Pls pls pls do arc analysis more . Or maybe like take one topic out of the arc and expand upon it . Like hype for mafineford and sacrifice for ennies lobby or clash of ideology for water 7 or something whatever you think is the best
Whenever I think Marineford I think Impel Down. Impel Down is honestly one of the most underrated arcs in the Manga. A masterful fast-paced build up that keeps you hooked from beginning to end just to pay off at Marineford. Impel Down is to Marineford what Water Seven is to Enies Lobby
THIS! Marineford is masterful, but the leadup in Impel Down might be my favorite arc in the series. So many amazing moments that act as a preparation for what's to come, but would be the high point of any other series.
@@MatheusSM1000 So many great moments! Mainly the fact that Luffy has a different 'crew' that helps him achieve his goal. Many memorable moments like Luffy's encounter with Blackbeard, Bon-chan's sacrifice, Magellan's character, and the great escape from the prison. It is definitely an underrated arc, Magellan was a great antagonist.
I feel that "hype" is an often overlooked/unappreciated part of storytelling. There is a narrative importance in hype (as well as vibe for that matter) that I think sets the tone in a series that makes it stand out
Hype can be as much of a problem as it is a help. Too much hype can cause expectations beyond what the author may in fact be able to deliver. Too much hype can also cause fans to make assumptions about what the author will do that the author may not necessarily promise. In Whole Cake arc, fans saw the "year of Sanji" as a sign that he would fight, abandon his principles, and a bunch of other things. Having seen such things in the past prove a disappointment, I just assumed it meant that he would play an important part in the events and he certainly did that. Regarding Naruto, I love that anime because it helped me at a time that i needed it most. That being said, I will agree that what the author did with Madara and Kaguya was a mistake. I wouldn't have minded so much if he had allowed Madara to use the full extent of his powers and abilities and then introduced her, but I also wouldn't have minded if she hadn't appeared here at all. To quote a game over in a game I have played "that's it? All that buildup and he just falls over like he's made of sticks". That was a really big mistake, if he was going to build something up for that long then the least he could do is make Madara worth the wait. Thankfully we got the final battle of Naruto vs Sasuke which I had been waiting for so at least that expectation was met. Please keep in mind these are merely my personal opinions, I mean no offense to anyone here.
@Jordan Vance If Whitebeard never went to Marineford, and Sengoku didn't try to execute Ace, none of them would have played into Blackbeard's hands. But who was Blackbeard to them? Some upstart traitor with no name. The Marines lost more than they gained from Ace's execution. They lost a Fleet Admiral after Kong's response to the Level 6 Breakout, Garp resigned, Aokiji resigned after Sakazuki won, they lost two of the Shichibukai (Jinbe and Gecko Moria), and they lost the balance they worked hard to maintain. Now instead of having to deal with Whitebeard, who was easier to deal with, they have to deal with Blackbeard, who is more ambitious and more violent compared to the old captain.
@@troillandford7679 The Cold War - between America and Soviet Russia. China entered the world stage shortly after, the new flag bearer for Communism. In fact, they were involved in the Korean War, they were backing the Northerners. In the process, they hurt the Americans' reputation by smearing them with propaganda with videos starring captive American soldiers. And Soviet Russia, being unable to support themselves because of trade embargoes, dissolved. And now, the second greatest power in the world is China.
People always say that the reason One Piece sells so well is because of the number of chapters it has, but marineford's record shattering sales showed that it's not all about volume
@@bing4131 They are definitely going to try and attempt another boom like this. I would question their sanity if they didn't have One Piece Film: Unlimited Budget Works coming out at the same time as the end of the manga
And I say the reason One Piece continues to keep all of its hard earned fans is the awesome OP community, from dedicated artists like revuju, to theorists and anitubers, even fan events like the annual reverie and the unofficial official encyclopedia, Artur from Library of Ohara. The moment this series ends will be the day i stop reading manga, thanks eveyone and thanks Oda!
I really love how the consequences that marine Ford has on the one piece world can be felt to this day. The world government had to change and adapt, the black beard pirates were formed and are growing in power, the white beard pirates have been weakened and their territories have been taken over or have to seek protection from someone else etc
One of my favorite things about this arc is how stressed out Sengoku was in the lead up to the war. Usually, for an authority figure, a fight is portrayed as a break from their vital but tedious everyday job stress. For eg. Naruto, once he becomes Hokage, the daily acts of the job are his stress, and fights are a welcome break from that. But for Sengoku, this coming war itself is the stress! From Blackbeard being found at Impel Down to losing contact with his ships that are tracing Whitebeard, everything about it was just stressful for him. Props to Oda for doing that.
Calm down sir, this is just an aftershock of the hype trauma inflicted by Oda to remind you that he is the best world-building mangaka. We will get through this together.
This arc actually made lot of things clear for me. I was confused about how Powerfull Navy , Yonkos and 7WLs were. It kind of established a power system for me. It was like Saving Rukya arc of bleach .
@Just Another Broke Communist I think he would have taken on Blackbeard if there was No navy . He acted all cool and chill to stop the war 😂 , but it would have been hard for him to take on all of them at once.
Don’t forget, I think the personal weight of this war, Ace’s life, also played some roll. Ace was a favorite character, brother to the main character, someone we only so far got a small glimpse of. I don’t really know about anybody else but In the back of my mind, Luffy was going to save Ace. The more the story progressed though, the more unsure if this fact I was. The moment Luffy does save though is such an amazing and memorable moment and made me feel just so much joy. For sure this whole arc was building towards this and everyone is going to safely retreat and the war would be considered a win for the pirates. THEN, Ace turns back, he saves Luffy, he dies. This whole arc, everything Luffy did to save Ace, every sacrifice made to save Ace and Ace is gone. Died in Luffy’s arms. The whole build up from the moment Ace is captured to the War, it all came crashing down on me as a reader. It was crazy. I was destroyed. For me the pain was not over, when we get Luffy and Ace’s backstory afterwards, it really does kill me a little inside. I feel like if it was a different writer, they would have put Ace’s backstory sometime before the the war, before his death, to make us love him more and see how much he means to Luffy. But no, he puts the backstory after Ace’s death with us knowing he’s gone now. Okay I’m sad and depressed now. Sorry this was so long if you made it to the end.
@@anthonyzivalich4962 And seeing Ace's existential crisis come into full flow, he was questioning himself on whether he deserved to even live because of the sins of his father.
Oda made a great decision to not include Ace's backstory before Marineford. I had pretty much 0 reason to believe he will die and if Oda showed his backstory to make us sympathise with him more, I might have been sadder when Ace died but less shocked. But by delaying the backstory and playing with the readers expectations, he made the experience much better. When Luffy uncuffed Ace, there was not a single part of me that even considered the fact that Ace would die. But then, it suddenly happened and I was absolutely baffled to the core. It was so surprising that even after I saw Akainu burning a huge hole through Ace, I refused to believe he would die but alas in the next chapter he died, and Luffy, the character filled to the brim with hope and never ending belief in himself, broke. Then when I saw Luffy in Amazon Lily, for the first time in more than 500 chapters, doubting himself by saying he can't become the pirate king, the emotions started coming up as I remembered the very same Luffy in the past, several times boldly state that he is the man who will become pirate king without a shimmer of a doubt. Then I saw Ace's backstory ending with Sabo's death and Ace saying he won't die. That was the emotional pay off for me.
I literally cannot wrap my head around the fact that Oda went there on accident and then nailed it so hard that One Piece just completely rushed past all these other Mangas. Something like Marineford must be the absolute hardest thing to get right as a storyteller. What a legend.
I was reading week-to-week when Marineford was being published and man...the excitement was off the charts with every early chapter. The Ace is Roger's son reveal, the reveal of Akainu's power, the reveal of Whitebeard's power and overwhelming strength...it was all so amazing.
One thing that I'd have liked is the death toll at the end. How many pirates perished? How many marines? How many did Whitebeard led to their graves alongside him? Plus, more minor deaths, one or two vice admirals would've been great. PS: Oars Jr. is dead to me until proven otherwise.
@Ridwon Ahmad probably not in the great scheme of things, but it would've been cool nonetheless to know how many did Whitebeard killed all by his own and how many men the marines lost as a result of a war against, as you said, a single yonkou. And yeah, the admirals are fine, I'm talking about vice-admirals and other ranks.
@Ridwon Ahmad The world gvt. isn't that much stronger than an Emperor. If 2 of them ever got together and agreed on a way to split the world into 2, the gvt. wouldn't stand a chance. Of course, there is the 'new weapons that will make the Warlords useless' but we don't know how effective those would be against the true powerhouses of the world. I mean, I doubt anything man made could do any sort of damage whatsoever to Big Mom, Kaido or even Shanks, hell even Luffy is probably past that point by now, soo... You gotta remember, an Emperor isn't going to go to war just by himself. He'll have allies, subordinates, even entire kingdoms backing him up. One of the reason Whitebeard lost so badly was that he couldn't and probably wouldn't bring all of his allies to help him. Can you imagine how many islands/kingdoms he had under his flag-protection. Probably dozens. If even a few of them had a few powerful characters each and thousands strong armies, you can only imagine how much destruction he could cause if he was the one who planned the war and not his enemies. Also, he couldn't even use the full might of his devil fruits because he would just end up killing his own men. A devil fruit that can destroy the world only created like 2 big waves the entire war. Meh...
@@scandalfop2093 the last point regarding Whitebeard is often overlooked. He was severely handicapped (alongside his health problems) and everytime he had to use it his own allies had to stop fighting and stay away from him. Yes, Kaido, Big Mom and Shanks are undoubtly powerful but I've yet to see them fighting and pushing after taking all that damage while being that old and sick.
Can remember reading Marineford week to week years back and I have to say you last point was spot on. Luffy is known for always being able to get back up, bounce back and do the job he set out to do. The lead up to Marineford was showing that it was getting progressively harder to do that, so when Ace finally dies we see, that Luffy's story is different from what we thought. He was out of his depth, he lost utterly & completely and this was the first time he had to face that. (P.s Zoro had a similar revelation upon being struck down by Mihawk) Because he just couldn't do it.
I once read someone saying that, unlike other protagonists, Luffy really lost faith in himself and that what made post-marineford so heartbreaking was to see this usually goofy, optimistic and joyful character completely broken by grief and self-contempt. Yes, Naruto went through his own process when Jiraiya died but Luffy had it harder imo, starting for the fact that he saw it all.
@@soulscribe_h totally get what you mean, I mean Naruto if anything had a lack of faith in himself and was a real underdog. First episode he's king of Ls Whereas luffy has always shown to be taking Ws left right and centre, Luffy while he does have the will power is also extremely lucky.
Interesting comparison. I daresay the comments here are one of the few times I have seen a civil comparison between the two anime. I like both of them so this is a pleasant surprise.
I hate and love at the same time how he basically became that little kid that was lonely and lost without his old brothers in the entire arc... It pained me so much. But it also made me love him *even more* ... The pain, the empathy for him, the wish to help him and the BEAUTIFUL bond of his crew when they were all determined to help him once more, as if they were us, the readers, as if they /knew/ as much as we did.... OMGOSH, definitely best moment for me after that whole awesome arc... couldn't ask for more.
Sometimes I wonder if Oda watches all these analysis videos and thinks to himself that I didn't even actually think this way 😂 just like how the prisoners used to think about Buggy
@@MrMorj It would be interesting to hear your take on the power-ups of that arc as well, I've seen and heard various new readers say that it was forced or an "ass-pulled" and that the straw hats shouldn't have escaped from the Buster Call.
@Andrew Dziminowicz Yes, some seem to be driven by a kind of need to dump on something that is popular just so they can get to say: "this shit is overrated, I don't get the hype". I don't even bother to argue at this point.
Just recently finishing up Alabasta again, I would argue that Crocodile is the first hints that Luffy was going to eventually be very outside his depth. His defeat of Crocoboy is framed as a triumphant fluke. Then Luffy is Enel's weakness. Lucci is a pure brawl that pushes Luffy in much the same way as Arlong but at the next level. Moria takes the whole team, the second hint at Luffy actually being a small fry. Then the events of SA through Marineford.
Some argue that Crocodile was put too early in the story, and while I tend to agree with it, Morj makes me think that it was also in Oda's plans in the long run. Crocodile pretty much killed Luffy twice and only lost because of his massive ego and arrogance. Same with Enel + Luffy being his natural counter
@Jordan Vance true. One thing that the Blackbeard vs Ace fight showed us (and not for the first time) is how confident a logia user can get after years of not having to experience how does it feel to take serious damage with a normal body, and guys like Crocodile and Enel suffered from the same mistake. I like how Whitebeard, although he wasn't a logia, gave 0 fucks when Blackbeard cancelled his fruit and immediately owned him with his bisento.
Yo I was watching the anime yesterday just to go back I still cried lol especially when Lufy asked Jimbe if Ace is really dead and that it's not a dream, that part was Amazing coz that's how I felt when my childhood friend died I could relate to it that's the best thing I ever seen in Shonen ever .
Excellent analysis. Hype is the perfect word for it. One Piece's greatest strength has been it's commitment to long term storytelling and Marineford was decades of set up finally paying off. All while the story tells you that this grandest moment is only the half way point. Hype.
@@Rob-hm4jx For sure, those scenes are over the top! What i'm getting at is that the other pieces are just lackluster. You really see where they budget went and where it got taken away.
I love these videos of yours. These analysis videos breaking down thematic elements and storytelling. This is what you do best and it’s a great thing to watch
About 2 months ago i decided to read One Piece and as always I had been binge reading it for weeks, then came the end of Sabaody and I really felt that intensity and hype all around MF arc. I was reading at the time 20 chapters at most in one day but when I began reading Impel Down i couldn't stop i just wanted to see and know more and more about what was about to happen and this is what really makes this arc beautiful in my opinion. When I was done (chapter 580) it was 5:30 am in the morning. And i found that i almost read 100 chapter that day! Damn. My first thought was "This, is how you write a war. You should have learnt Kishimoto!"
Awesome thanks for the Analysis. Very grateful for the time and detail you put into every video, but especially the analysis vids. You always find a way to allow me to appreciate One Piece arcs more.
what good story telling is all about, is learning. the reason enies lobby and marineford are so insanely good is we got to learn firsthand, what the potential of the world of one piece is like, in enies lobby luffy had to evolve physically to stand a chance to beat the world as we saw it then, and in marineford we just saw how far ahead the world was still, how many secrets and powerful characters there are still that luffy cant even begin to beat yet, and the journey on is the strawhats discovering those secrets and evolving again to beat the insane challenges, and we as readers are learning all that, we are really addicted at learning more about the world of one piece, thats all that matters and the reason why one piece is so successful if learning at school was half as good and entertaining as learning in one piece is, we would all be astronauts wouldnt we but i think slowly we are going to get there, already theres research in gamification of learning
What I love most about Marineford are Ace’s last words and Whitebeard telling to the whole world that the One Piece does exist 😭😭. Edit: Sabaody Archipelago is where Luffy realized he’s not strong enough to protect his crew, hence be a true leader in his eyes, along with the whole crew feeling useless to their captain. So, many reasons why I love Sabaody, but the decision each individual takes after the split is just amazing, all for their captain who they know can be clumsy and goofy, but yet strong and reliable as a pirate. The man who once saved them and now the man they chose to follow as the future Pirate King.
A friend of mine, new to the story, was complaining about the "lack of consequences" to the Straw Hats after everything they had done before Sabaody and in retrospective, with this video, I'm sure that that was Oda's intent, to make us think that Luffy would somehow win and get away with his actions again just because he's the protagonist. Starting with Sabaody (not counting Amazon Lily), Luffy took nothing but L's and/or had to run most of the time, from Kizaru and Kuma till in the war itself.
4:49 If Seven Warlords were just a passing thought and I've heard that Oda came up with Supernovas in a similar way, it's amazing how flawlessly he was able to add them to the existing StrawHats vs Yonkou story in his mind. He truly is GOda.
This video is work of art. MF is my favorite arc and this video was perfect and brilliant for me. You are the best OP reviews channel in YT imo Keep doing this stuff 👌
Marineford was a defining moment of my life, and I still feel that I have so much to think about it yet. It's where you find out that determination, alone, does not mean strength. And we see consequences for the actions of everybody - the admirals, white beard, black beard, ace, luffy, jimbe, law, shanks. It's about turning the world upside down, the characters personal world and the whole one.
@17:56 I really liked this part of the video. I've been theorizing that Luffy's Awakening will involve Luffy becoming an actual Giant to defeat Kaidou because as I say in my analysis: Luffy is the Thematic Giant of the Story. You've just validated my thoughts here. lol.
Damn, that fresh new setup is lit Mr. Morj. On a related note. The crescendo of emotion as the chapter progressed made me want to stand there and fight along with the scabbards. 5/5 would say I'd fight even if it costs me my life
I've been going through all of your videos in the last week and I have decided to stick to your channel for any One Piece related content on YT. I don't dislike the others but I only have so much time and your videos are definitely worth it. The level of insight and structure in your arguments and examples are unparalleled. I'd rather listen to you break down the deeper meanings and themes of OP and analyzing the hell out of it rather than listening to people simply telling me what happened and their biased views of what they expect to happen. I didn't think it was possible to appreciate the beauty of One Piece More than I already did, but you made it happen man. you deserve at least 10 times the subscribers you have. At least.
It's funny how every video you upload ends up with a lot more views than the actual subs of your channel while for most CZcamsrs it's the inverse situation. That shows how great you and your content are and the impact you're having on this community, though more people should subscribe
"He didn't even get serious until Arlong" Don't gloss over Don Krieg man, he legit pushed Luffy to his LIMIT. Arlong didn't push him that far, only Krieg did, before they hit the Grand Line. Though you could also argue that Kuro pushed him as far if not further than Arlong considering all the cuts and bleeding. He doesn't SHOW a lot of his pain when he's serious so it really might just be me reading into it, but Krieg 100% pushed him harder than Arlong.
Thanks for an awesome analysis of an awesome war! It really puts into perspective the vast depth of Oda's story and insane hype gradually built up, all for a massive impact on the story, characters, and us, until now. Title's spot on :))
You found your new gig! This breakdown had me enthralled and my ears perked while simultaneously playing FF14. I see you being the next Mother's Basement or Super Eyepatch Wolf. Great video and analysis. I can't wait to hear your view on other arcs and series.
I remember back in the day, people thought Luffy would defeat Boa on Amazon Lily. Now we know Boa could actually no-diff Luffy back then, if they actually fought. 🤣
More Marineford Analysis will be coming down the line, splitting this across multiple videos!
Pls pls pls do arc analysis more . Or maybe like take one topic out of the arc and expand upon it . Like hype for mafineford and sacrifice for ennies lobby or clash of ideology for water 7 or something whatever you think is the best
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Thank you for doing this. I really want to know how haki was used in this.
AND YES ONCE AGAIN. I AM BAWING FROM YOUR VIDEOS. ONE PIECE IS THE BEST
You have by far the best One Piece analysis!!! Thank you!
Whenever I think Marineford I think Impel Down. Impel Down is honestly one of the most underrated arcs in the Manga. A masterful fast-paced build up that keeps you hooked from beginning to end just to pay off at Marineford. Impel Down is to Marineford what Water Seven is to Enies Lobby
Especially when you go back and read it from beginning to end and not week to week.
I can’t reread Marineford without reading impel down first. I still get emotional about Bonchan’s sacrifice.
THIS! Marineford is masterful, but the leadup in Impel Down might be my favorite arc in the series. So many amazing moments that act as a preparation for what's to come, but would be the high point of any other series.
Sabbody was kinda better than impel down.
@@MatheusSM1000 So many great moments! Mainly the fact that Luffy has a different 'crew' that helps him achieve his goal. Many memorable moments like Luffy's encounter with Blackbeard, Bon-chan's sacrifice, Magellan's character, and the great escape from the prison. It is definitely an underrated arc, Magellan was a great antagonist.
Shoutout to my man "I think the fire festival is going to fail". The hustler who became a patron just so we could hear Morj say the line again!
LMAO!
Yeah!
HAHHAHAHAHAH what a legend
21:04, for those interested
I feel that "hype" is an often overlooked/unappreciated part of storytelling. There is a narrative importance in hype (as well as vibe for that matter) that I think sets the tone in a series that makes it stand out
that the Wano still didnt deliver.... or they?
Hype is a big factor deciding in how satisfactory the pay off was.
Hype can be as much of a problem as it is a help. Too much hype can cause expectations beyond what the author may in fact be able to deliver. Too much hype can also cause fans to make assumptions about what the author will do that the author may not necessarily promise. In Whole Cake arc, fans saw the "year of Sanji" as a sign that he would fight, abandon his principles, and a bunch of other things. Having seen such things in the past prove a disappointment, I just assumed it meant that he would play an important part in the events and he certainly did that. Regarding Naruto, I love that anime because it helped me at a time that i needed it most. That being said, I will agree that what the author did with Madara and Kaguya was a mistake. I wouldn't have minded so much if he had allowed Madara to use the full extent of his powers and abilities and then introduced her, but I also wouldn't have minded if she hadn't appeared here at all. To quote a game over in a game I have played "that's it? All that buildup and he just falls over like he's made of sticks". That was a really big mistake, if he was going to build something up for that long then the least he could do is make Madara worth the wait. Thankfully we got the final battle of Naruto vs Sasuke which I had been waiting for so at least that expectation was met. Please keep in mind these are merely my personal opinions, I mean no offense to anyone here.
I also love the Fact that Luffy needed so much help to come closer to Ace at Marineford
Yes, his allies were way stronger than him at this time (jinbe, ivankov, hancock, whitebeard's pirates, whitebeard...)
9:15 Blackbeard did drop in on Amazon Lilly and it’s insane lol
oh my gosh, Morj actually made an accurate theory
9:14 casual Morj foresight moment
I need to go grab myself a brownie, can't enter this video in a hypoglycemic state
Natural Hypertrophy I needed a big donut for this epic video
How about some red glazed donuts?
Lmao
My favorite desert are brownies too or Mochi
I need one too I can't enter this video in a sober state
*Sun Tzu has entered the chat*
Nice reference lol
Morj is sun tzu
''Laughs in art of war'' -Sun Tzu
@Just Another Broke Communist ''no'' -Sun Tzu
9:15.... Can Morj see the future 👀
When Whitebeard and Sengoku fought, only one winner emerged. And that winner is Teach.
@Jordan Vance If Whitebeard never went to Marineford, and Sengoku didn't try to execute Ace, none of them would have played into Blackbeard's hands. But who was Blackbeard to them? Some upstart traitor with no name. The Marines lost more than they gained from Ace's execution. They lost a Fleet Admiral after Kong's response to the Level 6 Breakout, Garp resigned, Aokiji resigned after Sakazuki won, they lost two of the Shichibukai (Jinbe and Gecko Moria), and they lost the balance they worked hard to maintain. Now instead of having to deal with Whitebeard, who was easier to deal with, they have to deal with Blackbeard, who is more ambitious and more violent compared to the old captain.
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any historians out there who know of real world events where a 3rd party ended up being better off than the main opposing forces?
@@troillandford7679 The Cold War - between America and Soviet Russia. China entered the world stage shortly after, the new flag bearer for Communism. In fact, they were involved in the Korean War, they were backing the Northerners. In the process, they hurt the Americans' reputation by smearing them with propaganda with videos starring captive American soldiers. And Soviet Russia, being unable to support themselves because of trade embargoes, dissolved. And now, the second greatest power in the world is China.
9:15 Morj got that next level observation Haki I see.
People always say that the reason One Piece sells so well is because of the number of chapters it has, but marineford's record shattering sales showed that it's not all about volume
@Jordan Vance I got the feeling, the same will happen again when One Piece will enter his end phase.
@@bing4131 They are definitely going to try and attempt another boom like this. I would question their sanity if they didn't have One Piece Film: Unlimited Budget Works coming out at the same time as the end of the manga
And I say the reason One Piece continues to keep all of its hard earned fans is the awesome OP community, from dedicated artists like revuju, to theorists and anitubers, even fan events like the annual reverie and the unofficial official encyclopedia, Artur from Library of Ohara. The moment this series ends will be the day i stop reading manga, thanks eveyone and thanks Oda!
Olé! 💃🏼💃🏼
Without MARINEFORD One piece is nothing
I really love how the consequences that marine Ford has on the one piece world can be felt to this day. The world government had to change and adapt, the black beard pirates were formed and are growing in power, the white beard pirates have been weakened and their territories have been taken over or have to seek protection from someone else etc
Yes, and our current perception of the Wano arc is heavily influenced by that arc
One of my favorite things about this arc is how stressed out Sengoku was in the lead up to the war. Usually, for an authority figure, a fight is portrayed as a break from their vital but tedious everyday job stress. For eg. Naruto, once he becomes Hokage, the daily acts of the job are his stress, and fights are a welcome break from that.
But for Sengoku, this coming war itself is the stress! From Blackbeard being found at Impel Down to losing contact with his ships that are tracing Whitebeard, everything about it was just stressful for him.
Props to Oda for doing that.
dude you just made me feel hyped for something i already know. what trickery is this!!?!?!
Calm down sir, this is just an aftershock of the hype trauma inflicted by Oda to remind you that he is the best world-building mangaka. We will get through this together.
@@frostyphoenix1278 we sure will frosty-chan
@@frostyphoenix1278 you made your CZcams channel 9 years ago are you a one piece veteran 😳
This arc actually made lot of things clear for me. I was confused about how Powerfull Navy , Yonkos and 7WLs were. It kind of established a power system for me. It was like Saving Rukya arc of bleach .
@Lionard Kirsch Yup that one. I love that arc so much lol
This. This was the real “most ambitious crossover”
Not exactly a crossover
Get ready for the most ambitious crossover of the decade! One Piece x One Piece!
More like a collab arc
@@Falkuzrules one piece fans have an IQ of 5 lmao
9:14 Morj does it again. Another spot on manga prediction
In fairness, he said "that would be insane"
@@henrypeters5291 And yet, it was.
Imagine if Kaido was at Marineford, that would have been insane.
We should blame Shanks for stopping him xD
@Just Another Broke Communist I think he would have taken on Blackbeard if there was No navy . He acted all cool and chill to stop the war 😂 , but it would have been hard for him to take on all of them at once.
Marineford wouldn't exist anymore ^^ at the opposite of Whitebeard, he wouldn't have any reason not to sink the whole island
Just imagine how insane the war is going to be after Luffy finds the One Piece.
or big mum? or dragon? or cp0? or rayleigh?
If Oda is the One Piece god, then Mr Morj is the One Piece apostle
Oda is morj tho?
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 fax
I just had a wild idea. What if Oda is waiting for Luffy on Raftal. Nobody would expect that
@@doraeguyakaneddie6586 Oda is Roger
You’re all fools, Oda is Buggy CLEARLY
Don’t forget, I think the personal weight of this war, Ace’s life, also played some roll. Ace was a favorite character, brother to the main character, someone we only so far got a small glimpse of. I don’t really know about anybody else but In the back of my mind, Luffy was going to save Ace. The more the story progressed though, the more unsure if this fact I was.
The moment Luffy does save though is such an amazing and memorable moment and made me feel just so much joy. For sure this whole arc was building towards this and everyone is going to safely retreat and the war would be considered a win for the pirates. THEN, Ace turns back, he saves Luffy, he dies. This whole arc, everything Luffy did to save Ace, every sacrifice made to save Ace and Ace is gone. Died in Luffy’s arms.
The whole build up from the moment Ace is captured to the War, it all came crashing down on me as a reader. It was crazy. I was destroyed.
For me the pain was not over, when we get Luffy and Ace’s backstory afterwards, it really does kill me a little inside. I feel like if it was a different writer, they would have put Ace’s backstory sometime before the the war, before his death, to make us love him more and see how much he means to Luffy. But no, he puts the backstory after Ace’s death with us knowing he’s gone now.
Okay I’m sad and depressed now. Sorry this was so long if you made it to the end.
Yeah Odas a brilliant bastard to tug at our emotions seeing Ace as a kid knowing he’s going to die, it was truly heartbreaking.
Also the end of bloodline of the pirate king
That was a heartbreaking outcome for a number of reasons. Oda did that quite well.
@@anthonyzivalich4962 And seeing Ace's existential crisis come into full flow, he was questioning himself on whether he deserved to even live because of the sins of his father.
Oda made a great decision to not include Ace's backstory before Marineford. I had pretty much 0 reason to believe he will die and if Oda showed his backstory to make us sympathise with him more, I might have been sadder when Ace died but less shocked. But by delaying the backstory and playing with the readers expectations, he made the experience much better. When Luffy uncuffed Ace, there was not a single part of me that even considered the fact that Ace would die. But then, it suddenly happened and I was absolutely baffled to the core. It was so surprising that even after I saw Akainu burning a huge hole through Ace, I refused to believe he would die but alas in the next chapter he died, and Luffy, the character filled to the brim with hope and never ending belief in himself, broke. Then when I saw Luffy in Amazon Lily, for the first time in more than 500 chapters, doubting himself by saying he can't become the pirate king, the emotions started coming up as I remembered the very same Luffy in the past, several times boldly state that he is the man who will become pirate king without a shimmer of a doubt. Then I saw Ace's backstory ending with Sabo's death and Ace saying he won't die. That was the emotional pay off for me.
I literally cannot wrap my head around the fact that Oda went there on accident and then nailed it so hard that One Piece just completely rushed past all these other Mangas. Something like Marineford must be the absolute hardest thing to get right as a storyteller. What a legend.
I was reading week-to-week when Marineford was being published and man...the excitement was off the charts with every early chapter.
The Ace is Roger's son reveal, the reveal of Akainu's power, the reveal of Whitebeard's power and overwhelming strength...it was all so amazing.
One thing that I'd have liked is the death toll at the end. How many pirates perished? How many marines? How many did Whitebeard led to their graves alongside him? Plus, more minor deaths, one or two vice admirals would've been great.
PS: Oars Jr. is dead to me until proven otherwise.
@Ridwon Ahmad probably not in the great scheme of things, but it would've been cool nonetheless to know how many did Whitebeard killed all by his own and how many men the marines lost as a result of a war against, as you said, a single yonkou.
And yeah, the admirals are fine, I'm talking about vice-admirals and other ranks.
@Ridwon Ahmad The world gvt. isn't that much stronger than an Emperor. If 2 of them ever got together and agreed on a way to split the world into 2, the gvt. wouldn't stand a chance.
Of course, there is the 'new weapons that will make the Warlords useless' but we don't know how effective those would be against the true powerhouses of the world. I mean, I doubt anything man made could do any sort of damage whatsoever to Big Mom, Kaido or even Shanks, hell even Luffy is probably past that point by now, soo...
You gotta remember, an Emperor isn't going to go to war just by himself. He'll have allies, subordinates, even entire kingdoms backing him up. One of the reason Whitebeard lost so badly was that he couldn't and probably wouldn't bring all of his allies to help him. Can you imagine how many islands/kingdoms he had under his flag-protection. Probably dozens. If even a few of them had a few powerful characters each and thousands strong armies, you can only imagine how much destruction he could cause if he was the one who planned the war and not his enemies.
Also, he couldn't even use the full might of his devil fruits because he would just end up killing his own men. A devil fruit that can destroy the world only created like 2 big waves the entire war. Meh...
@@scandalfop2093 the last point regarding Whitebeard is often overlooked. He was severely handicapped (alongside his health problems) and everytime he had to use it his own allies had to stop fighting and stay away from him. Yes, Kaido, Big Mom and Shanks are undoubtly powerful but I've yet to see them fighting and pushing after taking all that damage while being that old and sick.
@@scandalfop2093 you kidding? the world governemnt is a powerhouse that hold the world for 800 years
Can remember reading Marineford week to week years back and I have to say you last point was spot on.
Luffy is known for always being able to get back up, bounce back and do the job he set out to do.
The lead up to Marineford was showing that it was getting progressively harder to do that, so when Ace finally dies we see, that Luffy's story is different from what we thought.
He was out of his depth, he lost utterly & completely and this was the first time he had to face that.
(P.s Zoro had a similar revelation upon being struck down by Mihawk)
Because he just couldn't do it.
I once read someone saying that, unlike other protagonists, Luffy really lost faith in himself and that what made post-marineford so heartbreaking was to see this usually goofy, optimistic and joyful character completely broken by grief and self-contempt.
Yes, Naruto went through his own process when Jiraiya died but Luffy had it harder imo, starting for the fact that he saw it all.
@@soulscribe_h totally get what you mean, I mean Naruto if anything had a lack of faith in himself and was a real underdog. First episode he's king of Ls
Whereas luffy has always shown to be taking Ws left right and centre, Luffy while he does have the will power is also extremely lucky.
Interesting comparison. I daresay the comments here are one of the few times I have seen a civil comparison between the two anime. I like both of them so this is a pleasant surprise.
I hate and love at the same time how he basically became that little kid that was lonely and lost without his old brothers in the entire arc... It pained me so much.
But it also made me love him *even more* ... The pain, the empathy for him, the wish to help him and the BEAUTIFUL bond of his crew when they were all determined to help him once more, as if they were us, the readers, as if they /knew/ as much as we did.... OMGOSH, definitely best moment for me after that whole awesome arc... couldn't ask for more.
When oda watched morj analysis: thank god someone gets it
When oda watches morj theory: *heavy sweating*
ODA be like: Oh no my surprise is f*cked
Sometimes I wonder if Oda watches all these analysis videos and thinks to himself that I didn't even actually think this way 😂 just like how the prisoners used to think about Buggy
Remember Luffy jumping in front of ALL 3 ADMIRALS. That scene alone was enough to make this arc legendary.
Fans: The perfect One Piece analysis doesnt exist
Morj:
Morj: "Hold my beer"
"Just having many strong characters fight each other and hope it'll be good, but it's actually boring and awkward" - *Fourth Shinobi War noises*
why ? it was such a great arc , imo it was better than marineford
@@zenox2924 Oh well...
@@zenox2924 Lol no
@@zenox2924 you are joking right Marineford war is only 28 eps tho made 4th ninja war 100+ eps look cute.
Do you think you'll analyze Water 7/Enies Lobby? I've heard you tease certain themes about it for a while now. Like what it means to be a Captain etc.
Yes definitely! Probably not for a few months though at least, there are other topics ahead of it
@@MrMorj It would be interesting to hear your take on the power-ups of that arc as well, I've seen and heard various new readers say that it was forced or an "ass-pulled" and that the straw hats shouldn't have escaped from the Buster Call.
@Andrew Dziminowicz Yes, some seem to be driven by a kind of need to dump on something that is popular just so they can get to say: "this shit is overrated, I don't get the hype". I don't even bother to argue at this point.
oohhh he just uploaded the enies lobby analysis
@@zeus7558 right 🤣
The real art, is this video.
There is no vid without Oda and Team. So no
@@tobiasuretheworld1434 ?
This is an absolute amazing video 👏👏👏👍👍😍
Just recently finishing up Alabasta again, I would argue that Crocodile is the first hints that Luffy was going to eventually be very outside his depth. His defeat of Crocoboy is framed as a triumphant fluke. Then Luffy is Enel's weakness. Lucci is a pure brawl that pushes Luffy in much the same way as Arlong but at the next level. Moria takes the whole team, the second hint at Luffy actually being a small fry. Then the events of SA through Marineford.
Some argue that Crocodile was put too early in the story, and while I tend to agree with it, Morj makes me think that it was also in Oda's plans in the long run. Crocodile pretty much killed Luffy twice and only lost because of his massive ego and arrogance. Same with Enel + Luffy being his natural counter
@Jordan Vance true. One thing that the Blackbeard vs Ace fight showed us (and not for the first time) is how confident a logia user can get after years of not having to experience how does it feel to take serious damage with a normal body, and guys like Crocodile and Enel suffered from the same mistake.
I like how Whitebeard, although he wasn't a logia, gave 0 fucks when Blackbeard cancelled his fruit and immediately owned him with his bisento.
I trust Oda with one piece more than I trust my family
9:14 Morj casually predicting the future
When i first started reading one piece i thought of it as a bunch of smaller stories. But since marineford everythinng connected in one piece heh
You probably look like your profile pic.
Brave boy 1million kind of
This was one of my shortest 20 minutes ever.
Yo I was watching the anime yesterday just to go back I still cried lol especially when Lufy asked Jimbe if Ace is really dead and that it's not a dream, that part was Amazing coz that's how I felt when my childhood friend died I could relate to it that's the best thing I ever seen in Shonen ever .
Excellent analysis. Hype is the perfect word for it. One Piece's greatest strength has been it's commitment to long term storytelling and Marineford was decades of set up finally paying off. All while the story tells you that this grandest moment is only the half way point. Hype.
This is also why Wano and future stories are so exciting. It's so cool to finally see Luffy fight the heavy weights of the verse
I really appreciate the time you take for theses analysis. It’s exactly the type of detail a story of this magnitude deserves 👌🏾
9:13
Morj have that insane observation haki.
Just imagine wano ark animation for the whole series
I wish the OP anime would get the HxH(2011) remake treatment somewhere in the future for generations to come.
you mean 70% bland, 30% really good?
@@zakturf oof, but u gotta admit, it's much higher quality, even if the story is adapted slightly wrong like with luffy vs kaido
@@Rob-hm4jx For sure, those scenes are over the top! What i'm getting at is that the other pieces are just lackluster. You really see where they budget went and where it got taken away.
@@lKeikun same, I also think that they could re-tell this arc a la Episode of Marineford or something like that.
“If you too possess the will of D, then show me what lies beyond this age “
Even after catching every new video on this channel for as long as I have, the sheer quality of your analysis still surprises me every time
I love these videos of yours. These analysis videos breaking down thematic elements and storytelling. This is what you do best and it’s a great thing to watch
About 2 months ago i decided to read One Piece and as always I had been binge reading it for weeks, then came the end of Sabaody and I really felt that intensity and hype all around MF arc. I was reading at the time 20 chapters at most in one day but when I began reading Impel Down i couldn't stop i just wanted to see and know more and more about what was about to happen and this is what really makes this arc beautiful in my opinion. When I was done (chapter 580) it was 5:30 am in the morning. And i found that i almost read 100 chapter that day! Damn. My first thought was "This, is how you write a war. You should have learnt Kishimoto!"
Great video Morj, your analysis are always incredible!
So many Morj videos lately. Thank you for the hard work!
Awesome thanks for the Analysis. Very grateful for the time and detail you put into every video, but especially the analysis vids. You always find a way to allow me to appreciate One Piece arcs more.
Mr Morj does it again with another amazing analysis video.
Amazing analysis as usual. You did a great job putting Marineford into perspective for people who were reading it at the time.
Love your analysis videos. great work man. waiting for the next vids.
Amazing video. I really love your channel
Excellent video as always, Morj
love your content. your clear sight on things relating one piece is baffeling
This video just reminded how hype I was for Marineford, can't wait for more!
what good story telling is all about, is learning. the reason enies lobby and marineford are so insanely good is we got to learn firsthand, what the potential of the world of one piece is like, in enies lobby luffy had to evolve physically to stand a chance to beat the world as we saw it then, and in marineford we just saw how far ahead the world was still, how many secrets and powerful characters there are still that luffy cant even begin to beat yet, and the journey on is the strawhats discovering those secrets and evolving again to beat the insane challenges, and we as readers are learning all that, we are really addicted at learning more about the world of one piece, thats all that matters and the reason why one piece is so successful
if learning at school was half as good and entertaining as learning in one piece is, we would all be astronauts wouldnt we
but i think slowly we are going to get there, already theres research in gamification of learning
What I love most about Marineford are Ace’s last words and Whitebeard telling to the whole world that the One Piece does exist 😭😭.
Edit:
Sabaody Archipelago is where Luffy realized he’s not strong enough to protect his crew, hence be a true leader in his eyes, along with the whole crew feeling useless to their captain. So, many reasons why I love Sabaody, but the decision each individual takes after the split is just amazing, all for their captain who they know can be clumsy and goofy, but yet strong and reliable as a pirate. The man who once saved them and now the man they chose to follow as the future Pirate King.
A friend of mine, new to the story, was complaining about the "lack of consequences" to the Straw Hats after everything they had done before Sabaody and in retrospective, with this video, I'm sure that that was Oda's intent, to make us think that Luffy would somehow win and get away with his actions again just because he's the protagonist. Starting with Sabaody (not counting Amazon Lily), Luffy took nothing but L's and/or had to run most of the time, from Kizaru and Kuma till in the war itself.
Ahhmm it starts when they encounter Aokiji on Long Ring Island.
4:49 If Seven Warlords were just a passing thought and I've heard that Oda came up with Supernovas in a similar way, it's amazing how flawlessly he was able to add them to the existing StrawHats vs Yonkou story in his mind. He truly is GOda.
Everytime I see pages or clips from this arc I cant help but shed some tears. Hits me In the feels everytime
Can I just say, that Buggy made me love the arc immensely
what a coincidence, i just finished watching marineford 2 days ago for the first time and you uploaded this amazing video
I just finished it yesterday
great video, i just can't get enough of Marineford analyses videos, it's definitely the best War arc of all time at least for me will always be
This might be my favorite one of your videos 👌🏾
This was an exceptional analysis! I mean we all experienced this, but for it to be put in such well structured way! Really liked it!
Your one piece analysis is profound. Just found your channel. Looking forward to watching more of your videos
9:16 excuse me!? Future sight unlocked?
This video is work of art. MF is my favorite arc and this video was perfect and brilliant for me. You are the best OP reviews channel in YT imo
Keep doing this stuff 👌
I'm loving these morj videos 😁
This is an absolute amazing video, a great piece of art itself. Thanks morj 👏👏👏👍👍😍😍
Great video!! Keep up the great work my man!!! :D
The video cannot be more clear, thank you Mr Morj !
This arc in one word: AAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUU
Marineford was a defining moment of my life, and I still feel that I have so much to think about it yet. It's where you find out that determination, alone, does not mean strength. And we see consequences for the actions of everybody - the admirals, white beard, black beard, ace, luffy, jimbe, law, shanks. It's about turning the world upside down, the characters personal world and the whole one.
@17:56 I really liked this part of the video. I've been theorizing that Luffy's Awakening will involve Luffy becoming an actual Giant to defeat Kaidou because as I say in my analysis: Luffy is the Thematic Giant of the Story. You've just validated my thoughts here. lol.
I knew you would be here lol i thought the same thing
nope
@@centurymemes1208 I was correct though. lol.
I thought the same thing,when I seen the Marineford Arc. I was like "Damn, this is just the beginning😮"
Damn, that fresh new setup is lit Mr. Morj.
On a related note. The crescendo of emotion as the chapter progressed made me want to stand there and fight along with the scabbards.
5/5 would say I'd fight even if it costs me my life
I've been going through all of your videos in the last week and I have decided to stick to your channel for any One Piece related content on YT. I don't dislike the others but I only have so much time and your videos are definitely worth it. The level of insight and structure in your arguments and examples are unparalleled. I'd rather listen to you break down the deeper meanings and themes of OP and analyzing the hell out of it rather than listening to people simply telling me what happened and their biased views of what they expect to happen. I didn't think it was possible to appreciate the beauty of One Piece More than I already did, but you made it happen man. you deserve at least 10 times the subscribers you have. At least.
Great video, you basically explained how great the arc is in this vid 👍
It's funny how every video you upload ends up with a lot more views than the actual subs of your channel while for most CZcamsrs it's the inverse situation. That shows how great you and your content are and the impact you're having on this community, though more people should subscribe
I'm not gonna lie, your videos are so chill to watch
"He didn't even get serious until Arlong"
Don't gloss over Don Krieg man, he legit pushed Luffy to his LIMIT. Arlong didn't push him that far, only Krieg did, before they hit the Grand Line. Though you could also argue that Kuro pushed him as far if not further than Arlong considering all the cuts and bleeding. He doesn't SHOW a lot of his pain when he's serious so it really might just be me reading into it, but Krieg 100% pushed him harder than Arlong.
@mr Morj 9:15 LOL FUTURE SIGHT
Thanks for an awesome analysis of an awesome war! It really puts into perspective the vast depth of Oda's story and insane hype gradually built up, all for a massive impact on the story, characters, and us, until now. Title's spot on :))
Your analysis videos are too many the best!
I think I just had a MORJasism!
Just subbed yesterday and binged all your vids. Happy a new one came out this early.
I was about to go to sleep last night when I thought...it would be great to watch a new Morj video tomorrow. And viola!
It's amazing that pretty much the entire war saga was just 100 chapters. Oda put so much in 10 volumes
You found your new gig! This breakdown had me enthralled and my ears perked while simultaneously playing FF14.
I see you being the next Mother's Basement or Super Eyepatch Wolf.
Great video and analysis. I can't wait to hear your view on other arcs and series.
He's way better than Mother's Basement already. lol.
Great content! Thank you for this!
Dont forget the Teasing from Shanks Vs Blackbeard Futures fight
I know its not in the same realm as the discussion here, but for more of a "chess game" of war strategy the manga Kingdom is AMAZING
When the 16:47 panel showed up I started getting teary eyed from that scene, that shit was impactful on me
I’m honestly amazed this channel isn’t much bigger
Mr. Morj before this week chapter. what a time to be alive
This channels' videos are so good, I wish we have videos on a daily basis
Great video as always
Glad I got in early.. Nice analysis as always... 😊👍
I remember back in the day, people thought Luffy would defeat Boa on Amazon Lily. Now we know Boa could actually no-diff Luffy back then, if they actually fought. 🤣