Ranking every Electric Multiple Unit in Britain, Part 1: The Bottom 15
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2022
- Upon popular request, here is the ranking of every electric multiple unit class in passenger service in Britain! There are some good, some bad, and today we'll be focussing on the bad.
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The 458 has scored too highly, but the 717 is too low, that staircase is brilliantly integrated.
It is brilliantly integrated, but the interiors let a lot down.
@@GWVillager yeah
@@GWVillager The interiors suck but the rest of the train is pretty good, if they replaced the ironing board with seats id say it would be a pretty good train
also they are not ugly
with new seats i rank them 47/70
Hear me out: the class 700 is a really good train, they will last forever, very good build quality, it’s got great passenger screens and they have huge capacity. The only things wrong with them is that they have bad seats.
Also 376 and 466 are great for their job, and the 465/466 have more comfortable seats than some 1st class seats….
Those 700s are horrific, I know someone who works on southerns network and the 700s cause the most problems. The 700s are incredibly uncomfortable, they look boring and soul less. Absolutely horrific trains would love to see them wiped of the face of the earth, the only good thing about them is air con and lots of space. Even first class is pathetic, doesn't even match some modern standard classes it's so under par for a modern train where it doesn't match up to where it should be. Just another boring people carrier with no soul or character. Horrible trains and awful things considered to modern standard.
Thats why the 700 got 1 out of 10 for passenger comfort
None of the sliding door trains with 1:3/2:3 door configuration should be used on long distance services. The excessive station dwell times of stock like the class 158 is due to the detailed layout at the entrances; there is a bottleneck.
The 700 series have hideous front ends and then there are the absurd curved windows. Siemens got the end designs right with the class 450. What were they thinking of?
376, is no longer fit for the customer base it serves.
@@Sheffield5047
What's wrong with the class 376 for the North Kent services on which they operate?
The BR class 415 (with BR mark 1 bodies) were the most comfortable of the inner suburban stock, plenty of comfortable seats and short station dwell time as the passengers were well trained into using the slam doors sensibly, at least when they were introduced. The Southern had the option of introducing sliding door stock in the 1950s when the original Southern Railway units were coming out of service, but specifically chose to retain the slam door type because of the advantages mentioned.
New slam door stock was introduced on the Metropolitan Railway from the 1920s onwards. Replacement by sliding door stock took until 1960, following the long period of operation and testing of prototypes from 1947 onwards. This was the A stock, Unfortunately BR seems not to have followed the design principles established by London Transport's long development programme.
Another plus point to the 717s that you omitted is the walk-through aspect, which does give them a good boost.
In defence of the 376s, they were deliberately built to be as spartan as possible because they are used primarily on routes through parts of south east London where, if there is anything on the train that can be broken, it will be broken. Likewise, they omitted end gangways between units to reduce opportunities for train-surfing.
I love the 313s, 314s, 507s, 508, and other PEP-derived units. They're beautiful trains.
Me too, I don’t live too far from the Merseyrail network, but they’re getting scrapped not preserved.
Class 313s are shit for long journeys, especially with the fact they have no toilets. It makes sense to scrap them
319 needs a bit more credit. I also think 700s are not that aesthetically pleasing.
7:26 The reason why the Class 378's have not been lengthened (or coupled together) is because 5 coaches is about as long as a train can get on the central section of the East London Line before a train will occupy 2 signal sections simultaneously, which would arguably make overcrowding far, far worse. Also the frequency is quite high too, with up to 16tph on that middle section, meaning you're getting 80 coaches per hour (which is more than suburban routes during peak hours like the Bexleyheath line at ~60)
See I get the fact that this video is made from a point of view in 2022, but when you consider the history of trains such as the 313s, of course I wasn't alive then but back in 1976 when they were introduced I'd imagine them to be incredibly modern trains with sliding doors and better seating etc. Considering they're almost 50 years old they're fairly reliable and well built trains. Anyway, this isn't me trying to argue, just pointing something out, I think this series has been brilliantly produced and edited, I'm about to go and watch the part 2 video now 🤣
The 313/415 series were regarded as dire when they came out. They compared unfavourably with earlier sliding door stock such as the pre nationalisation and London Underground types.
They also look beautiful because of their elegant and very ‘English’ modernism
I'm on the fence about the Class 700. If you were to judge them as a train for metro services I think they're pretty good. I commute on them most days from zone 2 to zone 2 through central London and while I hate the ironing board seats, they are tolerable for 30 minutes. Everything else about them is a big upgrade over the the class 319 that ran on the route before. There's a lot more standing room, the air con is really good, the open gangways between carriages make it feel more spacious, the information screens are good, the windows are big.
But as a long distance train they're awful. For a London to Brighton journey I find the seats painful, especially in one of the airline-style window seats.
I'm also a big fan of the 378, because I lived along the East London line when they were introduced and they're such a massive upgrade over the old tube stock that used to run the service. I think they're basically as long as they can be because of short platforms along the East London line that can't be extended, and in that case the longitudinal seating makes sense. I'm always grateful for the extra standing room any time I have to cram into one during rush hour.
I think my opinions are coloured by how much of an upgrade those two classes are and how horrified I was by taking a Pacer on a suburban route in Newcastle a couple of years ago. I'm not thinking about how good they should be but rather how much worse they could have been.
1:43 I saw the 390 and thought "No, he didn't, did he?"
Same 😂😂
Great video! I think this ranking is fair
i didnt expect the 313 in last place
personally i like them because of their sound but also thry used to run on my local route so there special to me
Fair enough, personal preferences play a lot into this.
There are two bad things about the 313: the absence of toilets and the bad relative positions of the seats and the windows. These trains were originally built to replace first-generation DMUs (and in the rush-hour also loco-hauled trains) on the Great Northern inner suburban services. These included the Moorgate to Finsbury Park line that British Rail had just taken over from London Underground and that has several stations in the tunnel. Mid 70s train toilets used to dump onto the track, which would have been quite unacceptable on the Moorgate line. British Rail reasoned that people could do without toilets on the longest journey you would normally make on this line, Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone. 313s have later been put on some much longer routes for which they are not really suitable. The 313 is one of the fastest-accelerating trains, with motors on eight of the twelve axles on each unit. When they were introduced it was claimed that a six-coach train would reach 40mph before the last coach left the platform. The earlier DMUs which mostly had one motor coach and one trailer coach per unit would take nearly a mile to reach 40mph (at which speed the driver would change gear from third to fourth, unless it was one of the "Lea Valley" 3-coach units with Rolls-Royce engines and hydraulic transmission; these had in theory much more power but they were no faster) and had in practice a top speed of about 65mph which took miles to reach. The DMUs had windows in the back of the driver's cabs so in the daytime passengers could see out forwards and backwards and could also watch the driver and the instruments; we lost all this with the introduction of the 313s but on the other hand we did get much faster trains. The fact that the 313s served for about 46 years shows that there must be something good about them.
@@cedriclynch Damn i didnt expect to get a wikipedia page
At the end of the day this list ranking is just a matter of opinion and personal taste. Or as I like to call it, everyone has their own favourite ice cream flavours. I've been travelling on the 507s and 508s since childhood, and they have served me very faithfully throughout my life. I even own a worksplate from unit 508202, originally 508105 under Merseyrail. It's gonna be a sad day for me when their time comes, all things must pass regardless if we like it or not. I tend to be more old school when it comes to my hobbies, especially railways. I love steam and BR traction, but I don't care much for today's modern stock.
Can't believe the 313 is last. I can understand the hate for them on the Coastway route, sitting on one for the long haul sucks but they're neat and have a good sound and decent interior. the 700 hate is valid, they're really good Except for the seats imho. but even with the seating they're great if you just use them for the core tunnel
I don't understand why the 507s and 508s are 37th. They're sturdy units, comfortable, has a decent interior and good for the services that they run on.
While I do agree with the Class 507 and 508 as maybe looking a little bit odd as such, the comfort of them is definitely worth more than 2 in my opinion. When these trains were ordered, the Merseyrail network was owned by British Rail, hence the BR look and feel. The seats on the Merseyrail network I would say are quite good considering the use they get and how long they’ve had to live with passengers. I mean, I would say a 5 or 6. The 30-40 year old units will be replaced throughout the next 15 months by the Class 777 ‘Metro’ units, built like the Berlin U-BAHN.
Apart from this, I agree with most other comments about the other trains so for that, great video.
Thank you! I think the 507/508 seats must be personal preference, I’d make as bold a statement as to say that they’re the most uncomfortable in the country, but I can see why some people would prefer them to, say, a Fainsa Sophia. I’d still go with the latter though!
Would you rather have the 507 508 and 777 or 150 156 and 769
My favourites on these list are the 507/508 and 334, I really like them. 319 was deserving of its spot though, horrible acceleration, dirty and unreliable.
The 378s started as a 3 car. I worked for overground when they were introduced. They have twice had a coach added on the North London line to get the present 5car formation. The east London line started at 4 coaches and a 5th was added
Yeah, I'm aware they have been lengthened somewhat, but I think a little more could have happened. As others have pointed out though, platform lengths might get in the way, was that the reason why they haven't been extended any further?
@@GWVillager maybe because they are already a little bit big for some of their stations on the former underground section. I’m just taking a guess here though
@@GWVillager none of the east London line stations can have platforms extended as they are all in tunnels. As it is now Wapping/Canada water and rotherhithe the doors don't open in the last set of doors due to the coach being off the platform
Only a southerner would complain about new trains
Yes because we actually have standards.
After this series, do a series of loco hauled sets
I like older electric trains and newer modern electric trains. And the older electric trains have amazing traction motors. Plus with the Class 465 and Class 466 Southeastern wants to replace them with new rolling stocks in the next couple years.
Hopefully not with aventras, the don't sound good at all
I can only speak personally, but I used to do Croydon to Brighton and back (45-60 mins each way) multiple times a week on class 700 trains and found the seats actually very fine.
They're not the worst things in the world, I agree, but they're still rather terrible in the grand scheme of things.
I find them OK for a 40 minute commute. I suspect they are found wanting on, for example, a Peterborough to Gatwick trip.
I gotta agree with you on the class 455. Im 5ft7 and my knees are constantly pressed up against the seat infront of me. I dont usually sit on the blocks of 4 seats as theres always someone that sits next to you (not good when you have bags for school)
A lot of the BREL stocks are at the bottom because, well, they're getting old and haven't been given the attention and refurbishments they need. But I still like the older stocks for their thrash...
Sounds are one area where old trains really excel, yeah.
700s absolutely dont belong here. as someone who uses them regularly the seating is just "meh". not awful, not amazing either. they're just whatever, i've spent a good hour or two on them in the past and i've personally never been bothered by any discomfort. i think it really depends between people and i'm not sure it's a very good argument for its ranking, especially this low (although honestly i think the whole "ironing boards" argument is a bit redundant and over-exaggerated for most trains).
also i believe 720s should be lower. that interior is horribly cramped and i personally found it to be egregiously uncomfortable as a result. (also i just dont think aventras are all that good).
The desiro cities definitely belong down here. Awful comfort- note sure how they’re allowed to run on the Brighton to Cambridge route. Suppose someone commuting across London won’t mind as much…
Comfort is bad sure but personally I find everything else really good
@@petitkruger2175 I’ll hand it to them, the air conditioning is very good and welcome in the summer during a heatwave but it doesn’t make the lack of comfort acceptable on long journeys
Honestly the only thing wrong with them is the seats (which are very overhated and really not as bad as people claim). Obviously they're not the best but far from being the worst in my opinion
hope to see the 387 soon
The best of the EMUs are in the great rolling stock depot in the sky: classes 411/6, 421 and 415. Of current stock the 444 aren't bad, then 350 and some versions of 377.
I can’t see much wrong with the 313. They were designed to operate on 25 kV except for the short tunnel section from Drayton Park to Moorgate where they ran on 750 V. Performance on d.c. is not good, but good enough for this short section with low speeds and only a few station stops. What they were not well suited for was the Watford d.c. ‘new’ line, the North London line, Broad Street to Watford Junction until that service closed and the Coastway line; on all of these routes they operate only on d.c., which they were not designed for. On a.c. The performance is pretty good. What I don’t understand is how they had enough of these units to operate the Watford and North London services while they were still serving their original Great Northern suburban routes which they were designed for. Did they order too many of them, or were the Great Northern services reduced, freeing up some units? A similar situation seems to exist on the Tyne and Wear Metro, where services have been extended without extra units being ordered.
I grew up in South London with Southern 4-SUB, and 2 and 4 car EPB units in both SR and BR versions. Compared to these trains the class 313 seemed like something out of the space age; I still think of them as being modern. I would be interested to know how you would compare these old units from the ‘40s and ‘50s with those operating today. Would you say they were better with more comfortable seats, or worse because of their slam doors, lack of gangways between vehicles and single compartments?
Something I don’t like on some modern units is carpets. With snow, mud, spilled drinks etc. they soon look tatty; they do reduce the noise somewhat, but I much prefer something you can just run a mop over, and not just on trains. At least these days ravel sickness seems to be a rare thing, so they don’t often have to deal with vomit. Thankfully I never suffered, but in was very common on trips from my primary school. Maybe with increased travel our bodies have just got used to it these days.
Interesting about travel sickness, I don't think I've ever encountered anybody who experienced it on a train.
I would probably say the old slam door stock was better than the 313s, the seat comfort combined with compartments (I quite like them!) would have been rather nice. That said, they were probably getting too old by the 70s, just the 313s have very much served their time and could probably have done with a little more diplomatic seating. The terrible window alignment is a flaw too, it seems BR didn't really do plug doors in those days.
I travel on the class 313's often and they can be pretty awful in my opinion. Oldest EMU's still in service in the country as far as I'm aware. They operate about 50% of the Brighton - Portsmouth services, which is by no means a short journey, it's 1h 30m altogether. They're very uncomfortable, super noisy inside, always look dirty and quite often become extremely overcrowded (especially when going in the direction of Brighton). I just don't think they're fit for purpose on the Coastway West Line. They're okay for short Brighton to Lewes to Eastbourne services but the Class 377's should be left for the Brighton - Portsmouth/Southampton route.
They have character though admittedly. I by chance travelled on 313201 a little while ago which has been repainted in its original BR Blue Livery to celebrate that it is the oldest still in service EMU in the country. So that was pretty cool.
I heard that Southern does try to allocate 377s to Brighton-Portsmouth duties, however with the reduction in available stock following the withdrawal of 455s this has become more difficult recently. How long has this 50/50 balance been going on for?
From what I've seen while at Portsmouth harbour, most 313s seem to operate Portsmouth-Littlehampton, which fits them in my opinion. I do agree that they could use 377 for Portsmouth-Brighton (they already do from Southampton).
The 334’s are not bad at all i use them everyday and they sound and look amazing and are very comfortable
318s are getting old but they still have good comfort
Thanks for adding me 😁
If you think the Class 507/508 are uncomfortable, wait until you get on a 777. The old units have done sterling service through Merseyside and into Cheshire and Lancashire.
GWVILLAGER-in 37th place we have the class 507/508
ME- * immediately goes on 2 hour rant about why 507/508 are the best trains are they always will be*
You forget that the 313 units were designed to operate on the Northern City line after transfer from London Transport in 1975. As well as the North London Line (which is why they had both overhead AC and 3rd rail DC
Hence like the Class 507/508 they were also designed for tight loading gauges in tunnels.
The 313 units did there job well
Also they were comfortable unlike hideous Class 700!
The class 484s aren't bad but still prefer the 483 (1938 stock)
I have to agree, they had a real charm to them.
I think the class 319s are good trains, although they are very old (37 years running)
They have now been converted to class 769 bi-modes
I would personally add the 707 to this list. Just below the 700. Because there are less features on the 707 than the 700. Like no AC operation and No toilet.
The 707’s routes better suit their style though, which raises them somewhat.
707001 and 707002 have pantographs, and the rest of the fleet have provisions Incase its needed in the future
@@ElectroBlade-jm3jl really?
@@EGPFAviation yeah, it was so they could test the trains
@@ElectroBlade-jm3jl Wow, that's interesting
I was depressed when you gave the score for the class 334 but I am wonder what train would better fit the routes that it runs?
Class 700 Brighton to Cambridge in fact the ride quality is enjoyable and the seats are really comfy
06:02 I would have given the class 700 a 2 on passenger comfort, because if you really hate sitting on an ironing board, theres the option of sitting in the declassified first class at the back of the train. Doesn't get any more than that, because theres obviously no guarantee of a seat.
Curious to see where the Class 323 ends up
bro just ranked my fav train in 37th place. Like I'm not mad or anything but I just love them. And was overtaken by a tram
The class 378s have to go through the East London Line tunnel and the stations there (at least some of them anyway) only have capacity for four or five coaches. That's why they have the 'gang' seating rather than forward/rear facing.
I definitely would rank the class 700 higher. Their ride quality is actually quite good, which I would personally score a 7 or 8 out of 10. In my opinion, longitudinal seating (like that on class 378 or 710) would score a 1 out of 10, but the 700 would score a 3 out of 10 like the 707. The abundance toilets and first class being an upgrade from standard also helps improve passenger comfort. I do however agree with purpose being a 5 out of 10. Overall, the class 700 would be placed near the start of the middle video, although I do not like their sounds. A train which does have a bad ride quality and should be ranked near this spot would be the 387.
the 720s arent that bad considered that commuters actually wanted more seats and they responded to GA that they didnt want 1st class but wanted more seating which if you compare them to the 321s that they had before and the 360s they do offer a good replacement as no one wants to stand on an hour+ long train ride
On 8:30 we have clear evidence how commuters behave are extremely affecting trains performance and reliability. A passangers ranking could be an interesting toping though, as many do not deserve a freight wagon to travel on. No worst train on any list beats human stupidity.
I personally (kinda) disagree with the Class 313 rating, the reason its capped at 75MPH is because of the services it operated on, although i agree with everything else
Bro 313's should definitely be in the top 3 they look and sound incredible
no mate they are shit just like all PEPs
@@chungusgoat1460 No there not 🤣💀
in our area 313 is the worst of the worst when you have many other options such as the 197, 231 and even the occasional passing of the Britannia through chester
are you trying to be dumb?
do you plan to include the 315s? They were retired a week ago.
I did plan to, but they just preceded my window, so aren't included.
@@GWVillager ok
I wonder what score the class 325 would get if you could travel on one😂
As a regular commuter on the West Coastway Line, glad to see the 313 get the hate it deserves. Hellish transportation and can't wait until they are removed
Southern don't plan to get rid of them they will just have 12 of them after the December 2023 timetable change.
@@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire I'm aware they don't plan of getting rid of them soon, just I'm looking forward to the day when they're gone. Will be interesting to see how they are deployed when they go down to 12. Hopefully mainly on the ECWL!
They're unsuitable cascades, and it shows. Unfortunately I can't see where Southern will get any replacement stock.
@@TheGregcellentThere use after December 2023 with be for special events only.
@@GWVillager They are suitable for the Coastway routes maybe a retractioning with AC motors might help to improve there acceleration which is already better than the 315's even when the 313 is on Third Rail.
Surprised you don’t like the sound of the 334 but love the sound of the 458 they basically have the same traction motors near enough
I think the class 378 should be ranked a bit higher. Longitudinal seating is perfect for the routes they operate on and their length is justified as they operate quite frequently (and most platforms on their route are too short). Furthermore, they can operate with AC wires and DC 3rd rail
Yeah they're not bad, and I broadly agree with you, but the 710s are more capable I have to say.
@@GWVillager True, they even have USB charging points, and often operate in double sets on the Lea Valley lines
Excuse me, 319s sound amazing and look really nice you meant ;-(
717s as far as I'm concerned, are 100mph capable. But have been capped
I would not mention Aesthetics to this ranking if i was the author of the video, as this specific point do not make a train better or worst than others. A train is a public mean of transport and not a car in someone's private property's garage primarily bought to take their owner from A to B but at the same time to make him feel proud and satisfied of its appearance when showing off its colour, design and visual features to other members of the public. Furthermore aesthetics are a very personal and subjective oppinion matter that can easily lead to crazy and unecessary arguments, whilst performance is unarguably based in facts regardless nostalgic affection between the machine and their lover. Railway companies for sure do not care much about aesthetics as trains safety and functionality among operational economic aspects are top priorities . My oppinion. Thank you for sharing this fantastic videos.
Oh indeed, it's really not a big factor, I should have included weighting on the different categories. That said, aesthetics *do* matter a bit: iconic, well designed public transport vehicles allow them to enter the public imagination and bolster support, just look at classic Great Western steam locos or the Routemaster.
I have a thing for the 717, i like how it looks because it looks more unique to me personally than many other emu on the british railway network. But the 700 is far better to me just because i don't like the cab having s door in the middle of it.
2:23 Having recently traveled from London Euston to Watford Junction, this train was horrible to be on. It was super noisy, rattled a lot, seats were super low down and uncomfortable I don't know why it had to be so horrible. And yes, the train looks so ugly I've honestly never understood how a train can look so unappealing.
Southern 455/s were replaced may 22
Imo there is no bad electric train. Only bad diesel trains
Carpeted floor looks great and saves a lot of energy during cold season when heating is much required, but with a so careless society making trains their childwood bedroom to have the freedom to chuck all their rubbish includding chewing gum so hard to remove off carpets, i think plane flooring is a much better solution and carpets are no longer making sense at least out of First Class carriages to give some extra ambience to such an expensive service to expect to be worth the price to travel. Who cares about flooring on a communter journey appart from having a seat on the floor?
319s should be higher, they are comfortable, make brilliant thrash , are great for busy services considering it's age snd they have great build quality which is why they have lasted so long. Think it's the only emu on that list to go through the channel tunnel and that's got to give it some merit has it not?
Considering the 373/374s travel through the Channel Tunnel multiple times daily, I’m not sure! I do see your point though, but they just don’t cut it these days.
Oh no, the 318, 320, and 334 scored so low. They’re the ones I use the most often 😅 at least they got a “get the job done with nothing wrong” rating rather than a “lacking” rating like the 313.
I’ve definitely got a soft spot for the 31x front end though. It’s not flashy but it’s to the point. And I think it’s much better proportioned than some of the modern ones!
Interesting you say that, I think they’re hideous!
@@GWVillager and I think those ones which you rated higher on aesthetics with the gangways and busy slopey angular fronts are hideous, haha. I don’t think the 31x beautiful like eg the 1930s London Underground trains, but their simplicity and utility does remind me of the 1960s and 70s Tube trains. I like that they at least get out of the way and do their job. No extra complications.
Class 399 is not a train, is a DC source energized tram but numbered as an AC electric unit just because runs on NWR metals. Weird.
Yeah I know, in retrospect I shouldn’t have included it.
I do not know what's so great about carpets in commuter trains. Especially in bad weather i don't think they're a good idea. At least with regular flooring you can clean up the mess rather quickly. On longer range higher grade services or express services yes please give me carpets, but those commuter trains? Absolutely not. I also never paid enough attention to there being a carpet or not when it's just for the aesthetic and a few decibels less when people are moving.
But seats in which you can sit for 2 hours without them being uncomfortable? Those should be in all trains. Absolute must.
And if the carpets are easy to clean, i don't know about how easy they are to clean specifically, then put them in there, but otherwise, i prioritise by a long short comfortable seats.
Do not understand why class 720 is on this top with such a good review compared to all others. Thei are really nice and is such a shame a successful family of trains dating from 1990s called Turbo and Electrostar trains having now a successor, still in very low production in favor of mass CAF and Stadler imports, making Britain so dependent of Continental Europe train designs trends. No wonder poor quality modern trains on commuter's perspective when Bombardier Derby could do better in many ways as we can see.
why did dual voltage net the 700 more points but do nothing for the 313 or 319
Because the 313 and 319 are bad on both.
Like you 2+3 seating is never ok
Networkers rank high for me 😀For me , aventras rank low as a result of their non existing motor sounds...eww. they function well but the front cabs are atrocious, and lack of sound kill it for me.
My favourite trains are the Class 507 And Class 508
shocked the 720 is in the bottom 15
My personal british electric trains are the slam doors.
Can somebody please explain to me why the class 455s and 456s haven't got tightlock couplers, their from the 80s, and the class 325s from the 90s, even the class 313-315s have them and their from the 70s (before u ask, the class 442s have buckeyes and, buffers and jumper cables is so they can run on unelectrified lines by diesels in case of diversions).
I believe the 455s and 456s do have tightlock couplers.
@gwvillager tightlock couplers have the electrical connection pins under the coupler knuckle and no hoses, it's fully automatic, the 455s and 456s don't have electrical connection pins and they do have the hoses. And why do the class 325s have buckeye couplers and buffers?
@@Sebi1963 Tightlock has nothing to do with the electrical/brake hose connections. See page 167 of this BR book of technical information. web.archive.org/web/20150121172506/www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Diagram_Book_210_for_Issue.pdf
The 325s use buckeye and buffers in case they need to be towed by locomotives.
@@GWVillager oh ok thanks for that, I didn't know.
The 399 is awful they run on the sst network but are only allowed on certain pars unless they're two of the ones that aren't allowed at network rail defeating their whole point
Uhh, I actually do like the class 319s…
I went in the cab of 700103 at Horsham station
313 looks a very tired unit.
Me questioning GW's idea of a very short time and long time...
Yes, I don't exactly know my own definition either...
@@GWVillager lol
since I live st albans city on the on the midland mainline the only way for me to get to london is by the class 700 . I travel on them quite often I think that there fine trains but there seats are not that comfortable now that I think about it 150 km routes are quite long for a commuter train but other than that there fine trains but the class 717 are fine trains that staircase has a brilliant purpose no toilets is not good I used to travel hitchin to finsbury park then get great northern to moorgate and the trains do not go well with long distance routes and the class 139 and the class 230s routes could be extended by 5 6 7 terminals
I also sounded the horn of 700103
THE 700 DESERVES 1ST
I'm gonna get hate for this, but I went on a 700 between Bedford and St Pancras (about an hour or so?) and... the ironing board seats that are so hated... weren't that bad. they weren't the best, don't get me wrong, but they were fine.
They're not as terrible as some say, I have to agree, but the interior has more issues that just the seats, e.g the complete lack of soft furnishings, tables, carpets etc.
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Naww the 319 was the second lowest... 💀
Eh hem I once missed a train by 5 minutes and 1 of them was cancelled for more trains needing maintenance so I don’t think that there reliable
This was on the third rail lines
Also 458 is earape I think
i do not agree on the 313,319,455,507 and 508 being so low those trains are quite nice looking they sound nice (as you said) i can agree the 3+2 seating is absolutely S T U P I D but i don’t understand the other problems about them being ugly…
the 465 rating is not bad ngl i would agree..
Didn't particularly like the 390 's . From a drivers point of view. Give me an 87 any day.
Win 455 because of motor sounds and suspension.
5,6,7 terminals not 567 terminals
The 455s are good, for a daily commute they are not hateful in my opinion
Their performance lets them down though.
@@GWVillager The 455's can keep to better than a 458 or a 450. Even though the acceleration is not the best the time to open and close the doors are much faster. 75mph limit is fine for the routes they run on. The if the 701's were geared for 85mph then you can reach a speed closer to the speed limit before you have to slow down. SWML slow lines maximum speed is 90mph but I would not think the 701's would get above 75mph or 80mph due to how close the stations are. 455's have hopper windows meaning more traction motor sounds.
@@GWVillager If they were being used from Portsmouth to Waterloo expresses I would agree. However 75 is acceptable on the routes they serve and they are better than the 701s
313 and 315 are the best trains in britain
all peps are the best butmy fravrit class pep i 507/8
I prefer DMU’s
318s are way better than 334s. Period. And 376s are better than 378s.
I never understood the hate for the 717 and 700. Personally, they are my favourite trains. I used to do my commute to uni on them and I've done the full length of Cambridge - Brighton, and I also somewhat regularly travel up to Cambridge to see my partner whilst they're away for uni. I've genuinely always found the seats to be quite comfortable. Also, I think the front of the 717 just looks cool
, what is the Germans have better trains than us?
das kannst doch ned ernst nehmen xD
Diesel is better just saying
man is waffling here lol