TI-30X Pro MathPrint vs TI-36X Pro -- The 30X is significantly better, but NOT sold in the USA
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- A comparison of some key improvements that the TI-30X Pro MathPrint offers over the TI-36X Pro.
I had to order the TI-30X Pro MathPrint from the UK. It was around $45 including the shipping. I don't get why TI does not introduce this as a TI-36X Pro Version 2 in the US. Perhaps the price point would be too high? Not sure.
I purchased the calculator from Rarewaves.com out of London, England:
www.rarewaves.com/products/32...
I never knew this calculator even existed. It combines the best of both TI and Casio together. This is definitely the best option for me to take the FE exam! Now I have to order it from the UK but I hope one day it will come to the US for more accessibility to everyone.
Well said about "combines the best of both TI and Casio". I don't recall how I found out about it, but wish TI sold it in the US. I agree that it is the best of the best in this category. And for something as important as the FE/PE, $45 is a small investment.
@@scottcollins7513 agreed. I've suggested this calculator to other engineers I work with that are studying for the FE and PE exams. It worked great for me. Still in disbelief that I have my PE after all these years of procrastination.
@@soccerstudut Better late than never -- the key is that you did it. Again, kudos!
what prep or books did you use to PASS the FE exam?
@@jasonlewis460 I took the EIT back in '91 (it was the precursor to the FE). I did not need to study b/c I did it immediately after 4 years of engineering school. The PE, though, if I choose to take it will be another story! If I do it, I plan to buy the official sample problems as a starting point for $40 USD.
I remember what 40 bucks got us back in the late 70's and 80's. A very basic scientific calculator. What this can do for 40 bucks is absolutely amazing compared to those days. I have a 36x pro and for 20 bucks, it's an incredible bargain.
AGREED! I was teaching math at a school in SE Asia. They had these $6-8 Casio's that I figured would be terrible (i.e. what can you get for $6-8?). They were superb for the money. It opened my eyes to this whole world of advanced scientific calculators around the $20 price point. Amazing. And still amazing at the $40 price point. Thanks for leaving a comment, JL.
I am glad you got it in the end :). I wonder why they did not add a bunch of stuff options to reach casio in options, but whatever, it remains great ( 5 or 6 more constants, vector operations and maybe 4th grade poly). I was waiting for your review for so long!
It's a great calculator. Thanks for leaving a comment.
Hi Scott!
I am a professional SAT Math tutor. I just got the TI-30X Pro MP in the mail and it is amazing. With Desmos being allowed on the Digital SAT Math, I am going to recommend this to students and tutors alike as my go to. With Desmos, there is no longer any advantage to bringing a TI-84.
Please make a video comparing to Casio fx-991EX. Many international students taking the SAT use Casio and I would love to see how they hold up! After all, the 30x Pro MP is offered overseas, so many students there probably could get there hands on it.
Nice work!
Thanks for the suggestion, Tutorllini. I agree that Desmos.com + (TI-30X Pro MP or Casio fx-991EX) >> TI-84 . I appreciate the suggestion to make a TI-30X Pro MathPrint vs Casio fx-991EX Classwiz. Not doing many videos these days, but if I make another it would probably be this one. Thanks for leaving a comment -- good suggestion about using desmos, a good suggestion for a next video for me to make, and a nice complement at the end! Take care.
With the primo calculators and Desmos available for both parts of the math portion, you only need to know how to be a button jockey to get at least a 600 SAT score. When I took that test 40 years ago, we had to actually know what we were doing.
@@gregnixon1296 I agree. I am very happy they added Desmos, but I feel they never should have removed the No-Calculator section.
Thank you so much for the review ❤
Texas Instruments announced on February 20, 2018 at the didacta 2018, an Education Trade Show in Germany, with the TI-30X Plus MathPrint and TI-30X Pro MathPrint the stylish successors of both the TI-30X Plus MultiView and TI-30X Pro MultiView.
It is rather unusual to discontinue and replace a scientific calculator within just three years after its introduction but in this case there was a serious reason behind the unexpected move from Texas Instruments. In July 2017 the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport of Baden Wurttemberg, Germany informed all schools in the State that it is known since March 2017 to "hack" with a few keystrokes the TI-30X Plus MultiView and upgrade it to the original TI-30X Pro MultiView. One has to understand that the TI-30X Plus MultiView was removing some features from the original TI-30X Pro MultiView:
• Numeric derivative
• Numeric integral
• Numeric equation solver
• Polynomial solver
The reason for this down-grading are pretty obvious - two States in Germany (Bavaria and Baden Wurttemberg) don't allow these features in their High Schools exams anymore. Texas Instruments consequently informed in Summer 2017 to release an updated version of the TI-30X Plus MultiView for Back-to-School 2018/2019.
www.datamath.org/Sci/Modern/TI-30X-PROMP.htm
I was just in austria and purchased a mathprint in a Libro! Good little calculator, should be good to help me out at campus and work.
Orion, though I am more excited that you got to see Austria, I am also happy to hear you picked up a TI-30X Pro MathPrint. Thanks for leaving a comment.
Texas-instruments has innovated in the field of pocket calculators thanks to the genius of Douglas Fairbanks at the company Texas-Instruments. He miniaturized calculators and lowered their cost by more than 70 or 80% with the TI-30 LCD in the 80's. Good video, thank you.
Cool bit of history, Gerard. That was a cool era of innovation. Thanks for leaving a comment.
I would love to see a redo of the comparison with the Casio 991EX but with the TI-30x Pro too
It would make sense to do this one next. Great suggestion, Valmir -- thank you.
I have both the TI is better. Casio is not handy even with small things like Percentage calculation.
Just bought the TI-30X PRO from Amazon a few seconds ago based on this video !!
I agree this should be sold in US......I often wonder if engineering might be a more popular major in Europe per-capita than the US.
For the record, in my field (Actuarial Mathematics) the ability to copy and paste old answers is ESSENTIAL, and it's worth the extra money for me.
But anyways: Awesome video, and thanks for posting !!
Glad you found the video helpful. I think you will like the calculator. Just make sure it is the "TI-30X Pro MathPrint". Thanks for leaving a comment.
I would love to see a comparison between the TI-30X Pro MathPrint and the fx-991ex
That’s a good suggestion. I will plan to make that happen at some point. Thanks for the suggestion!
Also, did you see any difference in the Stats functions? thx.
I too have both. For me, it was worth double the price of the 36X Pro because the 36 is worth double its low price anyway. I use the solvers regularly in developing and checking curriculum as a math teacher. The 36X Pro is now my backup.
It is amazing how powerful these calculators are for the money. Ideal for students, too. Much better value than the all-too ubiquitous TI-84 variants.
Finally a TI calculator that isn't hideous. Hope they'll do away with the banana boat calculators soon.
Thanks for the video. Is there a calculated that has the same features of the TI30X Pro in the US market?
It depends what set of "same features" you mean. The TI-36X Pro is the most similar, but it does not do very well with providing exact answers which is moot point if you are using it for science/engineering. For something like Pre-Calc though, the Casio fx-991EX ClassWiz or the TI-30X Pro with their exact answers are the better choice. What are the main features you are looking for?
Nice vid!
I wonder how the TI-30X pro compares with the HP Smartcalc 300S, which is its real competitor instead of the Casio Classwiz.
Thank you, Roberto. Really good suggestion regarding HP Smartcalc 300S. I am not familiar with this calculator. It may be worth a review at some point, so I appreciate you pointing it out!
How does it compare to the newest TI-36x? The newest iteration doesn’t have the silver buttons. TI’s website also lists it as has having math print when using the compare feature on the website.
I had a student w the redesigned TI-36X Pro. As far as I know, it was simply a cosmetic improvement and NOT an upgrade to the chip or the display.
@@scottcollins7513 I concur. Used both iterations in school and in engineering profession.
Great comparison!
Do you have a link to where you bought this in the UK please? I'd like to grab one.
Quickly order it . I saw it on Amazon for $41 dollars. Only 2 left in stock. Type in TI-30 Mathprint. It should take you there. It is imported from England.
I added info in the description. Here's where I bought mine (I believe they are the same store selling on Amazon): www.rarewaves.com/products/3243480105927-ti-30x-pro-mathprint
5:20 Interesting thing I had to come back and rewatch this, did it give you an imaginary answer straight away, or just like the Ti 36x you had to switch mode to avoid Domain Error ?
Also would like to know if the Menus look better on the new Ti 30X because on the Casio 991EX the menus are icons instead of abbreviated words which abbreviated words can be a hazzle.
Yes, the MathPrint gives imaginary answers straightaway to unfactorable quadratics and negative square roots. I love the MP.
Great videos! Casio in my opinion still beats TI. Only big difference and advantage of the TI is that it keeps stuff in memory, but I'm not really yet into difficult stuff in school so I don't know is it really important feature? What's your opinion on it, do you need the history/memory feature often?
Hi, Andree -- thank you for the kind words.
I think it comes down to how you use the calculator. In general for science classes (physics, chemistry, engineering), I like being able to easily retrieve previous results from the stack (history) so this favors the TI (both the TI-36X Pro and the TI-30X Pro MathPrint) over the Casio. Even if I have written down the previous results, it is nice to not have to re-enter them for subsequent computations.
For a math class, this is much less useful and the Casio is great; it is significantly better than the TI-36X Pro for math. The TI-30X Pro MathPrint is equal to the Casio for math, but costs twice as much in the US, so I'd go w/ the Casio fx-991EX Classwiz if choosing a calculator for math class.
The TI-30X Pro MathPrint is my favorite of this style of calculator, but a few years ago I did buy an fx-991EX for my niece, so obviously I think highly of the calculator (and at that time I did not know of the TI-30X Pro MathPrint).
Hey Scott, at 4:12 in the video, the 30 showed a down arrow, indicating you could scroll down for more info. The 36 didn't have this so I was curious what else they would have showed if you had scrolled down. Thanks.
I should have showed that in the video. If you hit the down arrow, you simply see "Solve Again" and "Quit" options. There is no additional info. Good question, Matthew!
@@scottcollins7513 Figured it was nothing! Thanks for the reply!
hey man can u tell me which calc should I buy for my college from all the calc u have shown in your videos
Hello, Gi7. It would help to know more about what major you are pursuing, so if you provide that it might inform my suggestion. Without any other knowledge, I would recommend the TI-30X Pro MathPrint (if you can get one and if the $45 price is not an issue). If money is tighter, I would recommend the Casio fx-991EX Classwiz.
i love your videos
Thanks for the encouraging comment, Skuld!
If I'm not mistaken, the TI-36X Pro will also do Mathprint and display an exact answer if it's in a+bi with Mathprint enabled. Hit MODE and change the last line from CLASSIC to MATHPRINT. The TI-30X sure is prettier though.
Hi, SynMonger. I have not been successful getting my TI-36X Pro to show exact answers in a+bi and Mathprint modes. To my knowledge it only provides approximate answers.
@@scottcollins7513 I'm probably misremembering how it worked
I pulled both out today and I was misremembering. The TI-36X pro does not give an exact answer on the poly silver.
Hello Scott, how does the 30x Pro Mathprint compare to the new FX 991CW which is supposed to be an upgrade to the EX? For context, I need it for FE, PE. Thank you, I couldn't find a comparison online.
I have not heard of the fx-991CW. I'll have to look into that model. I will say that unless Casio has fundamentally changed the way they handle previous expressions and results, I would want the TI-30X Pro MathPrint if I was taking the FE or PE. Thanks for leaving a comment.
@@scottcollins7513 That makes sense, thanks a lot for your reply; I have ordered the mathprint and hope it will be a good companion throughout my professional career. Great videos by the way, they have inspired me to learn more about math and calculators haha.
@@nest22 Thanks for letting me know, Nestor. I hope it serves you well! Thanks for the kind words. Have a great holiday/Christmas/New Year.
I'm with you, the TI-30X Pro MathPrint should be in the United States. This reminds me about the different versions of the non-CAS TI-Nspire CX II (USA) vs. TI-Nspire CX II-T (Europe) where the latter gives exact answers version the USA version where all answers are approximate.
It is available on Amazon as an import. I just checked it . Only 2 left as of now $41. I don’t know why TI is selling better versions of its calculators overseas. Kind of irritating actually since it is an American company.
@@irishchocolate3872 I agree with you and I just bought one. Good thing I collect scientific calculators.
@@theedspage I do to. I am not the only nerd out there. My first calculator was the TI-30 my dad bought me for my 14th birthday back in 1975. I have literally spent several thousands of dollars on calculators since then. I have approximately 11 scientific calculators and 4 graphing calculators. I have owned TI’s, HP, Casio and Sharp.
The regional nature of calculators is vexing. Thanks for the comment and the info re the Nspire, Edward.
A comparison between the 30x and the 991ex (or the newer 991cw) would be cool
Good suggestion, Joaquin. Perhaps I will do one. It has been quite a long while since I have made anything new. Thank you.
Thank you for this. I wanna buy this calculator in the future. I have my TI-36X PRO on my table. Wanna buy him a companion. Lol.
He will be jealous of his new younger and more handsome companion. Thanks for leaving a comment.
I've had the TI-36X Pro for 8 years and enjoyed its functionality, but wished for a higher resolution display. I'm a little disturbed this new model has been around since 2018 outside the US. Why is TI holding back?
Agree. It is disappointing.
The MathPrint, I didn't see the solar panel, did it have one? Looks great.
Yes, it has a panel across the top - good sized.
I found the TI 30X PRO on Amazon, but some of the buttons are blue instead of the gray color yours has. Curious if it's the same version as yours.
Also have you noticed any features or capabilities the TI 36X PRO has that are missing on the TI 30X PRO, or are all the differences in favor of the 30X pro.
I plan on using the 30X PRO for my PE exam in the near future with the 36X PRO as my backup. One of my favorite features on these calculators is the set op function because I've set it up to calculate the hyperbolic sine of any complex number I store in X. I don't think Casio has that ability in their scientific calculators.
Does yours say "MathPrint" under the TI-30X Pro at the top of the calculator? I think yours is likely a different version.
My TI-30X Pro MathPrint seems to have identical functions to the TI-36X Pro (albeit w/ faster/better answers per the video). All differences are in favor of the TI-30X Pro MathPrint.
I have not used the Set Op function much, but it does seem useful when there is a particular calculation you frequently use. On the CASIO fx-991EX you would probably want to use CALC, but you'd have to enter your equation the first time, every time (it is lost once you power off which is another reason I like the TI-30X Pro MathPrint better.
@@scottcollins7513 yes, it says math print. It looks exactly the same as yours just with slightly different colors on some of the buttons. All the buttons and features look the same as the TI 36X PRO. The #7 is the same font as yours. Not sure why TI doesn't sell these in the USA. My TI 30X PRO arrives next week.
@@soccerstudut The varieties of calculators is certainly confusing! I'm guessing they just decided to change the look a bit.
Hello Scott. Great Video (as usual)!
I agree with you a lot of small details that make all in one a big difference!
Just curious about the numeric intégrations:
Is the Ti-30X MathPrint displaying better results (more accurate and faster) than the Ti-36X PRO?
May we get same 'Math' 'Print' results from integrations? I am especially interested in ∫ 0 1 x^(3/2) dx = 4/5 or ∫ 0 1 1/√(1-x²) dx = π/2.
Or just better numeric outputs?
CRET, sorry for the longggg delay. I keep the TI-30X Pro MathPrint at work. I will make a point to bring it home and compare it to the TI-36X Pro. If the outcome seems interesting, I may make a video two. Regardless, I will eventually try and get you an answer.
I finally got to this. The integration is still only decimal; I'm thinking you'd probably need a CAS-equipped calculator to get exact answers to things like this. The first integral ran quicky and produced the answer 0.399999983 (rather than the exact 2/5 answer). The second integral took very long -- I did not time it, but probably more than 1 minute -- and came up with 1.570790767; respectably accurate, but certainly not exact.
What's the difference between the PRO and PLUS variants of 30x mp ?
Please compare both versions, if prudent.
Looking for an upgrade for 36x pro for my civil PE retake.
The only upgrade to a 36X Pro in my view would be the 30X Pro Mathprint. You'll have to decide if the improvements are sufficient to justify spending the money.
I would definitely stay away from the 30X Plus Mathprint -- it lacks a LOT of features. For example, no "num-solv", "poly-solv", or "sys-solv". I do not see vector or matrix operations either. Make sure you get the Pro if you are going to upgrade.
@@scottcollins7513 thank you for response. Yes, the PLUS might have been concocted to give a machine to those school grade children who might not need the advanced features or the features might give such students an unfair advantage during testing!
Certainly the PLUS is a massive underperformer in the realm of engineering and ought to be avoided by engineers.
@@oleopathic Well said, TA.
Wonder if the TI-30X Pro Mathprint is allowed on licensing exams like the FE and PE. Seems like it should be since NCEES says "All TI-30X and TI-36X models (Any Texas Instruments calculator must have “TI-30X” or “TI-36X” in its model name.)" Have a hard time reading the TI-36X Pro screen would like to switch.
I am considering getting my PE (longgg after I took the EIT -- the precursor to the FE) and plan to use the TI-30X MathPrint since it meets the letter of the requirements as well as the spirit of the requirements (i.e. it doesn't do anything that the TI-36X Pro and Casio fx-991EX don't do -- the beauty is that it combines some of the best of both).
Hi. I have a TI-36X Pro and I don't know or find the funtion of the bottoms 1 to 6 (2nd funtion). Thank you
Buttons 1 to 6 are used for entering Hexidecimal numbers, I believe. I wonder if they moved them to a different menu on your version of the calculator - mine is probably 4 years old at this point.
Hmmmm. Well, do any of the other TI-30 models come close to approximating the TI-30X Pro? Like the TI-30XIIS or is the TI-36 X Pro the best option? Unfamiliar with the Cassio (know of them for sure--but have only ever used TI).
And checking your link for the TI-30X Pro and at Amazon UK, both are sold out of the calculator. Must be quite popular. I am seeing Amazon (US) offering it for $45.00.
Thanks for the video!
To my knowledge, in the US the TI-36X Pro is the closest you will get to the TI-30X Pro MathPrint. The Casio fx-991EX Classwiz is a good calculator, but if you are used to TI, you would probably be more comfortable w/ the TI-36X Pro.
@@scottcollins7513
Thank you for this, Mr. Collins. Reading this (and watching your video comparing the TI-36X Pro to the Casio fx-991EX) I'm glad I went with my instincts as I bought a TI-36X Pro earlier today (to replace a TI-30A bought well over a dozen years ago that has disappeared).
But I'll be saving my money to spring for the TI-30X Pro Math Point at some future point.
Thank you much!
@@sail2byzantium glad I could help!
In Europe TI do not have same market share (or I would say monopoly) that in USA. Instead Casio has much more share, so probably this is one of reasons TI launch more models in Europe than in USA.
That makes sense, Alexandre. At least Europe is getting to enjoy TI's best calculator for the money. Thanks for the comment.
Great calculator, i usually used it if the count something ,because my mathematics is low 😀
Whether 1+1 or (3+7i)/(5+9i), it is a great calculator! Thanks for leaving a comment, Yy.
I grew up with the casio calculator but now I unfortunately have to switch to TI due to my casio being prohibited to use during math exam (Germany 🤦♀️)
Hans, there is life after CASIO. You will likely miss your old friend, but the TI is a respectable companion (especially the TI-30X Pro MathPrint if they sell that one in Germany).
Hi Scott
I am wondering if this TI 30X pro also has the bugs from the TI 36X pro. The issue with the incorrect mixed fraction results with operations involving PI. Or the negative Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion error. Do you know if this one has them or if they are no longer present. See programming errors en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-36
I checked to see if I could duplicate the pi*12.5^2 bug outlined here: www.nickweil.com/2012/01/ti-36x-pro-programming-bug-info-video.html.
I could not duplicate the bug. It seems that TI addressed and eliminated the bug on the TI-30X Pro.
I was not able to find anything walking through the temperature conversion error alluded to on the wikipedia page. If you can explain that one or provide a link, I will check it on my TI-30X Pro.
The TI30X Pro has been made solely for Germany spefically the state of Baden-Württemberg, because they forid the TI36. Because they found out the TI36X can be hacked and then use the Polynomal and Numeric equation solver.
nice video, thanks
Thank you for saying so! Always encouraging to hear from people like you.
Wow, they use a crossed 7 digit!!! That's the first time I ever see it on... basically any device. That's how we write the 7s.
Good observation! I did not think about that. Some people in the US also do their 7 that way.
Had to do the same thing to get mine... I live in Texas
Even more tragic that you are in the home state of the company. Appreciate the comment and the irony!
Well i just see that on the TI-36x pro you have an inbuilt function to convert decimals to fraction, and reverse. BTW i prefer the bluish lcd.
Hi, Laurent. Yes, both calculators have the fraction to decimal (and vice versa) function. Most people seem to like the black LCD -- I'm in that camp. Glad that blue LCD is getting some love today from you. Take care.
How many functions does the ti 30 x pro have? Sorry but I can't find this information online
I went to TI's site (german site) and did not see where they provide this information. I will say that it is comparable to the Casio fx-991EX (not sure how many functions) and Sharp-W516TBSL (which says 640 functions here --> www.sharpcalculators.com/products/EL-W516TBSL-Advanced-Scientific-Calculator-with-WriteView%E2%84%A2-4-Line-Display-&-Solar-Power-p79922506).
Make sure you are looking at the "TI-30X Pro MathPrint" -- exactly this model/verbiage.
Here's a link to the German site: education.ti.com/de/produkte/taschenrechner/wissenschaftliche-rechner/ti-30x-pro-mp?category=overview
@@scottcollins7513 thank you!
If I am not wrong, the fx-991 EX has 552 functions, but the german version (not the international one) has got 696
Does the TI-30X MP display small values past a certain threshold in scientific notation (without setting it to SCI or ENG) mode? Like 0.0000254 is 2.54×10^-5. I have the TI-36X Pro and always found it annoying having all those zeroes after the decimal point before the significant numbers.
Expression: 254/10,000,000 --> Displayed Result: 0.0000254
Expression: 254/10,000,000,000 --> Displayed Result: 0.000000025
It does not do what you are hoping, nor is there a simple key press to convert it in a hurry that I'm aware of.
@@scottcollins7513 Thank you Scott!:-) I guess the 30X MP will be a pass for me then.:-( Will stick with the 36X Pro. A scientific calculator should (IMO) automatically express values less than one thousandths into scientific notation. Help the user out. Sure we can count the zeroes until the first significant number but that's just so awkward. Thank you!
@@usevisine3198 At a minimum it would be great to have digit separators to make it easier to count. But some sort of settings flag would be great.
Hi... sorry to bother you. I am trying to find a way but I haven't been able.. I'll try to ask.
The question is: casio has a great tool: you can, pressing ENG or shift Eng for the reverse, change between " x10^n " powers. So you can easily move in order to have (or verify) all results as "unit","decimals" x 10^x. Is there a way to do that on ti?
Example: 3.2 = 3.2 eng > 3.2x10⁰ ; eng > 3200 x 10-³ ; shift eng shift eng > 0.0032x10³ and you can go on for +/-6 or even 9.
I understand your question and am familiar w/ that function on the CASIO, though I have not ever really used it. There is an ENG mode on the TI-36X/30X, but it only provides one value (e.g. 52000 would display as 52E3). I know of no way to increase or decrease the value by a factor of 1000 like the CASIO does. I think that particular function is something CASIO has done for many years, but I'm not sure what other scientific calculators have been able to do the same.
Also, I'm happy for these sorts of questions, b/c they help me learn more. Always good to hear from other calculator afficionados.
@@scottcollins7513 i tried using ENG mode as it cuts down on clutter but can't seem to find a place for it in my PE studies. What am I doing wrong? What is the ideal case for using ENG in academia as well as in practice ?
This is the best video on the topic. It's the best video for its user comments and host replies. One can learn a lot about the 30X Pro MP, here.
Another question: how many input characters does the PRO MP support inside of NUM-SOLV function versus that of 36X Pro ?
This is an important consideration for those similar to myself as our equations can be very long during thr civil PE exam. Have found myself more than once having to manually simplify the 1 eqn with the 1 unknown to get around the 36X Pro's character limit. Super annoying -- and a massive drain on time!
Great question. THIS one seems like something I could figure out without too much trouble. Do you happen to have an example of a problem that the 36X Pro could not handle? I'd like to see if the 30X Pro Mathprint or the the Casio fx-991EX Classwiz can tackle it without any algebraic simplification.
@@scottcollins7513 I'm working some problems so should be able to stumble upon a problem with a long equation soon. I'll post here once this happens.
Can you do more videos about the ti30x pro?
Hi, Luis. I do not do many videos these days. Plus, the calculator is functionally similar to the TI-36X Pro, and I have made a good number of videos about that calculator. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know you were interested in more TI-30X content. Take care.
Same request here, please.
Okay. After thinking about it for months, I ordered the TI-30 Math Print PRO for $44 from Great Britain. Unless you want to spend $250 for a Swiss Micros RPN, the Math Print PRO is the best non-graphing calculator you can buy. It doesn’t have the mode limitations even the mighty ClassWiz has. I heard in Europe they even use the Math Print PRO for advanced engineering. The calculator is a winner. It is just crazy TI doesn’t sell it directly in the U.S. It would kill even the ClassWiz in sales if people really knew the capabilities of the Math Print PRO.
Irish, the price tag is definitely up there, but it is a great calculator. It is my "go to" at work at this point. I have a DM42 and really like it, but the ability to see a history of all the calculations is the TI's superpower. If I had a need for programs, I'd want the DM42, but mostly I'm just doing simple engineering calcs.
@@scottcollins7513 One of my nephews is a mechanical engineer. I gave him a TI-36XPRO to pass the FE exam. Now he tells me he uses it all the time in his work.
@@irishchocolate3872 Well played, Uncle Irish -- you set him up for sucess. That is the same calculator I would have recommended in the past for the FE/PE. Going forward, I would recommend the TI-30X Pro Mathprint.
@@scottcollins7513 TI needs to make it available here in the U.S. Kind of ridiculous I had to order mine from Great Britain. We can only hope one day TI will give its own citizens as good a product as TI gives to Europe and Australia.
@@scottcollins7513 how many lines of history does 36x and 30x pro mp support ?
QUESTION FOR SCOTT....the TI36x Pro does complex numbers, and matrices, but it does NOT do matrices OF complex numbers. Does the TI30x Pro do that??? This would be very nice for solving circuits in Elect Engg if it did. Thanks, please let us all know in the comments...Cheers, Joe
Sadly, Joe, it cannot handle complex numbers within a matrix. I just tried putting an "i" into the matrix and rec'd the message "Error - Input must be Real".
Doesn't "f d" button on TI36X Pro do the same decimal to exact conversion?
In general, no. In my experience it is not "smart enough" to do this with irrational numbers, generally.
@@scottcollins7513 I see, thank you for your answer!
I had a 36x pro that I lost, and replaced it with the 30x pro, for the better screen and speed. I have to say though, while I prefer how the 30x pro looks, the 36x pro feels much more ergonomic, and I’m a bit ashamed to say that I kind of miss it.
Interesting that you like the ergos of the 36 better. Calculators are like cars where you wish you could take different things from different ones and combine them.
how many lines of history does 36x and 30x pro mp support ?
That is a very good question that I do not have an answer for. I would think it might vary based on content per line, too. Not sure. Appreciate you asking, but do not think I am going to take the time to figure this one out. Perhaps the manual gives some hint -- not sure.
@@scottcollins7513 thanks for reply. Perhaps another user might see this and report back to us.
Try the ti 30xs scientific calculator with math print pro
If it is the one I am thinking of, it does not offer the Number Solver, Polynomial Solver, or the System (of Eqs) Solver. I'm guessing it is a very good calculator, but not quite as full-featured as the TI-30X Pro MathPrint.
Well this applies to ti naspire cx t version. Not the case type. which is the international version
I agree on all details but.... TI-30X was discontinued everywhere because of several bugs (wrong answers).
First I’ve heard of this. My hunch is it is some obscure issue(s) that would not effect typical users and use cases. I’ll see if I can learn more. Thanks for the info, Santiago.
@@scottcollins7513 did you find any more info on critical bugs in 30x mp ?
Not seeing a significant difference, really, but I like the TI-30X display MUCH better!
The Casio classwiz is more capable in that it does 4x4 matrices, 4 simultaneous equations, and 4th degree polynomials. In other countries people have always been accustomed to the better Casios with better prices. The 36x pro would never make it there. Here in the USA, TI has had such a grip on the American education system since the 70s. TI doesn’t need to improve the calculators much for us. Students are forced to buy overpriced, obsolete technology, so why give us the better product? It’s not about what’s better for the student.
Good point about the 4x4 matrices on the fx-991EX Classwiz. That might push some to the Casio. And, yes, TI definitely made a brilliant move by convincing high school math teachers and text book publishers that the TI-84 and its graphing capabilities was the ultimate. No way. The ultimate combo is Desmos.com for graphing and an advanced scientific like the fx-991EX Classwiz or the TI-36X Pro/TI-30X Pro MathPrint. But, most teachers will not let you use Desmos.com. For 98% of high school math, an advanced scientific calculator would beat the TI-84 and all its variants.
@@scottcollins7513 Similar situation with the Casio fx-991cw. Seams to be a little faster than the 991ex but might not have much more other than a dice roll feature. They scrambled the functions around on the keyboard and menus, and changed the keyboard look and fonts on the screen but seems to use the same screen. Isn’t even available yet in the USA. Have you seen this yet? Not sure why they bothered to produce this new one.
@@dgm2006 DMG, I've given up trying to understand the how's and why's of what models are sold in what countries. From what I can tell, the fx-991CW is more like the fx-991ES/fx-115ES) in terms of functionality -- it has a nicer screen and maybe some additional functionality, but it is not as powerful as the fx-991EX Classwiz. I could be wrong, but this is my current understanding.
@@scottcollins7513 I understand what you mean. Casio has updated the 115es to look like a classwiz. But no, the CW is a full blown Classwiz. There seems to be very little information about it, but check out the video “Who is the next shift solve king?” What the 991ex does in 5 seconds the CW does in 3 seconds.
@@dgm2006 I found the video you are referring to -- czcams.com/users/shortszXSSUA78rn8
Interesting. I guess I have it wrong. I'll have to see if the 991CW is offered in the USA. THANKS for bring this calculator up and for showing me that it DOES have the solve functionality after-all.
2 things that I've noticed about the 30X MP is: 1 it has a very easily scratched screen. 2 It can't raise 'e' to the power of '2*Pi*i'; the result is an error.😢
1. Good point about the screen being more easily scratched; I had not thought much about that, but agree it is the case. Still, I prefer the better contrast, resolution, and black LCD look even if it means a little less scratch resistant. 2. Neither the TI-36X Pro nor the TI-30X Pro MathPrint can do this -- sad trombone.
I believe these discrepancies are due to differences in testing requirements between the US and Europe. seeing as TI's largest customer base is students, this is the only thing I could come up with.
You are probably right. Still, I wish they would offer both in that case. Similar to how CASIO offers the fx-115ES and fx-991EX which are very similar. The downside is that it creates confusion on the part of the average consumer since it's hard to know which one to get.
@@scottcollins7513 in Europe fx-115ES is fx-991ES. And fx-300ES is fx-85ES. Here the difference between ES and EX is more clear: ES is just a redesign of previous calculator, and EX is a new improved version
@@prosto1076 Good to know. Thanks for the info, Andrey.
Where can i buy this Ti-30x Pro and how much is it?
I bought mine in 2022 here: www.rarewaves.com/products/3243480105927-ti-30x-pro-mathprint
I hate that blue LCD/polarizer(?) its just harder to see.
I think you are right. Black generally seems to have better readability.
Agree. For prolonged use as in the case during the 8 hour PE exam, you want maximum ergonomics of your machine. So BW, high-res screen of 30x mp is best.
What if you could change the polarizer?
It's a pity that when converting coordinates, the TI-30X Pro gives only one size (x or y) or (r or angle) in the response.
CASIO and SHARP give both at the same time in the answer😒
AGREE. Definitely inferior in this regard. Good point.
Does the 30X give exact answers for trig functions? Just noticed the 36X does not, and I just got it a week ago. How the hell are you supposed to work with radians like that?
If you want to give me a few sample questions, I will try it out. I will say that for things like sin(60) or sin(315), it DOES give exact answers like you are wanting.
@@scottcollins7513 Try something with pi in the denominator. If I give it, say, 35/10 as a fraction and hit enter, it simplifies it for me to 7/2. If I give it 35/10pi as a fraction, it gives me 1.114... It doesn't seem to know what to do with it, and won't just leave pi there. Also it will sometimes give exact answers (with pi or roots) and other times not, but that one seems to consistently give an approximation. I don't really see why. It's very weird.
@@scottcollins7513 Actually, if I had to guess, it tries to rationalize the denominator, but can't rationalize pi
@@cbraundev I am using the FRACTION button (NOT division button) to create the 35pi/10 and (35/10)pi (without parenthesis, but I don't have a way to show the fraction). In both cases the calculator provides the exact answer of 7pi/2. My hunch is you are using the division key rather than the fraction key. The TI-36X Pro and the TI-30X Pro MathPrint give the same results.
@@scottcollins7513 I am using the fraction button, which is why I specified it. That's so strange. I'm not sure what could cause a difference. That one doesn't change when you switch between degrees and radians either. I also just tried arccos(sqrt(2)/2) for a homework problem. In degrees, it'll give me 45, but in radians, it gives me 0.7853... But If I covert 45 degrees to radians using the math menu, it actually gives me pi/4. So I don't see why it would do it sometimes and not others for the same number.
The 30 XPro uses two CR2032 batteries, while the 36 XPro uses only one. How is the battery life?
Greg, I did not realize that the 30 used two of the batteries. I only just had to replace the battery in my 36 after 3-4 years or so -- I do not have a feel for the 30 since I have only had it for a year. Good question -- sorry I do not have a better answer.
@@scottcollins7513 Not a problem. I’m guessing that it would last at least two years. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
How to find the second value of x using 991ex
Like this equation. 250 * x^2/2 = 8.5*942* (450-x)
My phone gave me 2 answers
X = -204.80239
X = 140.746398
But when I entered the equation in 991ex first it gave me the first answer multiple times,
But after a while it gave me the second one.
The "best" way to do it using the calculator would be to rearrange the equation into standard form of: a*x^2 + b*x + c = 0 and then using the polynomial solver to get x1 and x2 (like your calculator). The problem is that it requires being comfortable with algebra.
The good news is that you can use the solver. The part you are missing is giving your calculator an initial guess for x. When you first hit SOLVE you will notice that it comes up with x=somenumber highlighted in black -- when you see that, change it to +1000 and then hit = sign TWICE. You will get the positive root. Then solve again, but this time set your initial guess for x to be -1000. Then you will get the negative root. You can fool around w/ the starting values and typically be able to come up w/ both roots.
This video might help: czcams.com/video/nHFTNqgnCCw/video.html
@@scottcollins7513 thank you sir, it worked
@@scottcollins7513 How to choose a starting guess in ti-36x pro? In some rare cases I get different roots depending on the guess. I typically use guesses 0, 1, 999.
In some rare cases a guess can result in an undesired root, which is unacceptable in a high-stress, timed scenario during the PE exam.
How do you efficiently deal with making guesses for trial and error scenarios during an exam in a 36x pro and 30x mp modern machines?
Thanks.
The ti 84 plus ce doesn't give exact answers either and its $150. Minewhile the ti 83 premium ce is the same thing sold only in France and it gives exact answers and is cheaper. I guess some people are afraid of exact answers.
I’ve given up trying to make sense of the product marketing and strategy of the calculator market - so strange.
7 ,,, is good
If 30X pro mathprint had a good visual design, it would be the best scientific calculator
Hmm. I think it looks good. My biggest issue is the price -- $45 is too much for what it is (I can get a similar CASIO fx-991EX for under $25).
@@scottcollins7513 Problem with the CASIO as you stated is you lose the history when you power it off. That's kind of a big hangup for me. I have other more advanced calculators but I am looking for something that's quick to use and can give exact solutions. And this seems to hit that spot. May not be worth it to everyone but to me I wouldn't mind paying $45 for it.
@@SirMo Well said and good point.
Is that a non-programmable scientific calculator?
YES.
@@scottcollins7513 I hope it’s allowed in Licensure Exam here in the Philippines 🤞
My company paid for the ti-30x pro for me lol
SCORE! Cool when companies provide good tools; plus, they end up benefiting w/ happy and more productive employees.
meh worth the $44.50 for me. i can always justify getting the right tool if im using it regularly.
No doubt that having the right tools for the job are nearly always worth the money. Good point.
10:53 We owe it to America he thinks.
Capitalism shows you the middle finger once again.
Made me laugh out loud. Thank you!
Se paras, muuta ei kannata katsoa😊
I had to translate your Finnish -- yes, I agree TI-30X Pro MathPrint is the best of the bunch, but costs twice as much in the USA as the competition. Still, it is my favorite one of this style of calculator. Thanks for leaving a comment!
Finally a calculator to retire my fx991dex
In the USA, it is a lot more expensive, but aside from the price, it is a very good device. I think you'll be happy w/ it.
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Press the f=d button man, same thing 😂
At which part of the video are you referring to -- I'd like to try it out since you might know something I do not. Thanks, Veysel.
Hello Scott, My machine doesn't work with the poly. Solving, thank you for sharing this video, why each operation it gives me different roots? I don't know how trust this Calc
One is $55, other $15.
I think that in the U.S. graphing calculators are very popular. And $40.00 for a barely noticeable difference seems very expensive. At that price point you might as well splurge and get a TI-83 Plus or 84 Plus graphing calculator that will get you all the way through college.
For twice the price it just doesn't seem worth it. I rather spend another $50.00 and get full on graphing abilities at that point.
$20.00 for a scientific calculator is an ok deal. But $40.00? Nah.
And at that point if you are looking for an exact answer, you're probably already going to be rocking a TI-89 Titanium or Nspire CX Ⅱ CAS.
Yes, at $40 it is a tough sell, but if they sold it for $25, I think it would be compelling.
I'm personally not a fan of the TI-83/84 family of calculators. They are definitely a very popular calculator in the US among high schoolers, but I think this is because they are promoted by teachers who are unaware of better-value options like the TI-36X Pro and CASIO fx-991EX.
True, the TI-83/84 do graph, and if that is a true need, then non-graphing calculators come up short; in my experience teaching high school math graphing is rarely needed, though, until you get into something like a Calc course.
For exact answers, the CASIO fx-991EX Classwiz is great for under $25. A TI-30X Pro MathPrint for $25 would be even better, but it is a moot point when they do not even sell it in the US and to get one from the UK is around $45.
Thanks for the thoughtful comments.
It depends on how and where you are using the machine. In my case, for the PE exam, the $40 30x mp is the best allowable machine. In this highly niche scenario this machine is king.