Well done Mike. You are using the same setup I’m using. I do need to make my gauge blocks still. But I do love my CBN on a slow speed grinder. I appreciate your comment that the Pro-Edge is a fine piece of equipment but that a grinder gives more flexibility. I’ve thought the same since the Pro-Edge came out and everybody started calling it the game changer. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts that a slow grinder, with CBN wheels, can be every bit as good as a Proedge when care is taken to get the initial setups dialled in. Sometimes the bench grinder can be portrayed as the inferior option but with the Oneway system fitted it does a very thorough job. 👍🏽
another great video Mike, after watching this i went back to your Robo Rest review, which you had high praise for. repeatability every time , with only seconds to alter the angles, compared to the set up for your wolverine platform, it would seem things are going backwards instead of progressing, unless you can buy a platform for all your different grinds. I know the Robo Rest is now unavailable, but you would imagine there would be someone capable of making a similiar set up. You are well respected in the turning world, maybe you could put out some feelers and find a solution and get us out of the dark ages. Will continue to be inspired
Hope you're staying cool there, Mike. I have the Oneway Wolverine system and the Woodcut Tru-Grind (2 grinders) and I have to say I love the Tru-Grind for bowl & spindle gouges. I use the Oneway for scrapers and spindle roughing gouges. Someday I need to invest in CBN wheels. For now, I'm using the white AO wheels (120 grit) for the bowl gouges and standard AO wheels (60 & 80 grit) for the scrapers. I do have the Sturdy Rest platform for the Tru-grind and sometimes use it for skews, etc. Cheers, Greg.
Mike, you just cost me money. Bought a 2nd flat platform, your usage looks to be an incredible time saver. thanks for sharing your knowledge. Using the Rikon SS grinder with 2 cbn's and my only problem was the adjustment of the platform from skew to scraper.
Mike your enthusiasm for the ProEdge led me to purchase one from Ed Oliver plus diamond belt and jigs. I'll stick with the ProEdge now. I bet you return to it.
When I bought my CBN wheels from Woodturners Wonders, Ken recommended 180 and 600 grit wheels since I wasn’t going to do any re-profiling. I generally use the 600 for sharpening.
I got the same recommendation from Woodturners Wonders and have been very happy. I did reprofile a couple of scrapers into a negative rake style and that took a long time on the 180 wheel. But its done now and I only touch it up on the 600.
Hi Phillip, once I achieved the bevel angle I require .... measure from the back of the arm basket to the front of the base and cut a stick to that length. Do that for each of your different bevel angles. Then when you next sharpen, the arm will be at the correct place for that particular tool. Hope I explained it well enough fo you. Take care. Mike
Think I'll keep me Proedge, yes it has limitations, but so does everything else. I still have an old bench grinder that I'll use for scrapers just cause a wheel seems to throw a better burr. Cheers Geoff
It must be hot over there, you are wearing shorts and have the fan on...... I never liked the aluminum oxide cleaning sticks. They generate a lot of dust. Most of the time, they are a very hard ALO compared to what we use for sharpening our tools. I keep my wheel clean, even if I ground some soft metal on it, by putting a drop of the Trend lapping fluid on the bevel of the tool I am sharpening. If you try to put it on the wheel, you get a racing stripe on your smock... That and sharpening a couple of scrapers will generally clean it up just fine. If you get a lot of gunk on the wheel from turning sloppy wet wood, you can put it in water with some cleaning solution. soak for an hour or two, and then scrub it off. Hope it cools off for you over there soon...
I'm sure my Pro edge do all you mention there Mike, I still have my old CBN system that I use to save swopping bits around, but I notice you started with CBN wheels , then Pro edge Now back to CBN again
I used to have a RP clone of a Tormek but with all the Tomek jigs. Awful for sharpening gouges, as it wore a grove in the stone which had to be dressed and in no time I ended up an 8" stone after starting out with a new 10". I swapped to a Sorby ProEdge, based on Mike's recommendation and haven't looked back. Mike was extolling the virtues of the Proedge and then using a diamond belt (which I haven't purchased) . I just don't get it why he's gone to this new setup which looks far more fiddly to me. Just what can't you do on a ProEdge?
@@dougbennett1275 I think Mike likes buying new stuff, I'm not knocking him so do I when I can afford it, love his you tube videos & a nice down to earth bloke
@Doug Bennett There are several restrictions on the Pro Edge like the belt is too narrow for acute grinds and the motor housing often gets in the way. Pro Edge a very good set up but .... I wanted to go back to CBNS again to overcome these restrictions, just personal choice mate.
@@MikeWaldt I know what you mean Mike, it's a great machine but slightly flawed in its design. I overcame the restrictions you mentioned by 1. Angling the sharpening assembly to the best position to avoid the motor. 2. Grinding a bit of the shoulder off the gouge jig (fingernail profile kit) 3. Altering the angle of the jig from factory 120 deg. to 100 deg. and scribing a 2nd line for reference. (Just for 35 deg. bevels) I think what would have been a good thing would have been for turners like yourself who help and influence others to approach Sorby and say: you can improve your product by 1. Better instructions to use the existing design for more applications. and 2. Slightly modifying it here and there. I wonder if your pal Ed Oliver (who supplied the machine) agrees and as a dealer has access to Sorby's development team?
Thanks for posting this. I recently bought the same grinder from Simon and it has been very good. I bought a much cheaper jig system, made by a retired engineer, as the budget ran low which is working ok, but it has one or two limitations. I had to take the cover off he cbn side to fit the jig in. Do you top up the edge with a diamond or always go back to the grinder?
I've finally conceded that my old bog standard bench grinder is not the best tool for the job so I ordered a Rutlands water stone grinder (arriving later today so I can't say how it performs yet). Buying online is always a risk. I did find a website called 'Grinder' but that was a bit of a disappointment... bloody misleading if you ask me.
Hi Gav and thank you. It is restrictive if you want to experiment with different grinds as the belt is too narrow, and the motor housing fouls the tool on more acute bevel angles. Cheers Mike
I watched one of your videos 6 months or a year ago in which you advocated for negative rake scrappers, but I noticed that the scrapper in this video isn't NR. Have you gone back to 'regular' scrappers or do you use both types, and if so, what's the criteria for using each one?
I still use NRS just didn't see the need to show them as the method is identical to the scraper .... except you do it twice on each tool. Thanks for watching and your question. Cheers Mike
Well done Mike. You are using the same setup I’m using. I do need to make my gauge blocks still. But I do love my CBN on a slow speed grinder. I appreciate your comment that the Pro-Edge is a fine piece of equipment but that a grinder gives more flexibility. I’ve thought the same since the Pro-Edge came out and everybody started calling it the game changer. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks Doug always appreciate you watching and commenting.
Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts that a slow grinder, with CBN wheels, can be every bit as good as a Proedge when care is taken to get the initial setups dialled in. Sometimes the bench grinder can be portrayed as the inferior option but with the Oneway system fitted it does a very thorough job. 👍🏽
Glad you concur Mark and thanks for watching.
I always learn something new from all your videos. Thank you so much.
Glad you found it of use and thanks for watching.
Mike, thanks for sharing some very interesting tipps that I didn't heard before. Cheers, Martin
Hi Martin and thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing Mike, I will be adding set up blocks to accurately gauge the distance from the wheel to my Wolverine, now.
Hi Ward glad you found the video of interest, and thanks for watching.
another great video Mike, after watching this i went back to your Robo Rest review, which you had high praise for. repeatability every time , with only seconds to alter the angles, compared to the set up for your wolverine platform, it would seem things are going backwards instead of progressing, unless you can buy a platform for all your different grinds. I know the Robo Rest is now unavailable, but you would imagine there would be someone capable of making a similiar set up. You are well respected in the turning world, maybe you could put out some feelers and find a solution and get us out of the dark ages. Will continue to be inspired
I have done just that Danny but alas no joy.
Hope you're staying cool there, Mike. I have the Oneway Wolverine system and the Woodcut Tru-Grind (2 grinders) and I have to say I love the Tru-Grind for bowl & spindle gouges. I use the Oneway for scrapers and spindle roughing gouges. Someday I need to invest in CBN wheels. For now, I'm using the white AO wheels (120 grit) for the bowl gouges and standard AO wheels (60 & 80 grit) for the scrapers. I do have the Sturdy Rest platform for the Tru-grind and sometimes use it for skews, etc. Cheers, Greg.
Hi Greg and thank you for your input, always appreciated mate.
Take care
Mike
Mike, you just cost me money. Bought a 2nd flat platform, your usage looks to be an incredible time saver. thanks for sharing your knowledge. Using the Rikon SS grinder with 2 cbn's and my only problem was the adjustment of the platform from skew to scraper.
Lol ... glad you found the video useful Dutch.
Thank you Mike. Great information. 👍
Thanks Jerry.
I would love to buy the set. will buy one. thank u mike.
Mike your enthusiasm for the ProEdge led me to purchase one from Ed Oliver plus diamond belt and jigs. I'll stick with the ProEdge now. I bet you return to it.
We shall see Peter 😁
Great video Mike. I have the Tormek system of jigs that I really like.
Take care Mike.
Hwyl, Huw
Thanks Huw ... each to their own mate. Thanks for watching.
Pretty neat system Mike.
Thanks Jack.
When I bought my CBN wheels from Woodturners Wonders, Ken recommended 180 and 600 grit wheels since I wasn’t going to do any re-profiling. I generally use the 600 for sharpening.
Thanks for your input Todd much appreciated.
I got the same recommendation from Woodturners Wonders and have been very happy. I did reprofile a couple of scrapers into a negative rake style and that took a long time on the 180 wheel. But its done now and I only touch it up on the 600.
NIcely explained MIke, I like the idea of the measurement stick, I must do that.
Shay
Cheers Shay much appreciated mate. Thanks for the heads up re the title too 😉
@@MikeWaldt Welcome mate, we have all done it 😁
Good tutorial.
Thank you Nathan.
Hi Mike got the same set up would it be possible to give the details of the wood gauge blocks, thanks
Hi Phillip, once I achieved the bevel angle I require .... measure from the back of the arm basket to the front of the base and cut a stick to that length. Do that for each of your different bevel angles. Then when you next sharpen, the arm will be at the correct place for that particular tool. Hope I explained it well enough fo you. Take care. Mike
@@MikeWaldt Thanks Mike much appreciated will do that and measure distance for each bevel angle,
Anytime Phillip.
Great info Mike.
Thank you PJ.
Think I'll keep me Proedge, yes it has limitations, but so does everything else. I still have an old bench grinder that I'll use for scrapers just cause a wheel seems to throw a better burr. Cheers Geoff
Thanks for your input Geoff.
Nice 👍❤️
Thank you.
Good demo Mike
Thanks Barry.
It must be hot over there, you are wearing shorts and have the fan on...... I never liked the aluminum oxide cleaning sticks. They generate a lot of dust. Most of the time, they are a very hard ALO compared to what we use for sharpening our tools. I keep my wheel clean, even if I ground some soft metal on it, by putting a drop of the Trend lapping fluid on the bevel of the tool I am sharpening. If you try to put it on the wheel, you get a racing stripe on your smock... That and sharpening a couple of scrapers will generally clean it up just fine. If you get a lot of gunk on the wheel from turning sloppy wet wood, you can put it in water with some cleaning solution. soak for an hour or two, and then scrub it off. Hope it cools off for you over there soon...
Thanks once more for your valuable input Reed always very much appreciated my friend.
I'm sure my Pro edge do all you mention there Mike, I still have my old CBN system that I use to save swopping bits around, but I notice you started with CBN wheels , then Pro edge Now back to CBN again
I used to have a RP clone of a Tormek but with all the Tomek jigs. Awful for sharpening gouges, as it wore a grove in the stone which had to be dressed and in no time I ended up an 8" stone after starting out with a new 10". I swapped to a Sorby ProEdge, based on Mike's recommendation and haven't looked back. Mike was extolling the virtues of the Proedge and then using a diamond belt (which I haven't purchased) . I just don't get it why he's gone to this new setup which looks far more fiddly to me. Just what can't you do on a ProEdge?
@@dougbennett1275 I think Mike likes buying new stuff, I'm not knocking him so do I when I can afford it, love his you tube videos & a nice down to earth bloke
@Doug Bennett There are several restrictions on the Pro Edge like the belt is too narrow for acute grinds and the motor housing often gets in the way. Pro Edge a very good set up but .... I wanted to go back to CBNS again to overcome these restrictions, just personal choice mate.
Thanks for your kind comments Barry.
@@MikeWaldt I know what you mean Mike, it's a great machine but slightly flawed in its design. I overcame the restrictions you mentioned by 1. Angling the sharpening assembly to the best position to avoid the motor. 2. Grinding a bit of the shoulder off the gouge jig (fingernail profile kit) 3. Altering the angle of the jig from factory 120 deg. to 100 deg. and scribing a 2nd line for reference. (Just for 35 deg. bevels) I think what would have been a good thing would have been for turners like yourself who help and influence others to approach Sorby and say: you can improve your product by 1. Better instructions to use the existing design for more applications. and 2. Slightly modifying it here and there. I wonder if your pal Ed Oliver (who supplied the machine) agrees and as a dealer has access to Sorby's development team?
Thanks for posting this. I recently bought the same grinder from Simon and it has been very good. I bought a much cheaper jig system, made by a retired engineer, as the budget ran low which is working ok, but it has one or two limitations. I had to take the cover off he cbn side to fit the jig in. Do you top up the edge with a diamond or always go back to the grinder?
Hi Phil, I tend to use a diamond card on scrapers and skews, but mainly touch up gouges on the grinder.
12:27 can you use a burnishing tool as well?
Yes you can. Cheers. Mike
I've finally conceded that my old bog standard bench grinder is not the best tool for the job so I ordered a Rutlands water stone grinder (arriving later today so I can't say how it performs yet).
Buying online is always a risk. I did find a website called 'Grinder' but that was a bit of a disappointment... bloody misleading if you ask me.
😅🤣😅🤣😅 Ron. Hope your new set up works well for you.
Nice video Mike. I use a grinder with cbn wheel. What wouldn't the Pro edge do? Cheers, take care
Hi Gav and thank you. It is restrictive if you want to experiment with different grinds as the belt is too narrow, and the motor housing fouls the tool on more acute bevel angles.
Cheers
Mike
Hi Mike, this seems to be your third grinder is there any reason for this? cheers, love your videos 👍
Hi Andy, all the different set ups were good at the time, but ultimately I prefer the CBN set up for flexibility. Cheers. Mike.
That’s good to hear as I’ve just ordered a new grinder and CBN wheel 😊👍 thanks for the reply 👍
@@Andy-rp3dvAny time mate 🙂
I watched one of your videos 6 months or a year ago in which you advocated for negative rake scrappers, but I noticed that the scrapper in this video isn't NR. Have you gone back to 'regular' scrappers or do you use both types, and if so, what's the criteria for using each one?
I still use NRS just didn't see the need to show them as the method is identical to the scraper .... except you do it twice on each tool.
Thanks for watching and your question.
Cheers
Mike
ONE last question do u think the CBN set is good to have.
Personally I do Manjit.
@@MikeWaldt THANK u mike I will invest in one. as I got a pro set sharping at work but this set I keep at home.