In Defense of Rory Gilmore 📚☕️🍂
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
- 💬 What do you think of Rory Gilmore?
Today I tiptoe into the somewhat controversial waters of Rory Gilmore discourse online and argue that she’s actually not as bad as a lot people make her out to be. Sure she does bad things over the run of the show (I could list them but I’d like this to not be a 5000 word description), but that doesn’t make her a bad person. I also argue that her behavior isn’t some shocking departure from an established pattern of “goodness,” rather it’s a natural effect of her personality and the circumstances of her upbringing. This goes beyond the traditional “gifted kid” narrative, or the idea that “Rory can’t take criticism.” I think a lot of Rory’s flaws are purposeful choices by the Gilmore Girls team to highlight how a person in her circumstances could evolve over time. It’s not always pretty, but it is at least a fun ride.
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I think Rory definitely felt like a mistake and thought she had to atone for that. Plus, it's odd that no one ever really seemed to want to hold Christopher accountable for the fact that he was an absent father to Rory. Lorelai rejected a proposal at 16 and Christopher took that as an invitation to be an absentee father. It's nice to hear a more compassionate take on Rory.
Yeah, there's even people who thing Lorelai should've ended up with Christopher like 🥴
I think Rory would've been an amazing events planner! She could have her own business just like her mom and she's essentially been exposed to that world since birth. It's too bad all the men in her life have convinced her that it's beneath her. Ultimately, she'll inherit the Dragonfly and maybe expand it.
Imagine if she has a daughter and names her Paris - and that child becomes a socialite...
Agree! She was great when she was running events for the D.A.R.
My only thought to do with Rory by the end of the revival was "wow, Amy really hates our generation" not the last line, I will stand by respecting the wants for the original ending. The way she handled April, Rory, and that "millenial club" the town tried to force Rory into just screamed to me how much she doesn't care for the young adults of today.
Not just the last line, Amy really tried to make the season 7 she wrote fit into today's world but it didn't work. That's why alot didn't really make sense. She did the fans a disservice by trying to get back at whoever let her go.
@ashleyrogers1930 Yes! The plot she planned no longer fit and Rory was too old for the storyline.
@@reneecoons5057 right! Like if she really wanted to stick to her storyline she could have made it make sense for like 10 years later. Where we see Rory has a baby with Logan, Jess became her Luke and then maybe do some flashbacks to catch her up. I don’t think anyone would have been mad because there was like a 10 year gap. We didn’t need a Luke and Lorelei wedding she could have done a vow renewal on the first episode if she really wanted us to see a wedding. It would have been cool to see Lorelei and Rory pop up with kids the same age or something, if we stuck with the plotting of her getting pregnant in season 7.
I agree … it felt like boomer writing a millennial … which is sad funny … Rory plot idea of realizing that job trajectory she made at as child , doesn’t work for the adult her is very relatable but the execution was terrible.
You blew my mind - I always racked up Rory Gilmore’s failing to “gifted child syndrome” but I never ever saw all of the ways that the rejection of her father from the start ties into how hard it is for her to face criticism. That completely changes the lens I view the show through. And yes I was the Hispanic Rory Gilmore wannabe but too poor and making way too many bad choices to ever get close to having her chances. I was embarrassed by the later shows and especially the Netflix special. 🤦🏻♀️
Your points about how Rory wouldn’t consider speaking out as an intern on Mitchum’s paper being directly related to him not getting that she is 1) Not A Huntzberger and 2) thoroughly socialized as a ~pleasant helpful cis girlie~ are so fresh to hear!! She and Paris often fall into the trap of “I did everything right, why didn’t I get what I expected?” and it’s definitely painful to watch that happen on screen when more of us do that irl than we’d like to admit. I think that’s part of why she idolizes Lorelei-she simply does not have that strong sense of self or ambition that helps to overcome that annoying cycle.
THAnk You for bringing up Mitcham Huntsberger. So many people totally miss the point.
little rant: I think its totally insane for any person in such a position of power and authority to be allowed to tell a short-term barely-adult intern that they don't "have it" to succeed in their respective industry. like, interns aren't there to get tested on whether they are going to make it or break it, or to decide the direction of their literal entire future. they are there because they are usually young, inexperienced and need to learn about an industry and working environment so that they can take the next step in the field, if they choose to. Some criticism/helpful feedback is fine, but I do not think in any world telling someone that they don't "have it" is remotely close to criticism or productive feedback. As you said, its a gross, misogynistic power move that would have crushed literally anyone. It is so clear Mitcham knew full well what effects his words would have on a young, vulnerable and impressionable 20 year old. I get that people don't have to be fans of Rory, but it drives me crazy the way that people seem to miss the whole point of this plotline.
thank you for saying this.. im by no means rory but i once had a very powerful man in the fashion industry tell me i wasn’t cut out for it and it stuck with me forever. why do men tbh- anyway, this comment made me feel valid for the pain i felt!! no young adult deserves this type of audacity at that point in their career.
But...Mitchum was right 😂 she didn't have it and I think he had enough experience with young people to "sniff" who has it and who doesn't. And Rory didn't have it, maybe her calling was to write a book about her and her mom
I see it more like Mitchum didn't want Rory to become the wife of the next Huntzberger heir. From the start, Logan's parents didn't like the idea of Rory being Logan's girlfriend.
@@OzmaOfOzz Even so he had to tell Rory in a more firm but determined way without his annoying arrogance that maybe she was more a writer than a journalist.
I used to resent Rory for getting opportunities I didn’t and making so little of it. (I got into Yale, not as a legacy, but my family couldn’t afford it)
Now a masters degree later, I feel like the ambition has been beaten out of me and I don’t have any desire to work, achieve, explore, which would be a shock to past me. Had no idea I could go from such a promising kid to a floundering adult. I know I’ll find my way eventually though, it’s just tougher than I thought it would be.
“Christopher Returns” 1x15 is one of my favorite episodes and the show definitely needed more episodes that explored the whole dynamic between Lorelai, Christopher, Rory, the Gilmores and the Haydens. I feel like Christopher is used way too much as a plot device or as foil to other Lorelai’s love interests and sometimes the writers forget he’s not just a guy in love with Lorelai since he was a teenager but Rory’s father. Yes, he’s inconsistent in her life but that absence should have been a way bigger subplot in itself.
2011 graduate here, I've never had a job for my masters, though many employers have used my MA skills for BA pay. Several times, I've taken either a job I didn't want, just because I need the money (and a reason to leave my home) other times I've taken fun, carefree jobs, with no education required. I'm still not in a place where I want to be, but like Rory, I've got skills all over the place.
Rory is one of us, people criticise because she's not leading the way from her place in fiction. The show doesn't show how anyone succeeds, it just shows financial anxiety and then success!
How the hell did the Dragonfly take off so fast? How did Paris become a CEO of her own company and a mother of two? Why are people giving Logan money...? At least Richard has a background of hard work and long hours. Emily is a powerhouse of an organiser. The show primarily does "tell, not show".
Also have a masters and I’ve had contract roles related to my masters but never have they asked me to present a degree. I also find it really difficult to find permanent roles. This video really did make me rethink Rory.
I actually really liked that they showed Rory not live up to everyone elses standards. Because that I can relate to. Plus it was meant to get people thinking. But I seriously can't excuse sleeping with married and engaged men. And then cheating on her partners. Those are very solid reasons to not like her in all honesty.
Yes but also Dean was to blame for convincing Rory that he'd break up wirh Lindsay. In the end, he wanted Rory even before marrying Lindsay. The saddest part is both Rory and Dean weren't destined to be together: Dean was a conformist and Jess and Logan had ambitions for their success.
I realized that most of the anti Rory commenters are a lot younger than I am. Of course folks wanted to see her succeed because they were projecting. I am Lorelei’s age and also stopped talking to my folks so I totally identified with her not Rory. Hmmm.
I really love that you defended Rory like that.
I always loved her and thought that many people are way to harsh on her.
Her breakdown I think was nessicary and what a lot of people seem to forget is, that she always had that side in her. She just never showed it towards her mum.
Some people seem to forget that she basically cheated on all of her boyfriends. She always had a bad temper, when she was annoyed.
The thing that I was bothered by the most, was when people said, they couldn't understand why the critizism of Mitchum broke her. I think those people never had performance pressure.
When I think about the people I admire (academically) and imagen that they say thing about me, like Mitchum did about Rory (even if they were true), I would probably cry for three days straigt.
And Rory admired Mitchum. She wanted to excell at that internship and she had a good feeling. Then being crushed like that, would hurt a lot.
I do understand that it can by quite annoying when people can't recognize their privileges. That's something that also annoyes me in my personal life. Both Rory and Lorelai aren't very good at realising how many priviliges they have.
But many people seem to forget, that a lot of Gilmore Girls characters have that flaw. It's not just Rory.
I could NEVER stand Christopher (or as I call him, Guy Smiley). I totally agree with your idea of his effect on Rory.
Thank you for bringing out the impact of Christopher and his family and the way they reject her. I think Lorelei and Stars Hollow and Richard and Emily’s spoiling her is partly a conscious attempt to make up for how nasty and rejecting the Hayden family is and how flaky and inconsistent Christopher is. People tend to let him off the hook all the time, probably because David Sutcliffe is a pretty pretty actor.
Oh and Rory does pretty well as a journalist after the 2009 crash and the collapse of the newspaper industry.
Hi, I love your analysis! Very well thought through.
My issue with the revival was that I had the feeling, that ASP wanted to force the plot points she had envisioned for 'her' season 7 in the revival, but they did not fit as well with the time passed. Like how could Lorelai and Luke, after the real season 7 and 9 years together just happen to think about kids and marriage? Also, at 32 with 9 years of working under the belt, becoming a single mother is not the same thing as right after college, as is the naive/entitled reactions to her work superiors. Those plot points feel forced.
I liked that Jess and her remained a slow simmer, analog to Luke and Lorelai.
agreed. They claimed they never talked about kids once in those 9-10 years, but they had already discussed kids (not in depth I admit) in the original series.
Agreed, especially about Lorelei and Luke. I was hoping to walk into the revival with them already married and either with kids already or having decided they didn’t want to try. Would even have been ok with visiting Paris the fertility specialist but after years of trying. Why force it just to have a wedding? There were other ways to be creative
@@johannabyrd5603 I read somewhere they really felt they had to give the fans a wedding. I feel like that could have been a flashback. Or had a brief "recap" or something at the start.
I remember watching with my father (when it first aired) the episode when Rory asks Logan to give her some data on his father so she can do better in the intership and at the end she gives Mitchum some coffee and gets invited to the meeting room. I was about Rory's age at that time, and I distictly remember my dad telling me, very dissappointed: "so that's how she's gonna make it? Play secretary?" I asked him what he meant and he told me: "If they hire you as a reporter, you act like a reporter, not a secretary, not an asistant, etc." So when Mitchum tells her the imfamous words: "you don't have it", it made sense to me.
A few years later, I was briefly a reporter myself and Mitchum was right, you have to jump at the oportunity everytime. I don't think it was misogynistic to call it like it was. On that note, I never quite understood why Rory wanted to be a journalist (I also think it was bad character development, but that's another story), and I thought that plot was the perfect oportunity to question what were her motivations, beyond a childhood dream, but it all came down to boring unnecessary drama.
He was definitely right. Its the reason why the worker that does everything never gets promoted and everyone is so surprised but its because they act like the company mom and never does any projects that are assets to the company they just do alot of what no one else wants to do
Same. It felt like the idea imprinted on her as a kid and she never questioned it. To me, it seemed like she'd be happier as a literature professor or an event planner.
I do see why Rory would think this way too as my younger self probably would have the thought the same way.
I respect that but Mitchum compares her to a paid employee who has a "place to speak" as it were. I completely agree that she should have, but I don't agree that it would be natural for her to assume that. As someone who's in a mentorship with younger students I make sure they understand their role and what I expect from them, because students will usually assume internships are their place to be quiet, follow orders, and do what they're told, and not insert themselves where they might not be wanted or offer opinions or criticisms that arent asked for, even tho that's how they'll develop themselves. Ive recieved negative feedback from doing that and asking questions and getting myself involved with projects, so I dont want that for them. While Im in science and research and journalism might not be the same, the scenario here seems similar. I think it shows when she's looking for a job after that being pushy got her to move further, and she had to learn that harshly with the experience with Mitchum.
I kinda wish Mitchum had called her out the way your dad did, but that's me being very precious about wording in a way Mitchum did not care to be. 😅
@@oliviaoconnor2201 Was his wording that harsh? I mean, he gives her honest feedback, he praises what she has shown to be her strengths, and if I recall correctly he tells her he may be wrong. I know Rory has been pampered and it's not used to criticism, but at the end of the day, he wasn't rude nor unnecessary rough. And if I may say so, she kinda prove he was right.
I have said this many times Rory was never meant to be a journalist, she was meant to be a writer and I like that ASP got to fix that in the revival because I think it was the plan the whole time.
I see Rory living in Stars Hollow with her kid, and being a writer with some success, maybe teaching at Chilton.
I find it very hard to believe that academic minded Rory would actually sneer at getting a Master's Degree like she did in AYITL. I think that was ASP's biases shining through again.
@@Evamarie41 I think she was just in a place where it felt like failure and that's why I think that having someone she had to take care of she would do it.
@@LauraSomeNumber they even showed she would make a good teacher. If the show continued, I think it would be a good move for her.
Kind of the updated Anne Shirley storyline
@@Evamarie41 getting a masters isn’t a guarantee though either
I started watching GG reruns when I was in college and Rory was at Yale. I feel the same because it was nice to relate to a girl who felt lost in college and made mistakes. I love Rory as a character. It was nice because during that time the only representation of college in media was just partying. I think the spring break episode is my favorite.
Came here to listen to soemthing to fall asleep to, GIRL YOU KEPT MY ATTENTION THIS IS WAS GOOD!!! Literally feeling mentally stimulated rn, but I need to sleep :)
You gave a very insightful observations that I agree with. Rory is smart and organized. However, she does have issues with abandonment and fear of criticism. I think that she works to be a perfectionist due to the circumstances surrounding her birth and how she was treated by her father's parents and her lack of a stable father figure.
Am I the only one that always felt like Rory never really wanted to be a journalist? I just never felt like that was who she was. Yes, she does have a curious nature and can devour book after book, she's a good writer and a great editor but an international correspondent?? I think that matches Lorelai's personality and what she might have done if she hadn't gotten pregnant with Rory. It's a track that would get her out of her house and away from her parents for good. I think Lorelai pushed for Harvard and that path for her to get to live out her dreams through Rory. And then that just became the story they kept telling over and over so she inevitably went down that path because she never could stand up to her mom as a teen.
I also think at the end of season 5 it was inevitable that Rory would move in with her grandparents. What else was she supposed to do? Lorelai said coming home to Stars Hollow wasn't an option, Emily and Richard weren't gonna turn her away. Realistically, where else would she have gone? I don't think they would have loved for her to move in with Logan, although that happens anyway. It always bothered me that Lorelai turned her away and then got upset when Rory took another path. Rory really needed support but I guess she also needed time away from her mom.
It’s ok to stop liking someone when they’ve changed. It’s not always that deep
Wow. This analysis is amazing I’ve genuinely never thought about Rory in this way, you successfully opened my mind to her.
I never hated her and disliked the criticism that chilton rory was some goddess while Yale Rory was the antichrist but your points of the misogyny and her insercurities being tied to her absent father is a perspective ive never thought about so deeply. Like you said the criticism of her being “spoiled” and “unable to take criticism” is probably because her desire to be in the world of privilege due to her wanting the acceptance of her father is never explicitly stated but it’s all there. You’ve actually blown my mind with this I am going to need 5 business days to process omg
Great analysis! I think you touch on a lot of points that aren't necessarily brought up enough. However, my main problem with Rory is revival Rory. I am one of the few who really enjoys season 7 and cuts it some slack since they had a lot of work to do to address the end of season 6 while also moving the storyline forward without knowing until later that it would be the final one.
However, revival Rory would have been easier to understand if this had been season 8 or even a couple of years into her twenties (the Paul thing in unforgivable in any timeline though) .... but to have her in her early 30s (my age btw, graduated in 2013) like this made it seem that Amy just threw in a lot of storylines she had for season 7 or maybe a season 8
Yes!! I've been saying this since 2016 - the biggest reason that the revival didn't work is that it was written to take place 2-3 years MAXIMUM after the end of the show. Rory's plot makes so much more sense if she's only 25. Lorelai's story makes more sense if she and Luke have been putting off their wedding for only a couple of years. ASP left it in a drawer for 10 years and then handed it over mostly unchanged without considering how such a long time gap should affect the story.
The only storyline that works is Emily's, because ASP was forced to rewrite whatever she had for her after Edward Herman died.
I liked your points. I never thought about her possibly having "daddy issues" but it makes sense. That being said, I dislike Rory,, because she's a serial cheater. She cheated on Dean with Jess, she cheated WITH Dean, when he was married, she cheated on Logan with Jess and then again, she cheated WITH Logan when he was engaged. That's a lot of cheating. But as for everything else, I understand that between her grandparents (who represent the "rich") treating her like princess and the whole town (who represent the "poor") treating her like princess, she was bound to do a lot of wrongs and be lost about who she is. But STILL being that way in her 30s was a bit weird
Thank you for this video!!
Rory should be a project manager nowadays, great companies as Google and IBM have project manager's teams. But maybe career transition would be a failure to her.
I feel like Rory didn't truly know who she was. If you look at her personality she does alot of copying her mom, this was brought out more in the scene where she was in the back room of her grandparents wedding and repeated the line Lorelai used on Christopher. Her mom had been hammering Harvard into her head since she was born and I'm sure becoming a journalist came from her. Everyone in her life convinced her that she was of elite intelligence but when she got to Yale and wasn't doing well in a class she melted down, same with the scenario with Mitchum. The people around her created an identity for her that was impossible to live up to. Jess is the only person who really saw who Rory was which is why we saw her go back to Yale after he challenged her and why she wrote the book after he gave her the idea. He didn't put her on a pedestal but he knew she was smart and had alot of potential.
Preachh!! ❤
I related to Rory growing up, and then when I rewatched in college and saw her messiness... I related to her even more. I think it's very easy to criticize her because of her privileged background, but her flaws (deep insecurity, feeling like she's a failure, not fitting in anywhere) are not magically solved because your grandparents have money and are part of the elite. You're totally right about her having a fragile sense of self.
Lorelai is a very intense person, and it's easy for Rory to just go along with who she is. Paris is the same. I think between her father leaving, her being "too smart" for average people but not such a brilliant mind that she's immediately accepted by the academic elite. From a family with prestige but illegitimate, so both underprivileged and overprivileged people look at her with disdain. She strikes me as seeing herself as the main character because it reflects what she's read; she's just trying to mimic another role. I think that's what Jess relates to and gets frustrated by: he sees her as another outsider, but she refuses to accept the rejection like he has. Not saying she shouldn't try to find her niche, but she never accepts she's other so she never works through it.
It seems like by the end of the special she has finally accepted that she isn't going to fit into the picture that everyone envisioned for her because that picture is stifling. I don't think she wanted to succeed for an end goal, she wanted to succeed because she was smart and that's what was expected of her. So once she checks those checkboxes she expects it all to just work out and it doesn't. And she lacks the extra bit of drive (like working for something "below" her) because she doesn't truly want it. Her writing and finishing her book speaks volumes, because it finally seems like she wanted what she was doing. She had an internal drive outside of meeting expectations.
Rory isn't perfect, but I find that relatable (even while it can be irritating). It feels like "hey, if Rory Gilmore with her money and privilege can't get it together, maybe don't feel so bad if you can't either". Her finding a new path and trying is a great lesson in understanding yourself.
Mitchum getting to Rory, and all the stuff with Logan, stealing boat etc, and then leaving Yale, I understand. Rory going back to a married Dean I can not understand, and can not defend. That "woman's wrong" actively hurt another woman too. Becoming Logan's mistress I can kinda understand why she became that way, viewing Logan's fiance as more of a business decision. Sleeping with a wookie - not the worst thing. But then continuously forgetting about Paul to the most extreme extent was bizarre!
And then in the revival, not being prepared for her interview with the Buzzfeed parody was very short-sighted of Rory, but okay I can understand it. Not being able to find jobs is relatable too. But to refuse an offer to work at Chilton, can not relate, although that is a behaviour of someone who has the security of a trust fund, and 2 possible homes to stay in, not worry about food etc. That can't be true for the other Stars Hollow millennial club folks though, and Rory looked down on them too. Rory still lacks a serious amount of self-awareness too. Jess is someone who admittedly does get her, but she doesn't seem understand how much he cares about Rory either (young Jess is probably there to blame though, he did scar Rory a lot).
Basically, Rory being lost in life and having no direction makes sense. The cheating and her intact air of superiority after a 10-year jump? eh, not so much.
this completely changed my perspective
I really liked your perspective on this. I think one of the reasons the show resonates is because a lot of the emotions and uncertainty that Rory goes through is very relatable - I think most people in their teens and 20s struggle with feelings of inadequacy, are learning to build self-confidence, and are trying to figure out how to take care of themselves. I think people hate Rory because they see themselves in her struggles, and then they see her make really bad decisions because of them - however of course she makes bad decisions because it's a tv show and has to be entertaining, and a lot of people make bad decisions too
I wrote an article about gilmore girls and I realised while writing it that I wasn't pro-rory. But this take on the 2007-2008 situation, as well as the daddy issues is a great point. I really enjoyed this take on it.
Also, as far as Rory cheating goes, I can wrap my head around it, speaking as someone who was cheated on and had a lot of hatred for the other woman that I had to work through, which made Rory’s decisions hard to watch the first time through. I think we forget that in addition to being so lost and alone and the vulnerable place that put her in, Dean also manipulated her by saying it was over with Lindsey and instigated it when he knew she didn’t have a lot of defenses up or strong presence of mind. Did sleeping with Dean make her a fundamentally bad person? No. Sloppy and shortsighted and selfish? Absolutely. But who hasn’t done something selfish to find comfort in a moment of quiet desperation?
That said, the later cheating throughout the show is pretty incomprehensible and inexcusable. Justice for Paul
Also. Would’ve been nice to see Rory try to make things right after the fact. A real apology to Lindsey, some soul searching. My beef with Rory isn’t the mistake itself but her failure to try to resolve it after the fact
I think an other problem was that Rory NEVER had an other dream then being a journalist. Seemingly since she was a little child, everything she did, all the hours of school work, not to mention a big part of her sense of self was wrapped up in that one dream. So her just braking down when an person she admires so much told her she couldn't do it, feels very understandable to me.
in the episode Dear richard & emily, we see that lorelai didn't want christopher to stick around and raise the baby.
I relate to Rory's sensitivity to criticism and validation. At 32, despite trying to constantly address it, the only thing that's resolved my father wound is therapy. It's a shame that they make fun of therapy twice or thrice in the show and then never bring it up again. If we could've seen Rory in therapy in AYITL, we could've been left with the feeling that perhaps she can put an end to the cycle or at least minimize the negative effects that her child stands to inherit due to the highly similar upbringing circumstances.
As a masters in social work student: this is the take i have been looking for!!! So many videos about Rory being this “failure” of a gifted child because her career didn’t have the trajectory viewers had hoped. I love that you really pointed out that Rory was born out of wedlock. In the past in wealthy families such as the Gilmores , children out of wedlock had no claim to the fortune or family name. It’s not a topic that comes up much in 2024 but was major to understanding family dynamics back in the day. Which would explain a lot of the relationships on the show including Strobe and Francine
25:38 I think it’s less about Richard’s misogyny and more that he saw himself in Rory when he never could in Lorelai. So when Rory strays from the path he deems acceptable, it’s like seeing the Lorelai train wreck all over again. That’s why he loses it so badly when he catches Logan staying the night. He doesn’t want Rory to end up pregnant like her mom.
yes this is spot on
Ooh this one is so good. You deserve more subscribers!!!
Oh thank you! ☺️
i feel like the people who judge rory and how she turned out in the revival are in their early 20s.. how can you realistically expect somebody to be all they were meant to be at 16 when they turn 30 something? they're on course for a rude wake up call..
Although it’s called the Gilmore girls, the show is ultimately told from Rory’s perspective. That’s why there’s immaturity and unresolved issues about relationships. How she doesn’t deal with rejection and know how to bounce back. The never dove into Lorelei’s relationships and how to grow/get over it because Lorelei never told/taught Rory how to deal with it. That’s why we never see deeper character development other than Rory. It’s about her and her view on her life.
Your make-up really is lovely. This is such an interesting take on Rory. As in, her inability to take criticism isn't just because she's been told she's the golden child all these years (though that probably didn't help) but everything else around her with her circumstance and expectations. More purposeful choices than we realized!
I feel seen. Gilmore Girl fan graduated in 2007 and complicated feelings about season 6 Rory=that's me! 😅 Thx for the awesome content. ❤
Yes, yes, yes, thank you for these wonderful points!!! "Cut her some slack"
i always was pro-Rory, but damn she's really unsufferable in the revival. she's snobby, has a very questionable morales and think too highly of herself. like when she turned down SandeeSays because she obviously thought it's too small for her. or when she tried to bad-mouthing that woman that wanted to do her biography but in reality she was just a bad writer who didn't know how to do her job - for heaven's sake, Rory didn't even tried to pitch to her some ideas, she just kept throwing around a very blunt ideas on what a 'biography' should be. no wonder she didn't succeed. i used to think her downfall was because of circumstances but no, she literally has no other excuses than her shitty personality. it's sad they ruined her character like that, at least in the original series her character was likable even in questionable situations
I think when everyone grows up we all do questionable things in life. I think Rory life was realistic and to me the struggle to find a job at 32 or any older is hard. I maybe a lot older then you but I have done stuff that was unquestionable. But if Rory was perfect and didn't do anything wrong through out the show it would be very boring.
This is chef’s kiss. No notes, just flowers.
I appreciate your take on things. I think people who loved these characters on first watch somehow felt let down with the characters being messy, more real people. And it's easy to judge others lives. I enjoyed the show with all of its flaws. I learned from it the first watch through and learned from it from my rewatches Like I learned that Lane's family was in High Control group/cult after watching it again, with shunning and everything else. But, I think most people want the happily ever after for a show like this, but Amy Paladino' doesnt write like that. So no expectations and there will be no disappointments.
I need this analysis on the sex and the city characters lol
I remember being so exhausted with the people that endlessly analyzed the Zapruder film and talked about the grassy knoll… then Rory Gilmore happened, and the real fanatics showed up. ;-)
She absolutely fell into the trap of “this is what I always said I wanted to do so this is what I need to be.” It’s clear she was intelligent, a compelling writer, and very capable as a project manager but a journalist? Not quite. Every time she pivoted (going to Yale instead of Harvard, writing a book instead of pursuing journalism) it was at someone else’s prompting. She has blinders on but she’s so real for that.
Also, there’s this weird dichotomy when it comes to criticism of Rory. She is both miss Perfect Mary Sue Rory while at the same time being a spoiled train wreck. To me, she was an above average kid who’s community was very supportive of her but had to adjust to a world that asked way more of her. Of course, her family would hype her up that’s what family does lol
well said
You hit the nail on the perfectly specially in season 6.
Brilliant discussion! I don't like all her choices but I don't understand the venom she gets
Anderson Cooper’s mom is GLORIA VANDERBILT???
No I was also gagged
I very much agree!!
I hate how Dean got off the hook for cheating on Lindsey. Rory got all the backlash. But this video kinda made me realize that Rory is a realistic character
such a good video, i love your perspective!
i don't have much to say but this video is excellent and i'm surprised by how little views it has, so here's a little bump :) i literally have not watched 3/4 of gilmore girls and havent thought about it in years but this really hooked me. keep it up!
just as an aside, a channel called T.A.G watches them out of order, so if you ever want a light one shot, he's pretty funny 🤭
I graduated college in 2020 and I don’t even use my degree. I’m a flight attendant and I bartend part time 😂😂
Hey, fourth Gilmore Girl! 😊 I think you nailed it! I have been wondering for a while, why there is so much hate for Rory, while she is so relatable, also in her weaknesses. In my opinion she is a typical millennial (I say that as a millennial myself). Very true what you said about the context, the job market etc. While there are a lot of things I don't like about the revival (like the musical, the Paul story and so on), the way Rory turns out to be lost somehow is something I find very convincing. Everything you said about her fear of rejection and her traumas is so true. I don't get why people can't sympathize. Maybe it is indeed a generational thing. Many of the analysts on CZcams and Tiktok belong to GenZ. In my opinion the GG feeling and everything Rory faces meets the overall millennial generational feeling very well. I would like to add, that she is also a typical young girl in the way she perceives herself as the centre of the world. Young people, especially pretty, talented people, who are very successful at school, tend to think of themselves as "special", that's just normal. Then, of course, when you are out in the real world for the first time, you realize, that there are billions of people in that world, amongst them a lot of talented, pretty girls. And also a lot of people even more talented and prettier than yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, as there is a difference between being "unique" (which everyone in that world is in their own way) and being "special". To be "special" means to be better than the mass of the others. I think, GG is just extraordinary storywriting.
I don't think it's a millennial thing. The economy has been going rapidly downhill in many countries for a few years now but especially exacerbated by the pandemic. Having finished college in this environment, it's been very hard for me and my batchmates to find proper jobs. The computer science students who did get jobs quicker than some of us got hit hard by all the lay offs. I'm very much in the stuck in a rut top student to failure in life pipeline too. So Rory's devolution actually makes a lot of sense to me on paper.
I do think the show didn't _write_ it as well as they could have and that's where the failing lies. Ultimately, GG is a show with a light breezy tone that does occasionally get more real, so either Rory should have got herself out of her rut more quickly in a more feel-good way OR the show should have fully committed to the depression and gone darker before ending positively. If that makes sense? Idk I kind of felt like Rory's rut didn't feel as real as it should have because the writing didn't fully commit to the arc.
Still appreciate the attempt at women's wrongs though. The downfall of Rory essays were getting tiring. Especially because those essays are usually also about how Logan isn't bad actually and they deserved each other (problematic) because I will never enjoy watching a billionaire failson unless they're on Succession, sorry not sorry.
@@roadrollerdio565Concerning the question of wether this is a generational thing or not, maybe you are right. I was just guesstimating and judging from my German perspective too much, probably. In the 2000s when I graduated from university, the job market used to be a catastrophe. Even with top grades you received so much rejection from possible employers that it really had to get to you. Nowadays, while Germany faces mild regression economically, due to the demographic situation, young graduates have still a much easier time finding a job and they can even, to some extent, dictate conditions (of course there are differences depending on the specific field you are in).
Concerning the writing of GG, I disagree with your view. I have a feeling, that Rory's character development with all the mistakes she is making, is very intentional. At least that's my impression. It is true, the show tries to keep it light and good-natured, but the character development (in the good and in the bad sense) just makes too much sense to be a random thing.
Rorys development is honestly so disappointing to watch, but yes, your points are all really good, valid and an impressive deep dive. I never considered that people might just be somehow weak and therefore not really able to work hard and succeed in the way others do it. I like your take on this topic, as it gives Rory some more depth and makes her, for me not more relateable but at least easier to understand.
In general I find it kind of funny, how this show was an easy and light thing to watch, but the more often I watch it, the more it gets deep and psychological and shows more and more sides of the characters involved. Other shows are obvious with their characters and relations but Gilmore Girls is different and I like it. I don´t watch Gilmore Girls for comfort any more, but when I need a more relateable and realistic story. Also, thought, I really cannot relate to Rory in later seasons, I adore Lorelai and her character development a lot, because I am more like her.
I like your point of view about Rory. It bugs me how everyone wants her to be a saint. Like good writing of a TV show equals creating a saintly role model. The show is excellently written because all the characters are well drawn, and so they fail, and you totally get why they fail! In that vein, I wish that more CZcamsr would analyse the writing of her character instead of her character.
Loved your video!! Instantly subscribed
I also think that the reason people are so harsh to criticize her is because of how real it is for people not become something of themselves. As an upcoming graduate for my BA this June, I’ve found myself thinking of this.
Hi, I liked your video, and still enjoy the show, but I don't think that the Gilmores and the Lukes are such good people overall, and they don't need to be. They are just people, so Rory is not a perfectly good person. She admits it herself after the crash. By season two, she was already unsure when to end a relationship, using and cheating on her boyfriend. So, there's no real downfall; that's who she was. She simply never changed for the better (or in morally accepted ways). In the revival, she is worse in those aspects because she does all those things cynically by that time. Despite that, I didn't judge her harshly throughout the series, and I still like her. I just wouldn't want her as a partner or the partner of a friend, and I wouldn't give her a pass as a truly good person. She just isn't. By 30, your flaws are your responsibility. I think supporting women's rights is not denying their faults.
Her professional failure lies in her expectations. She wasn't cut out to be a war correspondent. She has the money and the trust funds; she doesn't need to have conventional work. She could be writing on her own and traveling the world, not just to England to visit her lover. She needs a therapist to tell her that she is not a failure. I don't think she is a victim of the times. She is not one of us commoners; she has resources and connections. Crisis times are times of opportunities for people with money. She could have funded her own internet emporium or printed medium, just as Paris did with her business. She had a trauma of belonging and using those resources but used them anyways, just half-heartedly. She was not a Huntzberger but was a Gilmore and a Hayden. Christian offered to buy her a castle; her grandparents donated a building in her name at Yale. If she had it in her, she could have tried to open a newspaper or a magazine. It wasn't guaranteed that she would have succeeded, but she would have tried and could have tried several times more. People with fewer resources in that same universe started their own business (Jess, her mom). She just didn't have it, like Mitchum said.
Still, she is not a failure. She is a good writer, has been working in her field for nine years, and has written for The New Yorker. She lacks initiative, and that's fine. The novel she started writing in the revival was not her idea; it never occurred to her. It was something someone else suggested to her. It was the comfortable path to take. If the novel is not acclaimed, I doubt she would feel fulfilled. She is not a failure; she is just an average writer, and that is fine. She is a failure just because she wanted to be an award-winning one.
How dare you say that about Libras😂😂😂 I'm offended
I've watched a million think piece video essays on gilmore girls and about Rory's downfall but no one has ever talked about the real world circumstances like a recession, rejection sensitivity and criticism and I never considered that so thanks for having a different angle on it, i think this video is more raw and accurate to real life e também você falou que seu irmão estava gritando em português, você fala tbm?
Sim sim!! Posso entender mais que falar mas tou a practicar com meu amigo Duolingo 😂
@@NeidaTeresa Aí que legal, vc é de uma país que fala português ou só tá aprendendo pq vc quer? E continue vc vai conseguir!! eu recomendo assistir series, ouvir música e ler em português pra te ajudar:))
heyyy girl, idk if i lost something or not but i was wondering if you read ACOSF
i saw your videos on the previous acotar books and nesta had always been my favorite too, i was really curious about your opinions on her book…
I am perpetually 76% of the way through ACOSF 😭 I saw the writing on the wall for where nestas character was going and I had to run away! I’ll get back into it soon though 😪
@@NeidaTeresa i get it lol 😭 i somehow read all of it in 1 sitting (literally didnt sleep at all)
my poor little 14 year old brain should not have been exposed to that atp
i tried to reread it this year and got stuck at like 40%
Listen, I think ALL of the Gilmore Girls are monsters, but that's what makes the show so much fun to watch. I feel like no one gets me when I say that , but I mean it!😫 I watched the show through, and how Rory ended up is not as at odds to who she was in season 1 as people act like it is. Couple that with everything else you mention, I think where she ended up in the revival is not a surprise at all. Mitchum WAS right about her, and she was stupid not to marry Logan and build her career the nepotism way. She would've killed it as a nepo baby (or nepo wife, I guess). That is the only thing that I am angry about her for. That is literally the only thing she has ever done wrong. Ever.
Also, if you want a fantastic wine cocktail, the call me a cab is my favorite, and if you pour it right, it's visually fun, too. Layer 1 is vodka and lemonade (I like this over ice, but I guess you don't NEED ice). Then pour a red wine (the recipe calls for a cab sav, but I prefer merlot) over the back of a bar spoon to make it "float" on top of the vodka lemonade mix. Oo and aww over the way it looks, and then stir everything together, unless you want to get a mouthful of wine before you get to the lemonade vodka. Which is totally valid, but I like it all mixed up. If you try it, tell me what you think.
This was such a well thought out insight into Rory's character!
Great video!!! More Gilmore girls content 🎉🎉
Wait, yall still do that “I support womens’ wrongs!” thing? I thought it was a meme…
Bc I don’t support getting working women of color fired from their jobs, body-shaming, cheating on every partner, etc.
I watched this show as a high school senior and finished watching it in college. And my life hasn’t gone the way I wanted, that is relatable. However, the whole time I was watching, I still looked at most of these characters through the lens of being a minority and indulging in this cozy autumnal fantasy. And there are moments the fantasy breaks and I roll my eyes at these conventionally pretty white women.
I agree! I definitely didn't hate Rory, but as someone who was cheated on by a husband, it hurts! I loved that she wasn't super successful. Its the cheating on why I don't really like her.
@@haileymarie7866 yeah like being the same age as these sorts of character when watching them at the time, it's one thing to say "I would never make these mistakes" but totally another to recognize huge differences in class, privilege, and moral values.
Like how Rory felt when she was rejected by the Huntzbergers. That was a specific clash of perceptions: her perception, however subconscious, that she has social value due to her family name... at odds with the Huntzbergers' perception that she is unworthy. My gay ass is not and was not worried about going over some guy's place to impress his parents, not at 15 or 18 or 20. For most of us, we don't meet people's family ever-the rejection and social outcasting is built into the Gay Software.
fantastic commentary.
Lorelai is an aquarius and you cannot change my mind, but I always felt like she had a taurus moon
This is really thoughtful
This is a great analysis
Okayyyyy fair! 🥺
Totally A Gilmore junkie... Great analysis
lol 😂 her being a Libra makes sense
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15:03 LMAOOO
I think you’re wrong i’ve been told most of my life that I will not go anywhere and guess what I don’t listen to those people and just because one person tells me that I’m not gonna go anywhere doesn’t mean that I’m going to listen to them sorry but you’re wrong. Thank you for being wrong, she didn’t have to. She wanted to know a lot of people who are successful who never quit college at all who have actual jobs and successful after they’ve gotten out of college stop defending Rory. She’s not good at all.
Supporting women’s wrongs? Is that a thing? I didn’t agree to that. I support people.
I’m glad there isn’t a record of the mistakes I’ve made because that’s all people would see about me…which is understandable because that’s sometimes all I see about myself.
Ma'am it's just a phrase
Something I like about Rory is that she is a realistic character who makes mistakes. I think that bothers people. She also owns up to those mistakes in her own way. For example, a common criticism is that she cheated on and with Dean. This is definitely hurtful. She apologizes to Dean, and she also later reflects on this later in the show in college when Paris is cheating on Jamie with the professor because she understands how hurt Jamie would be and that Paris is making the same mistake.
I think this show in general does something different that others don't, which is show "round about" progress in a character, because humans don't instantly grow from experiences. But most shows are abrupt drama. Another common critique is that Rory didn't succeed-how so? Her goal was to become a journalist. She did that as a reporter at the end of a show reporting for a future president.