My stepdaughter had a breast reduction because her breasts were so large they were giving her back issues. Her insurance would not cover it. She had to pay 9k to have her breasts reduced to a C cup. Her insurance does however, cover gender transition. So if she wanted her breasts completely removed, they would've covered it. We are living in 🤡 world!
The biggest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing everyone that the Regressive-Left is pro woman/pro feminist. Hopefully this whole trans era we're in will finally prove to everyone that they don't stand for women's rights OR equal rights.
She should've said she identifies as one of thousands of genders that have reduced but not eliminated female expression and then maybe insurance politics would've covered it
As an aside it is frustrating to me to hear that 18 year old girls are getting testosterone after a single phone consult. As a born natural man who needs testosterone to be healthy, I had to go through months of labs and appts and hoops to get medicine I needed (testosterone) for low T. First they even made me (again I am and always have been male and have never questioned that for even a moment) take a medicine that elderly women take first. It gave me hot flashes and sensitive nipples. After that and a half dozen lab tests I finally did get it. But how are they getting it so easily?
In 1995 I almost died during my pregnancy. Doctors couldn't promise that it wouldn't happen again. I wanted to have my tubes tied, but they wouldn't clear me for surgery due to being so young. It amazes me how they would allow such young children to be completely mutilated.
That's actually STILL the case. It's quite hard for a young childless woman to get their tubes tied. Doctors just won't do it. "Oh you'll change your mind about not having kids one day." Shit like that. But if that some woman said, "Remove my uterus and mangle my genitalia into a freakish penis-like mass." (Which would render them unable to have children of course.) They wouldn't even be questioned and the doctors would be happy to do it. Things are just getting INSANE. (Although I'm surprised they gave you so much trouble if you already had a kid and you almost died having one...)
This is something I've been thinking about alot. They'll make you go through hell if you want to get your tubes tied because you don't want kids for example, but if your trans all of this is a no brainer. I'm so confused
I'm 73. I was a tomboy. I loved playing with my dog, riding my bike, playing baseball with my grandpa and catching bugs. I was a science nerd - still am. I'd rather read and watch thrillers than rom-coms and I still do. But I'm a woman and I am so happy to have grown up back when people were sensible.
Wow thank you for your valuable insight. Truly inspirational. You would rather watch thrillers than romcoms and yet you're not trans? How did you manage it?
@@MotoStu I’m 69 years old. I can relate to everything from the first post in this thread. A tomboy from my earliest childhood memories. Never played with dolls or played “house”. Loved sports, Lionel trains and Matchbox cars. I didn’t want to follow the traditional gender stereotypes. I was lucky. My parents let me be myself. Transitioning with hormones and surgery is madness.
@@mnob1122 Wait, you're telling me liking romantic comedies doesn't make you a girl? That's news to me. Thank god I stumbled on this comment before I cut off my balls. Thank you
I would have definitely been IDed as trans. And my parents would have done whatever the "experts" said was best for me. Very scary to think what would have happened if I were Gen Z!
When I was 27 (29 years ago) I was told in no uncertain terms that I was too young to have my tubes tied. Afterall, I only had 1 kid. When I was 30, I had to "convince" the doctor that my husband would not want more kids, in order to receive a tubal ligation. I can not even wrap my mind around how flippantly these surgeries are being done.
I'm 70. I never felt comfortable with my body growing up or with the girlie-girl things. I was a tomboy. I enjoyed sports. I'm so glad I wasn't exposed to the mass media as it is today. I started having fun as a woman in my late 20s when I was buying clothes, working, and building my confidence. Maturing into one's body takes time. The rush to make such a drastic change to one's body that will carry a lifetime effect on a person seems criminal to me. I'm thankful that Katie and Chloe are speaking up about this. It seems the focus in today's world is to feel good by getting a rush or high, which is usually just a temporary fix. I wish you both a good and happy life.
After watching numerous detransitioning videos it appears to me that the medical community: 1) is fearful of being called transphobic and 2) these young people to the medical and pharmacy industry are cash cows; clients for life. So truly sad.
@@pamostman516 seriously when they’re immediately referring her to other surgeons, that is all about 💰. The docs are helping each other out. There are a lot of surgeons who want to do as many surgeries as possible to benefit their own pocketbook.
The nurse told her that being a tomboy in childhood was a "textbook gender dysphoria"? WHAT? I am a female who was growing up with my twin brother and was a 100% tomboy because we were best friends. Robot was my favourite toy, not Barbie, and Mutant Ninja Turtles was my favourite cartoon. So what? I actually thought every girl was a tomboy because I had no image of girls my age doing tea parties - many played football with boys. So what? Being tomboy means nothing, absolutely nothing. Perfectly natural. If anyone asks me as a child if I want to be a boy - I would have answered: "of course, who wouldn't?" It would have sounded cool to me because my brother was cool. I grew up to become a 100% heterosexual woman who loves girly things, too. What's being a tomboy in childhood got to do with anything? In fact, wearing shorts, T-Shirt and jeans as a girl child is very practical and comfortable, and what girl child won't want to play a football for fun once in a while. What a joke.
A nurse is not in any way shape or form qualified to diagnose gender dysphoria. Both things can be true here. There are just tomboys and feminine men that are happy as their assigned gender and there are actual transgender people.
Agreed. I was somewhat of a tomboy as well. All of the our neighborhood kids, boys AND girls, played baseball/softball, street & ice hockey, etc. It was a normal part of life. I played with dolls & I played sports. So what? (I say to the so-called experts. That nurse is just spewing nonsense & has bought into the woke crap).
I totally would have been one of these girls. My Daddy would tell me that I was supposed to have been a boy. I wasn't a femmy girl and I hated my body when I started developing. I'm just so glad I wasn't born later
I'm a mental health professional. I have worked with people who have eating disorders, schizophrenia, and severe depression just to name a few. In eating disorders, it is common for them to believe they are overweight when they weigh around 100 pounds or less. If an eating disorder went seeking a weight loss surgery because they believe they are fat, would a doctor do it? In one client with schizophrenia, he was absolutely convinced that he had a machine in his head and he traveled all over the state looking for a surgeon to remove the device from his brain because well, if you believe you have a device in your brain then obviously, you have a device in your brain, right? Needless to say, he never found a surgeon willing to do it. Severe depression, they believe they are worthless and unlovable. Should I affirm them because of their beliefs that they are worthless? Excellent work Katie and Chloe. My hearts aches for those who truly feel uncomfortable in their bodies but surgery is not the answer. Also, I worry my career is at stake for speaking out against transitioning.
You are so right, and I have used this analogy of the eating disorders before. Just because someone believes something about themselves doesn't mean it is true.
Many years ago, before transitioning was such a thing, I saw a programme about the mental health problems of people who hated one of their limbs “this arm isn’t mine! I want it removed!” Of course, no surgeon even considered it for a moment.
In Belgium, if you are severely depressed and believe you are worthless they will allow you to euthanize yourself, so yes, m sure with American health care it will one day get to that point over here too 🙃
I'm a retired psych nurse. I have lost all faith in what psychiatry has become. Please keep speaking out against this injustice being imposed on the children and young people of the world. Someone needs to protect them from themselves.
I am recovering from a myomectomy right now due to fibroids. An acquaintance of mine just had a double mastectomy due to breast cancer. These are very serious surgeries with real possible complications and life long ramifications. It’s wild that they are being done on healthy young people.
Exactly. I had uterine cancer and that is why I had to have the hysterectomy. Doctors used to refuse to do that to young women who had not had children yet.
Being attracted to women is the definition of lesbian. I’m 70, a woman and have not worn a dress unless it was necessary. I have been married for 40 plus years and have a son, wearing pants does not make you trans. I used to wear pants under my skirt in grammar school, this stuff is nuts. I don’t believe she had dysphoria, I believe she was brainwashed, there’s a difference.
Bingo - like you say, not dysphoric but brainwashed. I still can't believe this happening in 2023 and worst still this is being pushed and condoned by governments and in some cases parents.
I totally agree. My daughter is a long-boarder, isn't "girly-girly" as she says, her best friends are guys. She's even one of the first female boy scouts in an all female troop. She's an Eagle Scout who has camped when it was 23 degrees and hiked when it was over 100. Her straight black hair is below her waist. At 18, she's never cared about make-up, but she is all girl all the time. I'm saddened to see that this young woman thought she fit into the "lesbian-category" because she was into sports. The horror of the mutilations she was encouraged to do is heart-breaking. These women have lost so much that they will never be able to get back that I think we as a society should start pressing for criminal charges against physicians who do this.
The internet can essentially brainwash a confused individual into this obsessive thinking...meaning, a person who is vulnerable can essentially brainwash their own self by viewing all of the content that continually reinforces this negative thinking. Sad, really.
My main take away from this is that social media is damaging to developing minds and bodies. It seemingly has the power to convince our youth to do many dangerous things. I don’t know what can be done about it, but things need to change if we care about future generations.
I bled out the same way after my csection. It was horrific and I woke from a coma. The soft landing was that my little baby boy was there when I awoke. I can’t imagine the pain and horror this poor woman went through and hope she finds peace
I can’t imagine someone going thru a hysterectomy and mastectomy for any other reason than cancer or serious lethal disease !!! That’s such a serious and traumatic surgery !! This is insane !! Fixing something that isn’t broken
There all very vulnerable and often just gay or just don’t know . I see this ideology as basically “fixing “ gay people. Which could be seen as homophobia, lots of kids being sterilised and made medical patients for the rest of their lives it’s really Frankenstein
This borders on serious malpractice!!!! Now these changes are permanent. Jazz Jennings had to go through so much before she was allowed to have the surgeries she wanted. This situation is so tragic 😢
My overwhelming feeling after watching this video is sadness. I am so glad Katie has spoken out, what a lovely person she is, I’m just heartbroken that she didn’t get the proper advice and help when needed. So wise, I wish her a happy and contented life going forward.
I love the fact that Chloe, took her own experience and has now created a safe space for other people share their own experiences and stories, with no shaming and judgements. Well done you! What a beautiful person you are! 👊🏼🙏🏽🤍
If it is going to make you more comfortable in your body- the right body for you-I think it is okay to do these things. What I think is important if you feel like you are in the wrong body at a very young age take hormones to delay puberty so you have time to be sure you want to go through this transformation.
Yes. Self mutilation. It is insanity. There is no other word to describe this anti-human madness. It deserves an official mental health psychiatric code. There used to be one, but psychiatrists caved in to social pressure from the screeching minority and scrapped it.
@claudiakrizay You can't delay puberty. You either go through it or you don't, it's not like you can just stop the hormones & pick up where you left off. Most just don't develop & find themselves sterile.
This should not be allowed for minors. An acquaintance of mine used to have a daughter, now she has a "son" 12 years of age. Whose idea was it? I have no idea and wish I could find out.
@@farrellmcnulty909 Totally agree but I also think it should not be the norm for adults either. Its just not good enough to say, well your an adult so you can do what you want. Adults need safety nets too. Many so called adults and even more so these days ae vulnerable and some have complex needs which might not be dysphoria, they could be gay or suffering trauma or just simply not very bright and easily led, it happens even to adults. My understanding is genuine dysphoria is significantly rare so much so that we really shouldn't be seeing this amount of people needing treatment for it. Clearly something else is going on here.
My wife was a tomboy. She wasn’t always comfortable with her femininity, and as a tall girl, and later a very tall woman it was even tougher. She wore boys clothes quite often. Her mom was a single parent who worked nights, so she didn’t have a lot of help with feminine things like makeup, hair, clothing etc. She eventually ended up becoming friends with women who helped her with all that stuff. I can only imagine how many tomboys will never get that sort of a chance to blossom into the beautiful, amazing women that they could have been, after falling into the gender cult and being exploited by all the insane teachers, clinicians and social workers who’ve also been captured by it.
What I hear when I listen to her is that her peers were being sexualized at a young age and she wasn’t feeling it. I wasn’t sexual at that age, it’s okay to be a late bloomer. Also, she was a Tom boy. It’s okay to be different and to just be yourself.
Totally same. At age 14 i wasn't attracted to anyone and I didn't find the idea of dating interesting at all. I needed a bit more time to develop that part of myself, now im a happy lesbian ❤
I was too busy being a tomb boy spending time outdoors and on horseback. No time or interest in boys at that age but still, I am a happily married mom now.
I was still playing with dolls at 13. I got into horses, drill team and tennis. My parents kept my sister and distracted with activity, chores, school and I got a work permit at 15 to work part-time at a steak house. I had a hand full of friends and acquaintances we went canoeing, camping and we fished with my brothers, Then at 16 my body bloomed, breasts, curves, and I was tall. I was by 18, looking 21 and could go to discos to dance. That’s when the “men” vs high school boys were much more aggressive in pursuing girls, all those guys wanted was sex. What a turn off. Didn’t help being called Prudence Pig, Prude, frigid, etc. I matured physically fast, but still a girl. Other girls were on the pill. I was terrified of guys.
I’m a woman. I usually wear men’s clothes because they are warmer, they have more pockets, and they are easier to wash. But I am very heterosexual and certainly have never had any dysphoria. Someone should be telling young women that they can wear whatever they want to!
Levi jeans fit better than women's jeans. I don't have the hourglass waist. Small breasted. Never attracted to women. Split wood, learned construction. Kept very fit. Changed my oil, could put on a set of tire chains, change a tire. I had to learn to do everything. Worked at everything from wood shop to hair salon. Never once did I wish to be male or lesbian.
I realized this early; women can enjoy the benefits of being a tomboy and of being a woman! I got to train horses, milk cows, climb trees & play sports as well as wear dresses and be treated special as a woman! Later enjoy being pregnant and being a mother!! WOMEN CAN HAVE IT ALL! Men are pretty stuck being Men- and Transwomen are ugly women, awkward acting, and disgusting trying to be something they aren't!!
So sad to hear how harmful drugs and surgeries were given to this dear young woman. It’s good to hear the healthy and positive ways that she is now experiencing life. I hope you both continues to grow in your faith and receive loving comfort in Jesus in the beautiful days ahead. I am so encouraged and impressed and inspired by your transparency and earnestness, Chloe. God bless you!
I am very liberal. But I have been very disturbed by the trend of the medical transition of children. Thank you for sharing your story. It has helped me to clarify my beliefs.
Same. I respect the choices of trans adults. But medical transitioning of children makes me uneasy. And “nonbinary” seems a result of social contagion, esp with young people.
@@evelym_here I have not supported any laws regarding this matter. I am trying to have a thoughtful, sensitive approach to a difficult and divisive situation.
@@kristina4272 You give your vote to the politicians making them a majority, those who promote these Laws and being a majority are approved. Yeah; you are part of the problem.
I am a 66 year year old Grandma. I was an athlete, tomboy and always wore boys clothes. I never wanted to be a boy. Thank God I was never forced into thinking I needed to change my sex. These two women are truly amazing and will help so many women who are caught up in this insanity of humanity. You are so special and articulate. I don't know you but I am so proud of you and how mature you are. Keep on speaking out! Blessings to you both.
Boys too. A LOT of boys get coerced into chopping their penises off...a cancer community and a corrupt medical professional is all you need to destroy your life.
Nobody is "forced into thinking" unless they are insane or mentally retarded. This girl made self-destructive choices and her parents likely went along with it. The doctors are morally bankrupt, her parents are complicit and she turned herself into a twisted freak of nature. Whoops!
yes...and thank goodness NOBODY has ever been forced into thinking that. It is absolutely stounding that there are still such ignorant people that don't understand this is the exact reason why need gender affirming care, so that people can undergo psychiatric analysis and psychological counselling to understand the difference between having gender dysmorphia and simply being confused about not fitting in to societal norms.
If society would just permit the more masculine girls and feminine boys to have a seat at the table without being ridiculed, bullied, threatened, shunned, etc. then a lot of this could be avoided.
The worrying thing is even a short time ago this was happening. A lot of people (myself included) are talking about growing up as "tomboys" and it was largely just shrugged off and not something that had to be "fixed". They just decided to let kids be kids and find their own identity instead of putting gender labels on everything.
I think you are being silly, there are a lot of people being bullied, ridiculed, shunned and threatened in school not because of being masculine or feminine but because the people do this just because they can and are horrible people, they do this to anyone they can
@@kathylarson8876 I happen to agree with you. What these particular youth experience is specifically what I was talking about, and not to the exclusion of others.
@@akc1739 I agree with the sentiment but even your initial comment demonstrates an issue with our society. What makes a boy "feminine" or a girl "masculine?" Some boys have more sensitive, artistic, emotional personalities, but that doesn't make them feminine. Feminine describes female, which is something that no boy can be.
I am 63. When I was a girl, I was an absolute tomboy. I had no interest in dolls, played football with the boys, climbed trees, and looked for frogs in the creek. I liked the freedom that boys had and claimed it as my own. I often said I wished I was a boy. My mother tried to shame me into wearing dresses but I didn’t care and only complied when we had to go to church each Sunday. thank God I wasn’t born during these times because I probably would have wanted to “transition“. It wasn’t until I was in college that I settled in to being comfortable and thankful to be a woman. I raised a wonderful daughter of my own who happens to have always been very feminine and loved dolls, dress up , makeup and her “girly girl“ things. She still loves her make up and matching outfits and has a corporate job where everyone appreciates her style and pulled together appearance. I am still a tomboy, I just purchased my dream farm and love getting dirty in the mud, milking goats and working my land in my overalls. To each her own!
Wow! These two women are phenomenal! So brave and so beautiful despite going through hellish surgeries. I love them for speaking the truth. And I mourn for what they were robbed of. And I fear for today’s youth. God bless them both richly for telling their stories.
I wouldn't be surprised if a role in journalism and reporting fell in Chloe's lap in the near future. Seeing her professional growth has been amazing. Getting better with every interview.
It just seems to me that our society is incredibly lost. We are all chasing 'euphoria', when in reality, most of life is just plodding along. It convinces me more and more that the old Princess Bride quote "Life is pain. Anyone who tells you different is selling something" is true. This girl is showing how this really is trendy. I wonder if this huge surge would exist if there were no social media.
It is called social contagion and social media can certainly make it travel intensely and quickly. People have been influenced for centuries. Females are generally more likely to be influenced due to hormones and emotions/being more agreeable.
Wonderful description of our culture! There is definitely a push from the media which is working well, unfortunately. It's being pushed into every avenue of our lives, not just the media, and kids get the message that everyone wants to see them transition.
I think big pharma and China are likely the guys really pushing the agenda. Trans people are on hormones for life.. and its a great distraction for the ever growing threat of economic takeover China has been enacting for decades now. By China I mean the CCP.
My grandchild is working towards F2M transition and I have fears that he will regret that in the future as his story started the same as Katie's. While I have no intention of quashing his plans, I'd suggest he view and really pay attention to Katie. TY both so much for your honesty in this interview.
Katie herself explained that being affirmed by people in her life helped embolden her and keep her on the wrong track. Stepping in and being real can be the most loving thing to do when someone is heading down a dark path.
@Puddycat11385 A lot of them do.The fact is that if that doctor didn't do it they would go elsewhere or stamp and whine and threaten till they done what they wanted.
@@scratchy1704 yeah, well, if I hadn't transitioned, I would have off'd myself. So, tell me how that's a good thing? This girl just needed therapy, not a transition.
@@scratchy1704your ignorance must be bliss. Do you not hear the stories of how therapy works for people like this? Wake up and maybe go learn a thing or 2 before looking like a complete uneducated fool online
The truly outrageous issue here is that doctors ,whose oath is to do no harm ,have treated and operated on perfectly healthy young women ! Well done for bravely facing down your demons and detransitioning .
I also blame mental health "professionals" who can't/won't see other emotional/ psychological issues that many kids experience, and push them into gender confusion
Think about this: the people who routinely take the lives of perfectly healthy and fully viable preborns for no other reason than their mothers say they do not want them ALSO took that same oath to “do no harm”. And in the first half of the 20th century, so did the doctors who ruthlessly performed brutal experiments on unknowing and unwilling people from Tuskegee to Warsaw to Peking.
@@dumbbo1 Sobering reminder: The only "transition" every soul needs is; transitioning from lies/darkness into the truth/light. From religions into reality. From being unsaved/wicked sinner into being saved. From being deceived into being HEALED. From being a salve into being FREE. Therefore, souls, CRY OUT TO GOD and leave behind all masonic/satanic lies. As none is trans nor male nor female in heaven, same in hell, no soul is trans nor male nor female. FOREVER HUMAN SPIRIT. Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Sinners shall have everlasting existence filled with agony. Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Matthew 8:12 - But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Saved shall have everlasting existence filled with LIFE: John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. FREE WILL is given to all of us to choose between 2: GOD OR MAMMON? EXISTENCE FILLED WITH LIFE, WHICH WE DO NOT DESERVE OR EXISTENCE FILLED WITH AGONY, WHICH WE DO DESERVE?
An interview between two intelligent, experienced, informed people on any topic is rare. I'm not a transitionist, I was a tomboy who grew up to be a dyke in a dress. I've been mistaken for a man all my life, being tall and skinny, never had a need for a bra, I cut my hair short and a lot of people when they find out I'm a woman offer to beat me up. At 66 I need this like I need a hole in the head. Whatever it is of me, one of the greatest joys of my life is having loved a man and a woman. I can say: gender is real, whichever it is. I knew a woman who told me she didn't know what male privilege was until she didn't have it anymore, and a man who, and Katie Anderson touched on this, was frightened by the aggression he developed with testosterone. Thank you for reading. I got off the train at LGBT, I wish everyone well and my brain can't hold any more. Let's all rock on.
My sister (80) and myself (77) were talking about this nonsense that’s going on today. We were both tomboys and wished we were boys. But back then boys had so much more freedom than girls and we wanted that freedom and to have adventures too! I read boys books and adult books, I certainly wasn’t a girly girl. As we grew up we realised that we didn’t really want to be boys but we worked to get the important things for girls and women - equal pay for equal work, equal opportunities, sexual freedom (up to a point), the ability to travel the world without a man at your side (unless you wanted him there). We, and our sisters of the world, achieved that and so much more but there are still barriers to overcome. So I look at young people like this young woman and my heart bleeds for her. She will never know the joy of carrying a child to term and holding her baby in her arms. And before any of you Trans people start shouting about the fact that not all women can have babies - this young woman probably would have been able to like the majority of women. You and your sick and twisted ideology have taken that away from her! And, let’s get one thing straight, I am NOT a CIS person, an ovary bearing person or any of those other demeaning terms you wish to use about me and my sisters. WE ARE WOMEN! A mature female with NO DANGLY PARTS!
These girls would not know the words trans, cis, body mismorphia, gender fluid, etc.if not for SM. I have a 15 yr old granddaughter going through - talk about "getting her boobs cut off." Many of the kids in her school seem to be the same way. My granddaughter is very curvy. Tiny waist, hips and quite developed. Nothing she can do will make her look like a boy. But it is the psychological damage I fear the most.
I was a tomboy too, and I used to tell my parents I "should" have been born a boy. "Well, you NOT" wasn't the answer I wanted to hear, but it's the truth. But if I would've been born a few years later, society would've "diagnosed" me as a trans boy. As an adult, the vast majority of my coworkers have always been male, and my work clothes have always been Carhartts, a hard hat, and steel toe boots. But I can still enjoy being feminine, like at the family reunion where my profile pic was taken (my Facebook profile pic, in contrast, is my hard hat, lol). It's scary what's being done to kids now, and I'm so grateful for courageous women like these, who are speaking out about the dangers. It's fine to be a tomboy! It's fine to be a feminine boy! We don't need to alter our bodies to align with some stereotype.
Highly articulate women. This journey is heart breaking. I am not a big of Pharmaceutical interventions on most things. Most drugs are toxic, impacting the liver and other organs. There are so few drugs that don't harm people in some significant way. But the pharmaceutical industry is a billion dollar behemoth whose lobbyists have a tremendous amount of influence over our medical institutions, elected representatives as well as the media. This is a tragic story. And I hope these young women find much meaning in helping other young people see through this treacherous and deceptive game.
What strikes me is that the diagnosis of „textbook gender dysphoria“ was based on antiquated gender norms. Because she like superheroes and disliked wearing dressed, she automatically must be trans?!? It’s ironic that the trans movement actually clings to the false gender dichotomy and stereotypes rather than pushing towards a more inclusive and non binary understanding that gender can be expressed in many different ways, and liking certain cartoons doesn’t make you more or less female.
Exactly. Why is this discussion not had more? It’s a very interesting point. The clash between on one side non binary and socially constructed gender and on the other gender normative stereotypes and transgender. Despite being seemingly in agreement because non binary and trans are both (for want or a better term) gender bending does not means they are on the same side philosophically.
Yes. We reached a point in the 80's-00's where gender was the constant, and gender stereotypes were the variable. This trans movement has now made gender stereotypes the constant and gender the variable. When did this happen? How did this happen? Why did this happen? It is fully regressive. It un-does all that was accomplished during the feminist movement.
And why shouldn't females be entitled to like superheroes or feel more comfortable in jeans instead of dresses? The crazy thing is, this is what the traditional feminists fought for- Equality of men and women to do as they wished rather than being saddled with "gender roles".
I'm always baffled by the stories where people say they thought they were a transgender person because they didn't fit the common stereotypes. When I was a kid it was perfectly normal that there were girly boys and boyish girls. And majority of kids were in fact neutral. There was nothing striking in their outward expression that would suggest they are feminine or masculine. I wonder if it's a cultural thing but as someone growing up in Central Europe, I don't feel that gender was emphasized as much as it appears in stories of these people coming from the USA or Canada. One can't put gender on interests. One can't say that a boy who likes to play with dolls or paint his nails is a girl or a girl that is only interested in sports is a boy. That's insane. I believe that society should rather stop catering to stupid stereotypes and create healthy role models for kids who deviate from "the norm" instead of suggesting them hormonal therapy and SRS. Tell me what kind of world is this if universal health care insurance in some countries can cover the treatment for transgender people but refuses to cover birth control pills for biological women who have hormonal issues that severely reduce quality of their life? How come anyone isn't questioning why it's still so hard for many girls to get proper information on how to fight hormonal imbalances, PMS and abnormal periods? I find it absurd how I hear from everywhere how fragile and sensitive hormonal systems are and how hard it is to figure out what's wrong, yet when it comes to transition they don't seem to think twice about how will individuals respond to hormones of the opposite sex.
Exactly!! When my son was 5 he loved getting his nails painted ! I didn’t say on you are a girl!! I let him just be who he was and never put any labels on it !! Sheesh
As a kid, I went through the Sears catalogue, found a pink "pegnoir" set, basically, frilly lingerie, for an adult woman, that I wanted for Christmas. Of course, I didn't get it, but the Easy Bake Oven was a great substitute. As a teen, I decided that I wanted a man's heavy jacket, men's hiking boots, a sleeping bag, etc., and got them all. Made me very happy. It didn't mean that I wanted to be a man. I, too, was somewhat of a tom boy, and have never felt uncomfortable about my gender, thank God. I simply cannot imagine feeling what are actually normal feelings, yet being convinced, by the medical community, that I needed to mutilate my body, to try to find happiness. I feel for the youth, of today. Social media has done so much damage, the results of which, we are just beginning to see. Thank you for sharing your story. Sending love and prayers, for your peace, in life. I am 66.
Wow Katie, you gave such a powerful and hopeful interview. I’ve heard so many people claim coming out as trans is brave. But IMO, recognising a mistake and owning it is far braver. And the fact that you took responsibility to work through it deserves so many kudos!
Katie said, "I was a woman going into surgery, and I am a woman coming out of surgery." Mic drop. My heart just bouyed hearing her realization of this. I'm so happy for you both, coming through this deception and mental mind trap, out the other side clear, and having survived. God bless both of you beautiful young women.❤❤❤
This makes me so angry because actual trans people know this. Their goal is not to become the other sex. Their goal is to minimize their condition. Not all of them undergo surgery because their (actual reconized) condition is helped with other things. Katie was not well informed. And this only shows how stupid the patriarcy is. How girls are bullied if they wont wear a skirt. Girls should be accepted in all forms! Even if they like spiderman and not barbie. This is the problem here! Start raising your girls right! They are ok without dress and dolls.
@@cathymarsh1782هذا بسبب الاختلاط بين الجنسين لو فرقنا الجنسين و اصبحت لدينا مدارس للاولاد منفصله عن مدارس البنات لاصبح الجو اكثر صحيا والتركيز على العلم اصبح اكثر لان المراهقه صعبه لكلا الجنسين
I was a tomboy growing up. I never wanted to be a boy but I thought my body looked out of proportion and wasn’t comfortable with it when I started to change at puberty. Now I look at pictures and think “wow” if only I could look like that again 😊. These poor kids need to be left to work through their issues just as I did. I grew into my new body, got married, birthed 4 kids and I am so angry at what we are doing to kids today. It’s pure evil. Help them, really help them rather than butcher them.
You want to help them work through....what exactly do you think gender affirming care IS?!?!?! It's psychiatric analysis and psychological counselling used to determine if someone has legitimate gender dysmorphia or just confusion about not fitting into a perceived societal norm.
@@brianbenoit6883 Have you heard what real gender affirming care is? Have you listened to poor kids who after puberty come to terms with who they are but have been butchered or medicated and are damaged for life. Gender affirming care is just a line thrown out to make people think the best is being done for these kids. They are confused and what we are doing to them is criminal. I loved my kids so much that I always remembered they were just kids whose brains hadn’t developed yet. I said no to lots of things. I used to say that when they were an adult they could make their own decisions but for now I was going to protect them from their youthfulness. Now they are parents and grateful that I didn’t let them do some of the things their teenage brain thought was ok. I loved my kids!!!
@@brianbenoit6883 Listen to these detransitioners who were rubber stamped into taking HRT drugs and having surgeries that chopped off breasts and took out all internal female parts. The logical thing is to have them go through long evalutions and assessments but that's not what is happening in 98% of these cases.
@@brianbenoit6883not really. I agree with AfricanSoles based on what happened with my child at the clinic. These places are not designed to treat childhood trauma, offer coaching for young people with autism to function better in society, or deal with any of those comorbidities that can make a teen susceptible to social contagion or an easy out for their problems. They’re in the business of getting people transitioned. I wish I had understood that better and not listened to bad advice.
One of the jaw-dropping moments was when Katie said the political LGBT teens community called her transphobic, even though she was identifying transgender at the time, all because she had conservative views. What hypocrisy. Really weird times we live in. I've been fearing people call me transphobic, and I think both of you are super brave. I really can't compare my situation with yours though.
Thank you for speaking out. I remember telling my father at age 13 that i didn't want to be a girl or a boy. I just wanted to be a human. I was a late bloomer when it came to dating but im soon celebrating 47 years of marriage and grateful for my life and my family. I found more satisfaction in being a mom than any other part of my life. I am educated and had a career but my children are still my greatest joy.
Both Katie and Chloe have very strong testimonies. Thank you for sharing your stories and speaking up to help those who are going through what you both have been through. May God bless you both!
Those of us who grew up as Tomboys are a special breed. I'm so sorry that you went through this. Thank you for helping others rather than being afraid.
This woman would have been saved this trauma if people had just replied …well you are a girl, like it or lump it. A young girl at my daughters school was acting the same for years, she was a tomboy, wore the boys school uniform etc. She’s now living happily as a gay woman. This was thirty years ago, so before the trend luckily for her.
I couldn’t get my tubes tied after my third child. My doc refused. Later I was glad as I went to have two more babies. And this doc took all her reproductive system out just like that! That’s evil! Is pure evil! God help us! Thank you for your courage and speaking out. We have to stop this madness!
I wanted to have my tubes tied at 19. Every doctor refused on the grounds that I was too young to know I didn't want kids. I finally got my tubes tied at 29 after psychological assessment to rule out I made that decision based on traumatic experiences. I'm very happy that I finally got the surgery. The point is it took 10 years for them to be sure I wouldn't regret it but they don't hesitate to remove whole reproductive systems and breasts from 18 year olds if they think they should have been born a different sex. Mind blowing.
@@sandravd8841 Doctors to not perform those surgeries without going through a thorough evaluation. You are listening to right wing anti trans propaganda
It's a wild world when I know numerous women who begged their drs, on their 4-5th kid, all c-sections, to just tie their tubes because they were DONE DONE DONE, happily married, four-five kids, exhausted, husband agrees. And drs still won't. Yet these super young humans get gutted for ideology. Even a LOT of trans adults don't agree with youth having all this done, so this isn't even some nonsensical "you're with us or against us."
Sorry, as a physician I do not believe you: we (anesthesia) and obstetricians of course, know way too well what each consecutive caesarian delivery means. It means increasing chances of running into a life threatening post partum hemorrhage because of placenta accreta. The likelihood of having your placenta sticking too much to the uterus increases with EVERY repeated caesarian. So I am not buying that someone who had 4, 5 (😢😢😢😢) cesareans would be denied a tubal ligation.
@@waiki8223 I have a good friend who had 4 children and was going through menopause. She was having issues - bleeding heavy etc. She wanted a hysterectomy and the doctor said no. She got another opinion and was finally allowed to have it. A grown woman who was done having children had to fight tooth and nail to get a hysterectomy, but some of these doctors rush to do complete hysterectomies on a young healthy girl like this.
Hi Chloe. I am a 25 yr old female. Growing up, I was similar to your guest speaker. I was very much so a tom boy. I even thought I was lesbian at one point simply because of how I carried myself and how different I was from other girls. Thankfully, when I was a teen, transgenderism was fairly taboo. I understand now that I would’ve easily fallen into this trap if somebody allowed me to. I was a depressed kid. Many bad childhood experiences. And have Asperger’s syndrome. I am much happier now. I have an incredible relationship, great job, and thankfully… my health. We need to protect our fellow girls who may not be completely gender conforming. I love you all. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
I am blown away by her clarity of explanation of her life, what happened, how she felt, etc. So articulate, so honest and courageous. Thank you to you both.
As a girly girl, I HATED puberty. It was mortifying, and I wasn't ready. I just wanted to stay as I was before thirteen. Periods and boobs disrupted my whole life and the way people looked at me, so I would have done anything to put it on pause. Thank goodness that option was not available then.
These surgeries are the modern equivalent of blood-letting and lobotomies. Gender clinics should be shut down, and anyone performing these unnecessary surgeries should be sued for malpractice.
This is so, so, sad. Imagine being told there was NO other option except surgery. You are a very courageous lady & im totally impressed. You have so much to offer, & society needs your experience to help others. God bless you today & always.
The first time I saw you smile was when you talked about your pastor and using your birth name. It sounds like you began fighting back to the dysphoria all on your own at first. Your own personal warrior arose within you. What an inspiration you are! Great interview really.
Katie, you should definitely be a spokesperson . You have such an incredible ability to share all your knowledge , thoughts and experiences. You are valuable and an incredible person! Please use your experience to help others! I’m so proud of you for standing up for yourself.
I feel so protective of this younger generation who is being targeted at every angle. What beautiful energy this young woman has. I wish she had never been harmed. I’m so appreciative of her sharing her story in the hope that it will save others questioning their bodies. ❤
Can't make permanent decisions based on subjective feelings. Your body is not a car, you can't just put back some of the parts you take out. Thanks for speaking out and sharing your experiences.
that makes no sense. You make decisions based on subjective feelings most of the time. Finding a mate is an example. Having a kid is another of those. Deciding your education is yet another.
@@lil_weasel219 maybe that’s how you decided on finding a lifetime partner, deciding to have a child or deciding your education. Most us actually think deep and hard about those decisions prior to making them. Additionally, if i decide i am going to study history and later find i ought to have chosen English i am not now suddenly unable to study history. Similarly, if i choose the wrong lifetime mate there is always an off ramp if it doesn’t work out. Those are massive differences. You know this but i think you are either argumentative or trying to cover for really lazy thinking.
I think you are more trustworthy because you are honest. May God bless you for sharing a light on this and saving others from this medical craziness. Keep sharing!
First of all stop looking online to find your identity. Your body parts are all you need to confirm who you are. Who doesn’t feel awkward at puberty!!! Good grief people!! It’s all good you’ve come out of that confusion, but what a price to pay. I was a tomboy, I wore my brothers clothes, I hated the changes, but never in my life did I consider lopping off body parts, believing I’m not who I was born to be. What a messed up world we live in. 😢
What if you had been told your interests and discomfort with your bodily changes during puberty meant you were actually a male, and that you required medications and surgeries in order to resolve your "birth defect"?
I really think social media is a big motivator for young people to change their gender. They tell you that you are probably someone else than who you are. It’s like those stupid tests you take where if you answer yes to so many questions on the list then you’re depressed. Or you’re gender dysphoric.
Chloe great interview, I hope you continue interviewing. Katie has a great head on her shoulders. I have a feeling she's going to help a lot of people in the near future. God Bless you both ! ❤❤❤
Being more feminine or masculine doesn't mean you're the wrong gender.. It just means you're more feminine or masculine.. wearing clothes "designated" for a man, that does that mean you were meant to be a man.. You just have different taste in clothes.. The world is in an insane state.
A lot of what Katie said brought me to tears. She’s so smart and has a wonderful outlook on life. Chloe is so genuine and thoughtful and has a talent for interviewing. This video was amazing 💖
I've been on T for 23 years. I was also informed consent but I had to go to 6 weeks of testosterone classes. Group and individual therapy and it blows my mind that no one is slowing these young people down.
Katie, Chloe, beautiful, intelligent qnd sensitive interview. Well done. Thanks so much. The world needs this level of candour, integrity and grace. Love to you both. L
I am almost 40. It takes years to feel confident in our bodies. Maternity helps A LOT. We see how wonderful our bodies can be and experience unconditional love. We start seeing ourselves how our children see us. To them we are beautiful no matter what. Cross culturally women experience discomfort and ackwardness in our adolescence. It gets better with time as we mature. Young girls need to hear this more often... it is normal to feel that way... and eventually you'll get over it. Womanhood is not a feeling , it is a physical reality we all experience. Wearing pants and liking sports does not make you a man. I never thought in this era we would have such regressive and stereotipycal thinking.
I can not love your comment enough! The only thing that helped my body dysmorphia was pregnancy and giving birth! It actually breaks my heart thinking about the way I used to see my body.. but after a very smooth pregnancy, a fast and easy labour and recovery and the fact that I bounced right back after pregnancy, made me love and admire my body for what it is capable of, and I feel terrible for not being proud of it during its whole development.. I honestly don't know a single woman who wasn't uncomfortable with her body at some stage during puberty - telling these girls that what they're actually experiencing is "gender dysphoria" is criminal.
@@loosilu that was me. it was hard to accept that I am an incubator, and a dairy farm. then i had this idea to free women from this burden. I started to research artificial wombs, how to invent one. And what I learned - it is very complicated and also not safe for babies and just no way it could be affordable. And then I thought: "My body is an incubator and a dairy farm. This is so amazing!" in a way female bodies do not completely belong to them, they have parts to connect to other people, they have parts to form and grow new people. we are not lonely, we are part of the society, we are important.
What angers me about this is I am 45 and I want my uterus removed but I can't because there is no reason other than my desire to not have children. But a child can decide to change their sex and poof all of it is gone. WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES IN THE MEDICAL WORLD!!!
Katie you can make great decisions. Recognizing that you have gone down the wrong path and correcting that IS a big decision. This shows how smart you are. How many people in the world don't have the courage to correct a path they have taken, even though they know it is the wrong path?
Well said. She made the best decision of all and that is trusting God and seeking out a pastor who can counsel her on what God says, not what pop psychology is espousing or dangerous internet fads. We need to trust God's Word and follow Him. Society will lead us astray. Prov. 3:5-6, 1 Cor. 13:12, Isa. 55:8-9Pro. 16:25.
Chloe, I’m sorry for everything you’ve been through. But thank you for standing up and speaking out. Thank you for bringing these very important stories to light. Everyone needs to hear them.
I grew up as socially awkward, more of a tomboy, not interested in dresses or girl stuff as much as boy stuff, 4 brothers, zero sisters, and I was always heavy as I got older and at the time, boys clothes were bigger and more comfortable. But I never felt like I didn't want to be a girl. It terrifies me to think what path I might have gone down had I been raised in this generation. I remember in the early-mid 2000's, I talked to a therapist who after I told her about my childhood and being raised with all brothers, she blurted out : So how long have you wanted to be a boy? And I remember feeling so disgusted that I was coming across that way. but retrospectively it makes me wonder how long this ideology has been being pushed.
I had a similar experience--3 brothers no sisters, raised by my dad, grew up wanting to play outside in the dirt more than with dolls. I am so glad I avoided this ideology. Thankfully my parents wouldn't have supported this madness, but it's still scary to think about.
Ugh, what that therapist said to you makes me sick too. What an absolute bitch, and what a horrid thing to say. I hope you put her in her place, and never returned for another session.
ThankYou Katie and Chloe . This is themost disarming conversation regarding trans dysphoria i have heard. Although the system ( including well paid medical People) has let You down You show true bravery to face up to the reality of what , how and why things happened. Inspiring , thankYou ! Wishing You all the best 🦘☮️
My stepdaughter had a breast reduction because her breasts were so large they were giving her back issues. Her insurance would not cover it. She had to pay 9k to have her breasts reduced to a C cup. Her insurance does however, cover gender transition. So if she wanted her breasts completely removed, they would've covered it. We are living in 🤡 world!
It’s crazy that the insurance companies would decide what they are going to pay for based on politics and not actual healthcare.
Yes, similar experience here; the world’s gone batsh*t crazy.
The biggest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing everyone that the Regressive-Left is pro woman/pro feminist. Hopefully this whole trans era we're in will finally prove to everyone that they don't stand for women's rights OR equal rights.
She should've said she identifies as one of thousands of genders that have reduced but not eliminated female expression and then maybe insurance politics would've covered it
As an aside it is frustrating to me to hear that 18 year old girls are getting testosterone after a single phone consult. As a born natural man who needs testosterone to be healthy, I had to go through months of labs and appts and hoops to get medicine I needed (testosterone) for low T. First they even made me (again I am and always have been male and have never questioned that for even a moment) take a medicine that elderly women take first. It gave me hot flashes and sensitive nipples. After that and a half dozen lab tests I finally did get it. But how are they getting it so easily?
In 1995 I almost died during my pregnancy. Doctors couldn't promise that it wouldn't happen again. I wanted to have my tubes tied, but they wouldn't clear me for surgery due to being so young. It amazes me how they would allow such young children to be completely mutilated.
This!
It goes with the world leaders and their agenda.
clearly the doctors dgaf about these patients
That's actually STILL the case. It's quite hard for a young childless woman to get their tubes tied. Doctors just won't do it. "Oh you'll change your mind about not having kids one day." Shit like that. But if that some woman said, "Remove my uterus and mangle my genitalia into a freakish penis-like mass." (Which would render them unable to have children of course.) They wouldn't even be questioned and the doctors would be happy to do it. Things are just getting INSANE.
(Although I'm surprised they gave you so much trouble if you already had a kid and you almost died having one...)
This is something I've been thinking about alot. They'll make you go through hell if you want to get your tubes tied because you don't want kids for example, but if your trans all of this is a no brainer. I'm so confused
I'm 73. I was a tomboy. I loved playing with my dog, riding my bike, playing baseball with my grandpa and catching bugs. I was a science nerd - still am. I'd rather read and watch thrillers than rom-coms and I still do. But I'm a woman and I am so happy to have grown up back when people were sensible.
Liking science is deeply feminine, me thinks
Wow thank you for your valuable insight. Truly inspirational. You would rather watch thrillers than romcoms and yet you're not trans? How did you manage it?
@@MotoStu I’m 69 years old. I can relate to everything from the first post in this thread. A tomboy from my earliest childhood memories. Never played with dolls or played “house”. Loved sports, Lionel trains and Matchbox cars. I didn’t want to follow the traditional gender stereotypes. I was lucky. My parents let me be myself. Transitioning with hormones and surgery is madness.
@@mnob1122 Wait, you're telling me liking romantic comedies doesn't make you a girl? That's news to me. Thank god I stumbled on this comment before I cut off my balls. Thank you
I would have definitely been IDed as trans.
And my parents would have done whatever the "experts" said was best for me. Very scary to think what would have happened if I were Gen Z!
When I was 27 (29 years ago) I was told in no uncertain terms that I was too young to have my tubes tied. Afterall, I only had 1 kid. When I was 30, I had to "convince" the doctor that my husband would not want more kids, in order to receive a tubal ligation. I can not even wrap my mind around how flippantly these surgeries are being done.
I'm 70. I never felt comfortable with my body growing up or with the girlie-girl things. I was a tomboy. I enjoyed sports. I'm so glad I wasn't exposed to the mass media as it is today. I started having fun as a woman in my late 20s when I was buying clothes, working, and building my confidence. Maturing into one's body takes time. The rush to make such a drastic change to one's body that will carry a lifetime effect on a person seems criminal to me. I'm thankful that Katie and Chloe are speaking up about this. It seems the focus in today's world is to feel good by getting a rush or high, which is usually just a temporary fix. I wish you both a good and happy life.
After watching numerous detransitioning videos it appears to me that the medical community: 1) is fearful of being called transphobic and 2) these young people to the medical and pharmacy industry are cash cows; clients for life. So truly sad.
@@pamostman516 seriously when they’re immediately referring her to other surgeons, that is all about 💰. The docs are helping each other out. There are a lot of surgeons who want to do as many surgeries as possible to benefit their own pocketbook.
@@embeth446 That is so sad imo.
"Maturing into one's body takes time." So wonderfully put, thank you!
I agree completely, as I was the same.
The world would become a better place, if we all learned to love ourselves fully and completely ❤️🙏🇺🇲🌎🌍🌏
The nurse told her that being a tomboy in childhood was a "textbook gender dysphoria"? WHAT? I am a female who was growing up with my twin brother and was a 100% tomboy because we were best friends. Robot was my favourite toy, not Barbie, and Mutant Ninja Turtles was my favourite cartoon. So what? I actually thought every girl was a tomboy because I had no image of girls my age doing tea parties - many played football with boys. So what? Being tomboy means nothing, absolutely nothing. Perfectly natural. If anyone asks me as a child if I want to be a boy - I would have answered: "of course, who wouldn't?" It would have sounded cool to me because my brother was cool. I grew up to become a 100% heterosexual woman who loves girly things, too. What's being a tomboy in childhood got to do with anything? In fact, wearing shorts, T-Shirt and jeans as a girl child is very practical and comfortable, and what girl child won't want to play a football for fun once in a while. What a joke.
Exactly
That nurse was ignorant and did not know what she was talking about.
A nurse is not in any way shape or form qualified to diagnose gender dysphoria.
Both things can be true here. There are just tomboys and feminine men that are happy as their assigned gender and there are actual transgender people.
Agreed. I was somewhat of a tomboy as well. All of the our neighborhood kids, boys AND girls, played baseball/softball, street & ice hockey, etc. It was a normal part of life. I played with dolls & I played sports. So what? (I say to the so-called experts. That nurse is just spewing nonsense & has bought into the woke crap).
I totally would have been one of these girls. My Daddy would tell me that I was supposed to have been a boy. I wasn't a femmy girl and I hated my body when I started developing. I'm just so glad I wasn't born later
I'm a mental health professional. I have worked with people who have eating disorders, schizophrenia, and severe depression just to name a few. In eating disorders, it is common for them to believe they are overweight when they weigh around 100 pounds or less. If an eating disorder went seeking a weight loss surgery because they believe they are fat, would a doctor do it? In one client with schizophrenia, he was absolutely convinced that he had a machine in his head and he traveled all over the state looking for a surgeon to remove the device from his brain because well, if you believe you have a device in your brain then obviously, you have a device in your brain, right? Needless to say, he never found a surgeon willing to do it. Severe depression, they believe they are worthless and unlovable. Should I affirm them because of their beliefs that they are worthless?
Excellent work Katie and Chloe. My hearts aches for those who truly feel uncomfortable in their bodies but surgery is not the answer. Also, I worry my career is at stake for speaking out against transitioning.
It is. You could be blackballed.
You are so right, and I have used this analogy of the eating disorders before. Just because someone believes something about themselves doesn't mean it is true.
Many years ago, before transitioning was such a thing, I saw a programme about the mental health problems of people who hated one of their limbs “this arm isn’t mine! I want it removed!” Of course, no surgeon even considered it for a moment.
In Belgium, if you are severely depressed and believe you are worthless they will allow you to euthanize yourself, so yes, m sure with American health care it will one day get to that point over here too 🙃
I'm a retired psych nurse. I have lost all faith in what psychiatry has become. Please keep speaking out against this injustice being imposed on the children and young people of the world. Someone needs to protect them from themselves.
The thing that strikes me about these two young women is how thoughtful, how articulate, and what lovely people they are!
Yes!
I totally agree!!
They are both on the spectrum for sure! I have high functioning Autism and I can identify easily.
YES, WELL JOSEF MENGELES CAN'T CUT OFF THE SOUL AS WELL...
BUT SOME LUNATICS WILL TRY
I am recovering from a myomectomy right now due to fibroids. An acquaintance of mine just had a double mastectomy due to breast cancer. These are very serious surgeries with real possible complications and life long ramifications. It’s wild that they are being done on healthy young people.
Exactly. I had uterine cancer and that is why I had to have the hysterectomy. Doctors used to refuse to do that to young women who had not had children yet.
It is barbaric!
Yeah I know don’t they not do hysterectomies on women if they’re too young? Oh but if they identify as male they will do it?
@@moorek1967 Yes same with me uterine ovarian cancer and I was in my mid 20's
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Being attracted to women is the definition of lesbian. I’m 70, a woman and have not worn a dress unless it was necessary. I have been married for 40 plus years and have a son, wearing pants does not make you trans. I used to wear pants under my skirt in grammar school, this stuff is nuts. I don’t believe she had dysphoria, I believe she was brainwashed, there’s a difference.
Bingo - like you say, not dysphoric but brainwashed. I still can't believe this happening in 2023 and worst still this is being pushed and condoned by governments and in some cases parents.
I totally agree. My daughter is a long-boarder, isn't "girly-girly" as she says, her best friends are guys. She's even one of the first female boy scouts in an all female troop. She's an Eagle Scout who has camped when it was 23 degrees and hiked when it was over 100. Her straight black hair is below her waist. At 18, she's never cared about make-up, but she is all girl all the time. I'm saddened to see that this young woman thought she fit into the "lesbian-category" because she was into sports. The horror of the mutilations she was encouraged to do is heart-breaking. These women have lost so much that they will never be able to get back that I think we as a society should start pressing for criminal charges against physicians who do this.
Exactly. Made to feel so uncomfortable with herself and how she needed to be that she concluded there must be something wrong with her.
The internet can essentially brainwash a confused individual into this obsessive thinking...meaning, a person who is vulnerable can essentially brainwash their own self by viewing all of the content that continually reinforces this negative thinking. Sad, really.
And you are a psychiatrist or a psychologist. You believe? Really?
My main take away from this is that social media is damaging to developing minds and bodies. It seemingly has the power to convince our youth to do many dangerous things. I don’t know what can be done about it, but things need to change if we care about future generations.
🎉 100% agree. Its worse than covid traversing the planet
Parental control software is one way. Kids should not be left to process confusing messages from social media all on their own.
Second take away is the vultures waiting to prey on these vulnerable people. The evil politicians and completely corrupt medical community
Not giving kids a smart phone until they're ready to drive.
It’s not just electronics, it’s now in the schools. They teach it in sex Ed.
I bled out the same way after my csection. It was horrific and I woke from a coma. The soft landing was that my little baby boy was there when I awoke. I can’t imagine the pain and horror this poor woman went through and hope she finds peace
I can’t imagine someone going thru a hysterectomy and mastectomy for any other reason than cancer or serious lethal disease !!! That’s such a serious and traumatic surgery !! This is insane !! Fixing something that isn’t broken
So true! It's tragic
SHE begged for it!! And paid out of pocket.
There all very vulnerable and often just gay or just don’t know . I see this ideology as basically “fixing “ gay people. Which could be seen as homophobia, lots of kids being sterilised and made medical patients for the rest of their lives it’s really Frankenstein
@@mimibee626 which makes it all the more tragic.
This borders on serious malpractice!!!! Now these changes are permanent. Jazz Jennings had to go through so much before she was allowed to have the surgeries she wanted. This situation is so tragic 😢
"Do no harm" for doctors has been flung to the wayside.
Tragically, it's usually the first thing they do.
"Make some money" is the new oath.
Are they required to take the Hippocratic oath in the United States these days?
Yep, they extinguish life in the womb and call it "women's health" - it's vile.
The doctors do this for BIG BIG MONEY!
My overwhelming feeling after watching this video is sadness. I am so glad Katie has spoken out, what a lovely person she is, I’m just heartbroken that she didn’t get the proper advice and help when needed. So wise, I wish her a happy and contented life going forward.
I hate that she chose to go this route but perhaps it is what helped her become wise. Her transition and body mutilation wasn't wise.
I love the fact that Chloe, took her own experience and has now created a safe space for other people share their own experiences and stories, with no shaming and judgements. Well done you! What a beautiful person you are! 👊🏼🙏🏽🤍
I can't even imagine medicating and cutting into a perfectly healthy body. Outrageous.
@fergusfarm3793. It's absolutely horrifying. I cant imagine anyone doing this to themselves
I don’t get it either. They have deeper psychological issues than they realize. Horrible.
If it is going to make you more comfortable in your body- the right body for you-I think it is okay to do these things. What I think is important if you feel like you are in the wrong body at a very young age take hormones to delay puberty so you have time to be sure you want to go through this transformation.
Yes. Self mutilation. It is insanity. There is no other word to describe this anti-human madness. It deserves an official mental health psychiatric code. There used to be one, but psychiatrists caved in to social pressure from the screeching minority and scrapped it.
@claudiakrizay You can't delay puberty. You either go through it or you don't, it's not like you can just stop the hormones & pick up where you left off. Most just don't develop & find themselves sterile.
She's so well spoken.
My heart goes out to all the kids getting sucked into this insanity.
She is petty, and I hope she embraces her female persona. Appreciate her speaking out.
How sad. They are destroying the lives of so many with this stuff.
@@jane3069. My thoughts exactly.
This should not be allowed for minors. An acquaintance of mine used to have a daughter, now she has a "son" 12 years of age. Whose idea was it? I have no idea and wish I could find out.
@@farrellmcnulty909 Totally agree but I also think it should not be the norm for adults either. Its just not good enough to say, well your an adult so you can do what you want. Adults need safety nets too. Many so called adults and even more so these days ae vulnerable and some have complex needs which might not be dysphoria, they could be gay or suffering trauma or just simply not very bright and easily led, it happens even to adults. My understanding is genuine dysphoria is significantly rare so much so that we really shouldn't be seeing this amount of people needing treatment for it. Clearly something else is going on here.
Big love to you both, and to the thousands of others who have been lied to, manipulated, and groomed into this terrible suffering.
My wife was a tomboy. She wasn’t always comfortable with her femininity, and as a tall girl, and later a very tall woman it was even tougher. She wore boys clothes quite often. Her mom was a single parent who worked nights, so she didn’t have a lot of help with feminine things like makeup, hair, clothing etc. She eventually ended up becoming friends with women who helped her with all that stuff.
I can only imagine how many tomboys will never get that sort of a chance to blossom into the beautiful, amazing women that they could have been, after falling into the gender cult and being exploited by all the insane teachers, clinicians and social workers who’ve also been captured by it.
What I hear when I listen to her is that her peers were being sexualized at a young age and she wasn’t feeling it. I wasn’t sexual at that age, it’s okay to be a late bloomer. Also, she was a Tom boy. It’s okay to be different and to just be yourself.
Totally same. At age 14 i wasn't attracted to anyone and I didn't find the idea of dating interesting at all. I needed a bit more time to develop that part of myself, now im a happy lesbian ❤
@Blue Spectrum Thank goodness for that. Imagine if you had fallen into the gender ideology trap and had yourself sterilised and mutilated 😢
It made me so unconfortable when people would sexualize me when I was 11-13. I am black and so I developed early. It's gross.
I was too busy being a tomb boy spending time outdoors and on horseback. No time or interest in boys at that age but still, I am a happily married mom now.
I was still playing with dolls at 13. I got into horses, drill team and tennis. My parents kept my sister and distracted with activity, chores, school and I got a work permit at 15 to work part-time at a steak house. I had a hand full of friends and acquaintances we went canoeing, camping and we fished with my brothers, Then at 16 my body bloomed, breasts, curves, and I was tall. I was by 18, looking 21 and could go to discos to dance. That’s when the “men” vs high school boys were much more aggressive in pursuing girls, all those guys wanted was sex. What a turn off. Didn’t help being called Prudence Pig, Prude, frigid, etc. I matured physically fast, but still a girl. Other girls were on the pill. I was terrified of guys.
I’m a woman. I usually wear men’s clothes because they are warmer, they have more pockets, and they are easier to wash.
But I am very heterosexual and certainly have never had any dysphoria.
Someone should be telling young women that they can wear whatever they want to!
Totally agree about the convenience of men’s clothing especially the pockets!
Levi jeans fit better than women's jeans.
I don't have the hourglass waist.
Small breasted. Never attracted to women.
Split wood, learned construction. Kept very fit. Changed my oil, could put on a set of tire chains, change a tire. I had to learn to do everything. Worked at everything from wood shop to hair salon.
Never once did I wish to be male or lesbian.
I like mens clothes too because they are much more comfortable
I realized this early; women can enjoy the benefits of being a tomboy and of being a woman! I got to train horses, milk cows, climb trees & play sports as well as wear dresses and be treated special as a woman! Later enjoy being pregnant and being a mother!! WOMEN CAN HAVE IT ALL!
Men are pretty stuck being Men- and Transwomen are ugly women, awkward acting, and disgusting trying to be something they aren't!!
😂 same here . Especially men flannel’s … especially vans men shirts 😅
So sad to hear how harmful drugs and surgeries were given to this dear young woman. It’s good to hear the healthy and positive ways that she is now experiencing life. I hope you both continues to grow in your faith and receive loving comfort in Jesus in the beautiful days ahead.
I am so encouraged and impressed and inspired by your transparency and earnestness, Chloe. God bless you!
Katie! Tears in my eyes!! You are so courageous!
God bless you sweetie! You are a wonderful example of strength!!
I am very liberal. But I have been very disturbed by the trend of the medical transition of children. Thank you for sharing your story. It has helped me to clarify my beliefs.
its about agendas and $$$$
Same. I respect the choices of trans adults. But medical transitioning of children makes me uneasy. And “nonbinary” seems a result of social contagion, esp with young people.
*kristina* You are part of the problem. Supporting those politics laws.
You should to think twice before.
@@evelym_here I have not supported any laws regarding this matter. I am trying to have a thoughtful, sensitive approach to a difficult and divisive situation.
@@kristina4272 You give your vote to the politicians making them a majority, those who promote these Laws and being a majority are approved. Yeah; you are part of the problem.
Chloe you are going to help so many people by giving them a voice. I’m so proud of you. ❤
Me too!!!!!
Hear hear!! Amazing young woman! Getting stronger everyday.
Me as well!
She just spoke on Cape Cod Saturday. She is saving people.
@@MrsK976 I am not surprised!
Thanks for giving these young people a platform. God bless you. I hope they can find peace.
You’re doing a wonderful thing for other confused kids by talking about your stories. This is so sad. Thank you 🙏
I am a 66 year year old Grandma. I was an athlete, tomboy and always wore boys clothes. I never wanted to be a boy. Thank God I was never forced into thinking I needed to change my sex. These two women are truly amazing and will help so many women who are caught up in this insanity of humanity. You are so special and articulate. I don't know you but I am so proud of you and how mature you are. Keep on speaking out! Blessings to you both.
Boys too. A LOT of boys get coerced into chopping their penises off...a cancer community and a corrupt medical professional is all you need to destroy your life.
Nobody is "forced into thinking" unless they are insane or mentally retarded. This girl made self-destructive choices and her parents likely went along with it. The doctors are morally bankrupt, her parents are complicit and she turned herself into a twisted freak of nature. Whoops!
You’re a beautiful woman.
yes...and thank goodness NOBODY has ever been forced into thinking that. It is absolutely stounding that there are still such ignorant people that don't understand this is the exact reason why need gender affirming care, so that people can undergo psychiatric analysis and psychological counselling to understand the difference between having gender dysmorphia and simply being confused about not fitting in to societal norms.
You can't change your sex, it's an illusion. Like anorexia it is body dysphoria.
If society would just permit the more masculine girls and feminine boys to have a seat at the table without being ridiculed, bullied, threatened, shunned, etc. then a lot of this could be avoided.
Read the comments cause that's the way it used to be!
The worrying thing is even a short time ago this was happening. A lot of people (myself included) are talking about growing up as "tomboys" and it was largely just shrugged off and not something that had to be "fixed". They just decided to let kids be kids and find their own identity instead of putting gender labels on everything.
I think you are being silly, there are a lot of people being bullied, ridiculed, shunned and threatened in school not because of being masculine or feminine but because the people do this just because they can and are horrible people, they do this to anyone they can
@@kathylarson8876 I happen to agree with you. What these particular youth experience is specifically what I was talking about, and not to the exclusion of others.
@@akc1739 I agree with the sentiment but even your initial comment demonstrates an issue with our society. What makes a boy "feminine" or a girl "masculine?" Some boys have more sensitive, artistic, emotional personalities, but that doesn't make them feminine. Feminine describes female, which is something that no boy can be.
I am 63. When I was a girl, I was an absolute tomboy. I had no interest in dolls, played football with the boys, climbed trees, and looked for frogs in the creek. I liked the freedom that boys had and claimed it as my own. I often said I wished I was a boy. My mother tried to shame me into wearing dresses but I didn’t care and only complied when we had to go to church each Sunday. thank God I wasn’t born during these times because I probably would have wanted to “transition“. It wasn’t until I was in college that I settled in to being comfortable and thankful to be a woman. I raised a wonderful daughter of my own who happens to have always been very feminine and loved dolls, dress up , makeup and her “girly girl“ things. She still loves her make up and matching outfits and has a corporate job where everyone appreciates her style and pulled together appearance. I am still a tomboy, I just purchased my dream farm and love getting dirty in the mud, milking goats and working my land in my overalls. To each her own!
Wow! These two women are phenomenal! So brave and so beautiful despite going through hellish surgeries. I love them for speaking the truth. And I mourn for what they were robbed of. And I fear for today’s youth. God bless them both richly for telling their stories.
I wouldn't be surprised if a role in journalism and reporting fell in Chloe's lap in the near future. Seeing her professional growth has been amazing. Getting better with every interview.
Yes. Chloe is now doing an amazing job. I think we're all very proud of her.
Cloe is super intelligent and super compassionate. She is heading for something great.
It just seems to me that our society is incredibly lost. We are all chasing 'euphoria', when in reality, most of life is just plodding along. It convinces me more and more that the old Princess Bride quote "Life is pain. Anyone who tells you different is selling something" is true. This girl is showing how this really is trendy. I wonder if this huge surge would exist if there were no social media.
It is called social contagion and social media can certainly make it travel intensely and quickly. People have been influenced for centuries. Females are generally more likely to be influenced due to hormones and emotions/being more agreeable.
"As you wish."
💜🐷💜 Exactly. A trend influenced by social media for sure.. Well said, searching for euphoria. People are so lost these days.
Wonderful description of our culture! There is definitely a push from the media which is working well, unfortunately. It's being pushed into every avenue of our lives, not just the media, and kids get the message that everyone wants to see them transition.
I think big pharma and China are likely the guys really pushing the agenda. Trans people are on hormones for life.. and its a great distraction for the ever growing threat of economic takeover China has been enacting for decades now. By China I mean the CCP.
My grandchild is working towards F2M transition and I have fears that he will regret that in the future as his story started the same as Katie's. While I have no intention of quashing his plans, I'd suggest he view and really pay attention to Katie. TY both so much for your honesty in this interview.
In my opinion NO young person should be allowed to transition. They can make their decision when legally adults.
The first issue is the affirmation from family especially parental figures. Shame is indeed useful and I speak with first hand insight.
Katie herself explained that being affirmed by people in her life helped embolden her and keep her on the wrong track. Stepping in and being real can be the most loving thing to do when someone is heading down a dark path.
Referring to her as a “he” is not going to encourage detransitioning in my view.
@@candyapple7445agreed
Wow. Katie. Thank you for sharing your long journey and painful story. May increasing healing come to you---and protection as you speak out.
What a brave young lady. Sometimes admitting you were wrong is the hardest step to take. I'm glad she found her way in accepting herself as she is.
She’s trying to blame others for her horrible evil decisions
@Puddycat11385 A lot of them do.The fact is that if that doctor didn't do it they would go elsewhere or stamp and whine and threaten till they done what they wanted.
@@scratchy1704 yeah, well, if I hadn't transitioned, I would have off'd myself. So, tell me how that's a good thing? This girl just needed therapy, not a transition.
@@nincure So go for therapy. It's your own choice.
@@scratchy1704your ignorance must be bliss. Do you not hear the stories of how therapy works for people like this? Wake up and maybe go learn a thing or 2 before looking like a complete uneducated fool online
The truly outrageous issue here is that doctors ,whose oath is to do no harm ,have treated and operated on perfectly healthy young women ! Well done for bravely facing down your demons and detransitioning .
I also blame mental health "professionals" who can't/won't see other emotional/ psychological issues that many kids experience, and push them into gender confusion
They're doing it for the love of money, knowing that it's experimental and the long term affects are deadly.
Think about this: the people who routinely take the lives of perfectly healthy and fully viable preborns for no other reason than their mothers say they do not want them ALSO took that same oath to “do no harm”. And in the first half of the 20th century, so did the doctors who ruthlessly performed brutal experiments on unknowing and unwilling people from Tuskegee to Warsaw to Peking.
@@dumbbo1 Sobering reminder:
The only "transition" every soul needs is; transitioning from lies/darkness into the truth/light.
From religions into reality.
From being unsaved/wicked sinner into being saved.
From being deceived into being HEALED.
From being a salve into being FREE.
Therefore, souls, CRY OUT TO GOD and leave behind all masonic/satanic lies.
As none is trans nor male nor female in heaven, same in hell, no soul is trans nor male nor female.
FOREVER HUMAN SPIRIT.
Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Sinners shall have everlasting existence filled with agony.
Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Matthew 8:12 - But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Saved shall have everlasting existence filled with LIFE:
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
FREE WILL is given to all of us to choose between 2:
GOD OR MAMMON?
EXISTENCE FILLED WITH LIFE, WHICH WE DO NOT DESERVE
OR
EXISTENCE FILLED WITH AGONY, WHICH WE DO DESERVE?
@@dumbbo1 I agree that those doctors are murderers who broke the oath.
An interview between two intelligent, experienced, informed people on any topic is rare. I'm not a transitionist, I was a tomboy who grew up to be a dyke in a dress. I've been mistaken for a man all my life, being tall and skinny, never had a need for a bra, I cut my hair short and a lot of people when they find out I'm a woman offer to beat me up. At 66 I need this like I need a hole in the head. Whatever it is of me, one of the greatest joys of my life is having loved a man and a woman. I can say: gender is real, whichever it is. I knew a woman who told me she didn't know what male privilege was until she didn't have it anymore, and a man who, and Katie Anderson touched on this, was frightened by the aggression he developed with testosterone. Thank you for reading. I got off the train at LGBT, I wish everyone well and my brain can't hold any more. Let's all rock on.
That is great that a Pastor was your guide in a hard time of your life.
My sister (80) and myself (77) were talking about this nonsense that’s going on today. We were both tomboys and wished we were boys. But back then boys had so much more freedom than girls and we wanted that freedom and to have adventures too! I read boys books and adult books, I certainly wasn’t a girly girl. As we grew up we realised that we didn’t really want to be boys but we worked to get the important things for girls and women - equal pay for equal work, equal opportunities, sexual freedom (up to a point), the ability to travel the world without a man at your side (unless you wanted him there). We, and our sisters of the world, achieved that and so much more but there are still barriers to overcome. So I look at young people like this young woman and my heart bleeds for her. She will never know the joy of carrying a child to term and holding her baby in her arms. And before any of you Trans people start shouting about the fact that not all women can have babies - this young woman probably would have been able to like the majority of women. You and your sick and twisted ideology have taken that away from her! And, let’s get one thing straight, I am NOT a CIS person, an ovary bearing person or any of those other demeaning terms you wish to use about me and my sisters. WE ARE WOMEN! A mature female with NO DANGLY PARTS!
Trans ideology is perverse, deeply narcissistic, depraved and truly, truly evil. Never let them shut us up for calling evil, evil.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
These girls would not know the words trans, cis, body mismorphia, gender fluid, etc.if not for SM. I have a 15 yr old granddaughter going through - talk about "getting her boobs cut off." Many of the kids in her school seem to be the same way. My granddaughter is very curvy. Tiny waist, hips and quite developed. Nothing she can do will make her look like a boy. But it is the psychological damage I fear the most.
Women have their dangly bits up high, and men have their dangly bits down low. 😉
I was a tomboy too, and I used to tell my parents I "should" have been born a boy.
"Well, you NOT" wasn't the answer I wanted to hear, but it's the truth. But if I would've been born a few years later, society would've "diagnosed" me as a trans boy.
As an adult, the vast majority of my coworkers have always been male, and my work clothes have always been Carhartts, a hard hat, and steel toe boots. But I can still enjoy being feminine, like at the family reunion where my profile pic was taken (my Facebook profile pic, in contrast, is my hard hat, lol).
It's scary what's being done to kids now, and I'm so grateful for courageous women like these, who are speaking out about the dangers.
It's fine to be a tomboy! It's fine to be a feminine boy! We don't need to alter our bodies to align with some stereotype.
"I decided to challenge the dysphoria." - Katie.
Awesome.
I am glad that Katie had a good experience with the church. May the Lord bless and protect her.
Highly articulate women. This journey is heart breaking. I am not a big of Pharmaceutical interventions on most things. Most drugs are toxic, impacting the liver and other organs. There are so few drugs that don't harm people in some significant way. But the pharmaceutical industry is a billion dollar behemoth whose lobbyists have a tremendous amount of influence over our medical institutions, elected representatives as well as the media. This is a tragic story. And I hope these young women find much meaning in helping other young people see through this treacherous and deceptive game.
I have seen adverse reactions to meds; and with an anti depressant it was quite serious; I have seen friends become over-excited.
What strikes me is that the diagnosis of „textbook gender dysphoria“ was based on antiquated gender norms. Because she like superheroes and disliked wearing dressed, she automatically must be trans?!? It’s ironic that the trans movement actually clings to the false gender dichotomy and stereotypes rather than pushing towards a more inclusive and non binary understanding that gender can be expressed in many different ways, and liking certain cartoons doesn’t make you more or less female.
The less stereotypes our society has, the better ourselves will feel. Genderdysphoria could even almost disappear.
Exactly. Why is this discussion not had more? It’s a very interesting point. The clash between on one side non binary and socially constructed gender and on the other gender normative stereotypes and transgender.
Despite being seemingly in agreement because non binary and trans are both (for want or a better term) gender bending does not means they are on the same side philosophically.
Yes. We reached a point in the 80's-00's where gender was the constant, and gender stereotypes were the variable. This trans movement has now made gender stereotypes the constant and gender the variable. When did this happen? How did this happen? Why did this happen? It is fully regressive. It un-does all that was accomplished during the feminist movement.
And why shouldn't females be entitled to like superheroes or feel more comfortable in jeans instead of dresses? The crazy thing is, this is what the traditional feminists fought for- Equality of men and women to do as they wished rather than being saddled with "gender roles".
I'm always baffled by the stories where people say they thought they were a transgender person because they didn't fit the common stereotypes. When I was a kid it was perfectly normal that there were girly boys and boyish girls. And majority of kids were in fact neutral. There was nothing striking in their outward expression that would suggest they are feminine or masculine. I wonder if it's a cultural thing but as someone growing up in Central Europe, I don't feel that gender was emphasized as much as it appears in stories of these people coming from the USA or Canada. One can't put gender on interests. One can't say that a boy who likes to play with dolls or paint his nails is a girl or a girl that is only interested in sports is a boy. That's insane. I believe that society should rather stop catering to stupid stereotypes and create healthy role models for kids who deviate from "the norm" instead of suggesting them hormonal therapy and SRS.
Tell me what kind of world is this if universal health care insurance in some countries can cover the treatment for transgender people but refuses to cover birth control pills for biological women who have hormonal issues that severely reduce quality of their life? How come anyone isn't questioning why it's still so hard for many girls to get proper information on how to fight hormonal imbalances, PMS and abnormal periods? I find it absurd how I hear from everywhere how fragile and sensitive hormonal systems are and how hard it is to figure out what's wrong, yet when it comes to transition they don't seem to think twice about how will individuals respond to hormones of the opposite sex.
Exactly!! When my son was 5 he loved getting his nails painted ! I didn’t say on you are a girl!! I let him just be who he was and never put any labels on it !!
Sheesh
I think it comes as a result of religion. The US has these really defined gender roles.
@@kellharris2491 not really, here in Germany society is quite secular and still this topic is a growing problem 🤷♀️
I thought in order for such a life altering surgery, you would need a lot of councilling/therapy before surgery was approved
@@jo-jo8845 From what people say on CZcams it seems that used to be the norm in past but isn't anymore.
As a kid, I went through the Sears catalogue, found a pink "pegnoir" set, basically, frilly lingerie, for an adult woman, that I wanted for Christmas. Of course, I didn't get it, but the Easy Bake Oven was a great substitute. As a teen, I decided that I wanted a man's heavy jacket, men's hiking boots, a sleeping bag, etc., and got them all. Made me very happy. It didn't mean that I wanted to be a man. I, too, was somewhat of a tom boy, and have never felt uncomfortable about my gender, thank God. I simply cannot imagine feeling what are actually normal feelings, yet being convinced, by the medical community, that I needed to mutilate my body, to try to find happiness. I feel for the youth, of today. Social media has done so much damage, the results of which, we are just beginning to see. Thank you for sharing your story. Sending love and prayers, for your peace, in life. I am 66.
Wow Katie, you gave such a powerful and hopeful interview. I’ve heard so many people claim coming out as trans is brave. But IMO, recognising a mistake and owning it is far braver. And the fact that you took responsibility to work through it deserves so many kudos!
Katie said, "I was a woman going into surgery, and I am a woman coming out of surgery." Mic drop. My heart just bouyed hearing her realization of this. I'm so happy for you both, coming through this deception and mental mind trap, out the other side clear, and having survived. God bless both of you beautiful young women.❤❤❤
Well said. 100% agree. I so want these young women to continue to grow and succeed in life. All I’d add is stay strong
This makes me so angry because actual trans people know this. Their goal is not to become the other sex. Their goal is to minimize their condition. Not all of them undergo surgery because their (actual reconized) condition is helped with other things. Katie was not well informed. And this only shows how stupid the patriarcy is. How girls are bullied if they wont wear a skirt. Girls should be accepted in all forms! Even if they like spiderman and not barbie. This is the problem here! Start raising your girls right! They are ok without dress and dolls.
Middle school is hard for everyone.
Who pays for all this medical crap?
@@cathymarsh1782هذا بسبب الاختلاط بين الجنسين لو فرقنا الجنسين و اصبحت لدينا مدارس للاولاد منفصله عن مدارس البنات لاصبح الجو اكثر صحيا والتركيز على العلم اصبح اكثر لان المراهقه صعبه لكلا الجنسين
I was a tomboy growing up. I never wanted to be a boy but I thought my body looked out of proportion and wasn’t comfortable with it when I started to change at puberty. Now I look at pictures and think “wow” if only I could look like that again 😊. These poor kids need to be left to work through their issues just as I did. I grew into my new body, got married, birthed 4 kids and I am so angry at what we are doing to kids today. It’s pure evil. Help them, really help them rather than butcher them.
You want to help them work through....what exactly do you think gender affirming care IS?!?!?! It's psychiatric analysis and psychological counselling used to determine if someone has legitimate gender dysmorphia or just confusion about not fitting into a perceived societal norm.
@@brianbenoit6883 Have you heard what real gender affirming care is? Have you listened to poor kids who after puberty come to terms with who they are but have been butchered or medicated and are damaged for life. Gender affirming care is just a line thrown out to make people think the best is being done for these kids. They are confused and what we are doing to them is criminal. I loved my kids so much that I always remembered they were just kids whose brains hadn’t developed yet. I said no to lots of things. I used to say that when they were an adult they could make their own decisions but for now I was going to protect them from their youthfulness. Now they are parents and grateful that I didn’t let them do some of the things their teenage brain thought was ok. I loved my kids!!!
@@brianbenoit6883 Listen to these detransitioners who were rubber stamped into taking HRT drugs and having surgeries that chopped off breasts and took out all internal female parts. The logical thing is to have them go through long evalutions and assessments but that's not what is happening in 98% of these cases.
@@brianbenoit6883not really. I agree with AfricanSoles based on what happened with my child at the clinic. These places are not designed to treat childhood trauma, offer coaching for young people with autism to function better in society, or deal with any of those comorbidities that can make a teen susceptible to social contagion or an easy out for their problems. They’re in the business of getting people transitioned. I wish I had understood that better and not listened to bad advice.
@@brianbenoit6883You are very clearly missing the point.
One of the jaw-dropping moments was when Katie said the political LGBT teens community called her transphobic, even though she was identifying transgender at the time, all because she had conservative views. What hypocrisy. Really weird times we live in. I've been fearing people call me transphobic, and I think both of you are super brave. I really can't compare my situation with yours though.
Katie is so well spoken!! She
Is so in tune with her thoughts and speaks so well about her thoughts and feelings! Bless her and her loving family 🙏
This reminds me of "Just say NO to drugs." That is, stopping the search for euphoria. Best wishes to Katie.
No. Being spiritual and sober is amazing
Ohhhh 😲 I understand now ❤
@Ben I never had euphoria attached with my transition but I wasn't taking testosterone.
DARE to stand for truth.
Thank you for speaking out. I remember telling my father at age 13 that i didn't want to be a girl or a boy. I just wanted to be a human. I was a late bloomer when it came to dating but im soon celebrating 47 years of marriage and grateful for my life and my family. I found more satisfaction in being a mom than any other part of my life. I am educated and had a career but my children are still my greatest joy.
So glad you started this podcast Chloe. You can really identify with and help bring this people’s stories out. Great job on the interview.
Both Katie and Chloe have very strong testimonies. Thank you for sharing your stories and speaking up to help those who are going through what you both have been through. May God bless you both!
Chloe is an excellent example of what doing the right thing does to a person. She is more and more at peace and radiant. It's beautiful to see.
I agree❤
Agree!
Those of us who grew up as Tomboys are a special breed. I'm so sorry that you went through this. Thank you for helping others rather than being afraid.
We need 10k copies of her in schools across America.
This woman would have been saved this trauma if people had just replied …well you are a girl, like it or lump it. A young girl at my daughters school was acting the same for years, she was a tomboy, wore the boys school uniform etc. She’s now living happily as a gay woman. This was thirty years ago, so before the trend luckily for her.
I couldn’t get my tubes tied after my third child. My doc refused. Later I was glad as I went to have two more babies. And this doc took all her reproductive system out just like that! That’s evil! Is pure evil! God help us! Thank you for your courage and speaking out. We have to stop this madness!
So your dr wouldn’t tie your tubes but yet another dr took this girl’s reproductive organs out that were perfectly healthy….this 🤦♀️
The planet is being destroyed for overpopulation. To have more than three kids is evil
I wanted to have my tubes tied at 19. Every doctor refused on the grounds that I was too young to know I didn't want kids. I finally got my tubes tied at 29 after psychological assessment to rule out I made that decision based on traumatic experiences. I'm very happy that I finally got the surgery. The point is it took 10 years for them to be sure I wouldn't regret it but they don't hesitate to remove whole reproductive systems and breasts from 18 year olds if they think they should have been born a different sex. Mind blowing.
@@sandravd8841 Doctors to not perform those surgeries without going through a thorough evaluation. You are listening to right wing anti trans propaganda
Looks like natural selection at work. She wanted to opt out of the gene pool and I think she made the right decision
It's a wild world when I know numerous women who begged their drs, on their 4-5th kid, all c-sections, to just tie their tubes because they were DONE DONE DONE, happily married, four-five kids, exhausted, husband agrees. And drs still won't. Yet these super young humans get gutted for ideology. Even a LOT of trans adults don't agree with youth having all this done, so this isn't even some nonsensical "you're with us or against us."
Sorry, as a physician I do not believe you: we (anesthesia) and obstetricians of course, know way too well what each consecutive caesarian delivery means. It means increasing chances of running into a life threatening post partum hemorrhage because of placenta accreta. The likelihood of having your placenta sticking too much to the uterus increases with EVERY repeated caesarian. So I am not buying that someone who had 4, 5 (😢😢😢😢) cesareans would be denied a tubal ligation.
@@waiki8223 I have a good friend who had 4 children and was going through menopause. She was having issues - bleeding heavy etc. She wanted a hysterectomy and the doctor said no. She got another opinion and was finally allowed to have it. A grown woman who was done having children had to fight tooth and nail to get a hysterectomy, but some of these doctors rush to do complete hysterectomies on a young healthy girl like this.
It was never a problem for me.. I am 70… had 3…
My heart goes out to these beautiful girls. Our society has failed them.
These Drs who made so much money have to own up too.
Yes, it is a psychiatric condition. Good thing you are doing talking about this so honestly. Thank you!
Hi Chloe. I am a 25 yr old female. Growing up, I was similar to your guest speaker. I was very much so a tom boy. I even thought I was lesbian at one point simply because of how I carried myself and how different I was from other girls. Thankfully, when I was a teen, transgenderism was fairly taboo. I understand now that I would’ve easily fallen into this trap if somebody allowed me to. I was a depressed kid. Many bad childhood experiences. And have Asperger’s syndrome. I am much happier now. I have an incredible relationship, great job, and thankfully… my health. We need to protect our fellow girls who may not be completely gender conforming. I love you all. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
I am blown away by her clarity of explanation of her life, what happened, how she felt, etc. So articulate, so honest and courageous. Thank you to you both.
I totally agree
As a girly girl, I HATED puberty. It was mortifying, and I wasn't ready. I just wanted to stay as I was before thirteen. Periods and boobs disrupted my whole life and the way people looked at me, so I would have done anything to put it on pause. Thank goodness that option was not available then.
This breaks my heart. What a brave, intelligent person.
This has got to be the best detransitioner testimony and interview I've ever heard! So well spoken.
Alexander L did an excellent one too
Then you need to listen to Chloe’s
Thank you Chloe for giving detransitioners a voice. This medical scandal needs to end.
These surgeries are the modern equivalent of blood-letting and lobotomies. Gender clinics should be shut down, and anyone performing these unnecessary surgeries should be sued for malpractice.
This is so, so, sad.
Imagine being told there was NO other option except surgery.
You are a very courageous lady & im totally impressed.
You have so much to offer, & society needs your experience to help others.
God bless you today & always.
Thank you for sharing your story. This will be a tremendous help to many young people struggling. God Bless you!
The first time I saw you smile was when you talked about your pastor and using your birth name. It sounds like you began fighting back to the dysphoria all on your own at first. Your own personal warrior arose within you. What an inspiration you are! Great interview really.
Thank you Chloe for what you do and thank you Katie for sharing your story 💙🖤
Both you beautiful young ladies are warriors
Bless you both for what you are doing
If you save one it is worth it
God bless this beautiful young woman…thank-you for speaking out!!!🙌🏻
Katie, you should definitely be a spokesperson . You have such an incredible ability to share all your knowledge , thoughts and experiences. You are valuable and an incredible person! Please use your experience to help others! I’m so proud of you for standing up for yourself.
I feel so protective of this younger generation who is being targeted at every angle. What beautiful energy this young woman has. I wish she had never been harmed. I’m so appreciative of her sharing her story in the hope that it will save others questioning their bodies. ❤
Can't make permanent decisions based on subjective feelings. Your body is not a car, you can't just put back some of the parts you take out. Thanks for speaking out and sharing your experiences.
You said it right !😊
that makes no sense.
You make decisions based on subjective feelings most of the time. Finding a mate is an example. Having a kid is another of those. Deciding your education is yet another.
@@lil_weasel219 But are those decisions all Permanent?
@@lil_weasel219 maybe that’s how you decided on finding a lifetime partner, deciding to have a child or deciding your education. Most us actually think deep and hard about those decisions prior to making them. Additionally, if i decide i am going to study history and later find i ought to have chosen English i am not now suddenly unable to study history. Similarly, if i choose the wrong lifetime mate there is always an off ramp if it doesn’t work out. Those are massive differences. You know this but i think you are either argumentative or trying to cover for really lazy thinking.
@@kashkesh27 yeah having a kid is permanent? lmao
I think you are more trustworthy because you are honest. May God bless you for sharing a light on this and saving others from this medical craziness. Keep sharing!
What a fabulous interview. You are both so articulate, and doing such good work. Thank you!
First of all stop looking online to find your identity. Your body parts are all you need to confirm who you are. Who doesn’t feel awkward at puberty!!! Good grief people!! It’s all good you’ve come out of that confusion, but what a price to pay. I was a tomboy, I wore my brothers clothes, I hated the changes, but never in my life did I consider lopping off body parts, believing I’m not who I was born to be. What a messed up world we live in. 😢
Absolutely
The brain isn't even developed yet.
What if you had been told your interests and discomfort with your bodily changes during puberty meant you were actually a male, and that you required medications and surgeries in order to resolve your "birth defect"?
@@Gingerblaze it’s not birth defect!!!! Goodness I’m not stupid!!!! Not a single person could have convinced me to start chopping. 🙄
I really think social media is a big motivator for young people to change their gender. They tell you that you are probably someone else than who you are. It’s like those stupid tests you take where if you answer yes to so many questions on the list then you’re depressed. Or you’re gender dysphoric.
@@Gingerblaze I would have run out of that office at the speed of light and never gone back.
Chloe great interview, I hope you continue interviewing.
Katie has a great head on her shoulders. I have a feeling she's going to help a lot of people in the near future.
God Bless you both ! ❤❤❤
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Yes!! Keep going 👍
Being more feminine or masculine doesn't mean you're the wrong gender.. It just means you're more feminine or masculine.. wearing clothes "designated" for a man, that does that mean you were meant to be a man.. You just have different taste in clothes.. The world is in an insane state.
Chloe, You are such an amazing brave young woman! Your story and hard work to educate people is helping so many people. Thank you 🙏
A lot of what Katie said brought me to tears. She’s so smart and has a wonderful outlook on life. Chloe is so genuine and thoughtful and has a talent for interviewing. This video was amazing 💖
Thank you both for being awesome and putting yourself out there to help others. I know it's not easy.
I've been on T for 23 years. I was also informed consent but I had to go to 6 weeks of testosterone classes. Group and individual therapy and it blows my mind that no one is slowing these young people down.
Katie, Chloe, beautiful, intelligent qnd sensitive interview. Well done. Thanks so much. The world needs this level of candour, integrity and grace. Love to you both. L
I am almost 40. It takes years to feel confident in our bodies. Maternity helps A LOT. We see how wonderful our bodies can be and experience unconditional love. We start seeing ourselves how our children see us. To them we are beautiful no matter what. Cross culturally women experience discomfort and ackwardness in our adolescence. It gets better with time as we mature. Young girls need to hear this more often... it is normal to feel that way... and eventually you'll get over it. Womanhood is not a feeling , it is a physical reality we all experience. Wearing pants and liking sports does not make you a man. I never thought in this era we would have such regressive and stereotipycal thinking.
I can not love your comment enough!
The only thing that helped my body dysmorphia was pregnancy and giving birth! It actually breaks my heart thinking about the way I used to see my body.. but after a very smooth pregnancy, a fast and easy labour and recovery and the fact that I bounced right back after pregnancy, made me love and admire my body for what it is capable of, and I feel terrible for not being proud of it during its whole development..
I honestly don't know a single woman who wasn't uncomfortable with her body at some stage during puberty - telling these girls that what they're actually experiencing is "gender dysphoria" is criminal.
Amen!
I am confident in my body and I have never had children. Please stop perpetuating the myth that women must have children in order to really be women.
I know many women who lost confidence in their bodies after pregnancy/birth. Your experience is not universal by any means.
@@loosilu that was me. it was hard to accept that I am an incubator, and a dairy farm. then i had this idea to free women from this burden. I started to research artificial wombs, how to invent one. And what I learned - it is very complicated and also not safe for babies and just no way it could be affordable. And then I thought: "My body is an incubator and a dairy farm. This is so amazing!" in a way female bodies do not completely belong to them, they have parts to connect to other people, they have parts to form and grow new people. we are not lonely, we are part of the society, we are important.
She's so beautiful; I feel like crying. The people who did this to her must be prosecuted
She chose it for herself dimwit.
She could have been a good mother if she'd landed on the right path earlier i.e. not brainwashed by leftists.
What angers me about this is I am 45 and I want my uterus removed but I can't because there is no reason other than my desire to not have children. But a child can decide to change their sex and poof all of it is gone. WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES IN THE MEDICAL WORLD!!!
Katie, I am so sorry what you went through. Thank you for speaking out.
The internet is ruining these kids.
Katie you can make great decisions. Recognizing that you have gone down the wrong path and correcting that IS a big decision. This shows how smart you are. How many people in the world don't have the courage to correct a path they have taken, even though they know it is the wrong path?
Well said. She made the best decision of all and that is trusting God and seeking out a pastor who can counsel her on what God says, not what pop psychology is espousing or dangerous internet fads. We need to trust God's Word and follow Him. Society will lead us astray. Prov. 3:5-6, 1 Cor. 13:12, Isa. 55:8-9Pro. 16:25.
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I agree
Chloe, you are a natural interviewer, you have a career in this field!
The fear that one could be wrong about everything is one reason why many struggle to acknowledge being wrong about anything
Chloe, I’m sorry for everything you’ve been through. But thank you for standing up and speaking out. Thank you for bringing these very important stories to light. Everyone needs to hear them.
Yes Chloe, Thank you!!
I grew up as socially awkward, more of a tomboy, not interested in dresses or girl stuff as much as boy stuff, 4 brothers, zero sisters, and I was always heavy as I got older and at the time, boys clothes were bigger and more comfortable. But I never felt like I didn't want to be a girl. It terrifies me to think what path I might have gone down had I been raised in this generation. I remember in the early-mid 2000's, I talked to a therapist who after I told her about my childhood and being raised with all brothers, she blurted out : So how long have you wanted to be a boy?
And I remember feeling so disgusted that I was coming across that way. but retrospectively it makes me wonder how long this ideology has been being pushed.
I had a similar experience--3 brothers no sisters, raised by my dad, grew up wanting to play outside in the dirt more than with dolls. I am so glad I avoided this ideology. Thankfully my parents wouldn't have supported this madness, but it's still scary to think about.
Ugh, what that therapist said to you makes me sick too. What an absolute bitch, and what a horrid thing to say. I hope you put her in her place, and never returned for another session.
ThankYou Katie and Chloe . This is themost disarming conversation regarding trans dysphoria i have heard. Although the system ( including well paid medical People) has let You down You show true bravery to face up to the reality of what , how and why things happened. Inspiring , thankYou ! Wishing You all the best 🦘☮️
Katie and Chloe are remarkable young women, and I believe they will help so many young people!