Fujitsu M2294 14" Winchester HDD Disk Spin Up
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2016
- In this video i power up the hard disk for the Paintbox, i wanted to listen to it myself as it apparently had a bad bearing.
The drive is a Fujitsu M2294NU, 14" 'Winchester' style fixed disk unit.
I just watched one single old hdd video, now all my yt feed is hdd's
same
same and its fantastic
@@brokolie9300 it is ahahhaha
Didn't realize there were other's like me
@@jjpark98 I hear you man
**Drive spins up**
**Everyone in the room backs away**
Lol I step closer in amazement 😉
I'd be afraid of the disks shattering like a jet turbine blade and impaling everyone.
@@DJdoppIer A head crash in one of these is most impressive... I saw one once, at a bank. The fire alarm went off and you could hear the screeching all through the building...
Like the elevator backpack startup scene in original Ghostbusters.
how big is your hard drive? , Oh its 3/4 horsepower...
XD
Also about the size of a small jet engine
Now HDD : lower 10W
Old HDD : higher 550W
I thought, how big is your hard drive?
Him: Yes
Oh 3/4? Cool, cool. How much space? Its a 14" HDD with 1.5MB storage.-lol! Awesome how far its come along
From the brochure: "Very large storage capacity" (335.5 megabytes) "Compact, economical"
it was all relative :)
335 is not terrible
@@MilesPrower1992 Well, the words i quoted really puts things into perspective, its all relative and it was probably good at the time but if you compare to drives we have today you realise how far we have come. I have worked on measurement instrumets for many years and ones from 1993-1994 or so had laptop drives with 40-80 MB in them running DOS and these drives although 2.5 inch were 2-3 times thicker than such a drive is today.
I wonder what they’d do if they saw a 1 tb laptop hard drive back then
@@Akotski-ys9rr "What kind of weird interface is this? It won't connect to anything"
The balancing that had to have been done to get that beast to run that smoothly at that RPM must have been insane. That is a LOT of mass to spin that fast and not have it vibrate itself to pieces.
I think they just built hundreds and picked the best one... jk
@@8BitNaptime no they definitely did that for the prototype
You need to see an MRI scanner with the covers removed. You'll never go in one again!
335.5 MB :)
I was expecting 556KB
100mb for horsepower used... a bargain
I was expecting KB.
There are modded win xp versions that can run on that..
Daym
If that sounds fine I don't want to hear it go bad.
In Russian, HDDs are often called Winchesters, to this day. Now i see why.
They were called Winchesters in America too. They were originally designed in the IBM facility off of Winchester boulevard in San Jose, California. They were first use in the IBM 3340 disk drive.
3:38 "Fujitsu Mike2294 taxi to runway 29 Left via taxiway Charlie, cleared for takeoff..."
ok take off now
"Roger that, Fujitsu Mike2294 to full throttle."
*_*everything in the vicinity begins shaking*_*
Dang! The control box itself is bigger than most modern hard drives!
It is still small. Usual control units for these was rack-mounted.
that small hdd.i used to have hide where size of computer disk.ibm brand ones..stored 1,6gb data and costed 25k each
I remember disks like these in my second workplace's old mainframe. Control units was rack mounted :) These disks sound like street trams.
Lol
Can you imagine the damage from a head crash at those speeds???!!!!! I'd not want to be in the same room as this piece of kit!!!!
Am enough of a greybeard that I don't have to imagine it. :)
shit*
Well.... Imagine a 15k rpm SCSI then.
Now the hdd's run at 7200rpm. It's a crazy speed.
@@brostenen Quite the damage, but they're quite well contained ain't they? I don't think I trust my throat nearby that (admittedly beautiful) transparent cover against a shattering platter, tho dunno if that could happen on the material they used on them
They have a drum HDD version that vibrated itself apart. The second version they offset it one spinning half in one direction and the other reversed. This is amazing to see in action. Thanks for sharing.
If I recall, these old hard drives came with a Power Take Off you could use to run factory equipment. The “-CT” models included 72 carbide teeth on the disk and the hard drive could be used to rip down lumber 1/64” veneers.
3:15 is when he starts the HDD, your welcome
Idk why, it sound like a tractor
This guy just talks on and on forever. I don't see why its that hard to get to the point and then explain it after
@@severeanaltrauma ikr
I always thought these old hard disks were about the size of something a bit bigger than your hand but I didn’t think they’d be THIS big
There were bigger ones...... And they had less space on average. I remember the 10" HDD that was in one of my old systems. It was only 15MB. Most of the same computers only had 10" floppy drives standard. I think it came from an old radio station originally.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE LAPTOP THAT DRIVE GOES INTO
i mean a portable computer wasn't really a thing back then afaik
@@raddysurrname7944 IT WAS A JOKE
@@belowme4927 WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING?
@@COMPOSITE.02 I'M NOT. I SAT QUIETLY AND TYPED
@@belowme4927 HAHA BUT SERIOUSLY WHY ALL CAPS. YOUR COMMENT SOUNDS LOUDER THAN THAT DRIVE
Cool.
It still runs. :)
Doesn't sound too bad, and the few noises when spinning up are just a bit of belt slap.
Some noises when it's almost stopped just sound like the motor brushes tbh.
the rattly kind of sound? I'm pretty sure it's the plastic eject tabs on the controller PCBs vibrating. The dragging sound at the end is the brake on the top of the spindle motor, TBH i don't think the brake is working that well, it could be worn or needs adjusting.
Ahh - yeah, could be the board hooks.
They do tend to be a bit wobbly in the holders (like on the Harriet, but worse if the boards are vertical.)
Didn't realise it had a brake. That's pretty neat.
@@electronash u mind filming the brake please?
proper nostalgia trip for me, this. we had four of these at limehouse- one on a classic & the other three shared between two studio-based DLS stills libraries. I remember un-racking one of the three at the trocadero to send up to wembley where they'd outgrown the DLS up there. I think someone took it up on the back seat of a black cab. thirty seconds for the ready light is a good sign.
This drive is a MONSTER! Imagine you would have to listen to this sound whole day long!
Bram vandenbroeck No not really, it's designed so the quantel paintbox and disk drives could be installed 300 meters from the operator, usually in a air conditioned computer room.
@@DextersTechLab and even than you heard the Access of the Drive i guess xD
I once had a 14 inch hard disk like this who was squeeling loudly from the main bearing. I drilled a hole into the bearing, and squished in oil through the hole. Unfortunately I used to much oil, and it flowed unto the platters. I ruined it completely, I though. But I still powered it up. The squeeling bearing was now lubricated and quiet, but oil now squished out through centrifugal force onto the plastic covering. I run it for a day or so, and then tried it. It worked, and worked for years after that.
lol. amazing.
😳
3:15 Hold on, ladies and gentlemen, we are going into Hyperspace!
Hyperspeed is too slow. Prepare for Ludicrous speed!
when listening to its spin-up, something's like Boeing 747 takeoff
Spin up at 3:14
End of video at 6:36
Thank you
Start of video at 0:00 😅
@@SOU6900 . middle of video 3:18
@@aarongreenfield9038 lol
When I left college I was given one of these! It's still in storage and sounded good when powered
Ah, the memories! Digital Equipment back in the 80s and our old DECsystem-20 with core memory...
I have a 2tb hdd sitting on my desk in front of me from 2016 and it amazes me how far we’ve came.
Large Fujitsu SMD disk drives have a manual spindle lock you need to unlock. On the Eagle drives it was a swinging arm that is held in place with a set screw. As I recall it was down low between the drive and the electronics. It is a flat 1/4, 6mm wide stamped sheet metal. You look down at the set screw which I recall was colored. The set screw does not actually grip anything. It just keeps the arm from swinging back and forth over a separator.
THAT... is fantastic. Loved hearing it spinning!
Holy cow, that drive is huge!!
But it doesn't have the, "brrrrrrt tick tick tock"-sound. :(
@@bichela LoL dumb drives Xd!
@@larswadefalk6423 I had one about 20 years ago built into a workstation. You can hear the heads click over the noise of the disk spinning.
The advancement of technology is truly fucking incredible
I would enjoy having something like this
Bearings are worn, but not too badly on the spindle. Motor bearings could do with a drop of oil ( take fan off and run a drop of 0W 15 engine oil through the top metal dust cover, turn over after a day and do the same for the bottom) and of course there is no head load, you did not send a SCSI load command, so the controller will just leave the motor running until it gets one. Send the command and the unit will load the heads and then you can do block requests.
Time to break out an Adaptec card ( still got a PCI one here and half the cabling plus terminator) and use the on card utilities to check the drive status.
thanks Sean, most of the noise is coming from bits vibrating or the spindle motor which is a little noisy, i might remove the drive belt and just see how much is the motor.
Unfortunately this drive uses an SMD interface not SCSI, things would be simpler if it was, my spare PC is all ready to rock with old school scsi 2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_Module_Device
The plastic rattling noise at the end is normal - they always did that. I remember now how tedious it was to wait for the thing to spin down before ejecting!
"ejecting"... What that hell? From where? The plane? OMG where this behemoths swappable?
@@lc7ineo yep! Drive was the size of a microwave oven. These were used for TV graphics in the 80s. I still have one with early MTV graphics on it :)
Seeing these old HDDs on action is kind of fascinating :)
So the 50's mini pc was only the size of the smallest room in the house. Not the size of the house...
I was at Cerritos College about 16 years ago, there was a hard drive similar to this. It was giant, had the clear covering and was on display. I thought woaaah dayum, what a monster.
nice smooth spin up
The madness of the mind that invented spinning magnetic disks!
LoL
For everyone commenting about " how fast it's spinning", keep in mind that before SSDs took over, workstation or server hard drives would spin at 15,000 RPM.
up to 15k, most desktop drives were between 5400 and 7200, sas drives would go to 15k
@@jameskirkland7914 I used 15k SCSI drives, in RAID 5 array, for my workstation. Transfer rate was crazy fast with three 15k spindles striped.
The Fujitsu M2294U spins at 2964 rpm, which is painfully slow compared to some SCSI drives that spin at 15,000 rpm.😉 Of course the transfer rate on these was only around 1.01 MBPS. tops...
While that's true, I wonder what the actual linear speed at the outside of the platter is. Even at a lower RPM the huge diameter could result in more speed at the edge than a little 2.5 or 3.5" drive. Anybody know?
@@snorman1911 Would be 130297.44 Surface feet per minute
Sounds like an aeroplane taking off
Don't most pc if not built right sounds like. A aeroplane ?
@@gunmanjack3975 i think its only when the hard disk is about to fail
Those were so cool clear I remember throwing them in the bin a few years ago.
It sounds fine to me: famous last words. I can clearly hear a typical bearing humming noise.
I thought that too. Theres definitely screeching high-pitch rattle of a bearing, but maybe that's just normal for something this big?
3:40 The heads moved but only just slightly
THIS is real definition of jet sound hdds
What a magnificent beast!
*JEZUS* that HDD is a monster! I love it
LoL
@8A Benaiah Dandel 335.5mb*
Why we can't do things like this anymore?)) imagine HDD this size having 16PB on board)
We can, but the performance on a disk this large would be far worse due to seek times, and the added capacity wouldn't be all that much compared to filling the same space with more current sized HDD's, which as a result of there being more, would also be capable of far higher I/O.
@@Krutonium I know, so lets have an ssd this size)
@@Krutonium Yes, the seek times would be in order of 20-30 seconds but it can be improved drastically if every head moved individually (totally possible in 2021) and it stored the data scattered across multiple platters in sequence. A bit like RAID but instead of using multiple hdd it uses multiple platters on the same disk. It wouldn't work for Windows even this way but for mass storage (mainframes, NASs) it would be adequate.
This kind of hard drive would be a nightmare for a data center. Imagine 50 of those spinning up at the same time.
@@alexandrumarzenco6998 You know I've thought about those in the past, an in fact I think it was WD who actually built a HDD with two sets of heads for performance reasons (Or more accurately, two indepently controllable sets of heads). I don't *think* it's ever come to market, however.
Bad bearings just implies lots of noise. The outer bearing for the spindle is easy enough to replace. There is a belt drive between them which can slip and cause noise as well.
That said, the bearings sound absolutely beautiful in this drive anyways.
jeeez that thing sounds like a small jet engine!
This is precisly why we had to wait a while for the iPod classic to arrive.
Woooow. Thi wonderfull brutal size HDD. Very beautifull uprunning motor sounds😍😍😊😊😊😊Please more video HDD in the heads work.😊😊
Remember those: SMD interface connectef to System Industries controller on PDP 11. Emulating two RM02/3. Tranferrate just within Unibus speed limits.
I recently found a set of platters on a carrier outside of a hard drive, at first i thought it was a slide projector carousel, but it was way too heavy, after opening it up i found 5 massive HDD platters, looked to be the same size as the drive in your video
Yup, no high pitched squeal, never had one but just sound a lot rougher than when I got it. Nope, the heads have never moved after the first time I booted it.
Thanks Stephen!
"Upgrade to a larger hard drive".
The motor in that hdd is big enought to spin my life
On those good old days we still had a chance against online surveillance and corporate data mining
Подобные устройства необходимо сохранять . Я ощутил атмосферу тех лет , фантазии о полетах на другие планеты , грядущие достижения человечества ...
This thing's massive, I wonder how much storage capacity a modern hard drive of this size would have
Good question, probably in the order of petabytes!
Sounds and looks like steel cutting devise, flex or however it's called
I've got a Fujitsu "Eagle" M2351 sitting under my desk...!
I sometimes set it up and run it to Ready and back down again at parties. Certainly raises a few eyebrows! Not sure if that is a good sign or not! :D
Did you manage to find a way to interface it and access it? Mine uses the 'SMD' interface, from what I have read about it. I suspect there wouldn't be much chance of getting an SMD Multibus card and setting that whole thing up... so the only route would be some kind of 'modern' intelligent interface.
In early 90s I purchased a used HD that looked Exactly the same as yours. Same external motor same color same 14 inch. Wow imagine the data you could get on current density disk of this size. Peta bytes would be easy. There was a cool store in Silicon Valley called weird stuff warehouse. (There is a video about it on youtube) . It was first in Santa Clara near National Semiconductor. Then it moved to near Moffitt field. I found a hard drive made by Priam.
What is this? A hard drive for giants?
Adrienne Shepard + Actually probably holds way less then a one gigabyte SD card.
this was your hard drive back in the 70s
No a hard drive for very rich people, or more likely companies. Back in the early 90s when I was responsible for four CDC 9766 drives we paid over £1000 a year for a maintenance contract on them.
1984 HDD
Imagine an ant, spinning around at the center? ;-)
I have a similar one i took from a huge scrapped IBM computer, the motor is even larger in mine and it's scary when it's running, i guess one could remove the plastic cover, install a blade in place of the disks and use it to chop firewood.
Always wondered what's on it and if there's a way to recover its contents
You should try to get that working as in reading and writing data. I would love to hear an MP3 file being played back from one of these. Will these connect to a modern PC with some type of adapter?
The largest physical hard disk that I've ever seen in person was one from the 70's/80s. Not sure of the manufacturer but this thing was a brick. I wish I still had it as I'd see if it still works and throw some MP3s at it and see if the read speed is high enough to play an MP3.
Wow
It is the first time I see one working, well almost working I have several old machines and the RLL or MFM are noisy but this one beats it haha what a nice restoration, you did not continue to repair it ?
This is very much a derivative of the IBM "Gulliver" drives used in the System/3x minicomputers. The HDA itself is nearly identical (with the exception of much higher capacity, of course). I wonder if IBM shared some of its HDD technology with Fujitsu back in the day?
Woah! That thing is huge!
*YOU'RE TELLING ME IT HOLDS A WHOLE 300 MEGABYTES?!?!?*
was cd project red using that to create cyberpunk?
it would explain a lot if they did
Holy shit. that thing is so huge and with that plastic shield... If the disk disintegrates due to RPM... Somebody's gonna get a major Shrapnell in the face problem. XD
LoL
Imagine powering this thing up. Alone. In a dark room. All by yourself. Just imagine
Is there any part number on the power supply? I have some of these Drives, but the power supplies are missing....
Everything to restore young Queens spicy photos
can it be connected to any pc ide cable?
Vaya que tamaño jamas imagine que existieron de esos Discos eso si que eran Duros y pesados
Those things were made to last!
Thank goodness nothing is as loud as that these days.
Blackmagic Design: "Hold my beer."
I have never seen anything like this!
That motor is as big as decent home water pump
Hahahahahah😀😀
It's bigger than a washing machine motor
damn that goes fast
What was the largest capacity 14 inch drive they made?
My first laptop in 1985 had that same hard disk and it sounded the same.
I’m interested to know how sounds it while loading a program?
I wonder how much storage space you could get from a disk of this physical size but constructed using modern techniques. Probably thousands of TB at least.
3:16 actually turns on
That is a Huge drive 0_0
Lmao
And this is the pocket hdd
Please do a Video where its actually in use, i was hoping to find one at your channel, but then I realised this video is already 4 years old :(
Insane! Wish I could see those heads seek!
Imagine a NAS/SAN with 20 of those harddrives...
You'd want that 20 miles away lol
I want to see this hard drive accessed
hdds spins and next atom power plant shuts down ....... awesome HDD need this for GTA5
@3:15 "Want to play a game?"
That thing probably wouldn't even be able to run atari at -5FPS lol
How much electricity does this thing use?? 🤔
When you need an extra powersupply to run your hard drive
the brit'ish accent is unbeataple.
Go back to the 80s with an 8tb 2.5' hdd and you will literally blow everyones mind.
How much is shipping!?