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"What did Jebailey do to piss off the Kansas City Chiefs" Killed me LMAO
"Have every player check the Bluetooth device list"
I recall this regional event I attended that had setups for recording VODs.
All you had to do was press a button at the start / end of the set to make a recording.
A bracket runner told me I was the only person in the venue who could read since I was the only person he witnessed recording matches.
Point is, there are a LOT of basic instructions that goes over people's heads.
This applies to all aspects of life, people generally don't read and miss basic instructions. See this shit all the time at work where I'm around "professionals"
What sort of hardware was involved in that setup?
@@h2_ I have NO idea.
As a TO, I feel like it should be our job for big matches :/ for ones on a big stage we really should have someone help reset between games
That KC rant at the end was cathartic
we are in the majin obama unhinged arc, where he is just saying whats on his mind and not "softening the blow".
Stopped caring lol
Please never start caring again, this is the obama we need :)
What I really appreciate about you not caring is that you do still try to present reasonable viewpoints before telling them that they're the reason their dad left
@@doogiesUluru is a life changing experience
I've been waiting years for these chains to break
USB-C cables are pretty sturdy, never had a problem with them, mini-USB was total crab though
Agreed. I can't tell you how many times I've had to get new PS4 controllers after the micro USB charging port got jacked up. Waay too flimsy
"You probably dont know skd" hurt
I know him from Panda videos, I didn't know he was good at games
Did not expect Obama to hit us with the Dante's Inferno reference lmao. Great insights as usual, I can also attest from running tournaments in other hobbies that getting competitors and staff to follow instructions can be like herding cats, so keeping things simple goes a long way
I helped to TO Smash Ultimate tourneys a few years ago and the amount of times I had to scream for people to disconnect their pro controllers drove me insane
"Ga-gawking as much as possible...."
I choked on my food when I heard that as I was not expecting to hear something that wild today lmao. Guess I'm doing my part gawking already XD
An idea that could help some PS5 pad players:
DualSense Edge comes with a 9ft cable and a locking mechanism to keep it from getting yanked out of the port. I love that little feature on mine.
absolutely spittin at the end, the response from all these KC weirdos was obnoxious, and like, real esports got some extra weird fanboyism that I don't think the FGC wants to deal with
but yeah, when it comes to the connection issue, I think 100% they gotta start turning bluetooth off, I've heard some non-pad controllers actually use the bluetooth even when they are plugged in (which I'm not sure how true that is and for what controllers specifically) but for those controllers, we'd have to find a way to regulate that so it wouldn't cause any issues for a whole event, which, obviously is easier said than done
but yeah, at the end of the day, making sure controllers are off before the set happens (at least until rules change) is on the players, so that happening is sadly JDCR's fault, even if I do feel really bad for him, would like to maybe see a feature in FGs at some point where you can do replay takeover but for both sides, and then have a countdown, cause at least then there would be a way to more fairly reset back to where the game paused
KC fans are terrible everywhere. they have a bad reputation in every esport they participate in, especially league of legends.
No joke today. i was playing central fiction with my new haute 42 on ps4. i didn't know about the 8 minute time out, and it disconnected at the game winning combo, and my scream was on the level of that one spider man meme
cop an adapter to prevent the timeout big dawg
the rant at the end was purifying
Similar to how fighting games now have the long hold to pause option, an option to lock out home buttons while mid match might help.
I doubt the console manufactures would allow game developers to do that.
learn to wrap your cables. if you wrap your cables properly they will last a lot longer, i see so many players scrunch up their wire and smash it in their bag or case, and wonder why they break. i've worked in studios and as a stagehand. learn the over under cable wrap
Fax
As a french guy who knew about karmine corp and their reputation before they even got invested into the FGC (KC is a League org originally, and its pronounced "corp" as in "corporation"), I wouldn't have expected to hear about them from you yet. About the bluetooth issue I recently experienced it at a local but didn't think it affected bigger events. When it happened we just shrugged it off but it didn't cross my mind how it would be with higher stakes. Thanks for the video, made me think (a bit) :)
Also a bit of perspective about where kayane's take might come from. Personnally, I knew her from a gaming focused TV channel where she pretty much talked about esports in general, sometimes outside of the FGC. Not defending the way she put her take out there but knowing the fact that she worked in professional broadcasting and followed esports since way back (more than 10 years ago on TV), I can understand where she comes from.
The fact that this could all be avoided if Sony just implemented a Tournament mode. Sony, please just do this, this is literally the design implementation:
1. Make a tournament mode. A literal checkbox
2. In this mode, when players disconnect their controller, remove that controller from the bluetooth list
3. As a failsafe and if someone forgets to disconnect, make it so only the last two controllers that were connected can use the playstation home button. To avoid accidental clicks, make holding it necessary for a valid input. You can even make the controller amount a setting so this works for 3+ player tournaments.
These are fricking Tournaments. Many people devote their lives to tournaments that happen a few times a year. Just the thought mid-set that your run can be obstructed by someone forgetting to clear the bluetooth list is really bad. You don't want any stressful distractions in a tournament.
Implementing this could take like a week, maybe some days if your code structure is good. TOs would probably do this for free since it would save time in the barely long run. S.m.h. vigirously
Step 3 seems like it might fail if one or more players aren't using a bluetooth controller in a match following a match where one or more players *did*.
This leaves at least 1 space open for a previously used controller to still be connected to the console.
If someone uses that controller at a different setup, they'll be holding it, therefore making their push of the Home button a valid input.
I forget, how much money is Sony making off these tournaments? Enough to pay people to figure out this very niche issue that only affects fighting games? Think it through....
@OberynTheRedViper
I mean if they're invested in them enough to run and promote these events, like they do on the home screen of BOTH their major systems, then maybe it'd be smart to pay some engineers to implement UI and IO functions to make these events smoother
There are many reasons why I've boycotted Sony products since the 80s. Them buying EVO was purely for money, not quality, as history beyond what's in this video shows them being the inferior option yet still the industry standard for fighting games.
I hope Sony reads this, bro.
Wired input only mode on PS5 fucks with things like brooks adapters, so it's a no go for tournaments. Sony needs to implement a mode specific for competitive play considering they own EVO now.
Furthermore, I was also surprised an FGC vet like Kayane tweeted that. Nobody is entitled for their matches to be streamed, especially with huge player turnout at these events. That's the beauty of FGC events, everyone is on equal footing. If you wanna be on stream, make top 8. Simple as that.
OH wow I didnt know this about wired only (I dont really use my ps5 that much)....thats lame af D:
Why don't they just make it mandatory to DC the controller from the PS5 after every match, doesn't take long and it solves the problem.
KC is Karmin Corp, a esport team created by one of the biggest streamer in France, Originally a LoL team. They fill up entire concert venue in France. And they have a huge fanbase of ultras. It looks like a football match in an esport arena which is kinda insane. Most of them have no idea about FGC
Streamer created and a LoL team... Say no fucking more brother...
8:55 - "Who's gonna pay for that?" Speak those facts brother.
That's the question that I ask people all of the time when they try to suggest some bs about events. They just think that organizers have a weath a money to just dispose like that. Not to mention that we have to pay for venue, security, insurance, production. You know it all already but many folks still don't get it lol.
I fuck with you Obama, your content been extra amazing lately. Loving your POV, super funny while being informative. I didnt even know the issues were that deep.
The Momochi vs Gamerbee disconnect was so brutal. Such a great set going, and then bam, stick malfunctioned. Same shit happened to Sooa at SNK World Finals. And she plays with a left-handed mixbox, so they just couldn't hand her a new stick they had on hand.
“ is that enough mansplaining?” Deeeeestroyed me lololol
That is the face of "FUCK"😂😂😂
One of the reasons I play with a wired pad. It's easier for me and easier for you.
cause when you suggested that option for the wireless and blue tooth pad I was definitely like I don't want to do that and I know I'm gonna forget in the future.
Same reason I made that same switch
It's actually wild to me a majority of pad FGC players still haven't made that switch
💯
I can't believe wireless was allowed to slide into the dms at all.
I feel like this all comes down to fgc still being grassroots at its core, but a ton of people expecting esports production. and even then, the amount of technical issues at riot/blizzard sponsored events is still dizzying. there’s a lot of expectation for the scene to grow and ball out but we don’t really have the means to do so money-wise (except maybe evo/cb but I’m not aware of the financials and never will). food for thought when project l starts coming around. good video
I remember staying up mad late watching tournaments on the east coast, either intl or west coast, ages ago, before twitch and such. And I remember all the times when such and such god player got eliminated in a huge upset off-stream. People were tight in chat then, too, but it's completely unavoidable.
Anyway, as a player, especially in competition at a high level, if you don't want to lose because of dumb, preventable shit, then you need to be on point. That means bringing your own controller, cables, converters, whatever, making sure they're reliable, and having backups in case of failure. That also means every time you sit down to run a tournament set, you take the time to disable bluetooth or whatever you gotta do. Like, does this type of thing happen to Tokido, too? Or is he trying that much harder than everyone else to prevent easily preventable shit?
being mostly a rocket league player and just a casual (few thousand hours) fighting game player on the side it's so funny seeing you guys finally have to deal with KC fans, their teams have been really dominant in rl so imagine this level backlash but x10 bc they feel 3x as entitled bc their team was consistently among the best in the world, we all hate them, we all do
Oh man, hearing the phone ringing in the background is triggering my neurotic dumb ass so bad
I have binaural audio on in my headphones and thought I was legitimately going insane watching this until seeing this comment
Went in expecting "oh man it's the AK/JDCR shit", came out with so much more!
Simplest solution is to disable bluetooth and the avoid the situation. Not good for the players, but they'll live. But a better solution is to for there to be an in game option to auto delete profiles after a match.
Saints flag in the back, WHO DAT
Razer went through the ringer after the momochi vs gamerbee set
At Combo Breaker this year (2024). SamSho top 8. guy lost because of a controller disconnect due to a wiring issue (stick). Disconnect happened TWICE. It was rough.
I was just saying the other day about how us pad players that came into competitive games, you'd get dunked on if you got caught with a PS/XBox pad and not an arcade stick(because updates were mostly on cabinet I think and it wasn't "arcade perfect").
Fast forward to today, learning stick is the equivalent to learning cursive writing. Didn't really amount to anything, just funny to know.
"If you guys know who SKD is, you probably don't."
lol...
Simplest answer going forward is to disable bluetooth entirely and only play wired.
yep. i just hate how people keep arguing about wireless. its never going to be as good. by design your always going to get drops/interference.
@@thejunkmanlives That part doesn't even matter. If it was purely worse to play on then whatever, that's your choice, it's the fact that bluetooth controllers can basically ruin a tournament match like that is the only reason we should need to disable it going forward.
@@AirLancer no, in a competitive setting it does matter. you never want people using things like input delay to question the outcome of a match.
@@thejunkmanlives PS5 and PS4 have more input latency on wired controllers than bluetooth.
@@mechadeka then something is wrong with those machines. radio waves are never going to beat a direct connection. and thats under ideal circumstances. now add all the other channels/signals flying through the air. not to mention that all of them are require to accept interference by law(emergency vehicles, planes, etc will over power your signal).
While i felt Kayane's tweet really lacked awareness, i think it's an example of a big issue that esports teams will continue to have with the FGC if they only see value in their players getting stream time. It just isn't practical for open bracket. I have a feeling that what she/teams want can only be achieved with adding more invitationals like Red Bull Kumite or Gamers8. Definitely not to replace open bracket, but just supplement it. I personally dont care as a casual tourney competitor as long as open bracket always exists. EVO could go back to vegas ballrooms and i'd still have fun.
Well said.
reminiscent of LTG toward the end there... basically the french are like a SUMMER ANT
Savage words of wisdom 👌
8:45 -> I don't have a PS5 so I'm not exactly sure how it works, but... wouldn't a controller with a macro solve this? Match finishes, the judge comes over, asks for the score, connects their "special controller", hits a button, the macro does the required inputs to delete the profiles and there you have it, quick and easy clearing of the bluetooth list, no having to pay someone else to only do that. There's an initial cost for getting a controller with macro support for every judge, but after that initial cost it "pays for itself" and there's no more bluetooth issues ruining the experience for the players and spectators
Never would have happened with a saturn pad
2.4 GHz provides you with a range of polling rates that can reach up to 1000 Hz / 1 ms. This will provide you with gaming-grade performance with no latency using a wireless dongle that connects to your device.
Bluetooth has a default polling rate of 125 Hz / 8ms and does not require a dongle on any Bluetooth 5.0 compatible devices.
Definitely still better to use wired.
I don’t have anything meaningful to add but I am commenting to help drive the algorithm. Nice video
The whole issue of stream time is so dumb. Yeah you want your boys to be on stage and on stream, so do the dozen other orgs that are there. That's an argument I'd expect to see out of the random people on Twitter who had never seen a fighting game in their lives before that day, not Kayane.
If people spend the $10 on an Anker cable it'll last em 2-3+ years easy even if you travel often
Thanks, Anker marketing associate!
It's heartbreaking when it happens so close to the games end
Obama, I feel like as a community pillar and a person with a big microphone, you really have to understand the gravity of the situation when you call people brainless ignorant hive-mind NPCs. Which is why I'm so glad that you're saying it, because seriously, what the hell is wrong with "people". Tell 'em.
Had me in the first half ngl
When we're about to get League fans into FGs we also get EU hooligans out here lmao! I didn't expect a pincer attack
Damn Majin Obama, just told me to Hell. Feels bad.
As a pad player. I always use a wired connection and make sure i disconnect my controller from the console I was using.
Obama SPITTING 🔥
its kinda ridiculous that consoles dont have tournament mode
Got “down-the-road diploma” ‘Bama fan vibes from those KC goons in Jebailey’s mentions
Also that Kayane tweet is incredibly bizarre knowing she’s a tourney vet and TO, she would know you can’t stream every high-level set, the logistics don’t make sense. I can only imagine she was just frustrated.
Digital Hooligans? We legit now! Lmao
0:37 tbr, they were so far away from each other a quick resume doesn't seem to effect the outcome at all
Players could still disconnect the cord during a match or it has a shortage in it and ruins the match lol. So there's still issues if the switch to wired
As a french who is into fighting game (since before this week), I'm hugely disapointed by the KC fanboys (and Kayanne too) like I understand the disapointement, but you have to use at least one neuron one second to reflect on the situation, it's not that hard I promise.
Then you will understand that shit like that happen and that the tournement organizers OBVIOUSLY didn't want it to happen like this.
bro i remember watching that sf4 moment live that was insane,
The editing on this vid is insane
Totally agree 👍
Bring a nylon braided cable or two. Yeah it's a bit more but security and peace of mind is worth it.
"Perfection."
Appreciate the hate ❤
Can't stand people getting involved in a scene just to complain and stir up trouble. Plus you know they're all gonna disappear after the Saudi Arabia event funding runs dry.
Keep the content coming Obama! 🔥🔥
Damn…folks getting banished to hell on this one…😰….😂🤣
Just ran a SF6 tournament with some buddies and yea, disabling bluetooth was the move. So many pad players and there was literally no issues.
These people that dint give a fuck about the culture coming in will always make me feel uneasy. It's like going into someone elses house and shitting on the floor. Like bro, you aint even wanna know where the bathroom is???
One thing is for sure, I was wondering how many people complaining like the KC rants shown have been to tournaments. People saying stuff like AK should've forfeited the set, JDCR should leave the tournament, it was a conspiracy, bro what the heck lmao
I'd have brought my own generator for a shot at $60 mil let alone a wire for my pad
The issue with KC is that they are filled with toxic kids coming from the League of Legends community, they know nothing about Tekken or Fighting games in general, your analogy with soccer was on point, being a degenerate extreme over the top "fan" is all they know, they are already known for such toxic reactions on both League of Legends and Valorant already... As a french person I hate this type of peiple acting like this towards the players or the organizers it's extremely disappointing, I was so happy to learn that JDCR would rep a french team but look where we're at now..
SMH the French community 😮💨
Some of my pool PS5 setups at evo jp this year were laggy too, why can't they just get an ok PC for the main stage so they eliminate any issues.
How many times will this happen for organizers to learn. (I understand it's probably not that simple or people would be doing it, but I also can't think of any major problems with a single PC setup.)
Well Sony owning evo might be one. Also PC tends to have issues too as some tours shown.
I've heard u got sick, wish u a speedy recovery Obama atpQuan!
Everyone stop being triggered by Twitter. It's not a real place.
No one is triggered by twitter in this instance. Something happened at an event man
@@doogiestu claques du boule
Every time someone uses the word triggered, I just know they're hurting
Tell em Obama
based obama
Something about having hundreds/thousands of people in a venue that just makes everyone stupider, hopefully Sony ads a "disconnect all" button at some point
Good shit, as a casual wifi pad player I will gladly take my seat in hell and invite anyone who wants to vibe (even the frenchies)
And yeah, I feel like with how EVO is intertwined with Sony I think some logistics section should try and see which solution is best - and spearhead it to the rest of the tournament scene.
If it's software-related Sony has the possibility to change stuff, if it's best to be TO work they need to streamline it and try to reduce the work they need to do, or maybe a mixed option like a tournament mode where certain settings are adjusted and then it makes easier for TOs to work their job.
Mad Dog sponsorship??? I KNOW the Philippines top 8s got hella active back then!
Never stop Obama.
As a Kansas City native I can only apologize 😂
TELL EM
Maybe switching up the console during top 4 or Grand finals. Maybe this will cause less sabotage or accidents
What’s with the random guy t posing in the upper right corner at 5:09?
Being (with) wireless gamer is suffering
I like to use a wired controller because it gives me the illusion I am now immune to console crashes.
wireless will never be on par with wired because of the nature of the technology(radiowaves). hiccups/dropped frames arent a problem 99% of the time because you wont notice. but fighting games are in that 1%. wired should have always been the standard. i really dont understand why this is even a question.
not kayane trying to capitalize on this unfortunate moment for clout, what a wack timeline
I feel sympathy for JDCR but not for French people. It’s a tough one.
declaring war on france
Gotta love some Johnny-come-latelys getting all heated for some shit they know nothing about.
the "disadvantages" pc's present considering this kind of issues on consoles, are not worse. The only reason people using consoles over pc for events, specially big ones are just regarding sponsorships with sony or the game publishers.
we live in a day and age than fgs can run smoothly on pcs not that much expensive or big that a ps5, but there's always gonna be some "reason" why there shouldnt be the norm by now
some games run bad because japanese ppl can't develop for pc
Play wired and clear the previous connected controllers
IMO in a tournament like this...turning off BT and making people plug should have been obvious. Stick/leverless people pay more for controllers (usually) and pay to maintain equipment....I think if you wanna take a game seriously- spending a couple extra $$ to have a couple fresh cables for tournaments is way better than potentially losing a tournament for a DC. my mind also went back to momo/gamerbee -such a goddamned sad way for that to have ended...
PS: Pad players belong in the 9th circle of Hell, and they should be required to plug their controllers right into Satan's bellybutton
Thia happened to me
She cooked with that though the amount of amazing games that don't get streamed is atrocious. At the very least they should be running recorded games on break that weren't aired live on stream but instead we get small talk and Chipotle ads lmao it's kinda sad.
I do t really think this is a problem the players or TxO's will ever reach a compromise on that will ever make everyone happy, but fuck em. Make everyone learn stick or leverless
But Majin I'm a wired pad player plz don't throw me in hell 😭
Man the pad players weren’t sending death threats 💀 why are they also lumped in with the Kansas City fans ☹️
My personal theory: someone who had played earlier decided to get cheeky and pressed the home button on purpose.