Cadillac V16 engine family
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- Today on what it’s like engine episode Wednesday, I mean Thursday Cadillac V16 engine family. Cadillac made the V16 from 1929 (1930-1940) for their Halo cars, 2 generations in ohv and flathead configurations.
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Prince- when the doves cry
Yeah buddy you got it and you were the first one to do so =)
Correction, its "When Doves Cry"
I’ll allow it
he was probably excited who knows it could’ve been auto correct
@@What.its.like. Thanks- Yeah, I was just typing real fast 'cause I got excited. I'm thinkin, 'Wow! I'm actually here for a premier and I know the song!!!! My life has found new meaning!!!'
...And another thing- your music quizzes are way harder than the daily car quizzes I do on my community page.
The 1930 and 1931 V-16s were one the absolute most elegant American cars EVER!!
Unusual short stroke for the time. More main bearings = better.
30 Caddy That red caddy is a real beauty.
40 Caddy
The V16 era was the heyday for luxury cars. Big engines in big cars.
Sweet choices =)
I can see Sloan approving the first V-16. It was their halo brand and the twenties economy was on a tear. But to completely redesign the engine to make a cheap V-16 flatty for a consumer class with "generational wealth" seems crazy. Especially in light of most all the premium end competition being done and dusted by 1938. They only made 500 of them. If one were to amortize the sunk costs of design, development, durability testing, tooling, etc. - divided by 500 engines, it's like putting a stack of $100 bills in the glovebox of every V-16 car delivered. My dad was born in 1924 and related stories about those beautiful OHV engines when he was a teen. He eventually treated himself with a '69 model in his forties - dreadful bronze/brown tank I remember as a little kid. He was 6'6 and liked the spaciousness. But he really enjoyed the satisfaction of knowing he drove a Cadillac.
Awesome insight =)
1: All of them.
2: All of them.
Picking a favorite body style is like picking a favorite animal; it changes all the time.
It would be insanely hard to pick I really love the later body styles because they worked so mundane you wouldn’t know it was a Cadillac v16 unless you knew it was like Packard twinsix
@@What.its.like. I saw that, but I like the cars looking proud to be Cadillac in general.
The ‘36 was gigantic. The’38 was gigantic. I love them all.
I know where there’s a second generation Cadillac V 16 going to review it =)
It’s at the same location the first generation the16th at maybe we can do a comparison one day that would be epic
The original 452 V16 was a completely new design exclusive to Cadillac and designed by Cadillac engineers. It was also the first engine to ever be "designed" to be viewed, demonstrated, and admired for it's asthetic beauty.
Great information =)
1930 Cadillac love a soft top ☺️
I've driven a 1st generation over head valve 👏👏👏👏 smoth as silk 🥰❤️
Never drove 2nd generation 😞
Useless Trivia 😂..
David Lee Roth is playing acoustic guitar on that song 😮.. he rarely played on Van Halen Albums 🤷🍦🧑💼
Enjoy your day and Happy Motoring 🤠✌️👋👋
That’s crazy I did not know that I didn’t know that David Lee Roth played an instrument I thought he used his mouth like a instrument lol
They asked me at the museum if I wanted to drive that car and I told them no there’s some cars and that I just don’t feel comfortable driving that’s one of them.. but I said I would drive a Packard lol
@@What.its.like. I saw Van Halen in 1978 at the Texxas Jam at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas ..They threw Frisbees around the crowd 😂.. A different time ☺️
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1300lbs! Sheesh! Still, I would mount one in my living room, and just drool at it.
Since I have a working rear floor heater for the 1938 V16, I will go with that one.
Sweet =)
I'm an early 1930's Chrysler man myself, but if someone put a gun to my head, I would have to choose a 1932 Caddy V16 Coupe.
A friend once owned a 1938 Caddy 16 [side valve] Limo. It was an ex US embassy car here in Australia. So SMOOOOOTH.
Reading in the book "Cadillac the complete history by Maurice Hendry." he wrote about the V-16 that Cadillac started with Packard's straight 8 crankshaft design, and engineering it for 16 cylinders and casting a common crankcase, designed the cylinder banks as 2 straight 8's with the cylinders firing 22.5 degrees from each other-thus the smoothness. First pick the 34 V-16; the 2nd I would pick any 38-40 V-16 Cadillac's in the rare 2 door coupe body, my favorite body style. I am sure someone beat me guessing the tune "When doves cry."
That’s super interesting =)
The early V16 had nothing to do with the Buick straight 8 which did not come out until 1931. It was a stand alone design.
noo.
Regarding the later v-16 design, by the mid 30's cars were beginning to get lower hoodlines and were lower overall, so the first v-16, due to the 45 degree bank angle was too tall. As for the switch to flathead, if you have ever heard a properly built STOCK Ford flathead run then one thing that is very noticeable is how quiet they are. Flatheads by any manufacturer with their simple valvetrains are inherently very quiet. Also, the later V-16 with it's 135 degree bank angle allowed for packaging the intake and exhaust manifolds between the cylinder banks, so those components were not competing for space with the newly developed independent front suspensions. The early 45 degree v-16 had no room in the Vee for the intake and exhaust manifolds. If they had developed cross flow cylinder heads (intake on one side, exhaust on the other) for the early engine it still would have made for an even taller engine with the intake manifold squeezed into that limited space.
Awesome information, I just can’t believe that Cadillac went through all that trouble to redesign that engine for three years they didn’t do anything else with it the crazier thing yet is that engine was smaller or at least they had a smaller footprint than the outgoing overhead valve version and produce the same amount of power.. it’s an interesting engine that’s for sure
By 1938 the octane ratings for gasoline had improved greatly from what was available for the 1930 release of the first V-16, so the later engine could use a higher compression ratio (7 to 1, vs 5.45 to 1) which helps explain how that engine was able to equal the power of the first version despite a less sophisticated valvetrain design.@@What.its.like.
This is a really nice engine for my proto type.
I love that you made this video, I had never heard of the later flat 16. My friend has a distributer cap for the early 16. He uses it as a pincle holder.
Glad you enjoyed this video I was going to do the Studebaker V8 but I hit a little bit of a wall with that one I might need to go to the library to research that topic.. studebaker v8 engine family is one that coming. Would love to feature more engines that often get overlooked
@: "robertsteel1998":
*pencil holder;...
Cadillac made light tank engines in WWII. Stuart I think. Maybe one of these. Ford made the best Sherman engine, a V 8. Chrysler made the multi bank Sherman engine which the British used.
The Stuart tanks all had radial engines, Continental gas and Giberson diesel engines. Cadillac V8s were used in many smaller tracked military vehicles. The multi bank engines made by Chrysler were five 6cyl. engines on a common crank case in Sherman tanks for the British army.
@@chrismurnane6389 The M5 and M5A1 Stuarts were powered by twin Cadillac V8s through single Hydramatic transmission and a transfer case.
Cadillac also toyed with a third-gen V-16 in the 1960's when they were experimenting with the Eldorado. The less radical Eldorado won out...
Interesting =)
There is a really good web site in India where a lot of exotic antiques get featured . One was a Caddy V16 still in the hands of its original family owners . Its all original and still runs like new . 😊
1932 V16
1939-40 with updated dash. Like the 7 passenger sedans as well as club sedans ( only 20 of those made between 1938-40)
Sweet choices =)
The 1929 Cadillac V16 is one of my favorite cars from the 1920s-1930s. Such beautiful limousines
Today’s episode hopefully is going to be on a 1938 Cadillac v16
@@What.its.like. Sweet!
WYR 1&2 3rd & 3rd Favorite body style is the convertible
Sweet =)
The almost flat-16-Flat-head is the coolest engine ever. Imagine what it could be supped up to full potential with Audrin OHV and super charger.
I can’t believe they didn’t do anything with that design, they used that design for 3 years only making 508 units before canceling it
@@What.its.like. its a shame imagine if they designed an overhead valve version of it. I guess the only other engine like it is the Ferrari testarossa V12 that is also almost a Flat-12
The Testarossa engine IS a flat (180 degree) engine. When designing a 12 cylinder engine, if you want to achieve even firing you have two choices for bank angles. They are 60 degrees and 180 degrees. For a V-16 the choices are 45 degrees, and 135 (180 minus 45) degrees which will yield 22.5 degrees of crank rotation between each firing event. @@chrisbenson3374
My first pick would be the 39 convertible, as I could drive it as I would a new car, and, it is an owner-driver model. The 31, 38, and 40 are chauffeur-driven models. Even if I could afford a chauffeur, I would still want to do my own driving. I like to drive, especially nice luxurious cars. My second choice would be the 34 convertible sedan. Who doesn't love convertible sedan? The 30 is gorgeous, but with no wind-up windows, not very practical.
My dad grew up during those years and always told me the V16's were not well regarded because they were problematic.
The V12's were a much better engine and why they sold more.
Personally, In the mid '40's he had a '37 Series 60 with a '38 engine. Apparently, Cadillac made some key changes to their engines for 1938, making them much more reliable.
V-16 Caddy was smooth as glass, but V-12 Packard would outpull & outrun it.
3:50 FIVE main bearings for 16 cylinders? Dang, those must have been pretty far apart. There are V-8s with 5 main bearings.
Yeah the 2nd gen had 9
As to question of which earlier or later Cadillac 16 I'd prefer, I'd go with the later series with hydraulic brakes. The early OHV engine had marvelous engineering, but overhead valves were not a necessity for a long-stroke, low RPM, high-torque engine. The later flathead engine would be more reliable, the cylinder breathing adequate considering it was also a low RPM, high-torque engine, moving a heavy luxury automobile.
Sweet =)
My far and away favorite is the ‘39 convertible coop. I would take any of them, though. Please send me any spares you have.😊
Hi Jay!: You know what I'm going to say. . .this is my favorite engine episode so far!! Like a lot of other folks, I had not known about that late 16 until sometime last year. While those CARS are not my favorite Caddy designs I LOVE that engine! Now the earlier sixteen was a really beautiful engine, but it is just not as interesting as that later one! WYR#1 Going to be the 1934! the 1934 LaSalle and Cadillac are really beautiful!! #2 Really doesn't make much difference as they were essentially the same car with only MINOR exterior and interior changes, but if I had a choice it's going to be 1940. Derham made a NICE sport coupe for one of the bigwigs at DuPont chemical, that was Maroon with a tan cloth top VERY similar to the color scheme of Walter Chrysler's Imperial that you featured recently. Probably one of the better body designs for the later V-16's
When I go back maybe I could ask them to start it.. They have a second generation V16 I really want to compare them..
Glad you dig this episode
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Thank you for this wonderfully thorough history of the legendary Cadillac V-16 Engine!! After watching, I immediately sibscribed to your channel!! Seeing how many videos you currently have posted on automobile history, I have a feeling I am going to be spending a lot of time watching to play catch-up!!! It amazes me that you are a millennial and that you have such passion for the history of the automobile. It is proof positive that the old car hobby knows no age boundaries!!
I was born way to late I love per war cars.. huge Packard fan.. they didn’t make a bad looking car from 1934-1942 even the four doors all gorgeous
But as much as I like packard the v16 there wasn’t anything smoother, Gary The curator of the museum said that you could balance a dime on its edge on the distributor that smooth..
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My favorite cadillac v16 is the 1937 Hartmann roadster.
Awesome I will have to check that out. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that car.
The 27 Dobbel would blow this thing into the weeds. Choo choo!
And everything else too!
Would you rather - 1930 Cadillac, and 1939 Cadillac. Both seem more “stately” to my eye. Prince - When Doves Cry. Thanks as always!
Yeah buddy you got it somebody just beat you to it for title
Great job on this. I do think that the cylinder head shown at 2:39 is for a V12 and not a V16. The head shown at 2:39 has 12 valves . . . . . 6 intakes and 6 exhausts . . . . 6 cylinders, 1/2 of the V12. Minor glitch. Keep up the great work!
Belleza de la mecanica
Nice engine v 16.
I'd go for the '34 V16 and the '38 V16. I especially like the '34.
Sweet choices =) I really like the 34 as well
I always liked the '33 Caddy V16. You skipped right over it. Also Prince when Doves Cry.
What a treat
I'm afraid my owen is knackered after the party last night.
Great vid!!
The 1930 Cadillac was one of their last classically styled cars, with aerodynamics creeping in. The 1932's, to me, started that mafioso look, which continued well into the 40's. The 1934 is the coolest of the early aerodynamic Cadillacs. The 1939 is cool because it is a convertible.
I think the 34 is a gorgeous looking car it’s the best of both worlds in my opinion.. The flat head V16 Was almost alien looking it’s crazy they didn’t do anything with that design going forward
Hoovies 49 restomod looks great.
@@What.its.like. I think the whole V16 thing was a testbed for what was to come. It's funny that they started with advanced tech and then returned to conventional tech for the time. Meanwhile, Chevrolet just kept going forward with tech and improving, while staying in it's class.
Perhaps the OHV V16 wasn't strong enough due it's shortage of main bearings and power had to be kept down. Going to the flathead, with more mains, increased power potential. Look, a smaller engine producing as much power as it's predecessor.
Both those engines were held back from their potentials due to the gasoline available back then. Heck, today, you can get 250 reliable h.p. out of a Ford V8.
Dad worked at garage in 1947 approx. he saw a caddy where they swapped in a ford v8.
That’s crazy
Just amazing these beasts only turned out the horsepower they did... sad... 1) The '34! 2) Def the '39 cabrio!
Compression on the 1st generation was only 5:++ to one. No high octane available yet, and low-end torque, more than horsepower, is what they were after. These were huge and heavy cars. Heavy cars demand lots of low-end torque. Notice the 2nd generation, despite being a flathead, had 7:00 to one compression, and developed just as much horsepower and just as much torque as the original, despite being smaller by about 20 cubes, and could power the car from 10 to 60 in only 16 seconds. 0 - 60 would probably be about 13 seconds. Sensational for a car of this era, and faster than most mid 70s - mid 80s cars, despite being heavier than most of them.
The Marmon V16 made 200 horses, but it was almost 500 cubic inches. For some perspective, the Cadillac V8 in 1930 was 353 cubes and made only 95 horsepower, and the Packard straight 8 at 385 cubes made 106 horses in all but the Speedster. That one made 150 horsepower, as it was a performance modified engine.
Can you do a what it’s like for a 72 Gran Torino? I just got my hands on a formal top gts and would love to see that
I’ll look for one =)
Straight 8 are nice.
Hello 👋 good buddy now that is a big motor I have often wondered why in later years Cadillac took the little circles from atop of the emblem Cadillac crest they were seven little circles. Well I just found out you can sing 🎶 too..
I don’t have a radio in my truck so that was like a tie in..
Are used to sing karaoke for fun but it’s been at least 10 years since I did that I would love to go again =) anytime there’s an open mic night though I never get up there who knows maybe one day
@@What.its.like. Just don't go to Open Mike Night at the Autopsy Club...
That compression ratio...i wonder how much power it would make with modern fuel and 8 to 1 compression...
Probably very little more. Keep in mind that this is a very antiquated 1930s design.
@Marc816 I'd be willing to bet with 9 to 1 or so compression, considering it's 7 to 1 I think it said, that it would gain quite a bit of power along with modern fuel, regardless of design its an air pump and more air with more fuel is going to make more power no matter what...I bet the power increase would be enough to worry about throwing a very rare rod through a very rare engine cover hitting a very incompetent Cadillac service technician...I mean highly skilled technician...skilled at adding items to the invoice maybe....I kid...
Ps I don't know his thereabouts but In bergenfield NJ. Garaged At foster village he had a Packard Caribbean cvt 2 32 -to 4 cads one a cvt . A Franklin he was a teacher he rented all the garages there the only cars I saw he showed locally
Interesting =)
A dime can't be balanced on it's edge, a nickel can and was used for these demonstrations
As a bit of useless trivia, George Harrison had a hot rod with a V16 in it. I don’t remember what brand.
Might have been the Marmon - it was lighter, as it was all-aluminum.
@@jamesbosworth4191 it may well have been, but I guess we’ll never know unless the car has been sold from his estate
Awesome trivia =)
I have no clue which one in either case.
Id like a 32 and a 40 v-16 thank you very much
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1930 Cadillac 2 seater cabriolet convertible V16 .
Sweet =)
Prince, When Doves Cry
The 39 v16
1939 Cadillac V-16 convertible for me.
Sweet
1934
1939
Favorite 1937 V16 limo
Sweet choices
Prince when the doves cry
That’s it =)
Wild Bill from vintage car history just beat you for title
Prince When Doves Cry
My favorite would probably be a 31 or 32
Sweet =)
For WYR: 1930 or 1932 Cadillac v16
Awesome choices =)
Had a 66 baby blue caddy eldorado convertible was the ultimate cats meow was an OMG❤ . Guy I knew had a 16 had trouble getting a disr.cap for it 30yrs ago probably was a 32,cad.
I have no idea how hard it would be to get parts for that..
The 34 v16
Did the 431 from 38 come with a super charged?
I don’t think Cadillac used super chargers from this era
The second generation al.ost looks like a boxer engine
Yeah it does
The engine probably weighed over 1000 pounds. More mass = smoother.
forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=164384.0
1938 v 16 Fleetwood limousine
Sweet choices =)
So where are the spark plug wires going off of the distributor on the first engine (the 1933 one)?
It looks like they are they going under the valley cover into the spark plugs which, I think, are facing into the engine under the cover. Am I right on that? (I have a model kit of the car and I am trying to figure this out.)
I believe you’re right I believe that they’re hidden or covered up..
@@What.its.like. Next time you get to look at one of these engines, see if you can trace the wires off the distributor. - If the V-16 is really two straight eights at an angle, I can see the spark plugs being placed so that they faced inward. Both intake and exhaust manifolds are facing outward.
There is an episode on asecond generation version 16 coming tomorrow but that’s a totally different animal, I was just up there they were decorated for Christmas when I go back in January sometime I will definitely look at that for you
@@What.its.like. Sounds good Justin. No rush.
1934 Cadillacs have fragile "biplane" bumpers. That's a '35.
34- 40
Cadillac should have gone back to 16 cylinders years ago and then if anything gone to 12.
I think they were planning on doing that but only built the concept Version
when doves cry/prince
You got it somebody just reaching for title
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not that it is a big deal,but as you said@8:29 first person come with name of the song title and the band correctly in the comment section we have their comment pinned on the top of it
not get the band and then reaching for title!😁
Haha talk text sucks on my old iPhone XR.. I won’t get a new phone until this one stops working completely I had an iPhone 5 before this one lol
Why would Cadillac design an all new V16 during the Depression when not long before, GM threatened to kill them off in addition to LaSalle? Here in town, we went from all GM cars having their own fancy separate dealerships to just two--Chevrolet and everything else. By 1934, Pontiac, Olds, Buick, LaSalle and Cadillac had all been consolidated into one tiny garage on a side street with no showroom space. This continued until 1939 when Oldsmobile and Cadillac moved into a newly rented, shared building.
Totally agree
The second gen is a weird animal but still made the same power which is nuts
1931 v16 Convertible
Sweet choice
1932 and 1938
That's Prince ,,, when doves cry .. why do we scream at each other . This is what it sounds like when doves cry. The beat moves anyone and the vocal is unmatched in today's society. People loved each other back than.
Lol... don't quit your day job !
Haha yeah
Cadillac always good but never real fond of V-16
A couple of glaring errors in your presentation: Firstly, you have several slide of engines which were obviously V-12 mixed in with your V-16 photos. These are easy to catch; just count the valve springs on the shots with the valve covers removed and you'll find them quickly. Secondly, at 5:10, you state "it almost looks like a FLATHEAD V-16". No, it IS a flathead V-16, no 'almost' about it..
Thank you for those corrections before doing this video I never realized how similar the V 12 looks to the V 16
The gangsta cars are the best looking. Maybe custom bodies. The factory product is boring looking.
5.3 to 1 compression? LOL
No high octane fuel.
@@jamesbosworth4191 not true,fords model T was originally built to run strait ethanol,but then they discovered oil LOL
@@andrewsmart2949 Oil was discovered here in North America about 1860. The Tin Lizzie came out in 1908 as a 1909 model, well after the discovery of oil.
@@jamesbosworth4191 being "discovered" and going into production are 2 entriely differnet things,and if you do your research you will find im right about prototype model T running on ethanol cos oil was not a definite at that stage
@@andrewsmart2949 Gasoline was being produced before the turn of the century. The PROTOTYPE of the Model T being jetted to run on ethanol does not mean the PRODUCTION Model T was so set up as standard equipment. Ethanol, (and Methanol as well), require an air-fuel ratio of about 7:00 - 1. Gasoline requires about 14 - 15:00 - 1. An engine set up to run on Ethanol will run slobberingly rich on gas, to the point of flooding and stalling out when warm. I seriously doubt that the production Model T was set up for Ethanol as standard equipment. The operational problems that would have resulted with most city dwellers would have soured them on the car, and we all know that the Tin Lizzie was a raging success. I do know, however, that Henry was looking into the use of alternate fuels, so it was probably a cinch to get larger jets so that it would run well on Ethanol.
Others had tried making a reliable V8 Ford was Not the V8 it was the first mass produced V8 at an affordable price to everyone! The Cadillac V16 was Never intended for max power, they wanted a reliable Long Life SMOOTH engine, with todays fuel price ONLY Arab Oil Sheikhs could afford to run one, modern 2ltr engines make more power smooth good economy BUT they are DULL sleep inducingly BORING man EVs are NOTHING more than a appliance on wheels A to B transport NOTHING MORE than!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try a turbo Saab. It will make a believer out of you. EVs are the fastest and smoothest and quietest.
Any reciprocating engine is a shaker. They use fluid filled dampers to tame them. Reciprocating steam ship engines will shake apart at high speed.
@@rogersmith7396 I do Not give a s💩t about poxy EVs IF i can Avoid it i won,t seen dead in ANY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@rogersmith7396 yes some steam ships suffered vibrations If they were pushed hard, engines vibrate; fact of life! Period!!
Totally agree I have driven Tesla’s they are cool but it’s an appliance anytime you can update and make your car more powerful/better via a software update that’s an appliance.
So cars no have
Power steering
Power brakes
Anti lock brakes
Traction control
Blind spot
Auto pilot
Adaptive cruise control
Among many other things with all that technology
ARE YOU REALLY DRIVING THE CAR
That’s my take on it, I don’t think people really know what a DRIVERS car is.. a drivers car to me is no assistance what so ever. If you want to take it to extreme manual non synchro trans ( honestly I feel nobody has ever driven until they’ve driven like that..) that’s a drivers car so much going on you can’t have a conversation while driving. Just my opinion tho
Reading your slides is one of the most basic presenter mistakes.
I don’t read the sides and sometimes information varies so I’ll say something different than what is on the screen it’s on purpose
I’ll make a video on how I make these videos =)
I'VE GOT A V-64 IN MY CAR!!