Why Magnus Carlsen Quit
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 09. 2022
- After a stunning loss yesterday, Magnus Carlsen has withdrawn from the 2022 Sinquefield Cup. Hikaru is live to give his thoughts on it.
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Just in case anyone is wondering why Hansâ accent changes in the post-game interview, itâs not actually him talking. Itâs the chess.
Twins? Hans and Hansen?
Bro this is the best comment on youtube
Bro you had me in the first half. lol đ€Łđđ€Ł
Who knows..
Lolll A+
Hikaru says "I'm not going to say anything more about it". Proceeds to expand on it for the whole day.
Doing it for views, one hundred per cent.
@UCmqnpBn_EFbVHxALL1sybzg There's never any doubt that Hikaru thinks Magnus is better than him. He's very clear. He doesn't think anyone else is, and he's right. There's a half dozen A-tier players, and he's one of them.
glad he did.
Hikaru voice: "ahh jebaiteddd" đŹ
yeah loooooooool
"I'm at a loss for words"
- Hikaru, not being at a loss for words
Amd continues accusing Hans lol
This is what I thought
- Proceeds to talk about it for 30 min haha, he is amazing, I love it 100%,
Guess Hikaru speaks for himself
Hikaru is so raw
Hikaru: "For once, I'm at a loss for words"
Also Hikaru: Continues speaking on the subject for the next 2 hours.
Classic
Really impressed with the chess community's creativity in finding so many ways to say something while not saying anything.
true, this is quite pathetic to be honest.
either accuse the guy or just don't say anything. I couldn't give enough of a damn about hanz specifically, but as we can see its easy to start a rumor and ruin someones career with no evidence at all.
@@hott8310 then we can't say anything at all and become mindless laymen.
true just talk without proving. So bias af
@@MeatBunFul that is a huge misinterpretation of my comment. If you think ruining someones career with no factual evidence is worth it to you then i have nothing more to add.
speculation and gossip is the most unintellectual and mindless laymen thing you can do.
@@hott8310 If you think there's no evidence, then you are in fact mindless.
âchess speaks for itselfâ
âif i speak, iâm in big troubleâ
So in other words, the chess itself is in big trouble
@@michael21759 thats one way to interpret
Magnus is chess? I thought it was kasparov
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He would be because chess will start saying some shiz
PS: I have a duck video, a chicken video, a video where i am begging for money on Twitter, a walking video, a video where i am playing with my nuts. A short with a blog. A Naruto Arena video... Also a patreon
The part where Niemann is doing the game analysis strongly reminded me of my college days, when i had an oral exam and was trying to bullshit my way into a passing grade. Grasping at every straw, and praying the lord that i would randomly say something that was correct. Ah, the good old days.
lmaoooo yes. Good times
Oh damn đ. Couldnât be any more accurate analogy đ
Han's analysis had nothing to do with Chess..It had everything to do with TOO MUCH BEERđșđș
Good read I think đđ
It is *trivially easy* for Hans to remove any and all doubts concerning possible cheating: simply do a post-mortem analysis the way *any* 2700+ player can. This means that several high-quality 10-ply-deep move sequences can be produced at will, and that questions such as "why did you not play move X" can be answered convincingly.
he has had time to develop an understanding of why his ai played the way it did, such an interview would have had to have been conducted immediately after the game and would've had to have been incredibly vigorous and at the end we still wouldn't have conclusive proof of whether or not he cheated, just firmer suspicions.
@@kjmartin815 haha are you kidding he wasn't convincing at all, whatever time he had to prepare didn't help much
@@numberonedad commenter is saying that heâs had time SINCE THEN to come up with a good analysis
The thing is he has never been 2700+ and he was playing 2750+ players....
Except the burden of proof here is on Magnus, and it's even simpler for him to come forward with whatever proof he has of Hans cheating in their match
After listening to that analysis I think Hans was better off letting his chess speak for itself.
The big secret here is that none of the humans analyze those positions correctly, and certainly not in real-time. That is why a garbage engine crushes any super-GM. If anyone says they can do it, then let them play an engine and prove it.
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I could analyze that game better and I'm 1600 elo
I plead the 5th
Is it possible hans is getting prep from something like alpha zero or a completely new thinking engine?
3:18 Hikaru: I have nothing to say on this.
Hikaru: Video goes on for another 29 minutes.
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"I literally don't care"
"I have nothing to say"
same energy
Hikaru acts like one of those gossip girls lol
Great stuffâ€ïž
I think Magnus was very skeptical of Hans before the tournament and so he prepped a line of play that he knew there would be very very slim possibility that Hans could respond effectively in order to prove for himself that Hans wasn't playing honestly and then decided to leave the tournament based on his own proof.
Thats bullshit Austin
I love how your theory for hans cheating was that magnus prepared a plan that would work against his opponent đđ
Hearing Aliâs wonderfully mild-mannered voice say âyeah, Queen G3 is insaneâ I completely understand Hikaruâs reaction đ
Hikaru: "This is the only thing I am going to say, the only thing!"
Also Hikaru: "Magnus thinks Hans cheated."
Hikaru is the fun guy that just love sharing his thoughts. Most chess players just always shut up and are no fun. Hikaru makes the game interesting with his insights/guesses.
@@TiptronicSS I agree on that, but when it becomes to accuse another colague, and roasting him in that way, it doesn't look that fun at all. I actually feel sad by hikarus behavior on this.
@@davidb6587 He probably made a $100 K, top price for 1st place in Sinqfield Cup, from the drama without even playing the tournament, so got a little bit excited. For him the risk of offending Hans if never proven guilty is worth the price of a popular stream. Several Super GMs joined the stream when they heard that Hikaru is saying that Hans might be cheating in plain language, unlike Magnus who very clearly implied it but not brave enough to say it plainly. At the end of the day, assuming Hans is innocent which I think he probably is because I don't know how on đ one can cheat in such high security tournament, Hikaru acted like a bandwagon-jumping douchebag today, but he still did the chess community a great service by interpreting Magnus' tweet + action of withdrawing. Had Magnus been clear then Hikaru wouldn't have come off as throwing shade at Hans , rather rationalizing why Magnus thinks Hans is a cheater. So if Hans is innocent I blame all this drama Solely on Magnus because Hikaru saw an opportunity to make some đ out of some drama and took it. He might have turned his fans against Hans, but for me I didn't absorb his speculation as gospel because I trust my brain more, which says no evidence = no crime. Why did I type all of this? Sorry it's long!
@@islamz340 Brother, I completely agree with you and that is a perfect analysis. However I feel hikaru has some beef against Hans, he is roasting him with chess speaks itself and all that stuff for so long that is becoming boring. I've watched hikaru for a long time, but taking all this stuff so personal and so aggressive is too much for me.
@@davidb6587 Fair enough. Yeah maybe take a break and come back when this whole Hans drama is over! I just hope that if Hans is innocent then he won't negatively affected by all of this and completely avoids social media for a few weeks.
Alejandro with the FBI level interrogation of Hans was top class đđ
Truly, and the look on his face haha
So entertaining đ
It was so entertaining and heartening to hear Alireza's interview. I really feel he has come a long way with his attitude about chess and his own mental approach to it.
Yeah, that interview where Alireza laughed and said he didn't see any of the lines till Hans told him about them after the match, that's actully the only time I've ever liked Alireza.
@@Mike-my4px heâs clearly saying that Hans is a CHEATER
@@Mike-my4px smartest hans defender
@@khalidalshaya7288, thatâs not what he said. Thatâs what people in the disbelief heardâŠ
he comes across as very humble and personable tbh
Let's see your damning evidence against Hans, Hikaru. Otherwise, you owe Hans a public apology. Man up.
Is in the video youâre commenting under man. He never declared he was cheating, just showing the reasons that might lead someone to assuming that
@@Bhubnipz Weak
With friends like Hikaru and Magnus, chess doesn't need any enemies...
Alejandro did an excellent job conducting himself in this. It's clear he shares the general suspicion but he was very professional.
Alejandro allways stood out to me as someone very professional, right from the start of his appearances on the casting crew.
He didn't get that joke about why Magnus left. I'm kind of disappointed...
I'm very impressed by Alejandro. I'm an Alejandro fan now.
Especially since Hans started the interview by calling him an idiot...
Yeah that caught me so off guard in the start. I rewinded the clip because I couldnt believe he insulted Alejandro so directly
I think hans made a blunder by giving interview, he should have just said "chess speaks for itself" and moved on
His ego could never allow him not to.
@@djdarklyceum "well i guess he quit cause i beat him" đ€
@@literatemax if only chess was that easy
His analysis after the games is all the proof needed he cheats just like Lance Armstrong
Rob Thoms Difference is lance armstrong was still better than everyone else because they were all juicing at that time. This guy is the only one cheating against legit players and he canât even explain his moves.
Take this bs accusation down and get some real evidence
It would have been much better if Hans said âsomething I knew little, but it felt like a great idea, so I went for it and I was rightâ or âmy intuition told me it was goodâ similar to what his rival was feeling but being sure for a fact and be proved in his analysis he was wrong⊠not good enough
To me his performance looked like hope chess. He could just admit he wasn't thinking too much about counterplay and was just looking at how he can attack.
@@Jkjoannaki when you take into account that Magnus played bad against him and Firouzja got thrown off by Qg3, it seems this is probably what really happened. He played unorthodox moves, of which a couple were really good and/or psyched out his opponents.
Props to Alejandro for conducting a clear-headed interview even though he is suspicious too
Yeah, for real
alejandro conducted it in a way that gave hans rope to hang himself in. was brilliantly done tbh
clear-headed interview? the fuck you talking about son, he is obviously insinuating near the end of the interview that the kid cheated. you don't do that as an analyst, there is 0 proof and those accusations can ruin someone mental, tourney, and career in the future. he was very unprofessional, dogpiling with the rest of " creme de la creme" of chess world. his questions were straight up accusatory and definitely a moral breach of his character in my eyes.
@@TheAzevse its always difficult keeping an open mind knowing of what happened in the past rarely anyone can have a unbiased opinion if you cheat in the past you'll always be known as such if this was anyone else no drama would have happened in the slightest it sucks because if he actually won it invalidates his win but for me as an outsider it is suspicious and being caught cheating in the past doesn't help with anyones suspicion it makes it 100x worse
@@TheAzevse once a cheat always a cheat
"Who cares about the quality? It's the results that people remember."
That, to me, sounds VERY cheater-ish.
okay schizo
Exactly. I have never heard any chess player say this. They are always very cognizant of their level of play. All of them mention it. Just a very weird statement.
Hans living by that Dominic Toretto philosophy đ€Ł
@@Tight2008 almost every chess player, no matter what the first question is... "I was playing good today... " or "I was playing bad today..." they all say it
He probably meant I played a terrible game, but in the end I could make the draw (or wins) somehow... Which is not wrong because people won't remember your game (unless it's a brilliant game / immortal games), but we've seen so many boring draws on the tournaments by every other players, does this means everyone doesn't want a good chess wins, no, it means they get some rating points and some money too from those points they accumulate from wins and draws (I think they do?)... And probably what he meant by he doesn't really care means that he's tired and he wants some beach time lol (he mentioned about relaxing at the beaches and hotels on previous tournament đ€·)... To me, I feel like he has some psychological issues (maybe disorders of some sort - like mild autistic), that may explain why he's so nervous and unfocused at many occasions and wants to just leave đ€· and probably why he saw the different lines that other people (or GMs) saw but he didn't and vice versa... Reminds me of Ivanchuk (I'm not comparing him to Ivanchuk directly, but there's possibility that some players play different / weird lines) missed M1 I think against Vishy? Something that a 1500s probably wouldn't even missed lol but idk, just my speculation... He either has psychological disorder, or he's cheating, or he's a broken android đ€·đ€§đ€Ł
14:38 "I don't need to show variations" đ€š
So, basically Hikaru is saying Niemann cheated in the game and is playing way above his rating by saying this is not analysis from the level of a super GM.
While he's probably wrong about the cheating, he's right about the analysis. Stockfish don't lie (unless it's against alphazero lol)
That âanalysisâ was trash even at my level (about 2100) let alone at a super GM level
Yes it was suspicious, absolutely, but since the games themselves have been heavily scrutinized and appear to be clean, and no devices were found, we simply cannot conclude he was cheating
We can rightly be suspicious, but thatâs a lot different from concluding/accusing someone did, in fact, cheat
Is Hikaru basically saying that?
Does any computer or person can make that moves which hans played?
I have played a number of games where my opponent played well above his rating. I lost of course. I was suspicious but said nothing. In all of these cases I received a message the next day that the result has been reversed because it appears your opponent has taken an unfair advantage. Even so, I can't say if they cheated or not but if it did occur, it is bad for chess. If Niemann did the same, he must have access to a chess engine which looks impossible when you consider all the controls the St Louis Chess Club has in place. I hope the truth comes out.
As always Hikaru is analyzing the positions almost at the speed of Stockfish. Weâd expect 2700 rated Hans to do more or less the same. But heâs not even able to keep up with the commentator. I think the interview speaks for himself.
Magnus D rider
I use Stockfish thru Lichess. It often takes 8-10-12 seconds. Hikaru is blink-of-the-eye fast - 0.4sec⊠đ€·đ»ââïžđ
@@mcronrn browser based Stockfish is rather weak
@@Gilvids Hans D rider
Are you saying Hans cheated?
Hikaru- His analysis is not 2700 level
Me, a 1300- Yes, this is embarassing. A 2700 wouldn't miss that move. That move is clearly losing for some reason because Hikaru said it does.
Bruh me too I feel like I literally canât contribute as a sub 2000, his analysis seemed fine to me đ€·ââïž
"My pieces are well coordinated" is an statement we can agree with but it's also open to interpretation. Nevertheless, GMs do use these kind of sentences: "Piece activity, counterplay, fortresses..." BUT when they enter to a critical variation, in this case a piece sacrifice, they perfectly know what they're doing, not meaning they're correct but they know well what they calculated. So, masters could spill a bunch of moves impossible to follow for us and understand at that moment. Hans didn't do it, and that's terrible odd, not to mention the missevaluated variations he gave instead. For that reason all this interview smells like BS.
Well, stockfish also says it. Hikaru wasnt wrong, Stockfish agreed with his analysis.
Hans was just dead wrong about this position. You dont need to be a Super GM to see that, because the engines proved it. Hikaru just ALSO saw it, and was correct about the position because he's a Super GM, and like most Super GMs, he can analyze these positions pretty accurately.
I say "most Super GMs" because apparently, Hans is now also a Super GM of 2700+, and I thus would have been wrong to claim "All Super GMs".
@@eragon78 But here's the thing. The "engines" don't prove a damn thing until you get down to 7 pieces. Stockfish "proved" lots of things until Alpha Zero annihilated it. It's possible he views chess very differently, and is not good at engine-speak. (I don't think this is likely, but damn, it would be great.)
@@ricobarth Yea, and you cant "PROVE" Hikaru is a better player than I am until he actually beats me. Sure, I may only be like a 1400 and he's a 2750+, but those are just numbers. He hasnt solved chess, you dont know for SURE that he would beat me right?
Of course thats ridiculous though. By saying Engines "Prove" that Hans is wrong, I mean they prove it to any degree we could reasonably know. Engines are VASTLY stronger at chess than any human alive. No human can beat them. If they think a position is winning, then as far as humans are concerned, its winning. Nothing a human can do will ever NOT lose to a computer in that situation.
Sure, computers can beat EACH OTHER, but humans are no where near their levels so its irrelevant. You dont need to litterall have solved chess to know with 99.9999999% certainty that the computer is right. And even if they were wrong, Humans arent capable of seeing the refutation. We simply arent strong enough ourselves. So as far as we're concerned, the Computers saying its winning is proof enough.
So yea, Hans is just objectively wrong. He is NOT stronger than an engine, and he doesnt know more than an Engine. If the Engine says the position is losing for white, then the position is losing for white. End of story.
Also, Modern stockfish is stronger than AlphaZero. Its gotten much stronger since they last played. On top of that, Neither AlphaZero nor Stockfish would EVER EVER lose or draw in a normal chess game with a +3 advantage. Thats a decisive advantage in the world of engines. They can win/lose from even positions, but NOT from +3/-3 advantages. That is fully conclusive. Hell, even far weaker engines can most likely crush stockfish with a +3 advantage. Its not something that an actually decent engine is going to mess up. Its far too much of an advantage.
And if even stockfish is incapable of defending a position, then there is no way in hell any human alive is capable of defending it.
There is a guy getting his life destroyed without any evidence and people are like "this is so funny" "popcorn time" etc. WTF?
Well, it is the internet culture - accusations without proof and Hikaru is not ashamed to feed the online mob.
Maybe time for an update, everyone was so fast to have an opinion and now it's a bit silent.
You know the typical behaviour of an online mob. And Hikaru is feeding them nicely...
@@christianmayer7432 Agree, Hans got booty blasted by the mob, Hikaru and Magnus need to apologise for their baseless suspicions
@@michaelcarroll5801 Either Niemann is guilty for real, then he should be banned for life from tournaments, or he is innocent.
Either way, Magnus and Hikaru have to present solid proof for their accusations and insinuations, anything other than that would be - in context of their standing in the chess world - unfair and despicable towards Niemann whose reputation and career might be tarnished for good.
As long as no proof is presented, the verdict should be: In dubio pro reo.
I really hate this mob behaviour by great parts of the chess community (unfortunately the whole internet culture has this problem) that is accusing without giving solid proof.
That post game interview tells all 15:00 - âthis is not 2700 level analysisâ - Hansâ analysis does not match his play, he sounds so guilty at 21:15
The play today wasn't gm play either.
Everyone was shaken and distracted. Relax
of course not he is 3600 rating
He sounds so guilty, such a dumb comment, cant let someone win and raise to the ocation, always on the ground against the ground. Fuck yall
Interviews say it all. As soon as he was asked about a position he immediately looked uncomfortable and first responded with an evasive comment and then couldn't for the life of him coherently explain literally anything. How the hell does that not make all the GMs go WTF
It does make them all go WTF. But there isnt any conclusive hard proof he cheated, so they cant actually say anything conclusive until evidence comes out. But a lot of top players are extremely suspicious. They just dont have the evidence to do anything about it, and you cant just ban someone off suspicion alone.
What are you talking about? Bizarro comment section and video. He responded very calmly and normally. Maybe his analysis wasn't top notch because he was tired from focusing on games all day.
All this accusatory shit, but I'm not seeing a single suspicious item.
Brother how would u feel if u r the one accused to cheating !?
@@stefantrkulja1978 well I mean, it's literally your game and the moves you should have thought during the game.. it isn't hard for top players to explain their thought process even if they are tired. So yeah it's not a proof or anything but it does seem suspicious at the very least
After a game the adrenaline is still running and usually top playerd have no trouble to explain what they thought during the game.
"this guy that just went up 200 points fast af is not doing analysis like a guy at 2700!!!!"
Almost like he's new to doing analysis at this level? Weird?
Great point đ
People want their cake and they want to eat it. âHeâs not good enough to beat Magnus, but he has to give analysis to show heâs good enough to win.â
You don't get to 2700 without playing thousands of hours of chess, without doing thousands of hours of prep and discussion and analysis. You're taking Hikarus words too literally. This wasn't even a 2000 level analysis .
@@aw98000 yeah, I guess you're right. Anyone at that level should be able to beat the world champion and then turn around and give a perfect analysis and interview. Yup. No exceptions. Lolollll
The interview with the board was more than suspicious. Even if he was stressed out, he looked guilty as hell
Stress makes someone look very guilty, I think he may be legit, we have no evidence against
@@sethblvck do you have a book?
@@sethblvck "I'd be a little nervous too" no you'd probably be doing everything you can to prove you're innocent. You'd probably go into insane details in post game analysis to demonstrate your competency.
People like you are what we call fools. You help others without helping yourself.
No,he looked half drunk, very obvious..Look again and think again?
I don't think people understand how alarming this is. It's not about this famous tourney or even the fact that Carlsen withdrew. If it turns out people can cheat at this level, Chess itself is getting killed.
Not really, cheating at that level is not easy; unnatural moves and analysis scream at super gms.
if he is cheating, Magnus caught him before he could do much
@@postyoda1623 bring your opponent to a well know endgame when the evaluation is 0.0 and then (somehow) turn stockfish on and make the world chess champion looks dumb like a beginner player. Done!
It's not alarming because nobody cheated.
Not easy but I'm sure there are ways with tech today. Tiny inner ear mic device implant? Or perhaps a chip buried in your skin which can be remotely controlled to send minor electric shocks? Could have someone watching an engine sending x amount of shock waves to indicate piece to be moved followed by a 10 second pause, then x amount of shocks that correspond with a target square or something like that. Sure, may sound complicated but certainly doable if someone is determined and creative enough. I mean I came up with 2 ideas in a minute having essentially zero knowledge or research of undetectable communication devices. Don't know if what I mentioned is doable but you get the point...
Hans Niemann had no comment.
His chess spoke for him.
More like his terrible analysis of his game with Alireza, for me that was more suspicious than the game with Magnus. His train of thought is not there, he is hiding something.
Alejandro is speechless by Hans' impeccable chess theory đ
acoustic treatment in your room would go a long way in enhancing your audio quality.
Figuring out how to cheat over the board might be more impressive than beating Magnus
How new are you to chess?
@@donquixote8462 I'm actually curious. How does one cheat over the board?
@@Saraf2202 the last famous case was Rausis. He hid a cellphone in the bathroom and constantly go there to check the engine.
Buddy had an earpiece hidden in that big ass afro.
Absolutely. These guys are screened for electronic devices too .
If he were sick or a personal reason, I canât see why he wouldnât say. The fact he wonât comment suggests there is certainly a reason enough for him to pull out. He sounds frustrated.
That was my thought, in that exact interview he posted jose was on about cheating.
Either magnus thinks hans was cheating or he's been sent on a c.i.a black ops mission...
The problem is i can easily imagine magnus planning a masterfull battleplan while holding a gun so i guess it's to early to tell.
Hans post game interview was one of the most suspicious things ever
How could he had cheated?
@@ruddyminaya7273 the big theory is that magnusâ prep was leaked
By his team or by a hack of some sort is the question. But leaked prep is much more likely than an engine assistance in game.
@@augustuscaeser5895 Dosen't the best preparation from both sides leads to a draw?
Niemann looks like Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins during their first press conference after "coming back" from the Moon
When You were discussing Patrycja Waszczuk some time ago, You didn't see her interviews, since they were in polish, but they were so similar to what Hans is saying, and the way they speak, I don't know if Hikaru has anyone who would translate from polish for him, but then again, I think he knows examples in english as well, to have a comparison.
Yes! It would be interesting just to analize the body language
Interesting how normally the post game interviews are usually more about exploring the GM's thoughts and insights and more interview oriented. This one felt much more like a test that Hans was desperately failing.
It's definitely not evidence of cheating, but the whole thing looks a little off / suspicious.
Hats off to the interviewer for really grilling Hans on his lines. Interviewer was well prepared and quick on his feet.
Even Ali Reza couldnât keep up with the lines the commentators brought up. its only suspicious if youâre suspicious to begin with
I mean Alejandro is having him analyze complex variations at the engine level in a matter of seconds and just bc some arent correct its taken as suspicion he cheated? If you watch any game recaps that Hikaru does he does this all the time. Heâll say âoh I thoght about this but i thought thsi move this move and this move were good for whiteâ and then the engine says -2 or whatever. Its totally normal. If Super GMs could analyze variations in critical moments like these in seconds than every game would be a draw
@@MrJoosebawkz I am about 2000 and couldn't keep up either of course. I am relying solely on Hikaru's analysis and the fact that Hans' analysis was straight up bad according to the computer. It's not necessarily a big deal to have poor post-game analysis. He just happens to be under scrutiny right now. Likely nothing will come of this whole saga.
@@pintsofwatermelon5665 idk i hope not. bc i mean⊠I hope a full investigation is done and either they find evidence of Hans cheating or everybody (including Magnus) apologizes. As it stands nobody even needs to prove that Hans cheated for him to never be invited to a top tournament for the rest of his life. Even the president of FIDE is making jokes as if its confirmed he cheated. With this kind of fervor, the FIDE president acting as if he 100% cheated, and Magnus probably deciding to refuse to play at a tournament that Hans competes in, if no evidence comes out and nobody apologizes then Hansâ career is officially over. The worst part is it is actually impossible to prove you didnt cheat.
@@MrJoosebawkz Well Alejandro was out-analyzing him and is significantly lower rated. Also, this is a game they literally just played and all his ideas proved to be incorrect. Alone it wouldn't be suspicious. In the current context it is simply something to consider, and perhaps in retrospect it could be come more. I will reserve judgement on the cheating allegations until more information comes out. But yes, the interview comes across as a little dodgy. I think you're being overly defensive when I haven't accused him of anything - just pointed out irregularities in the interview.
16:08 wow i looked up the computer analysis, it is -3.7 for black after white moves the bishop to h6. Also hikaru was right that rook e8 is the best move for black.
the collapse of whites position (-2.6) for white begins right after the move f4 (14:57).
looks like Hans was absolutely clueless in his analysis
And it took only seconds for Hikaru to correctly evaluate the position and find the lines.
@@berniecat8756 Which makes sense, he's legitimately a good player
@@Losevaiper Crazy that someone who beat magnus in extremely deep lines couldn't analyze this correctly
And he's 2700! Looked like an 1800 analyzing the position.
@@Losevaiper crazy right someone who beats Magnus can't analyse this position and also he is running away from analysing he kept saying it's game over game over I am completely winning while evaluation is -3.5 the point is he never calculated other lines in the game he knows only the line he played in the game someone who doesn't how to play in this simple position beats magnus
The difference in tension between the two interviews is very noticable holy cow.
"You guys might think its impressive
but Im always striving for more"
I LOST IT
Few people noticed (Naka mentioned) that the engine was turn it off on the analysis board just before Niewnman's interview. With Aronian was turned on, and basically on every interview on the tournament.
Why?
@@Metso-ateco Turning off the engine so you could hear his thoughts without him being able to see the engine lines and analysis. Interestingly, when this happened, he went down a line that he thought was completely winning for white, but if you check the engine it shows that he is completely lost in that position, which shows that he didn't properly understand the Qg3 move in the first place. In other words, he played an engine move in Qg3 at a relatively fast speed based purely on faulty intuition (or he cheated), and it happened to be the strongest move in the position. The move was so strong that Alireza couldn't understand it, couldn't crack it, and didn't even want to take the Knight that Hans was sacrificing simply because he assumed that Hans saw something that Alireza couldn't see.
@@Metso-ateco because by having the engine on Hans would have had the moves in front of him to say that he calculated them i assume, making for a more plausible narrative
@@Metso-ateco there's always a reason behind your every moves, so without the engine turn on u already know what kind a threats or trick u have for ur opponent, so u instantly able to explain ur move
@@Metso-ateco so that Hans can show that he can do analysis without engine
"Who cares about quality, results is what people remember" I wonder what kind of person has such mindset.
A cheaterđ
Very convenient how he's very quiet today regarding the topic after Hans post game interview today đ€
So that's why he was saying "the chess speaks for itself", because he has no balls to try to explain engine moves.
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Hereâs my plagiarized take - Iâm betting Magnus and his inner circle have had suspicions since the FTX Crypto Cup (possibly before), specifically his game against Hans. The cheating wouldâve involved the leak of prep, not computer assistance, which would be nearly impossible to get away with. He decided to test this theory this time by preparing an obscure line he had never played before, and his suspicions were confirmed.
He subsequently withdrew from the tournament, not out of saltiness from losing to Hans, but because he now knew with near certainty that there was a leak within this camp (and whoâs to say that the leaker hadnât leaked to others as well?).
Everyone is focusing on Hans in all of this, but to me, the drastic reaction by Magnus is more indicative of an ongoing betrayal by someone he trusted rather than just being enraged at having been cheated by Hans. As others have pointed out, if Magnus suspected that Hans had computer assistance then there is no upside to withdrawing as heâd never be able to prove it. The only reason to do so is because he believes there is a continuing possibility of losing to others that have received his prep.
Then there is the issue of the post-game interviews. There are a lot of people that I think are dismissing them as having no evidentiary value, but I think there are just too many red flags (of course, none of them rising to the level of âproofâ). The attention that has been given to him miscalculating lines when challenged by Alejandro Ramirez I think is misplaced - I think that is much more likely due to him being rattled by feeling the heat of suspicion rather than him being a ~2400 player playing at a 2800 level because of computer assistance.
Ironically, the scenario that I think is most likely is that Hans has actually made huge strides in his chess game lately, but was overcome by the temptation of the opportunity to look at Magnusâs prep. The truly damning thing that I think he said (again, not proof, but as close to a smoking gun as youâll get) was his comment that âby some miracleâ he had looked at that exact line before the game by chance. This is something you often see in guilty people - they know that theyâre guilty, and because they know that, they think they need to address every possible avenue of questioning as soon as possible to establish their alibi/narrative, when in reality they never needed to even broach the topic as it only looks more suspicious.
All the other weird behaviors are probably due to him crumbling under the heat - the accent, the rambling, oversupplying information/providing unprompted justifications, miscalculating lines, etc.
But, I think the big takeaway is that from Magnusâs perspective this is not a Hans issue but an issue with his team. Only scenario that I think fits the facts. Hansâ nervous behavior, in combination with the actions that Magnus has taken certainly amounts to a preponderance of evidence for me. The idea that Magnus is just salty about losing to Hans doesnât have any credibility with me, sure he has an ego, but it doesnât fit the larger established pattern of his behavior.
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Thank you for this explanation!
Very well put and thought out. The only thing I knew with absolute certainty was that Magnus would have been fuming over Hans post match interview which he would have found very disrespectful (especially when he talked about his behavioural mannerisms and having tics). Everything else of course is just speculation and as a former top GM is driving me completely mad as I just donât know what to think!!
I assume youâre not watching youtube on your phone, like I am, cause if you typed this with your fingers I salute you!
damn imagine copying a 7 paragraph comment word by word
This is simply an incredible moment in chess history.
nah, i prefer other moments back in the 90s 80s and 70s.
@@albertmartinez9882 Ok boomer
@@albertmartinez9882 The word incredible endows no preference, but you are talking about another century.
@@albertmartinez9882 just go to sleep grandpa
No
look man the things said upset Hans, you got to remember he is only 19. His interview you could tell he was totally upset to the point of nearly breaking down. An apology would be the right thing to do unless you have clear evidence that he cheated, which I don't think you do.
Agree, same with Magnus. Don't know why they would do this to him, even if he was cheating you deal with it professionally i.e. discreetly (not jumping on twitter and milking scandal for youtube content)
if it was his first offend maybe. he got caught cheating multiple time already afaik
â@@shiiiitstain He admitted to cheating once in a cash tourney online when he was 12 and again at 16 in random online games. Not over the board which really is a lot different. Also he was 12 the first time, so it's not really fair..
@@shiiiitstain The times he cheated where naive and dumb and equivalent to like copying your friend's homework because you forgot to do it last night. The insinuations here are like he devised a plan to cheat on the SATs in a locked down test center with dozens of cameras watching your every move.
Lol no
Bro lost to Jack Harlow
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Svidler: âthis is not great.â Understatement of the year!
Not great, not terrible.
@@LeonardGMN 90%of otb chess excitement stems from magnus. I am no 1000 elo player,but even i fanboy the heck out of magnus. Tournaments feel bland without him
Magnus suspected that there was a mole - a leaker - in his inner circle, someone very close to him. So he prepped an obscure line he had never played before, and his suspicions were confirmed when Hans fell for the trap - Hans admitted in the post game interview that it was "a miracle" that he prepped for that opening in the morning prior to the game - yeah sure. Magnus did not bolt the tournament because he lost a game - he stormed out due to his feelings of a supreme betrayal. In time - we will find out who his Judas was - Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 silver coins.
Honestly great theory. I donât know how prep works at the top level, does anyone know if there would actually be others in his âinner circleâ in on what heâs prepping?
@@zeusthedrumlord547 top players have teams to work with on prep
@@zeusthedrumlord547 yes they have other chess masters helping... called as "seconds"
Tbh, it's the most satisfying theory so far in my views
I found it very sus when he said what a miracle he played this line
Isn't it time for magnus camp to clarify?
No matter how much I turn the volume down, Hikaru is still shouting
I've been seeing clips repeatedly on this stream and I'm so happy this was uploaded so quickly!
1. When Magnus accuses you of cheating, you're either a super genius or you're cheating. 2. If you're a super genius, you can probably explain the thought process that you used in the game you just played, considering every other less-genius GMs can do it. 3. Hans has a long history of cheating online. Now I'm not saying he's cheating, I'm just saying he's definitely cheating.
If he was a super genius, his analysis wouldnât have crumbled under the lightest of scrutiny
How can you cheat in front of a camera and after being tested for radio waves throughout your whole body??
â@@nestorv7627 It's been done before (I believe)
@@nestorv7627 If he only cheated against Magnus he could've gotten away with it as there was no suspicion beforehand.
@@nestorv7627 The suggestion ive seen people throwing around is leaked prep.
If he knew magnus's prep ahead of time, he can just play into that prep, and then do his OWN prep once he reaches the end of magnus's prep. This means Magnus would be fighting an engine for 15+ turns after his own prep ends.
In the hands of a legitimate 2600-2700, this would be incredibly difficult to win even for Magnus. Add to that the few Mistakes Magnus made, and, its pretty easy to see how he would lose in this position.
He would have had no way to gain advantage at all in teh first like, 30-40 moves as his prep was completely figured out, and he wouldve had to fight engine prep for another 15 or so moves AFTERWARDS which means no chances to gain advantage.
And any mistake he made may throw off that additional prep, but then he's just flat out worse against a 2600-2700 player and that may be enough for them to convert.
And this type of cheating wouldnt require any on site cheating. No pocket engine, no secret signal from a buddy, nothing. Its all done at home using memorized engine lines because you already knew what your opponent would play ahead of time giving you a massive advantage.
An additional plus side too is that the game feels much more human, because once you have the advantage, the game returns to a 2600-2700 who just has an advantageous position vs a 2860, but still has to actually convert.
So did he cheat? no idea. But cheating in this way would definitely be possible.
The round 4 post mortem analysis was super sus . He was flustered as heck
Witch-hunting a 19 year old sure is fun. Sure is fun to see him come out in an interview today pouring out his emotion calling out everyone that implied he's a cheater destroying his reputation.
He is a proven cheater, he can cry all he wants
@@tomatoisnotafruit5670 two online game at 12 and 16..he didn't get to 2700 with all cheating OTB..ahhaha. really?
His analysis of his OWN games is shocking!
He is analysis like me when Iâm 1800 rated
"Obviously I played this perfectly, I'm just winning here" "it must be +1.5 for white" (engine shows +1) "let it run and it will probably show +2 even" (engine keeps running without changing) seriously his arrogance is astounding
@@Kayrim_Borlan At 16:00 with "zero chance for black", its actually -3,86 (according to stockfish 15 at 37 depth) after Re8.
@@Kayrim_Borlan ok in this specific case he might actually be correct. in middle game positions its not unusual to see engines start with a small but undecisive advantage of +1 then boom to infinity with higher depth.
His analysis is super suspicious, i mean for sure he is a strong player but he is evaluating positions very incorrectly, like his train of thought doesnt flow naturally when he is trying to analyze, and i also see him a bit tense during the analysis.
I guess . Hans sudden wins in the tournament made magnus suspicious thatâs why magnus played a random line to bait hans. Now with hans playing a perfect preperation game against a line that is random that shows something. Well this is just my guess.
This would make a lot of sense maybe that was the proving point for Magnus that he is cheating but he still had no way to prove it so he just withdrew.
yes and hikaru based it all on that .. and said there is no played game in the database that does that move so it was cheating..but hikaru was wrong..it is in the database..look it up! As proven by other GMs regarding this. oh shock horror..hikaru and magnus were wrong..they are GODs lol.
hikaru is salty too. If he can't beat magnus he sure as shit doesn't want Hans to be able to beat him lol
imagine being that insecure you'd believe this. your projection is on point.
ya exactly... that is how I recognize the behavior numb nuts ohh wait its Ballskin I'm talking to, apologies
Once a cheat, always a cheat.
16:07 Checked with stockfish and Hikaru is right. After Re8 it says -2.8 in blacks favor
the difference between alireza and hans in interviews. talent and humility vs unwarranted arrogance
Alireza is really growing up, love to see it
"In May 2021, during a live stream, Niemann drew controversy by refusing to pay $10 to enter a tournament for charity, insisting he should be able to play for free as a grandmaster. He was then offered a 50% discount at $5, but he still refused. Niemann was derided by online commentators and by the press."
I guess his moral backbone speaks for itself...
Just from these interviews you can see he is an egotistical ass and he has been caught cheating twice already, he definitely didn't learn from those mistakes.
Or he might be Jewish
Guys he cheated when he was outside and looked at the cloud formations tht told him magnuses prep.
The thing which does not make any sense to me is how did Hans decided to sac a FULL PIECE without properly calculating how to proceed after that against 2750+ player whose name is Alireza Firouzja. If you are trying to make that sac work and you think that it intuitively makes sense, even then you calculate just to make sure that it actually works and the line he told them doesn't work. When I checked bxh6 g6 f4 qe7 bg5 qc5+ kh2 bd8 bh6 re8, Hans shared this line in the interview, the engine says black is winning -3.9 and Hans believes that white is better. Hikaru immediately said that after Re8 black has to be better. If Hans is in a very good shape in this tournament then why the hell his evaluation is completely wrong. To make a move like Qg3, you have to calculate enough to know the best moves and Hans clearly demonstrated that he didn't know the best moves and then proceeded to make Qg3 anyways. Either he is extremely lucky that whatever random intuitive moves he is playing is the top engine move or something suspicious is going on. And I really don't think so that one can arbitrarily make Qg3 which was engine's best move but without calculating properly.
Thanks for your analysis, that confirms it: heâs cheating.
As Alireza said himself: âQg3 was insaneâ
@@nextgenpromotion3542 but how though?
@@manzinin1070 Iâm being completely sarcastic. I highly doubt Hans is cheating and any coincidence or speculation from these youtube âpsychologistsâ is completely baseless and mostly pure confirmation bias. Chess world owes hans a major apology after this if it turns out to be untrue.
Yes it is very suspicious. It's crazy how a human can sac a piece and claim a long term compensation, strangle the opponent and make them unable to move. It is very stockfish-esque. So he's either a genius or stockfish. Legally of course it's innocent until proven guilty but you don't need a super gm to use tautology and connect the dot to understand something is very suspicious.
Just saying.. if it turns out Hans was nĂłt cheating, EVERYONE that even hinted at that should publicly apologise to him.
Why? There's good reason for us to suspect it...
@@ruinenlust_ Everyone without proof should apologize already. We canât have allegations with no proof. Where is the proof? As far as I could tell Magnus simply didnât play well in a game. This whole thing is stupid.
False accusations (and inferences like Magnus's) are so damaging. Apologies are indeed the barest minimum to repair it.
I don't think they should, Hans created this situation by cheating with the engine multiple times in online tournaments, if people are sus about his sudden improvements no matter if they are legit or not, he can only blame himself.. In germany we have a nice saying "Wer einmal lĂŒgt dem glaubt man nicht, und wenn er auch die Wahrheit spricht", which means if you lie once noone will believe you even if you tell the truth.
And I feel like Magnus doing this for the first time in his career seems to extremely certain that Hans actually cheated. I think if he wasn't at very least 99.9% certain he wouldn't have decided to not play the game. I think if Hans is actually the upcoming chess god and suddenly massively improved his play then he will prove it with his consistent play over the next months. Hopefully without more of his online accounts being banned for cheating.
Reality is that we know with hard proof that Hans is a cheater, the question is only if he is doing it over the board too or if he only ever did it online.
@@teslaheini3169 Hans didn't exactly shy away from those unfortunate situations, when he was a child. It's a bit unfair to assume he cheated somehow over the board, without evidence of some mysterious mind reading technology. Jumping on the silly bandwagon of Hans-haters, simply because Magnus was butt hurt, makes everyone look just as childish.
The 15 minute delay is a very good cheating countermeasure. Any engine cheating would need to be supplied moves. It is most likely that an accomplice enters them from the feed.
Bell of shame:
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Unlike other CZcamsrs who just paint the whole picture grey with a broad brush I like Hikaru has the guts to point out the issue upfront backing it with serious concerns like Hans past and his dubious interviews! Nobody is accusing Hans of cheating baselessly but as a chess fan this issue definitely needs serious discussion
@@meghanm6282 I was hearing stuff like Leaked Prep. This could definitely make sense. It could give you an advantage far deeper into the game than your opponent's prep lasts as you already know what theyre going to play for their opening. So you can prep for the board states after their prep runs out allowing you to prep much deeper than normally possible.
this doesnt guarantee a win by any means, but add onto that the person being a legitimate GM around 2600, as well as Magnus not playing the greatest, and its definitely possible to pull a win out from him.
And this style of cheating wouldnt require any on site cheating as its all prep.
The bigger question at that point would be how the prep actually got leaked. But these are sometimes pretty big and involved teams handling the prep. Its def possible that it gets leaked.
Now is that what actually happened? Who knows. Nothing is proven, and for the moment, its just a thing ive seen some people say. no hard evidence its actually true.
So for the time being, this win is going to be treated as legitimate. But people have their eyes close on Hans now so we'll see if that changes anything. If he was cheating, he's going to find it quite difficult to continue doing so from now on. If his rating takes a massive hit in the upcoming year and he's struggling quite a lot to stay above 2650, then it may very well be the case he was cheating. However, if his results stay consistent and he keeps his 2700 rating, then the suspicion was probably wrong and he probably was legit. Time will tell.
"Nobody is accusing Hans of cheating baselessly" except Hikaru ofcourse
Nobody is accusing Hans of cheating baselessly???? Are you blind??? Literally 95% of this comment section and the chess public is accusing him of cheating with NO EVIDENCE. The professionals and streamers are doing it more ambiguously but most chess fans are jumping on a lynch mob.
Hans should get a top New York lawyer and sue.
I came straight here from Levy's video. Not because I don't trust Levy, but because he is not adequately qualified to make an assessment (no disrespect, but IM is not GM). Hikaru is. It is not a question of guts, it is a question of standing as an expert.
As a side-note to the drama, I really liked Alireza's interview.
He's down-to-earth, honest, and humble. Pretty much the opposite of Hans.
Absolutely!
@Neuromancer he's cradling a small egg in his mouth, soon there will be a baby bird coming out!
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The opposite of Hans yes, but a bit boring tho. I miss the fighting spirit in Alireza
All young players are getting pressured by the media and the top old guard... It says all to be honest.. All envious baboons of the young up coming players.
World Chess Champion is making all time history with his rating. Honestly allowing someone who has been accused twice in the past and is giving weird vibes; suspicious play is enough
as a 1500 player that has watched a lot of high level interview and analysis i can honeslty say the analysis hans niemann gave was super weird and unusual to me
Lol so proud
What a gift to have someone at Hikaru's level able to shed clarity on this
Hikaru said nothing
One "brings clarity *to* " something and "sheds light *on* " something.
@@gaboelexo 'hans analysis is not 2700 analysis, presentator(alejandro) is outplaying him'.
That's what hiki said
@@harnageaa Because Alejandro is using an engine ofcourse his analysis would be beter, no?
@@gaboelexo lmao
I'm starting to think that once you're caught cheating, as an adult, whether online or over the board, you should be persona non grata in chess.
Bobby Fischer mode is now fully activated
It's been mentioned and I think it's worth acknowledging, that perhaps Magnus withdrew because he thinks his prep was compromised, not that Hans cheated. This would also explain why he's not clarified, because the trouble he wants to avoid is the reason for his prep being compromised slipping away from whatever internal investigation is going on within his camp to figure out how.
Hans' interview does look a little sussy, but he's young and could be nervous from the weight of his career hanging on the quality of the interview he gives.
If nothing else, from past cheating we know he's not ethically above using leaked prep info to gain an advantage, even if he won't engine cheat in person.
Of course, maybe he just gave a shit interview, didn't cheat and Magnus played poorly and is offline because a loved one got sick and took a turn for the worse after the game. Any number of reasons to argue that Hans is completely clean and having his career smeared for no reason. Still guilty of crimes against fashion for the shoe-suit combo, though.
If Magnus had a personal reason for withdrawing, he wouldn't have put the video of Mourinho saying "if I say something, I'm in trouble"
@@n1te Absolutely. Magnus' tweet is implying that he believes something foul is happening, but doesn't have evidence to prove it. However, I don't think it's right to assume it's all on Niemann without hard evidence, especially at Hikaru's level of popularity. Even if Hans has a history and is acting sketchy, making accusations like this could potentially expose you to a defamation suit if nobody can prove he was cheating.
@@nyurgh1139 Well his online soldiers have been after Hans for 2 days now. Not a nice thing to do letting this happen if he really doesn't think Hans cheated. Magnus should really come forward and say he didn't think Hans cheated (if Magnus himself think so), the guy is playing one really important tournament. Just watched his interview and you can really see he was very disappointed with this situation. What ever is the reason (that he got caught or didn't do anything and Magnus, Hikaru and online soldiers are after him).
do you really think he cares about the quality of his interviews with "chess speaks for itself"?
@@nyurgh1139 there is not going to be any defamation suit cause if you noticed no one from chess players to chess officials has actually accused Hans of anything yet.
The fact that Hans canât seem to analyze concretely seems rather suspicious. Top GMs have an extremely clear way of talking about variations when playing. I donât see that at all in this scenario.
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Even if he is cheating, he is also an elite player (2500 minimum and probably better). Its more likely that he just was tired and excited and wasnât thinking 100% clearly in the interview.
@@augustuscaeser5895 so because he is an elite player he has the right to cheat???
@@almodatheryasser6471 wtf are you on about? He just said that even if he cheated he could put a better performance on the analysis. Wich I disagree, it is very hard to made some explanations on the spot and was prob surprised that there was no engine evaluation, and the interviewer tried to trick him. But absolutely no one implied that he has the right to cheat?
@@almodatheryasser6471 go back to elementary school and learned some comprehensive reading (or don't comment on the internet)... đ€Š No one said he's allowed to cheat just because he's a "chess elite"...
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"
Hans is a sussy fellow, his attitude, his inflated ego, his crave for recognition, his meteoric rise, his history of cheating. There's clearly something very odd and fake about him.
From a chess perspective, Magnus thinks he's cheating, Hikaru thinks he's cheating, and Ian thinks he's cheating. These guys have been at the top of the chess world for god knows how many years. Although they're only educated guesses (at the moment), they're VERY educated guesses coming from chess authorities.
The fun part is, since cheaters are like drug addicts, greedy and stupid, we might see many other incredible and inexplicable performances from Hans.
If Hans is a cheat there are two options, he continues doing that and he will be caught at a certain time or he stops and goes back to his normal level. I suspect going back will be difficult to do considering his ego.
The most damming proof for me didn't make the video, and is the fact that hans said in the interview about Magnus's game that Magnus played g6 in a nimzo in whatever game amd that he prepared it the day before. Hukaru checked it ok stream and Magnus has never played that position. Case closed
The interview for the Alireza game he seems really weird, totally misevaluating the position multiple times and it's always in his favor, there is something seriously wrong with this picture lol
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Not to mention the fake accent.
He seems like an extremely weird person (and that's a best-case scenario).
If âFake it âtil you make itâ was a person
what do you have to say today Hikaru? no comment?
We laugh, but this is deadly serious. We need to be 100% sure that nobody can get away with cheating at top level OTB chess. Or else chess is ruined đ
Maybe Magnus is just washed
@@dylanhurley1120 Even if Magnus was washed (which heâs not), the fact that Hans proposed ideas that Alireza didnât even see leaving him dumbfounded while Hans going âwell itâs obviousâ and not even telling us why isâŠ..weird, to say the least
Also remember that Hans has been caught cheating before - twice nonetheless.
magnus is just washed, and Hikaru is in disbelief. Hans is obviously real deal.
No need to be so dramatic. People have cheated at chess before. It's not easy to pull off
(Except for doping, that one's easy)
Itâs so strange because even if Hans is playing clean, his interviews are pretty bizarre and donât speak of a player at his level. He canât even accurately identify completely winning positions. Thatâs unheard of for grandmasters. So Iâm really curious to see what more comes of this situation either way
@Dr.S Hikaru said that he couldnât identify winning positions. You donât have to be 2700 to take note of what an actual super GM says, genius.
He's an anxious 19 year old being accused of cheating against the world champion and witch hunted by the internet, how well do you expect him to articulate
You've clearly never been around a bunch of chess nerds, most of them are terrible public speakers, e.g. Carlson.
@@nazimdjoudi9517 this is certainly a factor. But what happens when people get accused and witch hunted?
They go to their comfort zone.
Think about it. When you get accused of lying in a convo, you go to what you are comfortable with. Facts you know are true. Stuff like this.
A chess player with this sort of chess ability, their comfort zone should be chess. Why can he not play chess in this analysis?
Plus he was / is a streamer. He should be able to âsocialiseâ. Especially when itâs about chess.
The fact he canât justify what he played when he literally just played it is very odd.
Something is amiss
That's a really good point.
Any chance of doing a âthrough the levels challenge where each level makes 1 move where one side starts with highest and the other side the lowest and see how that game evolves? Catch is you donât know who made the move just the last move made.
It is really shameful to see GMs like these accusing and taking a toll on Hans. These GM's who should try to act mature and investigate the depth of the matter are just Gaslighting social media. His accent changes..wtf does it have to do with the game? Hans might have actually worked hard enough to beat magnus and just because "the world champion" here lost 9 rating points and withdrew without any reason we started suspecting Hans. If Magnus didn't withdrew would we have suspected Hans? Imagine how it would feel to work so hard to get where u are and then three people (yk who) and their decision ruin your whole career... Hans was on the verge of crying in his interview. Instead of speculation shouldn't we ask magnus why he left? I mean why is he afraid of speaking.. he's the world champ a man whose one unelaborate text ruins others careers who is he afraid of? I really respected these GM's but ig i shouldn't
It's content dude + it's a board game; even if they make you wear a suit to play it. don't be so serious. If Hans didn't cheat then everything is gucci and he can take it as a compliment.
@@Zultchy It doesn't matter if it's a board game or something else, it's the same as accusing other athletes of using doping without evidence.
True, i think this is getting out of hand
Don't you think that it's weird the fact a 2700 GM can't explain why he sacrificed a piece and fails to analyze the game properly? I mean, he was stuttering and not analysing at all. He couldn't even explain the lines or variations. In what universe a 2700 sacrifices a piece without calculating the variations? This is at very least very weird
Exactly
16:30 Why is Hans thinking of the moves DURING the post-game interview? All this should have been thought out during the game. He should be reciting the moves in rapid fire fashion already like other Grandmasters.
It seems pretty suspicious, especially when you see how confidant Hikaru is about what a 2700 analysis is like. Hans can't even keep up with Hikaru. I bet this guy gets caught.
You're trying so hard to paint him as a cheater with literally no proof
@@Spiffo0 u r grinding ur ass to defend him >? no proof? have u heard of implications and derived reasonings?? u cant evaluate at a 2700 ur own game u just played and u think u could beat magnus? What is ur reasoning for hans explosive gameplay when his evaluation is worse than a 2400
I know one thing Hikaru. This witch hunt will, in the long term, backfire. You are simply trying to bully another player for not acting as you suppose he should act.
e.g. you are ridiculing Hans for saying he thinks it's a better position while it's -0.3. I want to bet that out of 100 positions at -0.3, you'll never get more than 60/100 correct. Firouzja didn't see a 0.9 advantage on move 35 against Niemann. Maybe you should ridicule him as well...
Imagine keeping this video up while acting innocent.
super GM (this is the title) Nakamura.. enjoyed every bit of your broadcast 21:51 tensions can be perceived
The difference here is that Magnus himself withdrew from the tournament altogether, something he has never ever done in his whole career although he, of course, has already lost to players rated vastly below his own elo. He wouldn't do anything of the sort unless he's quite confident there's some kind of weird stuff happening, and he's the damn best-qualified person in the world to be aware of such a thing, as far as I'm concerned. Especially since he all but said so, be it for legal, fairplay concerns, I don't know and don't really care, but it's so clearly implied that it leaves very little to doubt or imagination.
In the absence of definite and damning evidence, "innocent until proven guilty". oh well, is it really just people freaking out because Magnus lost to a 2700...
Magnus played some shit moves in this game, and Hans missed chances to win the game on the spot. Go watch Hikaru's own analysis of the game.
Magnus may be having a mental breakdown... It happens...
@@xgcdarkninja911 had he already started the tournament or was it pre-tournament? Can you specify which one?
Heâs lost to other players(like esipenko) lower rated and congratulated them. Never said anything bad. Obviously this is different
@@KravMagoo So?
Shame on you Hikaru...
was this reposted? as I remember this kind of video where Hikaru just fully jumped on cheater conclusion, which Hans actually used in his interview to say that Hikaru is wrong. Now it looks like Hikaru is on neutral side, was this a quick reedit of last video?
Hans analysis on his own games tells everything we need to know.
The interview spoke for itself.
I think several Hans defenders here are too charitable when they apparently forget that this was Hans' own game. And it's not like it was a bullet or blitz game. He had a ton of time to calculate every line during the actual game. It was kind of shocking seeing Hikaru having a better general grasp of the game when he reacted immediately to the respective board position.
Can we know for sure? Of course not but it just seems strange.
@@sargeteg5927 exactly
Iâm cracking up watching Hikaru laugh about all the comments and interviews over this whole fiasco. Awesome drama! đ
What is your argument against his transposition explanation? That while this move order was novel for magnus but it was common for him to come near this position through other openings?
How would you even cheat in chess in a live setting