We Don't Talk About Elliot Rodger: A Response to Stefan Molyneux | Big Joel
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*Is it reasonable to interpret Elliot Rodger’s crime as a hate crime against white people?*
It’s hard to even argue against a position this ridiculous. Elliot Rodger did resent white people, but he resented them from the perspective of a white supremacist who looked down on non-white people. He specifically resented white women for going with black men and not him. This was a crime transparently motivated by white supremacy, and the race of his victims does nothing to change this fact.
*Is it reasonable to interpret Elliot Rodger as a leftist who took “redistribution of resources” to mean “ redistribution of women”?*
No, what? Where is Stefan even getting that from? For one thing, Elliot didn’t want to “redistribute” women, he wanted to muder them and erase them from society. But more importantly, Elliot never conveyed any allegiance with leftism in his writings, nor would it make sense for him to have done that. Incels reject feminism and, at least in my experience, tend to lean toward the right. Whereas leftists want to redistribute resources because they see the lives of the poor as meaningful and worthy of protection, Elliot Rodger considered women subhuman, was obsessed with his class, and saw himself as inherently superior because of his “aristocratic breeding.” I don’t know, not really seeing the leftist influence.
party in the usa!
The problem with the ‘redistribution of women’ thing is that, and I know this’ll shock you new leftists out there - women aren’t a resource. Women are citizens. When you’re talking about resources, you don’t talk about distributing women, you talk about distributing TO women. Same as men.
@@kitwhitfield7169 Why would that shock anyone on the left?
Dat Fishe Boi It wouldn’t, I was joking. Text-tone strikes again, I guess. :-)
Yeah what Molyneux pushes with the redistribution thing reveals the way he looks at women moreso than it is a statement which gives us some truth about leftism. As Kit said women aren't a resource, they're sentient beings and citizens and Rodgers' manifesto isn't based on some egalitarian society but on a perspective where only some human beings can/should be treated as human.
"it would be disrespectful to the victims to politicize the holocaust by claiming nazi ideology had anything to do with it, so let's do the common-sense non-political thing and speculate wildly about how traumatic it must have been for Hitler to have his art school application rejected... "
stilltoomanyhats Quite 😏
gonna be 100% honest with you, lots of people genuinely believe this to a T, people who generally align themselves in exactly the same ways as stefan molyneux.
Oh mY GOD YOU’RE RIGHT
Daaaamn
Oh god, don't make me wanna die
[OWNED] Alpha Big Joel Absolutely Destroys Stefan Molyneux With Nice Audio Quality And Cozy Sweater
It is a nice sweater.
Indeed...a very cozy sweater and A+ audio!
Big Joel always is wearing a sweet ass sweater.
Lol'd so hard at this
Absolutely destroys virgin Eggman.
"Don't use the victims as tools for your political agenda, because I'm using them for mine." -Stefan Molyneux
Dibs
Also annoyingly ignoring the fact that if a crime comes with a political manifesto, it is inherently political to begin with.
Don't use the victims as a tool for politics even though that was the murderers purpose
The problem with Stephan is that he refuses to acknowledge that it was Elliot himself who caused his own actions. Many teens face rejection, loneliness, divorce, etc. but they don't become mass murderers.
Many men grow up in toxic environments but don't become rapists or harassers. Yet, I don't think it's unreasonable to suppose how we raise boys has an impact on their choices regarding women. The personal responsibility element can be present while also acknowledging the causal influence of social factors. Now, Molyneux is just plain wrong in what he identifies as causal factors, but wouldn't there still be causal factors worth investigating?
@@spennyb89 Yes it's worth investigating, but by actual psychiatrists, psychologists and detectives, and not by political demagogues, professional misogynists and single-digit IQ Internet comments.
Because they have something to lose.
@@ottojarvonnen2455 No they are just sane
@@ravedubin3983 Keep telling that to yourself if it lets you sleep better.
"It's really repulsive how people use this sort of atrocity as a way to score cheap political points. That's why, out of respect for the victims' families, I'm going to relay the killer's manifesto without a single grain of salt, vindicating his worldview at every step of the way."
- Stefan Molyneux
And making him relatable and imitatable by every lonely kid out there, as 95% of his complaints are just normal kid things.
Hey, that's apolitical. His ideology could be anything, repeating it isn't a political act. It's a factual statement about a news event, and things can only be one thing, not two. That's why the people on the left are only making political statements and not reporting facts about the news event.
Timothy McLean *-Smoothest Brain on the Internet*
I truly hope you’re just being satirical, though. I hope.
@@DarkSideOfTheBrightSide I hoped I exaggerated and self-retorted enough to make that clear.
Timothy McLean Lol touché
Guys, guys, I know its easy, but please don't judge Adolf Hitler.
He had a:
- difficult upbringing
- he never got his dream job
- he was in a war
- he had only one testicle
- he was insecure around women because they only liked art students.
So, don't make this a political thing. Those are all straws that lead to breaking the panzers back.
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@@johannageisel5390 I think the point was more than just the sarcasm. I feel it was saying while, yes, Hitler had experienced trauma and abuse, the issues we have with him as a person are primarily political, seeing as his motives were in massive part political in nature. So even if the reason he went the extra mile is due to experiencing trauma, it was still also his political ideology that gets us to the point where he even targeted certain groups.
@@muntu1221 Miller argues, that the rumour that the father of Hitler's father was a Jew, did contribute to the antisemitism Hitler either grew up with or developed on his own.
I think, ideologies and the psychological setup of a person are not strongly divided. If you're being raised to develop a compassionate nature, you will hardly be drawn towards an ideology that excludes groups of people.
@@johannageisel5390 I'm aware that ideology is strongly rooted in one's personal experiences, but what I'm trying to say is that it would be dishonest to say his actions weren't political in nature simply because you can find a personal reason as to why he may have done it. He still used politics to justify it and garner a massive following that were more or less okay with carrying out his will.
@@johannageisel5390 If I remember correctly Bismark remarked that the Franco-German war he presided over was won by "the Prussian teacher," the same teacher later leading Germany into WW1 and WW2 but not finding as easy a punching bag for his pupils makes a lot of sense and puts a lot of things in perspective.
I also agree with you that these kind of things should be mentioned more often, even if it would be probably less about your kid becoming a nazi and more about your kid being mentally healthy. A psyche that consciously understands why nazism is wrong but is subconsciously drawn to it is not great for your happiness and productivity.
Conservatives when a starving black person steals from a megacorporation: "Evil! Monster! Personal responsibility!!!"
Conservatives when a white man murders a whole bunch of women: "This was because his stepmom posted noods"
Aged badly the food stores are leaving areas with those so called starving people
Funnily enough blaming the mom is pushing the personal responsibility on the mother.
@@strawberrysshortestcake2781 no conservative ever said that lol.
@@theragoooverlord5021 Whew, swing and a miss, buddy
@@whompronnie great you finally caught on and seen the error of your ways. I'm just glad I could help.
I was abused by a woman as a child and yet I have never killed any women... But apparently being taken to summer camp could have been the straw that broke the camel's back... According to a white supremacist at least. I personally believe that my lack of murder comes from my willingness to distinguish between someone who caused me trauma and arbitrary descriptors of that person such as gender, sex, race or anything else.
or maybe it's because you are a neurotypical person who can handle stress better than he does. Seriously, stop trying to compare yourself to someone who committed suicide. It's obvious that you don't got a clue about how severe his mental illness was.
@@vice2versa Committing suicide is one thing. Killing people before you do it is another.
I hope you're feeling as good as one can be now ❤
so no cognitive dissonance towards logic and fallacies of logic. Sorry for your experience with abuse.
@@madra000 it isn't so much that the dissonance doesn't happen. it's that i acknowledge and challenge it. If i meet someone and they remind me of my abuser i might feel like putting up a barrier and judging them. when i have that feeling i then remind myself of what is actually making that connection. It could be something like they are wearing a similar clothing style or an inflection in the way they talk but unless the similarity is in how they are being actively abusive i tell myself "they are not my abuser" and honestly that really helps. abusers aren't defined by sex, race, religion, or idk music preference. Abusers are defined by the abuse. Working from a place of being abused really requires that we make those steps to learn that. if we don't we can become immobilised by ungrounded fears based on generalisations. Thats a losing situation. if i feared anyone who had something in common with someone whe did something bad to me then there would probably be nobody in the world left to trust. And you see some people doing that. They were abused by a man and now they fear everyone born with a penis including trans women. it isn't healthy and enabling that fear hurts them and hurts everyone. we can understand the cause of someones fear whilst reassuring them that they are safe and that the fear isn't what keeps them safe.
Stefan: "Parents should always listen to their kids."
Kids: "Mom, dad, I think I may be transgender."
Stefan: "Wait no not that."
Hey, if you don't like school, you don't have to be apart of this school.
And if you don't like the opposite gender...you don't have to be apart of this family! 🤗 Equality
Ansa Seppalainen are you done
Mechanical Junkie I wouldn’t wish that fate on my worst enemy.
@Mechanical Junkie Thanks for trotting out your bigotry for all to see.
@Mechanical Junkie Poor Stefan! So discriminated against. So downtrodden. Such a wonderful person. Bwaaaaaa.... czcams.com/video/lVQOLX1wDAc/video.html poor white person
I, too, follow the wonderful tradition of not talking about my sex drive with my mom.
Well I hate to inform you of this, but there's around a 50% chance you are gonna kill a bunch of people! As long as you didn't go to summer camp...
Clearly you wouldn't have been casted in "Back To the Future."
My mom gave me the "sex talk" when I was 24. It consisted of two sentences. "Use a condom. I don't care what she says."
Fortunately, I didn't turn out to be a mass murderer, despite once going to camp.
@@Odinsday
are you calling theo's mom a blabbermouth?
KEvron
lol
The idea that this guy has a daughter is frightening. Imagine being a girl and growing up with a hyper conservative, misogynist father like stefan
@ i'm not particularly fond of conservatism but i did say 'hyper conservative' + 'misogynist' for this purpose. I recognize that stefan is not representative of conservative people
She's doubtlessly joining a large crowd throughout history.
@@malgorzatawojtys9846 Yes, we already said he's hyper conservative and misogynist.
can we get her a relief fund or something: :(
Just gotta hope his weirdly positive beliefs about hands-off parenting he (maybe used to) have affect his parenting. Idk exactly what he believes anymore, but his whole thing used to be about how much he hates parents pushing onto children. That's what he got his early following from.
Stefan is definitely someone who says things like "You can't even say hello to women anymore" and "Well what was she wearing?"
This is so true
No he says things that are MUCH worse lol
He called a can of pasta “feminist virtue signaling” because it had supergirl on it
@@cryo311what a dork
@@xafilmbyx Complete malding dorkass loser
He was born
Stephan: "Women are responsible for this"
I mean I know this is an ironic joke but the man literally said
"All of the cold hearted jerks in the world came out of the vaginas of women"
lmao he is beyond parody
@Anna Dayton - His mother tried to kill him? That's explain a lot.
@@stigma2936 Tbh, if I was his mom, I would absolutely advocate for the right to have an abortion even after birth.
I mean, at least one woman was responsible
What broke my brain was the "your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him". Like, what? So if a _nice guy_ happens to get a girlfriend, he magically transforms into an asshole that very second? Wha… how … why …
Also, wouldn't that make Stefan an asshole, because some woman apparently chose him and even had a child with him?
Stephan Molyneux is an Olympic gold medal mental gymnast.
His points always seems to fall flat on their face for me.
Wait... isn't this my internet history teacher just commenting?
Virto Erto it’s always interesting to see that about half of the prominent CZcams historians are reasonable leftists and the other half jerk off to the idea of re-creating empires.
He's a pig.
Yeah...but did he win that gold medal with a broken freakin' neck? (That's a wrestling joke. Don't worry if you don't get it.) 🤣
THANK YOU for spitting facts. Honestly as a girl I can’t count the times I’ve been ACTUALLY mistreated by men, not REJECTED but abused, manipulated, taken advantage of, sexually harassed, groped, had drinks spiked and yet I don’t have some weird hatred for all men or would ever consider harming someone? I’ll never understand the boohoo poor lil virgin mentality, anyone supporting it needs to grow up.
You go girl.
A sense of nuance like these is what keeps you away from the equally just as psychotic "#killallmen" types.
Jesus Christ, if this ALL actually happened to you, you should consider therapy.
@@acommenter3939 Yeah maybe she should.
@@acommenter3939 "if." Tell me you've never listened to any woman ever without telling me you've never listened to any woman ever. This is common basic shit that everyone who is or is mistaken for female goes through.
“I know how Eliot felt and I admire him so much. Is this a bad thing?”
Yes... yes it is. Get some help.
What the fuck has he done admirably? Literally the opposite. Definition of CUCK.
“All it takes is one bad day”
-Joker
@@CCROGGY we live in a society
No One can debunk the rodge
@@CCROGGY There are a shit ton of people who live through pretty bad days on a near daily basis and none of them become murderers. 💀
If someone insists on not bringing the politics of the shooter into the discussion, nine times out of ten it's because they share those same politics.
One time out of ten is because they _are_ the shooter.
@@rickrolld1367 I don't think that's how that works lmao
Stefan: “At one point in his life, Elliot tripped and fell. What if he tripped a lot? No one likes tripping, and I’m not saying that tripping a lot is the direct cause of his actions, but it’s definitely a straw on the camel’s back.”
I wonder if Stephan would take that same policy with transgender people, treat them as they want to be treated otherwise it's another straw on the camel's back.
Joel: "I'm not saying it's misogyny. But it's misogyny."
Two different flavors of absolute garbage. They're both picking over the ravings of a disturbed teenage boy and claiming it needs to be taken seriously because 'muh narrative.'
@@The_Mighty_Fiction what alternative to the "narrative" would you give oh mighty centrist.
@@annhilator55 Do you honestly need to be told _another_ fairytale rather than attempt to comprehend this on your own terms?
@@The_Mighty_Fiction ah the copout route, how masterful. You know when a dude goes on about how he hates women, then attempted to murder several, then because he wasnt able to just turned his gun on anyone he wanted i'd imagine that yes misogyny is at play. The whole "mentally disturbed" thing, is a copout which puts the blame on some internal mental issue rather than the acts of a lucid individual who chose to do an act of violence.
The fact that Stephen thinks that anti-misogyny is a political stance to take, says a lot.
Stephan: “this is entirely the fault of the parents and had nothing to do with misogyny.”
Then continues to explain an incredibly normal an uneventful childhood that almost everybody has and some would be lucky to have.
I mean, the man in his biggest points is essentially blaming the women in his life for his actions. He’s hardly doing any justice for the victims
I noticed a lot of serial killers do this too. Even if they also have an incredibly abusive dad in the picture, they still blame their mom and it’s like 🙃
@@Sarah-re7cg In a patriarchal society, men think they are entitled to make all the decisions, that includes attributing blame to whomever they feel like for bad decisions or unmet expectations. Women are an easy target in these systems due to being socialized to accept abuse and injustice and having disproportionate expectations to protect their families. Incels are just contributing to the cycle and getting mad when it works therefore making the world worse. They don't want partners, they want punching bags to reproduce with continuing the cycle with their own kids (kid witnessing abuse and carrying it out in their own relationships).
@@Sarah-re7cg well you need to consider how having an abusive dad led them to internalize the world, I imagine it would twist your thoughts about what is supposed to be the case as a coping mechanism
@@eVill420 there’s a fine line to dance there. Not all misogynists are products of trauma and not all products of trauma are misogynists. They can be both raging misogynists and products of trauma. Usually they use trauma as something to hang their misogynistic hats on.
Stefan: I talk to my children about sex since before they were born.
Also Stefan: Ewww, don't allow your wife/mother to have sexuality.
I'm surprised he even managed to create any children considering how disgusted he is by women....and their VAGINAS!
@@jdprettynails his racial imperative to procreate is too strong, or whatever. But yeah, dude's a huge misogynist by even the most forgiving definitions.
@@BewegteBilderrahmen It makes me wonder how or why some people accept their partners' extreme sentiments, even at their own expense. Maybe his wife was just desperate to be married and she doesn't really care what he thinks about anything. Who knows?
@@TheMorganVEVO Some people internalize bigotry directed towards them. It's possible that she feels the same way about herself as her husband does about her.
@@TheMorganVEVO
Hm, I may be able to answer it, as I am in a similar situation.
I've been in a relationship for a few months now, and he only recently told me about his sympathy for incels and their hatred for women, since he apparently used to think the exact same way as them before meeting me.
I still choose to be with him, because I fell for his personality and the experiences we've been through, not his views.
(It's much more complicated, but that stuff's personal and no one cares.)
But! His views have been progressing and are taking a turn for the better.
He even loves to watch the occasional Contrapoints video with me.
Molyneux has such a ridiculous amount of compassion for one person who did terrible things, and yet Molyneux has...like...no compassion for anybody else ever
That's pretty crazy huh
It’s because he wants to do what Elliot did so badly. He thinks women are going to destroy the entirety of western civilisation, the same western civilisation that gives him so much privilege and income.
Caesar Speaks don’t forget “western civilization” is a dog whistle for the whites which he considers superior
@@wooogie672 Oh so there's no such thing as "western civilization" now? Is it just a dog whistle?
@@itsspaceboi I mean.... kindof? For the vast majority of history western europe has been far from homogeneous enough to consider one single civilization. And if you consider all of europe western then it becomes even less so. It's like saying Russia and Japan are both part of Eastern Civilization. Like, fucking how? Other than them both being to the east of europe how are they anything alike.
"I started chatting with my daughter when she was still in her mother's womb about having sex."
Imagine presenting yourself as a reasonable man and then just casually saying something so stupid in conversation as if it's reasonable. lmao
"I started chatting with my daughter when she was still in her mother's womb for heavens sake"
Hearing is kind of key to understanding.
A good visualization of how alt-righters present themselves as correct just because they present as calm and reasonable even when saying the most abhorrent and incorrect things
@@adamweisshaupyeah he’s saying he spoke to his kid from the earliest days… so is his suggestion that the parents didn’t ever talk to their child, and this is why he couldn’t admit his sexual fantasies to them? Apart from being bizarre that would also be false even based on the manifesto
Stefan takes Elliot at his word 100% of the time which is very strange. This kid was clearly emotionally erratic and had a very strange and twisted view of the world. You don't think that worldview colored the way he wrote this manifesto, Stefan?
whenever he talks about soumaya it's just like
BREAKING: raging racist misogynist didn't like an African woman that's more successful than he
That was my thinking when this manifesto came out, like...how much of this tripe can we REALLY take at face value??
It definitely comes across as weird for Molyneux to sympathise with every single trivial complaint rather than dismissing it as self-centred whining. I wonder how he would have approached this if Rodger was a woman.
I hate to say this about an actual murderer but Elliot's writing really reads like Onision's books or just any generic edgy dude
Tsukiru I wouldn’t be surprised if Onison was a murderer.
@@saladman420 Onision isnt a murderer because he is too busy grooming under aged girls instead.
Lol it sounds like you don't want to offend Elliot by comparing him to Onision
@@blupeppers6437 welcome to the joke
@@blupeppers6437 you could literally offend Satan by comparing him to Onision
The one problem with your approach is that I'm like 90% sure that Stefan Molyneux doesn't view women as people.
He actually doesn't. His philosophy is based around the idea that all evil in the world is tied down to bad mothers who have sex with "bad men" and make bad children. He has gone onto Taylor Swift and other famous women's twitters to admonish them about having careers while begging them to settle down to produce more offspring before their "uterus' become unviable." To Molynaux women are a means of producing men. All women can be divided into good categories: women that make good mothers vs women that make bad mothers. The most important thing a woman can do is marry a good man and produce good sons.
@@iannordin5250 Thank you for the summary.
@@TheRedRaccoonDog Ian Nordin You're both stupid and I don't even like Stephan.
@theclubvids “You’re stupid, why? No reason. Good day” What a great retort, biggest brain ever
Od dacity Bro look at his videos, dude is legit insane
“I’m an empiricist. Now I’ll indulge in a mix of confirmation bias and unsupported generalizations. Let’s get hypocritical.”
What Stephan consistently forgets in his “analysis” is that almost all these experiences elliot describes are.... not unique. And most people that go through these things don’t end up murdering people.
That bit about Stefan talking to his daughter about sex while she was still in the womb made me do a double take wtf dude...
I get a little sick every time I'm reminded Molyneux has a daughter. That poor girl.
@@jeffengel2607 me too. I literally forget because it's so awful. Same with Philip/Sargon of Akkad.
It's like traumatic memory. My brain uncontrollably blocks it out of my consciousness to protect itself... until I'm occasionally reminded and have to vomit all over again.
Haha that's funny but you know that's not what he said
We can take apart arguments without inventing comments
How does Stephen Molyneux sleep at night knowing he is contributing to the destruction of our great civilization by bringing into the world such an evil and shameless creature. 🙄
For shame!
@@carninuz1 I'm aware that he actually meant that he was just talking to her in general, not talking specifically about sex. It's still a good example of how careless he is with his words and how creepy he is in general.
Also, I'm not trying to take apart his garbage arguments, I'm just making fun of him.
Molyneux: Women screwing bad men is the reason for all problems!!
Also Molyneux: Why didn't you women screw this bad man?!?!?!?
Heinz Guderian that’s the thing. He doesn’t think he did anything wrong.
But... but Elliot was a NICE GUY!
Now sir I do declare that this is a straw man, buT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE EGG MAN!!!
See, the reason he says this is because to Stephan, the distinction the between a 'good' and a 'bad' man comes down to skin colour...
Clearly this mass murderer was only bad because no supermodels fucked him.
when Molyneux says "I'm an empiricist", you can feel just how smart he thinks this makes him sound.
"Don't politicize this...but also video games, sexual women, and every scapegoat conservative dad talking point is responsible."
Stefan is _everyone's_ crazy uncle.
Something: *occurs*
Stefan: This is surely the fault of single moms.
That's basically him. Lol. I remember watching one of his videos years ago in which he interviews a woman simply because she wasn't a single mom. That's literally it.. I guess it's such an accomplishment to him that it warranted a whole interview.
Yeah, really. The man has some serious parent complexes.
It usually is though
Stefan, go away
@@Manorjames sorry you dont like the truth, it's just a fact that stefan fires off hard cold facts that people dont and opportunists without original thoughts like this channel simply appeal to that offended group to gain views and subscriptions.
That clip of Stefan Molyneux on race is the epitome of 'I'm not racist, _but_ ...'
It's "I'm not racist, but" to the third power
Absolutely.
“...but I am an empiricist!”
Thank God Elliot Rodger is at least half white! 🙄 Well, AND had pale complexion. If this was a half white/half black man I kiiinda doubt he'd be so kind.
(I'm just spitballing though LOL... wouldn't want to imply ole Stephen might just be a tad racist now would I!)
@@AnHeC decades of research that has been disproven decades ago? You're categorically wrong, sit with that.
Stefan: "Lets not make this political".
Also Stefan: "Elliot became a murderer because of the commies".
My childhood was similar to Eliot Rodgers, in the framework that Stephan uses here. In many ways it was much less trivial, instead of being unprepared for summer camp, I was unprepared for the many illnesses my father would face, unsure if each hospital visit would be the last time I saw him alive. My mother was cruel and abused prescription pills, buying them from people she worked with with money we didn’t have. I was isolated, homeschooled my whole life and taught a warped worldview that I learned was utterly untrue at a late age. I even found lewd pictures of my mother on my dads laptop.
Somehow I didn’t turn out to be a murderer and a racist. Big Joel is absolutely correct in his assessment that Eliot Rodger is a monster of his own creation, and the thing largely responsible for eliots crimes is Eliot.
You're a woman lol. You've always been liked by boys.
@@lukebruce5234 we arent just women, were people. people who (just like you) have been liked and disliked, have been loved and hated. whoever is convincing you that we arent fully human is lying. theyre trying to make you more isolated from us, trying to use our natural instinct to tell you to fuck off as proof that we could never understand you. so please, re-evaluate the choices in your life that made THAT your first response here.
@@jellysecret what the fuck are you even talking about
@@lukebruce5234 You really think all women are just automatically "liked by boys" for their entire lives? More importantly, you think being "liked by boys" somehow removes the trauma from all traumatic experiences?
You are fucking delusional, and you sound like Eliot. Annika is right - I don't know what caused THAT to be your knee-jerk response, but it's appalling.
What makes you think your life was anything like Elliot Rodger???? were you as severally mentally screwed up like him??? were you suicidal to the point that your life and anything you did no longer mattered??? were you severely bullied to the point you had to move schools??? did you have severe social anxiety disorder that made every single social interaction extremely painful and embarrassing???? Did you care and obsess over every detail about peoples thoughts about you to the point it caused extreme pain and hatred??? you are most likely a neurotypical person so you really shouldn't be comparing your life to Elliot Rodger just so you could make some weak attempt at a self righteous argument.
Stefan: It's disrespectful to the victims when people [liberals] try to make political statements out of tragedies like this one.
Stefan: *Proceeds to push his political agenda based on the tragedy.*
Typically a agenda is informed by opinion.
The political agenda is? That Hollywood is mostly filled with left-leaning people (fact) and that Elliot Rodger targetted people based on their race (fact) and gender (fact). Those are just facts. What can you refute it with?
@@Rellikan ummm.. And none of that had anything to do with the post.. Need to work harder at changing the subject.
@@byronnotbryon8605 Not changing the subject. Stefam was focusing on the straws that created the horrible person that is Elliot Rodger. That is not disrespectful. If you went to the original video you would find that one of the parents of the victims actually posted a thank you comment about it.
And you missed the point that he pushed his polictical beliefs as straws after saying liberals shouldn't push their beliefs in conjunction with his manifesto.
15:30 "Damaging Female Experience"
Every time I have to listen to that patronising stef-moly-drawl I am having a Damaging Male Experience
0noregrets0 every time stefan talks i’d like to give him a damaging male experience (ง’̀-‘́)ง
@@johannageisel5390 Stefan is the 30-50 feral hogs you need to defend your children from.
@@zachjollimore4339 Yes.
@0noregrets0 got you to 666 likes. You're welcome. Hope you enjoyed this positive female experience!
@@johannageisel5390
"I have impulse control, but the feeling is still there."
Well, deep inside you are evil. This is also why you are a leftist. Leftist secretly love violence.
Going back to this video, I think there’s a big point you missed. Stefan takes everything Elliot days as fact. He sympathizes with him more than he does the victims. He believes him and rids him of guilt by exercising each excuse Elliot makes. A rational, skeptic reader would read Elliot’s manifesto and learn more about Elliot from it than they would learn about the world. Stefan, on the other hand, seems to have learned nothing about Elliot, and instead taken the manifesto as gospel, with the goal of learning about the world from it.
Needless to say, it’s disgustingly rude and abhorring to the victims. For one supposedly so obsessed with respect, he seems to not care how much he sees eye-to-eye with their murderer.
He doesn’t look like someone who would worship him
Yeah, it's obvious that Elliot was a privileged narcissist that acted like everyone was out to get him whenever something didn't go his way. The summer camp story for example is basically just "boo hoo, my parents made me go outside as a kid instead of letting me play video games inside all summer"
@@thespiceman9367 And, as was pointed out in this video, he _liked_ summer camp-just like his parents believed that he would.
If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that when someone pulls off a murder/suicide you should totally take their own word for everything that happened in their life because it's likely accurate and not sociopathic
Honestly I can take him at his word because his childhood sounds genuinely solid for the most part.
Stefan: This kid was a lone crazy person with a bad mother, don't get political about it
Also Stefan: White men are being replaced and someone needs to do something about it
I don't see the hypocrisy here. I mean i don't like Stephanie Mollynox. Elliot Roger was an Asian kid dude
@@itsthatsebguy93 Really? Well there will always be those who don't want to see.
Walrus Guy those are some impressive imaginary facts you made up
p.s. “white” isn’t a race or ethnic group and therefore are logically incapable of having genocide committed against them except in nation-level or culture-level subgroups independently (e.g. genocide can be committed on Norwegians, but not on “white Western people”)
and that’s the least of the stupidity and lack of education in your comment... I’m not sure you said a single correct thing outside of accurately quoting the UN (just before misreading then)
@Walrus Guy Well, if you don't give them job contracts how do you want immigrants to pay taxes? If they have to hide for the fear of being separated from their kids... How do you want them to pay taxes? That's hipocresy.
@Walrus Guy Man, white people are so dramatic, calling genocide just because some people dont want to fuck them and taxes lol. White genocide is a myth my dude, no one is forcing white people not to have kids, it's just our definitions of what is "white" naturally results in the "white" population shrinking because people with only one white parent are often not considered white themselves.
“I started talking to my daughter in the womb about sex.” This man is almost so absurd it’s surreal.
*Puts face up to stomach* "Listen here, darling. When a man of sufficient means meets a woman of optimal sexual market value, they will perform an unspeakable act involving the genitalia. This will cause new life to spring forth. This life will be forever stained with the insoluble birthmark of the mother's iniquity."
@@john.james.110 if only i could upvote this post twice
When a man talks to a baby inside a mother's stomach it's absurd, when a women does it its healthy and beneficial to the child. I'm perceiving some bias in your comments.
@@Caddyleadz only if that woman in the mother, otherwise it is just as worthless and weird an endeavor. the fetus is not capable of understanding speech and through the noisy moving body of it's mother it reasonably cannot hear much if anything. if the mother is doing it then the mother is receiving some sort of (hopefully) positive stimulation and which could conceivably be passed on to the child hormonally though to be honest that is a generous opinion. likely its no different from if someone outside of the mother spoke to the fetus which is to say it's not for the fetus' benefit so much as it is for the speaker's
also molyneux is creepy and weird and the joke is that he would be no less creepy and weird to his unborn child than he would to any other female person
@@technopoptart he was making a joke about making sure to talk to your children at a young age... Witch hunts should only happen in 3rd world countries. This is what passes for weird and creepy in 2019? Have you seen the freaks out there......
Stefan’s psychological explanations are so backwards, it’s bizarre. Elliot’s problem was precisely because his parents (especially his mom; his stepmom actually tried in this regard) catered to his whims too much and never placed any expectations on him of developing accountability and responsibility. From transferring to new schools every time he cried about how lonely he was, to buying him a BMW because he said he needed it to impress girls. But Stefan thinks Elliot wasn’t catered too ENOUGH!?
And that “hold women accountable” thing is so revealing. He goes out of his way to “explain” Elliot and treat his accountability for his own actions as invisible, but shows no such willingness to understand the women who apparently marry assholes. Accountability for thee, mercy for me.
There's a difference between catering to a child's whins and their actual needs
You're still blaming women for his behaviour.
@@cleargreen123456789 That was precisely my thought.
Look, I had stepmom problems. I got rejected by lots of girls. I experienced shame over perfectly normal adolescent feelings. I had bad experiences at summer camp. I even went to an elementary school with too many complicated, arbitrary rules. But instead of murdering people, I went to therapy and transed my gender. Now I'm a relatively well-adjusted weirdo.
i feel like transing your gender does solve alot of problems unknown to you in your adolescence
That's the thing, none of Elliot's described life experiences are super unusual. Many people have messy and frustrating romance (in)experience when they're teenagers. Many people will have some unpleasant moments at summer camps. Many will be confused by the rigid structure of elementary school. There's nothing special about all this.,
Elliot had an extremely privileged childhood. All those ‘super terrible’ experiences he described are nothing more than some unpleasant moments almost every kid has to go through. Yet guys like Stefan try so hard to portray him as some ‘poor guy’ who was terribly wronged by his parents and by society so that he basically had no other choice than to kill people. That’s an insult to the millions of people in this world who actually had terrible childhoods and were beaten, abused, neglected by their parents or by others and who still somehow managed not to go on a killing spree and hating half of the Earth’s population. But yeah, poor Elliot had to go to a camp once and random women didn’t just come up to him and sucked his dick because he bought himself some nice expensive stuff. What an injustice!!! Poor little Elliot!!!
@@cosmicraynullificationsqua7667 Only if they're offered good legal protection.
@@theviewer6889 Hookers earn enough to pay for their own protection and human trafficking would still be illegal. I know girls who have panic buttons linked to a security firm.
@@cosmicraynullificationsqua7667 I support decriminalization of sex work, but that wouldn't have helped in Elliot Rogers' case: He wanted to get it for FREE, because he had such an overblown sense of entitlement. And what if a sex worker turns down a guy like Rogers, because she can smell the evil on him? (A lot of pros develop a veritable Spidey-sense!) He would just have felt entitled to murder sex workers, as many assholes feel already...
@@Galvion1980 I think it's not fair to distance yourself from people by saying they're evil, as if you wouldn't turn evil if we pushed some buttons on ya
@@FreddieGonza Yes, every action a person undertakes is a result of "buttons being pushed". Nobody bears any responsibility for their own actions. Everything is everybody else's fault. Your argument is impecable. You are very smart.
Why are you so offended by me calling a murderer evil? If you assume I would commit murder if you were to "push my buttons", whatever...you're in no position to do so. Why do you have so much more sympathy for a killer than his victims?
I've had a whole lot of my buttons pushed in my life (abuse, bullying, assault, you name it) and yet, I have not murdered anyone. And I didn't grow up wealthy and spoilt like Sad Boy Elliot. Wow, I must be a real saint! Or maybe I'm just a halfway decent person who understands a few baselines of human civilization, like...murder is wrong!
"Let's set aside the white supremacy and misogyny, and examine all the completely normal things that happened to this kid, and collect enough straws to build a...oh, I dunno, some kind of...man of straw?"
Elliot rodger was not white. He was half Asian
@@johnnyspin6346 nobody said that he was white?
@@johnnyspin6346 don’t need to be white to be white supremacist. My family is Asian and still acts like white men are the best thing in the world sometimes. It’s astounding
Nice
He was as much white as he was asian. Half.
"Please don't politicise this tragedy" usually means "political views I agree with helped to cause this tragedy".
From what he revealed , this dude had a very very very decent childhood even a good one , people get raped by their parents and still manage to grow up and deal with trauma and not mass murder and hate half of the human population.
The fact that most people who are abused are able to overcome it doesn't mean that most people who are criminals weren't influenced by abuse
Elliot Roger: *recounts a normal developmental experience for a teenager*
Stefan: Yet another straw that leads to MASS MURDER.
Theoretically he is technically correct. For as long as we have had societies we have had empty vessel sociopaths/psychopaths.
If you want to understand why he did what he did look to McVay, or the Canadian dude that tried to copy Dexter. They had nothing in them so they let society fill them up. That was never enough so they killed.
@@Giganfan2k1 They're serial killers.
This would be so pants-pissingly hilarious if it weren't actually true.
men like Stefan really would blame anything but maybe Elliot Rodger just hated women
Sum Arbor McVeigh wasn’t a psychopath, he was an anarchist with very clear and stated motives.
These people seem to think that ideology has no effect on people’s actions.
@brandon roberts It does. The materials are there, all you need are people motivated enough to take those to the extreme. Those motivations however often comes independent of said materials. 'Oh, the west is responsible for your misery, let's go teach them a lesson.'
They don't really believe that. If they did they wouldn't bother spreading their ideology. It's just an excuse they make to distract people.
Facts don't care about their delusions.
@@LimeyLassen no, most of them believe it. The inconsistency is lost in them, and the fear of the other is very intense and pathological. They don't think themselves into these positions, but they aren't faking it.
They believe it, but they refuse to admit its THEIR ideology the one that gets people killed. So they have to invent ways to twist everything
He practiced self-isolation at different points in time. He had people reach out to him to be his friend, and he rejected them. How much you wanna bet he rejected some 'ugly' girl because she wasn't his 'type'. Guess who sends their kids to camp?! Parents that FUCKING work. Omg the world ends because my parent doesn't want me to sit at home unsupervised. He had a BMW, didn't have to worry about paying for college, probably would have a had a good job...PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FOUND A GF EVENTUALLY. Damn some people are late bloomers. Most people can't have a quality relationship until they are stable enough to be in one. And to say he didn't believe the stuff he said, come on bro. Thats like saying Kanye don't believe what he is saying. Its ironic that they keep repeating the same thing in different ways for years. But your not supposed to believe him. His parents should have been more responsible for him, and making sure they taught him the skills to connect with other people. Honestly i seen his videos...and he didnt have a good personality, and he chose to an ass to people.
And to blanket this with his mental illness. Does a disservice to the millions of people who have mental health issues and don't kill people.
Most incels always scream how great they are, how much they have, how great of a catch they are..but when you look at them and their history. They do not have great PERSONALITIES, they want women to be beneath them. Most women are not going to be with feeling less than in a relationship.
At 22 years old there is plenty of time in life to lose your virginity. Hard to imagine someone that desperate that they think it will never happen. The kid literally had a good 50 years to figure it out. Some people would love to set the clock back at be 22 years old again. Such a wasted life and such horrible thing he did to innocent people.
Some die at 22
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 thank you, LeafyIsHere Funny Moments Fan Channel, very insightful.
@@buldermatts2968 lmaoo. Bro can't even read
It's disrespectful to the victims to politicize this. Anyway, he did it because of liberalism
Ah yes the racist misogynistic whackjob killed all those non-white people and women because them god damn *LIBRULS*
but what if the victims explicitly ask for it?
*inceldom
YEAH GET EPICLY ROASTED LIBTARDS, LIBERALS HAYE BLACK PEOPLE RIGHT? Honestly though fuck off with these politics, if anything he was an incelble
I always jest that the problem with the right is that they hate liberals for the wrong reasons, and Stefan is a prime example of this (Sorry to any liberal in the comments, but y'all are stinking with centrist vibes XP).
"Everything but Elliot Rodger is responsible for the actions of Elliot Rodger"
-Stefan Moluneux, man of personal responsibility
Except that wasn't what Stefan was saying in his presentation.
@@kestrelraptorial689 It is what he's saying. The rest of us just blinded by Moluneux bullshiting like you
@@robertrulebirtannia Alright, perceive things that way . . . and watch your own family descend into a downward spiral. If I look at your videos side-by-side, or one after the other, Molyneux made his arguments and defended them far better than you did.
Kestrel raptorial look at other videos also
Reach out to a wider discussion
You might change your mind
Might not
But be open headed
@@ussishkingang7194 I'm ten steps ahead of you. I did watch other videos around the time of the event itself, some from people saying much what you said, another good commentary by PsychologyinSeattle, and some interviews with the father himself. After all that, I still say Stefan Molyneux had the best, most comprehensive insight.
You know what is funny when Stefan lists all those things that might contributed to Elliott's ideology (according to Stefan), he forgots to list himself as he is also one of reasons why people fall into such hateful ideologies. He is a contributer
great point
for stefan’s video to be honest, he’r need to count up all the reasons that Elliot cared so much about gender & politics beliefs and add each of them to the straw pile
Something that didn't didn't hit me till just now is that Stefan, somehow, has no problem taking Elliot's assessments of other people at face value. Like at 15:53, he's just agreeing with the person who has a murderous view of women.
Literally anything bad can happen anywhere in the world and stefan will immediately upload a 44 minute long video blaming women for it
I don't think this is accurate. If we figured out some bad thing happening in space, he'd probably find a way to blame women for that too.
@@Clawdragoons you got me there.jpeg
Molyneux lives in my country, and it makes me sick that he uses Canada as a base for his promotion of hate, especially against women, who are usually called SJWs or "feminists," immigrants, even though he is one, so non-white immigrants, and other targets of fascism. He incites violence against these targets. We had never had a mass killing in Canada before the alt right and Trump era, with it's endorsement of racism and other forms of hatred. Already we have had two mass killings, both by white men who learned their hateful right wing propaganda on line. fuck the free speech of fascists and others who obviously don't believe in free speech except for themselves. If mass killings can be prevented by banning right wing hate sites then so what? Free speech doesn't cover conspiring to murder people and destroy democracy.
@@generationofswine-ge5rw
"He incites violence against these targets"
Example please...
@@generationofswine-ge5rw We had a them before Trump, you must be young.. there were a bunch back in the 80's.
the virgin stefan molyneux vs. the chad big joel
Et Tu, Aaron? I mean there’s a reason he’s called BIG Joel
The virgin stefan vs the objectively hot troubadour big joel
I'm pretty sure Stefan has a daughter, but I get the point of the post.
"Chad Big Joel" sounds like he will drop CZcams for singing Jazz in a big band.
Anarchist Moose buddy it’s a joke
Blaming everyone but the perpetrator is exactly what the perpetrator wants. Think of how narcissists hold their families and friends hostage and everyone just becomes normalized into walking on egg shells. “Don’t rock the boat, don’t rock the boat, you’re going to upset x.” Like no, how about we stop being told to arrange our lives around these entitled sociopaths? They’re angry at the world and they have deep seated resentment that needs to be resolved through serious psychological treatments.
I can't believe the amount of dishonesty, immortality, or just stupidity required to blame Elliot Rodger's issues on "egalitarianism" and "leftism". It's just beyond my comprehension. Good thing he didn't politicize this though. LOL.
that kind of dumb ass shit is exactly what mass shooters want. they want to be an "alienated young man" so that the rest of their movement enjoys the benefits of incel ideology in the mainstream. we will not let this be normal
Elliot Rodger: My local Subway employee forgot to remove the pickles from my order
Stefan Molyneus: StRAw oN tHe CamEl's bAck.
bach pham that's not something Stefan would say, because the employee wasn't explicitly said to be a woman!
@@mothdoc1909 But they were probably poor if they worked at Subway. I'm sure poor people are partly to blame.
I am glad that some people listen to the always questionable ideas of Molyneaux and virtually nobody reads the idiot jokes you write.
I mean, don’t tell me you can’t imagine Elliot Rodger writing one or two paragraphs in his manifesto about how some female Subway employee looked at him funny when he corrected her on getting his order wrong
"There's this assumption in fast food, and in society at large, I think, that everybody must like pickles. And what if you don't like pickles? Well, you have to ask. (fake laugh; next part said with weirdly angry grin) You have to ask them to remove the pickles and, frankly, they should remove those pickles because not everybody likes pickles in their sandwich! (expression grows serious) And then, and then, what if they don't? Even after you ask? That local Subway that you trusted has let you down. There is this, this highly insidious undercurrent, I'd say, of alienation."
He really focused on the school uniform aspect, when I just looked at the points on that slide and realised Rodger spent his early childhood here in England, where... everyone wears a school uniform. And we have a very low number of mass shootings. Now that might be because of our gun laws, but to Stefan I'm sure saying that is way too political.
Well to be fair high school blazers are pretty enraging /s ((as in no blazers don't actually give me murderous intent, they were horrible tho))
"I started talking to my daughter about sex when she was still in her mother's womb" am I the only one who envisioned Stefan just yelling his whole "WOMEN CHOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH ASSHOLES!" shpeal at a pregnant woman's belly?
It will always amaze me, the mental gymnastics people do to blame women. Like it’s actually incredible.
Except that Elliot didn't blame only women, he wanted to get revenge on the entire world, and when he killed people most of his victims were men. That kind of comments actually prove how far the misrepresentation goes when "women" are the topic or receive the same treatment.
@@akunan4989 Except he did hate women. Are you capable of logical thought? He outwardly professed his hatred in a full-on manifesto. Him being a bad shot and not getting the targets he wanted doesn't negate his hatred or his intentions. Why are men like you always trying to derail the conversation away from women who are victims? Go take a shower.
@@akunan4989Elliot was trying to break into a sorority house and shoot all the women in there. When he failed to get in he killed whoever. He also murdered his roommates. Misogyny hurts men too as evidenced by this tragedy.
@@akunan4989He literally wrote a manifesto explaining his motivations. Why are you here
@@autismworldtravel And that happened after he stabbed three men on his apartment. That's blatant cherrypicking from you.
It's not misogyny because he hated everyone. You have no reason you to put the emphasis on the "women part" of his misanthropy, other than, due to bias, you consider it worse.
There is a very simple reason Stefan says so many ridiculous things to deflect from Rogers ideology and that it was the motivation for the shooting. Because he almost completely shares his ideology. Of course he has to deflect.
I wish he would just say it, it is so obvious, he is just as extreme as those mouth breathers on incel.me and r/braincels but instead he acts like some fair centrist.
He doesn't want to "make it political" when making it political would make his side look bad, but he's quick to blame the left and their talk of redistribution for Rodgers' entitlement. Also, like many right-leaning youtube "thinkers", he's quick to pass political talking points as "unbiased facts".
@@timmydirtyrat6015 no he just understand that nature and psychology of women unlike you dumb fucks
Stefan Molyneux blames the women. What an surprise.
ravioliandsalsiccia what are you trying to say ?
@ravioliandsalsiccia No. Elliot Rodger has as much of a free will as we do. The distribution of responsibility does nothing but whine; if not the parents, and in turn the society, and in turn, the cruel, cruel universe, would we all not be serial killers? Our understanding of sentience and accountability would never permit this: to believe otherwise is to attribute him to either the status of a god or subhuman.
@ravioliandsalsiccia Apparently women can't comment without being judged. Nice move.
I'm not saying that he is not a product of his environment. I hold the belief that almost all that is human in us is nurtured and not nature; that the experiences we have are what define us. However, his murdering, his disgusting actions, should not be blamed on those around him. If they were, I'm afraid the judicial system would be quite the joke. It is not attributed on a whole to Elliot, though; his trauma, mental stability, and more than unhealthy habits can all be traced back to childhood incidents, but his actions are results of his own doing.
A note: either the part I was responding to was deleted, or my sleepless nights have caught up to me, because that comment was a little bit out of place (and quite rude, sorry lol), and I honest-to-god do not remember writing or thinking about it.
The entire situation with Elliot Rodgers, much like every other spree killer, was a product of both nuture and nature.
He was suffering from severe untreated depression, which is a common occurrence with spree killers in perticular. In almost every instance where a spree killer isn't apprehended or shot, the killer will take their own life, as that is ultimately the final goal of these types of mass murderers.
They're fed up with the world and want to end it all, but take revenge against the world that they blame for their trouble in a final act of defiance.
Most of what Elliot had gone through is the same ordeal hundreds of millions of kids around the world go through. Pretty much normal teenage angst and him being socially inept. He is a good example on how a privileged upbringing is ultimately meaningless if the parents have headass syndrome.
His father in particular was one such case. Still, his mental fortitude was ultimately a result of nature and from an early age, if his manifesto is a credible source into his psyche, then he was always highly likely to develop mental issues.
Children who show early signs on mental issues will almost always see these issues manifest in their teenage years, as the development of the brain and hormones is at its peak there.
It was a circle of negligence, lacking observation of his parents, social isolation from his peers, his own highly agressive and apprehensive attitude towards people, weak mental fortitude and very possible undiagnosed behavioral disorders which caused him to commit his act.
It was planned to a degree but a very impulsive and sudden decision, which is made evident by the way he executed it.
@ravioliandsalsiccia My little sister is a psychopath.. she was born that way. We grew up in the same half-decent home and had mediocre parents. There is this idea that psychopaths and sociopaths are some how not inherently evil, well they are inherently selfish aholes with zero remorse or empathy. They will sell you a happy "I'm capable of being a reasonable person" right up until they stab you to death. They love fools who will fall for their BS blame shifting and see them as redeemable.. easy prey.
Stefan is the kind of guy who hates being called misogynist or racist, so he goes into a convoluted arguments with racist and misogynistic talking points. When I watched his videos I get this hollow feeling that made me feel bad as a person just by watching it. I can't imagine living with such hate in my life.
Unrelated but cultural mysticism is ALSO responsible for queer erasure throughout history. The Athenians viewed the portrayal of Achilles and Patroclus in the Iliad as a tragic love story, fated to end violently and much too soon. Yet centuries later, the notion that fictional heroes might have been anything other than straight is cultural mysticism at its best. They were intimate friends and battle companions, so the loss of one would surely be painful. But is it painful enough to seek violent revenge? Is it painful enough to go on a completely heterosexual rampage, seeking to destroy all even remotely aligned with the killer of a friend? A platoon-mate? A fellow soldier? Perhaps not.. but for a lover? Most people would go at least that far. Cultural mysticism requires a fundamental divorce from the reality in which the events occurred, and the fundamental assumption that every single event and slight was another step towards an outcome which is presumed to be inevitable but was in fact very much avoidable.
Stefan talks about things that most kids are forced to do by their parents like some kind war crime against Elliot
I'm all about trying improving these issues ingrained in our culture, but these things are like... the most typical growing up experience of everyone I've every known or heard about.
"my parents made me have a few bites of my dinner because i have refused to eat all day, fucking fascists"
@@hamluk_ one of the biggest Men's rights advocates cites his first traumatic experience of his mother being evil was making him take diarrhea meds when he'd been having it for 2 days. They had to "wrestle it into his mouth" and he said he knew right then she was a rights-violating monster, like all women.
So apparently making children take medication that keeps them from the hospital or death is also on their list of "awful things to do to a child".
If you read the manifesto Elliot was essentially spoiled rotten. I could never imagine having such a privileged upbringing.
@@nuriben7910 they reaped what they sowed
“If a child is crying about not wanting to go to school, you need to take that into account. But if your child has gender dysphoria, just completely ignore it bc they’re just delusional”
Anything to absolve guilt from any cishet man that commits an atrocity
Ah, i take from this comment that the wonderous stefán somehow manages to not Believe in trans people
@@defensivekobra3873 Considering the rest of his political beliefs, I would be absolutely gobsmacked if he had any positive opinion on trans people
@@samkuperman9035 yeah sounds about right
@@samkuperman9035 he doesn’t believe that trans people exist
@@samkuperman9035 I checked his Wikipedia article and the only thing I found was that the independent (news paper) called him transphobic
My dad made the exact same argument that Molyneux is making here about the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre, another explicitly misogynist shooting.
Despite the fact that my dad is a raging misogynist, and I am AFAB, for a long time, I was under his spell, and thought he was brilliant and original.
There’s still a small part of me that wonders if I’m actually an idiot (as he asserted whenever I disagreed with him), and while I *know* I’m not, it’s still really therapeutic to realize he’s just working from the same playbook as a thousand other alt-right assholes.
You're not an idiot donotlendbookstome7923, you're not an idiot at all.
"I convinced my mother that I stumbled on those online pictures of women accidentally."
No, you didn't. Your mother might've let you think that, but you didn't.
I only have one nitpick with this video, which is that My Twisted World isn't, as you and most others call it, a manifesto, at least not primarily. It is first and foremost an autobiography. It's actually striking how much time he spends narrating seemingly irrelevant events and how little time spelling out an ideology or agenda. I think this is important because the reason Elliot wrote an autobiography is because _he wanted_ us to do what Molyneux does, to understand his crime in terms of his experiences and how he personally was wronged by society, to see him as a victim of circumstance. So it's very easy for Molyneux to talk about building up straws, because that's what Elliot's book itself is implicitly doing. Molyneux is just taking it at face value, which is obviously a pretty questionable way to approach a book like this.
THANK YOU! I was thinking the exact same thing! Rodger is an unreliable narrator, period, and for Stefan to take it at face value either shows an incredible lack of forethought OR a calculated oversight to push his own agenda. I don’t know which would be worse.
On point
This 💯 He wrote the narrative that got him to his actions, so picking through it and 1) using to find the reason for his crime and 2) taking it all at face value is isn’t exactly adding value to that conversation.
Apparently you have magic powers where you can read minds
@@bangarang3810 Nah it's just called text analysis.
As someone from an actually abusive household, this guys logic is infuriating
Same
tehgrrl And insulting to real abuse survivors like yourself. "His mother woke him up early and told him he had to go to camp". Omg, what a monster! 🙄
He had to go on vacation to Morroco to stay in a mansion. Can't believe the suffering he went through lol.
Alex Bellington Abuse! Abuse!
Same 😩
Listening to Stefan Molyneux's take on social issues gives me exactly the same feeling as listening to flat earthers talking about science. There is a lot of confidence, there is language which seems to be intentionally designed to impress themselves, and yet, they are unable to reach even a basic level of understanding of the topics they are talking about.
Steves logic: Elliot also used to breathe! Im in no way saying it has something to do with his actions but it sure is a straw on the camels back!
I've never heard anything intelligent come from Stefan Molyneux.
Hes a total dope when it comes to anything related to culture (which is nearly everything)
But this is probably one of the more reasonable videos.. sadly, he continues to push away criticism that he always may follow.
stepon mypoo heheheh
Me neither.
Same
But, but, he says he's an empiricist!
Stefan: I started talking to my daughter in the womb
Stefan Molyneux to his unborn daughter: "You, my daughter, are already a second class citizen as it should and always will be. You are the death of society and the scourge of man. You are destined to subjugate yourself to a man who will hit you because he loves you and your innate worth is less than his. Love you as an object!"
And if your husband or child turns out to be a bad person thats your fault. Not theirs, lets not even bring up how they have control over their own lives.
@@brain_apostrophe_t besides the fact that your comment seems irrelevant to the point I made; That Stefan treats women as less than human. I would say all though no parent would eve be at fault they should be considered a factor. To say "parents play no factor in the way a person turns out" would be fallacious. And obviously the amount of influence parents have on their kids varies by case. But they certainly play a large roll in the development of the person typically.
@@Rawrbagels ??? They were agreeing with you by making a satirical joke
In the context of the video, I literally pictured him loudly giving the sex talk to a pregnant belly.
no wonder his wife divorced him and he allegedly can not see his child. that's why he's crazy and guess his wife left him because he was crazy, vicious cycle.
i wonder if this was recommended to me because of how many times I've searched for "we don't talk about Bruno "
Well that’s exactly why I clicked on it
I think Marcus Parks from Last Podcast on the Left puts it the best when he says, "mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility." When you look at damaging and negative formative experiences, of course they'll play a role later in life and development. But, as you and Marcus both say, so many hundreds of thousands of people have awful childhoods, or struggle with mental health issues their entire life, but they don't use it as a justification to kill/harm others.
Ahahaha Joel you're so sexy don't get your channel terminated ahaha
ahaha that's exactly what I was thinking ahahaha
Nathan Shlapobersky,
*confusion noises*
Noo Joe don't get terminated you're so sexy aha
@@violet5188 proper format
RIP Mumkey Jones
Still horrified by the idea that Stefan Molyneux has a daughter.
"I talked to her while in her mother's womb about sex"... goodness, I hope that Molyneux's daughter is okay.
Probably an estranged daughter by this point
@@LimeyLassen Well she's like 10 so not yet, but probably someday.
We should blame his wife for falling for an asshole.
Albirie the Blue She’s nearly at that age when girls get weirdly obsessed with witchcraft for a little bit
Ah yes, Stefan "I don't like people using a tragedy to push their agenda, so let me use this tragedy to push my agenda" Molyneux.
You don't judge a person for who he was or could have been. You judge him for who he is and will become which is especially worse if he's already demonstrated who he has become
I just find it ironic that Stefan says others will exploit Elliot for their own purposes and then literally exploits Elliot for his own purposes.
To Stefan, it's only a bad thing if liberals do it.
Thats because Stefan isnt exploiting Elliot, he is with him. Stefan is defending Elliot, that whole video is a essay about how is not Elliot fault, but of the people around him (mostly his parents)
@@FenixIzyuze That's even worse, but I'll accept the criticism.
@@FenixIzyuze murder for something that isn't self-defense is always the murderers' fault, nothing from mental health to bad childhoods is a cause for murder. It can be a explantation for why they thought/acted a certain way but no one pulls the trigger but themselves. Defending or blaming others them doesn't do any good cause it takes away the blame.
The way Stefan talks about women is genuinely terrifying. There is so much hatred in his voice. I hope one day he can recover from that because as he is now I would be scared to even be in the room with him.
He's too sucked into his worldview for that. All we can hope is that his daughter grows up emotionally healthy.
probably got worse since susan yeeted him from youtube :D
Yeah me too especially since he has a daughter
@@somebodyonce5976 I was just as deep as he part of this world of extreme hatred towards women, muslims and leftists. Nobody is beyond reach
@@caspermcgoangle975 dude what
This reminds me of a more recent example with the buffalo shooter. He could not be more clear about the fact he was targeting black people but conservatives kept trying to find any way to distance him from an ideology so similar to theirs.
Why do people assume his writings are even true, he could be exaggerating or plain lying.
OH MY GOD THE NEW SETUP IS JUST AS SMUG AND PERFECT AS YOU SAID
Personally I always liked the big comfy-looking couch aesthetic, but who am I to stand in the way of progress?
I like the new look, though. It's less comfy but... I don't know how to put it. It radiates a certain smugness.
I like the cool element
My boi big Joel going big chair instead of big couch
I miss the days of the extremely wrinkled cream-colored bed sheet.
I miss the days of just voice over... 😆
Stefan screaming that my dad is a bad person because my mom chose to be with a bad person really triggered the fuck out of me. Because no Stefan, my dad is a bad person because he abused my mom emotionally and financially, trapped her with a baby, and then emotionally abused said baby in it’s adolescence.
"I started talking to my daughter when she was still in my wife's womb"
Okay, but like... Does Stefan not know a conversation is supposed to be an exchange of communication?
I'm surprised Stefan didn't talk about Elliot Rodger's skull shape
Lol agreed.
Also the name of this video should be... Why Stefan is all alone in life.
to be fair the millimeters speak for themselves
Well, Elliot Rodger was half Asian. If we're really taking the "White supremacist" route, Elliot isn't the best poster boy for it.
@@Otakupatriot117 internalized racism 😌
"kids wanting to be cool causes violence and bullying"
"Misogyny doesn't tho"
Who said those?
Gigajoule Candy it’s just a snappy summary of what Stefan’s video claimed.
@@EC-yw5hg Stefan never claimed nor implied that misogyny doesn't cause violence or bullying. I watched the entire video on his channel and a lot of other videos unrelated to Elliot.
The "cool" element he was talking about IS cancerous in youth culture. Who (besides those deemed 'cool') wouldn't agree with it? Fashion trends, Instagram girls, having the latest piece of technology, being able to take expensive trips etc. These are all things that are not virtuous. What is deemed "cool" is usually something superficial or sometimes an indulgence of a lack of self-control.
He didn't say or imply that being uncool WILL cause one to become violent but its an age old common idea that being uncool is grounds for bullies to target you.
This isn't controversial. I feel like people are making a big deal out of something Stefan said that's practically benign.
@@beepbopboop7727 and i believe Antifa are the new nazis and climate change is a cult.
@@no.8466 As men are gross. Everybody IS gross
"We should analyze these things rationally... so that they never happen again."
This statement is inherently political. He's saying that we should look objectively at what happened and use our findings to do something on a societal level to prevent it from happening again. That's literally what politics is. Identifying a problem, formulating a response to it, and issuing a response to it as a society. What he truly means by "politics" is "politics I don't like".
it actually makes me really, really sad listening to how... mundane and average and honestly blessed his life was. i just cant stop imagining what it would feel like as his mom...
I understand the reasons for not showing his face but my goodness the thumbnail of faceless elliot rodgers is nightmarish
It's what made me click on the video
It should be.
elliot rodgers with a face is more nightmarish in my book
I don't get it. I think he's a much better lookin dude than me. Thinner than me. Not going bald like me. I know tastes vary from person to person because of opinions and all that... But I'm apparently way smoother with the ladies lol. I think his problem is that he was a stupid asshole...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 he was another entitled privileged brat who whined about not getting his way. if he had just stuck it out he'd have lived a normal life, probably with all the shit he actually wanted, thanks to his money. but he was too much of a whiny bitch to stick it out. how people idolize him is beyond me. listening to his manifesto is just... ugh! SO MUCH WHINING!
when u hear "i often have problems with white nationalism, HOWEVER" that's ur cue to skedaddle
Bella Konrad I AM AN
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You don't listen to him much do you?
Stefan is right to feel vindicated about how easy it was for him to stage a talk in Poland. Racial homogeneity produces significantly less crime and a lot more community trust. Studies have been conducted about this between communities with varying racial diversity in the US.
The authors have hesitated to publish their work for years trying to reach different conclusions.
Gigajoule Candy when you zero into police placements, crime data and wealth in the neighborhood Americans and Europeans see a predominantly black and brown representation in crime are in part because of these over representations, but people like you must also recognize is that education and access to capital (like an iMac, or other “luxuries“) you wouldn’t see the level of crime because crime is downstream from poverty and if u really care about it you have to address it
Gigajoule Candy Of course the study would say that Dumbass racism is extremely prevalent and wholly inescapable, past and present. Who’s surprised? Nobody. I bet they didn’t want to publish it because they thought if people read it they would think they were racists, a fact that is lost on the real racists who hold up that work as any kind of tangible proof of segregation or mass deportation or mass murder would be a good thing. Libertarian my ass, you’re another dumb Republican who hates the word Republican
@@andrewthen8998 Crime is not downstream from poverty. The Appalachian Mountains, predominantly white are some of the poorest communities in the US. Their crime rates defy the notion that poverty causes or is highly correlated with crime.
Crime causes poverty, not the other way around.
The Scottish, the Irish, the English and the Welsh used to engage in open warfare against one another for their differences in culture and ethnicity. History has many examples were violence was applied along clear inter-racial and inter-ethnic lines.
You realise the authors were left leaning. Also you are a bigot if you automatically assume someone is racist for showing facts that hurt your feelings.
They would have been called racist by narrow-minded bigots like you if they had not taken the time and effort to sit and bend their conclusions in ways that avoided such rash accusations.
Believe it or not some people that disagree with you are not evil tyrants. We have principles that we stand by; universal ethics that are not withdrawn for personal or political gain. Do not project your lack of principles onto to us. The Non-Aggression Principle is vehemently in direct collision of any form of violence. Mass murder is not moral and does not follow NAP. Violating people's freedom of assembly and association is not viable with NAP. Mass deportation of legal citizens and migrants through coercion or violent force is not in congruent with NAP.
Initiating violence or coercion is not a part of the NAP.
"it wasn't the straws that did it, it was you" that hit