Tom and Shiv Clear the Air | Succession | HBO
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2023
- Shiv and Tom decide to clear the air about their relationship, personally and professionally.
The final season of Succession is airing now on HBO Max.
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Tom’s sleep deprivation clearly added to the level of his bluntness
Yup, and I love how thy set that up for this scene to happen. Because this is NOT the Tom we know, and he even knows it after the scene ends.
Tom forgot to HALT..... as in never do or decide something important when you are feeling Hungry, Angry, Lonely or Tired
to be fair he wanted to go to bed and shiv insisted that he stay.@@iorekby
@@iorekby This is a good tips btw. Thank you!
This happens to me too. I felt that
This is like 4 seasons of built up anger finally projecting out. This is one of the best scenes of the series. I hope Sarah and Matthew get their well deserved Emmys.
Seems next year will be Succession Awards featuring Emmys
I mean yeah they are hot and they are going to win, but better call Saul, and the disrespect they got from they Emmys is just ridiculous, their last season was maybe one the best top 10 seasons in TV history.
@@renelimas333 They are literally my two favourite shows and I couldn’t agree more.. let’s share the love! (Also somehow everybody lost best actor to the Squid game guy)
@@renelimas333 The fact either Sarah Snook or Rhea Seahorn will end these two series without an emmy is criminal.
what about jeremy strong?
Everything they said to each other was true, but Tom ultimately understands Shiv much, much more than Shiv understands Tom, which made his insults more effective and devastating.
Shiv had some good insight, but when she called him a "hick" it was complete evidence that she was reaching deep and grabbing air.
I do think Tom being an opportunist who never deserved Shiv in the first place is true. But Shiv also being a spoiled brat who doesn't deserve anybody because she just milks them for their love and then walks away is also true. He's here for power, she's here for herself.
@@chihchang1139 they're cut from the same cloth mentally, even though they are from different classes, that's why this scene is so powerful. I've fraternised with people of such and this is how they truly are. This is exactly who they are.
Shivs there because she's insecure, a woman with daddy issues, that's seeking validation from men that wants to use her and the power that comes through her.
Just look at every guy she's being with, they're all using her.
Well even though he's an opportunist and likes the money, at least he's always been honest about it, and I do think he meant it when he said that he loved her. He really did.
The difference is that Tom could have been happy without the top job if Shiv had given him some love and security but she never really loved him. Tom was just an accessory and a mere tool used in some occasions to get what she wanted. No love on her side, just lies and betrayal. In the end Tom has become like her.
@@steven7846 true! this show wrote a tragedy ending through a marriage and a wedding. That's pretty special
"I have given you endless approval....but it doesn't fill you up because you're broken" 😭😭😭
That line holds so much truth and value. It hits.
I know a lot of nice guys who felt seen in that moment!
BPD is a harsh mistress
I felt that
@@michaelotis223 Shhhhhhhh
"...it's not my fault you didn't get his approval."
This might be one of the most important lines in the series, none of the Roy children have been able to obtain Logan's approval and we have all been witness to the results...
One of his children did. His company.
Hasta cierto punto parecía que quería más a tom que a sus hijos 😂😂😂 pero es que tbm ellos no eran serios como dice logan
Ironically, Tom also seeks Logan's approval.
The difference is Tom has had to adept and compensate for the lack of approval he gets from shiv and Logan
Shiv craves approval because she's never known any other life other than opulence and neglect.
"You have hurt me more than you could possibly imagine." My goodness, the very real pain on his face and in his voice. I hope this cast wins every possible award for this season.
Reminded me of his famous proposal scene ngl
Didn't Kiera Nightly use that same line when she was talking to him playing Mr. Darcy, in Pride and Prejudice?
@@lestonthompson8495 // No she didn't say that....
And people are saying that Tom is being a manipulative liar again and never loved Shiv in the first place. I mean, if that were true, he wouldn’t scream his heart out here.
Yup yup yup yup same opinion. that actor is so good, he deserve more attention in hollywood, he is talented
"you're too transparent to find in a book" wow that hurt
I’m a little slow can you explain that comment to me
@@causticgastrap2835as in you’re not as complex or as nuanced of a character to understand aka ‘read’ like how you read people and read a book
Implying she’s- one dimensional/easy to read/transparent
@@Mike-mb1yf thanks
This is the scene that won them both Emmys
No doubt
100% Acting so good you gotta remind yourself their acting
And Sarah's laugh when Kendall said ''I am the eldest BOY''
Absolutely
Yes, this was their Emmy scene. Good choice on both of their parts. I don’t think people know how awards season works. They both submitted this scene to be considered for the Emmy. And it worked!
The tragedy of this scene for me was how Shiv simply cannot fathom that Tom genuinely loved her, because she's been raised to believe she herself is not capable of being loved. There *must* be some ulterior motive, because as much as that would hurt, it would make more sense to her. Sincerity is highly distrusted in the Roy family, since they've been raised by liars. The fact that so much of Shiv's argument in this scene comes from that place is what makes this scene equally sad for her as it is for Tom, who is of course 100% correct about everything he's saying.
Tom hit the nail on the head when he said "I'm sorry you didn't earn his approval. I have given you ENDLESS approval but it doesn't fill you up because you're broken." Saying she's broken is kind of taking it too far, but he's spot on saying her huge Logan-shaped hole isn't easily filled or wasn't filled by him which is so sad cause he genuinely does love her
100%. Tom actually manifested that fear in to reality by betraying Shiv and admitted to being with Shiv because of her name. While I don’t think she “deserved” it as much as she was a victim of years of emotional abuse which brought a cycle of traumas to her as a person and her relationship with others. At the same time, it is tragic (but it makes sense) that she can’t see that and take responsibility for her faults as well.
@An0n3mu55 What are you talking about? This show is sub-textually about toxic family dynamics and how it manifests in the 1%. The whole premise of the show is Shakespearean and rooted in the characters moving the narrative and not the other way around. So shiv being spoiled and getting everything has absolutely nothing to do with the point. The point is all the Roy siblings are fundamentally broken people, regardless of class.
Just because someone is financially stable doesn’t mean they don’t have struggles in other aspects of life. I grew up very poor but had a very close and loving family, and that has impacted how I see love and the relationships I pursue.
@David have you been watching this show with your eyes closed? This whole show is about childhood trauma and how Logan psychological and physical abuse has effected the kids now into adulthood.
@David With all due respect yes there is something wrong with you.
He didnt give them everything,material thing ,vacations yes but not even an ounce of the emotional aspect. There is difference in not being a good parent and being an abusive, emotionally absent one. They're delusional because he was the one who groomed them think this way.
And it's honestly so funny how you say Shiv backstab everyone but you don't even understand the main theme of the story which is generational trauma..
Tom calling Shiv broken and Shiv blaming Tom for her father’s death hit especially hard. Those are things real people actually say to each other in the heat of the moment.
Broken people do that yeah. It's so interesting to watch the underlying psychology at play here. Great acting too, wow!
Real people are broken, it’s only the liberal upper middle class virtue signallers (many of whom watch this show and like to pontificate) who pretend they’re not.
And of course, blaming others is easier path, and what shiv would say
Yeah, tell me about it.
This was such a powerful scene, Matthew and Sarah deserve all the awards for this
one oscar for every time Matthew makes a hand gesture
They did …
Who is Matthew and Sarah? I only know Tom and Shiv. 😂
just kidding
That gesture when Tom says "broken" is just brilliant
Emmy 😂😂
I wonder if an action like that was created by the writers, the director or the actor at that moment. It's so telling.
@@jlasfdon’t think it was in the script so it might well have been improvised
At that moment she was defeated
No doubt improvised. Brilliant
That line " I gave you endless approval, and it doesn't fill you up because you're broken." summarizes narcissism of Shiv so well.
"I gave you endless approval but it doesn't fill you, cause you're broken."
- Tom Wambsgans
No one wants approval from someone they don’t respect
@@g7924he’s her husband btw
Such complexity, truly an outstanding scene. You can see how deep Tom's comment about Shiv not being a good person to have children hits her. She never wanted children, scared she'd end up like her mother and her children would end up like her, now she finds herself pregnant and the father says out loud quite venomously what she's been thinking about herself all along.
And... they end up together after all the things they've said and done to each other and Shiv seems to become Caroline. For three seasons Succession had been at the top of its game but for season 4 it literally felt unstoppable. Truly one of a kind.
@@lepythagore3288Shiv becoming Caroline is some of the best poetic Justice I’ve ever seen
Not unnoticed was when Caroline saw Shiv for the first time in a while, before she was pregnant.
The quick glance, look, you can almost miss it, and then a deep sigh “Well then!”
They both killed this scene - I just loved how finally we get the raw emotional reaction from 2 characters. No more of the tip toeing around the problems with satirical comments and whimsical jokes. I feel there is a few other characters that also need scenes like this.
I feel like Roman's version of this is on its way with his eulogy for Logan. I'm kinda shocked he even offered to give the speech - I think he has yet to realize what it will require of him emotionally.
@@BatmanHQYT you called it
@@BatmanHQYTbravo
Yes. The show needed this scene
The facial acting is INCREDIBLE
1:20 Shiv's shock at Tom's screaming, which quickly switches when she thinks of something to say in return
1:46 Tom realizing what he is about to say crosses a line, but it's too late to stop himself
1:50 Shiv genuinely hurt by Tom saying she wouldn't be a good person to have children
1:46 absolutely spot-on. I noticed this in my second of the MANY viewing of this confrontation. It’s almost like someone pulling their punches… Tom knew he would knock out Shiv with this line and hesitated for a full second but then decided to go through with it. Season 1-3 Tom would’ve never said something like this but I guess this is what infidelity, constant humiliation, disregard for feelings and your very humanity does to a person
Have to agree x10. I’d go as far to say it’s one of the best scenes I’ve seen in any show ever, really. It’s so emotionally loaded and the acting is so overwhelming I had to pause it on my phone after watching it the first time to just let it sink in a bit. And it’s also crazy that while I liked this episode it wasn’t especially amazing until the last 10-15 minutes or so including this and the Matsson and Kendall scene which was also a pretty fantastic scene. Just give them all the awards.
At 1:20, I also wondered if Shiv got worried for a brief second that Tom knew she was pregnant. Shiv keeps drinking alcohol every episode; it seems like she in fact won't have his baby.
@@MarkElders She’s not knocking back glasses, she’s taking sips (at most) of single glasses. They’re keeping up the ambiguity.
The actors reading your comment: 😐 yeah, that's exactly what we planned 😅
They both won Emmy’s for this episode
*Emmys, not Emmy's
@@donmonkeyquijote🤓
The writing of this scene is so powerful. How she runs out of comebacks after he delivers the most painful part.
Tom summed her up perfectly, and she knows it
Playing Tom Wambsgans would be any Actor's dream role. Myriad of emotions from start to end in one single episode only. And it goes without saying that no one could have perfected Tom except Matthew Macfadyen. He is just an incredible actor. Hope to see him holding his 2nd Emmy soon.
I think he was born to play Tom. It shows the true range and depth he has, I bet even Matthew didn't even know he could possess 🩵
I think he has always been a great actor, this part just introduced him to an American audience.
@@bcent5758 Well, am an Indian and I have been his ardent admirer long before Succession, ever since I watched him in Pride & Prejudice, some 10 years ago. Am truly very happy for him for all the recognition he is getting with Succession.
@@debitaradutta4376I am also an Indian. Succession is my 2nd hbo's show after GOT. I was a big fan of matthew when i watched pride and prejudice during pandemic ( too late !!!😂😂)
@@bcent5758 Uh no, Pride and Prejudice gave Matthew a global recognition. And yet he was still underrated at that time eventhough most people love him in Pride and Prejudice
She was so right when she said he never deserved her. He deserved a looooooot better.
That's right, he does not deserve her, he deserves Greg.
Tom Wambsgans got what his concerns of money and desire for "nice" things earned him. When a man goes the "First, I look at the purse" route when dealing with a rich woman, this is what you sometimes get.
This is what I mean, he used her for her money from the beginning but she’s the bad guy and he deserves better cuz she slept with someone else. Lol ok
Shiv is exactly what someone like Tom deserved
It's almost poetic
And someone deserves a backstabbing social climber?
Tom finally standing up to Shiv and saying everything that's been brewing up inside him for a while is so satisfying. This scene really is remarkable.
"You don't deserve me, you never did. And everything came out of that." A line that encapsulates the tension in their relationship succinctly! Even though there are instances where he displays real feelings for her, he also 'does' use her as a ladder. Brutal stuff.
I think you’re wrong. He always wanted to get to the top with her but later on he also said to forget everything and have a fresh start somewhere else. She just isn’t capable of loving and caring or be loved and cared for because of her childhood
He is striving, but wanting professional success and loving someone are not mutually exclusive. That’s what shiv is missing because she’s always seen these two things as diametrically opposed. Tom nailing her so perfectly here tells me that he does love her because he’s taken the time to understand her deeply. It’s what gave him staying power while she crucified him with her infidelity and “open relationship” pitch on their fecking wedding night. She describes him as servile, when it’s really his ability to comprehend motivations and digest them that gives him a sort of emotional shock absorber. When you love someone you try to truly know them. He demonstrated here that he does know Shiv, including her underbelly.
“It’s not my fault you didn’t get his approval”
Tom….you’ve killed her
"You really kept me safe while you ran off to f*** the phone book"
Cracked me right up.
I love the line "you never deserved me" because she's saying it from a place of superiority, but it's still true because Tom didn't deserve to be mistreated and strung along by a narcissist.
Shiv doesn't deserve tom 😂
No, Tom deserves it. He mistreats everyone he has power over. Everyone.
I think that’s what makes the show good because there’s so many angles to each character but it’s also the father’s fault because that’s what he said to her that she could do better than him, but she settled with him
Are you insane? Shiv is literally the worst character/sibling out of all of them. @@Upsallauniversity123
@@iOakieI think that's what they mean when they say she doesn't deserve him lol. They didn't say "Tom doesn't deserve Shiv."
Might be my favorite scene in the whole show tbh
He said "love" in the present tense.
Also, Shiv did go to her dad (on the yacht) and made him promise not to sacrifice Tom; Logan sacrificed Kendall, instead.
Perhaps underneath it all, they *do* love each other. Shiv was broken, from awful parenting, and didn't know how to recognize or accept real love. She sabatoges the progress of their relationship.
Getting "for real" close to someone can be murky, raw, and terrifying.
Am
Fantastic point. I wish Shiv had brought that up when Tom said she betrayed him. But then again, Shiv said nothing when Nan Pierce conditioned the deal on Tom being removed from ATN.
I do believe she loved him but love has always been a thing to mock in her family and she was unable to see it as anything other than a weakness.
I mean, given how poorly Shiv treated Tom, she does have a point that he stayed with her because of who she is and the benefits.
Like, how can you "love" someone that doesn't value you and cheats on you?
I love how every nasty thing they both said about each other is 100% true. Shiv and Tom were right about everything they said. This is a couples argument where there were no winners. Just mutually assured destruction.
When she said he doesn't deserve her, I thought it was the other way around (:
I dunno about the "your mom loves me more than she loves you" line.
@@pwnatehExactly, Tom was speaking from authenticity (observations he wishes weren't true) while Shiv spoke from insecurity (preconceptions she claims as true). She wasn't nearly as accurate in her observations as Tom. She was trying to poison his well while he was holding up a mirror so she could face her own reflection. It's a tragic scene.
Mutually assured destruction is the most beautifully poignant thing to be said about their relationship
Idk about offering to go to jail line, felt more like it was bait, shiv at times lied cuz she couldn’t handle what was being said about her
If Matthew and Sarah aren't nominated for any Emmys for this scene alone, then I'll be genuinely shocked!
Matthew definitely is. But Snook has several episodes she could submit and win with. Hoping she submits this episode though. My MVP this season.
@@jurney3478 Snook has to win. She hasn't won yet and who exactly is gonna win over her? She's got the season finale buff on a critic favourite show
@Rebel Friend Rhea Seehorn for Better Call Saul also fits all of the above, but I’m becoming increasingly torn over which of the two I’d prefer to win
@@jurney3478 most of the cast definitely will!! Hope Sarah wins tho. She hasn't and that's crazy but she has killed it in every season.
@@rebelfriend1818 I never said she wasn't gonna win. I fully believe she'll win, especially now that she's away from Jennifer Coolidge. I'm saying she has a plethora of content to choose from for her episode submission for the award.
I have lost count of many times I have watched this clip. Its an absolute masterclass in acting. Its rawest, most honest possibly conversation between to 2 people who have hurt each other’s endlessly, up to the point of cruelty which almost makes it impossible to watch. The writing is perfect, the acting is perfect and setting too is precisely right. Its a the type of conversation you don’t want to be part of and yet desperately want to hear every word of. Truly masterful.
The worst part is “you’re not a good person to have children”, him saying she can’t be a good mother in general, no tthat he doesn’t want to have children *with* her. And her saying he doesn’t deserve her. Repressed pain and anger that we saw starting to boil since her mom’s wedding episode, coming back to hunt them both.
And he says it not knowing she is pregnant.
I think most of the things they said were totally true and deserved. The thing for Shiv is that she's never heard it articulated. People criticise and mock Tom constantly -- he knows his place and is happy to muddle along with no dignity as long as he can cling to power & money. Shiv though? She's the daughter of Logan Roy. Nobody tells her the truth or criticises her.
Um no? Have you heard how much Logan criticizes and mocks his children
this is going down as one of the best tv couple fight scenes of all time
The music of Succession is just so magnificently beautiful
I love how everyone inside were so polite they decided to ignore the yelling from outside so they could both wripp each other to death, they were all drinking Tom´s fine wine, class act.
I convinced myself that the door/windows are soundproof
They couldn't hear them.
@@amirparsi4165 well in that kind of place they would be to avoid city/traffic noise. We're not talking about some cheap apt. here!
I’m obsessed with that scene
This is the scene that won them both Emmys. Much deserved
I've watched this clip so many times I've lost count, and it never gets old. I love the acting in this scene so much, and all they conveyed both verbally (while maintaining their American accents) and non-verbally. I think this should be something that is standard to be shown in theatre/film classes.
How this is show that nobody I know irl has seen other than my mother is very frustrating.
This clip is vicious.. I have seen it like 50 times
Perfect acting and writing.
I love that you can hear Sarah and Matthew’s accents come out towards the end. It adds such a raw element. You can see them both get so into the thick of the scene and into the heat of the moment. I hope they both walk home with Emmy’s in September because both of their work is incredible. I couldn’t imagine anyone else playing Shiv and Tom
I wholeheartedly agree. they were perfect from the get-go
heard it too. glad you mentioned it
2:51 When Shiv begins her speech by wanting to hurt Tom and says "you don't deserve me and you never did", the hatred that Sarah Snook puts into this line soon breaks into sadness when she says "and everything came out of that", remembering everything that happened, the death of her father, Tom's betrayal, the loss of her marriage... What an acting masterclass!
I can't tell you how many times i've watched this. I even know all Tom's lines. Such great dialogue.
Unironically one of the most intense scenes I've ever watched in a TV show.
Negan scene from walking dead where he hits main character with bat.
Breaking Bad’s One Minute episode, True Detective’s Who Goes There episode
Check out the films Ingmar Bergman's Scenes from a Marriage, and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
I legit stopped breathing watching this scene, this scene was STUNNING. We knew this was always quietly rumbling among the smiles & awkwardness. But wow, it finally came out & I am stunned
This entire scene won them both their Emmys this year.
The scene after this where Tom gets everyone to leave the party was one of the most heartbreaking scenes on tv.
Wdym it was funny
It was that awkward embarrassment when dirty laundry has been unintentionally waved in public.
"Night, Tom."
They're both not American, yet are having a heated full blown argument with perfect accents. So glad they both won Emmys 😊
Gosh this is one of the best scenes in the entire series. Great dialogue and acting from 2 amazing actors.
The genius of "Succession" is that 99% of the dialogue is snappy one-liners and lies, but that 1% where characters finally speak the truth is utterly heartbreaking every single time.
"You're maybe not a good person to have children" you can see how deep that hits Shiv. Sarah Snook is owed an Emmy
"You dont deserve me and you never did" Could be true in the sense that he didnt deserve to love someone who treated him like an afterthought.
This scene really felt cathartic in a way. For four seasons all we saw were treacherous opportunists who backstabbed each other at any given chance. And this moment of raw pure honest human emotion really blew me away. Just amazing acting and writing!
What kills me is y'all have apparently watched 4 seasons of treacherous people backstabbing each other. I just don't see how that helps y'all in any way whatsoever.
@@etsisk It's just hard to watch the first few episodes. Then you get invested and can't look away from the ongoing trainwreck, so to speak.
It 'helps' because: examining incredibly destructive, broken people is important. The show is about generational trauma at heart.
The writers are clearly accomplished wordsmiths churning out clever quips and clapbacks, but most of this is simply direct and invites the actors to dance instead of programming fancy verbal choreography
Beautifully said. This scene works so well because of the excellent dialogue and the powerful acting. It's a masterclass.
Yeah, the directness of this scene felt incredibly earned after four seasons of doublespeak and coded language. The characters' fear of intimacy is baked into most of the dialogue, so the earnest moments hit like a train to the face.
"Fancy verbal choreography"
*Aaron Sorkin left the group chat*
@@michaelotis223 Sorkin is more combative, so like fight choreography, though of course still fancy and coordinated; I feel like Jesse Armstrong is more like a gymnastics floor routine, like the “ta-da!” is baked in
This scene is an acting masterclass. Every gesture, every movement and mannerism of each character gives more verisimilitude to the scene.
This is just amazing acting
I like how, at the end of the argument, all they can say now is “I don’t like you” and “You don’t deserve me”
All the hurtful things are out of the way, now they’re emotionally grappling with the bombshells
One of the best written/filmed/acted scenes ever.
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally did it! These two talented actors are now Emmy Winners. Congratulations to Sarah, Matthew and everybody else involved in this masterpiece! 🥰
I rewatch this scene every month or so. This is bar none some of the most amazing acting I've ever seen.
“Clear the air”
The air in question filled with the most horrendous personal attacks destroying two people: …
Sarah and Matthew gave phenomenal performances in this episode
Sarah and Matthew
This scene alone is better than Marriage Story
I was mesmerized by Matt’s acting throughout this entire show. Incredibly underrated actor
This scene is just the definition of the word "acting."
The end when she was like "I don't like you and never have" Tom must have been thinking "I know that, have you not heard a single thing I've just said?"
it's a classic woman moment
End of season 3 made me think this relationship was over. But after Logan died, they looked like they were coming back there. This scene killed everything.
When I saw the scene for the first time, I knew immediately that this scene would win them both the Emmy and I'm glad I was proved right.
I’m gonna tell my kids this was the confession scene from pride and prejudice
Uggghh, the look of pain on his face towards the end. 💔
Never thought I would ever feel bad for Tom till this scene. The part after their argument when he tells everyone to go home was heartbreaking.
I am here and its been a year later :( BEST SHOW EVER!!!!
This scene is amazing on its own but the ending makes it among the best in tv history
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what great TV is. Extremely well written and acted amazingly by Matthew and Sarah.
Congratulations to the writers of this episode of Succession but also sending you hugs and comfort for whatever real relationship problems gave you access to those brutal, ferocious insights and I hope you're doing okay!
This is a master class in acting. One of the best drama scenes I've ever seen. The camera work and music are perfect as well.
Most satisfying scene of the series and possibly television history. Tom finally shows a set of balls.
Genuinely one of the best scenes of TV I've ever seen. This has been an incredible final series, it's always been a great show but it's reached god tier in the last few weeks.
This scene is so visceral, I feel like I experienced this fight personally, and I think in a way I did, and this captured that so intensely that every time I watch it I'm brought to tears again. So intense and so real. Bravo.
A perfect scene perfectly played. Something that really conveys the realism of a fight like this is how trivial, bugging elements like the "undrinkable wine" get thrown in as ammunition. It's very much a "And you never empty the dishwasher!" argument.
Phenomenal scene. This was painfully beautiful.
Wasn't expecting this scene, came out of nowhere and hit me like a train
Give all the Emmys to Matthew and Sarah
One of the greatest scenes in contemporary television
“Im sorry…I’m sorry but you have hurt me more then you can possibly imagine” the fight with a narcissist is so brutal and this showed it. Someone who just thinks your opinion doesn’t matter for so long and you give up hope
You are always, at best, a side-character for a narcissist. Classic 🤪
Who’s the narcissist in this case?
@@KD-oy8qt Shiv is the narcissist. Tom just wanted her love. And she continually showed that she would choose power over him. For her to even say "HE BETRAYED HER" is some serious sociopathic narcissist thinking. All she did was continually betray him at every turn. Till he finally stood up for himself and did it once. And now she knows how it feels. The writing for her is incredible. The scene is incredible. Like @Seriouspony said, she is her own main character and only her feelings matter in her world.
The scene that won both of them the Emmys 🙌🏾👏🏾
The most realistic fight I’ve ever seen in film or television
The great thing about this acting is that you can see the little moments where they know they are going too far, and they keep going anyway
Best scene by far on the show
Watched this scene twice during the episode and have clicked it every time it pops up on CZcams. Still hasn't got old.
It's been less than a week since it aired. I certainly hope not. 😄
This was the most powerful scene of all seasons. They both deserved Academy Awards for this scene. I am glad “woosey” Tom finally got the nerve to tell Shiv who she really is . . . BROKEN!!!
“Because your broken”
I felt broken after he said this 😢😢😢
One of the best scenes of Succession bar none
This really made me cry, they hate each other so much and they don't need to.
Tom didn’t hate her, he loved her and said it again. The fact that he stuck around while she crucified him speaks volumes.
One of the greatest scenes of all time. Blows me away every time I watch it
Simply one of the greatest scenes in television history
I particularly love the line, "You are too transparent to find in a book.".
Tom offering to go to prison was a trust game that went wrong.
I've known couples where one person will offer to do something difficult or painful for themselves or friends, knowing that their partner loves them and will chivalrously step in to prevent them.
The person offering is allowed to look generous and noble, in the certainty that they'll never be asked to follow through.
Tom played the game but Shiv didn't openly step in, so he was left feeling vulnerable and unloved.
2:38 Tom finally realised that shiv is essentially just a grown abused child, who resorts to malice as a defence tactic. 3 minutes is the point that even Shiv herself realised she doesn’t believe the things she’s saying, hence the bork from her. Very sad and shows that wealth does not shield children from abuse. Beautiful scene.
He’s so used to her having her guard up with sarcastic quips he didn’t expect to hit her this deep to the point where she became an incoherent mess