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This is the first time I’ve heard men say they could care less about how long it takes women to speak out. Very mature. 💯
Mannn don’t ever put Michael Jackson in these conversations. I’m disappointed for that
Agreed
Why would a grown man be in the bed with little kids that's aren't biological yours 😂 My question.is would you feel comfortable with your kids being in the bed with him?
@@brettthomas6327 Why would parents allow their children to sleep in another man's bed??? They preyed on Michael's naivety and niceness because they knew Michael had a hard time saying no when it came to children.
@@madmann1000You wild for that comment.. Nothing to pray on if he wasn’t out of pocket in the first place.
This is by far the most adult and well thought about conversation, I have witnessed on CZcams concerning this whole P. Diddy matter. Well done Guys
Right, Ashley? This gave me a little hope.😊
He's not a target....he brought this on himself!!! if he did it once the odds are he did it twice...period!!
This is the most intellectual and real conversation about the Diddy case I've heard on a podcast.
Agreed. I stumbled upon this, and I'm happy I did. Love seeing Black men speak as fathers, and men holding each other accountable. Nobody is touching this conversation and especially not in this way.
I hate when people mention Michael Jackson in these convos
Why? He was sleeping with little boys drinking milk and eating cookies
I hate that people still think he was Innocent!! Like there was only 1 or 2 accusers!! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@EricK-ir8np 👍🏾
All his accusers recanted their statements. Saying they were forced to say he did something to them
@@CwboyFWYTB I’m fully aware!! Don’t care!! His own sister said he did it, but then she recanted her statement! Sleeping in the bed with kids that ain’t yours?? Holding hands etc!! Yeah he was GUILTY!! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Crowders face 😂😂😂😂
That Jackie hoody fire!!!
Why did Michael Jackson name come up? 😅 He beat the false allegations.
But public opinion he's still guilty sad😢
He beat the charges yeah ...but why did Michael Jackson have naked pictures of children with clouds covering there private in his studio in the Martin Bashir interview..I didn't see no Diana Ross pictures..wake up!
Because there are morons that still go by headlines, never mind it was an obvious sabatoge by Sony
Even Prince spoke on it
Don’t change the fact that he was accused
@Paid to make it go away
I truly enjoy this podcast. The discussions, especially this one are always based on logical thinking and not emotional, yet accepting and validating the emotions of others. You three are intelligent and funny.
He didnt let the evidence play out in court bc she dropped names and there would be subpoenas everywhere. She gave enough detail that could be supported that he had to pay her. The other cases may not have been as strong as cassie's to prove so he can fight them. Plus, if he wants to salvage his kid's inheritance, he will have to fight. His companies force him to step out of position cause they will have to pay out too.
Thank you for allowing us to hear this caliber of man thought and perspective on the Diddy case.
Oj stay catchin strays😂
Aye man He said “Yep. A lot of showers everyday” 💀 come on 😂😩
Don’t always agree with Ryan but the man is a TRUE class act, and was one heck of a force on the gridiron
I really love this podcast!!! They have intelligent conversations!
Black excellence for sure 👊🏿👊🏿
Channing. Like the Saw movie... hahahaha I love how He said, "if you take advantage and hurt any living thing" love ....
I appreciate the convo but I dislike when people say they have a daughter, it makes them responsible , so if you had sons, it wouldn’t matter?
No, but it makes reality hit harder because your raising young women. If you have boys, or even no kids at all, sometimes it's just natural to not have the same connection as you would if they're your actual children.
@@kingjamesiv954it should not hit harder when you have a daughter but you’ve had a mother or sisters this whole time 🤷🏾♀️
You'd still have a stronger conviction with it being your kids
A lot of dudes who has kids be the one, so saying "I have kids" don't mean nothing.
😂 cockroach thinking
Love the hoodie RC!!
"In a saw movie" 😂😂😂
I was raped by my dad and blocked it out for years and years and so for RYAN CLARK to say he doesn’t care how long it has been . THANK YOU for that .. people don’t understand the brain and trauma and how at least in my case I disassociated from it .. there needs to be NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS !! My dad was black out drunk the 3 times he did it and became sober later in life when I confronted him and he denied it and so I left all of them .. it is the hardest thing to live with period .. I am 56 and it happened when I was 15 and 16. MOST of us won’t want to go through the whole thing again to put someone in jail or sue or whatever .. because it is with us 24/7 again .. this is why most women that say something .. especially if there is more than one accusation are being TRUTHFUL ..
Amen 🙏 lock em all up
Does anyone sense a bit of hesitation to call a spade a spade? Do any of them seem to be extremely careful about what and how they say what they say?
I was like LAAAWWD wth is y’all sayingggg? 😩😵💫 Channing was the only one that got close with the drive by shooting analogy
I think that's called being "measured" because you don't have all the facts. A huge problem with this "opinion culture we're in is we always feel the need to come to a conclusion or form a definitive opinion about something even if we dont have all the info. This is how you responsibly talk about something u feel strongly about while acknowledging u don't have all the facts.
@@andreparks9908 mmm no, RC rambled in the beginning. I appreciate where he got to eventually but it was more air than cake. That’s not “measured” lol, that is dancing. Plenty people in media have weighed in without bias or conclusion and were very concise. If this had been a regular degular Joe, they opinion woulda be HARRD aF. They holding out for the chance they may have to see this man at an event lol
@simonsez1787 what you called rambling was CONTEXT. It was clear linear logic. For whatever reason, people seemed to have forgotten that 2 things can be true at once. What yall want is people to be super binary where everything is either/or and that ain't real life. Now all that said, how bout he was just avoiding defamation of character??? Again, if you can't prove it to be true, u probably shouldn't be out here trying to stand on it without facts....regular joe or celebrity, speak on what you KNOW.
@@andreparks9908 oh gosh…. 🙄😂. Stop. You let go and I’ll let go too.
Make him take multiple showers per day 😂..
We should have that energy for Kobe Bryant as well
#Cassie has more balls than any of them, and California has extended this law until 2026
Cassie is a call girl 👀👀💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
DeShawn Watson you had him guilty because so many victims came up, but you don't got same energy for Diddy
We don’t come forward for years out of fear and pain that we went through a period of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, etc. not knowing if I would be believed. I finally spoke up years later. So glad I did.
Cassie didn’t just sue Diddy she sued everyone connected so somewhere down the line the other people and law team said if Cassie goes to court and wins you all might be going to jail.
What a great conversation to sit in on and hear. ✨#Imafan
Aye, Leave MJ tf outta this lmao
Ryan car gon blow up on accident 😂😂😂😂 diddy keep receipts he just tryin not to get rkelly'd right now.
Leave MJ out of this
Yup
📌 There is No statue of limitations on Rape in NYS.
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I commend them for having this conversation.
Thank you Ryan for truth! You guilty of rape and beating Cassie, you should be in jail!!!!
I love the Pivot!!!
Literally everyday somebody accusing him
what great men
🔬Messing with honeycomb🍯🍯 you wine up Gay, Dead or Broke🔬
Ryan did all that pre text to say something so melancholy.
That’s his MO lol
Did mike settle out of court for any of his cases? Cause to me, theres a difference between accused, and convicted or settled
Michael Jackson definitely settled the first case and fought the other allegations to acquital.
One of his former lawyers gave an interview and said the only reason why he settled the first case was because his lawyers at the time counseled him to settle because he can make that money back and he listened to them but then that fed the sharks afterwards.
MJ settled with more than one accuser but if you read the details on the cases you’ll come to your own conclusions
Im in agreement with MJ being still mentioned in situations like Diddy. I believe MJ is always mentioned by whomever because of the allegations piece, but when one is exonerated, one should NEVER BE MENTIONED in similarities. Still a fan of the Pivot, played ball and a fan of football.
The Pivot of this all is…why didn’t he counter sue for “defamation of character” against Cassie❓To me that says it all. There was no fight whatsoever. To me that’s guilt bc he KNEW something if not ALL of what she depicted was in fact TRUE‼️ He knew he wouldn’t win. She was specific and had dropped a lot of ppl names in there so there were proof beyond what was needed for factual documentation.
Because it's easier to make it go away with money!!!
The allegations where damaging enough, to unveil his disgusting nature!!
Defamation suit would've opened pandoras box and when the legal discovery happened all hell would've broke loose!!
Because Cassie is only going to get $2-3 million once it’s said and done and the parent label (Sony I believe) will recoup the just of the money the lawyers will split $10 million and Diddy will get $3 for himself and another $3 for BadBoy
NASTY WORK
People have already made up their minds what side they going to pick
Listen multiple people ain’t telling the same lie. Maybe they have added extra but there is a lot of truth. There should not be a limit on when you can speak. It takes people years to get the strength to speak about things. There are things at 40 I’ve now been able to share with other young women to help them. I was disgusted reading the affidavit. A lot makes sense. I feel like the proof needs to be laid out bluntly to the world. We need to be knocked upside the head Frfr. This world is about money and power. People are doing some crazy things. But we’re obsessed with the fake image we have of them.
The court of popular opinion on social media doesn’t matter.
It matters in business. Consumer opinion affects branding and profit, which is why Diddy was dropped from Revolt and other co
Y'all saying leave Michael out of this 😐😐👀👀 y'all the same ones that still play Rkelly songs
KNOWING that them songs about little girls
Lot off 🚿showers 😜😜
Make me 😢
Nice shirt eeeow ❤. Unfortunately women are not viewed as human beings anymore!
When allegations are wrong, there is no stiff penalty for the women it just goes away
How Ryan even get in the league
Ppl Have been Saying This things for YRS. PNASTY HAS BEEN SUED BEFORE CASSIE
I appreciate a male speaking on this topic .. We need to educate ourselves more so these victims to free free and not judged when exposing the truth
My only issue with these topics is the way everyone only thinks SA only happens to females. The samething is happening to the men in these stories now think if it takes women along time to finally speak their truth, imagine a man. Ppl lets just keep tye same energy for everyone male or female
MJ should not be talked about in a negative dialog
You hear these sell outs talking lightly about Diddy, but for DeShawn Watson, rkelly, tory lanes
Everybody making this seem like it’s so simple. They know in the 90s from the freak down in Houston and places like that what they have freaking needs they just don’t go away they just get a different spend on it so they was already used to live in that lifestyle in the 90s And when you start doing that 90s behavior in the future is a no no because people know better now they know what that mean now back then when they was doing it no one felt like it was wrong you know the girls come down there they dress, sexy and a lot of stuff happened down there. They don’t wants to talk about with the freak, so everybody has these parties not just puff he just getting caught but that behavior was anybody old and if you’re young, I advise you not to be hanging around older people because they live a lifestyle that you’re not accustomed to These kids be so ready to be in a celebrity and you stepping into a world where people have already got behaviors from people from the 50s till now and you round these people without your parent and you’re going off at 1415 16,17 years old and you around behaviors that you don’t understand and you want to be a celebrity so bad that you agree to it would she not be doing this if the pandemic happened and now no one has no money now everybody’s drawing straws to put blame and get money so they can take care of their self now I’m just saying it’s crazy you wait all these years to prosecute
Please don’t mention Michael Jackson with this nonsense from Puffy and RKelly.
I just don’t believe she went far enough to get real justice. All the shit he put her through a few dollars out of his billions won’t heal that
Seeking criminal justice was not a viable option for her because the burden of proof is greater in criminal court. Due to the time lapse, there would be no physical evidence for her to produce to meet that burden of proof. The burden of proof required for a lawsuit is lesser which is why she chose that path. Fun fact: Only about 6% of rapists ever spend a day in jail. Understand that the odds of a reported rape even going to trial is low, even lower when the accused has power and influence. It is the very reason that so many choose not to go to the police. The criminal justice system for rape victims is not built to operate in their favour. Of course, the laws were written by men. I’m not sure why so many (especially men) choose to be obtuse about this fact. It’s like when white people believe that the criminal justice system is fair for “everyone” when we all know that the black experience in the criminal justice system is far different to those who are white and even more different for those who are poor.
That being said, Diddy had the opportunity to go to court and defend himself but chose not to.
@@saphire2214 oh we definitely agree I’m just saying criminal justice wasn’t the only form of justice outside of just the civil suit. I believe she has some real hardcore evidence that if it would’ve seen the light it would’ve brought his entire empire to its knees. I just wish she would’ve held out longer and let more leak out before allowing him to settle or hell even force him to trial
Who are you to decide what make her heal why do we keep making our thoughts be for hurt people... unless it happened to you or someone close to you.... you don't get...you listen you let them speak and when they decide you say OK am with you ok what are we doing next... that's what I did just be there and not make it worst ok because they're still in pain and hurting
1, is so close to none. 4 5 6, means your ass is in the mix.
Who is this person?
Y’all stop talking about this sh!t through a lens of, “well I have a daughter or (daughters).” I don’t have any kids….throw him under the damn jail! Better yet put him in general population without preferential treatment. I don’t need to have kids to want these predators off the streets, doing the toughest time possible!
$30M
Is there proof yet or are we still discussing public opinion? Just asking
I don't believe you going back 50 years in someone past to bring up anything
I agree with what the hosts said but it makes me question at what point do these celebrities hold other celebrities accountable.
They have had Charlagmagne on their podcast and he is an individual who has an allegation against him from a woman who has bravely spoken about what she alledges he did to her when she was 15. Charlagmagne has even laughed and joked on air about putting Spanish fly in women's drinks, which is what that young women alledges he did to her. Yet people sit there and laugh and joke with him. In my opinion this is why people like P Diddy are able to continue their disgusting behaviour for so long. Because people in the industry continue working with them and turn a blind eye to what im sure a lot are aware is going on.
As someone who knows Cassie, she always had lip cuts, black eyes and marks on her wrists and bruises on her arms and shoulders. She wore heavy coverage foundation all the time. I know she was addicted to all the pills he pushed down her throat. She overcame that.
.....She, by and large, chose to stay because in her mind, the benefits outweighed the negatives. The lifestyle, the money, the gifts, the parties... The potential for career advancement. I don't deny that Diddy is probably a manipulative, womanizing d-bag, but pretending as if she has ZERO culpability in the situation is baffling. I understand that expecting woman to take accountability a is foreign concept at times but at least we can try.
Why y'all act like these grown women are kids. She loved the lifestyle he provided. Why do you think she sued civilly and not press charges criminally. She wanted the money and lifestyle.
@@amandabrown5555 ....But Cassie herself destroyed your own argument because she eventually did leave and unlike R. Kelly, it's not because Diddy got locked up or was under criminal investigation. The irrefutable fact of the matter is that the rumors of Diddy being a monster were actually prevalent even BEFORE Cassie began dating him, so it's exceptionally hard for me to believe Diddy was an absolute gentleman in the beginning and he somehow morphed into this monster over time. Like most women in similar circumstances, they WILLFULLY choose to put up with shenanigans because they believe the benefits outweigh everything else.
As another matter of fact, I think she even began dating, married and had kids with the personal trainer that Diddy got her which is pretty darn bold 😂.
Do I think Diddy needs to be locked up? Absolutely, but a lot of allegations she made against him sounds like she was a reluctant but willing participant. You shouldn't be paid millions of dollars for regret. I do hope she heals from whatever trauma she did actually incur tho.
The life style? This man blew up a man’s car for seeing Cassie. He had power and influence and had cops on his payroll. The ignorance to say she stayed out of the lifestyle lol. If it’s hard for abused women to leave broke men. Cmon y’all enough with the narrow minded thinking. This isn’t no little strangling and back hand slap, these are severe abuse allegations and he also has plenty of other horrible allegations. Enough with the bull that she stayed due to money. Girl was ready to settle down and had kids the minute she left him AND married
Keep MJ mane out
Notice how they bravely announced the punishment the person should get who dit it, but they didn't say what should happen to the person when it found out that the claim was false and that they were lying. 99% of these Men on these platforms rap to the same beat. They sang a different "cadence", they gone.
Not in jail the rock piles I put to many men who beat their out there and they all had a come Jesus moment they never saw my face or heard voice but they felt the pain and some still walk with cane or a limp but they never hit a woman again
Nah, don't throw Mike into this convo.
Product placement.. Mike was innocent… diddy was accused of more then SA .. and as a career block he needs to be punished
Yeah but y'all can get on your podcast and talk about Russell Wilson a good man a good father people been talking about Diddy but you never got on your podcast and him shame on you😢😢
This is a cash grab. Cassie already announced shes going on tour. If you believe he's guilty you're guilty because any woman can lie and said you abused her. This is a L for any man with disposable income.
Don’t put Michael in this situation.
What about Josh giddy?
No one knows or cares about him omg! If it were Travis Kelce, or Tom Brady, or Nikola Jokic, it would be a complete different story. There would definitely be A LOT of media attention on those famous/celebrity white men.
You mean Josh Diddy … giggity 😂
@@thebigcevap my bad you right
Yes, how do you separate the artist from the art? "What's the 411 cd Remix" by Mary J Blige. I love Teyana Taylor's " Closer to God". Both are amazing works of art, to me. Do I stop listening to these songs because of P Diddy? It's the same with R. Kelly, and Bill Cosby, both brilliant in their art.
Like Ben Rothenberger! There's many in all leagues and entertainment fabulous is one...beating up girl friends! What about kobe... you can't just pick in, choose! But you all are scared of really having truthful conversations
I never like Diddy he always seems sketchy af
Stop making excuses for people. They sit back and plot.
Nah
These brothers just did a show with the 2 Ohio State football players who were falsely accused of forcible gang R, and now, even with that knowledge, astonishingly, they are saying all the robotic, automatic things the system bids they say to bow down to metoo brainwashing. It's painful to see these brothers doing all the things the 2 Ohio State brothers said were done to them that devastated their lives. Cassie's suit was written by a lawyer - that's what they do. It was full of contradictions, inconsistencies and sensationalism.
100%
Whose going to mess up their money that they have worked so hard for over some opinions and talking points about someone else because it’s certain things that can’t be said because of contractual issues 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️💁🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
You obviously didn’t see Diddy episode on Drink Champs… Or heard Cosby stand up about drugging women.. OR saw the R Kelly pee clips?? Some things don’t need a court to decide.
Only 3% of rape allegations are malicious. It does happen which is why we need things to play out but we have to stop pretending that people constantly lying.
@@ilv2269 That is another erroneous stat as it has been admitted time and time again that there is no scientific way to get solid stats on the matter. It is so easy to lie nowadays which obviously will bring more lies, especially when millions are dollars are involved.
Diddy isn’t as shocking as Will Smith smh there’s not a dude born in the 80’s that didn’t wanna be fresh prince which I have nothing against the 🌈 community but u can’t have str8 lil boys wanting to be like a 🌈 actor
Stop bringing up Michael Jackson man. There was never any proof he did anything.
Innocent until proven guilty
Does that apply to white police officers who shoot & kill black suspects? Or is your judgement already made up before trial?
@@Renee.Samuels88I can’t remember why I said that!
Channing and Fred had a whole podcast with Brandon Marshall but now they want to take a stand to protect women? Something does nnot smell right here. Google Brandon Marshall's past then tell me why this seems hypocritical. SMH.
You all should stick to discussing sports. Your lack of empathy for victims show. Irregardless of being guilty or innocent you all have children, imagine someone violating them? Abusing them? Manipulating them? Domestic Violence is no joke, sexual abuse is no joke.
Why mention Michael?? It’s beyond irrelevant! - Just disrespectful.
The only thing I don’t like about this case, is we never hear his account of what happened? Frankly, any woman can bring up a claim from back in the day on any guy including these gentlemen having the conversation. There’s a woman who can claim she didn’t want sex or that she had buyers remorse after the incident, and now she should be paid compensation. The line of victim and volunteer is very murky in these cases.
Sooo if you didn't have daughters it wouldn't matter (I guess they mama and sistas dont matter) foh
Its a money grab too .
Just imagine if you couldnt get money for suing someone ..
The only thing you get is them going to jail..
How many ppl you think would come out with things thats happened years ago...
Its really anout ruining someones life..and or
Taking their money .
🤖 This is a subject that's best left alone,i get the podcast wanting to jump on viral moments,and popular topics. But honestly none of us know Diddy's personal life,and without unmitigated factual evidence who knows what's true or not.Then the mention of Michael Jackson,it puzzles me he was at no time prosecuted for pedophilic acts.He settled in a civil suit who knows what legal advice he received,this happens all around the time of purchasing Caucasian music artist masters..
I know. I was there. My boyfriend told me to watch this. I'm commenting because your a dumb dumb. Puffy is a full on pill, weed and alchohol addict. He regularly gets IV drips to replenish his systems. Thats how I met Cassie, him and his sons. I administered them. They would go from Zombies with no energy to feeling normal after the IV kicked in. I didn't need to sign a NDA. I'm an RN.
U should be quiet too
@@DeeDiamond2981 😮 im flabbergasted at your remarks towards me ...
😁I'm JK Biotch!
This conversation was messy as hell and beneath your platform. 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
Very interesting to be talking about what they’re discussing with CELCIUS energy drinks siting around them, which Russell Simmons once owned significant amounts of shares and is in a lawsuit against Kimora to regain his rights to his percentage.
Unless you can truly open your mind to understanding survivors of any form of abuse especially women who experience SA, you don’t get to decide whether or not there should be a limitation of statue.
Some men are too stupid to understand that there is NO STATUE OF LIMITATION of certain crimes, especially those committed against minors and unaliving someone.
This should be inclusive whether you have a personal investment or not, ALL VICTIMS OF SA SHOULD BE BELIEVED AND SUPPORTED REGARDLESS OF WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO COME FORWARD!
STFU unless you are willing to do research, empathize and understand why many survivors remain silent instead of initially speaking out.
Broke people watch porn rich people can make it happen live. Porn is porn. Diddy probably had a lot of freaking nights but many got paid and they shouldn't be allowed to come back later and sue. Sorry Cassie could have removed herself from that situation. She got out didnt she? She was out for 5 years and now she wanted money to live the life she had with him. Both or victims. Right or wrong we have a choice. She was not lock in that relationship for 10 yrs.out the relationship for 5yrs husband babies and now devastated. Stop.
Did you read that he repeatedly beat her and drugged her, sent other people to stalk her, threaten her for over 15 years or your just half read everything 2 make a comment ??