Never in my life have I heard a commentator use the word bamboozled. Zamo really had lost a lot of her bam! on floor, but still very powerful and spectacular.
compared to other routines that were scoring in the 9.7 and show little variety this routine should have been scored higher for not only completing many combination elements in her already hard tumbling, she also had very difficult dance elements too. That is why they changed the scoring system..its funny how this routine would still mostly work for today's scoring system
You are exactly right. This code was a complete joke, focusing solely on dance and ignoring tumbling form. This routine was far superior in execution to the one that ended up winning floor gold but got a laughable score. If even the teeniest error was made on a dance element it was discounted and deducted, while abismal tumbling was accepted.
@@saragrant9749 we've disagreed on the 2004 already in other threads but I just wanted to point out that at the 2004 Olympics Zamo actually had downgraded tumbling compared to 2001, when she did a Silivas (super E) instead of Double Layout (E). The other tumbling runs had the same value so she lost 0.1 in start value from the tumbling. Again, it's not correct to say that this COP focused solely on dance, you could get to 10 SV just with four super E tumbling runs. But almost nobody was doing that level of tumbling at the time, that's why they had to do the tricky dance elements, often in combination, for extra bonus points. It is however true that sloppy tumbling form wasn't so critical in 2004 (though it also wasn't critical before that), that's why Ponor and Dos Santos could score over 9.7 and 9.6 (see Dos Santos' 04 QF routine and 2003 WC EF routines). But that's the nature of previous COPs. Even the legendary floor routines by Silivas and Shushunova in 1988 had tumbing form that would be considered sloppy today (even double back tucks were cowboyed).
@@poshbo Zamo had downgraded, without a doubt. I always wondered if injuries during the time leading up to those games were the cause or if she just couldn’t complete what she used to with as much consistency. The part of that code that was problematic was it didn’t have an equal focus on all aspects of what floor should have been about- dance AND tumbling. While it’s definitely true no one was doing that level of difficulty in tumbling it should never have been that hard to get a 10 SV. What’s unfortunate for Dos Santos was she could always manage great qualifying scores… but would always end up out of bounds in finals which is costly no matter what system you use.
@@saragrant9749 In previous quads it was easy to get to 10 so the whole point of the 2004 COP was to make it harder to get to 10 just on tumbling, forcing more gymnasts to start focusing on dance elements, which very few gymnast did. In fact, the FIG even introduced an artistry requirement in 2001 and began deducting for lack of artistry and choreography. The "general impression" criterion which was used in the 80s and encouraged ballet like choreography had been removed by then, resulting in robotic routines from the likes of Amanar and Gogeon. So in that sense, that 2004 COP did focus on both tumbling and dance, whereas previous COPs mostly were about tumbling. The problem was that this forced big changes from previous COPs and many power gymnasts like Zamo struggled with the dance elements. Whereas gymnasts like Ponor adjusted well to the dance requirements (her opening triple spin (D) + Popa (C) got her 0.2 in bonus within the first 5 seconds). But it also left audiences confused about the scores since falling short on a jump, leap or spin wasn't so obvious an error, so it became unpopular. Re Dos Santos, her main problem was rough landings, she never learned to control them consistently. Nobody taught her to rebound out of tumbling using leaps and jumps, something which Khorkina already did to eliminate deductions. In fact, Knorkina was very innovative and in the 2000 quad she was already doing a double cat leap (D) + Shushunova 1/1 (C) for 0.2 CV, which worked very well in 2004.
@@poshbo that is definitely true- and was proven by Dianne in both Athens and Beijing (though she’d have never beaten Izbasha with that superb execution). The thing for Khorkina (and she said this several times) was that she knew she didn’t have the power to produce big tumbling so she had to look for other ways to get a good score. Same on beam- she struggled with the big tumbling tricks and so just incorporated what did work into various combinations. Vault was always the place i worried with her because it always seemed so hard for her to get a good one in. She showed a taller gymnast could get it done.
I feel the dance matched up with the music. I feel her tumbling was on point, but I feel that she showed expression. Especially when you compare her dance to that for the USA team. Mohini had the best floor on team USA and the scores were so low...same with Zamo on her team. The code was crazy. When I think poor dance movements I think Carly Patterson on floor.
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Perfectly stated. The over-emphasis on "dance" elements for bonus points resulted in some terrible routines that scored well and some exciting routines that scored poorly.
The 2001-2004 COP was actually quite simple once you got to know it andZamo's routine SV was as follows: -CR met = 8.8 -Double straight = E (0.2) -Tuck full-in = E (0.2) -Double twisting tuck jump = D (0.1) -Double twisting cat leap = D (0.1) -Whip into 3/1 twist = E (0.2) + 0.1 CV -Double pike = D (0.1) Total: 8.8+0.2+0.2+0.1+0.1+0.2+0.1+0.1= 9.8 SV If she intended to have a 10 SV then she must have missed some elements (though her QF routine was identical). Her body form in the double straight also was not good (despite what the commentator says), she was almost tucked. If she'd tidied up the double straight and gotten an extra 0.2 for a 10 SV then she'd been contending for FX medals. But apparently she was injured in 2004 so that might explain why her routine was quite weak and had a low SV. Connecting the double twisting cat leap into a single twisting cat leap (which lots of gymnasts did) would have gotten 0.1 extra; changing her 1.5 spin into a triple spin (D) would have gotten another 0.1
I just realized...she probably could've done a full twist in her DLO and gotten less deductions on it. The soft knees and hollow body are way less noticeable when you twist. ::waves at Moors, Skinner, Carey...::
Khorkina I don’t think would have helped in Beijing, except perhaps on bars. Her body was telling her it’d had enough, and I definitely don’t blame her for bidding the sport adieu. Elena I don’t think would have helped either as she wasn’t all that strong on beam- which was an area they needed, hence Grebinkova being selected. The biggest thing that Russia ran into in 2008 was a huge weakness on bars- odd for a country that had always been powerful there. By 2012 they were back to full strength on that event- and it showed.
Cuando la gimnasia artística era artística y las coreografías fluian y armonizaban con las músicas. Ahora las rutinas de las gimnastas son poco creativas, muy robóticas , un horror.
Her legs are ben't all the way through. She would probably get at least a .3 deduction for the shape or just get credit for a double tuck in todays rules in execution.
I thought her score was fair. She had a 9.8 start value, and her triple full wasn't completely around. The judges could have easily not credited her triple full and her score would be way lower. 9.387 was fair for that routine.
her double layout is ok, but she has definitely lost her form she had in Sydney. I don't knwo why she still keeps training, even though she cuold never get back to what she was.
Sorry I don't think so...Elena tumbling is on point, but she lacks expression in her choreography. Her dance movements were poor. It just came off sloppy and lazy. You can tell that she's the type of gymnast who focuses more on her skills than artistry.
![[HDp50] Ekaterina Lobaznyuk (RUS) Floor Team Finals 2000 Sydney Olympic Games](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KAHbQ1u662o/mqdefault.jpg)
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Never in my life have I heard a commentator use the word bamboozled.
Zamo really had lost a lot of her bam! on floor, but still very powerful and spectacular.
Beautiful execution of the unusual choreography. Deserves high, high score
Фигура идеальная, уверенное выступление. Продолжила славные традиции советской гимнастики)
compared to other routines that were scoring in the 9.7 and show little variety this routine should have been scored higher for not only completing many combination elements in her already hard tumbling, she also had very difficult dance elements too. That is why they changed the scoring system..its funny how this routine would still mostly work for today's scoring system
You are exactly right. This code was a complete joke, focusing solely on dance and ignoring tumbling form. This routine was far superior in execution to the one that ended up winning floor gold but got a laughable score. If even the teeniest error was made on a dance element it was discounted and deducted, while abismal tumbling was accepted.
@@saragrant9749 we've disagreed on the 2004 already in other threads but I just wanted to point out that at the 2004 Olympics Zamo actually had downgraded tumbling compared to 2001, when she did a Silivas (super E) instead of Double Layout (E). The other tumbling runs had the same value so she lost 0.1 in start value from the tumbling.
Again, it's not correct to say that this COP focused solely on dance, you could get to 10 SV just with four super E tumbling runs. But almost nobody was doing that level of tumbling at the time, that's why they had to do the tricky dance elements, often in combination, for extra bonus points.
It is however true that sloppy tumbling form wasn't so critical in 2004 (though it also wasn't critical before that), that's why Ponor and Dos Santos could score over 9.7 and 9.6 (see Dos Santos' 04 QF routine and 2003 WC EF routines). But that's the nature of previous COPs. Even the legendary floor routines by Silivas and Shushunova in 1988 had tumbing form that would be considered sloppy today (even double back tucks were cowboyed).
@@poshbo Zamo had downgraded, without a doubt. I always wondered if injuries during the time leading up to those games were the cause or if she just couldn’t complete what she used to with as much consistency. The part of that code that was problematic was it didn’t have an equal focus on all aspects of what floor should have been about- dance AND tumbling. While it’s definitely true no one was doing that level of difficulty in tumbling it should never have been that hard to get a 10 SV. What’s unfortunate for Dos Santos was she could always manage great qualifying scores… but would always end up out of bounds in finals which is costly no matter what system you use.
@@saragrant9749 In previous quads it was easy to get to 10 so the whole point of the 2004 COP was to make it harder to get to 10 just on tumbling, forcing more gymnasts to start focusing on dance elements, which very few gymnast did.
In fact, the FIG even introduced an artistry requirement in 2001 and began deducting for lack of artistry and choreography. The "general impression" criterion which was used in the 80s and encouraged ballet like choreography had been removed by then, resulting in robotic routines from the likes of Amanar and Gogeon.
So in that sense, that 2004 COP did focus on both tumbling and dance, whereas previous COPs mostly were about tumbling. The problem was that this forced big changes from previous COPs and many power gymnasts like Zamo struggled with the dance elements. Whereas gymnasts like Ponor adjusted well to the dance requirements (her opening triple spin (D) + Popa (C) got her 0.2 in bonus within the first 5 seconds). But it also left audiences confused about the scores since falling short on a jump, leap or spin wasn't so obvious an error, so it became unpopular.
Re Dos Santos, her main problem was rough landings, she never learned to control them consistently. Nobody taught her to rebound out of tumbling using leaps and jumps, something which Khorkina already did to eliminate deductions. In fact, Knorkina was very innovative and in the 2000 quad she was already doing a double cat leap (D) + Shushunova 1/1 (C) for 0.2 CV, which worked very well in 2004.
@@poshbo that is definitely true- and was proven by Dianne in both Athens and Beijing (though she’d have never beaten Izbasha with that superb execution). The thing for Khorkina (and she said this several times) was that she knew she didn’t have the power to produce big tumbling so she had to look for other ways to get a good score. Same on beam- she struggled with the big tumbling tricks and so just incorporated what did work into various combinations. Vault was always the place i worried with her because it always seemed so hard for her to get a good one in. She showed a taller gymnast could get it done.
I feel the dance matched up with the music. I feel her tumbling was on point, but I feel that she showed expression. Especially when you compare her dance to that for the USA team. Mohini had the best floor on team USA and the scores were so low...same with Zamo on her team. The code was crazy. When I think poor dance movements I think Carly Patterson on floor.
Elenas father would be so proud
Gorgeous! And the music and choreography suits her very well. She has a "staccato" style.
Wonderful performance from Elena!
But your dad...just calls me....ELENAAAAA
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I keep seeing this. what is this about?
@@Kaboomboo Drag Race
@@kiodewyHelen.
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Great routine! Awesome gymnast!
El doble en plancha realizado de esa manera es mucho mas dificil que usando la hiperextension del cuerpo. Bravo!!
Es cierto, pero de todos modos sus rodillas van muy dobladas en el aire. Aun así, Elena es una gimnasta muy agresiva, me encanta.
I never understood the thought process behind the 2001-2004 code of points nor did I understand how the judges applied it.
Perfectly stated. The over-emphasis on "dance" elements for bonus points resulted in some terrible routines that scored well and some exciting routines that scored poorly.
The 2001-2004 COP was actually quite simple once you got to know it andZamo's routine SV was as follows:
-CR met = 8.8
-Double straight = E (0.2)
-Tuck full-in = E (0.2)
-Double twisting tuck jump = D (0.1)
-Double twisting cat leap = D (0.1)
-Whip into 3/1 twist = E (0.2) + 0.1 CV
-Double pike = D (0.1)
Total: 8.8+0.2+0.2+0.1+0.1+0.2+0.1+0.1= 9.8 SV
If she intended to have a 10 SV then she must have missed some elements (though her QF routine was identical). Her body form in the double straight also was not good (despite what the commentator says), she was almost tucked.
If she'd tidied up the double straight and gotten an extra 0.2 for a 10 SV then she'd been contending for FX medals. But apparently she was injured in 2004 so that might explain why her routine was quite weak and had a low SV. Connecting the double twisting cat leap into a single twisting cat leap (which lots of gymnasts did) would have gotten 0.1 extra; changing her 1.5 spin into a triple spin (D) would have gotten another 0.1
I don’t think the judges understood it either…
Perfect 👍
Wooow que rutina tan mas original pero merecía mas puntuación super-Zamo
I wished she could have done this on the qualifications...the finals needed this.
Artistica e cultural 😻
Katya?
In her early years 🤣
Helen.
very good routine ... she`s one of a kind !!
La rutina fue hermosa bien ejecutada y artística no entiendo por qué le dieron 9.300 cuando considero que merecía mucho más
O tânără frumoasă și talentată
Very impressive.
very powerfull gymnast!!!
waayyy underscored
what was it?
@@jorgesalazar2340 9.383
Merecía estar en la final
I just realized...she probably could've done a full twist in her DLO and gotten less deductions on it. The soft knees and hollow body are way less noticeable when you twist. ::waves at Moors, Skinner, Carey...::
muy buena rutina
exelente
pero es muy poco ese 9.387
merecia mas
un 9.587
Pues si pero ya sabes que Rusia siempre es boicoteada
Talvez con ella y Khorkina en beijing en lugar de Ezghova y Klyukina hubieran ganado el bronce por equipos! Verdad que tengo razón!
Korkina se despidió de Atenas con 25 años ya para Beijing ya no le alcanzaba ,acá las calificaron demasiado bajo merecían plata
Khorkina I don’t think would have helped in Beijing, except perhaps on bars. Her body was telling her it’d had enough, and I definitely don’t blame her for bidding the sport adieu. Elena I don’t think would have helped either as she wasn’t all that strong on beam- which was an area they needed, hence Grebinkova being selected. The biggest thing that Russia ran into in 2008 was a huge weakness on bars- odd for a country that had always been powerful there. By 2012 they were back to full strength on that event- and it showed.
that's how it should be a double straight non of these whip your head back double layouts
LMFAO. Yes but it also adds a little but of beauty to it in my opinion.
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Very odd routine, but great tumbling. The landings were nearly perfect too.
Is it me or whip to triple was Russian team's 2004 favourite tumbling pass?
What's the name of the music????
Cuando la gimnasia artística era artística y las coreografías fluian y armonizaban con las músicas. Ahora las rutinas de las gimnastas son poco creativas, muy robóticas , un horror.
@mistybabe5489 I agree, like Raducan!!!!!
she coud've sold this routine WAAYY more but it seemed like she didnt feel like it.
Her legs are ben't all the way through. She would probably get at least a .3 deduction for the shape or just get credit for a double tuck in todays rules in execution.
I thought her score was fair. She had a 9.8 start value, and her triple full wasn't completely around. The judges could have easily not credited her triple full and her score would be way lower. 9.387 was fair for that routine.
her double layout is ok, but she has definitely lost her form she had in Sydney. I don't knwo why she still keeps training, even though she cuold never get back to what she was.
Sorry I don't think so...Elena tumbling is on point, but she lacks expression in her choreography. Her dance movements were poor. It just came off sloppy and lazy. You can tell that she's the type of gymnast who focuses more on her skills than artistry.
Her 2000 Sydney routine was way better
Zamo's double layout is horrid. She definitely lost the form she had in Sydney.
What? Her form was just good. :3 This IS a Double Straight
Horrible Double layout!!!!!!!!!!! Worst then Jade's (♥)