U.G. Krishnamurti - The Black Hole of any Belief
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2017
- Books on U.G. Krishnamurti:
Mind is a Myth - amzn.to/3erGeYi
The Courage to Stand Alone: Conversations with U.G. Krishnamurti - amzn.to/3enKIiU
This Dog Barking: The Strange Story of U.G. Krishnamurti - amzn.to/2ZnDG9m
He calls people we admire joker, bastard, fool etc. it just knocks the shit out of people
this reminds me a little of the Greek Anaximander, 610 BCE, who said: "My people, I have some bad news and some good news for you. The bad news is that the world came into existence, it is a mistake, a demented evil. Everything was good when emptiness reigned. Then some evil accident occurred and the world separated from the void and came into being. There is no way out for us now. However, my people, I have some good news: the world will soon disappear and all will be well again."
lol i wonder what happened then, now its global warfare using coldwar tactics and bioweapon from a fake communist country
Thanks for this...interesting to know.
Anaximander plagiarized from the Vedas! But he failed to copy fully. The third act is, 'and it will start all over again'. Loopy 😂
"mother Theresa is a lesbian bitch" I almost spit out my tea drink at that point. LOL!
Isn't it what all of us secretly think though. But out of politeness we shut the thought inside our heads. Christopher Hitchens and U G Krishnamurthy should have met! What a gem of a conversation that would have been to enjoy 😊
U.G. is like a bad shroom trip. Shows you how terrifyingly insignificant you are but still gain wisdom from it
@Mir Bogusz I see no "resentment nor anger" you see nothing
but hes wrong about vitamins
@@AXharoth if u leave like u g not working, tension free. I think u don't need anything and normal food is enhalf.
Miroslaw Bogusz you have a preoccupied mind. Listen to him with unbiased state of mind. You will be free
You are right. It is terrifying. It would be cruel if there is some kind of conscious Creator and it did this to us willingly.
Basically a grumpy Yoda, love him.
Didn't see anything grumpy about him
"Thrown out of my system completely it was."
That's not grumpy. More like passionate, wrathful, rage.
2:48 "I don't accept anything that is born out of human thought. It is mostly destructive. Thought is the enemy of us all. " So true.
anatureperson hehe, but 'not accepting that is born out of human thought', is a thought itself.
But how could we communicate and work together without thoughts. If I am building a house, how could I build it without knowledge, information and thoughts?
Same here lol I love lettinv my thoughts free and just be @@NOBODYS_HERE6969
@@NOBODYS_HERE6969 Yep, same as me lmao
Except his own thoughts on thoughts, >:)
‘There is no reason for us to be saved’ I wonder if people ever thought this would all the chaotic stress and worry in the world dissipate , or would we become reckless?
Obviously you already have an answer for the very questions we ask are born out of the answers we already know, but I will just mumble for the sake of mumbling. Being "saved" the desire to become something other than what you are is what is creating the problems. Whether or not the world will become that what you call heaven or utopia or chaos and stress will dissipate might be redirected , that is perhaps you might wonder what would be if we allowed nature to be without a motive, an agenda, without imposing our ideas of peace on to it. Look into yourself and ask. What do you see peace or chaos if being saved is left out of the equation?
This guy's logic knocks all religion, philosophy, psychology and spirituality and then itself into a cocked hat leaving absolutely nothing. Brilliant!
You mean, brilliant bullshit, this is nihilism , just because he talks in a philosophical way doesnt mean he is right
Infinity Traveller777 funny enough u find yourself on UG’s video
@@infinitytraveller7772 what do you have against nihilism
@@infinitytraveller7772 Because when you expose the lies humans devise to tell themselves they are valuable, eternal, loved, saved etc., What are you left with? UG seems to be at peace in the face of all of this unknowing and failure and unfulfilled dreams and broken promises. That's what I find compelling in him think.
@@infinitytraveller7772hes not a nihilist because hes not rejecting everything just for the sake of rejecting everything, nihilists write books and give lecture trying to get everyone to conform to their belief, this guy is saying he doesnt do "labels" he cant be an atheist because that in itself is a belief and a group of ppl trying to convince the world of their belief and theory
I love videos like this that make me question all my beliefs out
Exactly
Much appreciation for sharing this kind man's teachings. ♥️🕉️☮️☮️☮️❤️
That cold cut to "good day" killed me 😂
I’ve listened to UG on youtube for seven years now and I still can’t tell what he had talked about. But I realize that thinking about insignificance and meaninglessness of life don’t bother me much as they used to.
U are just flowering
Do you remember what anyone else said? I find it hart to be honest.
Keep listening.
No point listening to him just carry on with whatever the fuck that your doing
That much is more then enough 🌼
Both Interviews of Luc Sala with UG is Unique !
27:18 "There is only a belief, and there is no believer".
Few years back I'm listening my understanding goes deeper thanks ug and uploader
Life-changing messages
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿
Lmao he is such comedian that I enjoyed each moment of the video.
Anything born out of thought is destructive- no frills like poetry, love....
Please don't disturb him with questions, let him be quiet!!!
UG has disturbed you!
@@janakirama4849UG is a small crazy self assured rat
The Best man on the planet
U. G.
UG..._/\_... No words, just salutations... _/\_
Love you ug sir!
by explaining what is-not, he shows what is.
though it seems counter-intuitive and paradixical, his teaching can definitely liberate if heard and understood.
one must be at the proper place in their path to integrate this wisdom.
All this talk about nothing.I love every part of it. Thanks 🤐
Freud was a Fraud.. I love what he says.
A beautiful and fiery awake being!
UG talk is like a mirror. It cannot help you. That's what UG is saying. I cannot help you.
But, having a mirror, we can look at ourselves. By looking at the mirror, I can come my hair daily. I can make sure my face is clean and free from pimples. I can see my body whether in good shape or not. If I am fat, I will exercise to reduce that fats. And no need many more benefits that a mirror have. So with the mirror we can do so many things to help us without asking others.
Thanks for the mirror.
That use of the mirror as You describe it , is only increasing and perpetuatink the judgements placed upon the ordinary Individual by the society and giving continuity to those believes about the healthy#acceptable way of existing.
*Let the pimples grow*
*Let the belly be round*
The idea for the need of a mirror , to realise what you are , is designed by con-spycholigsts.
They take away your money and leave You with nothing but futile exercises like : loving yourself .
Shoot them aLL on sight !
Smash the mirrors .•°
@@farrider3339when you smash the mirror you become delusional and think it’s freedom to throw it without considering others because you don’t like the reality we are living in or yourself to a society that is imposed to us, you only can act accordingly to stay sane and survive .. like UG said « there is NO WAY OUT » .. look at the mirror 🪞 before you interact with others
UG was a redeemed man indeed.....
8:12 the reaction of interviewer is priceless
I love this I don’t know what to call it but I love it 😂
Thanku sir great men
Oh man this would be next level if U.G. talked with Christopher hitchens.
The best by far
Reality is like a room in the bigger room. I remembered one sound from Bob Dylan Poor Boy, in the lyrics, it said Asking room service to send up a room .Sounds stupid but there are a lot of Poor Boys in this world.
Luuc had iets anders verwacht..... UGK Rocks!!!!
It's just a matter of saying same things in different ways. I, You - It's all from everyone in different ways. Still they like to separate somehow!!! Fortunately or unfortunately, he is also in same entanglement. We too. What a fun....
🙏!
19:14 truth bomb imo
Past is dead no more journey
Where is the subtitle for this video ? I can't hear hin clearly 😣
So do sociopaths and psychopaths throw everything out of their system? I mean, they feel no remorse, no regret. They appear to live in the present. Sometimes I think they see more clearly than we do. Which is frightening. We have to keep the charade up. UG is like that but without any "evil" desires. Yet he says about JK that "I was not a nice guy to my best friend." 19:40 But he only told JK the truth.
I am new to ug Krishna Murthy....I love this guy cz nothing else I can do 😂😂
If your mind can describe beyond mind your still in mind
my still in mind?
"The only things I have only ever found interesting is things that are dead. Nothing existing has never interest me."
-U.G. Krishnamurti
From all the videos I’ve seen, he always said the opposite. He’s never been interested by anything past or dead. The most famous interview in which he said that was in the show « Thinking allowed ».
What are you smoking?
Can any body tell about books on UG speeches..
See the paradox. He says death cannot be experienced. Yet giving elaborate definition of what happens at death!
yea he says its the end of experience to experience what death is like you need to be alive to experience it, no one has ever experienced death
@@nicbarth3838 that's called b*ll sh*t
UG is like Hobbes without the contract.
Did this interviewer want to kiss him, or try and gain more knowledge by sniffing his breath😂🥴
Hehehehe, so simple he is, his expression is like children
I would like to ask the people who are willing to answer. "In your terms, How would you describe the quality of the people like us?" Considering we are in the first few hundreds of people to watch this on CZcams.
Why have you come to see this? Do you think what he has to say important?
I would really like to talk to someone about this. I have a feeling that if more people could understand what he was saying the people of the world could perhaps make the choice for the world to be a better place. Would the viewers of this material tend to agree?
I feel like I understand how some people could think there is no will and some people could think that there is will. Some say neither, some say both.
Personally I love videos with him because listening to him makes me feel good about my belief that I do not need anything to be free, not even this belief, I am just glad to feel like I share it with you. Which is how it is for me. Freedom is not even a question. U.G. Knew there was freedom the same way he knew he was a man, he has said free will does not exist at all at times and I think that free will would not exist in thought how we know of it if we had it completely and totally. That's it isn't it, there is only about freedom.
I have recently talked to people in my life mentioning the phrase "Freedom is free of the need to be free." It is nice and perhaps a bit uncanny to see it said here.
I heard it originally from a Funkadelic song . I love that band.
Thank you for reading.
Anybody who has understood him would never visit his videos again least comment on them
Yet here we are. I do not need to play a game with you. I don't know whats more useless. Someone commenting on this video or someone commenting about how another should not comment. Yeah good luck buddy.
Or at the very least tell someone they do not understand someone after they say that they do.
Well by "u" I din mean "you". You can replace the "U" with "I" but the meaning doesnt change. UG use to say if anybody understood what he was saying, he would not come back. So if I had understood him, I would not be commenting here. No need to get mad at me buddy.
I am not mad. I just think you are not willing to participate in a conversation that is constructive toward the conversation I would like to have. Maybe I want to be here commenting on this video and I'll be damned to have someone tell me what it means for me to be commenting here and inquiring into individuals who may share my particular inquiry.
🎉😊
22:46 If he doesn't get it, no one else gets it either and are only deluding themselves. Yeah, no.
@6:04 ... i am ug krishnamurty, what is your name ? and then they introduced themselves in a very strange way "i was queen victoria in my past life, what were you ?" .... ... nothing was left for me.
hahahaha. pardon me.
The interviewer interrupts too much, for me to enjoy this.
It seems that he is an Modern Agori... Because in my understanding that he claims. that no one is before (or) Present (or) in future to Equals to Compare.Only a person who is an Agori live in the Form of Shiva can Command this.......
1:03 "did knew each other"??
Yes - they grew up together and were friends UNTIL ~
hihi .•°
We are not ready to accept that we are no more important than mosquitoes. The female mosquito needs the haemoglobin for its continuity. - 😀😀😀😊😊😂😂
Whether he likes it or not , UG is more of a Chārvaka..with a shade of the nonchalance of a quadruped on a steep mountaintop.
There is one mistake U.G. makes which itself comes from an early 20th century paradigm. A linear system is one where the outputs change in a linear way relative to the inputs eg if the inputs double, the outputs change in a similar way such that if you plot them on a graph, there would be a straight line.
Linear system:
Inputs-->System proccesses-->Outputs
For the unitary movement to generate predictable response from known current situation--- ie where the future depends only upon the past and the present ---the output of the system must have no feedback upon the system.
For simple systems, this usually holds. Even for complex systems, it is often possible (within a small local state-space) to make linear predictions ---for instance 'Newton's law of gravitation is good for most terrestrial purposes.
However, when you're trying to make predictions that go beyond a certain time or position in state-space, for complex systems, predictions become impossible. An example of this is predicting the orbit of Mercury or understanding why light is bent by galaxies.
For understanding such complex systems as underpinning gravitation, a non-linear formulation---General relativity---was needed. This theory and its equations encapsulate something called feedback---the propensity of outputs of a system feeding back into the inputs---to either amplify the inputs or suppress them.
Non-linear systems:
Inputs/previous outputs-->System proccesess-->Outputs/new-system-inputs.
Examples of non-linear systems include the human body (especially the neuronal systems giving rise to consciousness), the climate & weather, geological processes etc.
The interesting thing about non-linear systems are as follows:
1) Internal system complexity controls how external input information is interpreted
2) The internal system models external realities in order to create a simplified model of reality for which decisions about what to do arise from internal processes---ie, the system is it's own council, separate from the outside world.
3) The emergent system outputs can and do influence their simpler internal underpinnings eg, the future feeds back upon the past, potentially changing the cognition underpinnings.
4) Simple components of a system can form unexpected relationships with one another leading to emergent outcomes which themselves can interrelate. This propensity prevents deterministic predictability. Instead, science can only model non-linear systems stochasically (using statistical mechanics, probability, etc)
5) Non-linear systems can lead to chaotic processes that follow the geometry of chaos---a fractal geometry.
Non-linear systems are passive in the sense that they are still deterministic in underpinnings, but with unexpected outcomes due to higher order emergent relationships forming that cannot be modelled with current computers. It has even been argued that the universe itself is a non-linear computational system and that to deterministically encapsulate the universe in one theory would require a computer the size and power of the universe itself. Thus, even if the universe is superdeterministic, there is no way to predict very far into the future for any non-linear sub-system of the universe (eg the weather). As the mathematician Kurt Godel showed, no set of axioms can predict non-linear emergent relationships such that mathematical formation will never totally encapsulate the universe.
As such, the notion that the universe is a unitary movement whilst true, it is unfortunately not adequate to suggest the future arises entirely from the past. Rather, the geometry of the universe itself generates unexpected relationships that give rise to changes that could not be predicted from the system components themselves.
Non-linear systems are resilient to change and perturbation---to a degree. The mind can adapt to external perturbation and resist influences. This is why logical arguments fail to convince others---the internal mental perceptions rearrange any data inputs to suit its own structure. Only completely overwhelming change would change anybody's global-perception-matrix enough to lead to a re-arrangement.
This level of change would likely lead to a total mental collapse and the breakdown resulting would be most discombobulating. However, after such a rearrangement, a new global perception matrix would arise. Thus, the mental state of UG ---which didn't really play a different tune throughout the post calamity period of his life---was merely a different non-linear structure, itself subject to the properties and propensities of complex systems.
This is why he said that to his mind, three is no such thing as enlightenment---because his own mental perceptions had changed, but the processes of his consciousness were the same as everyone else's despite him believing a different set of ideas.
There are no mistakes. The unitary unfolding, regardless of whether it's linear or non linear, simply cannot make a 'mistake.' it's an imputation on our part to assume something is amiss. Nothing ever has been, nor will be.
@adamhiggins280 the unitary movement of the universe folds back upon itself---feedback. At any rate, UG's ideas on the unitary movement came from conversations he had with David Bohm, who described in detail his theory of the holomovement to UG (video on CZcams). Closed isolated systems come into being when open or closed unitary movement folds in upon itself to generate emergent order. Bohm described this as an implicate order (a genotype) that undergoes further evolution explicating layers of higher order emergence which give rise to an explicate order---a phenotype. It's a feature of the holomovement, not a mistake. Explicaye order then feedsback upon the system as a whole. The only way division and order can exist in a unitary movement is by auto-interactions leading to self-organisation. The folds generate secondary and tertiary interactions leading to emergent features and order built upon order. The holomovement is both divided and integrated in such a way that reductionism cannot predict its outcome but nonetheless, the emergent outcome is deterministic. Nobody said something was amiss. Merely that 20th century reductionism cannot describe the universe; whereas, exploring self-organising non-linear dynamics can model consciousness and the physics of the universe. The content of consciousness and the universe aside, the universe and biological systems fundamentally arise out of secondary, tertiary, quaternary etc interactions which are not consequent of the simple characteristics of the system components but rather, the resulting ecology of the system that arises and its topology/geometry.
This is very insightful, David Bohm was on to something or nothing really. How can I have a better understanding of what you are saying? I am reading wholeness and the implicate order now.
@@JDZulu Well, what I've discussed is a brief precis of complexity theory. There are lots of topics and sub-topics which come with tonnes of jargon that takes a bit of reading to get your head around. There are lots of resources on CZcams looking at Non-linear systems. One of the best resources for beginning is this playlist:
The main set of playlists:
www.youtube.com/@SystemsInnovationNetwork/playlists
The best starter playlist on non-linear systems:
czcams.com/video/756Prp8THiM/video.htmlsi=PZqhWj5ixEK-dlmI
Comlex adaptive systems:
czcams.com/play/PLsJWgOB5mIMCiKZu61rKFT_-TncWzylN8.html
However, there is also a great ebook review on self-organising systems here:
issuu.com/gfbertini/docs/self-organizing_systems_-_frequently_asked_questio
This is some review and is best read after having a good background in non-linear systems.
Cybernetics as a topic can be read about here:
archive.org/details/B-001-024-522-ALL/page/n5/mode/2up?view=theater
Emergence vs Self-organisation:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181524/pdf/cib0404_0469.pdf
Other topics needed include:
1) Cellular automaton
2) Autopoesis
3) Evolutionary computation
4) Random boolean networks
5) Extropy & Stigmergy
I won't lie, it's taking me a long time to get my head around it, and I'm still working on it. However, I believe that complexity theory is the future from a scientific point of view. Understanding consciousness will no doubt utilise complexity theory.
Another more digestible book (written in the 1960's) is Mechanism of the Mind (Edward De Bono). It's a fairly jargon free book that uses analogies to put across some of the concepts of self-organisation. An old book, but it gives laymen a taste of what self-organisation might have to do with thinking and consciouness.
@@dougmarkham Bohmian mechanics, apart from not making sense relativistically, has the same problem as all interpretations of quantum mechanics, namely that it can't explain the interconversion between mass and radiation unitarily. In fact, the mass of a particle (fermion) enters the theory as an adjustable parameter. Ughh! To do better, one needs to work with mass density, which requires a superdeterministic theory, i.e. where the (stupid) statistical independence assumption is dropped. This allows for local realism. Ironically, when going beyond Bohm's paradigm in this way one actually returns to the old paradigm of the 1800s, and to linear equations. Therefore, it's incorrect of you to say that Bohm's paradigm is superior to U.G.'s. The best superdeterministic theory is the extended Maxwell's equations developed by John G. Williamson. He has videos here on yt.
Essentially, the issue in modern physics is the assumption of point particles, just like U.G. has pointed out. If this assumption is dropped and internal structure is allowed for, there is generally a statistical dependence between the "particles" (the observer and the observed) before a measurement, because both their internal dynamical variables carry memory effects from a past encounter. Bell's non-local interpretation is thus just alot of nonsense. Sorry mate. My essential point is that U.G. is absolutely correct.
In John's theory, just like radiation energy density is the sum of the squares of the electric and magnetic fields, the mass energy density is the sum of the squares of the additional fields in the theory. Radiation and mass enter on the same footing. This reminds me of when U.G. pointed out that light and sound are interchangeable and that matter is sound (thought is matter and thought is sound -> matter is sound). This is precisely what John's theory states with equations. Even Dirac would be jealous of this theory.
He is such an enigma... lol...he gets it so right and fucks it up and gets it so wrong...lol... Religion...divinity the bullshit of gurus and then he loses it in arguments from authority... hey it works for him... maybe thats where ppl need to wake up.. then we can all be out own gurus ;)
UG seems to point at that there's no such thing as an individual
@9:07, I'm nodding yeah..,suddenly UG stares at me asks me to explain what he just said...no more nodding!😋😫
We make beliefs into idols.That's the issue
The Most subversive man the planet has ever seen
Host needs to respect UG little more, He is sitting too close, on top, cutting UG off when he wants with his loud voice and changing topic when he wants while UG is still on same topic.
A Liberated Soul....
@Helios From MIND and from Time.
wish this person would stop smacking the damn table
He needs to smack the interviewer instead for constantly interrupting him.
"Music is nothing Beethoven music is nothing" come on dude
Of course its nothing
@Maher Maher : SURE it is nothing !
It is cultural input...
You even have to get used to it by repetition .
Otherwise it makes no sense at aLL .•°
@@farrider3339 So what he was talking about was just "cultural input" RIGHT! my friend: Krishnamurti look like have very bad day. in This interview.
Similar to Alan Watts
It doesn't matter how rich or poor you're. Unless everyday you return back to your natural state of nobody ness in your state of deep dreamless restful Sleep. You can't function with yoour mundane normality of I'm ness. In sleep you're nobody and nothing.
Everyday you renounce. For before you're going into yyystate of sleep You'll have to renounce the entire Universe and everything that's within this Universe including all thoughts of your emotions feelings love hate etc etc..
When you renounce everything simultaneously you also renounce your I'm ness and yourself in its wholesome totality. Then in any way you're no different than someone like UG... Everything else is nothing but your own assumption of your imagination.. 😂,🤣😜😂🤗😘❤️👍🙏😝
What is the motivation for a person to live after completely believing in what UG says?
If you understand and don't get attached it makes life easier and more honest. You see a risk because you still value some illusions of yourself. I don't mean you but in a manner of speaking.
If you believe anything, you haven't understood a thing.
Haha .. i get it mark. But though i know everything i have now doesn't matter (not just materialistic things), i still feel like living this life full of imagined realities(like countries, money, career, love).
shraman kumar any reason is a good reason! Take care (:
I can get the same feeling sometimes when listening to philosophy like such. If nothing's real and even if there is reality, it's a futile thing for humans to grasp, what's the point, right? Maybe there is none and that is the point. Or maybe not. I don't think I will ever know, or want that security.
I would've gotten that apple for him for free.
Journey soul death takes everything leaving nothingness lifestyle
Is politics reality ???
I'm not clear on what his criticism of Jiddu krisnamurti is.
Come on man, I've still got $10 to spare! It could be yours ;)
I'm interested.
that Jiddu krisnamurti was full of shit. but funny thing, he also was.
@@leosharman8630 JK's point was the you can't understand and he can't communicate it, so why listen to him at all for other means than pure entertainment?
We are need machines.
We are people who need things, and we build machines.
We are not any "need bullshit"
All imagination... everything
........
This guy gets irritable about everything. Better not to ask him any questions
he is already died
Ok so I'm just going to eat saw dust, glue and mud and smoke and get addicted to opium. Great advice buddy, let's see how that works out for people. If it's so good why doesn't he do that.
don't forget what comes right after that passage where he says: "I am not asking anybody to do what I do"
@Helios Yeah I did get triggered by that guy.
Starts to be boring. Brilliant but mostly sophistic, he always speaks in terms of negation of every statement.
You can go from negation to the positive (just a thought)
That's his method
Every thought I've ever had is a lie
Part of me questions whether he really believes what he is saying or is he being a provocateur
hi. Usually provocateurs are not coherent. We was.
Hes just the off brand JK
"Homocentric thinking" 🤔...(🌈🦄?)
So is this guy a nihilist? Does he believe in anything?
Yes, he was a nihilist.
terminalgremlin
Understand bs
Tariq Jamal Nawab pessimism is a bit more nuanced than Nihilism I think epistemological nihilist
You compartmentalize it in your way, for yourself. No person is actually a nihilist, optimist, whatever; these are relative ideas and not factual, concrete things
This guy is just a peverse contrarian.
HOWEVER MUCH i rack my brains, to put this man in a 'slot' as a thinker....i utterly fail...because he is projecting himself as an 'incorrigible fool'...that's what. he is incoherent to the point of absurdity. his one liners are nothing but dead-ends. he s one person who rejects the 'entire human enterprise' on earth as of no consequence......it is just that he does not believe in anything.
That's what "liberation" looks like .
Sorry to say that.
It has nO social value or content .•°