Should iPads run macOS?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Some people would like to see macOS running on iPad. Others insist that iPad should remain a tablet-only computing experience. And there's plenty of others sat somewhere in between those two opinions. Let me share my thoughts...
...and whilst I'm at it, what's with all the noise about M4 having double the Neural Engine (NPU) performance of M3?
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I would like to be able to do web development on iPad. So I need more browsers with dev tools, ability to run containers, real file system and a terminal.
The problem is that apple should have enabled more app compatibility with iPad os
@@sumirat6888 it doesnt matter. app compatibilty with ipad os might not look exactly similar like mac os. just like final cut pro on an ipad, there are so many missing features compared to mac that professional dont even bother using the ipad.
@@shazmimain8293Agree 👍
WebBrowser limitation is the only limitation on the ipads because most websites aren’t optimized for tablet. If ipad could Brutforce desktop view on all sites it wouldn be perfect tablet. Puffin was Great but Apple tore into them like AMERCA did Huawei
You need a laptop then.
iPad needs a different os but based on Mac and not based on iPhone, file management couldn't be worst on iPad
Completely agree
As a new iOS user (I had an iPhone 3G way back) I find the file management to be ahead of Android and was quite surprised how easy it was to transfer files from a USB-C card reader directly to my NAS on an iPad Mini. Yes, a laptop would be better overall and it's frustrating when you realize how much friction we deal with trying to use the wrong tools for the job.
Honestly, a rethink of the iPad would be nice. A touch first Mac vs a large iPhone with some Mac features.
I’m a Computer Science Student and here’s my situation:
I use the iPad Pro to sketch and take lots of notes, and media consumption/entertainment.
Here are the Apps i use on MacBook: Visual Studio, GitHub Desktop, Unity Engine, Audacity, GIMP, Numbers, Wireshark, and Terminal.
I’m honestly exhausted from having to pay for and carry two devices (that have the same processor) for no reason.
How about Apple introduces a “MacPad”😅 that has a similar form factor to the Surface Book ?
But Apple would want to make more money by selling you a Macbook and an iPad as well. Why sell only 1 when you can sell 2 or 3?
@@JCTY299 why put music features in the iPhone then? They could have kept selling iPods AND iPhones.
Apple always touts the benefits of their devices, how they combine several disparate pieces of tech you may have otherwise had to carry, and now with their new device, you only carry one device that combines them all and is much smaller.
It'd be fantastic if when you plugged your ipad into a display, it just kicked into macos mode.
Bingo! That would do it. I have this neat iPad Pro dock/stand that lets me attach drives and TVs I use big screen Tvs now for all my monitors because I am too old to see the small stuff anymore.
@@poorfesorI’m with you Matthew. I suspect this is coming within the year.
@@jeremypb2008 Take my money.
Fantastic, but zero chance of that, that would kill sales on tons of Macs, BUT I can see them having MacOS pop up when you connect the iPad Pro M4 to the expensive keyboard, Plus they will only do this on the 13" M4 on the higher memory version. that would protect the lose of any normal iMac or MacBook sales, it would be over 2 grand and I think they would sell a ton, even at that price...I would. I have already been using iPad as my travel device, no MacBook for a few years.
@@TheFeedRocket I don’t believe it would.
In Apple world we have to endlessly argue philosophy. In PC world you could just dual boot and we’ll see for ourselves if we like it.
Apple gives you a choice. Wozniak, MacOS Jobs, iOS. (The reason that Steve and Woz split was over open (Woz), and secure (Jobs)). Apple is even willing to give up all the Windows and Android users in order to preserve my security. I have three Windows machines in the room with me. I used to use my iPad to access them. Not so much any more.
No, but iPadOS needs to be overhauled
Like you, I bought a M1 2TB 12.9-inch iPad Pro and have regreted that decision ever since. iPad OS works for my wife, but she doesn't need an iPad Pro to meet her computing needs, but iPad OS, or as I now call it iPoor OS and my iPad Pro doesn't work for me. My biggest problems with iPad OS are the walled garden of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps, the files app, and the awful web kit. If I am going to spend £3k on a M4 iPad Pro and accessories it needs to also be a laptop replacement and do everything my MacBook Pro can. It doesn't necessarily need to run Mac OS, but I want to have complete freedom of choice to sideload any apps I want, have the capability to format, repair and image external SSDs and memory cards, and run VMs (I was able to do the later in a limited way on M1 iPad Pro, but then Apple made sideloading UTM even more difficult when upgrading to iPad OS 17). Mac OS no longer works for me due to the lack of a touch display and stylus support. Consequently, I am moving away from purchasing any more Apple iPad Pros and MacBooks. I've spent the past year getting all my apps, web apps, virtual machines, games, retro game emulation, and developer tools I use to work of Windows 11 arm. I plan to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro 11 with Snapdragon X Elite processor, because that will better meet my needs, than the messy combination of iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro. My understanding is Apple has been struggling with iPad Pro sales, and it looks to me that the M4 iPad Pro will exacerbate the problem rather than improve it. I agree for some people iPad OS really works, but I suspect the M2 iPad Air has all the technical capability they need plus still has some to spare that cannot be fully utilised by iPad OS 17. But as it stands, iPad OS makes the M4 iPad Pro with all its amazing technology the most pointless product in Apple's product portfolio.
You are missing the point. Apple has said they are two seperate devices and it is you who are conflating the differences. Most people understand one is a tablet with a touch UI and the other (Macs) a desktop OS. Buy what suits you, or both, and if you have the disposable income get the Pro versions of each.
People complaining about tablets when it is not for them is crazy, like complaining about buying a sports care and then commenting on every review that it is not much good off-road!
Product differentaition rather than trying to make a compromised one-device-for-all is a sensible business model. Just ask MS how well turning Windows 7 into a hybrid tablet/desktop OS went (W8). That dumb move cost MS billions and meant they are a non-entity in the tablet market. It doesn’t work and people expecting Apple to repeat history is insane.
@@andyH_England The point is that the iPad Pro and iPad air run laptop equivalent hardware, but apple locks them down to run a smartphone OS on that laptop hardware.
Apple does this so you buy both an iPad and a Macbook.
The larger models could very easily be as used like a Microsoft Surface, ROG Flow, Lenovo IdeaPad, Minisform v3, etc... but then you wouldn't also buy a Macbook.
The large iPads are a strange one, you have a laptop sized device (with laptop hardware at a laptop price) that has the usefulness of a smartphone.
iPad Pro is a win for professional artists for sure but for everyone else with iPad OS honestly idk lol
Exactly, iPadOS "works for your wife." It was invented and built for her. Indeed, it is her only choice. For you there is MacOS, Windows, Linux and others. Do not spoil it for your wife or the rest of us. There was time when most users of computers had to know how to program. It passed. Get over it.
I always pitch in this suggestion: the iPad should keep iPadOS but be able to run macOS apps that have been approved and curated on the _Mac App Store._ That way devs can specifically allow it and ensure that they run sandboxed with whatever specific APIs the iPad uses. Apple can also warn prospective users that these apps are intended for use with a trackpad and keyboard. That way iPad users are even purchasing Apps that encourage them to upsell to a Mac in the future
I don’t want MacOS per se, just full pro apps with all the functionality that is on the Mac version. I can’t use Final Cut Pro on the iPad because there’s so many plugins I use on Mac that just aren’t available on iPad.
I don’t think most people want the OS, we want the features
Let's face it: the sole reason iPads with M series chips don't have macOS is because Apple is aware they would cannibalize MacBook sales. Apple wants you to own both, and of course, an iPhone too.
and also a Mac Mini and a Vision Pro as well
But spec for spec the iPads are more expensive. So they would make more money as a result.
If Apple used your logic they wouldn’t have released the iPhone as it cannibalised the iPod. But the iPhone was more expensive and they didn’t care if it would cannibalise it.
@@mynameisben123 Believe me I am with you. My back is hurting because I have to carry an iPad and a Macbook every day for work. I wish there was a convergence device. I used to own a Surface Pro 3 served its purpose but I still preferred the Mac. But it is not my logic....it is Apple's logic. And I am pissed because the Microsoft Office and Powerpoint and Excel for iPads are the extremely Lite version of the apps that are found on the Macs or PCs. So I cannot just rely on a single device iPad for my work....so I also need the Mac. I use my iPad for presentations and illustrations.
I'm developer and systems administrator, mostly using my iPad as portable workplace. BT mouse and kbd, USB-C PoE Ethernet, simple USB-C dongle with HDMI and USB-A for everything else. Various vendor apps for managing network infrastructure (love Ubiquity), common Hurricane Electric network tools, Prompt for SSH and RealVNC and Microsoft RD client for remote desktop.
I've started with iPad Pro 10" from 2017, and now I'm on iPad Pro 11" with M2. Generally speaking, I'm quite satisfied, how it's working now.
Just two top frustrations:
- F-keys and navigation keys in RD Client (mapping issues? don't know, have no time to dig) - nightmare avoided only because I work with *BSD and Ubuntu and can use vi-style navigation;
- Music app is always pauses when MS RD Client plays sound, e.g. notification from chat or beep from excessive tabbing or backspacing in shell.
I do not want macOS on iPad, I just want iPadOS behave more reasonable.
Funny thing that I didn't miss the ability to burn ISO image to USB drive.
And yes, I despise notebooks and laptops :)
Exactly, a Dex Mac OS version on the iPad would be more than enough for the user who’s focused on simplicity.
I felt as stage manager along with the files app are the first steps to that desired Dex version someday.
Dex MacOS would be a good experience.
More control of the files. Would make it easier to work with MacBooks/imacs
Have you noticed that one can access iCloud from either an iPad or a MAC? With DropBox one can even access it from an iPad, a Mac, or even, god forbid, Windows.
@@williamhughmurraycissp8405 I know, that an extra step and slows ones workflow down.
I really enjoy your commentaries. I recently purchased the base M3 Pro MBP 14, and I have an iPad mini 6 as a companion piece (strictly for content consumption). Since I need the full macOS it's the perfect combination for my use case. As you've pointed out, it all depends on your needs and desires.
My wife has an M1 Mac Mini and an M1 iPad Air. She should be able to choose to run macOS on her iPad when she travels. That choice is what we want.
But Apple would also want to make money by selling your wife a Macbook as well. Why sell only 2 when you can sell 3 or 4 or 5?
@@JCTY299Steve jobs said never fear cannibilising of your own products, or someone else will first.
Just run Mac mini at home 24/7, and use your iPad as remote desktop client - works for me.
@@Wanted797 Steve Jobs is long gone.
Hopefully the new Qualcomm Arm-based Windows machines, which start at 16GB RAM, will put pressure on Apple to do the same with their computers.
I agree with the sentiment that if you need a laptop get a laptop. I have both a Mac and iPad and am on the iPad 80% of the time. If budget is an issue you can now get an iPad for $350.
What do you feel about running a Cloud PC on an iPad? If Cloud PC then why not a Virtual PC on the iPad and if Virtual PC why not a full desktop-capable OS along with Touch-UI and other mobile-useful OS features?
It's a fallacy to say a laptop is different from a tablet, look at Surface products or the same argument about Desktops vs Laptops: Sure something is better in one vs the other eg cost vs hardware but then portability and preference is higher one than the other also. So it is with tablets with the hardware they now carry.
There are trade offs. I do have a 16” MBP and an OLED 13” iPad Pro, and often get forced into travelling with BOTH. I’d prefer the iPad Pro’s software to improve enough so I don’t need to haul the MBP around with me as well, and when I consider the fact that there’s an iMac at home, in an ideal world I simply wouldn’t want the MBP at all, but Apple’s compelling me to have it because the iPad’s software is just not good enough to handle basic things like a normal corporate workflow, thanks to awful multitasking.
The iPadOS is a great starting point as it deals with the tablet form factor well. It just needs to add more laptop capabilities. Enhancements that could improve iPadOS are:
1. Apple needs to enhance Stage Manager and maybe provide a third multi-tasking option that is more macOS-like. Having three options allows a user to have a multi-tasking experience to their likely.
2. File Manager Pro - Apple should address issues with the current File Manager and a Mac-like file manager for the Pro users.
3. Enhance USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 capabilities- enhance iPadOS to allow the iPad to better integrate with external devices through USB-C / Thunderbolt 3.
4. Have a Samsung DeX that provides a Mac-like experience.
5. Ability to run Parallels on iPad: this allows the user to run Mac or Windows from the iPad.
One problem with iPad is that many things are buggy or badly designed like the "files" app including the use of external storage. I hate the split screen and other design decisions
I would like to have the option to run Mac OS when hooked up Magic Keyboard.
Running native MacOS apps with a touchscreen interface module within the code when used on an iPad can't be an insurmountable modification for the code. Making better use of the M4 chips in the new iPad Pro's. Code development on an iPad Pro should be possible at this point in time. Make the hardware more useful.
I really wish iPad Pro will run macOS. If not, the hardware doesn't do anything. It has amazing hardware which does nothing.
I love using my iPad with my magic keyboard, it's such a great size and I love the 3:2 ratio screen, reminds me of the Powerbook G4 12". I just struggle with the browser, it's gotten better since they added default "use desktop version" of website. It still just doesn't feel like a full desktop-class browser, there are random bugs that come up that don't come up when I use my macbook pro.
I try not to use browsers. They are too complex, open, feature rich, porous, and unreliable. If you do not offer a purpose built application client, I prefer not to do business with you. I am an application only user and iOS is perfect for me.
@@williamhughmurraycissp8405 I guess that sort of makes sense. But I’m someone who constantly uses the browser for things where an application can’t be used so would really love a robust browser in iPadOS.
@@minecraftcart328I may disremember. After all, I am in my 90th year. However, I seem to remember that one can now choose one's default browser on the iPad. (I just Googled "default browser iPad.") In addition to Safari, I have Chrome, FireFox, DuckDuck, Brave, Edge, and Bing on my iPad. Surely one of these would meet your requirements.
Nice studio setup. Great Video.
Cheerio. Hi y'all at Geekery.
I'm not sure the only use case for running MacOS apps is to be able to tap into the power of the new iPads. For me I just want to be able to use my "full fat" MacOS apps on the iPad, however Apple decide to enable that.
If Apple does it the MacBook Air’s are done.
Why would anyone want to buy a MacBook then?
While I will admit that MacOS is safer than Windows, that is not exactly a high hurdle.
IMO, if Apple wants to put a desktop OS on the iPad, they're making a mistake. If I were them, I'd go the opposite direction as Microsoft. Add desktop features to iPad OS. I cite the Surface line for my reasons why. Microsoft tried to make Windows tablet friendly with Windows 8 and people revolted. Now Windows 10 and 11 have left the tablet experience to whither and die. It is extremely frustrating to use a Windows tablet without a mouse and keyboard.
The desktop mode must be gate kept to prevent the ecosystem from ignoring the tablet UI. It doesnt have to be particularly onerous, just enough to make it clear that it is a tablet that can do deskop stuff rather than a laptop that can do tablet stuff. Chrome OS has an option burried deep in the settings to enable full access to the Debian backend. Perhaps something similar and only on the pro models.
I have my 11 inch iPad Pro 2018 now for almost 5 years. I still use it daily for content use, administrative work (Excel, Word), web browsing, shopping etc. In fact it’s my most used Apple device. I own also a M1 MacMini which i generally use in case i need more screen surface. I think this iPad is the best machine Apple made. The newer ones up until now donot have a clear extra benefit for the workflow i have. The only things i really would like to have improved is a better file management system which sometimes feels clumsy and better window management.
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I have to say, i think that iPadOS could be improved to operate more like a MacBook when connected with a keyboard and mouse, however I also think there are some instances where things in macOS would not be great on an iPad. I can imagine the range of support for peripherals/drivers/less sandboxed experience could be a nightmare for Apple. It’s a really tough problem to solve.
The whole reason Apple moved to USB 25 years ago is because USB devices have standardized interfaces to specify if it’s a mouse, keyboard, disk drive, etc. without needing a special driver for every USB device. It just works.
@@SalivatingSteve There are generic devices like that, yes. But if you take iPad Pro with Thunderbolt for example, there are quite a few devices which do require driver installs. Audio Interfaces, Capture Cards for video etc. Thats more what I was referring to!
Im sure they can figure something out here. I mean hell, they just released a new Apple pencil that’s only compatible with the new iPad. I’m sure it means nothing to them to just write off all past USB devices that don’t automatically work and just expect you to replace them with versions made for iPad. They wouldn’t lose one wink of sleep for doing that.
You should be happy that it is improved with every release. In the early iterations users could not even see the file system. Now there are choices. Please do not ruin our one safe place in order to satisfy your greed. There are far more of us than of you but you have far more choices than we have. Please be satisfied. You can even buy Android tablets. No limitations, no restrictions. You may even be smart enough to control the risk. We need iOS.
@@williamhughmurraycissp8405 I am not saying I am unhappy with iPad OS. I enjoy using my iPad every day. That does not mean there is not room to evolve the OS. The balance is important though and I entirely agree, I dont want the iPad to become a MacBook. I am merely saying that I think there are alot of challenges that people overlook when they say ‘Why not just run macOS on iPad’.
I use an old pc for file management then go to my iPad to photo edit, it’s just more enjoyable than being sat in front of a computer which I did for many years.
At some point I’ll probably get a Mac mini unless mass file management becomes reliable on the iPad.
If I wanted to run MacOS in a portable device I would buy a MacBook. I have an iPad Pro with a Magic keyboard. I have owned a Surface Pro and hated the Windows tablet experience. An iPad running iPadOS gives me access to the full catalog of iPadOS and iOS apps including some apps I used for work such as MS Outlook, Teams and OneNote. For anything more demanding there is a Citrix app that gives me access to my Windows Desktop (with a 32 core AMD Threadripper). For me it’s the perfect travel device.
It's at least one way of making the iPad 2-in-1 using a remote desktop app. But you can see how stepping up options would help other people who want an iPad as their primary device now and not a laptop...
@@commentarytalk1446 Certainly iPadOS could be improved but I would still be using a remote desktop app with a MacBook and do with my desktop Mac. What I can't do with my Mac is access my work email or Teams messages without using Citrix. With an iPad (or iPhone) I can.
If dual boot with full functionality of both systems I would trade in my 15" MacBook Air. Nice video
100 percent, I loved my old iPad but until this happens I am not purchasing another iPad.
Awesome video no screen time stretching just genuine stuff 👌✨🙌
Personally I don't want to see MacOs on the iPad but having said that iPadOS absolutely needs a better and more reliable Files app (file management on an iPad is a chore and like you said sometimes unreliable), Background process that would allow to have more powerful and better apps... avoiding situations like completely “freezing" the iPad when it's exporting/rendering videos or audio projects, and even allow apps like a proper clipboard manager, multiple audio input/output, real desktop safari because some websites refuse or don’t work properly and improvements to Stage Manager, which is already an opt-in feature so limit those artificial constraints. But the most important thing is Apple not treating the iPad as a companion product just to sell it along a Mac, or at least not the pro models that can go up to 3000$, case point being the iPad event, the tagline at the end said filmed on iPhone edited on Mac AND iPad... it's like telling me that the iPad couldn't have handled the finished product, but it can...specially if they had given color correction to Final Cut Pro for iPad.
The OS is only thing holding me back from jumping to the M4 iPad Pro. I love the new screen, the new keyboard would be nice as the one from my M1 is wearing out, but all the extra power would be wasted on the cripple hammer that is iPadOS. It doesn't need to be MacOS but iPadOS needs to be much better.
@@Harvester88 I also think an improved ipadOS is the way to go. I used a surface pro tablet for two years and I learned that people underestimate how much it takes to make an Interface work for touch. It’s more than bigger UI elements! Its also gestures, smooth scrolling, instant touch feedback! Using Windows 10 and 11 via touch always felt restricted and frustrating. There is always something that was not optimized for touch. That’s why I think that people would also not be happy with macOS on a tablet even though it sounds like a good idea
@@SchaelpyIt's so simple: just keep the iPadOS interface and the macOS. By the way, Microsoft is doing well with the Surface. I don't see a reason to buy a MacBook-iPad combo if I can buy an OLED Surface Pro with 16 GB of RAM, a 1 TB SSD, and MacBook Pro performance for less money than a MacBook Air
@@SchaelpyI once tried a Surface Pro 5, sold it after a while because it was a bad laptop and an even worse tablet for my usage … sure had access to full fledged apps but frustrating to use, specially without keyboard/mouse
I think the answers is quite simple, at £2000, actually more, it needs to be more than a glorified consumption and drawing device. It can’t do simple things like file management, you try saving photographs or videos other than using Apple Photos whilst travelling, this is just one simple task that is causing uses massive pain. lastly, how does being able to use desktop apps destroy those that use it as a drawing and consumption device? I think, with snapdragon producing a relatively competitive alternative on windows more people like me will start looking at these devices and not renewing our iPad pros.
I'm a fan of the dual boot idea. But knowing apple probably won't do this, I definitely like your idea of a more robust file system and multi window support more like macos than stage manager. I love my new M4 13" so far!
I want full-featured Xcode and a terminal app with complete access to the file system and shells like bash or zsh.
I'd be really happy if the next set of entry-level Macs start with at least 10 or 12-GB of memory. I actually sent in a recommendation a few years ago saying that as long as the memory is part of the CPU, then they should do this. I sent that in whenever they created the CPU which had 24-GB memory instead of jumping to 32-GB as the capacity after 16-GB.
You hit the nail on the head when you talk about needing iPad to better manage files and multitasking. The iPad still kills apps in the background. And some apps simply don’t do multitasking (I’m looking at all of Google’s apps that will never let you open more than one instance in multitasking). What I’d just add to the files and multitasking wish list is further closing the capability gap between Mac and iPad apps - this isn’t all on Apple though (again, I’m looking at Google with poor iPad apps).
The point here is that tablets now come in pro models with pro software and workflow. This inevitably brings the need for a more agile file management like on MacOS.
Nowadays I don’t feel the need to buy an iPad. That said, I’d love to test the newest pro models with the newest pencil.
You make a valid point. Does the iPad loose its unique identity just to take in a few more users? Or do you add touch to Mac OS? As much as I’d like to see a duel hood tablet. In order not to canabilize an entire product line? You have to remember it’s all about sales.
Well, how about giving a full file manager in iOS for iPAD?
iPadOS should have a clamshell mode available. And not only with M1+ (stage manager feature). Connecting it to a monitor and charging would also be something more than welcome. With those two options i think could be used as a more powerful productivity tool.
People need to remember that base M chips (M1, M2 etc..) are originally iPad chips (X versions of the A chips). Apple just rebranded them. M1 is essentially A14X.
The big issue is the compatibility of apps, both for music and photo for which I heavily use a computer du to that there is apletora of plugins and programs that are not converted to the ipad world. Examples of this are for example the many VSTs I own and use for music making and production. On the science side of things the office package is standard and you lack the great tools for reference management and handling of scientific images and pictures. I use my ipad for keeping musicscores, enjoying films and social media. A place where I view stuff not create….
I don’t think you have to ditch iPad OS, just have an option to run a virtual machine Mac OS. You can charge monthly for it.
Given the power of current iPad devices, it should be perfectly possible for it to do both, and leave the option to the user
Great video. This was not a present both sides video, it was definitely a “why can’t they put MacOS on the iPad” video. This was an argument why the people who need MacOS can fit a tablet into their workflow, not why the people who need a tablet also need MacOS. I don’t think the Surface is as popular as the iPad, but I could be wrong. I’ve watched several creators who use the iPad professionally and not one has asked for MacOS. Some overlap exists, but they have different goals. They’ve asked for software improvements most definitely like drawing tablet and stylus functionality.
“Creators” are not the only users of iPad. Well, they’re not the Total Addressable Market. I’m a potential user, but won’t be an actual user until the iPad gets computer capability.
Edit: I have a Mac Pro, an iPhone, an Apple Watch, AirPods, and even an Apple TV, but no iPad. I would like one, but not an intentionally disabled one.
This is my experience, I am not saying one is better than the other for everyone. I chose to go with the iPad Pro and sell my MacBook Pro about 5 years ago. I’ve never looked back. For this list, I’m comparing the M4 iPad Pro 13 to the current MacBook Pro 14 M3 Pro:
Hardware:
1. Versatility - The ability to interact with the device in many ways. In “Laptop Mode” with the Magic Keyboard I can go from using my fingers, Pencil, trackpad/mouse, and keyboard all seamlessly. Or in “Clipboard Mode” with just the tablet and pencil/touch I can read, watch, draw/annotate, and show/demo something for someone. There are so many ways to hold/use the iPad vs the MacBook Pro.
2. Thinner and lighter, even with the Magic Keyboard . This is important to me as I’m constantly on the go.
3. I prefer FaceID over TouchID. For me it’s always worked more reliably and quickly.
4. OLED > Mini LED. Not a huge difference, but in the dark and in bright sunlight, the OLED sure is nice.
5. Camera on back for scanning documents, or snapping a quick environmental photo (can also do so more discreetly vs taking out your phone).
6. I’m not sure if this is true, but I’ve always felt like the iPad was a bit more durable than the MacBook.
Software:
1. Simplicity - I don’t need more complex desktop apps or deep menus. Yes, the MacBook Pro generally has more feature rich software and capabilities, but I have found that those are overkill for me. I am able to run my business using Zoom, iWork apps, and web-based software. For my hobbies, I use GarageBand, LumaFusion, Lightroom, etc. I am able to do everything on the iPad Pro. I could do everything on the MacBook Pro too, but with an inferior interactive experience IMO.
2. Apps like GarageBand, Lightroom, DJ, Notes, FreeForm, LumaFusion, etc. are more enjoyable with the touch interface and Pencil support. Other apps like News and Books are more enjoyable to read while holding the iPad in tablet mode vs the MacBook.
3. Apps open and close instantly. It’s lightning fast to swipe and switch apps. I love being able to drag an app from the dock to quickly enter split screen.
4. I like the ability to alternate between simple multi-tasking (split screen and slide over) and Stage Manager when using my external monitor.
5. Slide Over is very handy (I always have Calculator, Contacts, ChatGPT, Notes sitting in Slide Over). I use the calculator a lot for work, so it’s great to be able to swipe from the right and do a calculation and then swipe it away. It’s also quicker/easier to tap the numbers on the calculator (touchscreen) on the iPad.
6. There are some native apps that don’t exist for the Mac that I use (Arlo, Insta, CZcams, games, etc.)
7. The iPad and iPhone operate very much the same way and most of the apps are universal, so it’s easier to go back and forth between an iPhone and iPad than it is between an iPhone and a Mac IMO. GarageBand is a good example (you can pick up where you left off on the iPad and work on a song on the iPhone).
The big iPadOS issue for me is that some apps - like Apple’s own Photos app - are dumbed down on the iPad. Even on the Mac, Photos isn’t that “feature rich”, so why?
Just get opencore on a iPad Pro then we can decide. But they do have the chips we need, but not enough memory.
I really want to upgrade from my 2018 Pro to the new iPad, but I’m waiting for the WWDC event.
If they don’t introduce more features to make it a more fully fledged “computer”, there’s just no use to upgrade.
I WANT to be able to work on my iPad, but it’s too much of a hassle with the current OS.
This is also my issue, and I will wait for WWDC to see what apple bring, if it just another widget then Ill stick to my ipad mini for years to come
I have already upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro but I too look forward to WWDC and new capabilities. However, I continue to prefer and promote closed systems. Every Linux, Windows, Android, or even MacOS device connected to the Internet is part of the attack surface of the Internet. They make our infrastructure fragile and vulnerable. You may not be satisfied with iOS but it is not making the problem worse.
@@williamhughmurraycissp8405 The improvements people want, like a better more usable file browser, wouldn’t make iPad OS more vulnerable to attack.
Letting us install whatever apps we wish from outside the App Store will, but that’s already happening anyway thanks to consumer pressure and the resulting new EU regulations.
As long-in-the-tooth as it is (and as much as I am envious of my daughter's M1 iPad Pro) I love using my 2017 iPad Pro as an iPad and wouldn't want to change that experience.
Buuut... as iPad Pros become increasingly powerful on the hardware side and Macbook Pros become increasingly expensive, I do begin to want to be able to do everything - work and play - on the one device. To replace my M1 Max MBP with the exact equivalent M3 Max MBP, for eg, will cost $1050 more than I paid 2 years ago.
I think my relatively simple 4K editing workflow would work on an iPad Pro with 16GB Ram, though being able to do other tasks while rendering out from FCPX or Davinci, as well as better file management (reliability/integrity being paramount) would be necessary.
There are a couple of Mac apps that I use in my work that seem unlikely to get iPadOS versions or that have iPadOS versions which have been de-featured by their developers, unfortunately.
I'd personally be happy with a dual-booting or emulation solution, even if it was dependent upon connecting to a specific Apple keyboard.
I think you said it well when you said software is only half the equation. Nobody is complaining something like the IPad Pro isint powerful enough.
Why not run both, in dual boot? That was, before M1, a "normal" thing: Windows and MacOS via Bootcamp...
Why not enable that when attached to a licensed Keyboard?
To me it’s still apps. If I can install any MacOS app on ipad even in a containered environment that would make the deal for me. ipad has some pretty good third party file manager, which hasn’t been an issue for me.
I’d love to see a hybrid of the two. There’s more than enough power to run a full program instead of the nerfed version.
What can go wrong in putting a mouse-oriented desktop OS, designed for mouse and keyboard, with a design for mouse,
On a touch-first device? I can’t see any problem having to click small buttons with the tip of my finger on my screen, manage windows with my fingers all the time, having missing gestures etc!
MS tried that with W8 and now are the laughing stock of the tablet sector. If Windows cannot do it then Apple are unlikely to make a schoolboy error and copy them!
Why not say that about Voice-AI input also? It's absurd. It's a minor issue to resolve. The real issue is iOS file-manager is designed to distance the user from kernal space and also the background tasks management in it's original inception a a mobile-OS. Now the hardware is matching laptops as is the price so the real issue is an updated OS that resolves these issues. That will only happen when WOA/Snapdragon are in more competing 2-in-1 devices which forces Apple to provide a higher tier iPad category which looks like that's what they'll end up doing see the Magic Keyboard convergence for eg or Sonoma UI for eg... So still a 1-2 years away yet.
The Files app is such a weird, glaring, out of place blemish on IpadOS. It needs some serious love and debugging. Particularly the network file system support. It's a godsend but it's half-baked at this stage. Hoping it gets better with v18
If it would have a decent Figma version (with support for actual designing), I’d buy an M4 1tb version. But that’s not how it goes. 😢
As always a great video. I don’t understand why anyone would want to make the iPad a Mac when the Mac already exists, buy a MacBook. You don’t buy a cheese grater then say “You know what, I wish I could fry an egg on this”, you buy a frying pan! Okay, maybe I should have used frying pan and saucepan as example, they are similar things that do a different job and you buy the one you need. My wife got the 12.9” M2 to watch Netflix!
Can you link an Apple laptop with a modern complimentary input device, like a touch screen? That thing that is standard on like every $399 model these days?
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine what’s your point?
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine actually, your want a MacBook with touch! Different conversation.
Your wife could watch Netflix without any problems on a 5 years old iPad. I Want a 12.9'' M2 to do full photoshop using the pen on screen. I can't do that on MacBook. Batch process files from one folder to another etc... The iPad can be better than a Mac if it was the goal.
@@jensbronton it’s a different device. You want the Mac to do more, not the iPad to be a Mac.
Why would it need to ruin the experience of others?
I don’t think anyone, ever, who has proposed MacOS on iPad has implied it would straight up replace iPadOS. They all would be more than happy if it was locked behind a few hoops like, you must have the Magic Keyboard connected, and you must go into some obscure setting to enable it.
Yes it’s super irritating because they give me a professional audio app in LOGIC but I can’t use any of my PROFESSIONAL plug ins on macOS
That’s is the actual problem!
Pro photoshop user here for 25 years.
Can someone explain why iPad Photoshop is still so watered down.
At the MAX event in 2018, a year prior release, they showcased the app and said it was real photoshop and not a watered down version.Well a big lie.
Sadly, now 5 years latter, the app has gotten only few new features and is still a very watered down version. No Chanels, no Actions, no pen tools, no unsharp mask etc…
Since M1 there is no excuse anymore.
Regarding Apple, there is no doubt they will keep the business model of forcing you to have 2 devices as long as possible. So the eventuality to see an iPadOS Pro is very slim.
Releasing so powerful and pricy iPads just seem so ridiculous at the moment for most users.
WWDC will sadly I believe be focused on AI only.
This has been one of the most well-rounded and sensible videos I have seen on the subject of whether or not the iPad should have MacOS. I get most of my work done on a Mac even though I have a 12.9 inch M1 iPad Pro that I would love to be my everything computer and tablet. For my workflow, the problem is the file system. I know that at the end of the day the iPad is a tablet, but the file system is absolutely abysmal even by tablet standards. Apples insistence on doing things their way is what holds the iPad back. iOS and iPadOS have always had a terrible file system. A basic file system is not something that must be complicated. Android pulls it off on every single device.
I like the dual boot idea , after all , you can sort of run two operating systems on your iphone , being chrome or IOS , it would be nice to have an option on the ipad .
My first ever apple tablet was the ipad air 4 , which was not what i actually wanted , i wanted the pro big banger , but i had no experience with apple devices and did not know if they where any good or not , so rather than sacrificing an arm and a leg for the big pro ipad , i went with the 16 gig 256 mb ipad air 4 only sacrificing a leg :) .
And i still use the hell out of that little ipad and it has been a beauty .
I just use it for harry suburban stuff , emails , browsing the web , watching CZcamss , the very occasional tinkering with basic photo touch up , and it follows me around the house everywhere .
As far as the form goes , and features , i actually like the previous chunkier pro ipad models that also had the wide angle camera , why apple had to make the thing as thin as thin as an LP , i`ll never know .
Anyway , i still wouldnt mind the M4 13 incher , but im in no hurry to upgrade the air 4 at this moment while it still works like a beauty .
Thats my two bobs worth anyway .
We all use our tablets in different ways. I am a proponent of maximizing the iPad)S to take advantage of the M-chips. To me, therefore no need to port MacOS onto the iPad.
I think also that most other arguments are hung up on form factor arguments: laptop, 2-in-1 versus tablet, keyboard or touch screen. 5:14 i think the true multi-tasking is the reason. But what’s the difference between m chips on an ipad? Are its chip features turned off physically or just not available in Apple’s iPadOS plans?
Not for me. I tried using a foldable windows laptop, and the OS just didn’t work in tablet mode. I suspect it’s vice versa.
My disability makes using a touch screen iPad far more easier to use than a touchpad mouse on a MacBook. Having a version MacOS on iPad that was modified for touch screen inputs would be a godsend for me. It would be amazing to have access to full AAA titles like Baldur’s Gate 3 and not just the usual mobile games plagued by predatory pay to win features
At least their latest iPadOS Accessibility features will help with interaction but it still falls way short of MacOS desktop features that are really needed for productivity versatility on the iPad. For gaming you're probably better off with a cloud gaming solution as opposed to the App store eg Nvidea, Xbox, Cloud PC or your own solution or at home Steam streaming if you have a PC. Hope that helps.
By wait for WWDC I think some are saying don’t buy / upgrade until WWDC so we know how much of a desktop mode will be added in iPad OS 18
While I have already traded in my old iPad Pro on the new one, I look forward to WWDC and hope for one or more new capabilities. However, not to an open system, not to a system with local programming. I value the fact that nothing can be done from the iOS UI to compromise the application and system code on which I rely. While I avoid clicking on bait, I value the fact that should I do so, I will not likely corrupt my machine. My iPad cannot be easily turned against me or my neighbors. There are very few iPads in bot-nets. I appreciate the fact that there are few viruses in my walled garden.
Just add more functionality to ipadOS. Add a way to use macOS programs, such as sometype of translation software. But MacOS on the ipad would suck. The entire MacOS would need a hole revamp, larger icons, touch ect ect. So why not just add to ipadOS.
I am on my fourth iPad, second iPad pro. I bought many others for the children in my life. I bought the first iPhone and have lost track of how many I have had. Apple is continually adding function and eliminating limitations but only when it knows how to do it safely. iOS meets a market need. It is a powerful application machine, not a crippled Mac. Please be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
@williamhughmurraycissp8405 I agree, I do not want MacOS on the ipad at all. I just want to be able to use some MacOS software, such as Steam for Games, Unity and IDEs for some basic programming study.
Just give us a software button to switch between the two OSs. Also give them some shared storage, and shared clipboards. In other words, give us options.
I’m getting used to stage manager, but it’s no substitute for proper windowed apps. I absolutely agree - they need a mode like Samsung offers. But no to MacOS on an iPad - they’re two different devices.
I have used iPad now since the first iPad ever came out. iPad has replaced my computer for me, however, I don’t use it for work. I watch movies. I read my email, I write occasional letters, you know, just things. I use it for games and my knitting, but I don’t use it for work. It would be nice to have a little faster machine. My iPad Pro is now three years old? So, I’m not ready to upgrade yet. I just don’t want the iPad to be upgraded so much that it cost way too much even for a base model.now, I know this is a tech channel, and there’s mostly tech people here, but there are a lot of us out there who just want an iPad, just to do the plan things.
I’d like to be able to run TVpaint, Toonboom Harmony, Omnisphere on it.
Only Thing i miss on ipad is lightroom classic with icc Profiles and print Modul
I think ordinary users suffer most from the castrated MS Office.
Paying so much, and one still cannot even type normally on MS Word. Apple should somehow reach a consensus with MS to allow users to have reasonable experience of office work on Ipads. We are not all content creator and digital artists.
A correction. The Surface Pro does not sell very well. Microsoft loses money on them as well. The compromises Microsoft needed to incorporate is one of those reasons. As far as the iPad goes, I think a compromise may be successful if it’s done in a way that doesn’t cause problems for the majority who don’t want macOS on their iPads. Over time, when they first came out with iPadOS, they added features. They been improving that every year. But when I use a mobile computer I often want the keyboard. While I have the Magic Keyboard for my iPad Pro, I’d just rather use my Macbook Pro. And I’d rather use it at those times when I also want a bigger screen. I think this a difficult question. Anyone who says they have the solution is dreaming. There are a lot of apps that take advantage of the performance of the iPad Pro. If you use them. You’re fine. But if you don’t use those apps, then get the base iPad. As far as the TOPS scores go, Apple has stated what they’ve done and why. AI uses 8 bit TOPS, not 16 bits. AI is now all the rage. Apple has, as part of this, said that they’ve made significant improvements in 8 bit TOP performance over the previous chips and that accounts for the difference.
It can if you get a video capture card and a Mac mini 😅 I do wish it had Mac OS apps. I can’t restore my iPhone with my iPad or drag and drop files into google drive simple things to fix but probably will never happen.
I find the iPad for me is fantastic for web browsing, email, watching streaming video, viewing and to some extent editing photos, messaging with text and video calls, note taking, drawing, listening to music…. and using a multitude of other apps which are invaluable and much easier than going through a web site…..Where it is let down for me is doing any kind of local coding or web development. So does it need Mac OS…. Probably not if Apple allows programs full capability of the hardware so developers can then take advantage of its power…..
Local coding is specifically what I do not want it to do. I value the fact that nothing can be done from the UI to compromise the application and system code on which I rely. While I avoid clicking on bait, I value the fact that should I do so, I will not likely corrupt my machine. My iPad cannot be easily turned against me or my neighbors. There are very few iPads in bot-nets. I appreciate the fact that there are few viruses in my walled garden.
Why view it specifically a MacOS chip if the M chips themselves are crippled before they are put into iPads”?
Some of us work on our feet .. we don't like to run back to the computer to enter data and review things .. iPad just can't run programs unless there are apps and many programs don't have apps
Just like Mac used to have boot camp for those who wanted to run windows, iPad with a Mac chip (m1, m2, and now m4) and Thunderbolt/pcie, there should be an option to run macOS or macOS-lite. Free form window management. Much better file management with the ability to unmount media and format empty media, the macOS traffic lights, the macOS menu bar etc.
Give users the option to run the more advanced window manager if they so choose, just like boot camp gave Mac users the ability to run windows if they wanted to.
i think they should at least some special version of ipad should , what do people even use ipads for watching movie? it would be nice if i could code in that
ipados needs something like reverse catalyst, a way for mac app developers to rather easily bring over their apps to ipados the same way it's already been done the other way around
I understand that there is much 'content' to be filled on the internet. And that we all have opinions on stuff. What I don't understand, frankly, is how we (I include myself) can be or ought to be enthralled or bothered to have any discourse on running some version of an OS on some device - as a contentious issue.
I think it's time to concentrate on my work.
Thanks for your efforts though.
For me the issue is the existence of an “iPad Pro” yes it has better chip and screen than an air. For my workflow I can’t do anything with it. At that point what is the point of having and iPad Pro when you can buy a MacBook air for cheaper. If you want a tablet experience you can even en iPad Air which as a product makes more sense. But the issue is labeling the iPad “pro” when can’t perform the tasks than a regular MacBook does. I do think a better file management and super access to install software would make it work, you can also only enable those features in the presence of a keyboard. Or somehow enable a “pro” mode when connecting to accessories. That would make the air and pro different products.
The last thing I want to mention is that a “pro” product should last. Now iPad Pro m2 which cost me its good money Can’t even use the new accessories. For a machine so expensive I can’t justify the lack of compatibility. I don’t care about magnets, I want to have a product that lasts, especially if costs more than competing laptops.
The iPad is not for everyone. It is not and was never intended to be everything to everyone. However, just think of the tens of millions of people who enjoy computer applications that have never used a PC, LInux, Windows, a command line or have never seen a virus. To quote my colleague, Fred Cohen, "In a world of application only machines we could still enjoy most, BUT NOT ALL, of the advantages of the general purpose computer."
I'm pretty sure that the only reason we don't get MacOS is that Apple makes so much more money with the closed AppStore on iPad OS.
The iPad Pro getting the M4 kinda reminds me of the RiscPC getting the StrongARM…Heck, that dates me 😂
Let us choose to make it switch to macOS when I dock it to my keyboard. Until then, there is no reason to upgrade my 12X iPad Pro. Easy as that.
I think the biggest clue that something is about to happen is on the new Magic Keyboard. The ‘ESC’ key. What’s that for on an iPad? I THINK we’re about to see iPadOS on Pro devices take on a lot more desktop personality when docked. It’s 50% there already. Dave mentioned the Surface Pros, a desktop personality of iPadOS would take the fight to Microsoft. Speculation is a wonderful thing isn’t it 😅
I am a storyboard artist and have worked almost entirely on an iPad Pro for half a decade now. My biggest problem with using the iPad Pro exclusively is that it just doesn’t have ALL the software I need. For instance, last year I did art for a game show. I literally had to set up an old desktop just to run the one niche program they used to handle their file transfers and storage. That’s just one of thousands of applications that are so specialized they just don’t have financial incentive to make tablet versions. So until I can run ALL the software on an iPad I still have to have a computer around for the rare case when I need to use it.
I Agree. Can you explain why Adobe software as Photoshop is still so watered down after 5 years of release and iPads now running full speed.
Man, why are you so obsessed with working on an iPad? Just buy a Surface Pro with Snapdragon X Elite, and your problem will be solved.
@@EibrahamCxYeah, I wish that was viable but The Surface pen is just lacking as an art tool. I wish it wasn’t. I have purchased 3 different Surfaces over the years, whenever they’ve upgraded the pen in hopes they would finally make it usable for art. It has gotten better but from my perspective it has never been competitive with a Wacom pro pen or an Apple Pencil. And while I applaud Windows approach to a hybrid desktop/tablet OS in theory, it really doesn’t work that well in either configuration.
Apple can address this issue without disrupting iPadOS or compromising the consumer experience. However, they don't do so to avoid cannibalizing MacBook Air sales. The solution is straightforward: introduce a native virtual machine application capable of running macOS, installed directly from the Apple Store, with drivers specifically designed for the iPad Pro with a 13-inch display. This approach would address all security concerns by isolating the macOS VM from iPadOS. While Apple might argue that this would degrade battery life, such concerns can be managed with optimization and user awareness. I want to see anyone explain why this solution shouldn't work, considering the amount of power the iPad Pro has.
All I know is if they allow MacOS on just the new 13" iPad Pro M4 plus only if you attach the new keyboard, and also buy the upgraded storage with high memory so like over 2 grand, then Apple makes $$$. if it's the only M4 at WWDC and they do this? take my money!
How else do they proceed with WWDC without a M4 Mac???????? Have to have at least one Mac with an M4 if the new chip is important to the new AI initiative, we hear the M4 is key to this, so something has to give, and give in 3 weeks! Come on Apple, no M4 Mac at WWDC is a fail in the face of Microsofts announcements.
they just need to continuously improve IPadOS. They've come along way, but there are a few glaring improvements needed to make IPads a true laptop replacement device.
iPadOS will lead to a dead-end for the top line of iPads. Apple will have to release a new OS combining ideas from mobile and desktop OS, so we'll see that happen eventually. Meanwhile Apple will minor update iPadOS while tablets are still selling which will tail off with Windows 2-in-1 with ARM chips.
Should iPad Pro have the ability to run macOS in dual boot mode? Yes, absolutely.
Modular computing. It's a tablet when you want it to be. When paired with a keyboard and pointing device it can be used in Mac mode if the owner so desires. Simple solution that Apple has already employed to great effect when they shipped BootCamp on Intel Macs. Not hard, and a massive win - win for users.
I'm not sure why this is even being debated at this point.
Exactly like it’s such a simple answer for such a over complicated problem
I am sure once Android tablet makers allow dual boot of Windows on Android tablets then Apple will rethink…though probably wait for Android/Windows to crash and burn and then say no. You cannot expect Apple to do this when you do not ask rivals to do the same. Then you must ask the salient question: why do neither do it? Because it is a zero-sum game and for the billions needed to make it work, the tiny niche market that wants it, will mean throwing money down a money pit.
FYI MS tried Android subsystem on Windows and that was a busted flush and have now been put in the trash. Not quite dual boot but this and the failure of Windows Tablets is a warning to anyone trying this that it could enot only end in failure but destroy your business.
iPadOS needs to add proper window management, real multitasking, real file management, and developer tools including a terminal, programming languages, and the ability to run arbitrary programs. And by that point, it may be easier to add touch support to MacOS and put it there instead.
I will get the new M4 iPad when it becomes more like MacOS; a lot more (at least as an option you can switch on). Couldn't agree with you more about not buying based on potential improvements in the future that may never come. For the price they charge, iPads should be able to do more at the software level.
would you still be interested if its limited to the 1tb and up iPads? so expect around $4,000ish.
You can get a Microsoft Surface Pro with Snapdragon X Elite. It's basically an iPad with Windows.
@@EibrahamCxThe Surface Pro is Microsoft with shoddy software, and "patch Tuesday." I hope that it is a solution for you.
@@williamhughmurraycissp8405 It's the same software as on a MacBook. Windows offers more compatibility, more freedom, and fewer restrictions. macOS has bugs and problems too; no system is immune. But you can keep waiting for the "future" for another two years until Apple brings you macOS on iPad. And of course, you'll have to pay the full price because older iPads probably won't be compatible.
To be honest, I will switch to the new Surface Pro 10 with Snapdragon, because the iPad will still be limited to iPadOS