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Psychologist Kevin Dutton presents the classic psychological test known as "the trolley problem" with a variation. Take the test and measure you response on the psychopathic spectrum.
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KEVIN DUTTON:
Dr. Kevin Dutton is the author of The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success. Dutton is a research psychologist at the Calleva Research Centre for Evolution and Human Science, Magdalen College, University of Oxford.
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TRANSCRIPT:
We all know about the psychopath’s enhanced killer instinct, their finely tuned vulnerability antennae. But it may surprise you to know that there are some situations in which psychopaths are actually more adept at saving lives than they are at taking them.So let me give you an example of what I mean by that, okay? Imagine you’ve got a train and it’s hurtling down a track. In its path, five people are trapped on the line and cannot escape.
Fortunately, you can flick a switch, which diverts the train down a fork in that track, away from those five people, but at a price. There is another person trapped down that fork and the train will kill them instead. Question: Should you flick the switch?
Now, most people have little trouble deciding what to do under those circumstances; though, the thought of flicking the switch isn’t exactly a nice one, the utilitarian choice as it were, killing just
the one person instead of the five represents the least worst option, okay. But now let me give you a variation. You’ve got a train speeding out of control down a track and it’s gonna plow into five people on the line. But this time you are standing behind a very large stranger on a footbridge above that track. The only way to save the people is to heave the stranger over. He will fall to a
certain death, but his considerable bulk will block the train, saving five lives. Question. Should you flick the switch?
Now we’ve got what we might call a real dilemma on our hands, okay. While the score in lives is precisely the same as in the first scenario, five to one, one’s choice of action appears far
trickier. Now why should that be? Well, the reason it turns out, all boils down to temperature, okay?
Case one represents what we might call an impersonal dilemma. It involved those areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex, the posterior parietal cortex, in particular, the anterior para
singular cortex, the temporal pole and the superior temporal sulcus - bit of neuroanatomy for you there - primarily responsible for what we call cold empathy, for reasoning and rational thought. Case two, on the other hand, represents what we might call a personal dilemma. It involves the emotion center of the brain known as the amygdala, the circuitry of hot empathy. What we might call the feeling of feeling what another person is feeling. Now, psychopaths, just like most normal members of the population, have no trouble at all with case one. They flick the switch and the train diverts accordingly. Killing just the one person instead of the five. But, this is where the plot thickens. Quite unlike normal members of the population, psychopaths also experience little difficulty with case two.
Psychopaths, without a moment’s hesitation are perfectly willing to chuck the fat guy over the rails, if that’s what the doctor orders. Now moreover, this difference in behavior has a distinct neural signature. The pattern of brain activation in both normal people and psychopaths is identical on the presentation of the impersonal moral dilemma, but radically different when things start to get a bit more personal. Imagine that I were to hook you up to a brain scanner, a functional magnetic resonance imaging machine, and were to present you with those two dilemmas, okay. What would I observe as you went about trying to solve them? Well, at the precise moment that the nature of the dilemma switches from impersonal to personal, I would see the emotion center of your brain, your amygdala and related brain circuits, the medial orbital frontal cortex for example, light up like a pinball machine. I would witness the moment in other words when emotion puts it money in the slot. But in psychopaths, I would see precisely nothing. And the passage from impersonal to personal would slip by unnoticed.Because that emotion neighborhood of their brains, that emotional zip code has a neural curfew. And that’s why they’re perfectly happy to chuck that fat guy over the side without even batting an eye.
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This guy is smart
What if someone where to answer the first question as killing the 5 and saving the one with the logic that there's too many people living on earth?
@@lizhaycook8219 😆good 1
@@kpen451 it's a fr question though. Society views sociopaths and psychopaths as these monstrous human beings...I don't, I see logical untainted humans with a super power.that super power is the ability to not feel emotions. Their decisions are entirely based off logic and practicality...where as the rest of society bases decisions off of the way we FEEL about something. So say I 'wanted' to destroy the 5, leave the one. But because I'm "afraid" of being 'shamed' or shunned for doing something that society has concreted in our minds as a "morally right or wrong" decision, I make the choice that is pleasing to society... ultimately succumbing to others desires and trashing who I am because my morals, perspectives, and logic aren't what society wants or can handle....
Btw who also was even ever put in charge of deciding what morals are? What right and wrong is? And which one as a collective we should step in line and march to?
Nobody can BE themselves EVER, without judgments being cast, without knowing or seeing or listening to the WHOLE story with minds OPEN...
I would not flick the switch. It’s not my place to decide who lives or dies. Obviously I would do all I could to stop the train. But the score in lives is not my decision. I know this dilemma thought experiment, in many versions; including the one where you can take 5 different organs from one patient, leaving them dead, but saving five other patients. Without that patient’s consent, that’s obviously murder. I only know one person who was new to this thought experiment, faced with that first dilemma of the train tracks, but who quickly answered, “No, I would not flip the switch.” I’m delighted to say that was my youngest daughter, who’s interest in philosophy reassures me that she’ll make a great physicist. She’s studying for her doctorate in physics. As Josh says, “This guy is smart.” These videos are awesome. ✌️
''Recommended for you'' - Thanks Google.
#darude
#sandstorm
haha
+hampus nilson im diagnosed as a Psychopath, but i dont believe i am one can someone please give me a reason why this is, like i have everything that is diagnosed for a psychopath and only care about my self... any comments about this is good thanks
Bye Guys and narcissistic
If he's fat enough to stop the train I doubt that I could push him
Usopp>Kaido
Skeletor>He-man
10/10 joke my friend
well done, sir/maam. well done
Yonko1986 Kaido XD
If he's big enough to stop a train, then I'm not strong enough to push him onto the tracks.
I thought this same thing
@@amberenergyhealertarot6617 "great minds...." as they say
And this,why not ask this bulky stranger to help those 5 people? If theoretically he can stop the train with his physique,then he's capable of helping them.
@@nadiahapsari3359 yeah. Great point. That would probably be the best way to fix the situation
But if he is that big we can use him to stop the train , can't we?
the feeling of feeling what someone else is feeling
my brain cells died
was that too hard for you
I feel ya
They know the feelings, they just don’t feel them.
LOVE VIOLENT PSYCHOPATHS.
did you have any to begin with ?
Why do psychologists alway look like the biggest psychopaths themselves?
Eazy J I've met three psychologists that I can recall, and all were cold people with very little apparent empathy, who seemed to view their patients as merely objects - specimens to be studied, and not as full human beings. All three psychologists (two of whom were women, who supposedly have more empathy than men) must have been on the psychopathic spectrum.
Because they study feelings
They are just as screwed up as we are. For some it's a life purpose to go through the fire and learn how to help people in similar situations and for others it's a way to feel powerful by fucking with the person seeking help. It's no coincidence the word psycho is in psychologist and the word therapist can be broken down to 2 words, the rapist. Weird... I know but I guess it explains why I have never trusted them.
I think that in order to understand someone is to be them, but it's just a thought tho
BadgerBotherer1 Was it when they were doing their job? Because oftentimes psychologic treatment requires the psyhologist to show no emotion.
Would a reasonable person *really* believe that tossing a very large stranger onto the tracks would be able to stop a train?
+skudzer1985
A reasonable person would not ask unrelated quesitons and would just take the damn test.
walrus funkerton
Well, no one cares what you think. And since you disagree on something as obvious as that (they're supposed to test your neural reactions, not acquire from you wether stopping the train with a person is possible(hint hint: it's not)). So, it is basically what you feel when you're faced with a choice of tossing someone on the tracks or doing nothing at all.
I have every reason to believe that is indeed YOU who is a dummy, because I have to be the captain obvious. And only stupid people fail to see the obvious.
If the guy is fat enough to stop the train, then why not stop the train yourself?
A reasonable person would understand that the fat stranger is facing the exact same dilemma. And he's fat, so it's much easier for him to push you onto the tracks than for you to push him. *And* he might be a psychopath, so he would do so immediately, while you were still contemplating.
In short: a reasonable person would run the hell away.
With the added benefit that the fat stranger can now figure out all for himself if he wants to sacrifice his life to save five others.
If you pushed him, that'd make you a hero and a murderer. If he pushes you, that makes him a hero and a murderer. But if he jumps, that makes him a hero and no murderer.
So really, where's the dilemma if it's such an obvious win-win to just *RUN AWAY* before the fat stranger can. And he's fat, so you *will* run away before he can.
It's just a thought experiment.
I would not intervene at all. It's unfortunate, yes, but I will not take part in it.
i was gonna say
Same, I wouldn't care about those 5 people and at the same time I'll avoid the stress of colluting with the fat one
I am of the same mindset. By flicking the switch, I become a murderer regardless of the outcome.
@Crom Only if that 1 person was myself. I am a firm believer in an afterlife.
Thanks Tulsi
Why should I flip the switch? What's in it for me? Do I get some kind of reward, like money?
Exactly.
Sure u think it wouldn’t give u as much guilt. But u would have killed someone either way. If you just divert your mind from the situation your in. It’s like your not even there.
You need help
Melanie Larkins why
EG Loveall because you do not value human life, flipping the switch would be hard and potentially very emotionally scaring but if you think not flipping the switch would bring you less guilt then you’re wrong, you had the opportunity and you let those people die. And if it truly would wound you less then... you need help
Ethan Shaw your right. I guess I would just try to ignore the guilt but it would of probably haunt me till I died. I would do anything to forget it.
my reaction to those questions in my head: "i dont want to go to prison, i dont want to be in trouble, i rather do nothing and walk away slowly"
Spot on. Let life take its curse.
I basically wrote the same.
I wouldn't push the fat guy because of self preservation if you push the fat guy you will be charged with murder. If you let the train hit the 5 people it's a accident because you didn't place the people on the track.
That's why you are prey. Well, generally all people with no balls.
Exactly look out for yourself first
I'm not a psychopath. I'm a high functioning sociopath.
locutus94 I do not understand the difference between the two, but I would watch all 6 of them die.
Arklight I was referencing a television show.
locutus94 Ah I see.
locutus94 What's his name again? Whippersnatch Cabbagepatch?
TheBloodOfGoodman Cucumberbatch
This is Charlie Sheen's best character.
I thought this was Gary Oldman
This is if Charlie Sheen got the part of Dwight from The Office.
LOVE VIOLENT PSYCHOPATHS.
The instant you said “chuck the fat guy over the bridge” you gained a subscriber. I needed that 😆
LOVE VIOLENT PSYCHOPATHS.
You Tube posted this video on my page saying, “Recommended for you.”
+1p6t1gms same
:'D same.
+1p6t1gms i looked it up...
+1p6t1gms well youtube is a specialist at recommend thing THAT'S GOOD FOR U lol
+1p6t1gms I laughed so fucking hard at this comment...
If I could sling a dude heavy enough to stop a train over a railing, I'm not a psychopath. I'm a super hero at that point.
lol yeah, he'd have to be heavier than a semi truck, because trains can rip through those like nothin'.
Kirby Everyman 😂😂😂
Just imagine him rolled up like a burrito and flipping a switch rolling him onto the tracks.
I guess you missed the point of the video
if you save everyone you're a superhero
I’m at the opposite end of the continuum from a psychopath. Life can be overwhelming for me; at times, barely livable. I have almost unrelenting anxiety and depression.
But between my current state and psychopathy, I’d choose my current state. It’s because I get to feel love. Psychopaths may not feel emotional pain, but they don’t feel love either.
Not that they mind. If I was a psychopath, I’d probably feel the same way I do now, but in reverse.
Oh you're so pathetically self righteous. Psychopaths are a matter of degrees. You're one, too. I can tell. You don't think your clingy, needy sloth (depression) that preys upon the indulgence of others isn't a form of psychopathy? Albeit a dishonest one. Spiritual vampirism mislabeled as "love"?
That is a great explanation. I have had to deal with at least one psyopath in my life. He had no empathy at all. His boldness and desire to hurt people's feelings and positions eventually led to hos downfall.
Sounds more like a sociopath; the boldness being more along the lines or erratic behavior and the 'desire to hurt people' being of easily anger-induced traits. Psychopath would usually put more care/plan into every action to avoid such downfall; as their end goal in every way is self pleasure & success
0:51 should you flick the switch?
*Me : An intellectual*
"flick the switch but once the front wheels of the wagon are on the other track flick it again, MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING"
You're a dumbass.
@@adamkeylon2194 you just killed me with laughter
@@panferfox9898 lmao like wtf is wrong with people man? I am seriously contiplating going off grid and living in the woods eating twigs and berries and helpless animals while whipping my ass with bark. Would almost rather forfeit all the benefits of civilization, to get away from all the morons haha.
@@adamkeylon2194 I like your ability to just kind of throw stuff down and leave it. That's what made me laugh when I saw what you wrote.
@@panferfox9898 "Throw stuff down and leave it". -Panfer Fox for POTUS 2020
the real question is, if he is large enough to stop a train how could you lift him off the bridge
you just need to push him, imagine him sitting on the ledge and dingeling his short fat legs with the text "push me to save the five people below" written on his back. with a timer on 30 seconds and you can start hear in the railtracks that the train is rolling closer by every second. You stare down at the 5 strangers, you read the text again, now then - what would you do ?
that is the reason why i work out bro
+Kim Strandberg Pushing a fat guy isn't that easy
God I can barely pick up my 19 pound dog for more than a minute let alone push a 400+ pound person off a bridge.
+I Like Your preFace. give me a fulcrum and a lever and I can lift any man
O damn. That’s why the teacher was totally focusing on me. He asked the exact same questions. It took me literally 1s to answer them all while my classmates were discussing each question for 10min. I got so annoyed by that, that I kept telling them, that is not hard to decide. From the logical perspective u saved lifes. Guess, I had no inner conflicts.
I‘m not manipulating people or I‘m just not aware of.
gonna help ya, this quizz is bullshit
The real question is : you can either save 4 60 years old people, or save 2 20 years old people.
Now, if you have to think about it, it means you have to think about what would these people might say.
Thus, you no psychopath.
Ofc saving one = saving one, even more when the previous "dilemna" is mathematically the same.
you kill one person you don't know and save five, vs you kill one person you don't know versus five
both cases, if you have common sense, you do the math choices
If there is other criterias involved "family member, friends, ect" then it becomes something else
again, seems like something that is only visible in difference on the brain scans, 99% of 80% of the world will save the 5 people, the 20% others are woke, morons, or both
@@hugom6441 I think im avarage and i would do nothing as it doesnt involve me. Why should i flip the switch. I dont see the reasoning. Ur saying that mathematically u are saving more lives but if u think more about it u would notice that it isn't that simple. U could be killing one average person who could be considered innocent to save a murderer or rapist or what not.
@@Ibrahim-ld9vz It is being rational. You wanna decide on quality of people. But if information about quality isn't available, I think one should go for quantity. Because I think if you have a chance to save lives, you should use that chance. Being indifferent to that is very cowardly/evil...
I was the only person in my class who when asked about their answer to the trolley problem, answered with, “I would let the train kill 5 people because my action would likely be seen by law enforcement as causing death, and I don’t want to go to prison.”
Yes, I have been diagnosed with sociopathic tendancies and NPD.
Are you fine now ?
Gay
@@dolphins_and_manatees5960 fax
@@Ghadi___99 Improved in my level of empathy yea
@@Robisquick glad to hear that ,take care
No, I'm a high functioning sociopath. With your number.
haha. So when did you become Sherlock
Nerf CCC Gaming 27 years ago.
a sociopath would enjoy the 5 getting hit in both cases
Says every edgy teenager ever
+johnny llooddte no, a sociopath wouldn't give a fuck who got hit so they wouldn't do anything in either case unless they got something out of it.
no one on earth weighs enough to stop a train... a train has A LOT of momentum...
dancahill101 hahaha, the whole video requires a leap of imagination. If he is fat enough to stop a train how is it that I am able to push him over a railing? I weigh like 9 stone man! lol
Kasey Escape i know xD he must way like 89 tons then if i could throw that well... im better then superman
dancahill101 thanks for clearing that up.
Yes actually. it depends on what kind of train though. I lived on the Big Island of Hawaii. There was a train on a cattle ranch that got stuck because it ran over a 250 pound calf. It was an old steam train and was moving very slowly when it hit the calf.
Superman could...
Surely a real psychopath would do nothing and watch all the people die for his entertainment
Quite possibly.Everything a psychopath does good or bad,is purely instrumental to their own aims.
No they’d want the recognition
Wouldn’t a psychopath want to kill someone? Like actually take part in killing the fat stranger?
@@mollyswain478
It depends.
Think of Psychopaths as just like anyone else, but with a few very important exceptions, they only care about themselves (sometimes there are very rare exceptions for immediate family or close friends, but they are very rare and usually not that deep), they lack a conscience or remorse, and they have no moral limitations.
That's it. They still have emotions (although almost completely centered around themselves). They can still feel fear (although reduced reaction to fear is common among Psychopaths).
So a psychopath will do basically whatever they want as long as they can get away with it and sometimes even if they can't get away with it. Not all psychopaths are murders and many of them are not even violent. However, they are not violent because they get no pleasure out of violence and/or because violence is counter-productive to get what they want.
To think like a Psychopath, just imagine if you only cared about yourself and you focused all your efforts into getting what you want regardless of the consequences to others. You might like power or money or sex or romance (purely to have someone pay attention to you, not any real type of bonding) or play mind games with other people or enjoy the suffering of others.
well if they die, it's not my problem
Seems Jethro Tull was right
“Don’t want to be a fat man”
Do not use this video to self diagnose!
LOL!
deathshot638 I've done literally hundreds of these and they all say I'm a psychopath. Hmmm...
hot cheetos The tests are made by youtubers to make you feel edgy and a psychopath so 12 hit like as they are happy they now have a new edgy label to put down on their CV, along with professional fidget spinner and mine craft connoisseur
deathshot638 good advise
Haha a short hypothetical question in a 5 minute youtube video is all you need to diagnose anything. Some doctors even exclusively use videos like this for all of their diagnoses! Honestly though the majority of people who would try to diagnose themselves as psychopaths probably aren't psychopaths. One of the big things separating personality disorders from other mental disorders is that people with personality disorders generally don't actually think their symptoms are a negative thing. I'm sure many psychopaths out there don't even realize that they're psychopaths because their symptoms aren't very obvious and don't have a noticeable effect on their life. I think most psychopaths who do actually try to self diagnose probably stumbled onto something that makes them think they might be one and go on to take tests and do research so they can recognize when they're doing something that most people would consider cold and try to avoid being labeled as a psychopath by their peers. Unfortunately most people do occasionally show some level of reduced empathy in certain situations which leads them to poorly self diagnose themselves without realizing the depth of the disorder and just how many boxes have to be ticked for someone to really be considered a psychopath.
I remember the answer from school . The first train would arrive in Boston at exactly 4 O'clock.
haha
Dave xDDDDD
No! The fat guy would slow the train down by at least 30 minutes!
They forgot the part where the train driver committed suicide 5 Days Later lol.
What
If you still monitor this, sir, I ask: what would your thoughts be if a person aware of the circumstances simply did nothing to interfere in these situations?
"Chuck that fat guy over the side."
Me: going to stay away from train track bridges.
I'm not a psychopath, I'm a sociopath. = )
Case 1: I don't give a shit about if 5 people dies or 1 person dies. Neither are important to me.
Case 2: Again, don't give a shit if one or 5 dies. But I know for certain that people will look at me as a murderer if I pushed the guy over though.
What do you think is the difference between psychopath and sociopath?
One of them likes to derp it to the face, while the other likes to derp it from afar.
Richard Alexander Psychopaths's way of thinking is somewhat justified (like in this video, where their personal and impersonal responses are the same). They will justify their actions by truly believing it to be right. A sociopath just don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves. A sociopath probably would feel no remorse over something that was wrong in other's eyes, whereas psychopaths would simply justify it in their erratic little mind.
DocsDota
I think your descriptions are correct, but I don't believe they distinguish a psychopath from a sociopath. Neither does Wikipedia, which states that the terms are used interchangeably, though sociopath is preferred, to avoid confusing psychopath with psychosis. The term, "psychopath" emphasizes the condition arising in the mind, whereas the term "sociopath" emphasizes the social aspects, but both are considered the same disorder.
So, what should be society's response to someone who is prone to justifying his own behavior, regardless of how unacceptable it might be? I ask, because senior executives are twice as likely to be psychopaths as compared to the general public.
Richard Alexander Society can only respond in what they believe is right and wrong, and that is the legal system. There are thousands of actions done each day that is considered immoral to some, okay to others. The key thing here is to not take matters into your own hands or chaos and conflicts arises. At the end of the day, just think about what is most important to you.
If psychopaths lack empathy , why would they bother saving anyone in the first place ?
Pierse Moran exactly thank you
for the thrill of killing the fat guy, or for the praise and rewards from the survivors
Mainly because "psychopathy" is misunderstood and isn't necessarily the stalker killing the camp kids like Friday the 13th, or someone that just wants to watch the world burn. Yes, lacking empathy is a discerning characteristic, but it usually much more subtle than what most people think(which is usually along the lines of the the previously mentioned horror movie). Given a situation such as in the video, most people that are somewhere along the lines of psychopathy can and will easily make the logical choice and not even think twice about it, but they're also not looking to kill more people for a 'thrill', because part of that 'thrill' has roots in empathy that they lack.
He would get a bigger thrill from watching the 5 people get killed.
because he's more rational than emotional. he wouldn't hesitate flicking the switch and being responsible for the death of the fat guy. it does not mean necessarily he's sadistic (that he'd want people dead). he simply lacks empathy for the fat guy
There's a difference between saying what the best answer is and the capacity to follow through even if you're physically able.
I said out loud when he said the 2nd scenario, "it's the same question. Push the guy over" then he proceeded to explain how that is the psychopath answer....
Psychopathy is generally undesirable. In this hypothetical scenario, the psychopath would, all in all, have made the right decision. However, a psychopath is much more likely to do harm to society in cumulative measure due to his lack of empathy as he is a psychopath all day, every day. Also, a real psychopath may not be inclined to pull a lever or push anyone at all, as he is inherently self-serving and unconcerned with the welfare of others.
True. Unless the psychopath will somehow to disturbed or inconvenienced by the passing on a person in any of those 3 groups. For instance, if one of his parents are in one of those groups and that parents pays his bills or something like that.
+Kara Lindstrom Actually Psychopaths make excellent surgeons. Being divorced from emotional restraint. Allows them to make hard decisions faster and without restraint. All they need is a clear direction of the desired result from the patient or proxy.
exactly, he wouldn't care in this situation
@Kara : yes exactly !! i need my parents to help me financially
Miss Construde
lol good plot Miss Construde ^^
personally, i probably wouldn't care, or maybe i would push the fat guy, hard to tell from here
I'd flick the switch back n forth. :3
Omfg you just made my day 😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂 LMFAOOO!
+Mack Vongsa then you would kill everyone
+Wataaa! No, the train would fare on the rail that the switch is switched to at the moment. But it could also cause the train to de-rail, killing you and everyone else on the train.
Wellstar that's why I said - kill everyone
flicking the switch and killing the guy on the safe track is murder, not doing anything is an accident.
By getting involved it makes you a murderer rather than a bystander. It comes down to whether you can live with yourself easier having not intervened at all 🤔
Agreed 👍
For me it's not about that but rather who are we to make this choice? We will never have to make any choice remotely like this because every aspect is nonsensical. They could have created a realistic scenario.
I actually say do nothing with the fat dude. Because I don't want to be charged with murder.
A prefectly rational answer (depending on the laws of the country that you reside in), but an answer that if actually so, shows that you care more about how you feel and the fact that you might go to prison than you care about helping 5 other people to not die (at the expense of one).
Personally I can understand your reasoning (I mean, who'd want serious charges against them, and it is a difficult situation in any case, no?), but that to me it is rather obvious what the ethical and "right" choice would be, and I wonder (just out of interest, without any attempt at chastsizing you or anything) if you have actually thought this through, and if you are sure you could stick by your choice if this situation where to happen for real?
I think of it in terms of "who's left" after the ordeal and which set of people would be more socially acceptable. The ideal scenario would be the fat guy "accidentally" *cough*ttotally pushed*cough* falls and stops the train, and nobody dies on the rails. He'd die, but his family would be all "but he died for a good cause" or something. If I let anyone on the rails die, their families would blame it on me but an "accident" is less dramatic and less likely to be investigated.
A huge difference between the 2 scenarios which he didn’t mention, or at least didn’t fully articulate, was that in the second scenario you’re putting someone who is outside of the situation into the situation. The fat guy was just an observer, then because of your actions he becomes part of the death calculations. In the first one all the people are in the situation to start with. I think this difference is probably as important as the difference between being personal / impersonal.
He slipped.
Taken someone’s life without their permission is very wrong that’s what I would in that position
So what do you call a person that will just walk away from the situation and continue enjoying his day like nothing happened?
Idk he's fine
Human. We honestly do that more times than most of us care to admit.
To be honest I don't think I'd be arsed to do anything about it.
A killer, sadist, idk? Psychopaths dont have some serial killer blood in them, thats just how media presents them
but you're in the driver of the train , you can't just walk away.
If you're worried or nervous about being a psychopath then you're not a psychopath
I believe myself to be boarderline psychopathic. I have my doubts, becuz I have the ability to somewhat empathize and care about ppl close to me.
On watching the video, I employed the same rational thought as the first scenario. I didn't feel myself hesitating or engage emotionally about the decision, however, if it were someone I care about, I'd definitely have second thoughts.
Then your not a psychopath a psychopath literally has no empathy like 0 they can’t even empathize to people who are close to them everyone a npc like a game and u don’t really matter cause they are the main character
Don't mind me I'm just here looking for edgelords.
fuck you
Ooh found one!
AAproductions and fuck you too!
AAproductions deez nutz
Shadow Realm Priest Oh shit two in one amirite.
but in all honesty I don't have anything against anyone in fuckin with you.
Plot Twist: The fat guy stops the train with his bare hands.
Thanks to you throwing him over.
Yeah this can happen in Marvel's movies. Fatguy suddenly turns into hulk and try to stop the train with his all power and somehow when the train is 2inch away from the people, it stops. Yo hulk is the hero.
Bruce Wayne Loved this, haha 😄
boring, ....nobody dies.
Then he turns to your ass for throwing him in front of a train.
😂💕
I would consider all the people bound on the track as equals. Through some set of decisions they all ended up on the track so the first choice is easy. The second choice is asking me to pull a separate person into the scenario. His choices didn’t lead to him being on the track and only my choice will lead to him getting there
He looks a like a good blend of Dwight and creed lmao
lol
I remember doing this test in school while learning about psychology. It was the "loved one vs a train car full of strangers" one though. And I remember the way our teacher did it, was keeping it anonymous. So that way only we saw the results that correlated to us, and she felt she could get a more honest answer. She actually coupled it with a lesson on social behaviors and how we will say one thing, and almost convince ourselves of one thing, while truly feeling another. She had noticed in past years, that when it was anonymous, far more people killed the strangers and saved the loved ones. Whilst far more people saved the strangers and killed the loved one when it was public knowledge. I really liked how she ended up using one lesson to teach an entirely other one.
Full stop, I’m saving the loved one over any number of strangers. To do otherwise, would be sort of like sacrificing a precious heirloom in return for a mystery box that’s probably, most likely, full of junk anyway.
@@WizardClipAudio The bonus being the loved one you saved now has to carry the burden of taking their lives, not you!
Then again, you could have brought the loved one back, if you were a REAL wizard!
@@kenmiller2541 My username is a reference to a legend about a poltergeist, and has nothing to do with ‘wizards’, whatsoever, anyway. 😂 💀
The main difference between a loved one and lots of strangers is that you will keep seeing talking and spending time with the loved one while strangers are strangers you may have done a better choice if you save the strangers but you won't (probably) do anything with them and you have killed a loved one which scars you longer than strangers
That question is also from a movie 😂😂 I forgot the movie but it’s about
Psychology and the teacher put the students in different post-apocalyptic scenarios where the students have been giving an economic role for survival
If I push the fat guy I've legally committed murder, that might have something to do with why I don't want to push him, because I don't want to go to jail. Does psychopaths not mind going to jail? Also, how do I know pushing the fat guy would slow down the train so that it wouldn't kill the others? It seems impossible to arrive at such a conclusion with 100% certainty in the heat of the moment. I am not the master of practical physics and cannot possibly know if sacrificing the fat guy will save the others.
There's also the problem of justice, the people who are on the track have obviously been behaving recklessly, otherwise they would not be on the track in the first place, while the fat guy has done nothing to deserve being pushed to his death. So they "deserve" it more than he does. There's a lot more going on here than Mr Dutton lets on.
*****
No you are not. Those are two completely different scenarios to the law.
***** regardless you will still be killing an innocent so both ways are incorrect...would you want someone to sacrifice you for five other people? Of course not...let it be the Queen or even the prime minister...you wouldn't dare...that's how much we value our lives... also if we wanted to be the 'hero' or savoir...why not sacrifice yourself or just seek help....things like that distinguishes between a emotionless human and a 'normal' human...one who knows justice and has sympathy...so no human being has the power to decide some ones fate...that is immoral. Imagine if that was you
P.S- I know this is scenarios...this is to the slow minds out there :)...so you won't be in a state of confusion...generous lass, aren't I?
how does the fat guy stop the train? he eats it!
I agree 100%
Justice? How do you know the reason those people are on the track? What if they've been tied up? What if they were engineers working? What if someone was trying to commit suicide and others jumped on the track to save the deranged person?
How are the two versions of the trolley problem ANY different?
It's the same result in both.
I would always let the individual live. In all cases I assume the group on the track is there because they aren't individuals and are just followers. Seriously, how the hell could five people get themselves in such a bad situation?
damn, im in that part of youtube where every single video in the recommendations looks super interesting, and i have to open another window so i can keep track.
And it always happens late late at night. Middle of the day bored scrolling through trash videos but if it’s 11pm that’s when the good videos start to hit. 😂
Pushing someone in front of a train is life in prison for murder, not worth it.
This is exactly what I was thinking lol
ur an idiot it saves 5 more lives
it wasn't even a hard decision
Even if you save all the world's lifes. It still a crime punished by life sentence in prison. I think we call that MORALITY and ETHICS
TheMagrhino you're an idiot it doesn't matter how "many" people you kill you intentionally diverted the train onto the one person to save 5 lives and thus that is called murder. If you just allow the train hurtle down the tracks onto the people who were dumb enough to be standing in the way in the first place.
And as for the fat person dilemma I wouldn't want guts spraying into my face
you are too emotional involve in the situation, you must just calculate the number saved vs the number loss
What's sick is that people think it's any different. That taking a life is less of a decision or less awful cuz ur just flicking a switch. People should be equally distraught (or not) over both scenarios. At least the psychopath is treating them equally.
I actually wanted to ask who the 6 total people on the tracks were and who do I like better
I wouldn't push him, but only because I wouldn't want to (potentially) go to prison for it.
You are selfish.
Ryan Clark Which is a good thing.
there will be no witnesses, what are cops doing randomly at the bridge? they aren't. and the 5 people aren't going to see they are tied down, and the fat guy is going to die.
CodeDarkBlue Your comment suggests that you are on Level 1.1 of Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development, which would be typical for young children.
Pikaman finger prints and people you don't know were there
pushing a fat guy to save more lives ? why? that's murder.
those people shouldnt't be on the tracks and should assume their consequences.
I am not doing anything and let the thing happening.
What if they were trapped on it like those old school villains did. Tie them up on a train track.
Pussy
+Silver Spoon Well then in that situation you should take no action. But in this situation it's people who aren't bad.
I haven't pushed people before
Well, to be honest, i would really push the fat dude (based upon that all 6 people involved are random people i've never met). It's plain simple thinking if you consider it worse just because you are the one initiating the action, doing nothing can be just as harmfull to others and you, if not more.
The first thought in my mind would be to push the man, but, I realized, “Wait, why would I do that? Even though it saves 5 lives, which is more than one, I’m not sure if I really want to push him off…” It started to stump me, since I
don’t want to hurt the man… nor the five people either.
If I was to be in that in that situation, I would simply mind own business and do nothing at all.
But you have to remember that in the first scenario , switching the lever will make you kill someone , but if you just left the train to kill the five persons then you've killed no one
But you could have save them by just moving a lever. You deliberatly decided to not give a fuzz about the dead of 5 people. And not because you wanted to save the other 1, but just because you didn't care.
Maybe that's the half-way between normal and psycopath.
Kinda true, yourelike involved bc you have the power there.
@@jdperdomo "save them" yeah sure and then the police arrive and you get charged with murder.
@@stanleystove You are selfish and lack empathy. When you do something true, you don't care about if the world is against you. In this case, if you saved lives, at least tried to do something good with your power, you don't care about illogical outside world (here being police who lacks logic and unable to judge a situation) because you know you didn't betray yourself/your morals. Idk how real laws would work (maybe I would still be charged even after analysis), but again I wouldn't care. Important thing for me is altering the course of action for good instead of being a careless evil with rotten morals!
@@jdperdomoThe assumption that saving five by killing one is questionable. It rests on a further assumption that the value of one life can be calculated. These moral experiments are not meant to derive truths about morality but to find out how people might react or how moral thinking might function. Ultimately they fail to answer the proposed test because people probably would act differently in real situations and other motivating factors would influence decisions the biggest flaw of the experiment is that it starts out with the assumption that it is better to save five than one. Once that expectation seizes the mind it will direct decisions. My personal guess would that normal people would by so emotional that the experimental thinking pattern would not emerge. They wont even think about killing the guy. Moral decisions are based on emotions and the idea of pitting one live against five is a formulation calling a logical function in the brain your brain will allow logical thinking because you understand it is a theoretical scenario. That is why you get people flipping switches. Also- the brainscans do not prove a thing because any of a number of alternative explanations for the data can be offered.
1st Question: Flip the switch, obviously. Although, if you have enough time, move the other person with the group after doing so.
2nd Question: No.
harambe. jpg why not in question two? isn't it exactly the same?
Not for me, but need to answer, so, sorry, and thank you.
No it's not the same.
Because in question 1, all the 6 persons are in a real danger of death - so it's a lesser evil solution. Ugly, because they are the 6 innocent, but a lesser evil solution.
In question 2, there are 5 persons in danger - the ones on the track, and 1 person not in danger - the fat guy.
If you choose to kill the fat guy to save the 5 people, then you are not making an utilitarian choice (its not a lesser evil situation, where you are a bystander with a tough choice to make, caused by someone else), you are actively participating in the death of an innocent - you are choosing to kill an innocent that was not in danger in the first place.
If you believe its the same, then you lack the sense of empathy, and all the persons involved are not "someone" to you, but "something" - you are making an arithmetic choice, not an emotional one.
Psychopaths lack emotions.
If you don't get this, then you should seek help.
Really.
Excellent video.
If you have the controls of the switch right next to you, why not test out the switch first, see how quick the track switches, and then try derailing the train by flicking the switch right before the train reaches the switch point? Therefore, the train derails as the track is moving, causing it to go forwards and topple over instead of hitting the group of people or the other person.
To me there is no difference between 1 and 2
Except you might be convicted for murder in the second one.
Or manslaughter in the first.
Lunjoc There's still always a risk if you push someone off a bridge and into a train
Both actions will kill people with our effort.. I would choose not to do anything
realy wow.
i could never kill the guy in nr.2
i would try to trow a shoe or somthing at the train, but i would not be able to kill him, but in the first one i would change the track
You know, when he gave the second dilemma, I was thinking along the lines of "Will my physical strength be enough to heave the person onto the train tracks?"or "Will the person fight back?". I think I may be a psychopath.
"Sad story today...seven people died on the railroad tracks this afternoon."
"One was pushed over a cliff to his death, landing by the tracks, five people were ran over by the train, and the seventh was mysteriously suffocated while tied to a fork in the track."
Did I pass.
No you didn't just pass you're the topper get your prize soon 👍
I failed at being one. But, I have 2 grown sons. That qualify above others.
It's sad to realize this. But can't change it.
Physics student's take on the issue:
If the fat guy is able to instantly stop the train, then the train and everyone inside it experience 200+ g's of acceleration, which would probably kill them instantly. I would rather not kill all passengers on board.
If the fat guy is fat enough to stop the train, I probably can't throw him over the bridge. In any case, fat man lives.
I think you forget that humans are extremely squishy, and would stop the train over a period of time as the initial weight and then the destruction of the body would get into the wheels. Also you can't assume the train is going super fast.
Never trust a man with a complicated hairstyle like this. The trendy eye ware makes me even more skeptical
Ha, ha. Oh, there's some empirical study behind this knowledge! :)
What if I want to watch the five people suffer and then study how the one person would react because of curiosity? It’s not breaking the law choosing not to make a decision, I could simply say I was at a state of shock and couldn’t make a decision.
I thought about the first scenario and came to the conclusion after a moment's hesitation that I wouldn't flick the switch, because I don't want to be responsible for killing the other person.
What should I be considered as then , neither a psychopath nor a normal ?
Well with this logic you are indirectly responsible for the death of the 5 people, you could have saved them but you didn't
Either way you're killing someone. Flip a switch or push someone, to me neither choice is really impersonal. So I'd just let the train kill the five people, I didn't put them on the tracks so it's not my concern and i cant be blamed of be held responsible for anything.
samw
yup exactly my thought, i wouldn't do anything in those situations
You would do nothing and let five people die without feeling guilt or any kind of responsibility? In this case scenario doing nothing = killing five people, even though nobody is going to directly blame you for "doing nothing".
Like he said before, you are not the one who put 5 five people on the rail so you can't feel guilty for letting them die, if you decide to pull the switch you will be the one who killed that 1 guy
don't spoil the video... would u pls...
Yes, video on the internet, please tell me my psychiatric health.
I don’t mind being a psychopath for a few moments to safe 5 . We are all crazy anyway if we don’t.
Push him after the train kills the 5. The you get 6 victims :D
Loser
I know this might sound harsh, but being psychopath myself, it depends on your profile, if you're a cop, or an soldier, or paramedic, this gonna be your problem....
But as normal civilian, i'll let people that has this capacity to securing people to take his job, yeah, probably i'll be numb.....
Or perhaps if i engage....
I took the most secure and efficient way to help people, probably im gonna self sacrificing myself, instead of let people die....
Yes, i love challenge honestly, INTJ, I'll stand right on the front if the situations really calling.....
I just spent the entirety of this video screaming at my grandmother's ashes. Did I pass?
gotta admit that would be kind of funny to see a fat person stop a train
your a pyschopath
i know right
It would probably be interesting in any case....probably until gore happens and/or empathy kicks in anyway.
DoglinsShadow umm that wouldn't be funny at all
Awsome4649 *you're
The first one was actually kinda hard for me for some reason bc I thought it might be me on the other track but the second I was like “chuck him”
I could not do either scenario - I would struggle...would tell someone else to make the decision...just couldn't sacrifice anyone.
Am i the only one who let the five die in both
JWeavile no. Why would you let them die? If you answer that it wouldn't benefit you in some way.. True psycho.
Burt Gummer, i just feel like id have more guilt if i flicked the switch to impact someone’s death than if i just let those people die because i can justify the decision in my head.
JWeavile feeling guilt. Is that something that you feel often? Especially from things that have nothing to do with you ?
I personally feel guilt over just about everything and anything.
Burt Gummer it’s not that I wouldn’t feel guilt, its that id feel more of i flicked the switch to kill a guy than to do nothing and five guys die. Naturally id have guilt because I would have stood by while five guys die, but i feel like it would be less guilt than flicking the switch.
Burt Gummer i chose not to do anything at all. it's not a condition that i caused, and at the cost of another's life, i would just let it take its original course
i mean what kind of question is this? you have no right to decide which one gets to live. though i see and understand the appeal of having such control over lives, in that scenario you dont have any right to decide which one gets to live and which one gets to die.
Plot twist
The fat guy eats the train
Oh
Just like the gigantic worm from spomebob
pig god
Vincente Rey Alaskan bull worm
Plot twist you are the fat guy
So a question I pose to you. If you know that your a psychopath can you control your psychological tendencies? Or can you trick yourself into believing your not a psychopath by ignoring those tendencies and acting like everyone else. If you know you have immoral and emotionally null tendencies and can control them or if you can fake your emotions so well that you can make yourself believe that you have emotions are you still psychopathic? Or are you lying about being psychopathic?
"Multi track Drifting"
I immediately thought of throwing the guy off the bridge, and when he said that psychopaths have no trouble deciding to throw him off, I got freaked out, lol
I thought of that too, but then realized that there was no way I could throw the dude off and decided not to. Then again I also decided to kill the five people because it's no fun to die alone and somebody's gonna die anyway
My first answer to the 2nd question was: I'll throw myself over, it will save 6 people.
you are a very good human than
If you consider that as an option, then pushing the fat person would also save 6 people: the five people in the train, plus yourself.
it would save 5 people the stranger was never in danger.
Sounds like you need to lose weight.
That wasn't an option in the question; the reason the other person can stop the train is because they are very large, The question assume you wouldn't have the size to stop the train and therefore you throwing yourself in front of the train isn't even worth mentioning. When i first heard this situation a few years ago in an online lecture, my first question was "can i ask the other person to do it themselves so they have a choice in the matter?". I think that is the more appropriate response given the terms of the dilemma they laid out.
What are you if you didn’t flick the switch or push the guy?
Question 3; same as the second question in the video, except the man is not as large, and you know that you can stop the train if you jump off with him.
Would you jump to your death with another person to save 5 lives?
how is pushing one fat person onto the track gonna save those 5 people? i doubt its gonna slow the train down enough
its just an example
Sexytime I could alter the example to not violate the laws of physics, and it would illustrate the same point. I.e. a person has a knife, and has to dig into someone's stomach to get the key to a lock-box surrounding the lever that switches the train track. In that scenario, a psychopath would be more likely to get the job done.
It's not a "bad example" just because the physics are off... That's silly. No one cares if the physics are off, it has literally *nothing* to do with the point. You're supposed to analyze the principle behind the example, not a completely irrelevant problem in the example.
Sexytime I don't think you quite get the notion of hypothetical. There was a ted talk about this once. People from the 1700 century not being able to understand the purpose of such thinking. Apologises i cant find it at the moment. Not that i am insinuating that you have an IQ from that era. Basically the talk said that people from that era has no use for the hypothetical as it did not benifit to their understanding. Perhaps that is why you do not value these ideas.
The fact remains however that thinking in this manner has benifited society greatly. Being able to seperate yourself from an event and look at it objectivly can give us a new understanding. Especially with relation to such things as mortality. There is a very good harvard talk and although it sounds boring gives you a good laugh about such hypothetical questions. CZcams "Harvard lecture morality" should be one of the first searches. Make sure to select part 1, continue to watch from their if it interests you.
and that's why your name is sexytime
***** we also havent discussed the value of these people yet. Is the fat guy on the bridge white? What gender/race are the people on the track? its best to take everything into consideration when making such a hefty decision
I like donuts...
Pretty sure I'm a psychopath.
donupath
911 call the policeeeeeee
You make Homer Simpson look like a choir boy.
Eddie M liking food makes you a fat ass? Okay
But i thought the planet is a donut that means im a psychopath
This man unironically using the trolley problem meme vocally
I remember watching a hunter hunter video saying how gon is a literal psychopath and this helps make that make sense XD
1. No, I would not.
2. No, I would not.
+VideoLogDotCom first person I've seen who actually came up with 2 proper answers.
+Kristiana Wilson Since I started to have a little concern over my well-being.
I decided to take a mental illness test today and the most I got were a few high scoring disorders.
More points means leaning towards the conditions.
0 out of 100 Substance Disorder.
56 out of 100 Depression.
0 out of 100 Bipolar.
29 out of 100 Mania.
73 out of 100 PTSD. (Post-Dramatic Stress Disorder)
94 out 100 GAD. (General Anxiety Disorder)
73 out of 100 Panic Disorder.
70 out of 100 Panic Attack.
***** Well, you take yourself seriously enough to find out. Credit where it's due. I hope however any anxiety you face isn't controlling your decisions and lifestyle/
+Kristiana Wilson Well, I don't think it's that bad.
It is enough where I noticed it but I can see it get better.
+pricktroooollll I'd try to save everyone or not get involved at all.
I'm not going to kill anyone.
What the fuck is this where the train meme came from
Not this exact video but the concept in general yes.
psychology*
Canta Per Me I think its the one with the vegan and the feminist.
I dont think any of us can give out an answer unless we are actually in that scenario
the first question already make me think what would I do? I don't want to flick the switch just because the 5 will be safe but the 1 will die. I most likely would close my eyes and scream, later realize there was a switch and I could have saves them, so I feel guilty for years.
Apparently I'm a psychopath. Good to know, that explains my thoughts.
I wouldn't push the guy over the bridge, not out of emotions for the stranger, but because of him not having to do anything with the train. The people on the train chose to be in the train, and they chose to take the risks that come with travelling by train (Despite the extremely unlikely case, it's still a possibility). Hence I would not push the man over the bridge, because he has nothing to do with their choice; they should face the consequences of their choices themselves. Just a rational approach right? Don't think I'm a psychopath, but I ain't that emotional over throwing a stranger off a bridge.
Don't think you quite understand my comment.
Nevermind, I mishead the 'and it's gonna plow into 5 people', I'm not english and didn't hear the word 'plow' yet. Anyways... push the guy.
didnt he say it would be a little different in the 2nd test he never said the switch was gone and neither did he say the 1 singular person was on the other side so why not just hit the switch no lives wasted hooray??
idk
So if I even had a dilemma with making a decision in the first scenario, or happen to be rather large myself and thought if I threw myself on the tracks instead of the large stranger, then what does that say about me? Suicidal? Messiah complex? And therfore a kind of 'super psychopath'? Genuinly curious.
I would just stand there and wonder why there are 5 people on the train tracks while a train was coming. I would then let Darwinism take over.
Typically it's told that they are maintenance workers.
OH I know I'm crazy.....
Well, the interesting thing is that if you understand psychopathy, you also understand that a true psychopath behaves in a very rational manner, and is hardly what most people would call "crazy." Your textbook psychopath lacks empathy or remorse, but that hardly makes them irrational. Rather, they are unable to see the benefit of group social dynamics, and completely (or almost completely) lack empathy. In any given scenario, they will serve only their own short-term needs and desires, and see no need either to care about others, or to worry about the long term effects of their actions on others or even themselves. Psychopaths are perfectly rational...but also very self-serving and short-sighted.
Mishalex me
Calcifer sure
+Calcifer Granted. It is a gross oversimplification, but for the purposes of profiling, it is generally adequate. But you are correct. A psychopath is certainly capable of detailed, long-term planning. I didn't mean to say otherwise. What I meant was that basic individual wants, needs, and desires seem to dominate the thinking of the majority of people diagnosed as psychopaths, and generally speaking, focusing only on these goals is rather short-sighted in my view. That's not to say there aren't plenty of non-psychopaths that think similarly, and it also isn't to say that psychopaths can't enact elaborate, long-term plans.
Mishalex ya
Thanks