Beyond the Brain: Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake explore the mystery of consciousness
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2022
- Consciousness - we all have it, yet it’s one of the greatest mysteries of science. Exactly what it is, how it works, what it’s for, and what its implications are for our understanding of “reality”, remain matters of speculation, not of fact. In this dialogue, originally recorded for the Beyond the Brain conference series (scientificandmedical.net/beyo...) author Graham Hancock and biologist Rupert Sheldrake (www.sheldrake.org/) offer some food for thought. For background on the censoring of Graham’s and Rupert’s TEDx talks, and links to the original uncensored talks, see here: grahamhancock.com/ted-war-on-.... VISIONARY, the new edition of Graham Hancock’s book on the mystery of consciousness (formerly titled Supernatural) is published in the United States on 4th April 2022. To get a sense of the wide variety of issues explored in VISIONARY check out Chapter Nineteen, free to read online here: en.calameo.com/read/005570974.... And note, whereas the audiobook of Supernatural was read by a third-party narrator, the audiobook of VISIONARY is narrated by Graham Hancock himself. In some ways - to be welcomed - we are reinventing the ancient tradition of storytelling around the campfire, and with this in mind Graham hopes to launch his new podcast in 2022. Subscribe to this channel to be notified.
Fascinating discussion! My Mum died last week in the UK, however I live in Australia. I was woken in the middle of the night by a feeling that someone stroked my cheek whilst I slept. I woke with the feeling that something was wrong yet passed it as a strange dream. In the morning when I woke up properly, I had received a text message from my sister, who lives in the UK, that my Mum had died due to illness. I’m not religious and very open minded, but I think this may have been a final connection from my mum before she left. Can’t explain it, just a weird experience! Thanks again for the great discussion!
Here's wishing you peace and comfort in the midst of your loss/mourning, Dennis.
That's beautiful. Thanks for sharing.💛
I recently lost my mom, I feel your pain.
Deepest sympathy on your loss mate. Life goes on after this realm. Take it easy.
Condolences
Im sorry for your loss Dennis.
I took Ayahuasca only once. In the days and weeks following, I felt the presence of an entity within me. It wasn't frightening. It felt like she was Grandmother, very loving. And from within she directed me to do what I needed to do to regain my health. Very fascinating experience. I was never able to take Ayahuasca again but without a doubt the kind entity (I called her Grandmother) guided me and healed me from within.
TED is to intellectual discussion, what corporate media is to journalism.
I wonder if Graham Hancock has read Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander. The author is a neuro surgeon who got a nasty, spontaneous case of E. coli bacterial meningitis. He experienced death and describes some of what he saw. After his complete recovery, which was itself nothing short of miraculous (doctors assured his family that at best he’d be a vegetable if he even wakes up), he had the expertise to evaluate his brain scans to conclude that the parts of his brain responsible for dreams and hallucinations were completely dead. Destroyed. Inactive. Offline. While in the meantime he was having an extremely vibrant, indescribably vivid experience. “It felt too real to be real” was his description. He also scientifically rules out the DMT dump myth and concludes that the brain, rather than producing consciousness, serves as a filter for consciousness which reduces the firehose of information from reality to a trickle so we can focus on this very specific spectrum of mortal experience.
I recommend the book. It’s fascinating.
I’ve noticed all NDE’s are unique to the individual.
@@toucheturtle3840 yes I've noticed this as well. What do you think is the reason for this?
@@show_me_your_kitties maybe the answer is that because everyones unique? I mean it would seem even less real if we all had the same NDE cause we arent all the same person in the same place with same culture etc etc
A most positive Resource. Would like to see Eben with these 2 in discussion.
Fantastic summary.
Brilliant, engaging , stimulating ,and thought provoking discussion. All things lacking from mainstream media, and I fear it's by design. We live in an oligarchy.
If you're busy getting entertained, you don't have time to think about the big things to deal with in this life, so I agree with you that it's by design!
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@@christavelek1341 Wow, your comment was so profound
100% by design
Was just listening to an old show (1990's) with Graham and Art Bell yesterday. Nice to wake up to this today.
Rupert has helped me so much in viewing theology through the Christian lens. I was raised catholic but drifted from the faith and spent some time looking into the eastern religions and mystic teachings, but listening to people like Rupert helps one realize that there is a faith that exists underneath all religious denominations and that it's quite acceptable to gain your understanding via the traditional Christian route (even if it's not quite on the prescribed path). I find that so refreshing in this time when Christian bashing hasn't just become acceptable but almost fashionable. Thank you Rupert
Check out Eastern Orthodox teaching, it's pretty rich in it's teaching. It's also mystical and mysterious in it's theology, which is different from the Roman Catholic view.
Graham's Podcast is an absolute must. I would listen to you all day long.
P.S. I'm a software engineer and would gladly make time aside for helping with a website, app or whatever you need for your projects to succeed that involves technology, no payment or credit required.
What’s the name of the podcast?
We appreciate your work, we have your books at home. We follow you from Sweden. Thank you for sharing this!
3x we. jaaaaaah are we you and your 2 alter egos? or are we a group around you that you represent or are we just all who like Grayham? :)
@@tuclance More simple than that. People living together and loving each other. Hope you can have that yourself! Best wishes
@@user9tf20qvxn I get it and i got it :) just curious what you meant. Aela
@@tuclance that's cool :) all the best!
Och ifrån Skåneland 😃
Graham, thank you for your contribution to the awakening of humanity. Please continue.
Thank you Graham and Rupert for this discussion. And yes please, a podcast would be wonderful, and is sorely needed to discuss these topics freely!
Love you, Graham! Thank you for naming me as your Author of the Month for March of 2020!!! I am honored to be recognized by such a stellar, and prolific thinker. It's very validating, and I am forever grateful 🙏
First off, thank you Graham for decades of life enhancing insights in my appreciation of this carnival of existence. I have far too many thoughts to address re: this discussion, but two key and dominating elements of my perspective follow. 1. We know that what we observe of the universe/existence is limited by both our perceptive organs and out cognitive abilities, so we also know that whatever we my conceive is in fact only a limited description that MUST be insufficient. 2. How can anyone who accepts the canon of modern physics that permits quantum coupling, unmediated action from a distance, and the entire idea of material expression as dependent upon observation, and the influence of that observation on abstract probability matrices so as to define the nature of phenomena, seriously doubt the possibility that there is creative and communicative outcome that exceeds an absolute materialistic reality? We need not overturn the dominance of current dogma to appreciate the totality of our experience where it exceeds the limits of that dogma. Thank you again for your gifts to humanity, and enjoy! BTW, credit where due: your criticism in the last moments was fair, and polite, but a necessary stance for the sake of integrity. You didn't have to do that, and it took courage to not to let it go in passing.
I like the comment, I read it twice but it's out of my league in my understanding. Does anyone care to explain it to me please? I'd imagine I'm not the only one. Thanks guys.
If a tree falls in the wood's and nobody is there to hear it
@@tastas8554 Clearly it makes no sound. Perhaps there’s no tree at all to see or experience without an observer?
@@terryhalsteadgamer haha glad I'm not alone.
@@terryhalsteadgamer from my understanding "given all the mad sht physicists go on about (all the quantum and whatnot) there's really no reason they should have a problem with this stuff, it makes as much sense" or thereabouts. And I agree, the universe is so complex it's absurd that humans could imagine they know enough about how it works to dismiss anything like this with such certainty. It's just comfortable to do so.
Brilliant!
It was just getting juicy at 1:08:08 😀.
I'm now on the edge of my seat and I'll stay their waiting for the upcoming podcast. Please, please go forward with that.
Right now, more than ever, we need respected people with integrity and boldness to have intelligent, thoughtful conversations and question "authority"
Agreed!
The ending was so civil. I miss when humans could disagree so amicably
It wasn't civil on Graham's part. He abruptly cut the video after giving himself the last word, which was a hostile implied attack on Christianity, an attack to which I'm sure Rupert had an intelligent reply, but Graham did not want people to hear that reply, so Graham cuts the video at that point. He ought to be ashamed.
This is such a fascinating conversation. I am so grateful that you are sharing this and speaking outside of the narratives we are taught.
Good to see you sir!!!
Fantastic! What a treat to see an upload from Graham and even more so as I've recently read two of Richard's books, and half way through a third.
Evidence of the existence of Consciousness out of brain ➡️czcams.com/video/w_LSA__VSVE/video.html
Thank You Graham
I loved the discussion. I have followed both of these gentlemen for years. My first book by GrHam Hancock was the Sign and the Seal. I was so impressed, I bought three more and gave them away. I have had lucid dreams all of my life and thought that everyone did, as well. Not until my early twenties did I realize it’s not so normal or so easily done. Anyway, can we talk about all of the art work in this video? Simply beautiful!
Totally agree with Rupert, portioning blame on religion for action done in the past or present is childish.
Just look at the world we live in global warming, starvation,war,greed, man's inumanity to man, blaming religion won't solve anything, blaming human beings might.
I think your right on the money Graham , iv always share your perspective on our lost history.
Yes! Can’t watch yet but will tonight!
Best answer for my most profound experience was "It does not matter whether it was "real" or not "real". Point is it was real to you."
Mr Grahm Hancock you are my inspiration.
Thanks Graham. Love yours and Dr Rupert's contributions. Two great explorers of our larger reality 👏
tHANK YOU gRAHM. a Higlight of my life seeing you and JAW give a talk together.
Be happy. eM is our power and we change it all NOW!
Great ! Graham always nice to hear you. Thanks
Graham Hancock Podcast? Yes please!!!!!! I would love that!
Graham!!! Love you so much!! Hope you and your family continue to stay safe and healthy!
Wow! Living legends, thank you for all you do.
Such a great episode. Two amazing individuals talking about very interesting topics. Thank you Graham for serving these views to us 💪🏼
Dont want this to end
42:50 My thought while Graham went further about brain and consciousness (And i heard this being mentioned in another spiritual talk): A human can be clinically brain dead, while the heart is still being active. Thus the heart controls the brain and not the other way around.
Everyone can control many parts of the body, even the breathing cycle. But it's impossible to actively control feelings and heart rate. I'd say that the heart-"consiousness" takes over as soon as the brain shuts off or is lacking usefulness. E. g. You can try to suppress the feeling of love or hate, but no one can effectively deny either feeling. Maybe someone else can describe it better.
Thus the conclusion is that the consciousness is most likely not one with the brain.
And thanks for the talk, it's great to listen to. Loved it.
I have always thought this, I agree with you ❤
I take it your referring to the little brain in the heart. Now thats what you call an experience.
Love you Graham! Keep hustlin
Not going to lie, I became aware of Graham mostly due to being censored from Ted. I was watchin a lot of Ted talks in those days and also exploring my own consciousness. I couldn't believe that TED would take these two talks down. I loved your book Entangled. Have you thought of writing a sequel?
Great to see you in good straights , Sir.
We need you.
🕯💓🕯
The Graham Hancock Podcast is sure to be my favourite.
Amazing to see you Graham! Fantastic content!!!
Consciousness and awareness is who we are
G you are my hero!! Fellow scotsman!! Love you brother !!
a deep and insightful conversation whilst questioning my own thoughts, thank you. i do hope the podcast comes to fruition.
I was very happy to see an update from Graham!
Graham, a podcast from you is music to my ears. You speak from truth and integrity, love Ruperts work but I agree with Grahams views on religion. It has put a huge divide in my family. I questioned the Christian dogma from being very young as I intuitively felt something was so off with it.
Agreed! I got kicked out of religious school in 1st grade for asking "too many questions" and not accepting the standard reply to anything that they had no answer for... "it's a mystery"! All religions are just recycled dogma and mind control, and most accept that as a holdover from our child selves.
I don't believe a single thing hancock is saying.
@@edszarin8215 Fair enough. I'ts very important to follow your own intuition and come to your own conclusions. For myself personally, I feel he speaks from a deep spiritual knowledge about our true nature. He's spent years searching the globe for answers, questioning the mainstream dogmatic views on religion, ancient sites and the history of humanity, that in its self is worth taking note and listening to in my opinion. It opens up our consciousness and invites us to think outside of those dogmatic views! From everything I've read and watched about Grahams work he certainly doesn't proclaim that everything he says is absolute fact. Rather he's begging the world to open its collective eyes to the bigger possibility of our true nature!
this isnt even Grahams channel :d quite comical how many people fall for non verified stuff ,ive found about 50 accounts all pretending to be Graham ,200 fo Bob Laar & neither actually have a Channel & if they did it would be verified
@@mcfcguvnors fully aware it isn’t his channel 😂 cam yer tits love
Thanks for sharing.🙂
We need graham back on joe Rogan
It's a pleasure to see you Graham, hopefully I will get the chance to shake your hand in person one-day
Totally agree Graham with the last statement about religion if you preach about wrong doings please don't act these out, being bad is one thing, saying you are morally superior then but still doing the same is far worse an evil...,
Between the both of them we got a library. Graham rocks.
I have never met Graham, though I have read most of his books, and certainly listened to a great amount of his presentations and interviews. He now feels like a friend and a guide to my life as he's been there for such a long time. I would just like to thank him for all his efforts and hard work. He has helped me navigate what has become a difficult life, but his input gives me great hope for my next adventures in the life beyond this reality. Cheers Graham.
Graham Hancock podcast yes!
I love your work Graham. Keep it up.😁
I respect Sheldrake's work. However, there are points I would like to address: many of the traditions he mentions were in fact not Christian in their origin, they are atavisms of the pagan past, and were kept alive because they placated the people. Traditions like "All Souls' Day" are not of Christian or Catholic origin, they are remnants of pagan traditions that found their way into Christian belief. It is not just the Reformation that is to blame for the loss of contact to the spirits of the ancestors. The Reformation merely recognized that many of the Catholic traditions and ideas were in fact pagan. For example, the Catholic "purgatory" was inspired by the Greek pagan "Tartarus", which was adopted into the Christian system as a sort of punishing "hell" (which is very different from the pagan "Hades" by the way). The original early Christians had very different ideas, they believed the dead would sleep until the day of resurrection, where they would come alive in their body again, this is not of Protestant origin, but the actual Christian belief.
Christianity was the very tool that was used to control the consciousness of the people over hundreds of years. It was Roman patricians, like the Flavians, and later the so-called nobility of Europe, that designed the Roman Catholic Church and maintained it as system of power and in order to bind the consciousness of the people. Initially it was meant to counter the rebellious Christian and Judaic Messianic movements at the time of the Romans, and it proved to be one of the most powerful tools of control ever contrived in human history.
To anyone interested in this, I'd recommend Joseph Atwill's book "Caesar's Messiah" and to dig into the history of the Flavians, Alexanders, and Herodes families.
I’m sure Sheldrake knows all this. He is a brilliant man. The fact that some of the spiritual truths of early Christianity were co-opted by Imperial Rome as a method of control and the fact that human spirituality as we know it now it now develops from other traditions in no way diminishes the import or authentic nature of spiritual truths which Jesus taught and lived.
@@oracleofaltoona 👍🤔 I blame the workman, not the hammer!
Very interesting discussion. After my first and only trip on DMT the room started to pixelate, shiva was sat in front of me but then Shiva turned into Ganesh and I went into Ganesh's trunk and a flew past stars and traveled through space so fast, faster than the speed of light, this was the most profound thing that has ever happened to me it has changed my life. I wish everyone could experience these awesome altered states of consciousness
Learn lucid dreaming and you can go anywhere you choose.
Absolutely love Graham
We love you, Graham!
Truly engrossing discussion! Yes Graham, we could use more of this kind of thing. My deceased father appearing to me in dreams and warning me about adverse events to come (which really did occur!) opened my eyes to the existence of realms beyond the material world...and conventional time constraints. I would also like to recommend the works of the philosopher Husserl, who taught me to look at the nature of everyday perceptions of what constitutes reality afresh...from scratch, as it were.
Love you Mr. HANCOCK!
Wishing you & your Loved Ones ONLY GOODNESS IN THIS NEW YEAR!
Thank You for your research, diligence, professionalism, intellectual & personal integrity, calm strength in the full blow of the storm; and of equal import --- your dedication to pursuit of truth & your skill disseminating with both the written & spoken word, your processes & what you have learned through your well considered explorations of several subjects of great import to the human experience and the history thereof.
That said & true sir, I must, in good conscience, disagree with your position as stated here by you -- re heroin (& other unmentioned) highly addictive, physiologically, spiritually, cognitively --- individually & communally destructive narcotics (i.e. "cocaine & cocaine derivatives, opioids, bath salts e.g.)
While i strongly cleave to non-criminalization & non-judgemental love & care for those whom suffer personhood-destroying chemical & non-chemical addictive experiences, I must & do question your statement on this subject that you have here made regarding such truly destructrive narcotics.
Much love Graham & Robert 🙏
Thank you Graham and Rupert!
Cannot wait for the podcasts!!!
Thank you Graham for the persistent focused inquiry you have brought to everything we call established, to lead us deeper than what is currently accepted. I have learned so much just from your questions, it's so refreshing.
This made my day! Would love to get more talks like this more often! Thank you graham , thank you rupert
Excellent discussion! Can't wait to hear more like this. I had a dream once where I accidentally broke into the central point that connected the dream worlds. It was Brahma holding a golden egg, and inside the egg was this massive room, lined with hallways and doors that led to various worlds. It was even run by what I presume were angels or spirit guides. They weren't too happy that I was roaming free and they chased me, but I could tell it wasn't a malicious pursuit - they were just trying to help, I think. I slipped away into one of those doors and emerged into some unknown neighborhood and the air was thick with fog. I kind of see that as it wasn't my dream so I couldn't complete the scene from its substrate. It was so real, the dream has really stuck with me. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get back in there. Haha
Thank you once again, Graham. I love listening to your work
Graham thanks so much for continuing to expand human consciousness through your work. I look forward to more podcasts.
I always enjoy listening in on both Rupert and yourself. I do not challenge as you do but I have experiences well outside of the norm and relay these openly. I appreciate your upload today and look forward to more of these talks in the proverbial future.
Finally, the podcast ive been waiting for for years is coming. Looking forward to this
FINALLY A GRAHAM HANCOCK PODCAST
I found myself clapping and exclaiming in agreement with Graham’s penultimate statement! Thank you both.
Super excited for your podcast Graham.
Thank you gentlemen for being you.
Still makes my mind quiver with excitement
This is one of the most intelligent discussions on consciousness and dreaming etc I've had the pleasure of listening too . Thanks Graham
Great work
This was astounding. I really like Sheldrek’s theories regarding morphic resonance , memory and human consciousness. It make perfect sense. Have been following him for awhile. 🙏
Hey Graham! Well done putting Christianity on the spot! We may be a species with amnesia... but the things we do remember, we should face and process! Perhaps that is one of the steps toward waking up! Also I'm so excited for your podcast! Thank you so much!
thankyou Rupert and Graham
I found this fascinating! I am looking forward to more such interviews and discussions! I admire Rupert Sheldrake's work as well as your many great books and explorations.
I really enjoyed this conversation, specially when Graham states that no religion should get a free pass.
Excellent, Graham! Yes, a podcast would be amazing! Looking forward to it.
Many thanks from Romania! Is a pleasure to hear both of you, thank you!
Up has more ethereal flow.
Down has more standing waves.
I love this conversation. Much respect. 🙏
Watched from start to finish. Mind was blown open. Cant wait for the next!
Many Thanks Graham! This is exactly what I needed to hear today.. I look forward to tuning in to more great convos about fascinating topics such as this! Thumbs up and ringing the notification bell!! :) Thanks again!
What a great discussion! Thank you for sharing.
That was very informative. The similarities and differences of both you work is very intriguing. Thank you for sharing that discussion. I look forward to your upcoming podcasts.
EXCELLENT! Thank you for this discussion that captured my full attention and left me spellbound. So much to think about.
I grew up with some friends who were identical twins the interesting part was that they could communicate telepathically didn’t seem to matter how far apart they were One of then joined the merchant Navy and they could still communicate from opposite sides of the world. You can’t tell me that that’s just pure brain connections, definitely something else
Did they ever do any scientific tests to prove their ability. Would have been pretty easy. Could just put them in two different rooms and ask one what the other was seeing and check via cameras etc. I'm asking because i would love to know more.
I dont know how to explain this but I have identical twins and one day I was sleeping and my baby b stayed with me and my baby A went to the store with my wife. While at the store baby A got a sad look on her face and told mom we have to leave the store now baby B is crying. Wife said ok let's just get these last few items. She was very adamant to please return she agreed. They drove straight home and baby B was at the door crying. Than the same thing happened to me and my mind was blown.
Yes! Please do the podcast!!!
Thx Graham and Rupert. Right there with you guys.
Wonderful shared discussion. Thank you both.
Thank you for these discussions
Waiting for the podcast. Thank you, keep it up
Appreciate everything you do!
This was a great intro into an amazing conversation. I sincerely hope this is just the beginning.
I loved this video and am elated with the possibility of a podcast, the world needs this.
Thank you, i enjoyed the discussion!
Always appreciate your work!
Thanks Graham, for all your work hard work.