DARTH VADER'S ARMY VS SAURON'S ARMY | Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator 2 | UEBS 2
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- DARTH VADER VS SAURON'S ARMIES
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Vader just diving in the middle making mountains of corpses 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Lol
All he is surrounded by is fear...and dead orcs.
The ability to destroy legions of orcs is insignificant to the power of the force 😂
Stacking bodies
This was wild. I feel like Vader's invincibility had a huge effect on the flow of battle, since so many of Sauron's forces were wasting their time surrounding him instead of joining the attack. But your eye for cinematography is quite good.
I agree - Vader sprinting ahead at the start probably occupied at least 100k Orcs and literally stalled the entire central charge. This left an area of minimal pressure in the middle where the droids, clones and walkers could fire safely. Then the archers were focusing their fire on Vader to literally no effect, rather than the other infantry. And then, to top it all off, we saw the walkers firing into the massive wall of Orcs around Vader, probably exploding dozens to a hundred or so per shot.
But it was wild to see, and it's not like Vader wouldn't charge into the midst of an enemy army or Orcs wouldn't be dumb enough to all want to be the one who kills the boss guy.
@@aecides3203 The orcs might be that dumb, but Sauron wouldn't have been. That's the part that is a little off here. Sauron is many things but not stupid. He is thousands of years old and experienced with many battles and would most certainly have recognized Vader's tactic immediately.
@@melmartinez7002 True, but I don't think the AI controlling millions of individual entities is capable of accounting for that.
It's also possible, from a lore/roleplaying perspective, that Sauron just genuinely believed he could best Vader and remove him as an issue and that's why he engaged him. Once he engaged, his options are pretty limited - he can either keep fighting until the job's done one way or another or try to disengage and risk getting lightsabered in the back in the process, as well as hugely demoralising the Orcs even if he succeeds because they've just watched their supposedly unstoppable leader nope out of a fight.
All it takes is a couple of Shire Hobbits and a deranged Stoor Hobbit to drop a ring into the lava of Mount Doom to end the whole thing. The earth then would open and swallow the lot of them. Best place for Vader would be on the Death Star until one X-Wing with not such a bad pilot behind the controls put a one in a million shot down the pipe. Otherwise, a pretty interesting experiement.
Yeah Vader could probably solo this battle
Sauron kept hitting Vader like a tennis ball the entire battle
Потому что Вейдер гондон* (не пытайся переводить, Гугл так не умеет)
* - condom
Vader runs out , force pulls the ring from sauron.....
" MAN I CANT BELEIVE YOU FELL FOR THAT "
total space ball moment.
Yeah man, whatever :o). Another thing is that the ring is part of Sauron's essence and its will is to return to its master ALWAYS so It'll betray its carrier like it did with Gollum in favor of Bilbo so it can be found again by its real owner, that if by miracle you can chop off his finger that is part of his magical armor with another magical weapon, not force fields surrounding things or elemets of nature in the ordinary world. Your are dealing with the occult and black magic of a pure ancient evil spirit...
@@fernando_ar1863 well, Vader is a master of the dark side of the force so...the ring's mental tricks might not work with him.
@@Gargoloso Ring operates on a spiritual level, it has nothing to do with any mental practice of any kind, it'll twist your soul.
@@fernando_ar1863 So does the dark side. Don' t forget that the force is also a spiritual entity and that Vader has Jedi training, so he is master of both the light and the dark sides. Would you think that Vader would fall for the ring like Saruman or would be something different? For Vader appears to be more powerful than Saruman and is the only(??) known Sith to have been able to leave the dark side, even with his master pressing him. I have no answer but could be an interesting question in this context.
Vader could have just cut the ring off with his lightsaber
It looks like they made Darth Vader too overpowered since he appeared to be continuously taking direct hits from giant axes and yet was somehow still alive. Of course, that was more sporting than simply using the Death Star to incinerate Middle Earth from orbit.
Sauron es un espíritu angélico
Or just The Executor dreadnought and a fleet of tie fighters.
I mean they're not going to show Vader blocking every single shot, but he would either be doing that or using a force push to prevent getting hit.
seeing Darth Vader run out to battle Sauron was epic! 😎
I think this deserves a redo. The fact that Vader took on half the army, to me means that this wasn’t an equal fight. Put Vader in the back and try again.
I think both leaders are the type to order their armies "out of the way" to fight the leader alone. It would be fascinating to see a similar fight but with Sauron and Vader targetting each other exclusively and their armies ignoring them. Vader getting swatted all over in the middle of the battle. :P
I'd like to see Storm Troopers shoot for a couple minutes without hitting a single orc.
ya exactly when I saw they were republic era clones I had a feeling SW was gonna take this
you do know that they only missed in the films because 1) they were ordered to in ANH and 2) because the main characters had plot armour right?
This battle was better than I expected. I know Sauron is strong but I didn't know that Darth Vader was this strong! They both took a beating and still kept going. Thank you for the upload. I really enjoyed watching!
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural
This battle forever changed him from Darth Vader to Blood Vader. As he sat atop Orc blood mountain.
Never under estimate the power of fanboism.
Lord Vader could just order the Death Star to destroy Middle Earth. "Single reactor ignition!"
@@statinskill true, but sometimes he just needs to stretch his legs a little bit.
Absolutely unreal, Sauron is immortal and is the most powerful of the maiar, it would have been sufficient for him to hit Vader once with the mace to destroy him
The only real issue ? DARTH VADER DOES! NOT! RUN ! He stalks or saunters like he owns the place !
The vast majority of Sauron´s forces are just pure physical grunts. Vader´s got a massive firepower advantage, incl air and space support. The only things Sauron really has going for him are his own immortality and the Nazgul leader´s prophecy shenanigans, but if slain by a droid he would not have been slain by a man.
It would be hilarious if the Witch King got knocked on his ass in one shot by a droid lol. It wasn't a man so it probably counts lmao!
Just use his Super Star Destroyer from above!!!
I cannot be beat by a Man!
B1 Droid looks around "Are we Men?"
Another B1 Droid: No.
B1 Droid: "Roger Roger!" Blam!
Sauron's immortality didn't help him when Isildur cut the ring from his hand. He can be defeated easily, his immortality just keeps his spirit alive.
@@timothylombard1510He made 1 mistake from over confidence against a magically imbued blade.
Vader makes tons of mistakes against lots of people with no magic.
What no air support? Although Sauron had the Nazgul and the flying dragons of Mordor Vader would have the vastly superior air force of the Empire to back him up. If air support was included in this battle the outcome would be heavily in favor of the Empire and Vader.
Like 1 star destroyer, or Venator.)
Until Sauron starts using his powers
Except Ewoks beat the empire lol
The Empire could simply glass the planet from orbit. There is nothing on Sauron's side- including Sauron- that could stand against the power of the galactic empire
@@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriendsThen Vader could steal the One Ring, put it on, and become unstoppable lol. He could put his own will into it.
I gotta be honest Im a bit disappointed Sauron's army didn't win. I'd say Vader may be the biggest contributor to SW winning this, for drawing so much attention that was going nowhere. When the Orcs were flanking the clones and the battle droids it started to turn, but those tanks in the front were just keeping a bunch of orcs in a holding pattern. If I were to advise the orc army I'd say completely ignore Vader, go around the tanks and focus all of your troops at attacking the clones (haha didn't mean to make the reference) and the battle droids. Once theyre wiped out, shift focus to the tanks. Have sauron keep Vader at bay with his ability and Sauron's army has this win, in my opinion.
Coje más mai 😂😂😂
I wonder what would've happened if Vader put on the One Ring...
Those tanks would win all by themselves.
So you're saying that Sauron and his army were defeated by a distraction fight and they were focused somewhere other than the more important area? Sounds to me like the Vader army won with superior strategy by exploiting a known weakness of its opponent...
thats a great point, well said@@nicholashoma8130
Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne!!!
Vader climbing a mountain of orc corpses...
Wild. Vader held back 1/3 of them. Seeing the orcs move around the walkers and start to hit the flanks is an actual battle move. I was worried the clones weren't going to be able to handle the flanks. But they defeated the left flank and then pushed right. Insane
Yeah I thought once they hit the flank the Empire was in trouble. But it was completely ineffective. It seems that the troopers could just fire their blasters though their own allies without damaging them but still kill the orcs. This seemed to single handedly decide the battle (well that & Vader’s apparently invincibility) as the troopers from the very back row all the way to the front could continuously fire at will which basically created a wall the orcs couldn’t pass no matter how many they had. Very unrealistic as only the first couple of rows should have been able to shoot safely without friendly fire. If that happened then the orcs would have reached the droids & troopers & slaughtered them with sheer numbers.
Yeah, calling crap on the battle conditions with this. Sauron would have darkened the skies for his army (and resulting in reduced visibility for the Storm Troopers). Plus, there seems to have been some kind of infinite ammo unlock going on here.
Storm troopers have night vision infrared all kinds their helmets are advanced
@@Ninjersey1 they're basic shock troops, the empire fits them with cheap armor and weapons because there's so many of them to arm. That's why it never seems to protect them all that well. Plus, if they had infrared built in standard, they wouldn't have been so easy for the ewoks to constantly ambush. Those fuzzy little shits would be putting out a lot of heat.
Does limited visibility effect a man who's such a terrible shot to begin with?
In every one of these battle senareos no one runs out of ammo.
@@feralartDifference being these are clone troopers, not storm troopers. One group wiped out the Jedi order during order 66 and the other were getting beat by them Ewoks some 20+ years later 😂
Personally I think Sauron should be vastly stronger than Vader (since he's an immortal demigod, not a mortal), but Sauron's army sucks compared to Vader's army. So my viewpoint is that Vader's army would erase Sauron's army quite quickly, but then Sauron would eventually defeat the army & Vader solo.
Sauron still got beat by mortals in the LOTR trilogy, and they didnt have the force and lightsabers. Vader could cut Sauron to pieces and use the force to prevent him from attacking. What kind of magic is Sauron gonna use on the spot to beat that?
@@garywilbanks7236 1. Sauron's army is very different from this one, he has men, mumakils, ghosts, fell beasts
2. Sauron alone solos vader and his army
3. you probably only see the movies cause in the books they take 7 years to defeat Sauron
4. Sauron absorbs fire and heat so the saber wouldn't work on him
5. even in the defeat Sauron cannot die cause he is a demigod
6. the ring cannot escape his master unless you cut that off, but that wouldn't work because of the heat of the saber
Sauron's spirit is immortal but his physical form isn't invulnerable.
Isildur was able to cut Sauron's fingers, any plasma gun would be able to punch through Sauron all the way through.
Sauron would have 0 (ZERO) chance of winning this battle by going solo and duke it out with his mace.
Sauron however isn't stupid or afraid of technology. He would adapt to the circumstances and fight by means of siezing control of the minds of his opponents and using their own technology against them.
@@FaithfulOfBrigantia as I said plasma weapons have no effects on Sauron, plus they took 7 years to beat him, also Sauron as an expert with technology and innovation
@@davidecorneli757
If swords can cut through Sauron's Gauntlets, plasma weapons can absolutely obliterate his physical form.
Like you said yourself, Sauron is an expert of technology and inovation so he wouldnt even attempt to fight physically in melee like he did in this video. Sauron would use advanced technology and use his power to corrupt others to his his work for him.
Sauron kept hitting Vader like a ball out of the park 😆
Remember when Vader said the power to blow up planets is insignificant to the force. Sauron couldn't even destroy middle earth, he would be molly wapped by Vader.
Wouldn't Vader more likely have a regiment of stormtroopers with him instead of clonetroopers?
shut up
Ahi en el juego los muchachos son lo unico que hay en material de star wars, aparte de los Death Troopers y los Jedi
Could be Vader just after Episode III!
Aren't Storm troopers and Clone troopers the same thing?
@@earlleeruhf3130 The armor, more or less, look alike, but stormtroopers aren't clones. They are enlisted soldiers instead. Conditioned and brainwashed to serve the goals of the Galactic Empire.
Vader: i got this, guys
Sauron: 1/4th of you attack the clone Warriors!
The remaining 750k build groups of 20's.
Fight him one group at the time! The rest watches with me!!
Run it again, with ammo limits, friendly fire, and without Vader being invulnerable.
Then the whole army of Vader should be there and not just 1%
Interesting concept splicing two battles together like that. Could be some real future potential in this sort of content. Coyld nake for a more dynamic story and different events could unfold in ways where a singular battle just couldnt allow for. I say keep doing that until you perfect it and watch how nany try to immitate your success😊
I like that Vader is nothing more than a piñata to distract the children.
If only the armies on either side had coordination and leadership. Vaders foot soldiers real purpose are to support the walkers and keep them alive. The only chance the orcs had was to overwhelm with melee while the archers deal damage from behind
This is awesome
That one walker in a field of blood, trying to get unstuck 😂
I was wondering if Sauron would go down. Surprised Vader lasted that long, and didn’t use force push like I’ve seen him do against zombies.
It doesn't make sense that Vader is invincible and stupid.
that was one of the coolest I have seen of these vids. First Vader against everyone then Sauron against everyone lol ...really fun
I'm curious if Sauron foresaw this battle, he likely would have brought were-worms, armored trolls, siege machines, and fell beasts to battle. His 9 wraiths would fight as well.
However, I also believe that Vader would sense that Sauron's life force was tied elsewhere, and he would have sought the ring, leaving his army to do the fighting.
Vader has a whole galaxy worth of military equipment and air/space support. No contest.
Imagine climbing a hill of dead soldiers only to meet the lone entity at the top and the last thing you see is Darth Vader cut you in half with a plasma beam before gravity rolls you back down to be buried by more dead soldiers. Only thing worse than that is a pile of dead babies
4:27 Clone troopers and battle droids working together? THAT is a sight to behold!
Nope Clones are dead, those are Storm Troppers, big difference. Clones were discarded.
Sauron is immune to everything but the sword that was blessed by the valar and to be wielded by numenorian men Sauron would’ve wiped the floor with Vader also he can’t have blood since he isn’t a physical being
Would have been nice to see some air cover for both sides ! A tie fighter vs a dragon ! ? ! Great video , the Orcs did better than I thought .
Now do Vader versus a billion younglings.
If the storm troopers did this well, then imagine what it would look like if it was the Ewoks vs Sauron’s army.
Overkill 😂
This was like watching a war between minimally intelligent AI using SW and LOTR skins. I like the idea, but the reality was a shadow of the true leadership/abilities of each commander. This craps on Vader and sauron. The orcs had no tact of their own and droids and troopers are basically worthless too so that part checks out. Vader and sauron were heavily underplayed in their powers
What could be cool, if the orcs picked up the blasters of the fallen storm troopers. Even more funny if some of them accidentally domed themselves
I like seeing the soldiers move instead of standing stationary! Great battle! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Never stop amazed me the kind of things you can find on CZcams, this was really cool
Vader putting in work boy!! Sauron could learn a thing or too, just standing there watching LOL
I can see Vader having a nice day, with Sauron "Hey.. Hey! C'mon..! That's not what was supposed to happen! Hey, you! STOP!"
Oh. My. GOD THAT WAS GLORIOUS! And a little absurd, BUT MOSTLY GLORIOUS! 🤣🤣🤣
Love that sooo epic thank you!
Sauron was once defeated by getting his finger cut off by a sword I don't think he would have lasted as long as he did against lasers and light sabers but so glad to see the AT's hold up they are definitely not being taken down by arrows and swords even though it happens ROTJ it doesn't make it right.
Actually he was not. He was felled by two of the greatest warriors in the history of Middle Earth (both of whom he killed,) and while incapacitated had the ring cut from his hand.
Friendly fire? What's that? Said both armies.
Damn. Ol Darth coulda got the job done solo. Just out there cutting everyone down
That was like Ferrus Manus vs. Fulgrim at the Istivaan V Dropsite Massacre.
Epic battle! Very enjoyable.
The battle droids should have been the first line.
Cool, I enjoy these.
Empire: What took you so long?
Vader: I was busy changing my attire from black to red
Vader blasts middle earth from space with Death Star. Game over
I honestly thought the orcs might have won once they successfully flanked the storm troopers but unfortunately, the flank had minimal soldiers while the majority was held up on the front line. Without Vader and Sauron, I think the Orc's might have won this battle just by sheer numbers. Those guns in close combat would work against the storm troopers and they'd be trampled, confused, shooting each other, and overwhelmed.
A gun in close combat is better than anything else. Come on man
Watching Vader dad jog into battle was something I’m glad to have witnessed
Wow, this was a good battle. Darth Vader was just popping the orcs like a water balloon tring to keep his distance from Sauron.
AMAZED THE STROMTROOPERS HIT ANYTHING
Give Sauron a better army and he wins this, great video by the way... 👏👏👏
Vader was like, “I’m surrounded by dead orcs and…. Fear?? No.. “
They was lightin his asz up at the end 😂
Though, the galactic empire would truly win further, this is only a fraction of the power and number. You know the death star would just blow up middle earth, doesn't matter how many orcs, can be 8 billion.
Then Literal GOD would crush the death star before it even arrived
Loved this video it was really entertaining, but I got to say, it wasn't really a fair fight. Vaders army was made up entirely of guns and the only equivalent Sauron had were archers. The guns can take out enemies from afar consistently. Besides that, I'm pretty sure you made Vader invulnerable to damage. 😂 So, not really a fair fight, but still entertaining.
Darth Vader team wins. Great job, author.
Darth Vader saves middle earth. I'd watch that movie.
Loved this fight. Would like to see it again maybe with 2 million orcs, or 5000 trolls to even it up
Yeah. AI messed up. 250k orcs run into the guns and Sauron + 750k orcs use Vader as a coocky for their game of soggy biscuit...
The walkers could have started a strategic withdrawal while still laying down fire and just basically wiping out Sauron and his army as it charges at them
That's awesome, but seeing the Vader getting YEETED over and over by Sauron's "bonk", is funny as fuck. hahahahahahaaha
Vader, sauntering in to start like it's a night at the opera.
WW1 taught us what fire power does to soliders
It'd be interesting to see the entirety of The Empire vs the entirety of the armies of Mordor. The Emperor vs Sauron, along with all of the lieutenants and air forces from both sides. It's difficult to say who would win; Sauron has godlike power, can't be killed except in bodily form, and can resurrect the dead, cause men to go mad, manipulate the earth, etc., and his lieutenants consist of nearly unkillable creatures, such as the Balrog and the Witch King. However, the Empire has lieutenants that use the Force and are incredibly skilled at melee combat, not to mention the amount of fire power that they have at their disposal. If I were to speculate, I'd say that the Empire would win the physical portion of the war, wiping out Sauron's forces with ease, but Sauron would win the political portion, possibly having his bodily form destroyed in battle, but returning in spirit and using his influence and manipulation to infiltrate the Empire and puppeteer it to his advantage.
KEEP UP UR CONTENT BRO!
Always! 😊
Seeing clone troopers and b1 battle droids fighting side by side is so cool.
They have under estimated d powers of dark lord. Bollets and swords can't hurt him. Nor to his ring.
Magic can not be beaten by ordinary things. Remember d ring can't be destroyed except d firm of mordor where it is born.
Супер 👍 очень интересно ))))
That giant bloody hand print was cool.
cant wait to see what will happen...
Should have been 100,000,000 Storm Troopers. Everyone knows they only hit 1/100 shots! 😂🤣❤
Awesome video, thank you!
Thanks. 1st time viewer.and. new subscriber. Great technical work. If the game took into consideration all the crossfire and possible friendly fire that would have been more stormtrooper deaths, I'm thinking ... Also, it seems like a lot of channels do these types of videos now. May I suggest adding a little setup story or some narration through it. A bit more interest, maybe for future endeavors. Just a thought.
Sauron knocking Vader into space was hilarious!
That's a Battlefront game I would definitely play. 😂
That Sauron is the spongiest bullet sponge I've seen in quite a while.
What a waste of clones. All you need is one star destroyer an a bit of planetary bombardment......
Btw. Why make sauron and darth vader so insanely strong? In the end it was just a matter of who could kill more enemies with their main hero.
anyway, bloody impressive to have battles this size calculated by a computer. Now that is a lot of calculations.
and darth sidious be flying above like baba yaga screaming good goooooood
Hahahaha seeing the Walkers covered in blood is awesome
Вейдер танкует, отвлекая всех на себя 😂😂😂😂
Ага если б стоял вместе с шагоходами а пехота не отступала то штурмовиков и дройдов не осталось. Только шагоходы и бессмертный Вейдер 😅
Good content man. Still, Vader has the force and the Empire has laser weapons + the Death Star. It wouldn't take this long.
Love the way vader spazzes out when he gets hit
Clanker, "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Clone."
Clone Trooper, "What about side by side with a brother?"
Clanker, "Roger roger."
How did Lord Vader survive? He’s bad and all, but Sauron has control over the elements. His willpower is indomitable. He’s an immortal spirit that helped create the physical universe.
To be fair a female beheaded the leader of the nazgoul so he must have limits.
Plus Darth Vader is sauons father
@@djnone8137 The Nazgûl was once human. Lord Vader is human. Sauron the Abhorrent is immortal and nigh invulnerable. His powers include suggestion on a scale far beyond the Force mind trick. Sauron stomps.
@byronmontgomeryjr. the book depicts Darth Vader destroying an entire army and planet by himself.
So the real battle would have been Darth Vader, his entire army, the death star vs sauron if you really want to be accurate.
@@djnone8137 oh please believe that I’m not trying to short Vader by any means. “All I see are dead men!” I’m just concentrating on the one on one. The orcs are done for. I don’t know how much effect The Force would have on someone who helped create it.
@byronmontgomeryjr. yeah 1:1 not sure Vader is kneeling sauron. His only weakness was the destruction of the ring.
Vader obviously would have been capable by telling smeagle you will jump in this volcano
But... sauron woulda smacked him once and aniken would have instantly died. After all, luke lost his arm with 1 swipe of a light Saber.
Epic.
If it was Disney they would have inserted a love story or made this about gender.
Vader charges head first into battle and tornados spins away from Sauron. Sauron's army surrounds Vader who turns into a blinder and grinds up Sauron's army. With Sauron's army defeated, he single handedly takes on Vader and his entire army only to eventually fall. Truly Epic!
Darth Vader! ….. didn’t your mummy ever tell you NOT to run with a light sabre in your hand!😈😈😈😈😈
Дарт Вейдер щегол на фоне могущественного Саурона. Если обращаться к первоисточнику, то мы помним, что Саурон - один из Валар, а их сила взывает к самому создателю (Эру Илуватару). По сути он стоял также вначале сотворения мира, и мог бы запросто положить ему конец.
Wasn’t Sauron defeated by a normal humans. He seems OP here
I don't know if I'd call Isildur a normal human, he is from the the Numenorian King blood line which I think is linked to Elornd's brother Elros both whom are half elves. All that aside it really was Narsil that cut the ring and it was definatly no normal sword. Sauron definatly excelled more in manipulation but was definalty a force to be reckend with on the battlefeild too.
Darth Vader is unmatched. His power was absolute 💪
Vader needs a long bath and a vacation after that. A long day at the office.
It was funny how the orcs where trying to kill the thanks and they simply can't hahaha not letting the other troops in the battle and just dying. But the battle would be a bit more faster and the orcs would die a lot more faster Sauron will be one of the first to die also the trolls to. Vader would not need to do any thing. The real problem for the orcs will be the dead bodies. the just can't run on corpses and so there speed will be a lot more slower. Flanking them would be a big mistake because more troops can shout that way so it was to one sided but it was still fun to watch so thank you for the work.
Love your videos
Most notorious Darth Vader's quote:
Aure entuluva!
I love your video! But I would just say that Sauron can do much more than just swing a club.
No use for the Orc archers whatsoever, instead Sauron would have called upon his Nazgul, ringwraiths, Easterlings (with the Mumakil) & the last remaining Balrog.
Vader would have force crushed Sauron in the first seconds of the battle. Vader= (seasoned World series champion) Sauron= (5 year old T-Ball day one) Not to mention Vader's army was severely Handicaped!!! Let's put it this was! Vader's Imperial army could have taken on ALL Middle Earth's armies and all sides 10 times over!!!
Reminds me of every warhammer total war battle where I'd turn up with
a million units against a small Karl Franz army, and invincible Karl Franz alone defeats my expensive army😅
It seems to me this would actually be much shorter, especially if Vader used the force to take Sauron's ring. OTOH, I wouldn't count on the Storm Troopers to hit anything.
Lol with a million orcs even if they missed they would still hit someone.