This video is such a reminder that being a fighter pilot isn't just joystick pew pew, there's so many physical demands on your body, you're constantly fighting to breathe even with g-suits, and imagine keeping focus with these g-forces
There are lots of people out there who seriously think its basically an office job to be sitting in a fighter jet :D Under one video about scrambling for F16 launch, such comment got dozens of likes and agreeable replies :D They should watch this video, I guess that only looking at cockpit/base walkthroughs when the plane is stationary doesnt give the full picture afterall :D
@@zenitu6914I mean. It depends. In most dogfights they always like to stay fast, maybe at 300-350 knots for most fighters, whilst some may operate better at slow speeds, notably like the F-18C and Super Hornet, which can bleed off speed quickly and bring the nose around with its nose authority. Sometimes these slow speeds are optimal and can bring some jets to the point of stalling, and since these usually happen at the deck at these speeds, there’s no altitude to dump the nose to regain speed. So sometimes stalling can kill in dogfights, although rare, it does happen.
@@zenitu6914 The ability of an aircraft to stall has nothing to do with engine power or thrust-to-weight ratio. It depends on the layout of the airframe and the air intakes. the planes in the video are moving at a speed of mach 0.45, at this speed no modern jet engine will stall, regardless of the layout
Excactly that. But a lot of Americans here, theirs main "argument" for "F22 is much better" is F22 was in movie, or "it was on Discovery chanell the best"?
BTW there isnt a voice when you are locked, it's a sound. When a new radar has been detected (not locked or launched on) you hear a blip. When locked it's a constant beeping tone and when launched on it gives a faster beeping. If it's a fox 2 there is no tone unless they jet had a mws, which it's tome changes depending on the system
Blah blah blah. The whole point of the F-22 is to avoid these engagements. Whether that works in real life will have to wait until the first real air-to-air engagement - it may never even see that. Its a credit to the F-22 that it did as well as it did. It is a large and fast plane, similar to the F-15 it replaced. Most often the F-16 is the better plane in close engagement against the F-15 due to it being lighter and more agile, not a bad comparison to this engagement. The Rafale is smaller and more agile while still retaining two engines which probably give it a good amount of pickup when needed. BTW, hats off to this French pilot and his plane. He certainly earned it and the plane is definitely a beast in a dogfight.
Rafale’s are pretty serious contenders in close combat. Their maneuverability mixed with their low stall speed makes them dangerous as hell. And French pilots are pretty damn skilled. Edit: It really sucks that we can't just enjoy these beautiful aircraft without getting super political. It's a shame that this comment section has divulged into a bunch of ignorant garbage.
@dom com. Do tell me how WWII has *ANY FUCKING RELEVANCE* to the topic at hand that is Rafale being a badass in a dogfight??? Also you are beinga fucking dunce and downplaying the frenchmen efforts in the WWII >_> How about you throw your bias out of the goddamn window?
G-DOGG - Cool Adventures Yeah I was wondering on edge as hell. And my hart was starting to beat faster and faster. Lol. But trying to keep up with the raptor is some crazy stuff.
That's just the G force in dogfight that's just crazy but actually the Rafle was not fighting that hard because the F22 pilot was not that experienced so that was pretty much easy for the Rafale to Fox2 him... If you want to know more about the fight there is a really cool video about it in English and in French by ATE-topgun2speaker a former Rafale pilot
he's breathing so heavily to pump oxygen to his brain cause in a jet you can experience even 9 times the force of earth gravity and all the blood is pushed down from his brain to the legs
To people asking how this happened. The Rafale is playing the offensive roll while the F-22 is playing the defensive roll. They take turns flipping rolls. They don't do head on battles to reduce mid-air collisions. The F-22 needs to try to evade the Rafale when the Rafale has every advantage in this scenario. The F22 has won 241 to 2 losses in Red Flag exercises. It's only lost here and to a Mirage 2000 both while the F-22 was playing defense.
@@feynman_QED "The 241-to-two record was amassed over two weeks of air engagements. Tolliver noted that, in such battles, Red Air units were allowed to regenerate and return to the fight, but lost Blue forces could not. Even with such handicaps, in the largest single engagement, F-22-led forces claimed 83 enemies to one loss, after facing down an opposing force that had generated or regenerated 103 adversary fighters."
Great cope but the Rafale wins this one easily. Also OF COURSE the F-22 will be better than all Western Aircraft, I mean it would be like shooting yourself in the foot if your next generation aircraft gets beaten by an F-16/15/14
Hey guys I am french and I recognise that the F22 is a fucking beast why don't you recognise the Rafale is also pretty badass and anyway we will never know which one is the deadliest in dogfight because we are allies and friends!! The good part of it is that each side has an ally with fucking badass fighters!! And that good! :) So stop arguing forever and let's celebrate this good piece of dogfight demonstration.
always give props to french. They are excellent engineers always have been. Don't consider the f22 badass though. In my eyes it stopped way short of what I would make a gen 5 plane. t the very least would of added electro gravitics to help with the g force problem. It also needed another gun platform type I will not disclose do not want to give anyone this idea. this way in close it could pull maneuvers that would tear other planes apart.
Regardless of whether this is an actual fight or not. Respect to any pilot taking that G force. Probably the worst thing about flying in the airforce right?
F-22 is not the best in dog fight but i wonder how they got in dog fight first of all. Because F-22 is size of marble to get spotted or Raptor would have detected it long before RAFALE
@Apoorv Chauhan no it's not true.....Yes it can be locked by rafales but in a very rare case, in this case before this footage f22 killed Rafale 4 times and the game was of 5 killes
0:10 to 0:30 and 0:37 to 0:43 he has radar lock on that F-22 with moments of MICA seeker tracking. At 0:13 and 0:42 the MICA seeker head even locks! 0:50 FOX TWO! He had a good 5 seconds of seeker head lock for fox two prior to the 0:50 MICA launch and prior he had at least three moments of off bore slingshots he could have taken. 2:39 the Rafale breaks off. I'm amazed at how many times the Rafale locked onto the F-22. The thing is we don't know how many times the F-22 had a lock on the Rafale! For certain the F-22 would have had Fox Three before this turned into a dogfight. I really wonder though if F-22 even got Fox Two looking at those merges and AOA. Rafale was in a much better position numerous times during that engagement and was the superior pilot. INCREDIBLE! SALUTE Armée de l'Air!
There were no missiles on the Rafale and was flying clean that's why it had to run because it was running out of fuel.... How can you lock when you have no missiles?
David Burke You think they run exercises like this to measure performance matrices yet they do not mount dummy missile et al? If they are simulating a MICA IR launch then without question they have a dummy MICA IR with a working seaker head on the wing rails. The question is are the drop tanks still attached? I think not.
LudicFallacies I'm sure they don't to maximize the Rafale's turn capability. I am also sure that if they where to put dummy missiles on they would not weigh as much as the real thing, especially when you want to catch a Raptor.
Much respect to the Rafale. While I would be surprised if it could consistently take down a Raptor, the Rafale is still one of the best fighters out there.
Dog fighters. But if it were about being an air superiority fighter with attack abilities? that'd be a completely different story. We're just isolating our focus to the subject measured. (It's like the anthropic principle in physics. lol)
@@trumanhw This is wrong, the Rafale has not been created for dogfights, it's just a multirole fighter, he also has one of the best Air/Air capabilities... F22 is a 5th gen fighter, Rafale is maybe the only one "4+" gen and maybe today he is a 5th gen because they keep updating it since a few year. But what I can tell you is, there are no "invisible fighters" in the US army, the rafale can detect all of them, it's just marketing... The rafale also has stealth capabilities.
Training like this is done all the time. Its important for them to be pitted against hard adversaries. Teaches critical skills. Even training missions are not always designed to be even matched. We've had numerous visitors here at Langley to train/fight with/against the F-22's. Its great training for both air forces!
I’m not at all surprised by this since both the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon were designed from the outset with minimum turn radius as one of the primary goals. That said, dogfighting in modern air combat is essentially the same thing as bayonet training in the army and effectively boils down to individual pilot abilities. Whoever can pull more G’s for longer, wins.
@265justy Your head is stuck in the world of video games. Anything about 5G wears pilots down quickly, I know in your video game only 9G sounds like a lot.
Keep crying child. today you can see trench warfare even with abrams challengers and leopards, himars ele.warfare drones, etc.. and this is not future of air combat but reallity today when 2 equals are fighting.. With 5th gen you can fight against 3rd world countries arica middle east south america... Try thisnwith eu russia china and you will come to basic dogfights..
Mos intense 3 min that I had. After the merge when he screams under 7G and 8G, I was like "go go go You can do this!" These guys are superhumans, my neck is hurting just watching this lol
I'm American and even I wouldn't have been surprise if the Rafale locked the Raptor for a little bit. The F-22 is not invisible at close range but merely incognito and I'm not surprised that Rafale was able to FOX 2 the Raptor at least once. Hats off to the French!
It did not. This is a gunfight and he never gets a solution. The Raptor is literally flying circles around him. The reason he suddenly breaks off the engagement in the middle of an aggressive turn and starts communicating with the ground, is because he just got killed. He did, by any standard, put up a valiant fight.
He killed the F22 with gun shot and as said the Raphael is an excellent fighter in the dogfight situation. The key is never to get this close but in heated reality this situation can happen. Small numbers of fighters could get boxed in and have to fight like this the dogfight isn’t over yet snd that’s why training like this continues today ragardless of what is frequently published online.
@@springbloom5940 You gotta be fucking blind, this Rafale is prettymuch on the F-22's 6 o'clock prettymuch all the time, he even calls fox 2 around 0:51 (which is an IR-guided missile). Also at 2:30 what is that if not a target solution??? It is not only just a solution but the killshot that ended the dogfight. Next time you start talking shit try to make sure that you dont make yourself look like a dumbass.
@@zameliz You have zero clue WTF you are talking about. Of course you could actually lookup this engagement and find out the info for yourself. Note how the video begins, in the middle of a high G turn. This is because its edited to exclude the initial position, where the Rafale is given advantage underneath and behind. From the go, he is chasing the Raptor. The video is over three minutes; the Raptor is visible for appx 18 sec total and *never* from behind. This is not by any stretch of the imagination, 'on his six oclock'(dont use words you dont understand, just because you think they sound cool). He does not declare FOX2, he complains "fuck... fox2", because his *opinion* is that he could've used a missile. He is however, wrong, because he was too close and in a hard turn; a missile would not have been able to make the turn at such close range. While too close for missiles, he was still out of gun range, so he had nothing there. Note that all but one time, the raptor appears from *behind* the turn. This is because the Raptor is out-turning him. He *never* at *any* point, gets a shot. The little box is not a 'lock', which you would know, if your knowledge reached beyond TV and poorly designed video games. That green line trailing the reticle(the box), is the ballistic solution, aka the bullet trajectory. Thats ehere the bullets go and to get a hit, that line must fit at least half of it inside the reticle, for at least 2 sec. No, no, no, you must be legitimately retarded if you think thats what ended the engagement. He was desperately trying to get a firing solution as the Raptor performed a hammerhead, turned 180° and came right back at him. It was after the Raptor got behind him, that he broke off the engagement, suddenly, right in the middle of a maneuver... because he.. got... smoked. This is three dimensional space, junior.
He started at 500 knots and was all the way down to 80kts. He did manage a Fox 2 snapshot that may or may not have tracked, but the authority in the slow speed regime was impressive.
I really don't care who won or lost, its an exercise, things are conducted in a controlled manner (maybe not decided, but managed).. The fact that these two pilots managed not to crash into each other is itself a testimony to their skills.. 😊🤙
I would have performed an inverted Split S, negative G, with a reverse Immelmann, at the end of the Loop. Or, Extended my variable geometrical wings, and slow down, and he would have flown right past me, then watch out for his jet wash, so I don't stall out, and have to bail.
The Raphael is nothing to scoff at...that is a very DEADLY platform. The F22 program has never claimed the aircraft to be invincible. You win some, you lose some...the F22 was made to lose less than any other aircraft. Well done to the Frenchie!!!
RA-FA-L --> 'A' as in 'ARM'. Also the 'E' at the end is silent. It means 'Burst of fire' in the military shooting sense and 'Gust' of wind in the meteorological sense.
True. Jet fighters can take a lot of force, the only limiting factor in combat is the pilot's ability to take g-forces. Imagine when there are jet fighters without pilot's, those things would be able to move like never before.
@@aravindhks3785 For now, wait till you find AI piloted fighters turning at 30Gs. When that happens, the only limiting factor to how fast aircraft can go is material strength.
+f50koenigg F-22 driver gave up and went into the vertical after he made the frenchies work for it. props to them they hung in there and fought for it all the way. it was good all in good fun. i think in a realistic engagement, meaning no controlled merges, it would be over for the rafale before anything gets into a slow turning show.
I mean, we already have like 30-35 squadrons of Su-30Mk1. We needed air superiority in a different generation. Plus, we might just get them shiny Raptors some day or the other for a specific unit.
@@breastmilkgaming that doesn't change the fact that we're capable of purchasing more 5th gen. The AMCA has been in talks for years now. Every country's got a plan for indie 6th gen r&d . What's your point?
@@dhruv1019 IAF strictly wants a 5th gen indigenous fighter , amca prototypes will be out by 2026 & only USA/UK are working on 6th gen afaik because they've that money and tech. "EvERy CouNtrY" hahaha lol finish your 10 th first kid lmao you used "as a fact" as if you were correct dunbass, IAF won't be buying su57/f35s www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=zeenews.india.com/india/iaf-not-looking-at-foreign-5th-generation-stealth-jets-or-36-more-rafales-to-go-for-indigenous-advanced-medium-combat-aircraft-2238449.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwih2J6GiafqAhVTfSsKHSovDjQQFjABegQIDBAI&usg=AOvVaw31QQ344dnkKByoC2ZZntvE&cf=1 that's why they say half knowledge is dangerous
@@breastmilkgaming instead of using premature insults to save your crippling insecurities , re-read what I commented. I said "capable of purchasing" not going to purchase i.e. IN TALKS. Just like the amca program has been re-scheduled like 5 times since it was initiated in 2008. And you must obviously know the Tejas project was delayed by 20 years, right? Wtf do you think the ministry did erstwhile? Kept duct taping ancient Mig-21s? No, purchased sukhois and recently, to create a special squadron, Rafale. It's called having a backup plan, an idea you'd be able to even consider, if you were an adult (apparently not).
idk. modern air combat is not ww2. you fire your missiles at long range. this is only a test whether the modern jet can shake off a bogey from 6 close range which would be low probability since you dont engage in close fighting if youre american
@@darugdawg2453 Yuh, as i just explained to someone above somewhere... This is like comparing an Israeli Uzi to a 416 Cheytech Intervention. The Rafale is VERY agile and can manouver at very slow speeds without stalling, but in that, the jet is fairly slow itself... pushing Mach 1.8 max. The F-22 is not a dog fighter, its an Interdiction fighter. They knew exactly what you stated back when they made this and even before back during Korea/Vietnam. They even made jets at that time with JUST missiles because the tech was just so good at the time that they didnt think they would even need to dogfight. Though, those situations do come up when you are low and slow doing patrols or attacking ground targets. The F-22 was designed at absolute max range engagements. Their speed is nearing a blackbird, classified but theoretical max is somewhere around Mach 2.5-2.8. With its AIMS and AMRAMs and extremely advanced targeting systems, it has a combat range of (now more than) over 500 miles. Thats from Kansas City, MO to right near Denver, CO. Hundreds of miles outside of visual range. Having to rely on radar vs a stealth aircraft that can give you the bad touch from 500+ miles away is a big gigantic nope. Your only options are to go into strong defensive actions as soon as you hear the AMRAMs locking you, flee before that happens... or splash down. In a real world combat situation anyway. In a situation like we just watched, we can see that the Rafale is very agile and an extremely good dogfighter, match that with an amazing pilot and you have a splashed F-22. But this situation would never happen.
@@darugdawg2453 Yuh, as i just explained to someone above somewhere... This is like comparing an Israeli Uzi to a 416 Cheytech Intervention. The Rafale is VERY agile and can manouver at very slow speeds without stalling, but in that, the jet is fairly slow itself... pushing Mach 1.8 max. The F-22 is not a dog fighter, its an Interdiction fighter. They knew exactly what you stated back when they made this and even before back during Korea/Vietnam. They even made jets at that time with JUST missiles because the tech was just so good at the time that they didnt think they would even need to dogfight. Though, those situations do come up when you are low and slow doing patrols or attacking ground targets. The F-22 was designed at absolute max range engagements. Their speed is nearing a blackbird, classified but theoretical max is somewhere around Mach 2.5-2.8. With its AIMS and AMRAMs and extremely advanced targeting systems, it has a combat range of (now more than) over 500 miles. Thats from Kansas City, MO to right near Denver, CO. Hundreds of miles outside of visual range. Having to rely on radar vs a stealth aircraft that can give you the bad touch from 500+ miles away is a big gigantic nope. Your only options are to go into strong defensive actions as soon as you hear the AMRAMs locking you, flee before that happens... or splash down. In a real world combat situation anyway. In a situation like we just watched, we can see that the Rafale is very agile and an extremely good dogfighter, match that with an amazing pilot and you have a splashed F-22. But this situation would never happen.
It's not the gun, its the man behind the gun....True Aviator knows his craft by heart and will always drag the opponent to his own favorable conditions....Dog fight really comes down to nerves and finger tips.....Beautiful
I can only imagine how proud these countries would be. To not just make their own aircraft, but all the tech from radars to cannon bullets that goes inside 1. Many good wishes to France and US.
"Wah wah Thrust Vectoring." "Wah wah it'd kill you before you saw it." If the F-22's so superior, can we give the Rafale props to the fact they beat the supposed best Air Superiority Fighter there is currently? Former F-14 Pilot of nearly a decades here and that Rafale pilot is definitely a skilled one I will say that much.
Both of these aircraft are incredible pieces of machinery. I can't say I know if their other technology is evenly matched, but they're DEFINITELY evenly matched in pilots and maneuverability. Good job on the AdA for winning this fight - speaks to their equipment and pilots both.
If a Rafale is on your 6 your ducked usually lol, but the F-22 is designed to nit have to dogfight, and should destroy the enemy from far away. The F-22 is capable in a Digfight, but almost nothing touches a Rafale
@@thefightingswallow7613 Sounds about right. They're both supermaneuverable, though, aren't they? How much can we know about their relative performance without actual flight data figures?
@@fim-43redeye31 We don't know they're true figures, but because if design we can make a solid assumption. The Rafale, having Delta wing configuration, will be more maneuverable because it has better AoA, however it can't win in a rate fight because the Delta wing burns energy like a mf. The Raptor is very maneuverable, but it just can't stand up to the Rafale in this situation. Maybe, if the Rafale pilot wasn't thinking straight, the Raptor would win
If boh were on the deck rate fighting the raptor would probably ein because it has better energy. The Rafale, at altitude, can dump it's nose and make up energy by using altitude.
@@thefightingswallow7613 Makes sense. I guess a Rafale can just turn if it's going fast enough and put its nose on pretty much anything, that makes life easy- thanks for the explanation
Rafale is twice lighter, so it has a better maneuverability at low speed and can more easily stay behind an enemy. It’s not bad for the rafale since it’s considered as a multirole aircraft
So, for anyone who's actually curious about what happened here. 6 F-22's from the USAF flew to the UAE to do a joint training exercise with French Rafale's, Royal Air Force Typhoons, and UAE Rafale's. In total, the F-22's went up against Rafales in 12 enagements.6 resulted in F-22 victories, 5 in draws, and 1 in a Rafale victory. The Rafale victory was achieved by a UAE pilot, but the French ministry of defense released the footage seen here to tout the prowess of their Rafale fighters, without mentioning the losses their aircraft racked up..
The rafale can't beat the raptor,but man,respect for this pilot for tracking the aircraft like that,the pilots got some sick skills Salute from pakistan
@KingDC u are insane ...no...actually u are a non sense...😂😂...dumbass go checkout the data first....don't know where u fools come from..😂😂..who know nothing but get fucked with their dumb knowledge everywhere.....rafale is 4.5 gen aircraft. ...and f 22 is not 5th gen..... apart from that there are many more things taken into account while comaparing aircrafts...which u dumbass will not get..😂
@Ali Mohsin how there will be difference in stress for G force ? Whatever may be the machine forces applied for a speed and direction have to be same no ?
@@saurabhsawant6487 -- Seat angle and position. Although you'll be pulling the same G-forces, you can experience them differently. The F-16 notably changed the standard seat-back angle from 13 degrees to 30 degrees for comfort/g-tolerances. Think of driving up a steep grade and a shallow grade hill. Shallow grade it's easier to keep your speed up and less taxing on the engine. How this translates to seat angles -- the big thing you're trying to do is keep blood flowing to your head. If you're sitting straight up and you have forces pushing straight down, and blood's being pushed straight up, the forces have to directly counteract each other. But, if the blood's being pushed up at an angle, and the forces are still pushing straight down, there's less force needed to keep it going up. Your heart (the engine in this metaphor) doesn't need to push out as much force to keep going up that hill.
@@gnomish844 I thought g suites are for keeping the blood flow pushed up. Thanks for information. Not sure if I followed all of it , will need more understanding and reading from my side. Cheers.
@@saurabhsawant6487 -- G suits do help, too, but only so much. But they operate on the same idea -- keep blood to the brain. Everything you do to keep that happening allows you to pull more G's. Think of it this way, if you had 2 feet of tubing, would it be easier to get the water to the end if you were pushing it straight up, or if it was flat? Flat, right, since you're not working against gravity? Everything in between that 0 (flat) and 90 degrees (straight up) will get progressively more difficult, but will be *most* difficult at 90 degrees.
Dessault build some potent jets. We won in '67 decimating 3 opposing airforces using French Mirrage as multirole & Vautour bombers. The French have some good kit.
trespire the f22 kill zone is above 60K feet where it can out run out maneuver any attacking warplanes . The F22 wouldn't be used like a F-15 or F-16 in war time that is where everyone keeps getting it wrong .
This exercise was a dogfight only using air to air and gun. What is relevant, is that the F-22 is just and air to air superiority combat fighter and the Rafale C F3 is a multirole aircraft not designed specifically for air superiority. The surprise was that the F-22 could not get the Rafale out of its tail and was finally shot down both by gun and targeted missile. Unfairly, an USAF officer said that the F-22 was carrying its fuel tanks and that reduced its maneuver capability: that's why this video was "leaked".
tu sais pas de quoi tu parles, czcams.com/video/d88YbOAYM-g/video.html le rafale est le plus complet au monde mais mange rivalise aussi en chasse pur avec le f22
While the euro fighter and Rafale are designated multi role air craft this really comes down to the fact that smaller nations do not have the budget to have an ASF and a work horse/ multi role plane. So their ASF has to do the multi role work as well, not to mention that the F-22 can do strike missions as well so it isn't limited to just air superiority. I have read that planes like the Euro fighter Typhoon and Rafale are 50/50 in close combat against the F-22, where the F-22 is suppose to shine is in BVR combat though there are methods and tactics to defeat its stealth advantage.
It is easy to play on ps4 but hard to fly in real life you have an enemy at your target and due to g force you sare passing out to have to controll both
So.... Everyone in the comment section arguing which is the better machine. Though the fact that machines are just machines but its capability only matters who's its "PILOT".
This engagement is unlikely to occur in reality. The F-22 pilot will see the Rafale on radar long before the Rafale sees him. I'm sure this was an engagement to test the maneuverability of each aircraft.
the rafale is ONE best of the world with the F22 , RAFALE WITH F22 the dream team !!! it's why the allied work together , and this file has showed when the french and US technologies work together it's very fearsome , and the USAF recognised the RAFALE is a GOOD stealth jet .
Well the Rafale has very minimal stealth capabilities so I wouldn’t say that’s what it’s good at. It’s clearly a good dog fighter though and that f-22 pilot got “out-piloted” on this one. F-22 is still probably the superior machine but I’d put the rafale up there with the su-35s and the typhoon as being a half step back but still being a fantastic fighter jet.
@@kunaljain3196 another hater with a country who cant create either one of these machines without outside help. Keep up the strategy of blowing yourselves up with home made pipe bombs. You just make it to easy
@@Cleans.Your.Faah. we dnt make ied's and pipe bomb we made brahmos.. idiot.. oh how will u know except a few rest of u just eat hamburgers and break your chairs
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@@kunaljain3196 you understand that. This was training exercise right? Part of the exercise you have plane on your tail and you try to lose the tail. They have many senarios, where one plays the aggressor/defender. According to sources at the exercise rafael was shot down 6 times, while f22 was shot 1 time and 5 other times it was a draw. US don't need f22 for dogfight, it has f15ex, which is 50 year old plane still better than rafael and f22in most categories. Even f16 scored kill on f22 on close combat. Raptor is king of bvr combat. F15 been proved with over 100 combat kills and 0 loss. F15ex can carry over two dozen air to air missiles. So if new rafael struggles vs 50 year old f15. Then why would f22 cost twice as f15ex and perform less, carry less missiles, higher maintenance, etc. Rafael or f15ex would be shot down 100 miles before it find there is f22 flying. If you take out stealth then all are pretty close to performance. Most of you guys are fan boys, i love all jets as engineering feat. Best Jet at moment is f22 for 5th generation. For 4th generation su-35, rafael, and f15ex. Probably will have f15ex over rafael.
Sure, the F-22A was designed more for BVR combat (what most modern air combat will likely be). However, it was still designed to do tight maneuvers and close range dogfighting as well. The F-22 in this video was more than likely equipped simulated flares, simulated gun rounds, and simulated Aim-9's (Infrared-Aspect Close Range Missiles). It's not like the F-22 was defenseless. As much as I love both the F-22 and the USAF, the French won this round fair and square.
@@VV-xg5ci If you knew anything you would know that F22 has signature pods aka RCS pods on it for Nato training purposes. It increases its RCS. Reality! Denial is any clown thinking the Rafale will get a hud cue on a F22 without a RCS pod. Educate yourselves. All you armchair fighter pilots are hilarious!
For 1 it's not really a dogfight, they are put in a specific situation, and it's all about training for the French pilot. He's supposed to be chasing the F22. The F22 is literally just trying to evade, not engage
therant311 Fox hound Carlos Santos I had the privilege to visit Dassault production lines. The rafale can litteraly sense hot air flows in the air, so the pilot can follow the other aircraft. Besides, the rafale have a powerful Thales radar in the nose, that can, at medium range, detect aircrafts like the F-22. Glad to help ;)
Out of 112 air to air combats. 80% did not detect the missle destroying it. This was from a study in the 1980's. Close combat in air to air scenarios are very rare. No more Top Gun guys. While this is fun for pilots its not reality anymore.
The comments on F22 stealth 😂 ..stealth is designed to work on the outer edges of the enemy's radar with maximum stealth with the f22 nose pointed toward the radar for max radar cross section.Allowing the f22 to get the first shot! Stealth does not work on dog fights and any radar can detect an f22 at close range.
Of 10 or 11 engagements, the Rafale only won 1 fight. The F22 is also not allowed to use active stealth as it is still confidential. Doing so would risk allowing enemies to use deductive reasoning to gather critical information. The F22 is also equipped with a radar buoy to counter its own passive stealth as, contrary to popular belief, it does have excellent rear aspect stealth. The exhaust is also mitigated somewhat from Fox 2/ heat seekers. These particular training exercises were WVR only, testing BFM maneuvers. The F22 has never lost a recorded battle against any allied fighter in BVR for obvious reasons, even with similar handicaps (correct me if I'm wrong). THAT BEING SAID: French pilots are absolute beasts. Easily among the best in the world. The French Rafale is an EXCELLENT aircraft. It's delta wing affords it excellent maneuverability. It also has very good modern avionics. We do not know the full specs of either plane, as it is all guarded and confidential for obvious reasons. Only the pilots and their respective militaries will know. We do not even know the full capabilities of their missiles in regards to speed, range, etc. Same reasons as above. I am fairly certain both planes flew with mock armaments to fully simulate a true loadout. It would be in their best interest to do so, being that it is a training exercise and the alternative would not make much sense/ benefit. All of this information I've gathered from various commentators who were/are pilots, engineers, etc. Sources including but not limited to various aviation magazines, journals, documentaries, and some videos here on CZcams from people such as Mover, & Ate. Information may have changed or have been updated, so i welcome you all to fact check my words. Lastly, remember that we are ALLIES. If shit hits the fan, you'd want your friends to have your back with the best skills, tactics, and weapons as possible. Hoping your friends have inferior weapons than you in the face of a dangerous foe is like throwing them under a bus just so you can take the ass beating alone. Don't be that guy. Keep it civil. God bless America and her Allies.
Agree. My country does operate the rafale and even I dream of operating those beasts in coming 4 years but the f22 is surely daddy of all the fighter jets
Not true at all, I personally know pilots who participated to this training, Frenchies won 90% of combats. Rafale wasn't at 100% neither, I can't talk about classified information here. But this dog fights were the main reason why US stopped producing this f22, because US senat discovered all the lies
@Fakher e Alam Unlike Army rule, India is a democracy, one can't hide death of fighter pilot. But on that Dog fight day, Pakistani officials including puppet Imaran changed count of pilots captured or dead twice. On the contrary, Indian Airforce neither chnaged their numbers nor their statement.
@Fakher e Alam And looking back at the history of Pakistan i.e. denying presence of Osama-bin-laden, not recognizing Bangladesh genocide, not claiming bodies of their fallen soldiers in Kargil, one can judge the morals of this military state which holds world record of largest troop surrender.
This is no movie, it is real. The better trained pilot (and his total dedication during the engagement) won because he wanted to beat his opponent. It's not the plane, but the pilot... A prime law since the First World War...
That was incredible, if you know what your looking at you can follow as he changes acquisition modes and attempts to lock back up for the radar gun sight.
In my opinion they are both equally amazing aircraft and i find this dogfight like a boxing match between two of the worlds greatest fighters. While both have there advantages and disadvantages its still anyone's game, just because the rafale was able to beat the raptor in this simulation does not make it a better fighter just a plane, under the right pilot, that can get the job done in this scenario, but that doesn't mean the 22 couldn't win if they had a rematch.
@@malefeetmalefeet105 Actually, no. This was from a series of training engagements conducted in the UAE between UAE Rafales, French Rafales, British Typhoons and USAF Raptors. Of the 12 F-22 vs Rafale engagments, 6 resulted in F-22 victories, 5 in draws, and 1 in a Rafale victory. Despite that, the French ministry of defense released this gun camera footage to tout the capabilities of their jets without mentioning that A, it was a UAE pilot that achieved this victory, and B, that it won one, but lost six.
@@USN1985dos no my friend! The report says it was a draw with rafale and f22 winning and loosing equaly. The question is not there, but in the fact that the f22 is supposed to not be threatned in such situation and avoid it easly! But in reality poeple realize that a rafale or typhoon can take down an arplain supposed to be more powerfull and manoevrable, and what it would be if it has to face a stronger opponent such as a su35???
The French RAFALE fighter is the most versatile in the world and has won every competition for over ten years against the F35, F-15, F-16, Mig-35, Gripen, Eurofighter and SU-35.
In Basic Fighter Maneuvers, both sides agree to several different set-ups throughout the sortie. These include neutral merges from the front at the same altitude with lateral separation so they don't have a mid-air collision, butterfly, line abreast, altitude separation with frontal quadrant merges, and rear perch for defensive training by the guy below and and in front. We don't know which one of those BFM set-ups is from, but with every type of fighter the Raptor units have done this against, they have always been very dominant against any contenders. A less experienced but solid Raptor pilot has some real advantages against a more experienced pilot in a Rafale or Typhoon to an extent in BFM, because of the Raptor's nose authority and excess thrust. Normally, the Rafale and Typhoon pilots will have their aircraft stripped down of any external stores or suspension equipment that is essential for combat so that they can get their thrust-to-weight ratio comparable to the F-22's, but they still will always lack the nose authority of the Raptor and its thrust vectoring ability to crank on them when they thought they were dominant. In reality, they will never see it coming in a true air campaign, and are extremely happy to be allied with the US, rather than having to face this as enemies.
ALright everybody pay attention. This is how you pronounce 'RAFALE': RA-FALE --> 2 syllable word --> 'A' is prounnouced 'AH' as in 'ARM'. The 'E' at the end is silent. RAFALE means 'Burst of fire' in the military shooting sense and 'Gust' of wind in the meteorological sense.
I wonder if the software uses a combination of Big data , Machine learning and AI for predictive analytics to identify patterns of jet movement or may be, I am just shooting from the hip. Kudos to these pilots for the G forces they have to endure while manoeuvring the jets. Rafale being 2/3rd of F22 is super agile as expected but if it's BVR, Rafale will chasing a ghost while F22 will see Rafale as clear as daylight.
i expected more from a U$350 million aircraft. Now i believe Russia indeed had radar that could detect stealth, even Rafale could lock on F-22 at that distance
crumcon it could lock on because the rafale has infra red detectors that picked up the engine gases on the raptor, just fit ir detectors and your 350 million worth of stealth is useless. Lol
If not before, but 2:34 was game over for F-22. In real fight, F22 will be killed multiple times from Rafale. Rafale with Mica, Meteor, gun 30 mm, AESA radar 360°, IRA and S.P.E.C.T.R.A is too strong for F-22.
+Joe Serpa Wrong. In real life, the Raptor would have used Radar guided missiles at a range that the Rafale would not be able to detect the F22 at. Clean kill, no engagement. No fighter can defeat the F22 when it is used properly as designed. Unfortunately, you cant simulate this scenario since simulation relies on close range optics, so only real combat will display the F22 as it was meant to be. Ill bet one F22 can take 4-6 Rafales no problem in real combat.
wslx0195 Are you stupid? Check video clip. What you see? Rafale rape F22. Rafale killed F22 without SPECTRA. with SPECTRA it will kill it multiple times. F22 is mostly advertisning. Every 1h26min of flight, F22 have major error, so it don't stand a chance against Rafale.
+Joe Serpa No. lol you don't know what you're saying. 8 old US stealth bombers flew into thousands of AA fire unscathed. B2 bombers flew over USSR during Cold War undetected. F22 would shoot down Rafale (although we would never fight eachother) unnoticed. It's the reason why everyone is copying stealth now.
Possibly. Not sure if the pipper was calculating correctly with the plane moving that much. But at that range put the boresight on the enemy and spray.
@@benzz4109 nope because the rafale use the Magic II missile, learn and translate now : Since Wiki: - " Le Matra 550 Mk2 Magic 2 est un missile à courte portée, inférieure à 15 km. Il est destiné à être utilisé dans le cadre de combats rapprochés. Il dispose d'un autodirecteur infrarouge et est capable d'attaques tous secteurs : arrière (le missile peut être tiré dans le dos de l'appareil ciblé), en face-à-face et de côté. Son autodirecteur infrarouge permet un guidage infrarouge passif discret et AUTONOME appelé « tire et oublie » (Fire and Forget). " Once the system has acquired the enemy at short range, the pilot can fire the missile and the missile goes into "pull and forget" mode and becomes totally autonomous. It can therefore pursue its target by passive infrared scanning even at the rear of the pilot because it is equipped with a passive target automatic acquisition system and is able to differentiate the enemy from lures.
This proves that, more often than not, that it is the skills of the pilots that decide the outcome of an aerial face-off. Technology helps, but on even fields, the experience is the true gauge of who is gonna make it out alive.
An Even playing field is not having the rafale start behind the f 22 lol. The pilot is about to have a fucking heart attack cause of the g's he's taking on trying to keep up with the raptor. In a real war scenario dog fights like this wouldnt happen often. The f 22 would have shot it out of the sky miles before the rafale would even notice it
Pushing himself and his superb machine to its limits. He's an absolute ace of a pilot for sure, but he would've never seen the Raptor in a real world event
O desenho do F-22 desvia o sinal do radar do Rafale, o radar do Rafale só consegue travar o míssil quando o F-22 está com os motores virados para o Rafale, quando o F-22 mostra as costas para o Rafale o radar não consegue engaja-lo, por se tratar de um caça porjetado nos anos 80, podemos afirmar que ainda é um caça extremamente avançado !
No, that's the pilot struggling to keep his blood up within his head by doing some breathing techniques during high-G maneuvers... that alone is already hard to do while maintaining combat situational awareness.
Anthony Baladjay Yup! This is called the hick or hook maneuver. As in trying to say the words “hick” or “hook” while holding your breath and squeezing your stomach/abdomen
Wow 🤯 🙏 If I were there, I would have died from GeForce instead of enemy aircraft . Fighter pilots are awesome , they are most amazing species on this earth .
We're going to receive this master piece tomorrow. And it is beyond imagination for Chinese J20 or Su35. Even it is more agile and sophisticated than French Airforce's Rafael. Jai Hind 🇮🇳😷🙏❤
This video is such a reminder that being a fighter pilot isn't just joystick pew pew, there's so many physical demands on your body, you're constantly fighting to breathe even with g-suits, and imagine keeping focus with these g-forces
+adrenalin = life or death situation
@@metelelee7536 + amphetamine
First time I m seeing this. You are on point.
Yes.. You are right.. ;) It is not easy job sometimes..
There are lots of people out there who seriously think its basically an office job to be sitting in a fighter jet :D Under one video about scrambling for F16 launch, such comment got dozens of likes and agreeable replies :D They should watch this video, I guess that only looking at cockpit/base walkthroughs when the plane is stationary doesnt give the full picture afterall :D
I now realize the winner of a dog fight comes down to who doesn’t pass out first
That or whose plane does not stall and fall to the ground!
@@SuperMvrkthey wouldn’t stall easily these jets have power to weight ration of 1plus and have powerful engines
@@zenitu6914I mean. It depends. In most dogfights they always like to stay fast, maybe at 300-350 knots for most fighters, whilst some may operate better at slow speeds, notably like the F-18C and Super Hornet, which can bleed off speed quickly and bring the nose around with its nose authority. Sometimes these slow speeds are optimal and can bring some jets to the point of stalling, and since these usually happen at the deck at these speeds, there’s no altitude to dump the nose to regain speed. So sometimes stalling can kill in dogfights, although rare, it does happen.
@@zenitu6914 The ability of an aircraft to stall has nothing to do with engine power or thrust-to-weight ratio. It depends on the layout of the airframe and the air intakes. the planes in the video are moving at a speed of mach 0.45, at this speed no modern jet engine will stall, regardless of the layout
I was playing this video in my room and my parents thought I was watching porn
Aviation wise,they're right.
@ 0.31 some one busted their nuts real hard.
Lol🤣🤣🤣
it's a bit true ! the US pilot has taken a lot in his ass ! 😂
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French Pilot: "Thank god they're on our side."
American Pilot: "Thank god they're on our side."
Are they?
@@elta6241
Do your drive-by commenting elsewhere.
matchesburn Someone can’t accept that things don’t always stay the same, and haven’t.
@@elta6241 Amuse toi a traduire ça sur Google traduction connard
@frank lepigeon T as bien raison. Ces imbéciles ne savent que faire la guerre pour faire la paix. Heureusement leur pays est sur le déclin
Being in a dogfight has to be the most stressful thing I could think of
Imagine the adrenaline
Senator
What about being raped?
How about against 8 SAMs?
@@Daisy-ef6bq 🤣🤣 you got a point
I try to imagine the noise in the F22's cockpit.... "LOCKED" "LOCKED" "ALARM!!!" and the pilot "WTF he can see me ?!" LOL
Excactly that. But a lot of Americans here, theirs main "argument" for "F22 is much better" is F22 was in movie, or "it was on Discovery chanell the best"?
BTW there isnt a voice when you are locked, it's a sound. When a new radar has been detected (not locked or launched on) you hear a blip. When locked it's a constant beeping tone and when launched on it gives a faster beeping. If it's a fox 2 there is no tone unless they jet had a mws, which it's tome changes depending on the system
@Frank Jin Rafale can lock F22 at any range possible, no problem. czcams.com/video/WlWQsW4ZZfQ/video.html
Harry Potter's invisibility cloak only works in movies
Blah blah blah. The whole point of the F-22 is to avoid these engagements. Whether that works in real life will have to wait until the first real air-to-air engagement - it may never even see that. Its a credit to the F-22 that it did as well as it did. It is a large and fast plane, similar to the F-15 it replaced. Most often the F-16 is the better plane in close engagement against the F-15 due to it being lighter and more agile, not a bad comparison to this engagement. The Rafale is smaller and more agile while still retaining two engines which probably give it a good amount of pickup when needed.
BTW, hats off to this French pilot and his plane. He certainly earned it and the plane is definitely a beast in a dogfight.
Rafale’s are pretty serious contenders in close combat. Their maneuverability mixed with their low stall speed makes them dangerous as hell. And French pilots are pretty damn skilled.
Edit: It really sucks that we can't just enjoy these beautiful aircraft without getting super political. It's a shame that this comment section has divulged into a bunch of ignorant garbage.
@dom com. it's dishonest because France is the country who won the higest number of battle in the history
@dom com. Do tell me how WWII has *ANY FUCKING RELEVANCE* to the topic at hand that is Rafale being a badass in a dogfight???
Also you are beinga fucking dunce and downplaying the frenchmen efforts in the WWII >_>
How about you throw your bias out of the goddamn window?
dom com. America SUCK
@tfs2O3 What about the US that Started Al Qaida? And that by "Misstake" droped weapons to ISIS fighters instead of Kurdsish fighters...
Yup their pilots sure proved how skilled they were in 1940.. Lmaoooo
Bloody hell, that was some flying, you could almost feel the intensity :-)
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Yeah I was wondering on edge as hell. And my hart was starting to beat faster and faster. Lol. But trying to keep up with the raptor is some crazy stuff.
That's just the G force in dogfight that's just crazy but actually the Rafle was not fighting that hard because the F22 pilot was not that experienced so that was pretty much easy for the Rafale to Fox2 him... If you want to know more about the fight there is a really cool video about it in English and in French by ATE-topgun2speaker a former Rafale pilot
i can certainly hear it
I aminigi the enemy how he sounded
I totally felt the heavy breathing
It's incredible how he just controls the situation. Breathing heavily, But being professional and precise at all time. Congrats!
he's breathing so heavily to pump oxygen to his brain cause in a jet you can experience even 9 times the force of earth gravity and all the blood is pushed down from his brain to the legs
@@ZigzagEnd he knows that for sure mate
To people asking how this happened. The Rafale is playing the offensive roll while the F-22 is playing the defensive roll. They take turns flipping rolls. They don't do head on battles to reduce mid-air collisions. The F-22 needs to try to evade the Rafale when the Rafale has every advantage in this scenario. The F22 has won 241 to 2 losses in Red Flag exercises. It's only lost here and to a Mirage 2000 both while the F-22 was playing defense.
Thank you for the brief
You're a hero man!
Can you suggest the source where these data are shown?
@@feynman_QED "The 241-to-two record was amassed over two weeks of air engagements. Tolliver noted that, in such battles, Red Air units were allowed to regenerate and return to the fight, but lost Blue forces could not. Even with such handicaps, in the largest single engagement, F-22-led forces claimed 83 enemies to one loss, after facing down an opposing force that had generated or regenerated 103 adversary fighters."
Great cope but the Rafale wins this one easily.
Also OF COURSE the F-22 will be better than all Western Aircraft, I mean it would be like shooting yourself in the foot if your next generation aircraft gets beaten by an F-16/15/14
Hey guys I am french and I recognise that the F22 is a fucking beast why don't you recognise the Rafale is also pretty badass and anyway we will never know which one is the deadliest in dogfight because we are allies and friends!!
The good part of it is that each side has an ally with fucking badass fighters!! And that good! :) So stop arguing forever and let's celebrate this good piece of dogfight demonstration.
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great comment
+arno222444 yes but......
Rafale > F22 ! :D
always give props to french. They are excellent engineers always have been. Don't consider the f22 badass though. In my eyes it stopped way short of what I would make a gen 5 plane. t the very least would of added electro gravitics to help with the g force problem. It also needed another gun platform type I will not disclose do not want to give anyone this idea. this way in close it could pull maneuvers that would tear other planes apart.
It's not about friendly competition. Americans want to be the best! Was this exercise in Alaska?
Everyone’s gangsta until a Rafale shows up on your six.
LOL excellent !!!
@kpb96m1 Pulling between 2 and 8G you can bet the F22 pilot is breathing just as heavy
@kpb96m1 🤣🤣🤣🤣 kids today hey... believe anything put in front of them. Need me to point out the many things wrong with your comment.
@@slingitsideways that one flew over your head higher than F-22
@kpb96m1 is that why je lost the fight ? :)
Regardless of whether this is an actual fight or not. Respect to any pilot taking that G force. Probably the worst thing about flying in the airforce right?
Yeah :D
At 00:31, you can hear him poke his eyeball back into the socket.
@@springbloom5940 wait what?!
@@danielpadilla7601
Its a high-G joke.
@@springbloom5940 Ohhh ok. Sorry kinda got freaked out for a moment. 😅
Darth Vader: May the G-Force be with you!
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Alright let's go in comment section and see what experts say about it......
F-22 is not the best in dog fight but i wonder how they got in dog fight first of all. Because F-22 is size of marble to get spotted or Raptor would have detected it long before RAFALE
@@Borex2 don't worry it's not a real dog fight
akshay deshpande In reality f22 ain’ t even appearing on rafale’s radar and it will get shot down without even the pilot’s concern
@@w1z4rd9 Nope...
Rafale also have very small rcs(0.5 sqm)..
@Apoorv Chauhan no it's not true.....Yes it can be locked by rafales but in a very rare case, in this case before this footage f22 killed Rafale 4 times and the game was of 5 killes
0:10 to 0:30 and 0:37 to 0:43 he has radar lock on that F-22 with moments of MICA seeker tracking. At 0:13 and 0:42 the MICA seeker head even locks!
0:50
FOX TWO!
He had a good 5 seconds of seeker head lock for fox two prior to the 0:50 MICA launch and prior he had at least three moments of off bore slingshots he could have taken.
2:39 the Rafale breaks off.
I'm amazed at how many times the Rafale locked onto the F-22.
The thing is we don't know how many times the F-22 had a lock on the Rafale! For certain the F-22 would have had Fox Three before this turned into a dogfight. I really wonder though if F-22 even got Fox Two looking at those merges and AOA. Rafale was in a much better position numerous times during that engagement and was the superior pilot.
INCREDIBLE!
SALUTE Armée de l'Air!
There were no missiles on the Rafale and was flying clean that's why it had to run because it was running out of fuel.... How can you lock when you have no missiles?
David Burke What are you saying ? Rafale are often carrying captive missile with active seeker head but inert body.
EC 5/25 Corsair No, Rafale would no be flying clean and this is not accurate in a real dog fight scenario.
David Burke
You think they run exercises like this to measure performance matrices yet they do not mount dummy missile et al?
If they are simulating a MICA IR launch then without question they have a dummy MICA IR with a working seaker head on the wing rails.
The question is are the drop tanks still attached? I think not.
LudicFallacies I'm sure they don't to maximize the Rafale's turn capability. I am also sure that if they where to put dummy missiles on they would not weigh as much as the real thing, especially when you want to catch a Raptor.
Much respect to the Rafale. While I would be surprised if it could consistently take down a Raptor, the Rafale is still one of the best fighters out there.
"the Rafale is still one of the best fighters out there" So say the French.
Dog fighters. But if it were about being an air superiority fighter with attack abilities? that'd be a completely different story. We're just isolating our focus to the subject measured. (It's like the anthropic principle in physics. lol)
@@trumanhw This is wrong, the Rafale has not been created for dogfights, it's just a multirole fighter, he also has one of the best Air/Air capabilities... F22 is a 5th gen fighter, Rafale is maybe the only one "4+" gen and maybe today he is a 5th gen because they keep updating it since a few year.
But what I can tell you is, there are no "invisible fighters" in the US army, the rafale can detect all of them, it's just marketing...
The rafale also has stealth capabilities.
jack tom the Rafale can barely keep lock in visual range lol. Rafale detecting f-22 in BVR is almost not possible
@@michaelrunnels7660 My mommy says I'm smart.
Training like this is done all the time. Its important for them to be pitted against hard adversaries. Teaches critical skills. Even training missions are not always designed to be even matched. We've had numerous visitors here at Langley to train/fight with/against the F-22's. Its great training for both air forces!
I’m not at all surprised by this since both the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon were designed from the outset with minimum turn radius as one of the primary goals. That said, dogfighting in modern air combat is essentially the same thing as bayonet training in the army and effectively boils down to individual pilot abilities. Whoever can pull more G’s for longer, wins.
that's very innacurate
So an F-16 can sustain 9G. Will it win.?
@265justy Your head is stuck in the world of video games. Anything about 5G wears pilots down quickly, I know in your video game only 9G sounds like a lot.
Your wrong. In this specific scenario, the f22 was on a defensive role.
Keep crying child. today you can see trench warfare even with abrams challengers and leopards, himars ele.warfare drones, etc.. and this is not future of air combat but reallity today when 2 equals are fighting..
With 5th gen you can fight against 3rd world countries arica middle east south america...
Try thisnwith eu russia china and you will come to basic dogfights..
is more agile then the F-18 and obviously a worthy adversary to the F-22.
On another note, This pilot was pulling serious Gs!!
Mos intense 3 min that I had.
After the merge when he screams under 7G and 8G, I was like "go go go You can do this!"
These guys are superhumans, my neck is hurting just watching this lol
I'm American and even I wouldn't have been surprise if the Rafale locked the Raptor for a little bit. The F-22 is not invisible at close range but merely incognito and I'm not surprised that Rafale was able to FOX 2 the Raptor at least once. Hats off to the French!
Ofc f22 is a stealth fighter because close range will see you very easily
I don't know what I'm looking at. Requesting Mover to come break down this video, over.
i see, we all come from mover
Hell yeah
Mover must review this ASAP!!!
Mover won't ever feature something negative about the f22 i think
Dude yes! I was going to leave a comment on his channel so he could do a video about it!
I almost passed out just watching it.
I'm almost even more impressed by the many fighter pilots in the comments.
Thank you for your service guys!
Excellent flying. Looks like his decision to gain altitude and come back down on the 22 paid off big.
Happy that we're allies 🤙
Lost and Found - The Face of America Abroad hi yo yo maneuver... it works against any aircraft, but its decision to make in split second
It did not. This is a gunfight and he never gets a solution. The Raptor is literally flying circles around him. The reason he suddenly breaks off the engagement in the middle of an aggressive turn and starts communicating with the ground, is because he just got killed. He did, by any standard, put up a valiant fight.
He killed the F22 with gun shot and as said the Raphael is an excellent fighter in the dogfight situation. The key is never to get this close but in heated reality this situation can happen. Small numbers of fighters could get boxed in and have to fight like this the dogfight isn’t over yet snd that’s why training like this continues today ragardless of what is frequently published online.
@@springbloom5940 You gotta be fucking blind, this Rafale is prettymuch on the F-22's 6 o'clock prettymuch all the time, he even calls fox 2 around 0:51 (which is an IR-guided missile).
Also at 2:30 what is that if not a target solution??? It is not only just a solution but the killshot that ended the dogfight.
Next time you start talking shit try to make sure that you dont make yourself look like a dumbass.
@@zameliz
You have zero clue WTF you are talking about. Of course you could actually lookup this engagement and find out the info for yourself.
Note how the video begins, in the middle of a high G turn.
This is because its edited to exclude the initial position, where the Rafale is given advantage underneath and behind. From the go, he is chasing the Raptor. The video is over three minutes; the Raptor is visible for appx 18 sec total and *never* from behind. This is not by any stretch of the imagination, 'on his six oclock'(dont use words you dont understand, just because you think they sound cool). He does not declare FOX2, he complains "fuck... fox2", because his *opinion* is that he could've used a missile. He is however, wrong, because he was too close and in a hard turn; a missile would not have been able to make the turn at such close range. While too close for missiles, he was still out of gun range, so he had nothing there. Note that all but one time, the raptor appears from *behind* the turn. This is because the Raptor is out-turning him. He *never* at *any* point, gets a shot. The little box is not a 'lock', which you would know, if your knowledge reached beyond TV and poorly designed video games. That green line trailing the reticle(the box), is the ballistic solution, aka the bullet trajectory. Thats ehere the bullets go and to get a hit, that line must fit at least half of it inside the reticle, for at least 2 sec.
No, no, no, you must be legitimately retarded if you think thats what ended the engagement. He was desperately trying to get a firing solution as the Raptor performed a hammerhead, turned 180° and came right back at him. It was after the Raptor got behind him, that he broke off the engagement, suddenly, right in the middle of a maneuver... because he..
got... smoked.
This is three dimensional space, junior.
He started at 500 knots and was all the way down to 80kts. He did manage a Fox 2 snapshot that may or may not have tracked, but the authority in the slow speed regime was impressive.
Anddddd everybody's a tactical master warrior on this comment section.. 🤣
Is that even a surprise anymore?
My HUD kept pinging me “RELEASE KEYBOARD”
True..shit I read alot of useless comments..my head hurt. 🤕
I really don't care who won or lost, its an exercise, things are conducted in a controlled manner (maybe not decided, but managed)..
The fact that these two pilots managed not to crash into each other is itself a testimony to their skills.. 😊🤙
I would have performed an inverted Split S, negative G, with a reverse Immelmann, at the end of the Loop.
Or,
Extended my variable geometrical wings, and slow down, and he would have flown right past me, then watch out for his jet wash, so I don't stall out, and have to bail.
Dayum, I can't believe he got the Raptor in his crosshairs. The Rafale is no joke! 🤯
Right? Those are some damn fine combat jets. France should be very proud of the work it's done with those. They're ridiculously powerful fighters.
The body pressure must've been so painful.
The Raphael is nothing to scoff at...that is a very DEADLY platform. The F22 program has never claimed the aircraft to be invincible. You win some, you lose some...the F22 was made to lose less than any other aircraft. Well done to the Frenchie!!!
Actually it is called Rafale not Rafael...
RAFALE !! RESPECT SVP !!
RA-FA-L --> 'A' as in 'ARM'. Also the 'E' at the end is silent. It means 'Burst of fire' in the military shooting sense and 'Gust' of wind in the meteorological sense.
@tfs2O3 who care
RAFALE. RAFALE GOD DAMMIT
In the end,the fighters no matter how advanced they are until true AI becomes reality are just merely tools.
The real weapons are the pilots.
True. Jet fighters can take a lot of force, the only limiting factor in combat is the pilot's ability to take g-forces.
Imagine when there are jet fighters without pilot's, those things would be able to move like never before.
Man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself.
@@aravindhks3785 For now ...
@@aravindhks3785 For now, wait till you find AI piloted fighters turning at 30Gs. When that happens, the only limiting factor to how fast aircraft can go is material strength.
Yeah I give it like a hundred years or maybe they somehow come up with technology to minimize the gs the pilots feel in the cockpit first
One of the best videos I have ever seen depicting the desperate forces at work in A2A. Wow, I felt my own breath going away with each panting breath.
00:31
Tries to stuff his eyeball back in.
The F-22 pilot was probably afraid that the airframe would crack.
+gerry7man555 best comment ever
Its just that the rafale has much better sustain turn.
+f50koenigg
F-22 driver gave up and went into the vertical after he made the frenchies work for it. props to them they hung in there and fought for it all the way. it was good all in good fun. i think in a realistic engagement, meaning no controlled merges, it would be over for the rafale before anything gets into a slow turning show.
what does that even mean...…… why would it crack?
@@patriotsfan1236 bcz rafale can and was built to handle more G's and it's better in sustained turn!
so rafale can catch the f22 raptor its amazing so am happy for india they choosed rafale instead su35
I mean, we already have like 30-35 squadrons of Su-30Mk1. We needed air superiority in a different generation. Plus, we might just get them shiny Raptors some day or the other for a specific unit.
@@dhruv1019 lmao India isn't going to buy 5th gen at all , they're pouring money on the amca
@@breastmilkgaming that doesn't change the fact that we're capable of purchasing more 5th gen. The AMCA has been in talks for years now. Every country's got a plan for indie 6th gen r&d . What's your point?
@@dhruv1019 IAF strictly wants a 5th gen indigenous fighter , amca prototypes will be out by 2026 &
only USA/UK are working on 6th gen afaik because they've that money and tech. "EvERy CouNtrY" hahaha lol finish your 10 th first kid
lmao you used "as a fact" as if you were correct dunbass, IAF won't be buying su57/f35s www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=zeenews.india.com/india/iaf-not-looking-at-foreign-5th-generation-stealth-jets-or-36-more-rafales-to-go-for-indigenous-advanced-medium-combat-aircraft-2238449.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwih2J6GiafqAhVTfSsKHSovDjQQFjABegQIDBAI&usg=AOvVaw31QQ344dnkKByoC2ZZntvE&cf=1
that's why they say half knowledge is dangerous
@@breastmilkgaming instead of using premature insults to save your crippling insecurities , re-read what I commented.
I said "capable of purchasing" not going to purchase i.e. IN TALKS. Just like the amca program has been re-scheduled like 5 times since it was initiated in 2008. And you must obviously know the Tejas project was delayed by 20 years, right? Wtf do you think the ministry did erstwhile? Kept duct taping ancient Mig-21s? No, purchased sukhois and recently, to create a special squadron, Rafale. It's called having a backup plan, an idea you'd be able to even consider, if you were an adult (apparently not).
Mann!! this video changed my whole views / scenarios of dog fight. Thanks man 🙌🏾🙂 u can feel the adrenaline rush in vid damnnn
since this victory the Rafales are no longer invited to the red flag.
idk. modern air combat is not ww2. you fire your missiles at long range. this is only a test whether the modern jet can shake off a bogey from 6 close range which would be low probability since you dont engage in close fighting if youre american
@@darugdawg2453 Yuh, as i just explained to someone above somewhere... This is like comparing an Israeli Uzi to a 416 Cheytech Intervention. The Rafale is VERY agile and can manouver at very slow speeds without stalling, but in that, the jet is fairly slow itself... pushing Mach 1.8 max. The F-22 is not a dog fighter, its an Interdiction fighter. They knew exactly what you stated back when they made this and even before back during Korea/Vietnam. They even made jets at that time with JUST missiles because the tech was just so good at the time that they didnt think they would even need to dogfight. Though, those situations do come up when you are low and slow doing patrols or attacking ground targets.
The F-22 was designed at absolute max range engagements. Their speed is nearing a blackbird, classified but theoretical max is somewhere around Mach 2.5-2.8. With its AIMS and AMRAMs and extremely advanced targeting systems, it has a combat range of (now more than) over 500 miles. Thats from Kansas City, MO to right near Denver, CO. Hundreds of miles outside of visual range. Having to rely on radar vs a stealth aircraft that can give you the bad touch from 500+ miles away is a big gigantic nope. Your only options are to go into strong defensive actions as soon as you hear the AMRAMs locking you, flee before that happens... or splash down. In a real world combat situation anyway.
In a situation like we just watched, we can see that the Rafale is very agile and an extremely good dogfighter, match that with an amazing pilot and you have a splashed F-22. But this situation would never happen.
@@darugdawg2453 Yuh, as i just explained to someone above somewhere... This is like comparing an Israeli Uzi to a 416 Cheytech Intervention. The Rafale is VERY agile and can manouver at very slow speeds without stalling, but in that, the jet is fairly slow itself... pushing Mach 1.8 max. The F-22 is not a dog fighter, its an Interdiction fighter. They knew exactly what you stated back when they made this and even before back during Korea/Vietnam. They even made jets at that time with JUST missiles because the tech was just so good at the time that they didnt think they would even need to dogfight. Though, those situations do come up when you are low and slow doing patrols or attacking ground targets.
The F-22 was designed at absolute max range engagements. Their speed is nearing a blackbird, classified but theoretical max is somewhere around Mach 2.5-2.8. With its AIMS and AMRAMs and extremely advanced targeting systems, it has a combat range of (now more than) over 500 miles. Thats from Kansas City, MO to right near Denver, CO. Hundreds of miles outside of visual range. Having to rely on radar vs a stealth aircraft that can give you the bad touch from 500+ miles away is a big gigantic nope. Your only options are to go into strong defensive actions as soon as you hear the AMRAMs locking you, flee before that happens... or splash down. In a real world combat situation anyway.
In a situation like we just watched, we can see that the Rafale is very agile and an extremely good dogfighter, match that with an amazing pilot and you have a splashed F-22. But this situation would never happen.
It's not the gun, its the man behind the gun....True Aviator knows his craft by heart and will always drag the opponent to his own favorable conditions....Dog fight really comes down to nerves and finger tips.....Beautiful
I can only imagine how proud these countries would be.
To not just make their own aircraft, but all the tech from radars to cannon bullets that goes inside 1.
Many good wishes to France and US.
Many good wishes to you as well. If only we didn't need these machines lol but nonetheless they're amazing
"Wah wah Thrust Vectoring."
"Wah wah it'd kill you before you saw it."
If the F-22's so superior, can we give the Rafale props to the fact they beat the supposed best Air Superiority Fighter there is currently? Former F-14 Pilot of nearly a decades here and that Rafale pilot is definitely a skilled one I will say that much.
No honor in BVR shots. Rafale wins
Both of these aircraft are incredible pieces of machinery. I can't say I know if their other technology is evenly matched, but they're DEFINITELY evenly matched in pilots and maneuverability. Good job on the AdA for winning this fight - speaks to their equipment and pilots both.
If a Rafale is on your 6 your ducked usually lol, but the F-22 is designed to nit have to dogfight, and should destroy the enemy from far away. The F-22 is capable in a Digfight, but almost nothing touches a Rafale
@@thefightingswallow7613 Sounds about right. They're both supermaneuverable, though, aren't they? How much can we know about their relative performance without actual flight data figures?
@@fim-43redeye31 We don't know they're true figures, but because if design we can make a solid assumption. The Rafale, having Delta wing configuration, will be more maneuverable because it has better AoA, however it can't win in a rate fight because the Delta wing burns energy like a mf. The Raptor is very maneuverable, but it just can't stand up to the Rafale in this situation. Maybe, if the Rafale pilot wasn't thinking straight, the Raptor would win
If boh were on the deck rate fighting the raptor would probably ein because it has better energy. The Rafale, at altitude, can dump it's nose and make up energy by using altitude.
@@thefightingswallow7613 Makes sense. I guess a Rafale can just turn if it's going fast enough and put its nose on pretty much anything, that makes life easy- thanks for the explanation
The mental fortitude and stamina required to pilot these aircraft in a full combat situations is incredible!
The rafale pilot is really skillful locking a fighter like f22 which got thrust verctoring is a big deal I must say.
Rafale is twice lighter, so it has a better maneuverability at low speed and can more easily stay behind an enemy. It’s not bad for the rafale since it’s considered as a multirole aircraft
So, for anyone who's actually curious about what happened here.
6 F-22's from the USAF flew to the UAE to do a joint training exercise with French Rafale's, Royal Air Force Typhoons, and UAE Rafale's.
In total, the F-22's went up against Rafales in 12 enagements.6 resulted in F-22 victories, 5 in draws, and 1 in a Rafale victory.
The Rafale victory was achieved by a UAE pilot, but the French ministry of defense released the footage seen here to tout the prowess of their Rafale fighters, without mentioning the losses their aircraft racked up..
Un pilote émirati ?😂 ...
Il y a eu 6 engagements contre le RAFALE , 5 gagné par le rafale , et le pilote était fr as français 😂
A French pilot in a rafale and nothing can resist us!
The rafale can't beat the raptor,but man,respect for this pilot for tracking the aircraft like that,the pilots got some sick skills
Salute from pakistan
it's not only tracked ( for at least 3 seconds ) , with real bullets on that F22 was a splash down 110%
Even with surface ceiling and speed superiority, F22 lost. Never underestimate the power of France 🇫🇷 Lots and lots of love from India 🇮🇳
O reeeaally ?
@KingDC u are insane ...no...actually u are a non sense...😂😂...dumbass go checkout the data first....don't know where u fools come from..😂😂..who know nothing but get fucked with their dumb knowledge everywhere.....rafale is 4.5 gen aircraft. ...and f 22 is not 5th gen.....
apart from that there are many more things taken into account while comaparing aircrafts...which u dumbass will not get..😂
@samyajyoti de surrender like cowards haha
That s why lots of countries prefer to buy rafale (India, Croatia, Egypt, Greece,... )
That pilot most be pulling hell of Gs . We could literally listen him breathing to avoid knocking off
@Ali Mohsin how there will be difference in stress for G force ? Whatever may be the machine forces applied for a speed and direction have to be same no ?
@@saurabhsawant6487 -- Seat angle and position. Although you'll be pulling the same G-forces, you can experience them differently. The F-16 notably changed the standard seat-back angle from 13 degrees to 30 degrees for comfort/g-tolerances.
Think of driving up a steep grade and a shallow grade hill. Shallow grade it's easier to keep your speed up and less taxing on the engine.
How this translates to seat angles -- the big thing you're trying to do is keep blood flowing to your head. If you're sitting straight up and you have forces pushing straight down, and blood's being pushed straight up, the forces have to directly counteract each other. But, if the blood's being pushed up at an angle, and the forces are still pushing straight down, there's less force needed to keep it going up. Your heart (the engine in this metaphor) doesn't need to push out as much force to keep going up that hill.
@@gnomish844 I thought g suites are for keeping the blood flow pushed up. Thanks for information. Not sure if I followed all of it , will need more understanding and reading from my side. Cheers.
@@saurabhsawant6487 -- G suits do help, too, but only so much. But they operate on the same idea -- keep blood to the brain. Everything you do to keep that happening allows you to pull more G's.
Think of it this way, if you had 2 feet of tubing, would it be easier to get the water to the end if you were pushing it straight up, or if it was flat? Flat, right, since you're not working against gravity? Everything in between that 0 (flat) and 90 degrees (straight up) will get progressively more difficult, but will be *most* difficult at 90 degrees.
@@gnomish844 so I am guessing the seat changes angles as angle of attack and speed of the plane changes while positive or negative Gs?
Dessault build some potent jets. We won in '67 decimating 3 opposing airforces using French Mirrage as multirole & Vautour bombers. The French have some good kit.
trespire the f22 kill zone is above 60K feet where it can out run out maneuver any attacking warplanes . The F22 wouldn't be used like a F-15 or F-16 in war time that is where everyone keeps getting it wrong .
the French pilots are really good, it is true that the Rafale is an incredible combat aircraft.
This exercise was a dogfight only using air to air and gun.
What is relevant, is that the F-22 is just and air to air superiority combat fighter and the Rafale C F3 is a multirole aircraft not designed specifically for air superiority.
The surprise was that the F-22 could not get the Rafale out of its tail and was finally shot down both by gun and targeted missile.
Unfairly, an USAF officer said that the F-22 was carrying its fuel tanks and that reduced its maneuver capability: that's why this video was "leaked".
+1
tu sais pas de quoi tu parles,
czcams.com/video/d88YbOAYM-g/video.html
le rafale est le plus complet au monde mais mange rivalise aussi en chasse pur avec le f22
@@user-nf7lg8zb5k
Le SU-35 est redoutable en dogfight
While the euro fighter and Rafale are designated multi role air craft this really comes down to the fact that smaller nations do not have the budget to have an ASF and a work horse/ multi role plane. So their ASF has to do the multi role work as well, not to mention that the F-22 can do strike missions as well so it isn't limited to just air superiority. I have read that planes like the Euro fighter Typhoon and Rafale are 50/50 in close combat against the F-22, where the F-22 is suppose to shine is in BVR combat though there are methods and tactics to defeat its stealth advantage.
the standard F22 NEVER use external tank, so this is all lies...
Damnit.... now I wanna play Ace Combat!
Play dcs
Play both
Fuck simulators and fuck tryhards
Just play ace combat and have fun
You might even try hawk aswell
I mean if u want arcade, go for ace combat. If you want simulation, go for DCS. There's no better one, just follow your love.
It is easy to play on ps4 but hard to fly in real life you have an enemy at your target and due to g force you sare passing out to have to controll both
So.... Everyone in the comment section arguing which is the better machine.
Though the fact that machines are just machines but its capability only matters who's its "PILOT".
Firstname CANCEL Lastname DONE there are lots of systems and classified targeted systems that will lock without the pilots input
Ok goddamit you need to have the right pilot with the right machine it's not just the pilot or machine right pilot with right machine not just one
This engagement is unlikely to occur in reality. The F-22 pilot will see the Rafale on radar long before the Rafale sees him. I'm sure this was an engagement to test the maneuverability of each aircraft.
@@Jaden48108 Got a point there.
the rafale is ONE best of the world with the F22 , RAFALE WITH F22 the dream team !!! it's why the allied work together , and this file has showed when the french and US technologies work together it's very fearsome , and the USAF recognised the RAFALE is a GOOD stealth jet .
Well the Rafale has very minimal stealth capabilities so I wouldn’t say that’s what it’s good at. It’s clearly a good dog fighter though and that f-22 pilot got “out-piloted” on this one. F-22 is still probably the superior machine but I’d put the rafale up there with the su-35s and the typhoon as being a half step back but still being a fantastic fighter jet.
@@CH-px5vt another american expert pilot.. f-22 superior blah blah blah..
@@kunaljain3196 another hater with a country who cant create either one of these machines without outside help. Keep up the strategy of blowing yourselves up with home made pipe bombs. You just make it to easy
@@Cleans.Your.Faah. we dnt make ied's and pipe bomb we made brahmos.. idiot.. oh how will u know except a few rest of u just eat hamburgers and break your chairs
@@kunaljain3196 you understand that. This was training exercise right? Part of the exercise you have plane on your tail and you try to lose the tail. They have many senarios, where one plays the aggressor/defender. According to sources at the exercise rafael was shot down 6 times, while f22 was shot 1 time and 5 other times it was a draw. US don't need f22 for dogfight, it has f15ex, which is 50 year old plane still better than rafael and f22in most categories. Even f16 scored kill on f22 on close combat. Raptor is king of bvr combat. F15 been proved with over 100 combat kills and 0 loss. F15ex can carry over two dozen air to air missiles. So if new rafael struggles vs 50 year old f15. Then why would f22 cost twice as f15ex and perform less, carry less missiles, higher maintenance, etc. Rafael or f15ex would be shot down 100 miles before it find there is f22 flying. If you take out stealth then all are pretty close to performance. Most of you guys are fan boys, i love all jets as engineering feat. Best Jet at moment is f22 for 5th generation. For 4th generation su-35, rafael, and f15ex. Probably will have f15ex over rafael.
holy shit, the man struggling to breathe hit me so much. What a thrill. It reminds us that winning comes at a cost
Happy that Greece have France as an ally and true friend 🇬🇷🇫🇷
For the F-22 this was the equivalent of giving someone a sniper rifle and making them fight someone with a shotgun in a house
call of duty player huh ? : )
Sure, the F-22A was designed more for BVR combat (what most modern air combat will likely be). However, it was still designed to do tight maneuvers and close range dogfighting as well. The F-22 in this video was more than likely equipped simulated flares, simulated gun rounds, and simulated Aim-9's (Infrared-Aspect Close Range Missiles). It's not like the F-22 was defenseless. As much as I love both the F-22 and the USAF, the French won this round fair and square.
Rafale got onto the raptors six, then it was pretty much over
Wether it’s a simulation or real world, never let a French plane get on your six.
Divine Fish yeah for sure!! Good call on that
The Mig31 can take out a F22 from hundreds of miles away and the mig31 is from the 1960s
Looks and sounds like Darth Vader's nostril holes in his mask.
Cephas Prashanth ever experience hard Gs?
This happened 6 years ago and the raptor fanboys are still in denial😂😂
And that was the rafale f2. Now we have f3r ; f4 planing for 2025.
@@gringologie9302 We Indians are going to get f3 soon.....Thank You France for this deadly weapon....Merci
No, kids who think 1 dogfighting exercise result means anything serious about the plane are in denial.
@@Youda00008 Cry a little louder😂😂
@@VV-xg5ci If you knew anything you would know that F22 has signature pods aka RCS pods on it for Nato training purposes. It increases its RCS. Reality! Denial is any clown thinking the Rafale will get a hud cue on a F22 without a RCS pod. Educate yourselves. All you armchair fighter pilots are hilarious!
For 1 it's not really a dogfight, they are put in a specific situation, and it's all about training for the French pilot. He's supposed to be chasing the F22. The F22 is literally just trying to evade, not engage
I guess most people know that
@@RaveSharrma Have you read the comments?
@@docducttape9270 those who know doesnt comment 😁
JJbullfrog1978 I suppose the F22 failed evading in a miserable way, maybe it was a training to train the F22 pilots how to evade.
Bullshit, stop trying to change reality by mentioning something that you cannot provide evidence for!
Wow I thought the f22 can't b seen by radar, and this French pilot knew all the time where the f22 was
I'm pretty sure we are referring to ground radar systems you don't understand how the whole signal thing works do you?
therant311 nope, jet fighters also have radars and the f22 vids say that other aircraft radar's can't see the f22
Fox hound my friend the f22 supposed to rule the sky, invincible, maneuverability is like no other, can't b seen etc blah blah blah
Carlos Santos Thats obviously not possible at this moment anyone with a brain would know that he is being cocky.
therant311 Fox hound Carlos Santos I had the privilege to visit Dassault production lines. The rafale can litteraly sense hot air flows in the air, so the pilot can follow the other aircraft. Besides, the rafale have a powerful Thales radar in the nose, that can, at medium range, detect aircrafts like the F-22.
Glad to help ;)
Those vectoring thrusters were killing that man, lol.
Rafale dont have vectoring
Thibault Papin no shit I’m talking about the F-22.
Rafale Canards helped a lot...
Out of 112 air to air combats. 80% did not detect the missle destroying it. This was from a study in the 1980's. Close combat in air to air scenarios are very rare. No more Top Gun guys. While this is fun for pilots its not reality anymore.
The comments on F22 stealth 😂 ..stealth is designed to work on the outer edges of the enemy's radar with maximum stealth with the f22 nose pointed toward the radar for max radar cross section.Allowing the f22 to get the first shot!
Stealth does not work on dog fights and any radar can detect an f22 at close range.
@@beastman1927 Number of European countries ordered F-35's
@@beastman1927 I thought the US just wasn't selling the F-35. Countries often do that with their most modern equipment
It's really cool. Respect from Russia
Of 10 or 11 engagements, the Rafale only won 1 fight.
The F22 is also not allowed to use active stealth as it is still confidential. Doing so would risk allowing enemies to use deductive reasoning to gather critical information.
The F22 is also equipped with a radar buoy to counter its own passive stealth as, contrary to popular belief, it does have excellent rear aspect stealth.
The exhaust is also mitigated somewhat from Fox 2/ heat seekers.
These particular training exercises were WVR only, testing BFM maneuvers. The F22 has never lost a recorded battle against any allied fighter in BVR for obvious reasons, even with similar handicaps (correct me if I'm wrong).
THAT BEING SAID:
French pilots are absolute beasts. Easily among the best in the world.
The French Rafale is an EXCELLENT aircraft. It's delta wing affords it excellent maneuverability. It also has very good modern avionics.
We do not know the full specs of either plane, as it is all guarded and confidential for obvious reasons. Only the pilots and their respective militaries will know.
We do not even know the full capabilities of their missiles in regards to speed, range, etc. Same reasons as above.
I am fairly certain both planes flew with mock armaments to fully simulate a true loadout. It would be in their best interest to do so, being that it is a training exercise and the alternative would not make much sense/ benefit.
All of this information I've gathered from various commentators who were/are pilots, engineers, etc. Sources including but not limited to various aviation magazines, journals, documentaries, and some videos here on CZcams from people such as Mover, & Ate.
Information may have changed or have been updated, so i welcome you all to fact check my words.
Lastly, remember that we are ALLIES. If shit hits the fan, you'd want your friends to have your back with the best skills, tactics, and weapons as possible. Hoping your friends have inferior weapons than you in the face of a dangerous foe is like throwing them under a bus just so you can take the ass beating alone. Don't be that guy. Keep it civil.
God bless America and her Allies.
stfu rafale rules f22 got smackeddddd
You look chinese though
Agree. My country does operate the rafale and even I dream of operating those beasts in coming 4 years but the f22 is surely daddy of all the fighter jets
Not true at all, I personally know pilots who participated to this training, Frenchies won 90% of combats. Rafale wasn't at 100% neither, I can't talk about classified information here. But this dog fights were the main reason why US stopped producing this f22, because US senat discovered all the lies
Le RAFALE à battu le F22 5 fois sur 6 , tu dois confondre avec le combat contre leurofigter ?
SEE ALL PAKISTANIS 🤣🤣🤣🤣💯
If MiG 21 KILLED F16....🤣🤣💯
What will HaPPeN WiTh RAFALE 🤩💯💯
@Fakher e Alam Unlike Army rule, India is a democracy, one can't hide death of fighter pilot.
But on that Dog fight day, Pakistani officials including puppet Imaran changed count of pilots captured or dead twice.
On the contrary, Indian Airforce neither chnaged their numbers nor their statement.
@Fakher e Alam
And looking back at the history of Pakistan i.e. denying presence of Osama-bin-laden, not recognizing Bangladesh genocide, not claiming bodies of their fallen soldiers in Kargil, one can judge the morals of this military state which holds world record of largest troop surrender.
Listen to that French pilot, taking his body to the edge, what a beautiful display of skill.
Like I always say: pilots should wear gopros more often. It’s amazing to see the world’s top gun engage eachother, even if it’s just a simulation
It's a good thing we have these training exercises to correct our pilot's errors and make sure they come out victorious in a real fight
This is no movie, it is real. The better trained pilot (and his total dedication during the engagement) won because he wanted to beat his opponent. It's not the plane, but the pilot...
A prime law since the First World War...
That was incredible, if you know what your looking at you can follow as he changes acquisition modes and attempts to lock back up for the radar gun sight.
In my opinion they are both equally amazing aircraft and i find this dogfight like a boxing match between two of the worlds greatest fighters. While both have there advantages and disadvantages its still anyone's game, just because the rafale was able to beat the raptor in this simulation does not make it a better fighter just a plane, under the right pilot, that can get the job done in this scenario, but that doesn't mean the 22 couldn't win if they had a rematch.
amazing but not equal. The F-22 is at another class.
this was only one round out of several. there were ties and even wins for the f-22..the jury is out on this one.
In dogfight yes the rafale will have the best ratio bcz of better aérodynamic,better turn and more agile in this type of scenario
@@malefeetmalefeet105 Actually, no. This was from a series of training engagements conducted in the UAE between UAE Rafales, French Rafales, British Typhoons and USAF Raptors. Of the 12 F-22 vs Rafale engagments, 6 resulted in F-22 victories, 5 in draws, and 1 in a Rafale victory. Despite that, the French ministry of defense released this gun camera footage to tout the capabilities of their jets without mentioning that A, it was a UAE pilot that achieved this victory, and B, that it won one, but lost six.
@@USN1985dos no my friend! The report says it was a draw with rafale and f22 winning and loosing equaly. The question is not there, but in the fact that the f22 is supposed to not be threatned in such situation and avoid it easly! But in reality poeple realize that a rafale or typhoon can take down an arplain supposed to be more powerfull and manoevrable, and what it would be if it has to face a stronger opponent such as a su35???
The French RAFALE fighter is the most versatile in the world and has won every competition for over ten years against the F35, F-15, F-16, Mig-35, Gripen, Eurofighter and SU-35.
In Basic Fighter Maneuvers, both sides agree to several different set-ups throughout the sortie. These include neutral merges from the front at the same altitude with lateral separation so they don't have a mid-air collision, butterfly, line abreast, altitude separation with frontal quadrant merges, and rear perch for defensive training by the guy below and and in front.
We don't know which one of those BFM set-ups is from, but with every type of fighter the Raptor units have done this against, they have always been very dominant against any contenders. A less experienced but solid Raptor pilot has some real advantages against a more experienced pilot in a Rafale or Typhoon to an extent in BFM, because of the Raptor's nose authority and excess thrust. Normally, the Rafale and Typhoon pilots will have their aircraft stripped down of any external stores or suspension equipment that is essential for combat so that they can get their thrust-to-weight ratio comparable to the F-22's, but they still will always lack the nose authority of the Raptor and its thrust vectoring ability to crank on them when they thought they were dominant.
In reality, they will never see it coming in a true air campaign, and are extremely happy to be allied with the US, rather than having to face this as enemies.
americans fold to anything that isnt absolute stone age tier, your cold war tech isnt doing shit to actual modern equipment
Fragile ego detected...
@@SteveIsHavingMC Let's look at US aircraft K/D ratios compared to adversaries lmao
ALright everybody pay attention. This is how you pronounce 'RAFALE':
RA-FALE --> 2 syllable word --> 'A' is prounnouced 'AH' as in 'ARM'. The 'E' at the end is silent. RAFALE means 'Burst of fire' in the military shooting sense and 'Gust' of wind in the meteorological sense.
the intensity of G-force.. it needs a good stamina and full consentration. especially in real combat, when your life at stake
5th Gen. air superiority fighter aicraft F-22 locked by 4.5 Gen. Multirole Aircraft Rafael.. WOW.......
It's close range, stealth is only far range.
@@eggnugget575 Not to mention fighter jet maneuverability more or less maxed out (at least for piloted aircraft) in Gen 4.
I wonder if the software uses a combination of Big data , Machine learning and AI for predictive analytics to identify patterns of jet movement or may be, I am just shooting from the hip. Kudos to these pilots for the G forces they have to endure while manoeuvring the jets. Rafale being 2/3rd of F22 is super agile as expected but if it's BVR, Rafale will chasing a ghost while F22 will see Rafale as clear as daylight.
Pilot even stammered saying fox 2. Couldn’t believe he got a shot at the raptor
i expected more from a U$350 million aircraft.
Now i believe Russia indeed had radar that could detect stealth, even Rafale could lock on F-22 at that distance
crumcon it could lock on because the rafale has infra red detectors that picked up the engine gases on the raptor, just fit ir detectors and your 350 million worth of stealth is useless. Lol
Some people here just don't want to admit the french jet was better than the US one, it's too much of a hit for their ego
No it's becouse the f-22 didt have a good pilot like the Rafael you need both a good pilot and good aircraft
@@viruspter1dactl patriots right there lmao
That f22 pilot is just chilling doing some loops and barrel-rolls
Les g qu'il encaisse c'est violent!! Il est en souffrance mais il arrive quand même à piloter avec autant de précision respect
des athlètes les gars !! jserais mort 46 fois en faisant ca hahaha
If not before, but 2:34 was game over for F-22. In real fight, F22 will be killed multiple times from Rafale. Rafale with Mica, Meteor, gun 30 mm, AESA radar 360°, IRA and S.P.E.C.T.R.A is too strong for F-22.
+Joe Serpa Wrong. In real life, the Raptor would have used Radar guided missiles at a range that the Rafale would not be able to detect the F22 at. Clean kill, no engagement. No fighter can defeat the F22 when it is used properly as designed. Unfortunately, you cant simulate this scenario since simulation relies on close range optics, so only real combat will display the F22 as it was meant to be. Ill bet one F22 can take 4-6 Rafales no problem in real combat.
wslx0195 Are you stupid? Check video clip. What you see? Rafale rape F22. Rafale killed F22 without SPECTRA. with SPECTRA it will kill it multiple times. F22 is mostly advertisning. Every 1h26min of flight, F22 have major error, so it don't stand a chance against Rafale.
+Joe Serpa did you even read what I said? You can't simulate stealth engagement, it's difficult to track a kill.
wslx0195 SPECTRA doing excactly that.
+Joe Serpa No. lol you don't know what you're saying. 8 old US stealth bombers flew into thousands of AA fire unscathed. B2 bombers flew over USSR during Cold War undetected. F22 would shoot down Rafale (although we would never fight eachother) unnoticed. It's the reason why everyone is copying stealth now.
thats why greece chose rafales, sexy and deadly! 🇬🇷 🇫🇷
I'm a huge fan of the F-22 but man he had him dead @ 2:34
You can't say that
He was lokked on for a second and out of sight again
Possibly. Not sure if the pipper was calculating correctly with the plane moving that much. But at that range put the boresight on the enemy and spray.
@@benzz4109 no need to lock 10 minutes with fox 1, they re autonome and loocking for IR signals
@@Ad___Astra a missile take usually 3 seconds to lock onto it's target at such a close range
Doesn't matter if it's IR or not
@@benzz4109 nope because the rafale use the Magic II missile, learn and translate now :
Since Wiki:
- " Le Matra 550 Mk2 Magic 2 est un missile à courte portée, inférieure à 15 km. Il est destiné à être utilisé dans le cadre de combats rapprochés. Il dispose d'un autodirecteur infrarouge et est capable d'attaques tous secteurs : arrière (le missile peut être tiré dans le dos de l'appareil ciblé), en face-à-face et de côté. Son autodirecteur infrarouge permet un guidage infrarouge passif discret et AUTONOME appelé « tire et oublie » (Fire and Forget). "
Once the system has acquired the enemy at short range, the pilot can fire the missile and the missile goes into "pull and forget" mode and becomes totally autonomous. It can therefore pursue its target by passive infrared scanning even at the rear of the pilot because it is equipped with a passive target automatic acquisition system and is able to differentiate the enemy from lures.
Everybody gangsta:
Til patriotic pilot starts pulling 14G's
Which is supposedly impossible to achieve in an 11G limited Rafale flight enveloppe.
@@jetaddicted 13 G most pilot during airshiws climb to 11G and the plane is far to be damage
Man is takin more then my battlefield 4 pilot did his whole 45 second career props to that badass
He's breathing heavily because of the g's
oh thank you , i thought he is suffering cold .
@Bibin Thomas 🤪😁
This proves that, more often than not, that it is the skills of the pilots that decide the outcome of an aerial face-off.
Technology helps, but on even fields, the experience is the true gauge of who is gonna make it out alive.
An Even playing field is not having the rafale start behind the f 22 lol. The pilot is about to have a fucking heart attack cause of the g's he's taking on trying to keep up with the raptor. In a real war scenario dog fights like this wouldnt happen often. The f 22 would have shot it out of the sky miles before the rafale would even notice it
Cleans Your Faah Yeah ur right
Pushing himself and his superb machine to its limits.
He's an absolute ace of a pilot for sure, but he would've never seen the Raptor in a real world event
O desenho do F-22 desvia o sinal do radar do Rafale, o radar do Rafale só consegue travar o míssil quando o F-22 está com os motores virados para o Rafale, quando o F-22 mostra as costas para o Rafale o radar não consegue engaja-lo, por se tratar de um caça porjetado nos anos 80, podemos afirmar que ainda é um caça extremamente avançado !
Sory but you dont know shit about radars and planes
I can feel how hard this is through his breathing
Expectations: **epic jet sounds**
Reality: *”The fitnessgram pacer test...”*
Is that Darth Vader flying??!
No, that's the pilot struggling to keep his blood up within his head by doing some breathing techniques during high-G maneuvers... that alone is already hard to do while maintaining combat situational awareness.
Anthony Baladjay Yup! This is called the hick or hook maneuver. As in trying to say the words “hick” or “hook” while holding your breath and squeezing your stomach/abdomen
I have you now
Top Gun moovie is one thing, real life is another one !
Yes it's Darth Vader and obviously, the force is with him !
Damn this is one intense simulated dogfight.
That had ME breathing hard. I could feel the adrenaline. Amazing.
That breathlessness is scary
Salute to all fighter jets
So the dog fights are not same like those movies. It's breathtaking😯😯😯
Wow 🤯 🙏 If I were there, I would have died from GeForce instead of enemy aircraft . Fighter pilots are awesome , they are most amazing species on this earth .
We're going to receive this master piece tomorrow. And it is beyond imagination for Chinese J20 or Su35. Even it is more agile and sophisticated than French Airforce's Rafael. Jai Hind 🇮🇳😷🙏❤
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made a good choice.