Restoring Old 1908 Hopkins & Allen Double barrel shotgun,
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
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Here is first for the channel, a double barrel sxs shotgun. This is an old hammerless shotgun made by Hopkins & Allen back in early 1900 before they went out of business in 1917. This will not be the last double barrel on our channel since I have had one waiting on parts. As always hope you enjoy the video and consider subscribing! Thanks for watching.
Once again, totally amazed at the amount of parts in these guns and how they go together.
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Doom2 in the 90's conditioned me in my youth to always love a double-barrel shotgun.
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man this channel is always my go to for restoration on firearms, yet another great restoration with great info on the firearm.
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You made the right call on no test fire. You still did a fantastic job and it is a beautiful piece of history.
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Sorry I did not test fire it. Just too risky!!
Damascus barrel?
@@armorer94 yes thy made the out of steel Damascus and twist Damascus
Not a problem safety over entertainment 100% I'll see if I can find some 12 Guage brass shells that can be loaded with bird shot just as a display ammo. I have my great grandfather's collection and plenty of stuff from when he was hunting in 1920s
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Beautiful wall hanger when if you don't fix the issues.
Amazing to think, someone somewhere, just happens to have a spare right trigger for a 100+ year old antique Hopkins and Allen shotgun, just laying around! Superb resto as always. Fascinating to see the action of a hammerless gun like this. Cheers.
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Another geat restoration. Thanks for your gunsmith job....❤
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I do with my guitars what you in your expertise do (it's an art to both of us, I believe) and what you do is GREAT! I do enjoy watching you do your magic!
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This restoration video is absolutely fascinating!! Watching the process of bringing the 1908 Hopkins gun back to life is truly impressive. I wish it should have fired it !
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this was simply beautiful
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I haven’t taken apart any old shotguns,but there were a lot more parts that I would have thought.🇺🇸👍🤪
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Yeaay New Vid from the Kinzler Bros?
Welp time to watch it on TV again for better satisfaction.
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Now this is some quality content. Thank you man
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Thank you for another excellent video. I have a particular fondness for old Shotguns. English mainly, but also some of the American guns were fine examples and need to be preserved. The loose Barrels that you refer to, is known as Barrels that are off the face. There is a couple of things that you can do to remedy the problem but if you don't plan to fire the Gun, then there is no point. Superb as always 👍👍
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Hi Brandon , Another piece of firearm history restored with lots of TLC , your ability is exceptional , well done and thanks .
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Não é uma arma , é uma obra de arte, perfeita restauração. Linda arma 👍👍👍
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A great restoration, the turpentine and scotch bright worked very well on the stock, it looks great after the boiled Linseed oil.. On my trapdoors I used size 0 steel wool and turpentine on the black walnut stocks & takes nothing away from integrity and value from the guns.
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Double barrel shotguns look deceivingly simple but there is a lot of engineering packed into a small volume. Appreciate the narration. If you ever happen across a Ruger Number One you'll find the same thing. Great resto, enjoyed it much. Thanks guys!
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Just checking back in. Been working on a savage model 59a. Had a seized safety screw. Ended up using an extractor. Ordered a replacement.
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I'd probably not fire it either, even with low power shells. The damascus plus the age of the firearm, probably making the solder silver solder, might have reacted with the hot blue bath and weakened the joint. Absolutely stunning job for a wall hanger, that is sure to be the center of quite a few cookout convos! Ah the stories it could tell. Great Job!! 👍👍
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Tragic that the lock up is sloppy, maybe caused by someone firing it with modern high pressure shells. Still, it looks like you improved the value 10x with excellent resto of a premium gun.
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I believe this is what they call a 'greener' type lockup design. Not used much today except by CZ.
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The magic eraser is a new approach. I've had the best results using mineral spirits with a super fine wad of steel wool. It works wonders. Great video, thanks!
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Beautiful restoration and a very wise decision not to fire it under any circumstance...your knowledge coupled with a mature understanding of the metal, the age, and the issues is commendable.
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Excellent result! Nice addition to the collection 🙋👍👏
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Just introduced to the channel. Now I gotta go and watch all the stuff you have already done.
It’s amazing to me that most people consider an old shotgun as junk. They are so well made. I have a few, my favorite being an old coach gun. It just makes me smile.
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Outstanding work. These videos are great. Your skills exceptional.
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What a classic beauty! Nice work as usual. I always wanted to get into gunsmithing. I was into mechanical engineering and auto mechanics but the first time I tried to take my old Beretta 92 F completely apart, a couple parts and springs went flying across the room and took me days to find. Of course one was under the refrigerator somehow, and by the time I found every part, I’d forgotten how exactly they went. But I eventually got everything back together and no “extra parts”. That whole experience stressed me out enough that I stuck with the simpler stuff like replacing triggers and a few springs.
What you do takes lots of patience and skill. Especially because what you’re working with is so small and valuable. Sometimes irreplaceable. I’ll leave you to that kind of frustration and stress and I’ll just watch in amazement.
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I love when the kinzler bros upload. It’s always on a Saturday or Sunday. They must really get me. Weekend vids are awesome. Great work guys. Lovely wall hanger.
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Outstanding job gentlemen!!
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انا اكيد انه بعد هذا الترميم أصبح افضل من كل الاسلحه الجديده وكان عندي مثله لياج لا يضاهيه سلاح
Small tip maybe, coming from someone who hates pins, roll pins, shafts etc., after years of frustration I’ve found that putting a different pin in the opposite side of where you are inserting your pin helps keep things lined up, you can also use one a bit smaller and wiggle it to create some leverage. Nice work!
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Beautiful shotgun. Great find at the auction. I've missed ya'll. Hope you're both doing awesome. Love ya'll
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Suggestion for cleaning old wood: use a weak Simple Green solution, with nothing more abrasive than a Scotch Brite pad. Once, dry. When dry, apply several coats of boiled linseed oil.
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Sigues siendo el mejor!!!! fuerte abrazo desde Argentina
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THANK YOU FOR: No Big Hair Heavy Metal Rock intro screeching into our ears. No wild light shows with multiplex, 3D images. No 5+ minute introduction touting one's knowledge on the topic. No interspersed pauses lauding this and that. Just great photography, figure-it-out by watching with the occasional script for clarification...and occasional humor!!
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That was a lot of work. I have never seen a shotgun with so many difficult parts. As always, you did a fantastic job of restoring this antique shotgun, even if it will be just a wall hanger. Great video as usual.
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Bonjour , excellente restauration , dommage que vous ne puissiez l ' utiliser pour le tir , car très très bon fusil , 20/20 pour la restauration et merci pour le partage , cordialement Dan 🙏👍🇨🇵
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Aw, it's unfortunate you couldn't fire it!
It's crazy how some of these older non-repeating firearms are even more complex than modern semi-auto ones.
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I have thee exact same model its a lower serial number my barrel cocking button was damaged. Im surprised your butt stock cover was not signed on the back. Mine had the builders name which was pretty cool. As my Barrels were also Damascus I user reproduction ammo and it was a blast to shoot. update wow yeah my lockup was still nice and tight and I did hone my barrels. I used rts ammo.
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First time here. Subscribed
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Wow voice reveal!?!? 😁😁
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Nice to see somebody using actual gun screwdrivers.
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Gotta love those corrosive primers. Rare to see one that early without pitted barrels.
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What I meant. Primers pit the inside of the barrels. The first non-corrosive primers were developed in the 1940s. Anything built earlier will probably have a pitted bore unless it was meticulously maintained. Which this one obviously wasn't. Love the fact that you are restoring this beautiful piece, and I admire the fact that you are doing this to a beautiful piece.
Masterful and educational and calming at the same time.
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Yes you dont dare fire one with Damascus barrels and one over 100 yrs old. I restore a 12 gauge moore and company double fine twist from London made in 1860 also with Damascuss barrels . I restored it but I dont have a death wish to fire it. Thanks for the video you always do an exceptional job.
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It came out beautifully it's a shame she can't be fired this was a very enjoyable video thank you for sharing it with us six stars my friends
Thanks Joseph, ya I really wanted to but, it was to dangerous. Thanks for watching buddy
Excellent job.
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All my life I've used British (English & Scottish) side by sides of this era so it was fascinating to see an American side by side. Amazed to see coil springs and a stock bolt! Quite advanced for the time and unheard of here, except now on over/unders of course. Pity a new hinge pin was not fitted to bring the barrels back on face as I'm sure the damascus barrels, even pitted, would be OK. In my youth my first gun was a damascus barrel 20 bore hammer by William Evans (London) with a couple of pits so deep that the holes were brazed up. Did me no harm and killed lots of game! Great video!
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Very nice shoot gun. Very smart not to test fire.
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Damascus barrels? Good wall hanger
It's just the type of metal. Absolutely
Just get the right shells or use black powder
You definitely can shoot them, with 2&1/2 inch black powder loads
To cool ...
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Awesome job...👍👍👍😁😁😁
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Turned Out Beautiful, even if it's a wall hanger.
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Absolutely smart not fireing this!
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Topnotch as always!!!!!! /Lars
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Awesome! A REAAL restoration!
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looks nice next time try turpentine with linseed oil 60 oil 40 percent turp soaks in better dries faster
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Man that was a beauty when you were done with it. Can understand what a pain it was to restore. An agree. It shouldn't be fired. But would look real good over a mantle on a fireplace, beautiful wall hanger. My hats off to you for doing the job on it tho. Thx for the vid
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Nice work - as always!
Lovely example of a hand finished piece.
You're right, best not fire a S/G that's 'off the face' though.
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Absolutely fantastic, I’m always amazed, thanks so much, beautiful
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Other than maybe using of a little walnut stain on the wood, another fantastic job! Well done!
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Awesome honest job guys. Always look forward to your videos.
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That turned out super nice!
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It was common practice, when this SxS was manufactured, for all the parts serial numbers to match. There was a good amount of hand fitting of parts, even on some of the lower grade guns. Something looks out of wack with the spacing on the front trigger. I’m guessing it’s from a different grade H&A. The barrels would definitely need set back on the face if you were going to shoot it again. Don’t shy away from Damascus barrels on a quality vintage gun. Twist barrels are what you need to be leery of. Nice job making this old workhorse purty again.
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Too bad it couldn't test fire! Great job as always though. I suggest you experiment with only blueing the internal parts inaccessible for cleaning/oiling, and keeping the external parts in original condition. This gun would've been a good example to do that with. I enjoy your videos and am subscribing now!
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@@TheKinzlerBros Why don't you try heat blueing meaning heating the metal up and then quenching in oil? What is the reason for not using that method?
it is still in really great shape for the age.
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@TheKinzlerBros your welcome I'm always surprised how the older guns are better made then today's.
Excellent job! One more geat restoration.
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Always look forward to your vids.👍🏻
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If it is loos or the " bite" is worne down. That is the reason your shotgun is " off face" there are a lot of ways to fix it by putting in shimstock ore welding up the bite eara and filing it down
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@@TheKinzlerBros no warrior. I love to see old pieces of fine craftsmanship being restord
Nice find dude!
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Totally enjoyed!👍💯
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I’m happy to finally see A video from you guys!
I actually checked about three days ago if you had released A video. I’d say good choice on firing it.
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Smart not to fire that considering the lock-up being loose like that. You can find 12-gauge brass shells and load them to spec, but I wouldn't do it with those problems in the lock-up. Great video. God Bless.
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Excellent
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Nice job
Thanks!
Great job, looks amazing
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Beautiful result! Honest question for you. Sanding in between linseed oil coats with printer paper? Why printer paper?
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Neat piece of history
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That will be a gold star wall hanger
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Love your work and all the steps it really takes to bring one back. I found and refurbished an old Colt 1903/1908. Like most of yours it was completely rusted together, no idea how many hours of work but it’s back and shoots well, one of my most prized possessions. Wish I could show you the before and after pictures, but no way to upload them that I know of. Keep up the great work!
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Como sempre, mais um vídeo de excelente trabalho de restauração! Esplêndido resultado! ☺️👍🏻⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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Omg, he grew an extra hand! Those chemicals gotta be toxic!!
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If you decide to use it, get a chamber casting done and carefully measure it. There have been several different lengths of 12 gauge over its history, and it may be chambered for something shorter than a now-standard 2 3/4" shell. Needless to say, a too long shell is a huge problem. The shell should be completely ooened and againat the chamber walls well before the forcing cone of the bore.
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Again verry nice and amazing video i like to watch you more and more restor gun and im waiting the newest with all my wishes
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@@TheKinzlerBros you are welcome broo . Really you make great things i like your video and they make me happy
Great job as always!!! You guys have a very informative and entertaining channel. I hope that CZcams doesn't screw it up for you the way they have for so many others. Keep up the great work!!!
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Здравствуйте . Всё грамотно и правильно сделано , но делать щелочное оксидирование стволов нельзя . Щёлочь разъедает припой , на котором сделана пайка стволов , это критическая ошибка . С уважением .
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Very dirty gun. I will continue tomorrow to see the whole clip carefullyLove you man and Gun
I have many, you can see
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Interesting. Some danish oil would be good for the stock. You could have also done a boiled conservation of the components and saved yrself the trouble of sand blasting and bluing. Either way. Interesting and beautiful firearm. Im working on a similar one right now. The hammers and springs are a real chore.
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@@TheKinzlerBros I always enjoy yr videos. Thanks for all of them 🙏🙏🙏
ah coffee and cake time.
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Very nice work. Wondering where you fine parts for 100 + firearms, allso where did you receive your gunsmithing education?
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How and where do you find all these firearms needing major love? Iv been looking for a project and I can't find anything in the condition your projects start off as.
Online auctions, estate sales, friends, customers, subscribers, gun shows ect.
Muito bom trabalho, mas porqe não tiro o jogo??
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Magic Sponge🎉
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Too bad about the test firing. But well, thanks for the restoration vid!
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I'm gonna be really embarrassed if I get this right, but are you editing with Shotcut?
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I’ve seen loose lock up tightened by aluminum tape added to knuckle.(you tube) if it’s 12 ga then mini shells have less kick .. I’ve carefully removed smokeless and added black powder instead, also lessened shot weight.. probably Midway USA with David Potterfield is where I saw breech tighten
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You got extremely luck hot dipping those barrels. I recommend you never do that again. Those barrels are held together by solder which can melt in the bluing bath and destroy the firearm. Double barrel shotgun barrels must always be rust blued.
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Imagine trying to flex on someone who does this full time….
I was hoping you would show how you got the cocking mechanism back together I have one I've been restoring and will probably be putting it back together in the spring & as you said it's going to be DIFFICULT
It was too difficult with 4 hands in the way to film it, sorry! Good luck, thanks for watching!
I think you should do a poll on the narration, I personally don’t really like it.
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А разве нельзя убрать люфт между блоком стволов и колодкой?
Maybe if you machined a new cocking hook, thanks for watching!