Are Hypercars TOTALLY Pointless?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Hypercars that can do over 250-300+mph might sound like the stuff every car fan should worship, but how good are they really? Rory delves into the world of extreme performwnce cars and questions whether theyre a tuslly as good as they seem.
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If you have a spare and think it’s pointless I’m happy to look after it….
Are you certain you can afford to?
@@blindedbliss not likekyly, buggati change oil cost 27k dollars
@@J-_-S is this fact?
@@Undisputed_King closer to 35k USD. And yes, it is true
Couldn’t agree more ,there for wankers to put in there personal show room to say look at me that’s all there good for your so right anything over 6 to 700 horsepower is useless. But they do look cool but that’s it.
When I visited the Pagani factory&museum, they actually mentioned that a good % of their cars will remain at 0kms forever.
As a petrolhead is hard to imagine that you can have pleasure owning a car you never drive, but most of those customers are not petrolhead, they are people who enjoys (and can afford) the best things in life, whatever they are. The pleasure of owning a hypercar is no different that owning a fancy painting, or a super rare watch. Something to look at and feel good about it.
You basically summarised hyper consumptionism
Hypercars are a form of art. Of course performance matters, but at those price points, exclusivity is key. It's like comparing a Patek Philipe Minute repeater to an Apple Watch. As a tool, the latter is better in every single measurable way, but the Patek is a low volume product, crafted to perfection using traditional methods.
The amount of pollution hypercars produce is also completely negligible when you consider most of its owners also own and frequently use private jets and large yachts. If you think running costs are high for any car (Bugatti included), search "average yacht fuel consumption". You can spend upwards of 1 million on annual maintenance / fuel for a single yacht.
The world's 20 largest ships emit more than the entire global car fleet. So I don't think cars are the problem. Cruiseships are. Old cargo ships are. Megayachts are also part of the problem. Not cars that drive
You are absolutely right, but about the pollution, well... any pollution is pollution. Weather it,s negligible or not it's still pollution. I mean the petrol engine just adds to the complication without either something new nor exciting to it. ICE has been the same for ever, no change in anything literally. Does patek use the same movement as their first watch? Nope! They push the envelope in new ways! Add complication where it matters! Turbillons, exposed mechanicals, new ways of showing the time etc. So why not changing the hypercar game for the good! by going EV there's a million new opportunaties unlocked plus the benefit of usability and more reliability! So yeah I still love hypercars but petrol hypercars are just becoming silly at this point.
@@Essential_OS ICE's haven't been the same since the dawn of time. Compare a V12 Ferrari from the 1960's vs. the one today. It's not only much more efficient, but also more powerful and reliable. You don't even need to go back that much, the difference between the 599 and F12 (2006-2014) are enormous in all aspects. They have evolved way more than Pateks, for sure. You could use the same argument that mechanical watches are always the same (can only tell time), while an Apple watch can measure your heartbeat, steps, etc. :)
Let's not forget hypercars are usually driven 5000 km or less per year, so making them fully electric (with huge batteries) would probably make things even worse for the environment in the short term...
I believe it would just be more efficient to force supercar buyers into planting a field of trees or something similar, to offset the carbon emissions 10x, if necessary.
@@ruimpinho technically speaking the 599 and F12 engines are the same but have slightly better engineered components, it's been the same even for their chassis (yes 599 has the same chassis as the f12 and 812), plus f12 is not a hypercar, lets say bugatti chiron, same base chassis and engine as the veyron with more HP, the mistral is straight up using veyron's rear subframe. Or the valkyrie, what's so efficient about that? Yeah 1000hp from an N/a v12 is awsome but people got more from less of an engine in motorsport (I know it's not usable on public roads). And valkyrie has a very sesitive engine too. plus I said it before, hypercars should and will be unregulated even after 2035 because of its exclusivity and low production volumes. Likes of aventador and huracan have such a high production number that they wont qualify as hypercars. So they will go electric. All I say is Electric hyper cars will be the rolex of watches and extremely exclusive petrol hypercars will be the jacob and co's. I'll let watch experts figure this statement out themselves :)
The reason why hypercars make no sense to you my guy is because they were originally made for RACING.
It's only in recent history after the end of the FIA GT1 class that we're staring to see more and more hypercars made for one-percenters only. Which makes no sense.
It's even sadder when I see more and more people like you and the guy in this video who don't know anything about motorsport in the 90s, the early 2000s and the origin story of hypercars.
@@fyfyi6053 as you said they were "ORIGINALLY" made for racing, I don't see any carrera GTs or Ferrari Enzos or koenigseggs nor paganis racing ANYWHERE... or even something dumb like AMG One or even the engineering masterpiece like Valkyrie. Lemans hypercars were supposed to be the comeback and they gave up on the idea...
Their point, I believe is how far can engineering go. Also the point is the will to spend millions for a toy which is more usable in a track or enclosed road to enjoy it. Also, they're a goal to show off wealth to other people.
Let's be honest. They already pushed through the highest top speed barrier. 300mph was reached years ago but not by a "production car". Now all they're doing is trying to have the bragging rights for "fastest car" in the world. Okay now that we have that figured out, Bugatti isn't going for fastest car anymore, neither is Rimac or Zenvo, they're just creating hyper cars because people want to feel special. Nowadays it has nothing to do with pushing engineering but rather trying to get in people's deep pockets.
Hypercars don't push engineering in meaningful ways, racing does which none of these hypercars take part in. The rest of those reasons are just pointless as mentioned in the video. They're really cool but also really silly. A turbo Miata in a widebody is plenty for enjoying enclosed track racing or winding road fun.
I totally get your point, that is exactly the kind of dilemma situation I have realized too.
Decades ago, these kind of cars did serve the purpose of actually bringing technology forward. Cars like these were testing grounds for engine, chassis, suspension, tire,... technology. But there was also one important component that came with it: The most advanced and fastest cars were either racecars or closely linked to racecars. Modern hypercars don't take part in any competition. They just exist for their own purpose. And they provide no useful technology anymore. Modern hypercars, and in many cases also the top classes of racecars, they are so advanced and different from normal road cars that to engineer them you need technologies that NO ONE else needs. Even things like tire technology is questionably brought forward by these cars, what roadcar needs tires designed to go 250+ mph or sticky rubber for trackdays. There is no big connection anymore.
And then there are all the points you mentioned, that these cars get developed with insane resources to sit in someones garage. That is just ridiculous.
Future technologies will most likely not be developed in racing or with extreme supercars or hypercars. The questions of today and tomorrow are not answered by that anymore. It is kind of sad to say that, but yes, the whole relevance of these cars is crumbling down year by year. You are absoulutely right by that.
I still am fascinated by these cars, the fact that the things they achieve are possible to do. We as humans always strive to do more, to go further in every direction, so the fact that these cars exist is in some way logical and they have the right to exist to find out new limits. But yes, for the future of mobility, these limits are things no one asks for, and so these cars are becoming silly investment toys for people that are completely disjoint from the value of money and what it takes to work hard for it.
That's why Porsche is reluctant to release a 918 sucessor. It won't be nothing but a beefed up version of the 918. Nothing to move the game forward. Better save a hypercar when you have something worth to show the world.
There's an argument to be made that a shift has occurred with hypercar technology R&D finding its way to EVs. For example, Rimac's research into 800v technology making its way into Hyundai, etc.
Your argument was wonderful until you said that wealthy people are out of touch with what it takes to work hard for money. I disagree
Very eloquently put, op
Put aside its usefulness, only talk about performance, they are still useless….a 80k M3 is not much slower 0-100 or on track than a 4mil Bugatti. So all that engineering, all that power, only to go 1 second quicker on a track….it’s just dumb
Really long way of saying... It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow
very true
I see them as either a tech demonstrator, a PR machine for a big car group (think Bugatti in the VW Group), or very simply, the realisation of a dream, born out of passion for cars. That last bit is the biggest thing for me, think Christian von Koenigsegg, Horacio Pagani, Mate Rimac, etc. If I had that kind of money, I’d personally spend it on a fleet of cars and have many unique driving experiences.
Koenigsegg & Rimac do a TON of engineering and research, which they likely sell. Their cars are tech demonstrators more than anything. Arguably bad examples for "just passion".
@@TestTest12332 Of course, but they’re still headed up and founded by an individual who wants to build cars that he likes. These hypercar companies are not born from big MNCs who have a board with desires for this venture and investment. They’re more personal for me.
...and Gordon Murray
But here’s the things “if you had that kind of money” but I’m sure when you get to the stage when you do your mind will change
Hmm, never thought anyone would make sense explaining this, but Rory over here explained it all. What a genius😂😂
Well said
This makes a very good metaphor for the elite VS the rest of us. Billionaires are unnecessary and wasteful.
Sure, even if you were a billionaire, you'll also do the same thing. Everyone with their big fat stack money can do it.
The only reason you say "billionaires are wasteful" is because you aren't a billionaire tbh, it's easy to criticize, they don't care so suck it up.😂😂
@@markmwala2886 imagine sticking up for billionaires on the internet. They're not going to give you money bud 😂😂
@@DSCMBOBULTD “sticking up” that’s what you’re calling it?😭😭..it’s just logic amigo, imagine backing up a video about hypercars being pointless as though anyone in this comment section actually has or is close to getting one🤣 but sure let’s call it “sticking up”😭
@@markmwala2886 You wouldn't know logic if it hit you in the face while you're down on your knees for billionaires. Bet you're one of these Elon musk worshippers 😂😂
Hey Rory, Basically your 100% right, they are all pointless but then where's the fun in that 🙂 These are not day to day cars they are for only the super rich who put them in collections and never drive them (Shmee not included, 100% respect to him 🙂) If you win £140 Million on the lottery then yeah you may look at a couple, but then it's just willy waving rights down the pub and you would probably never be able to use the car to it's real potential.
They're not pointless, that's a bit harsh. Developing more efficient and powerful engines requires advances in materials science, which can be used elsewhere.
What Hypercars need to do is start showing owners more miles = worth more! that way they might actually get used as a Car, and not a collector item that sits in a garage gathering dust......
😂😂 I have never heard you rant like this. This was some serious self examination. Hypercars are like art. What is the purpose of a piece of canvas hanging from the wall? It's all about how it makes you feel. Hypercars make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy. Hypercars make everyone go wow! That's their whole point. That's their whole purpose. And yes, I would totally buy the Jesko Absolut if I had the money, just because the car is very pretty and sounds awesome. I know exactly how it makes me feel right now even though I don't have one.
Rory seems to have lost his fan side with this Video, next he'll rant about F1 being pointless.😂😂
Eh they aren't that cool anymore
@@zainakram6908 your opinion
Hypercars are more then just art, a canvas is just one thing, and thats it, but the mc laren F1 has tech in it what a GT3 RS has today, same goes with F1 they invented carbon fiber, rallying invented alot of other stuff aswell so motorsport and "hypercars" are more then just art
@@ericship8383 theres already been so many cooler hypercars that modern examples just don't wow the same, we already seen the most overpowered and used technology & going further with hypercars just kind of feels like a Gimmick. I am not talking about all models, sometimes they specially represent the capabilities of the company but that can be left to a Concept car and test car results too. I guess it's the iconicness, and exclusiveness of them which you can argue makes it worth an investment but you get the performance, outlook & track capabilities already to a pinnacle point in modern supercars; and supercars nowadays are already so powerful and extreme and cool looking, they really just do the job in every way possible.
Hyper cars are like art. You buy then to feel a certain way and also hope that other people will admire them too. also, you hope they go up in value.
These days it's an easy distinction now. People who are into cars as objects of wealth where the experience is being seen will always love hyper cars. People who are into cars as driving experiences will be generally unmoved and prefer cars with dynamic feel.
So, here I am (hypothetically speaking!), a billionaire with cash to spare. Do I buy a painting by Picasso, that will just hang on a wall? or do I buy a Pagani that I can touch, smell, feel and be totally immersed in every time I step in to it? Hypercars ARE art!
facts
@@william_SMMA if you were a billionaire, just buy both
@@marmedalmond9958 facts lol
Regular people like us love to judge rich people because we assume that since they have Jewelry or a Bugatti, they don't have real estate or other investments lol
People just be hating
Hypercars are incredible but ultimately useless. It's more like collecting expensive art. After all, you can get over 1000hp with any tuned or modified car for less than 250K.
I would say modern Hypercar such as AM Valkyrie and the AMG are still nice and relevant as they push the Engineering boundaries for things like modern suspension and giving any part of the car a bigger life cycle.
There's a host of cars throughout history that were never hyper anything that brought much more innovation to the party. The Citroen DS for example.
Suspension and general tech jumps are coming from Formula since the budget is huge , other than that nope...
One would you ever used the Valkyrie or AMG One's suspension on a modern road car? They're just engineering exercises and flex for the ultra rich. A BMW M car on the other hand, can use their tech into road cars. Luxury cars that pioneer adaptive suspension that made it's way to road cars. I believe the Toyota Cressida had adjustable suspension in the 80s that made it to cars like the MKIII Supra that I used to own. You're not going to see tech on Bugattis, Eggs, or any hypercars in the average car. How long have carbon brakes been out? We still haven't seen them on Toyota Corollas yet.
@Drone Strike exactly if were these test beds toyota would be making so many to try efuel or hydrogen engines
Well, that is true. However, in my opinion, Hypercars aren't just built for sheer speed and excitement but they are a form of art. Take the Koenigsegg One : 1 for example, even if it didn't have 1300+ horsepower, it would still look great and beautiful. Hypercars are art and they inspire people to work harder. Nothing is more breathtaking than seeing a Hypercar on the road. Especially if you're young. Just a sheer glimpse of a Hypercar will trigger a passion for cars. I believe that is why that even though in a realistic point of view, Hypercars are useless. But they do serve an excellent job of inspiring people. Doesn't matter if you are old or young. Seeing a Hypercar will almost always be etched into your memory and serve as a motivation to work harder in life.
I completely agree …. but they’re so cool because they capture the imagination and emotion, especially if you’re into technical things like engines and suspensions.
Nah, actual racecars capture the imaginations with engines and suspension. Hypercars never compete in anything and just act as low miles paperweight to be sold in auctions 20 years later.
What i particularly dislike about hypercars is that 9 times out of 10 they don’t end up at a proper car lovers garage, it’s mostly just showing off.. which is a shame.
Yes! I’ve said this for years now. I draw the border at around 450hp for 1,5 tons, after that it all sort of becomes pointless on public roads. If more powerful the enjoyment of acceleration will be over at an instant, and pushing your car to its limits is definitely off the table.
Then comes the practicality. I worked as an apprentice at a very special hotel in the alps in my early 20s and I’ve parked a nonsensical amount of super cars and rare one offs - my favourite still being just a z8 though (that sound in underground parking 🤤) - but none of them had space for the luggage, which meant the cabin was packed to the windshield just for a weekend trip, parking sometimes took two people for spotting and the interior panel fitting was like something out the 70s if not even soviet.
My hat goes off to the engineers for their incredible feat, but these cars are no more than track cars with garden ornament potential - respectfully In my opinion of course.
If paintings worth millions are acceptable because its piece of art then hypercars are also worth millions as they're piece of art.
My 2 cents here is that I believe on the streets, anything over 300-330ish bhp for an average weighted car (1400-1500kg) is pointless. But for the tracks, maybe the higher power figures are better. Even then, I believe downforce and driving dynamics are much more important there compared to just brute power.
it's not pointless
they just aren't for you
The biggest issue with hypercars nowadays is how useless and unproven they are in terms of performance. These things used to be the pinnacle of speed and you would shell out over a million for one because you know there is nothing faster on the road - however nowadays almost no hypercars are actually proven/used on track and literally only Bugatti do consistent top speed tests to prove that they are the fastest in a straight line. Nowadays, you can get more wow factor from the V12 in a Ferrari 812, more looks on the road from an Aventador and more performance on track from a GT2 RS.
3:20 Shmee watching this right now: what colour is your Zenvo, Rory?
What is the 1st hyper car ever?
I am almost 60 and have loved cars since as long as I can remember.
I agree with everything you said.
Rory!
Hypercars are not meant to be reasonable!
How much better is a Patek or Audemars at telling the time or being a stopwatch?
What about the jewellery we wear?
Beautiful people! Nothing says they make better partners!
Beautiful homes! All anyone needs is a mattress on the floor and some warmth (or cool)!
It’s all about HOW these amazing things or people MAKE US FEEL! And that has been shown to affect people’s lives in a positive manner.
Agreed, almost anything in the modern world can be debated as pointless. Doesn't mean it is
@@PJ-iz2nc Facts
Brilliant writeup from my Nigerian brother
7:05 - I'd say yes, then turn around trying to sell it ASAP. Even at a loss. I can't afford to look after one for long.
Said some broke guy
Lol yeah 😅 but deep down we still love them.
You're definitely more broke then Rory 🤣
He's absolutely right..
Period
All the reasonable points made in the video only to be countered by 'said some broke guy', you put a lot of thought into that didn't you.
Wholly agree with you. But you miss the point.... The person driving it, is telling you and me that they're loaded. Personally never felt the need to show how wealthy (or not) I am.
But moving down to the sub supercar level, I do question, for example M3 vs M340i. Do you really get to use the extra £30k worth of engine/engineering on the road? No. Track? Yes, but not sure I'd really want to track an M3.
Totally agree that’s why all I would get is a GT3 997 and actually drive that just not daily my ideal daily would be an E63. I’d spend the rest of real estate and commercial property etc etc make that money twerk for me first before I even do all that 😅
Bang on Rory. My exact feelings. They represent the exploitive 1% who care nothing about anyone but themselves... Yet the products evoke such strong desire that you get a little weak in the knees when a new one launches. Wouldn't buy any of them (if I could) but wouldn't pass up an opportunity to experience any if given the opportunity. Now though, if I could get my hands on a Mazda 787B...
I feel that the approach used by GMA to build T50 is better than other hypercar manufacturers...they are focusing more on the overall driving experience than the flashiest numbers
it's not better
just different
Great video thanks rory respect sir, Hypercars aren't meant to make sense, and thats why we love them, there like art and about how they make you feel 😀
A reliable Honda Civic makes me way more happy than some useless car that can only go fast and nothing else.
@@moonsapling you're not very bright if you really think that
but if it makes you feel better lol
a Honda Civic makes you more happy than driving or owning a Bugatti Chiron SuperSport
Suuuree
This comment section is just full of angry people looking for an excuse to shiit on rich people to make themselves feel better lol
@@william_SMMAbased on what you just said I dont think I will waste my time with you.
@@william_SMMA A Honda can handle my daily commute, a Bugatti can't. It's ironic you brought up the "shilling for rich people" while you're making a case FOR them 🤣
If I had the cash it's a Singer DLS or a GMA T33 for me. Those are vaguely in a similar price bracket even if they have less power.
Your logic is why I long ago git over the idea of owning one even if I could afford it. I've also been shocked at how a car that costs north of $300k (hell $100k) can be so damn unreliable. 😳
Got to be honest: I kind of hate the idea of buying things you don't use. But they are (some of them) pretty beautiful to look at, and to hear...
So I guess I agree. Not ever having done a track day, for normal driving having something that's entertaining at low speeds will put a much bigger grin on your face than something with mega power. When my 211hp Leon FR was in the repair shop years ago, I got a 3 pot Ibiza as a courtesy car and I wrang every last HP out of it legally. Fuel economy? Atrocious, but you could wring it out fully without breaking the limit and it had me grinning ear to ear.
I love you even more for saying this, Rory. A perfect summary of the duality of the Hypercar.
The thing about the crate engine makes sense but the Bugatti is still a tour du force of what a ice car can do
Bugatti doesn't use a crate engine if that's what you're implying
I think you really hit the spot for me with this video, bcuz I've always asked myself why should I buy a Hypercar like the Bugatti Chiron supersport knowing fully well that I will never get to max out the top speed.
but it's not just about top speed
it can go from 0-60 in 2.3 seconds which is the fastest for a gasoline car
that's easily achievable even on a small street
Because you can flex with the car
@@nchmusic99 And then what?
@@william_SMMA yea but even the Lucid Sappire can beat that now and it's $250,000 which is a fraction of the price!
Hi Rory !! Very interesting self questioning! Yet these cars will last and will still be bought years after years. In economy concept, they are based on what is called “marginal consumer satisfaction”. The value you get from it is totally subjective , that makes it pointless sometimes yet deeply desirable 😅
No one will know how to fix most of these cars in 10 years.
And the owners of these cars don't even drive these guys because they want to sell them some time.
It is to have the best possible, the logic deployed could be stretched to any antique as for diamonds why bother?? No leave these hyper cars alone they have there place no matter how niche
This video is a strong argument that Gordon Murray is making the best hypercars of all right now.
Still a v12 dead end, just a lighter, smarter dead end. Nevera And Gemera are way ahead of it
Laferrari, P1, 918 are the peak of Hypercar
And my car is only 66hp😢
Zenvo are definitely cancelling that appointment 🙂
I just want to ax that wing.. So stupidly stupid.
The holy trinty proves that hypercars are not pointless
Elaborate? It's not like the "holy trinity" provides or contributes to society or anything like that. They're just for fun
It may not be a 'Hyper car' per se (though price and rarity will be up there, but Rory man.. That video you did of one of my top 5 fave cars, the Countach... MANNNN WHAT A CAR! I still re-watch that video, and that acceloration test with the back end having a 'Bit of a wonder' hahaha 🤔👌👏 😎🇬🇧
"Per se", it's latin
@@Kraven83 Who is 'Being an arse' then?? Hmmm? 😏
My issue with these kind of cars is they don't get driven. When you see them come up for sale the mileage is so low you wonder what the point of owning it was.
I'll take an EV hot hatch with a great 0-62mph. More fun on the country roads where I live.
Still, I'm glad these beautiful insane pieces of engineering exist.
They're cool art pieces and should continue to exist, and they do fund the development of tech that filters down into everyday cars but way too much journalism is focused on them.
They don't if they did toyota would make a hydrogen one or Porsche would be using it to test e fuel and art doesn't get produced like that if they had 100 Mona Lisa a it wouldn't be popular or iconic they're pointless toys for ppl with more money then sense
@@sherqyanstromain9580 yeah it does feel like hypercars are becoming a Gimmick, theres just alternative choices so good to the point with supercars that it doesn't make sense with why hypercars are required; and R&D research can already be confidently done with test special cars and concept editions by companies.
Hypercars are - from an engineering standpoint - just brilliant. There have been so many engineers from all around the world to build the Veyron and Chiron engine. It's incredible to see what's possible.
From a logical point of view: I wouldn't buy one, if I had the money, except maybe the Nevera, right now In Germany, on the Autobahn, being able to pass anyone no matter what car they have: love it!
The problem is, as you said, most people that have all the money in the world to buy these cars, never drive them... It's so dumb... What's money worth, if you never experience what it can buy you? Why buy a car just so you get more money that you later invest in stuff, that again provides more money...
I also agree to the love for supercars. They're 10% what a usual hypercar costs and you get basically the same performance and usually better track performance.
You want the best track car? Get a 911... I know, they're everywhere and very... Germanish, no fun in their design elements, just dry efficiency, but they're doing the job, better than all the other cars. And people who drive them usually have fun. They're just not so "special" imo, because you see them everywhere, just parked on the streets.
And if you just want "fast in a straight line" a Model S Plaid is even cheaper than all the supercars, but it's faster than a hypercar in a straight line (at least in a 1/4 mile race)
And if you want a crazy supercar, that's actually kinda practical, the C8 Corvette is the perfect choice. Its design is brilliant, both outside AND inside (which to me is even more important, because that's where you'll spend more, if you're a car lover and not an investor), it has two large (for a supercar) storage compartments and it's f*cking cheap, while finally having a non-all-plastic interior.
It's a car, the average Joe might be able to optain one day and that's what I love about it. I think that's why everyone loves it.
Cheers mate! I agree that they're shit BUT brother I also AGREE that they're cool and awsome A.F... 😎👌
You don’t buy those to drive, you buy them because you can.
That’s the only “point” about hypercars
Bravo Rory! Completely agree.
It's about having something to dream about and desire Rory. Like the Countach poster on your wall except for super rich mofos..
The EV hypercars are even worse for the environment given you're never going to get to anything like the usage to offset their manufacturing emissions
I think there are people who daily their Nevera but in the end both are pointless besides being toys for the ultra rich.
And toxic pollution
You said it all..... 👍
POINTLESS??? There's no such thing as too much horsepower
In NYC or any other busy city / city with tiny roads 1000hp doesn’t mean much.
But, I still agree with you. 😂
A typical EV car can have 1000hp without being hyper.
I think Shmee will be gutted his Zenvo rear wing wiggles pointlessly 😂
These are not supposed to be sensible. They are pokemon cards for the ultra rich. They are used to show off, comparable to their wrist watches.
The other main point is that the buyers are all on a special VIP owners list and they are usually kept secret. Then these VIP owners place them in their collections never to be seen or driven again. They sit there with delivery mileage and probably a tank of fuel, oil, coolant etc which will no doubt go off and finally leak on their expensive polished marble floors. These cars are for driving not full sized matchbox cars. The hypercar business is very weird both its manufacturers and its owners.
If what you’re saying is true, we’d all be driving 85hp Toyota Yaris. Yes it’s the same vanity and extravagance as having a $1m watch instead of a $50 Casio. They aren’t just selling cars/watches, they’re selling an experience, luxury etc. they aren’t everyday cars.
I wish manufacturers had a purchasing clause that these cars must be driven at least 5000 miles / yr at minimum. That way most of them won't be garage queens. Why build a car for the museum? That way those of us that cannot afford them will at least enjoy eye candy.
Jay Leno said it best. The most fun for any car is between 70-100mph.
I think the whole point of owning a hyper car is just to show you can own a very fast expensive car.More like a status symbol.
Crate engines with turbos....tell that to Koenigsegg. Not entirely sure that the Chiron's W16 came from a Golf either but the conversation about actual usable power is certainly fair.
Hypercars are the thing that push the engineering further and further, many features that start appearing in hypercars later on end up appearing in common family cars, and think about our kids, the future petrolheads, during my childhood i loved the Ferrari F40 it was the car that made me a petrolhead, without hypercars what would our child love now? a Renault Clio? does anyone have a poster in your bedroom of a Renault Clio? i don't think so.
Sir Rory, Duke of AutoTrader, you’re the best Car/Culture Presenter of all time !!! Whichever platform you’re on, I’m in your audience, cheers mate! Look at my picture, it’s a Scion FR-S, the most amount of car that’s possible for the road. Rally legend chassis, edgy and needs taming, and on PS4-seasons it’s ready for anywhere anytime, like a rally legend. Has anyone ever realized one could take the 356, add the 3 to the 5, and you get 86?
I love cars, I love doing Trackdays, HyperCars are not really that fun on track and not fun on normal roads either.
When the super rich guys show up at Trackdays,it’s nice to see and hear their hypercars, but after a few rounds around the track, they jump in their Porsches or any other more purposeful cars for the Trackday.
I still remember what Paul Frère (a former Belgian F1-driver/testpilot) used to say. Nobody needs more than 300hp in a car. I'm sure that i will have more fun driving my Toyota GR86 instead of all those guys with their supercars which mostly will stay in the garage.
So many people are dunking on you, especially with the "yOu Can'T aFfORd iT" comments, but you're so right. Honestly, there are only ~5 or so hypercars from the past 15 years that get me excited. Pagani are just beautiful works of art, and I love the Valkyrie (1000hp from an N/A engine is absolutely insane).
Finally someone talking my language, i used to think long before when i used to hear ""that car can reach 300 MPH just like that"", i questioned how?? To always drive in hyper speeds you gonna need a Hotwheels world where roads are beyond perfection otherwise these cars are not PRACTICAL..only one hyper car i loved, goo gooed over it ...sorry that WAS the car..that car doesn't exist now..that car was named wind...
I think you will know now....
I always boasts this coz i know i am world's biggest Romeo of Hatchbacks..
You are absolutely spot on..
Thanks, you just convinced me to keep my 03' accord CL9 instead of getting a Bugatti.
What has robbed me of any interest in these hugely expensive cars is just how many there are now. Seems like every week there's a new $2,000,000+ exotic track only monster coming out, and I can't be bothered to keep track of them anymore. At that price you want something truly special, but there are so many options now that none of them feel particularly special at all.
as i get older, no id rather buy a house on a beach. But I would settle for a new Corvette
Putting aside the engineering marvels that most hypercars have become, the real reason most of them exist is because they are a sound investment for hyper-wealthy individuals. They wouldn't get made if the manufacturers couldn't sell them. They don't actually get driven, they just get wrapped up in an air conditioned garage in order to appreciate in value much faster than several millions can in a bank and generally with very little risk of not increasing in value massively. If you were lucky enough to have £4.2M to invest and someone told you this is how you turn it into £8M over the next 5 years, then why wouldn't you?
I am a Dane. 17 degrees celsius is like a good summers day in this country. What the heck were they thinking? 2 million Euro/ Dollars/ Pound could buy you an entire Caribbean island with a good house and everything or a useless hyper car, that will devalue as soon as you put the key in the ignition. Take your pick!
Yes. The saying "hypercar" are pointless. I call every car above "sports car" a "supercar"
I think it's all about a dream and vision. Because someone woke up and was "What if I can build a car that goes beyond 1000bhp"? Right, it's cool to think like that. And once you get it done, I'm sure it's even cooler. It's just meant to wow people
If money was no object (or won the lotto), I would not buy one - when it comes to vehicles, price tag all in best be no more than $74KUSD. If I won it as a price out of charity, I would buy only ONE and not think about value and daily it as much as I can and not cage it like a lion dying slowly of depression in a zoo. But in reality being a smart buyer, I wouldn't go near it even if it came with a beautiful woman to play around with. Vehicles as such are similar to paying for a highly expensive escort - only for a one time go and as you said, an expensive paperweight. I would rather spend those millions to cancer research, build homes/condos for the homeless and be remembered a good person than a typical rich wanker
Same can be said about any super car costing hundreds of thousands of dollars with high maintenance cost and aren’t very reliable. Same can also be said about all luxury like clothes and jewelry. What’s the point in paying $600 for a shirt, 1000+ for pants, and 5-6000 for shoes.
The intersection of people who can afford one, and can also drive one to anywhere near it's potential, must be practically zero. So as high-ability car they are essentially pointless, and are more something that is collected (ugrhh...) or posed about it/enjoyed at a much lower level (which is fine).
"Where are you going to us that speed" The one line I didn't want rory to say. Personally the racetrack is my home do that's were I'm going
You’ve got a point (bring the probable “you don’t know what you’re talking about”). I’ve never thought on the road “do you know my 136bhp swift needs more power” the track is a different story but for the road it’s fine 136bhp is enough.
You forgot one crucial point. Without them, how do you have a decent game of Top Trumps?
Never underestimate braggingrights between the ultra rich.
The emergence of ½ soundspeed cars, is at this point only basically serving as a duck measuring contest for boutique auto makers. Back in the day a car guy would appreciate the drama and spectacle a Lamborghini would bring to the table. It was not safe, not comfortable and owning one was a huge pain in the butt, but at least it would scare the crap out of you every once in a while, a quality that was not on demand. Hell even a sw20 mr2 with its snap oversteer personality would make you change your underwear for what it was worth. The world we're living these days is watered down version of the 80s and 90s automotive world, where designs might look edgy but they don't cause an emotional reaction to the driver.
That is why NSX, LFA and GTR and other Japanese Supercars are the most practical yet sexiest around. Even the Godzilla and Evo 6 has cupholders for a 90s car 😂
I think every car should be limited to 70mph fully electric,signed greta
Hypercars are a complete waste of money and pointless for our roads. Totally agree with you.
Main point - investment of money. As a transportation vehicle they are pointless. But good for investing money and getting profit later
You got a point there but, apart from the big numbers, the small ones which are the number of these cars, makes me desirable for someone who has billions. Imagine being that person and your circle already having a hypercar, you would want one too. Plus the money is no issue, it's like telling to a middle class person, would you spent 100£ for a hypercar? I would say yes. In coclusion it's the same in every industry. Colthes, cars, jewellery etc. People are willing to spend that money to feel or be unique.
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Medical Courier Lamborghini Huracan.
Jeremy Clarkson had by far the best reason. His Porsche was fast enough to allow him to say goodbye to his father.
the usage of a hypercar maybe seems useless but some of the new techs they’ve found while making that particular superfast cars will be useful for us in the future
Nope, not pointless.
Same could be said about anything in the modern world, if there are consumers for the product, then it's not pointless.
As a Automobile service technical specialist worked different parts of world different performance car brand , I all of think of this all time, as I have seen most supercars are only less driven and only used for performances very little , actually car brands need to bring up new kinds of technology 💯
There is so much more you can do with the amount of money a hypercar goes for, but once you have had the wealth for some time, there is no more fun in renting a yacht, taking a private jet... you simply spend your time on non vital necesities, like collectors.
This is the equivalent of a blind man saying eyes are overrated. Asking why we desire hypercars is akin to asking why some people want to climb mountains. Biologically, men with hypercars are more desirable than men without hypercars. Sometimes, it’s just that simple 😂.
I've been saying these arguments for years to my buds for years now. Hypercars, as much as we love them, are pointless and made only for those few that can afford them. Companies make them for elites to say they have something else that plebs cannot afford to even touch, much lees drive or even see once in their lives. And as for the argument of development for lesser vehicles, I still have yet to see an all carbon fiber chassis on a regular passenger vehicle. That being said, I'd still buy a couple of them if I could! Dammit, they have me!
Hyper cars are built for bragging rights. There's also the 'what if' factor. Bugatti first built the W12 as a test mule in a Volkswagen body as a precursor to the W16. They also tested a natural gas engine. It's not going to be practical but it has to be drivable for every day use, excluding Track Day Cars
Hypercars set the benchmark for all those car innovations that come after and trickle down to more mainstream vehicles. Just like any other industry.