The Messed Up Origins of MELINOE, Goddess of Ghosts | Greek Mythology Explained
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Melinoe was in blood of zeus with her brother Zagreus
I picked it up nearly a week ago and am really enjoying it so far
No but I'm looking forward to it!
Planning to.
I have an important exam coming up, so I decided to celebrate it's (hopefully successful) conclusion with buying and playing Hades 2.
I've been dipping my toes into the first one again tough, to keep the hype going 😅
Can you please make a video covering Atargatis? 🙏😊💚
Pop Culture: Zeus is a good king of gods and hades is the villain
Mythology: Zeus is the worst dad ever and think he's him. Hades knows how to be a great king and husband to his wife
Facts
Honestly, I like to headcanon that before the events of the Disney Hercules movie, Zeus violated Persephone by disguising himself as Hades and that's why Hades plotted to overthrow him by unleashing the titans.
@@legoking6165 That would be AMAZING twist
@@legoking6165 there are many movies, comics and show that Hades as the villain not just Disney
@@animeandtokuallstarx
I'm aware. But Disneys version is the one that most people are introduced to first and the one that people most often point to when arguing that Hades is an evil god.
You know, Greek myth tends to be one of three screws happening.
1. The gods screw over the mortals and so they go on quests
2. The gods screw over each other and mortals are caught in the crossfire
3. Zeus screws something
They are not mutually exclusive
learning ACTUAL mythology from jon makes me appreciate the funny twists in jake doubleyoo's animations😂
his animations got me into mythology they're so clever and funny💀
😂😂😂
i literally was watching one of his compilations before this
@@winniethepooh-by7bm IKR!
@@silasila4946 i love using those as bachgound noise when i'm doing chores 💯
People who knows not much of greek mythology will say Zeus is their favorite god but people who knows Greek mythology well will say Zeus might be their least favorite god.
I learned greek myth when I was young, and my personal fave has always been haphaestus. He's always seemed the most "human" out of the Olympus pantheon.
Even knowing what zeus has done he is still my favorite god idk he's like frieza from dragon ball he's a bad guy but you like him.
@@big3fanboy19 Right... Frieza... who.... famously r*pes his family members? Idk man
Hades is my favorite, I like the tall dark and serious type.
@@cathygrandstaff1957 horny. Fitting, considering the conversation is about greek gods.
OH THE GHOST PART MAKES SENSE TO WHY LITTLE SHADES FOLLOW HER AFTER A RUN SOMETIMES
Wait that means Zag checks the security so no shades can get out (in game, at least) and Mel hunts the ones that do manage to escape, right? Well I think we now know what the endgame loop is going to be!
Also Hestia is the polar opposite of Demeter in this game. Very nice touch
After learning about her, Not only have I become a fan, but I kind of wish she was more well-known. I could see her as a background cameo character in Beatlejuice.
ReardonVerse
I was trying to say that she appears in the RiordanVerse, but I suppose that message was carried across anyway
I apologize for this, but I haven't heard of RiordanVerse before. I'm really not that up-to-date on shows. ^^;
@@Wolfbane382 oh that is probably because it's not a TV show it's actually a book series, or to be more accurate it's a collection of book series by the same author that are all interconnected in the same universe
@@lahlybird895 Very interesting! I'll have to check that out at some point. Thank you. ^^
I've learned more about Greek mythology from this channel than I ever did in my highschool mythology.
I will still die on the hill that Hades is Melinoe's true father, because her powers makes no sense otherwise because all of Zeus's other children have power that is not really based in the underworld magic. but hey thats my stance. Tell me whither or not you agree
I think that's an excellent point!
I stand too that Hades is Melinoe's true father
It could be a two dads or mixed genes kinda thing. Like maybe them both sleeping with persephone is why her limbs are both dark and light
Actually Persephone has a far spookier background than cool ol Hades, if anything the fact that she's the mother would explain the underworld aspect
@@Axindoor Is her background in death or underworld magic?
An obscure Greek mythological figure, at least in our era, is Hermaphreditus. Boy, is his mythology a trip, and I've only been exposed to one or two stories about him.
As for an Egyptian figure that really deserves more attention, I recommend looking into Ptah, the Egyptian God of Creation. When one of your monikers is "the Unmade Creator," you know things are gonna get pretty crazy.
I’ve just started playing Hades, and can say, I’m loving it
Melinoe was in Lore Olympus she's a little kid but she's in it. The first few times you see her she has a white sheet over her head like how kids do when they play as a ghost.
I knew she sounded familiar since I'm such a huge fan of LO. She's definitely extraordinary.
You see im really excited that she is getting spotlight as i knew about this obscure goddess for a while now and always thought she had amazing potential
Saffron Drip is a cool band name.
zues really took the "all the ladies belong to me" thought to heart. didnt even leave his brothers wife alone
I love when modern developers incorporate real folklore in such a faithful and creative way. Awesome way to keep the history alive and interesting for the current generation!
Thank you for this video about Melinoe Jon - I don't know if you've watched season 2 of Blood of Zeus but Zagerus and Melinoe make a brief but heartbreaking cameo when Persephone is forced to say goodbye to them as she returns to the surface
Yo just watched that tooo XF lil bummed nyx isn’t chillin in tartarus tho. Woulda been fun to see what direction she’d go.
Is it me or does Melonoes's description reminds me of Hel, the Queen of the Underworld in Norse Mythology?
My thoughts exactly!
I thought that too especially with the way both of them are described in Rick Riordan books,
She is so underrated and there are probably so many stories about her we will never find 😭 but we must take what we can get! Total think she deserves more time in spotlight and this new game seems like a perfect opportunity!
I am also of belief in other - yet found found - myths, she and Zagures are Hades children because sometimes Hades and Zeus were intertwined therefore it (to me) makes sense. Who knows, maybe we will find more about her one day.
Absolutely agree! I’m a witch who works with deities and Meli is my patron
I love her appearance in Percy Jackson her powers and just general description are so cool
And I also agree with deciding that she is the child of Hades because good Lord the guy needs at least some children love him and Persephone have the only healthy marriage in all of the Greek pantheon so why don't they get a child when all the toxic ones get like 50 each
Yeah that's the interesting thing. Hades gets combined with Zeus and Posiedon a lot in older myths because there's no mention of him and hence probably didn't exist in proto-greek culture. Historians suspect its because myths that are attributed to Hades nowadays had to contend with what was probably centuries of codified myth that had already been attributed to the other two, causing for weird scenarios like the one mentioned in this video. It's my personal opinion that its safe to hand Zag and Mel off to Hades properly because of that
@@noahhodges7697 yes! Play Hades have his children
It's truly crazy how much we know of Greek mythology and yet so little
Melinoe and Thanatos would’ve been perfect for each other
Neither of them are married so I think we can feel free to ship it as much as we want
@@lahlybird895 In some myths thanatos was partner of another of hades daughters; Macaria, goddess of blessed death
@@MrBakku oh
... Well I mean still not a deal-breaker in Greek mythology
@@lahlybird895 we can only.wait for hades 3
@@MrBakku hah
I'm not much of a gamer but I still love these episodes that connect to games a great deal! Thank you!
glad to hear it! I was worry about video-game-centric episodes because some people have expressed disappointment that I don't only focus on the lore... but I personally love to see how the lore is utilized in the modern day! hence this series existing lol.
Eris/Discord is my _actual_ Goddess as a Wiccan, and she featured in an actual animated movie (Sinbad, 2003), among lots of other pop culture appearances. She has he own active current "religion" too in modern day Erisians/Discordians you can look into. She seems like just some minor Goddess that just did the one thing with the apple, but considering who her parents might have been, she very well could have been a Major Goddess too.
Willytron's art is so good in this episode! I wanna see a BTS of this!!! Also Great video as always, Jon!
Thank you for another great video ❤
Please take a look into the Celtic pantheon and Russian. Their ties to other pantheons and lore is so awesome
Definitely cover more obscure ones as well please!
and to think, detractors think they made this character up out of nowhere.
There are some more of the Grimm brothers' stories I would like you to do the messed up origins for one called the three spinners. Another is called the boy we left home to learn about the shivers, and the last is called the little goose girl
Thanks Jon that was interesting👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for always letting me learn and if you have seen the blood of zeus season 2 can you please explore some characters and myths the show is surprisingly good and the portrayal of hades is the best i have seen i love his character soo much
Great video. Mel's myth is so underappreciated.
I hope the trip is great! Alas, Im too poor to join but I hope you post a video showing off the highlights, so we can enjoy some of it with yall.
You should do Macaria next!! I think she’s also a daughter of Hades
Been waiting for this
Hades 2 got released when blood of zeus season 2 got out too
And Mel and Zag were shown
The egyptian equivalent of Melinoe is Nephthys. I'm glad to learn this today along with a video to learn more.
Nebt Het, Nepthys, is the goddess of Death, Mercy, Joy and Mourning but not ghosts as such in the way the Greeks interpret them. She was used in heka against Muut, unjustified dead, to force them to behave or to answer questions-- but so is Ra, but in a different manner.
She is considered the most beautiful of all the Netjeru in her calm state, so lovely that she dons a long golden veil lest all work cease in her presence for the staring-- and she's also the most terrible in combat, white and bloodless as a stone statue, personification of the tomb with no exit, her braids long and entangling/strangling like mummy wrappings, her eyes flame and fire pouring from her mouth-- there she is Death, her name written in red ink, and you are finished.
In her first birth, she is the daughter of Bat, the cosmos, who strides out of nothingness uncreated with her as Autibet, the bringer of joy, clasped at her waist like a belt of stars. In her second, she is the celestial Nile, the Milky Way, the daughter of Hapi along with her sister Aset, who is the physical Nile. Ra here, upon looking at her splashing in the water at play with Aset, decided her nature as stardust and light was more befitting his nature as king-- and thus Married her-- giving us the first birth of Anpu, Anubis, son of Ra. (this angered Aset for multiple reasons) Later, at her birth as Geb and Nut's daughter, she finally is allowed to wed and be with her longtime love, Set, lord of storms, who took birth beside her to do so. etc
I could go on. but Egyptian myth is more akin to Indian than Greek myth-- each god has multiple incarnations, death is a transformation and not a finality for all of them, even the arrangement of the offering table brings to mind an abishek over a lingam with the table as yoni with its dripping spout, rather than the horned, ash and blood smeared altars of others.
Ooo, what a cool deity! And yes, more obscure myths please!
Nice video about Melinoe but actually💁♀️ she's the goddess of madness and nightmares😱 and Makaria who's another child of Hades💀 and Persephone🌺 is the goddess of ghosts👻 and blissful death.
The hades team always doing great work.
Obscure gods & goddesses are amazing! Yes, it's cool to reinforce or correct what I've known longer than I can remember, but learning about new &/or supporting deities is thrilling.
I don't think I have ever heard anything good about Zeus. It's strange to me that he was so revered.
I think its bc bro is basically an incarnation of nature itself, so if u make enough people shit themselves in fear when they hear lightning, eventually theyll start praying to u in hopes of not getting on ur bad side
@SilverAsh-ho4ro I suppose thats fair
I could say the same thing for any lead deity in any major mythology or religion
@lahlybird895 VERY valid point
@@katinapac-baez5083 ha, thank you
Hoping Jon hosts a group tour for the 2027 eclipse in Egypt. Definitely will join that.
really like learning more about Greek mythology, the hades game looks so cool 😊🎮
AH, too cool... didn't realize she was a Goddess of Ghosts! AWESOME! Have a great weekend!
Well I'm officially in love with this goddess
12:05 remember she is the one who wielded the adamant rail
Had to go play Hades after watching this, loving the game!
I love Greek, Norse and Egyptian Mythology
Are you going to do videos on the other new characters in Hades 2? I know that you have already done a video on Hecate a long time ago, but maybe you could also do videos on Nemesis, Moros, Odysseus, Chronos, etc?
I would love to!
I co to Greece this vacation too !
I would love to see something about Odysseus and see what you can find on him
'I'm still drink form last night and think I threw out a perfectly good, dropped Bubbly cause I forgot how to open it. Good vid man.
Melinoe is actually featured in Lore Olympus too!
Make a video about Lakapati please
It was GOW that got me into norse mythology in the first place, the Jon Solo got me way into mythology and folklore. Now im a folk and mytho nerd (if that's what you can call it. Im still new) i like learning about the fey, other all types of folklore and mythology. Right now im interested in Norse Mythology but i hope to learn more about the European folklores and tales. Maby even study in college. Im 15 i dunno if i can do that but itd be fun.😂
As one who got interested to mythology through Sailor Moon, you should first understand why these stories exists. After that, you will often understand why these writers interpreted these things (mythics are so to speak the modern novels/fanfiction and only got shared if deemed good enough)
Greek mythology: Gods are as humans dumb, evil and greedy while also having unlimited powers and like to play with humans as toys (or if anything bad or good happens try to tell a tale where gods are involved to be either favoured or to downplay your own achievements
Nordic: A catholic priest collected the stories/wrote the Eddas and tried to make these gods look as barbaric and mad as possible while promoting the church. While nordic folks just searched for explanations as to where thunder/lightning came from, how the moon changed their form and many other natural phenomenom until they agreed on gods as no human could do these things. Lore was also mouth to mouth spoken so, often, they were different versions and powers (which can be chaotic)
Irish folklore: Giving things that seem unnatural a name. Changelings were always described as mishapen, contorting unnatural or dumb(so probably physical disabilities, mental disabilities and seizures). People going mad in grief or after drinking wine were said to have been tricked by the fey into playing their games etc Since the fey are ageless, tireless and live in a static world the people needed something against them (as fey were known to be able to get you through doorways alone) so they later said they couldn't touch iron or be in iron wrought things. (Many doorways were then made with iron nails)
Like every historian will tell you: Who could gain the most from these tales? Who would get power through these lies and who would look bad? (napoleon was quite tall, nero was never near a burning rome) If you look behind the curtain, you might see your own myth looking back ;)
Please try the Goose Girl!
Love these videos. I hope he does lovecraft stuff
Fuck yes. Been waiting for another video.
Hey! Jack Klugman in one of his movies played the voice of a toilet for a commercial!
Then again, when he found out the commercial his read was for (toilet bowl cleaner), he nearly choked his roommate!
My friend is actually doing a let’s play on twitch for this game
Please do a messed up origins on Damballa
Melinoe and Zagreus are brought up briefly in Blood Of Zeus season 2.
Jon I am such a fan of yours, which is saying something because I usually am hesitant about dudes who talk about mythology and are rolling my eyes so far back that I can see the back of my head. I appreciate the diversity and citing of your sources, plus your dry sarcasm is just *chef's kiss* I do want to give a little "criticism?" "Feedback?" Whatever you want to call it. I think it's more of just a lack of perspective, and the fact that you perhaps have never had to think of things this way which isn't a bad thing! Regarding your comment about Demeter and previous ones about Artemis, I think you have to take into consideration how the Greeks viewed women and how the writers of the myths were men which I'm sure you're aware of (and how assault practically gallops through 90% of the myths), with this in mind I want to pose a thought experiment: Say you are the brother of a goddess, a brother who actually views his sister as a living being with thoughts and feelings of her own--super rare in this context I know but go with it. You're aware that you are indeed in the minority of gods who think this way, and you are even more aware of how both gods and human men think of women and goddesses...and are fully aware that the goddesses and human women know this. With me so far? Need a snack? Go get one. You good? Awesome, let's continue. So as this god--we'll say you're a god of stories and patron of good doggos--you come home and find your sister has returned from bathing with her nymphs or maybe you come home to find your mother has just returned from hiding your sister in a random cave. Your sister says that she had a dude sneak up on her and just kept staring at her, she knew he was a hunter because of his bow or spear or whatever and she also knew that this area was really far away from the nearest village. What else could she have thought except that "I am in danger and need to do something," or perceive him as a threat? As her brother you probably would have thought she was too nice knowing what men and gods do to their female counterparts. Furthermore, you would probably ask if that cave was far enough or deep enough to hide your sister in. I don't want to seem like I'm chastising or I'm one of those unhinged, screaming and yelling man-hating...TERF...woman person (they are *not* feminists, they are an infection), I am a pot stirrer yes but I also know that the only way to have different voices heard is to have a conversation....like sane adults. Anyway sorry for the novel, and as I said I really enjoy your content and you seem like a dude who just loves mythology and want to learn all about it. Keep kicking ass my friend!
5:20 Funnily enough, the CH in chthonic is silent.
This is more interesting than anything we got about her in lore Olympus.
3:36 I prefer this art style over the "Hades" game's art style.
Hey Jon when the musical Wicked comes out can you do a messed up origin on the Wizard of Oz?
I love your vids please keep it up
I might get this game. I like mythology and i also like witchy things so melinoe and hecate definitely piqued my interest.
So, just after finishing this video, I began Season 2 of Blood of Zeus and BOOM! Melionë appears xD
I'm so glad I watched this beforehand or I would have no idea who this "Meli" daughter of Persephone and Hades was, shout out to little Zagreus appearing as well who I knew also from his own video of this channel
you should dive into more japanese chinese and aztec mythology also turn each messed up mythology into a series
Sense he’s the main villain of the game i want to see a “Messed up Origin of Kronos” next
Yes please to the lesser known!!
Goddess have mercy on me.
Sounds like she would be the one that oracles would call upon for protection of the body from invading spirits.
Im glad to see other Underworld gods get attention nowadays
HELL YEA give me obscure gods and goddesses!!!
Jon can you please make a video, in the future, covering Atargatis? 🙏😊💚 I always enjoy your content, and appreciate the research you put in.
Hades 2 is so fucking fun, better than the first imo
Hades and Persephone were said to have another daughter named Macaria, who is the Goddess of Blessed Death.
[tilts head]
half black and half white in form...?
uhm, wasn't there another goddess like that... Nox or Hel, was it?
Yay
I’ve actually heard of this goddess before and I do believe that there was a text that described Hades as the father of
Zeus was the ultimate creepy uncle.
Hades 2 has had an unholy grip on my brain recently so I’m super happy you decided to make this!!! Although we don’t know much about her, supergiant did a great job incorporating aspects of her actual mythology into the game!
💜💜💜
11:45 to think twitter went crazy about the "attractiveness" of the desing, ignoring the whole other cast is hot. I dont get people.
Still not touching hades 2, but i appreciate the real lore of the goddess.
Melinoe's name is actually thought to derive from melinos, meaning "the sorta slightly greenish yellow color of a quince fruit," which you might notice kinda matches her hair color. If her name was about darkess, it would be more like MelAnoe, from melas, "black"
Can you do a Greek creation myth animated please?
I am actually Greek and i have never heard of either or Hades protagonists. They are extremely obscure and I have no Idea where they found information about them
I would ABSOLUTELY sacrifice to Melinoë and ger family.
I have to wonder if there's actual god/goddess of madness like the madness that Heracles was struck by?
Melinoe’s hot in this animated version and the Hades 2.
Well it’s not very important but if you watch the season two of blood of Zeus there is a very touching scene where Hades and his wife are saying goodbye to each other because in mythology she has to leave every six moons meaning that when spring is supposed to start she leaves the underworld to start bringing back the grass and the harvest and the trees and she stays away for almost all year till when it starts getting close to fall which is why the seasons change. Anyway we get to see their two kids and the daughter is crying because she doesn’t like having her mother leave every year so her mother and her father Hades have to comfort her it’s also the reason why Hades finally decides to go through with his plan to overthrow his fellow gods so he can change his and his wife’s fate. Anyway I was so curious about the kids that I had to look them up on Google and that’s when I found out about the Hades game and how both of them are the protagonist for part one and part two. I also found out that the daughter is probably not going to be well liked when she embraces her godliness because she’s not exactly a good God and the fact that she’s having my mother issues…. May explain why is she is the goddess of madness and the goddess of ghosts.
thank you, love this.
I choose to interpret Zagreus and Melinoe as Hades and Persephone’s children and they were actually a happy, healthy family.
PLEASE TALK ABOUT DRAGON BALL AND JOURNEY OF THE WEST
Hecate is a Titan, no?
Jon: "I've already spent several dozen hours cursing, hexing..."
Me: Cursing? Like, "May your entire family line go extinct!" cursing, or more like swearing? Because I've been screwed over by games several times, myself. 😀