Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas
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- In this September 2014 speech at Apostacon, Seth Andrews explored the tactics that Christianity uses to borrow/steal from secular music, film, literature and pop culture in an attempt to stay relevant.
"You're not making Christianity better, you're making rock and roll worse!"
~ Hank Hill
This is exactly why I’ve always believed the phrase “Christian Rock” to be an oxymoron
@Up Late it's true
Jarrod Hahn that's a quote I use everyone someone pushes Christian rock on me
I do think there is some good music, and some good art in general, that IS made by artists who happen to be Christian though.
Harold, that is the difference. It is liken to a "strong, female character" vs a "strong character that is female". You notice the word directly following strong?
Gathering together is not a religious behavior it is a human behavior. Amen Seth.
This reminds me of when i was a young teenager. I was raised chrisitian until my parents divorced when i was 7. From 7 to 14 I was secular. I was in public schools. Loved science class. Then I was sent to a private christian boarding school for high school. A church leader told our class that AC/DC stood for Anti-Christ/Devil Child. I couldn't contain myself. I burst out laughing and blurted out, "No it doesn't." Everyone turned to look at me. I explained, "It stands for "Alternating Current/Direct Current" Hence the lightning bolt in the middle symbolizing electricity. It is on every amplifier, even the ones we have on that stage behind you.
He changed the subject, but after class, the students went up on stage to check the amplifiers.
Barb Spaulding Did you mention your favourite AC/DC song...............’Highway to hell’
barb, ac dc doesnt stand for Anti-Christ/Devil Child. Yeah so what?? do you use that incident to betray christ? if so, that is sad and not very intelligent. you should reject christ for reasons that are intelligent not foolish. Christianity was not founded on your church leader nor does it absolutely anything to do with ac dc? God exists like it or not.
@Charles Carpenter no, i have no idea why there are lines through your post. Piss poor redaction.
@@thesongtowoody Excuse me, but your ignorant assumption is showing.
@@thesongtowoody what gawed? your god exist in toilet, it's that turd that will never go down.
The last part of this had me floored. I’d never realized it before, but Seth is so right, the Christian church absolutely has claimed ownership over “community”. We do not have community because of the church, we have community because it’s been programmed into our DNA that we need each other to survive and thrive.
Very insightful and eloquently put. Thank you, Seth, for all the work you do!
"we have community because it’s been programmed into our DNA "
World War 1 and World War 2 were literally yesterday. There are unexploded bombs from World War 2 that are still killing people TODAY, if you unwittingly step on them.
Sounds like modern American Christianity is less of a religion and more of a marketing strategy.
George Forsyth When has religion ever been anything else? It's just that American Christians have gotten very good at it. Religion has always been about amassing money or power or both for a few, at the expense of the gullible.
Pat Doyle Sadly, very true.
+Tell Max it concerns the Sandman It's marketing at it's core. Creating a false need and selling you the cure you wouldn't need or want otherwise. Snake Oil LLC.
+Tell Max it concerns the Sandman BING!!.... that was the sound of the nail being hit right on the head
+Tell Max it concerns the Sandman Read:
"One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America"
Sad eye opener... Our politics are a culmination of about 100 years of corporations backing religion. Corporations had a very bad reputation with Christians and the population in general. Until they started funding the Christians.
My mom told me that, if I played D&D, I'd fall prey to demon possession. I couldn't wait to play it. The worst thing that ever happened to me while playing was that I had a great time.
Really? I was bored shitless. I remember seeing a news report of kids dying playing this ultraviolent game on college campi across our fruited plains. So of course, upon moving into the Ohio State Freshman Dormitory, I could not wait. The only action seen of course was the great decision to call Domino's Pizza and place our order. The only danger was that someone actually received a paper cut from their character sheet. This was the last time I played D&D.
Chiafade now When I was on a ship years ago guys used to play D and D. I wasnt interested. Embraced Christ once I got out of Marines. His presence and Holy touch is far greater than these silly games that capture our imaginations. Why seek the living among the dead the angels asked? He, Jesus is risen and gone into Galilee!!!
They were right
The worst thing that ever happened to me was 6 crit 1s in one session. That particular d20 no longer exists in this plane of reality.
That's the demonic possession talking. /s
"We're gonna start a christian rock band and get rich"- eric cartman
"I want to feel you inside me, jesus"🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is a top 10 episode of southpark
Faith plus 1 lmfao
That's my favorite episode
@@kyleshiflet9952 moop for the win
such a great episode
This is incredibly educational for someone like myself from the UK. I have been amazed since accessing CZcams at just how religiously aggravated Americans are and this goes a long way towards explaining why. We just do not have to suffer this level of brain washing here in the UK. I think that Americans have a lot to unpack as they have not been served well by their leaders. Organised religion is a control mechanism.
Never controlled me but they tried and it's in my face 24/7 in 2022 like way too much too the point I will not even talk too you if you mention a messiah.
So are law/courts and public schools...are you giving up on these too???
We are probably entering the country period that the UK went through in the 13-1700's You guys over there were bloody awful to someone who had a different king, let alone faith. So all the troublemakers were unalived or shipped over here, or caught a ride over and started their own thing, rebelled like anygood child and here we are. I wish we could learn from the past, but I noticed that it took yall a while to do it, so I hold a shred of hope. I do not hold my breath.
@rosevan7845 dude that's history. Water under the bridge. We have things here to correct now. Such a knee jerk reactionary response to OP.
@@phillyphlip1925 Give us time, we'll get there. Just cause you had a head start doesn't make you all that and a bag of chips.
I was born and raised Christian, but when I went to college and studied the Bible I realized that it was nothing more than another mythical tale.
I even had that Coca-Cola copy / Jesus T-shirt. 😂😂😂 i was such a ridiculous idiot. I'm glad I'm not that brainwashed zombie anymore.
Much like that other mythical tale you subscribe to now.
jollyrodgering
What myth would that be? I mean I didn't see that he said he was following any other myths.
Whatever mythical tale he thought was more plausible. Like the legends and fables you believe Mull M.
jollyrodgering
Lol.... I don't believe in any fables, fairytales or religious drivel so I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here. I could just make a bunch of random assumptions, or maybe you could elaborate.
In my old Catholic church we celebrated our version of Halloween by having the kids dress up as the Saints. One time a kid dressed up as "Zombie Jesus". We didn't see him in youth group again.
Marshall The Larper someone needs to make that movie 😲
What?! zombie jesus would be cool.
Wasn't that what Gibson did with The Passion of the Christ?
So to them, just Jesus.
Haha! 😂
27:55 - We don’t need to mock religion - it does that well on its own
Exactly what Jesus said.
"If people mock you for believing in me, it is because they mocked me first. In this world you will have much trouble, but do not fear, for I have overcome the world."
You need to actually study the Bible before thinking you are privileged to comment on it.
@@lancemarchetti8673you do realize that the speaker was an Evangelical X-tian broadcaster right?
@@lancemarchetti8673 yeah right. with over 30,000 different denominations of your religion but you have the correct interpretation of your holy book of nonsense, right?
I appreciate people like this. I grew up never being able to question or challenge. I remember when the Bible museum in Kentucky first opened and they sent people all around to churches . Since I was in high school and took a lot of science classes, my family would berate me with "oh yeah , how do you explain that." Or "how does YOUR science explain that?" I was 17 and had to defend what normal people know to a bunch of idiots like my family. All they did was watch a one sided argument in a church from that nut case of a museum. I still did it though . How can you use religion to attack a kid because you have no friends with a education?
As a former Christian, this is so true. And, now that I understand and see through it, it is sickening that we / I did this formerly. But, now, people like Seth have woke me up. I want a society with less reliance on religion and more focus on truth and reality.
And more focus on human well-being.
Faithbook, it's Facebook but with a lisp.
Dodgy Bishop Christians don't need Facebook, their god already knows everything because he's always watching, right?
Cindy Brady: "THAILBOAT!"
bluerhizome
He is? Damn, hope he didn't watch what I just did after my morning coffee.
Do Christian women wear faith-creams to prevent wrinkles?
LOFL!!..I just spit out my Pepsi reading this. You are a hero,good sir.
when I became free of religion I listen to two songs that was prohibited by Christianity
Stairway to heaven and Hotel California . No demon possession
They hate ACDC lmao. I love me some hells bells lol
Dust in the Wind by Kansas is the most depressing song .
As a Christian , i believe we are not just dust in the wind .
“Thou Shalt Not Steal” .....
Charles Carpenter Let me ask you: when did God say “yeah it’s cool to do bad things if secular people do it to” ? Shame on you.
@@undeniablySomeGuy @Miguel! I Draw! Not to be the devil's advocate here but I think that's what people are pointing out about slavery in the Bible. They basically started enslaving after God got them out of slavery from Egypt.
@@matsmith2507 actually much earlier than that. Abraham has slaves. Remember Hagar, his wife's (Sarah) EGYPTIAN slave whom she gave to him to bear a child cause she's infertile. And many others in his household. Even Job(God's most faithful man) whose said to be more older than Abraham has them!.
@@YkebazFiles Yeah true. But in Genesis, there are no solid passages there that these men of God are cruel to their "servants". They can argue that but in the following 2-4 books everything just goes downhill regarding this topic.
If you believe this is plagiarism, then Rambo 2 is a ripoff of the tale of Robin Hood. Cars are a ripoff of the covered wagon. Airplanes are plagiarizing birds. You would have to be an absolute LUNATIC to believe any of this garbage that Seth spewed out.
"This is not a religious behavior, it is a human behavior." - regarding communal gatherings - thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Christian Teaching is actually a Rip Off, a Copy
Bo. Prove this.
I remember reading a piece of fiction that stated the Devil can't create anything; he can only copy and distort what God has made. I guess God runs out of ideas too if his people have to steal. "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints..."
yayyy Tom Baker
Queenboadicea, then perhaps we need to flip it on it's head - what is REALLY happening here is that secular people are creating good music etc, and the poor copies are indeed being made by satan, which is what the fundamentalists really are.
Christianity === Devil Worship
Whatever the Original Jesus and John Baptist may have been, is distorted beyond recognition by a raving psychopath (paul) and 4 centuries of early roman church canonization.
Jesus these days probably would be atheist and maybe even was back then
Let the Devil copy what it will, it can never keep up with Human Creativty. HA! But sue the bastard anyway . . .
queen Boudicca .
the werewolf frenzy of the middle ages was knotted with this. the glorified body vs deliberately showinq tortured and mutated but otherwise a post mortem body. one is shiny the other icky. many don't like showing that part, as a mobile possibly socialized hell isn't as scary as rotting g in your own private catacomb.
BTW, oh Queen, CZcams won't let me spell you name your way.🤘😐🤔😤😤
Seth has a great way of getting his point , and story accross.
Not only does he have an awesome orators voice , he is NOT, rude , he doesn't brow best people who are religious. He just has an all around effective way of making his case.
Firstly I am not a religious person, however I was saturated with Christianity from birth , until I became old enough that I refused to go to church , which happened to be 14-15 years old.
I came from the heart of the so called," Bible belt,". In a few weeks I'll be 51 , and I've found that the older I get ,the more I can logically reflect on my culture, family and it's religious beliefs. Looking back , I think the best way to describe the church and religion of my grandparents, parents and what was pushed on my generation was a religion of .,"KEEP THYSELF AND ALL OF YOUR LOVED ONES IGNORANT, WHILST NEVER FORGETTING TO ADMINISTER CONTINUOUS AND MASSIVE DOSES OF GUILT ,SHAME AND INADEQUACY,".
This motto, which was never admitted to ,or heaven forbid spoken , bled over ,into all aspects of life . My father's view on everything aquired , was to label it as a ," SELFISH WANT," According to him , nothing is a need , Of course that applies to me and everyone else , except for him . This is just one of the many psychological , nightmares, that religion served up ,for my sister and I. I could literally write a novel on religions effects , regarding people of Appalachia , and the 50 plus years , it's left them behind.
In my youth going to church anytime I asked a question I always got a strange answer and felt pressured to not be questioning which didn't sit well with me. The made up answers created even more questions. None of it had anything to do with reality.
The more I see of Christianity, the more I find to detest. This holds true of all organized religions. Humanity deserves better.
Sounds like you have some personal problems bud
Religion is a disease. Breeds dishonesty. All theists are dishonest because they can never represents someone else's viewpoint without strawman.
Humanity deserves nothing more than what it produces.
@Ioustidhdnigfvk Ioustinianos how am I dishonest? Theist claim FACT even though they cannot demonstrate it. That is dishonesty.
How can you outright detest absolute Truth. There is no evidence against it, but an overwhelming amount that supports it. People can hate on Christianity all they want but they do not have any solid evidence to disprove it either, the main reason people turn away from God and Christianity is because they do not want to take responsibility for their actions.
Christianity survives through its "capacity to multiply and morph to fit its environment"
Hang on... isn't there a word for that?
Yes it's called a virus
Or *gasp* evolve!!!
It does mutate over time... and old acts die when they're no longer fit for purpose... and... oh my goodness... Do they know? If they don't know, don't tell them lol
Cancer.
Adapts?
I've been an atheist since about the age of 12, yet silent about it all my life, considering it a personal view. Having discovered these last few months the existence of atheist groups, videos, books and so on, I realize that I'm not alone, and that atheism is generally awesome and necessary. This presentation opened up an observation about religion I'd never considered, the way it infuses itself into popular culture and then becomes the culture. You still hear people say things like Western civilization is based upon Judeo Christian values, religion taking all the credit while not acknowledging the law making, science, farming and commerce that actually built it.
This resonates with me so much. I had a discussion with a theist friend of mine, and lost to a deontological argument. I don’t like losing, so I decided to start researching.
I found Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris, Bart Ehrman and other scholars, Seth, and even finally started reading God Delusion.
I feel so happy to know that there is a community of atheists and secular humanists out there, and I can’t wait to learn more!
@@nateward7120Excellent! You might like Christopher Hitchens, too.
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 absolutely. I already knew about Hitch, and it’s a tragedy that the world lost him so early.
They’ve always done that. They stole Christmas and Easter which were pagan festivals.
Point to consider. If something lives on as a copy, is that stealing? Or is it keeping a tradition alive? The buildings in DC are modeled after the Romans, are we "stealing" from the Romans, or are we continuing to work of the Romans?
Example:
The Japanese martial art style, Shorinji Kempo 少林寺拳法, Shaolin Temple Hand Way. Is it "stealing" a Chinese tradition or is it keeping it alive?
@@Quach7 the pagan festivals were only adopted because pagans had no impetus to join Christianity without the feasts. “What, no festivals at all? On yer bike!” However these were changed to reflect things happening in the Christian calendar. Sooooo, they weren’t copied, they were taken and bastardised.
@@Quach7 Pretty much everything in Christianity is a rehash of earlier mythology. The story of Jesus is a rehash of earlier mythology. Virgin births and resurrections did not originate in Christianity
No. That is wrong. That is completely historically wrong.
The only aspects that Christmas celebrations copied were the reefs and Evergreens. BTW God created Evergreen trees NOT pagan vikings. The gifts go back to the new testament where the Magi brought gifts after the birth of Jesus. The new testament writers HAD NO CONNECTION TO VIKINGS celebrating Saturn. That claim can be backed up by modern day archeologists. Gifts have been exchanged going much further back as well. That part was 100% a lie by Seth and can be proven.
I just discovered Seth. I really like the guy, he brings a lot of humour to the important messages he delivers.
This whole speech was a farce. The T-shirt designs were OBVIOUSLY meant to resemble those brands as a humorous way to promote Christianity. I can't believe he included those. So much of this speech could easily be picked apart, but atheists buy into it so easily.
@@rs72098 I think we all realise that they were deliberately copied. It doesn’t make this music any less putrid and cringeworthy.
A Christian will buy anything if you nail it to a cross.
*Flashback to Spongebob nailing the bread to his walls.
Always wanted an ice cream treat: holy wafers dipped in chocolate with a gummi Jesus. "Savior on a Stick" would sell, right?
An atheist will buy any lie as long as it was originally Christian.
jollyrodgering
Um his was funnier.......you're reaching and it didn't even make sense.
Just as everything in this video was ripped off. Makes sense Purple Fender? Or is your name a ripoff too boy?
Totally informative with laughing out loud funny moments. Seth Andrews has just been added to my list of intelligent, articulate Atheists. Fantastic!
I half expected him to walk up to the podium and say…”It’s a blessing and a privilege to be here with you. Let’s go to the Lord in prayer before we dive into this morning scripture reading”. 🤣🤣
This is great and much needed,I am from Lynchburg,Va. and we need you to keep on keepin on!
Is it just me or is Seth just getting better and better. What a truly brilliant spokesperson for good and decent atheism.
Good and decent atheism? If atheism is true, then 'good and decent' are decided by each individual, rendering the terms meaningless. Yet, Christ is the light of the world. I hope you get to know what is truly good and decent!
Mark Lucas it's sad you think you need an imaginary friend to know good from bad.
Ken Shiloh . It is not just decided by the individual. Society sets rules.
Larry Tompkins Even though you are evil you still know how to enjoy good things. Its sad you have to invent imaginary friends for real people you will never meet.
what you just said makes no sense.
Typical hypocrisy. Apparently the commandment that “Thou shalt not steal” gets tossed aside without a second thought when it comes to the more important task of making loads of money. Apart from the shameless theft of intellectual property belonging to others, what’s truly galling is these crass rip-off artists knowing they can safely avoid legal prosecution because the legitimate owners are too afraid to enforce their rights for fear of suffering the indignant wrath of outraged believers.
Exactly!
***** Heh. Only because they love pretending to be martyrs. Seriously, I think some of them believe it makes them more like Christ, or at least one presumes that may have something to do with this particular compulsion. For all of its offensive triumphalism, there is a strong current victimhood running through the Christian faith it seems.
***** Well masochists, at least - although it does take "two to tango" after all. And yes, never-ending cycles indeed. That's one of the key problems with religion in a nutshell, right there. Whenever these delusional fuckwits reproduce, a whole new generation of idiocy is spawned and it's back to square one in terms of making any advancement in dispelling these pernicious beliefs about God and such.
***** Good question. And an incredibly vexing one too! I had a discussion about this exact thing the other day with someone and was pretty much stumped coming up with a realistic answer. I believe it has to involve the practice of indoctrination but there are so many obstacles in the way of tackling that, it seems almost insurmountable. At the end of the day, the only tool non-believers have is the art of persuasion insofar as making it regarded as socially unacceptable to fill the minds of impressionable children with utter nonsense claiming it to be true. Perhaps not impossible, but far easier said than done, obviously.
***** It’s the exact same principle. Most everyone these days agrees that a parent’s extreme religious beliefs should never be allowed to adversely affect their child’s physical well-being. The trick now is to get people to think that same way about mainstream religious beliefs when it comes to them having a damaging impact on the child’s mental health. A much harder nut to crack, I dare say!
If the good book says they'll win, why bother fighting.
Very good show and thank you! I'll be looking forward to more from S. Andrews.
They would throw the Bibles out into the crowd? Well, I suppose concussions make conversion easier
I'm sure they were the little testaments they used to give kids in schools.
I hope they weren't like the hardcover I had to read during my history degree ....
That's great :-), my kids were so into these bands. They look back now and go what the f*** did I just listen to LOL
If Jesus really existed and is alive today as Christians believe,how can He put up with all of this ridiculous SHIT?👅
Haha!!!
My fundie mom always told me, during the satanic panic years, that Satan was the great counterfeiter, yet she tried to push Stryper, and Vengeance, on me to get me to stop listening to Def Leppard, and Slayer. Instead of Spider-Man comic books, she made me read those little Christian pamphlet-like comic books.
I have a funny illustrated book called "Dating tips for Christian youths".
Mike Carter not sure if the mini books you read were the same as the ones I did, those were done by a guy named Jack Chick, man was he a really strange guy!
A channel called The Bible Reloaded has parodied a lot of them.
Spider man is good! An Mike, other reading is good also! Always broaden the horizon of the mind! If not, one day when Your old, Your mind will fade away! Oh, and having to give up Def Leppard for Stryper and Vengeance? Son, You got screwed on that deal!
Check out Chick Tracts on The Bible Reloaded.
I also listened to stryper man they were underfunded.
I'm really digging Mr. Andrews's lecture videos. Great work Seth!
plagiarism has been around for over two thousand years, where do you think jesus came from ?
He came from Saul of Tarsus' vivid imagination.
I had no Idea about the existence of all this christian rip off merchandise. I guess this explains intelligent design / creationists. It's their own brand of science, with pretend scientists peer reviewing each others "work".
Never thought of it that way.
The T-shirts were openly MEANT to be ripoffs, they weren't hiding it, they also likely got approval from the brands. It's like the Darwin fish that resembles the Christian fish. You atheists are so gullible. I can't believe he put those in this speech. Besides that most of the companies were started by CHRISTIANS!! So Christians are ripping off Christians now?? There's so many holes in this, I can't believe you atheists ate this up.
Yes, they stole rock n' roll, too. Whatever happened to their original claim that it was the devil's music ?
I think it's called "If you can't beat'em, join'em."
It's every genre. They have their own version of Eminem in Christian rap too. His name is NF. The Newsboys are also another ripoff
dccmaj man KJ-52, 😎
And LO! They saw that hard rock was bringing in the mega bucks and said, I gotta get me some of that action
Dan, it’s ok because they changed the words to be Christian therefore it’s not of Satan
The cringe is real with that Stryper video clip.
I remembered in the 1970's John Denver's famous song dedicated to his wife, I was in a pentecostal church in which the pastor came with the same music but with christian's lyrics. They did this without any remorse for copying the music
"He was never a Kristchunnnnnn". However, if he NOW went on the podium and said that all the stuff he had been saying for the last six of seven years was a lot of crap, and that he REALLY buleeved in Jeeeezzzzuuusss, then all the Kristchunnnnnns would say...... "See..... he really WAS a Kristchunnnnn all the time. They would believe anything he said thereafter. Conditional Credibility. Agree with me and we believe you ardently. Disagree and you be possessed by da DEBILLLLL! Enough to make a cat laugh. (Credit to Christopher Hitchens.) If you haven't watched a CZcams of Mr. Hitchens eviscerating holyrollers, then you have not enjoyed the English language used to it's ultimate ferocity. Language as weaponry, deployed by a six star General and enough to make me weep, on occasion. And often to cause me to shake my fist in the air and shout "YES".
RIP sir. We are the poorer for your absence.
See how poorly "belief" works? You are completely wrong. Maybe you are looking in a mirror? Possible. Likely.
Care to show your idea of the "science"? I think you won't.
Bring it, fool.
Hmmmm, the "scientist" bailed out, I see. Good reason. There is NO creation science. NONE. Not one peer reviewed, refereed paper published in a reputable journal to it's credit. Evolution is essential to understanding biology. So, if you have some "science", let's see it.
Given that much of Christian tradition, and even Christianity's core beliefs about Jesus, are derived from other systems of belief, it makes sense that, in modern times, Christianity would seek to mimic the culture around it. That is what made Christianity such a successful religion - indeed the most successful religion in all of recorded history. Its Christianity's ability to constantly evolve, while claiming, without a hint of irony, that its ideas are immutable, is what makes this religion so durable. For a religion which has a sizable number of its practitioners denying evolution, there isn't a religion that evolves as much as Christianity.
Too few people know that the Jewish faith is simply Zoroastrianism repackaged, and Christianity is just Judaism with a Hellenistic spin.
Culture mimics religion.
Off the top of my head.
Terminator: The Sarah Connors Chronicles.
Quotes the Bible in every episode, on purpose.
Religion is culture.
Battlestar Galactica is Mormon Catechism. Sent to you as a Trojan Horse of Science Fiction entertainment to your home through your TV.
Think for a moment. Culture without "religion" is nothing.
@@Quach7wrong. Just because the bible might be quoted in some films is absolutely ridiculous to claim that culture mimics religion. Evilgelicals utterly plagiarise popular culture in a desperate attempt to remain relevant and of course scrape as much money together as possible.
Jesus himself learned yoga during his missing years in India.
"Addicted to Mediocrity" is a great book by Francis Schaefer. He is a Christian but in it he discusses how the acceptance of "kitsch" by Christians, as a standard of artistic merit, has eroded sensibilities of true greatness. This applies here because of the laziness and opportunism and raw greed that the commercialized Christian knockoffs and memetics of popular products represent. GREAT TALK, SETH 👍 👍.
I was supposed to get confirmed when I lost my faith! Thank you so much for retaining me within reason.
man! this is beautiful! when you pronounced: "it is even in the same key" i laughed like crazy -- this was a perfect comedy moment. it looks to me like a new genre, and very exalted too.
If you (like me) read the title and came here looking for info about Christians stealing Samhain, the real story about Christmas trees.... etc. It starts about 28:27. Only mentioning this because I almost left early but it kept getting more and more interesting.... Super video!!
Wow, I wonder how in the world, I’m just seeing this guy. He did a great job, love his talks!
Thank you, your message at the end inspired me to find a community
Seth, You're a really amazing speaker...i'm binge watching all your vids...can't get enough! ☺👍
The Power Team actually would come to my public high school in Alabama once a year. I was all into it until the end when they made you come up to the stage and lay hands on each other and pledge your allegiance to the Holy Spirit. Thinking back on it as an adult, that was some weird sh#t 😂
Jeremiah Wells I remember that!!! I was in elementary school when they came. I went to Colbert Heights in Tuscumbia, AL. What about you?
What about pledging allegiance to the flag, every day?
I’ll never forget: my moms close friend had her and her childrens life threatened at gun point by her abusive alcoholic husband. She sought help and escape from our long time church and was basically told, “we’d love to help, but the Power Team is in town and we are way too busy.” Every time I drive by that church, I flip them off.
@@katelynnehansen8115 I'd be so angry, I'd want to expose them for their hypocrisy.
@@susanatkinson3978 I am and have been furious about it for so long.
I was working backstage at a concert back in 1984 or 85 that Stryper was appearing at. It was not an all Christian concert. In fact, Stryper was the only Christian band playing at that venue. I was sent to get one of the bands to remind them about an interview they had agreed to do before they went on stage and accidentally walked into the dressing room being used by Stryper. They were due to go on stage in the next few minutes and were in the middle of a joint prayer to; I guess, psyche them up for their performance. I quickly realized I'd made a mistake and apologized and backed out. They were pretty cool about it. One of them even said that it wasn't a problem and he hoped I'd enjoy the show. I wish I could say they put on a great show, but while they weren't terrible, they were; IMO, pretty generic sounding for an 80's metal band.
I made the mistake of telling of this incident to a cousin of mine who was; and still is, a fervent evangelical Christian. She misinterpreted what I told her and thought I really liked Stryper; as opposed to what I actually said about them being nice guys, when they could have been keyed up, stressed out and not so nice. So, for that Christmas, as a gift she gave me their first album; actually an EP, "The Yellow and Black Attack." I played it once, that was enough.
15:00 Is it my fading eyesight or are there hardly any black faces among those so-called Christian singers?
Like most things in this country, Christian music developed along segregated lines. It would honestly be a bit odd seeing any in that clip. And I’m speaking as someone raised in the black church. The majority of black christian singers are classified as gospel singers. This style is more soulful. The blues and R&B are derived from it.
in the last 6 months or so, Seth has become one of my biggest heroes...Thank you for all your hard work. I can't recommend him enough. Calm, cool and collected... and that voice.. haha..
I am suddenly angry to think Christians get away with this at the same time Internet movie reviewers have to deal with false DMCA claims. Sometimes from Christians! And then they have the nerve to claim being persecuted.
They don't get sued because this entire speech is nonsense. Stephen King was brought up Christian. Wilson Phillips was Christian. Yeah some Christian bands formed similar music, but so did many secular bands. There are lots and lots of Christian bands that secular music has copied.
At about 35 minutes this gets into some reference stuff into what is happening, very thought-provoking analysis. Great ending.
What an interesting and entertaining presentation. So many great points. ❤
I've always asked why a group of "artists" who have direct access to the single greatest creative force in the Universe can only manage to produce music that is not only completely derivative and watered down, but also, years too late.
OMg Leslie Phillip's "music" actually made my teeth hurt--upper incisors.
I always enjoy SETHs Talks. Very entertaining
I've been a non believer for a long time now, but I still love Stryper, great band, talented musicians, amazing voice.
Easter was also a pagan holiday. Why didn't he mention their theft of Easter?
Next time someone tries to warn you of Halloween you can remind them of how pagan Easter and Christmas are.
Christmas is a stolen holiday. Do you really think the shepherds where in the fields in the middle of winter? Christians just co-opted a time that was already Solstice/Mid Winter celebration with a "celebrate it our way or die" edict. And they got lazy with Easter. Did even really bother to change the name much. And think about it; what do bunnies and eggs have to do with Jesus' resurrection? They're symbols of fertility, which was the original reason for the holy day.
Every major festivity has pagan roots, all to create the false narrative that western culture has a judeo-christian basis
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Blaming it on Satan keeps you believing nonsense. It's brainwashing and it's sad.
@@debbie8023 good lesson deb.God bless you. Do many lost people to save. Keep up the good work. You will be special in God's eyes in heaven.
Gotta love how whitened up the Christian knock-off of "we are the world" is.
It's pathetic ain't it. They couldn't even think up the idea to fundraise first, they had to copy it from those who had more compassion first.
The majority of "we are the world" singers were Christians. It's so sad because atheist musicians are the ones that are in the deep minority. Singing about your beliefs in nothingness are actually really uninspiring.
@@rs72098once again no evidence that the artists in we are the world are mostly christian. So called christians will be in the minority soon enough. Cry harder.
Whoa...these copycat labels, logos, slogans, albums, songs makes me feel like I've been in a bubble. Indoctrination of children should be illegal. WE can never get those 30-40 years back.
Thank you Seth, for the much needed work that you do.
There was a Christian alternate to Creed? Weren't Creed annoyingly religious enough?
wildsmiley Yeah, but we're they whacko enough? Or did their checklist of things they hate to see others doing not match the fundamentalists' checklist (AKA: Doctrine or prejudices (I'm colorblind in that range)). Or is rock music just inherently evil?
Rational minds will never know but it smells like money to me. They resisted making songs to cash in on the radio market. So make a copy that will cash in and make a hhuuuuggge tithe.
No.
This is a great video to watch. What a malleable religion Christianity is.
I often say that the most important requirements to being religious are ignorance and hypocrisy. "The real world is full of evil things that we should avoid! QUICK LET'S COPY IT ALL AND MAKE MAD BUCKS YO!"
What more needs be said?
It probably has been commented already but i LOVE the fact that the list is, of course, written using Comic Sans.
What an infallible Litmus test that font is.
Another great talk Seth, and especially thank you for wrapping it well at the end punch. I think we forget that theists automatically believe that they have a right to everything because of their belief that their god owns everything cause it created everything.
Bollocks
Excuse me, but I am the only one whom can own me. And you have no right to the ownership of anybody, or anything else no matter what you believe. We all share in this experience we call life. And from me, the word is NO. You do not have the right you believe you do.
Seth, you nailed this presentation. I wish I could like it again.
Yeah!! If 3 black women create a soul singing group then THEY MUST BE COPYING TLC. YEP!! Makes perfect sense. You atheists are so gullible to buy into this garbage.
What a great presentation Seth Andrews thanks.
Wait, there's a Christian alternative to Enya? I've been listening and meditating to new-age devil music used in the soundtrack to The Lord of the Rings?! That list is hilarious!
Enya is evil 🤣
He said Marie Brennan...who's Enya's sister.
Man, this is awesome. I want to create subtitles in Portuguese.
I'm angry at how Christians copy our entertainment and try and replace it with their Jesus version crap and it takes away the quality of art down the toilet... A long time ago I was a metal, alternative music kind of guy (and I am still em), I went on a road trip with my cassette tape player listening to Nirvana and Metallica and my parents brought me a tape of hard rock and as we were on the road I start listening to this tape and something was wrong, it sounded wrong, it was not as hard and it was wrong, listen to the lyrics and I start hearing words like "Savor" "Jesus" "Love" "Almighty god"... my dad accidently brought me Christian Hard rock... Give, ME, A, FUCKING, Life... I can't believe the Christian world is trying to replace to literally Icons, The Hunger Games and Stephen FUCKING ("CHRIST") King! HOW Dare these Christian fanatics to do that, They are CHippafying Good Stuff, I pity them, they are sad in their choices of poor taste for the fear of their devil DIE and Enjoy life as it is, not carbon copy as cheaply as fluff....
It is best not to make comments when you are angry.
But you are already in the toilet swimming in shits.
Say what you will, but the Christian band Stryper totally rocked! What a great band.
Brian Hall nope not going to say you are........
Interesting. All the sick movies and you criticize Christians? I love action movies, things blowing up. Yet, I hate hearing my friend Jesus's Name used in disrespect. My favorite movies used to be the Bourne Identities. Yet, would you watch a movie that disrespected yourour mom? God is family. I love movies that honor His Name. I hope you get to know Christ!
Now that was 39 minutes well spent! I learned a lot.
I went to church conferences all my life. I just deconstructed and it's a new goal of mine now to go to an atheist conference.
Who wants to go troll Godtube now?
Yeah, no shit.. I think I'll go fuck with these idiots. lol.
The highly contrived self-promoting,"We Are The World",was a copy-cat of the UK's, "Do They Know It's Christmas?", that came out the year before.
What bothers me is how religies find feel-good stories and turn them into Christmas stories or god-inspired stories.
I didn't know this. Thanks for the heads-up. I'll do some reading on it. -Seth
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They are re-releasing it as part of Band-Aid 30, this year, as it's its 30th anniversary.
Same song, different singers (apart from Bono, probably).
TheThinkingAtheist JESUS HOW THE FUCK DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT? HOW CAN YOU BE SO FUCKING IGNORANT? I WAS AT LIVE AID AT WEMBLEY YOU FRIGGIN DUNCE. CHRIST I HATE IGNORANCE. FUCK MURIKKANS
Because at the time Seth was in a sheltered environment. Since his deconversion the song probably has not gotten much air play in his region of the US.
Canada's version was _Tears Are Not Enough_ , i.e. thoughts and prayers accomplish nothing. You need to actually do something.
I still have my redemption card collection and Bible man VHS. Loved those lol.
I've been living in Bellevue, Wa, since 1978 (Bellevue borders Redmond, Wa). From 1988-1991, I worked at the Denny's that was located at NE 8th and 116th. Ironically, it's now a Chic-fil-A. I worked the overlapping late shift on weekends. One night, this big crowd of head bangers came in after they performed. I asked someone in the group what the event was. They were Bloodgood and just performed at a Christian concert. I never heard of them, of course. I forgot about them until now.
This reminds me of when I was younger and still going to church but atheist in my own mind, just observing the community I was embedded in with a new point of view..
I went to the christian night at Disney world and noticed this stuff EVERYWHERE. Entire church groups get and/or *make* their own matching knockoff shirts to wear throughout the park. I'm hearing these popular songs that are mutilated into something cringe inducingly generic everywhere. And then, while I'm standing in line with similar minded friends (thankfully), one of the previously described groups around us gradually break into song...
What song? Find me somebody to love. By? Oh, Queen. Just a little band with a singer who is also famously known for being homosexual...
So, come a silence in the early part of the song I spoke aloud as if talking to someone feet away "These christians know he was gay, right?..". All of a sudden the impromptu choir turned to mumbling, the occasional scattered voice, and then pretty much quietness (compared to before).
My best friend and his date were embarrassed at first by their expressions when I spoke up. But once it *actually* turned to silence my friend nearly spit all over trying to hold back his laughter
The comment section is fun. Seth is another astonishing smart man who doubles as an idol to give viewers so many innovative and interesting ideas.
Right alongside those in the likeness of Aronra and Cult of Dusty.
I went to a Phil Driscol concert in my teens. He was amazing on the trumpet.
I've heard this gentleman a few times. "His way doesn't get through to me". People like Dawkins and Pinker get through to me. I'm glad Mr. Andrews is out there since, it appears that his way gets through to many.
What a wonderful secular pep talk! Well worth watching.
I remember going to school up in Wisconsin and we had a long weekend coming up so class was very loose that day and the teacher decided to give is a break and relax and watch tv and a Stevie Nicks concert came on and to my shock everyone boed and started saying nasty things about her and making fun of her saying she was an evil witch!
Sorry I'm late to the game but this is very very interesting because I love music where it comes from, its effects on people, why does it give you Joy, why are creates anxiety and people certain types of music. This is great thank you
I think it also bears mentioning that christianity ALSO utterly warps ideas. By that, I mean:
Christianity is supposed to be based on Judaism. Without Judaism, christianity has no creation stories, no creator, no original sin, no 10 commandments and so on... And yet, christianity utterly warps the notions of Judaism into something alien and unrecognisable. For example:
(1) In Judaism, Satan isn't the enemy of god. He's a loyal servant, obediently following orders (which is just as well, because angels weren't given free will, so it would have been impossible for him to rebel, unless he was ordered by god to do so. Kinda defeats the point).
(2) There's no concept of eternal punishment in Judaism.
(3) God is singular and indivisible in Judaism, with no trinity or son, etc... It even mentions that he's supposed to be eternal and unchanging.
(4) Jesus is not the messiah according to Jewish prerequisites. In fact, not only did Jesus fail to fulfil the requirements of a messiah, so did every other person who proclaimed themselves to be the messiah in those days, too (there were a fuckton of them).
(5) The prophecies that are supposed to foretell Jesus' coming don't do any such thing. If you read a Hebrew bible translated into English (or your preferred language), the prophecies touted by christians as proof of the divine foretelling of Jesus reveal that Jesus is about as divine as Billy Ray Cyrus and that there are as many prophecies foretelling the coming of one as the other!
(6) The god of the bible was a god of the Jews, for the Jews and created by the Jews. He didn't give a holy shit about gentiles! He sanctioned their slavery, their genocide and even committed genocide against them personally! He didn't give a fuck about ANYONE but the Jews.
There are a number of other glaring changes and it's for these reasons that I cringe every time I hear someone say "Judeo-Christian." I'm neither christian nor Jewish, yet I know enough about both religions to know that christianity isn't an addition to Judaism, it's a complete rewrite of Judaism!
Razer cambel obviously you have never studied Judaism. The prophets spoke of Jesus.
Scott Thompson Jesus didn’t fulfill any of the Prophecies he was supposed to do.
@@scottthompson8792 You need to deprogramme your brainwashed thought process. Example Isaiah used the Hebrew word for young woman, Matthew used the Hebrew word for virgin, what prophecies again??
@@honorquest BECAUSE THE ""YOUNG WOMAN""..FROM ISAIAH WAS ..VIRGIN..!!..AND THEN MATTHEW JUST SAY THE ENTIRE WORD ..!!
DataGuy before you start romanticizing and claiming that you understand the words of the Hebrew, you should definitely understand that God has no chosen people in the first place. The Jews were treated bad as well. But that was because they rebuked God and his commandments to keep peace in the world that he is so created.
The Babylonians check the Jews in to deceiving them and making them believe that they have to worship their gods and goddesses.
For example the Babylonian queen so-called goddess who is deceived by Lucifer himself, Lucifer had promised her that he would help her become a goddess if she sold her soul to him. She was soon deemed queen of heaven, she had a son Tammuz, he died the day he became a hunter. A wild pig had killed him.
She decided to make a ritual and create her own calendar, to remember her son Tammuz. The holiday is known as Easter.
Easter taught the people of Babylonian beliefs a.k.a. religion of the world of man, not of God as an Yeshua, To literally sacrifice babies and kill them and drink their blood
They would sacrifice these babies drink their blood and put their blood on the babies. They covered these babies with blood, as a sacrifice and remembrance to tabbies which is the Samaritan goddesses son. The queen of heaven decided that every ritual they had they would have what’s called a sex orgy ritual, The woman would bake cakes and give it to the queen of heaven in reward to defile their bodies as prostitutes in the temple. So many women had sex with upon many men for the sexual ritual....
And the whole point of changing the calendar which the queen of heaven a.k.a. Lucifer allowed to happen, Was for those prostitutes to conceive children on the day her son Tammuz was born. Once those babies were born they would do the same thing all over again and on Easter they would sacrifice the babies a.k.a. murder them drink their blood and cover their blood all over the babies bodies.
Rabbit was a symbol of fertility, and so God took down this temple because it was no longer pure it no longer was good, Lucifer has deceived all those people.
And when God questioned them they turned away from him because he knows their hearts.
Jews were part of the action, and the ones that decided to partake in the action were either persecuted anyways, since they were majorly looked down upon, or they decided to follow the footsteps of the Babylonians as in man’s law not God’s law. And therefore were deceived by Satan.
The Trumpets are very close to being blown, and if you wish to partake in the world, then that is your choice because God gave us free will.
He gave us a brain and a heart and two hands and 10 fingers and two eyes and two ears in a mouth and a nose for a beautiful reason.
But the devil has deceived many into using their body for his will and not of Gods.
And so your mind is being deceived, it doesn’t matter what you say.
It doesn’t matter what you think. It doesn’t matter what you hear.
It doesn’t matter what you choose to perceive or what you perceive.
It doesn’t matter the color of your hair the color of your skin the color of your eyes the color of your fingernails either.
The devil is disguised as light a peaceful light.
The way you think is normal, but the truth that is not believed is normal.
You are being deceived. Big-time.
You will soon know the truth, The Truth Will Set You Free.
The reason you do not believe in the prophets or the prophecies of anything or anyone even God himself, is because the devil has tricked your mind.
He has brainwashed you into thinking the normal as normal, and so he’s able to make you turn the pages of the ones you really need to read to find the truth.
The truth that will set you free.
He is a trickster that is what he does that is what he is good at
He deceives those that have not excepted God, as in the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Overtime he taps on your shoulder until one day you can’t take no more, you bleed out and look for the truth, you look for the truth, you listen to the lies of the world.
Do you think that you listen to your own intuition, but your intuition is sin, so how can I be of your own intuition?
God is coming very soon.
For he’s so loved the world, that he gave himself to us, so we could be with him for eternity. In the most beautiful peaceful place you could ever dream think you can’t even fathom.
You have chosen to leave the believe of God, because he is so powerful and awesome and truly merciful and loving and magnificent, And because you were washed away by the sin of the devil, it is impossible for you to imagine such a thing, because the devil is nothing but lies and lies and lies.
I’m going to pray for you tonight. I’m going to pray for many people tonight.
Because I don’t want people to go to hell, I want people to be loved by God and live in the truth not the lies of this world.
There’s many Christians that are not saved, there is many Catholics that are not saved, there is many Buddhists that are not saved, there is many Hindus that are not saved
There is many Muslims that are not saved, there is many pagans that are not saved, there is many atheists that are not saved.
Mark of the beast is very real, and those who choose not to believe it will receive the wrath of God.
It is not an actual beast coming out of the water, it is the authority of the world coming together as one, as MAN.
Atheist Christians Catholics pagans Buddhist Hindus Babylonians pathologists Egyptians Romans Muslims
Jews. Not all Jews will be saved. 97% of the world at least will be deemed in hell for eternity, and the other percent will have the seal of Yeshua.
This is not a matter of thanking him and being Mr. atheist that is the thinker and processor anymore.
It’s not a matter of doubt in doubting and gossiping and making fun and judging other people in their religions.
Because in the end we are all the same, we all have a heart we all have a brain two hands and 10 fingers and two eyes and two ears in a mouth and a nose for a beautiful reason.
We all have a conscience, but we also do you have free will.
It’s up to you what happens, but if you except God in your hearts and ask him for forgiveness and repent,
The Truth Will Set You Free
For God so loved the world that he sent himself to deliver us from our sins, I say to you that I love you as well very much.
I love everyone here because everybody has a heart and everybody has a brain and everybody was created in the image of God.
And therefore nobody should judge one another but love one another.
The only way the prophecies in the Commandments itself is kept in tact is by unconditional love.
God be with you. The day before SabbAth starts NOW. 🌅🌊☀️✨🌸🌾🦁
On the subject of pop Christianity trying to co-opt pro wrestling, I remember back about fifteen years ago, at the height of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin's popularity, seeing t-shirts ripping off his "Austin 3.16" catchphrase. The shirts mimicked the design of the official Austin merchandise, and read (what else?) "John 3.16 -- Because God Said So!"
Shameless, they copied then edited those myths . And write it down in the book. Called it the bible.
Wasn't originally _“Austin 3.16”_ a reference to John 3.16?
rataflechera Yes, but he was mocking it. Mocking the idea of praying and quoting scripture to get what hou want.
BlackPantherN7 no doubt. But if someone mocks you and you turn the mockery back, that would be no plagiarism. Not in my book, at least.
rataflechera It's not plagiarism. It's opportunism and attempting to co-opt something popular for your own benefit.
These are people still tied to 2,000 year old stories. Do we really expect them to exhibit much imagination?
These people know deep down that their religion is severely primitive and outdated. Why else would they feel the need to mimic mainstream, secular culture?
Akihito007
By definition they were primitive compared to us, as we will likely be compared to people in the distant future.
And no age does not make something untrue, but it does not make it true either. And since almost nothing in those books can be shown to be true, and much is known to be false,
And you are wrong about IQs being lower. Overall, they have been rising slightly - at least in the developed world.
And we have no good evidence of any Christian who could possibly have known if the events even in the gospels were true. We have unconfirmed STORIES about the apostles, who, if they were what they are claimed to be could at least potentially have known. And most of the Christians we know to have been tortured and killed would not likely have believed what you do, because it was mostly the Gnostics and not the more orthodox Christians who were persecuted.
But of course, people have died for all sorts of crazy beliefs that they were sure were true - just in my lifetime. So that to me is evidence of human gullibility - not the truth of any claim.
Mostly the gnostics?!? What crap are you reading?!? Whatever it is, it sure isn't history or backed up by anything in church history. Honestly the absolute radical skepticism of atheists, who suppress the Truth while lying about the NT not being "reliable" when it's the most historically accurate and closest written to actual events from ALL the writings we have from ancient history. Atheist skeptics sure don't make good ancient historians since if we applied their views onto the rest of history, we wouldn't be able to know anything until the invention of the printing press. All these writings from the Church Fathers, much not even translated into English, but none of that matters because of what some stupid, smug atheist says on a 3rd rate blog or website, acting as if Christians are "stupid" while saying patently false things like this guy in the video says. This foolish man even made the stupid attack in another video, mocking the Bible as the "Good Book" because it had bad stuff in it. Well DUH, men are totally depraved sinners and it has historical accounts of bad men doing bad things. That'd be like me saying Shelby Foote book on the Civil War is "evil" cause it talks of war and people getting shot.
Akihito007
I am well aware that from day one to today, Christians like to see themselves as horribly persecuted. And early on they were to a degree. But even before Constantine, there is evidence in Roman writings that indicates that orthodox Christianity was reasonably tolerated by the authorities. And why not? The New Testament reads like a dictator's wet dream! If I had been a Caesar, my thought would be, "Damn! If I could get everybody to believe this, I would have it SO easy!"
It teaches pacifism, turning the other cheek when wronged, not repaying evil with evil, slaves obey your masters, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's (i.e. pay your taxes), obey Earthly authorities because god gave them the sword to do that which is right. Don't worry about your financial status, or envy the rich and powerful! Even the Roman who presided over the killing of Jesus was painted as a good guy, and the Jews (who were always a thorn in the side of Rome) painted as the bad guys!
It is a blueprint for creating a nation of willing serfs! No wonder the Romans adopted it! Some even contend that the Flavian Emperors CREATED it! That would fit with how many of the early saints were of the Flavian line.
You are a fool. Most of the really awful stuff in the Bible is stuff that was supposedly directly commanded or done by god.
Akihito007 no..it has bad things because it teaches women to be silent..to obey their husbands..to never speak out...to beat your children if the disobey...come on..have u ever read ur bible...not just the stories...the rules to follow are horrible..
I know i'm super late to this, but i knew growing up they did that. My dad outright mentioned when i was growing up that he listened to both christian and secular stuff, and that inspired him to want to join a band. Local small group was formed early 90s he was a part of until cancer-chemo, Violent Mercy. Never understood a word of what was said at the time (still don't), but i can't help but see the 'steals the best ideas' and think of him doing that and they pretty much were imitating some groups' styles with their own lyrics, with a few of their own thrown in. not quite parodies, but still.
My brother once did a high school history presentation on zombies (his teacher apparently let you do presentations on anything). At the end of his presentation he said, “and the best known zombie of all...Jesus Christ.”
There was a very Christian girl in the class (you know the type) and she was mortified.
"You like Enya, you'll like Maire Brennan"
Maire Brennan is Enya's sister.
Yeah, and I never thought the music of either of them was particularly pro or anti religion... Also, look through the list in the screenshot that Seth shows on that slide... Lots of hate for Enya. Why?
I remember listening to you on the radio back in the day. Now listening to you as an informed adult , it is so refreshing.
Thank you and Aron Ra for spreading the truth.
At 4:08: It's "25th anniversary," not "25-year [sic] anniversary". Anyone know what a tautology is?
I really enjoy listening to Matt Dillahunty and Seth Andrews. Great work guys!
"You are so beautiful..to me..." They both even have sweat marks on their fronts to show how intense they are.
This is why I tell fundamentalist christians that before they get their CHURCHY ANESTHESIA (so they don't have to face what they actually feel & think)....That they need to go to a casino & gamble their tithes, because that way they have a chance of getting something back.
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Thank you. I laughed from first to last.
I wish many people would watch this video with an open mind.