I' m very glad to see your post because I am 5'-6" and I was concerned about the seat height. The tallest bike I owned had a seat height of 31.8" (this is my max) So this 2023 Honda Goldwing DCT(non tour) has a seat height of 29.3. I guess I should be OK with it, now if I can go from 180 to 150 lbs I will be very happy. Are you happy with the stock seat? I hear many people buy Saddlemen or Russell seats saying those are more comfortable.
@@nr3157Keep in mind the GW has a wide seat and that takes a little extra length to reach the floor. At a similar height as you, I lowered mine a couple inches ($40 lowering links) and that made it way more comfortable and less intimidating.
@northofthecity21 Before you lowered your bike, were you able to put both feet down halfway? I mean, the only part of your feet that won't touch the ground are the ankles. I can ride like this without any problems, but there's no way I will ride it if I'm tiptoeing . I saw a video of a midget that would get off his bike and stand every time he came to a stop.
@@nr3157 I was able to put both feet down half way but I wanted a bit more contact for extra confidence. Since I almost never put my right foot down on stops, perhaps I could have lived without the modification but I can tell for backing up and stopping at uneven pavement, it's given me a lot more confidence. Now I don't have to worry about picking the right spot to stop.
I have owned this incredible machine since 20. Got it new. in 35 years of riding, the best machine ever. I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE my DCT. By now, I know how it thinks, how it behaves and she talks to me as I ride. DCT is a smart transmission that learns your riding habits. Honda did a superb job on it. This DCT is not for everyone....period. I will never go back to manual. Honda will never stop the DCT. I am betting on it.
My friend bought this model and rode it for 20,000 miles, before trading it for a Triumph Tiger 1200. Now, every time we ride, he comments on how much he misses the GoldWing. It had a lot more wind protection, comfort and tech. For a tourer, it can't be beat.
Love mine. Took it to the Pyrenees, was never slower than other bikes in the windy bits, the drag there was so easy, and the brakes are simply stunning. Keeper.
As usual, your high-spirited review has brought the video to yet another level of excitement. I do own a '22 DCT GW and it is the most comfortable bike for long distance touring hands down. The air pocket where I sit is nicely protected and the protection alleviates the rider from road stress quite a bit. In the front, if you do want some wind, you can pop up the air-vent foil (on the top of the dash) to direct a gentle amount of wind into your face. Besides the joy of riding provided by the linear torque, the flat-6 does protrude out slightly and prevents me from too much leaning when negotiating curves.
I’ve been riding for many years on many bikes. One thing I’ve learned about using DCT (Africa Twin) is that’s it’s a Dual Clutch Transmission, not an automatic. Using it to its full potential requires experience and skills that are unique and dissimilar to the typical automatic in a car. It would be interesting to hear if others feel the same.
Agree with u and also the reason why i changed back to a manual after only owning a dct for a short time. Im not pretending to be an expert at manual but slow speed with dct is horrible (for me) i couldnt get used to not having a clutch to feather. On my manual i can just clutch/throttle/rear break and do slow speed traffic all day, on a dct all i could do was put my foot down. I know its a me problem and i know people get good at dct slow speed, but if u go into dct thinking its easy or easier, not for slow speed it is..
But you can still use the rear brake with the dct for slow speed stuff isnt that right? But agree. My buddy and me tried the nt1100 with dct and it was a very weird and rough transmission for low speed. And touring mode lets the engine lug to hell and back. Even when going uphill and giving lots of throttle it would just stay in 5th and vibrate like mad In sport mode it didn't wanna shift, just rev and rev
I've own a NC750X dct 2022 model, and I find it great, if slow speed os a problem, then try putting it on manual mode for those tight u turns and yes you van use the rear brake.
My better half bought a Rebel 1100 with DCT, which i sorta gained. Changing gears with the paddles makes it much more fun to ride, and I added a Vance n Hines which woke it up considerably. The DCT in Auto "Standard" or "Rain" mode definetely seeks gears too eatly, and even in these modes you can paddle shift. In "Sports" manual mode it's hilarious!
Most DCTs have a learning electronic control unit. My wife drives my DCT turbo car a lot, and funny enough it shifts like a grandmother (which she is) is driving it in normal mode. Sports mode remembers how I drive it. Every so often I get in it, select normal mode, and rip the crap out of it. Use the paddle shifters, use the gear shift and generally just mess with the "learning" aspect. It stops it from basically defaulting to eco mode in everything it does. Because left in normal mode, and driven conservatively, that's exactly what happens. It ends up driving like it's in eco. Which is the most uninspiring drive for a hot turbo hatch. That learning aspect is super annoying. It leads to symptoms that feel like a major gearbox problem, but turns out it's just confused after she's driven it for week, and I drive it just once. A good thrashing for 20 mins, and it seems to completely change characteristic again. I had a mate ride the DCT Honda and proclaim it utter shit. Said it just tries to get to 6th gear every time he accelerated. So uninspiring. I asked if he tried different modes. Didn't get a coherent answer. Just more "Honda are shit, my KTM with 11 quadrillionty HP is so much better blah blah" comments.
I test rode this in 2018 when it first came out. I'm a shorter guy with the inseam of a Hobbit. it was extremely manageable and has only gotten better in the past few years. Had a 2014 CTX700 dct. It was fine, but he DCT was a bit rough, and the bike was underpowered for it's weight. The goldwing took all the lessons there and made it great. I did end up getting the rebel 1100 DCT in the interim (until I win the lottery or whatnot). The DCT on it is excellent, and the manual versions do really well too.
There's lots to like about the new Goldwing, but it's not for everyone. 800+ lbs is a lot, even if much of it is down low. Also there's lots of great bikes out there for much less cost. I own a BMW R-1150-RS which can best be described as a Sport-Tourer. It has a quarter-fairing that isn't so massive that I can't lower the windscreen to increase the breeze on a hot day. I have BMW System Cases that carry a lot, but are readily removable for when they're not needed. ABS with Linked solenoid assisted brakes have always provided more braking than I've ever needed. It's seat is height-adjustable and comfortable for all-day rides. At 545 lbs it handles well on twisting back roads, and the motor has plenty of torque and HP. I bought it for $5,500 Cdn used 3 years ago with super low mileage. (This is my second R-1150-RS). It's been totally reliable, and easy to do all the routine maintenance on. The newer BMW's offer lots of options such as quick shifting transmissions and shift-cam engines, typically for significantly less than a Goldwing, unless you opt for their 6-cyinder models. Point is there's lots of great options that can bring you joy, whether its backroad blasting, or crossing the continent.
Love my 22 Ultra Blue DCT Tour Airbag. The Lexus of motorcycles. Gets up and goes from the stop. Sport mode is another level. It’s a big bike. But it’s really grand.
Great review. I have the 2023 DCT Tour. Minor note there is a Goldstrike riding peg that sits in a great spot for long legs. You're right about the weight all sitting super low; incredible how manageable it is for the weight. I'd also highlight how dramatic a change the riding modes are with the DCT. In Sport it stays low in the gears and high in the revs way longer than you'd anticipate and really wants to run.
@@Big-Si2253 Good catch. Mine is Goldstrike. Looks factory tho 👍 Sits just outboard and below about the center of the engine. The pads are available in big pad, small pad, and actual peg. Thanks for the correction.
I'm a long time GW owner of the previous model. Can't wait to upgrade to this latest model. Saving up for it because yes, it's pricy.. but also definitely worth it. 15 years on V-twin cruisers before I went to the GW and these Hondas are just so comfortable with the performance I don't miss the V-twin as much. Go and ride one and you'll see. But the BIG difference is in any distance ride. Vastly reduced riding fatigue.
I pull a massive camper with mine and outran a Harley while doing it. This thing is awesome. I also have a R1250GS, but for trips over 100 miles or with my wife, it's the Goldwing!
Hi there, I've been riding a '16 plate GSA since 2018, done 3 Iron Butt 1000 miles and ride all year. I'm f511 tall and I often have to stand up on the pegs due to bad knees / back... Is the Goldwing riding position acceptable compared to a GS? I assume you can't really stand up ?... In advance, many thanks for your time.
@@EssexCountyPhoto on my 2015 i can stand up when i need a stretch & to feel the wind. i know its the old goldwing body style but i rode my father's 2021 and i felt that i could do the same. if that helps.
@@EssexCountyPhoto The GS is way more confortable for the legs than the Goldwing and the K1600. I’m in a BMW motorcycle club. 90% are GS and some are also owner of a K1600. 100% of them go whit their GS for long road trip, and keep their K1600 for a day ride.
On the DCT: it is brilliant but takes a lot of practice to master on a bike this size. Rain mode for in town and slow speed gives you the finesse to feel confident. If you do a test ride in Sport mode you may miss experiencing what is an exceptional motorbike that doesn't get the credit it deserves for being able to commute and tour all year round, in both comfort and style, with luggage.
Great review, interesting comment on test riding a Goldwing , as a K1600GT owner I seriously considered purchasing a Goldwing DCT however locating a Honda dealer who actually has a DCT equipped Wing I could test ride has proved to be extremely difficult (if not impossible), I even contacted Honda UK and asked for their assistance in locating a dealer who had a DCT Wing I could road test, they didn't even bother replying, so have now abandoned the idea which is a shame as I really quite like the idea of owning a DCT equipped Wing.
Same here in Belgium. It’s very difficult to get a test ride on a Goldwing, so I went for a K1600 GTL, while there’s 15 K1600 available for test ride. 3 years after I bought the BMW, I finally get a test ride on a Goldwing. It was a very bad experience as that Goldwing DCT Tour was a crap. So I still need to test a good state Goldwing.
I have the 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT and it is a fantastic bike. This is the bike I use for long distance travel and it is very comfortable. I camp send I get all the gear I need in the top box and side boxes. Two negatives are range and CarPlays inability to work without a helmet comm. I use a comm so that’s not the problem but on long rides the battery dies and then CarPlay fails. I also have the 2021 GS Adventure and its tank capacity is fantastic. I would love the gauge to be all digital. Analog is useless anymore.
Try using a bluetooth dongle (I think in the top box of the Tour bikes and in the left saddlebag of non Tours there is another usb connection) It fools the bike into thinking it is connected to a headset. If you use carplay for mostly navigation it works well.
Every bike has its pluses and minuses. The goldwing dct is no exception. Unbelievable comfort and technology that comes to forefront especially on trips. Going for a morning coffee or going around cones in a parking lot are IMO two of its compromises.
First of all get a protection plate for the oil filter stud on the gearbox. The casting is really thin there, and a stone shot up by the front wheel will break off the stud, and demand a whole new engine case costing $17,000 to replace... That's the biggest problem with GW from 2018 to 2022...
I don't see any changes between my 2018 DCT and the 23 model. The software was upgraded at the last service so am I missing anything else? I personally love the "sled" profile but then I never have a pillion.
There are hwy peg options but not cheap. We’re in the market for a touring bike. Just spent an entire day checking out EVERY brand. Long day but well worth it. Wife’s perspective as the passenger, hands down GW the most comfortable. 6’1” 34” inseam ‘driver’ w/ long arms…bars are WAY forward and WAY low. $800 for new bars will fix the bars issue. Going with the GW.
Absolute beast of a bike, If you enjoy riding at speed, mine is manual, reviewer is spot on.... If all out comfort is a priority you will need to get a better seat. and some foot pegs. Year 2 for me and 6K later.
I’ve had my 2019 since 2020 and would say you have most correct, I would comment that 220-250 miles is a more realistic regular range, which is what I see from mine The only criticism I can give is the luggage volume for such a large motorcycle and the price, otherwise it’s near on touring perfection. , and easily the finest motorcycle I have ever owned or ridden. Nothing else gets close
@@UltimateDazzle « Nothing else get close ». The K1600 is the sporty big Touring motorcycle while the Goldwing is the most confortable. So, yes an other motorcycle get close or do better in a different way.
Great bike, especially ther 'bagger'. I have a proper reverse on my trike, a Can-Am F3-S. I also have four two-wheelers. Ridiculously expensive sunglasses in that advert. Nick J
The bags/cases are stuck on the bike so you can’t take them into your motel room so naked trips out to the bike to get your clean undies are something you have to get used to
I’ve a K1600 GTL and took my cases in my room until the rain came up and the cases were totally dirt. So I bought the inner bags and do not remove anymore the cases on road trip. Even in camping mode.
I want a goldwing so bad but I know it will ruin any other motorcycle for me. I've been putting a lot of miles on my ADV390 but I'm always tinkering trying to make it a little more comfortable and suitable for distances
Thank you so much for this video you did. Can you help me get my message below to Honda Motorcycles? Reaching them has proved shockingly impossible for me though I'm still trying. While I'm not yet a GW owner/rider...yet, I'm certainly in love with the GW, especially the DCT-Tour. Recently I've come across two problems that unsuspecting GW riders have been contending with and I want to know if Honda can mitigate these two problems through future design modifications. Problem number one is the eventual premature failure of the DCT clutch system experienced by riders who continuously ride the GW DCT-Tour at low enough speeds to have the clutch engage/disengage (and what lies in between this) actuation repeat itself too frequently to its early destruction. I hope Honda will educate future buyers of the GW DCT-Tour about this type of clutch-wrecking riding style since such damage will not be covered by warranty. What I would like to know as a potential buyer is "Can/will Honda be able to modify the DCT system to overcome this inherent weakness of being overworked at the slow speed regimes involving the engage/disengage engine speeds of 1,000 to 1,500 rpm range (am I correct about that rpm range)?" Problem number two is the premature wearing-out of the front shock absorber's bumper due to how close the shock absorbing strut gets/stays when weight (of rider or more) is placed on the bike...there just isn't any useful strut-travel space left. I see too many complains about the shocks being too soft and hitting the bumper too much, too frequently unless the roads are blemish-free. I'm worried that in my part of the world (Nigeria) where tarred roads of developed urban areas are 90% riddled with bump-rich blemishes and heavy, crawl-pace traffic jams are a daily challenge, owning a GW DCT-Tour will be incredibly costly in terms of repeated front strut bumper and clutch replacements. What is Honda doing about these unresolved issues?
it’s June of 2024, and i’m about to trade in my 2006 for a 2018 DCT Tour Airbag, and I can’t wait to get it !!!!…thx for the video, but you didn’t have to sell me
As an American watching this video it is just stressful seeing you on the opposite side of the road all the time. I keep having to remind myself you are supposed to be there and aren't in danger of being smashed by an oncoming truck at every corner lol
The big question is.. how is the low speed handling/sharp turn maneuvering on a DCT version according the non-DCT version? Did he mention it? If yes, sorry did not pay attention then 😊
I've owned the GW Tour model for 2 years now. It is the best bike I have ever owned, ride wise... That being said I HATE the DCT and wished I had not purchased the DCT model. A full on Slipper Clutch setup would have been much better. I have wrecked the bike 3 times and all due to no clutch... I have ridden the bike from GA to VT and Back as well as other extended rides. I am so used to the Clutch (and own other bikes) that I am gun shy when it comes to taking out the GW. This DCT is very dangerous IMO... all it takes is a mistake like wanting to rev the engine and your done for. When I come to stops I have to actively remind myself to take my hand off of the throttle... on long rides where you are used to a clutch it is just second nature to pull in that clutch and when it's not there and you are tired... well it's a problem. I've had issues where it jerks when I am slowing down due to bumps or whatever and you speed up as it throws you back in the saddle and there is nothing you can do. Overall bad design.. .there should be a clutch. Second biggest issue with the GW is its AirPlay or Android connectivity.. its garbage... I dont even use it as it requires a headset which I never use. Tried everything to trick it into thinking I had a headset and nothing works. Even tried using a headset and it just connects and then disconnects and then connects again... it's just not worth the aggravation of connecting it to anything.. I just use my phone in a cradle. It's one more thing you're going to spend 30 minutes on trying to get working prior to leaving on your trip. Third... It's not as comfortable as everyone says. I'm 5'11" 210lbs. and find on long rides that due to the tilt of the seat my balls are crushed up against the tank and eventually I find myself sitting on them, which is very uncomfortable. If they would have leaned the seat back a little I dont think this would happen. The seat is also not plush or comfy in any way... It's a Motorcycle Seat and your ass is going to get sore after an hour, no matter what. I've watched a ton of videos on replacing the seat and not one has convinced me that a 1 to 2 grand upgrade on the seat is worth it. But like I said, overall it's a great bike and I will probably sell this one and pick up one with a clutch.
I can not believe, how did you manage to get only 200 miles from a fuel tank? What were you doing? Racing at top speed or what? This is a touring bike and if you are riding normally, you can get an easy 300 miles... This is my 3rd Goldwing and this is the most fuel-efficient bike ever made. I've even managed to achieve 3.9 liters per 100km...520 km from a 21-liter tank... Riding this within the speed limit is unmatchable with any bike with half of its engine capacity and weight...
GoldWing for bikes is what Rolls-Royce is for cars.. no need to explain why or compare it with anything else. When you think of touring bikes, everyone says GoldWing. It's ridiculous to call it a "great touring bike", it''s THE touring bike.
A Rolls Royce 😂😂😂 I really love the GW, but it’s way far to come close to a Rolls Royce finition. I will more likely say a Mercedes Classe E, and the K1600 an Audi RS6. And for sure, Trail bikes are more comfortable for long ride with a better legs position and long travel suspensions. I hate to admit that as I don’t like Trail motorcycle and prefer the GW or the K1600 with a little advantage for the GW.
@@cyclotronbxl Well its not close to RR in prestige, price, finish etc., I'm just saying that if its the most comfortable tourer than it represents in bike world what RR is in the car world..
Had a 2021 Goldwing Bagger from new, covered 12k miles. I agree slow manoeuvres can be tricky, use rain mode makes it easier. You can do full lock slow turns with it. In sports mode it’s fantastic with 170nm torque at 4800 revs. Off the mark your an feel the front wheel very neatly lift. Not much can keep with it off the mark. I completed Rospa Gold and IAM 1st on this bike so is capable. You can get it over around bends and it is planted. This is a one off bike nothing like it, not even a K1600 which feel agricultural compares to the Wing. I never could see me buying one, but love the bagger version as it’s like a sports tourer. The main grip is no auto suspension available for the bagger version. You need to manually turn the very restrictive pre load by hand that has 34 clicks. Comes standard set to 11 clicks which is for a 11st person I am 15st and got it set to 22 for a more performance setting which doesn’t bottom out over bumps. I am looking for a second bike, my current bike makes it a tough tasks because it’s so good. Safe riding 👍🏼
I wish the bagger had a heated seat. Where I live we get if we are lucky a 6 and sometime 7 month riding season and both ends of it can be quite cool. Most of my riding is by myself and have not the need for the trunk plus I do not wish to pay for something I do not need in order to have a warm caboose. Otherwise I have demoed both the bagger and the tour, with and without the DCT and both are very nice - I'd buy the DCT and the bagger (with a heated seat)....were it available. Currently ride a challenger but at 71 I really could use a reverse hear to help manage the mass which the challenger does not have.
« K1600 which feel agricultural compare to the Wing ». This is clearly a cognitive biais. It’s like saying: the Audi RS6 feel agricultural compare to the Mercedes Classe S.
Very true, it depends what you want in a tourer. If you want ultra confinement and smoothness go for the Wing, if you want a bit more of an aggressive tourer to go faster than 115mph go for the K1600B. Following the test rides I went for the refinement, but is of course subjective
I'm 5'8" and the wide seat means I'm almost tippy towing at the lights. The weight is super low so you can balance with one foot but 5'3.5" might be a stretch. Once moving it is obviously a dream so you would be fine but sit on a stationary one and balance it. It is great but it is also one hell of a lump.
21 liters that's turns out to be 5.5 gallons that's a lot for a bike. My 06 SV 650 has a 4.5 gallon tank and I love it and my 2019 grom has 1.45 gallons.
Bike is great but panniers/hard bags are laughable and seen bigger handbags so bit pathetic for 2 up long tours. Suspension is great but makes the ride a bit stale as it doesn't give the feedback so is trade off for being smooth. On sport mode is good and can hustle along but not impressive if your used to maybe sport tourers. Is a great bike but a bit flat line as does it all good but just a bit vanila or plain I thought. The dash is great though and loads of information and easy to see what you need. I do laugh everytime I think of the pannier bags and trying to get 10 to 14 days worth of touring essentials for 2 people on it though. Honda really dropped the ball with that for me, but each to own :)
40 years of riding and yet I still loathe these bikes with a passion. The folk who ride these ( and I’ve met many) don’t seem to really get motorcycling.
The space on the 2018-2020 is the worst. My aftermarket Givi luggage on my Zero is better. I jumped from 1988 to my 2019 so the power increase was definitely substantial and noticed. But the luggage on the 1500 is like comparing a tugboat to the RMS Titanic.
Luggage Top case was updated in 2022 not 2021. GPS Sucks, I've replace the factory Windscreen with a F4 Customs Windshield that is far better. The Rest is just superbe. Oh! the lightning on this at night. WOW!
Why would use Honda GPS if you can use Carplay or Android Auto with Waze? I am using it and there is no better option. Here in Australia GW comes without the GPS and nobody is missing it... Most of the car's GPS's are rubbish... My wife has a Mazda CX5, top of the range and to use the GPS... is #$@%^!
I've had mine for 3 months / 4000km now. Buying it was a mistake. Feels like a big scooter. Supreme comfort with zero emotion. Wish I had bought the K1600 or R1250RT that I also tried.
How many are not buying but still watching?😮
✋🏼 here lol
Lovely machine, but for the money that you pay for it new you could also get a mid-2000s Gold Wing and a number of other really fun motorcycles.
@@spoenk7448 My 2005 Goldwing is still a looker and a superb companion. Honda made them a little too good.
Buying mine next week after weeks of deliberation. I have not told the wife jet so that will be fun.🤑🤑🤑🤑
@@sadvery8105still alive?
I’m 60 years old, 5-6”, 150 lbs and can canyon carve and city ride my DCT Goldwing with ease. Fantastic motorcycle.
I' m very glad to see your post because I am 5'-6" and I was concerned about the seat height. The tallest bike I owned had a seat height of 31.8" (this is my max) So this 2023 Honda Goldwing DCT(non tour) has a seat height of 29.3. I guess I should be OK with it, now if I can go from 180 to 150 lbs I will be very happy.
Are you happy with the stock seat? I hear many people buy Saddlemen or Russell seats saying those are more comfortable.
@@nr3157Keep in mind the GW has a wide seat and that takes a little extra length to reach the floor. At a similar height as you, I lowered mine a couple inches ($40 lowering links) and that made it way more comfortable and less intimidating.
@northofthecity21 Before you lowered your bike, were you able to put both feet down halfway? I mean, the only part of your feet that won't touch the ground are the ankles. I can ride like this without any problems, but there's no way I will ride it if I'm
tiptoeing . I saw a video of a midget that would get off his bike and stand every time he came to a stop.
@@nr3157 I was able to put both feet down half way but I wanted a bit more contact for extra confidence. Since I almost never put my right foot down on stops, perhaps I could have lived without the modification but I can tell for backing up and stopping at uneven pavement, it's given me a lot more confidence. Now I don't have to worry about picking the right spot to stop.
❤🎉 can we be friends, I'm also a bike girl, you sound interesting.
I have owned this incredible machine since 20. Got it new. in 35 years of riding, the best machine ever. I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE my DCT. By now, I know how it thinks, how it behaves and she talks to me as I ride. DCT is a smart transmission that learns your riding habits. Honda did a superb job on it. This DCT is not for everyone....period. I will never go back to manual. Honda will never stop the DCT. I am betting on it.
My friend bought this model and rode it for 20,000 miles, before trading it for a Triumph Tiger 1200. Now, every time we ride, he comments on how much he misses the GoldWing. It had a lot more wind protection, comfort and tech. For a tourer, it can't be beat.
My friend did something very similar. He whinges so much now we are actually thinking of helping him sell his bike so he can get a gold wing again.
It can be, depends on what your expectation of a touring motorcycle.
A Honda for a triumph????????!!!!!!
What a bad idea ngl, the goldwing is a forever-bike
Awesome review! I have a 2023 Honda GL1800 now three months. I absolutely love my motorcycle. I have so much fun on it and it’s so amazing.
Love mine. Took it to the Pyrenees, was never slower than other bikes in the windy bits, the drag there was so easy, and the brakes are simply stunning. Keeper.
Because the others riders were slow.
Told you it was good - spot on review!!
As usual, your high-spirited review has brought the video to yet another level of excitement.
I do own a '22 DCT GW and it is the most comfortable bike for long distance touring hands down. The air pocket where I sit is nicely protected and the protection alleviates the rider from road stress quite a bit.
In the front, if you do want some wind, you can pop up the air-vent foil (on the top of the dash) to direct a gentle amount of wind into your face.
Besides the joy of riding provided by the linear torque, the flat-6 does protrude out slightly and prevents me from too much leaning when negotiating curves.
I’ve been riding for many years on many bikes. One thing I’ve learned about using DCT (Africa Twin) is that’s it’s a Dual Clutch Transmission, not an automatic. Using it to its full potential requires experience and skills that are unique and dissimilar to the typical automatic in a car. It would be interesting to hear if others feel the same.
Agree with u and also the reason why i changed back to a manual after only owning a dct for a short time. Im not pretending to be an expert at manual but slow speed with dct is horrible (for me) i couldnt get used to not having a clutch to feather. On my manual i can just clutch/throttle/rear break and do slow speed traffic all day, on a dct all i could do was put my foot down. I know its a me problem and i know people get good at dct slow speed, but if u go into dct thinking its easy or easier, not for slow speed it is..
But you can still use the rear brake with the dct for slow speed stuff isnt that right?
But agree. My buddy and me tried the nt1100 with dct and it was a very weird and rough transmission for low speed. And touring mode lets the engine lug to hell and back. Even when going uphill and giving lots of throttle it would just stay in 5th and vibrate like mad
In sport mode it didn't wanna shift, just rev and rev
I've own a NC750X dct 2022 model, and I find it great, if slow speed os a problem, then try putting it on manual mode for those tight u turns and yes you van use the rear brake.
My better half bought a Rebel 1100 with DCT, which i sorta gained. Changing gears with the paddles makes it much more fun to ride, and I added a Vance n Hines which woke it up considerably. The DCT in Auto "Standard" or "Rain" mode definetely seeks gears too eatly, and even in these modes you can paddle shift. In "Sports" manual mode it's hilarious!
Most DCTs have a learning electronic control unit. My wife drives my DCT turbo car a lot, and funny enough it shifts like a grandmother (which she is) is driving it in normal mode. Sports mode remembers how I drive it. Every so often I get in it, select normal mode, and rip the crap out of it. Use the paddle shifters, use the gear shift and generally just mess with the "learning" aspect. It stops it from basically defaulting to eco mode in everything it does. Because left in normal mode, and driven conservatively, that's exactly what happens. It ends up driving like it's in eco. Which is the most uninspiring drive for a hot turbo hatch. That learning aspect is super annoying. It leads to symptoms that feel like a major gearbox problem, but turns out it's just confused after she's driven it for week, and I drive it just once. A good thrashing for 20 mins, and it seems to completely change characteristic again. I had a mate ride the DCT Honda and proclaim it utter shit. Said it just tries to get to 6th gear every time he accelerated. So uninspiring. I asked if he tried different modes. Didn't get a coherent answer. Just more "Honda are shit, my KTM with 11 quadrillionty HP is so much better blah blah" comments.
I test rode this in 2018 when it first came out. I'm a shorter guy with the inseam of a Hobbit. it was extremely manageable and has only gotten better in the past few years.
Had a 2014 CTX700 dct. It was fine, but he DCT was a bit rough, and the bike was underpowered for it's weight. The goldwing took all the lessons there and made it great.
I did end up getting the rebel 1100 DCT in the interim (until I win the lottery or whatnot). The DCT on it is excellent, and the manual versions do really well too.
Great video lots of great informative points.
Thanks for the review, love this mo’er cycle. Can’t wait till I can twist the thro’l.
There's lots to like about the new Goldwing, but it's not for everyone. 800+ lbs is a lot, even if much of it is down low. Also there's lots of great bikes out there for much less cost.
I own a BMW R-1150-RS which can best be described as a Sport-Tourer. It has a quarter-fairing that isn't so massive that I can't lower the windscreen to increase the breeze on a hot day. I have BMW System Cases that carry a lot, but are readily removable for when they're not needed. ABS with Linked solenoid assisted brakes have always provided more braking than I've ever needed. It's seat is height-adjustable and comfortable for all-day rides. At 545 lbs it handles well on twisting back roads, and the motor has plenty of torque and HP. I bought it for $5,500 Cdn used 3 years ago with super low mileage. (This is my second R-1150-RS). It's been totally reliable, and easy to do all the routine maintenance on. The newer BMW's offer lots of options such as quick shifting transmissions and shift-cam engines, typically for significantly less than a Goldwing, unless you opt for their 6-cyinder models. Point is there's lots of great options that can bring you joy, whether its backroad blasting, or crossing the continent.
Loved it thanks 🥰😍
Love my 22 Ultra Blue DCT Tour Airbag. The Lexus of motorcycles. Gets up and goes from the stop. Sport mode is another level. It’s a big bike. But it’s really grand.
Great review. I have the 2023 DCT Tour. Minor note there is a Goldstrike riding peg that sits in a great spot for long legs. You're right about the weight all sitting super low; incredible how manageable it is for the weight. I'd also highlight how dramatic a change the riding modes are with the DCT. In Sport it stays low in the gears and high in the revs way longer than you'd anticipate and really wants to run.
Where is this factory highway peg??
@@Big-Si2253 Good catch. Mine is Goldstrike. Looks factory tho 👍 Sits just outboard and below about the center of the engine. The pads are available in big pad, small pad, and actual peg. Thanks for the correction.
I'm a long time GW owner of the previous model. Can't wait to upgrade to this latest model. Saving up for it because yes, it's pricy.. but also definitely worth it. 15 years on V-twin cruisers before I went to the GW and these Hondas are just so comfortable with the performance I don't miss the V-twin as much. Go and ride one and you'll see. But the BIG difference is in any distance ride. Vastly reduced riding fatigue.
I had got the 2024 Goldwing Tour have had it 3 weeks and the past few days been too cold to ride. but its worth the Price
It’s never too cold to ride, man up
Nice video keep up the good work
I pull a massive camper with mine and outran a Harley while doing it. This thing is awesome. I also have a R1250GS, but for trips over 100 miles or with my wife, it's the Goldwing!
Hi there,
I've been riding a '16 plate GSA since 2018, done 3 Iron Butt 1000 miles and ride all year.
I'm f511 tall and I often have to stand up on the pegs due to bad knees / back...
Is the Goldwing riding position acceptable compared to a GS?
I assume you can't really stand up ?...
In advance, many thanks for your time.
@@EssexCountyPhoto on my 2015 i can stand up when i need a stretch & to feel the wind. i know its the old goldwing body style but i rode my father's 2021 and i felt that i could do the same. if that helps.
@@EssexCountyPhoto The GS is way more confortable for the legs than the Goldwing and the K1600.
I’m in a BMW motorcycle club. 90% are GS and some are also owner of a K1600. 100% of them go whit their GS for long road trip, and keep their K1600 for a day ride.
*"The Beast."* waiting for the next stem to stern re-do especially as how great the last time this was done how well executed upon.
On the DCT: it is brilliant but takes a lot of practice to master on a bike this size. Rain mode for in town and slow speed gives you the finesse to feel confident. If you do a test ride in Sport mode you may miss experiencing what is an exceptional motorbike that doesn't get the credit it deserves for being able to commute and tour all year round, in both comfort and style, with luggage.
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❤🎉 can we be friends, I'm also a bike girl, you sound interesting.
I LOVEEEEEE my GL Tour 2022 Manuel. It's just amazing.
I mean, what's not to like? My first bike was a 1978 GL1000 and boy did I love it.
amen brother i have high way pegs on my 21 wing DCT how you think it compares to bmw k1600 GT ?
Great review, interesting comment on test riding a Goldwing , as a K1600GT owner I seriously considered purchasing a Goldwing DCT however locating a Honda dealer who actually has a DCT equipped Wing I could test ride has proved to be extremely difficult (if not impossible), I even contacted Honda UK and asked for their assistance in locating a dealer who had a DCT Wing I could road test, they didn't even bother replying, so have now abandoned the idea which is a shame as I really quite like the idea of owning a DCT equipped Wing.
Dobles in Coulsden have demo Goldwings, in fact they're the best GW dealer by far.
@@andrewkitchenuk Thanks for the tip, I will get in touch with them.
Don't know where you live, but Bridge Motorcycles in Exeter have a Tour DCT on demo
Same here in Belgium. It’s very difficult to get a test ride on a Goldwing, so I went for a K1600 GTL, while there’s 15 K1600 available for test ride.
3 years after I bought the BMW, I finally get a test ride on a Goldwing. It was a very bad experience as that Goldwing DCT Tour was a crap. So I still need to test a good state Goldwing.
I have the 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT and it is a fantastic bike. This is the bike I use for long distance travel and it is very comfortable. I camp send I get all the gear I need in the top box and side boxes. Two negatives are range and CarPlays inability to work without a helmet comm. I use a comm so that’s not the problem but on long rides the battery dies and then CarPlay fails. I also have the 2021 GS Adventure and its tank capacity is fantastic. I would love the gauge to be all digital. Analog is useless anymore.
Try using a bluetooth dongle (I think in the top box of the Tour bikes and in the left saddlebag of non Tours there is another usb connection) It fools the bike into thinking it is connected to a headset. If you use carplay for mostly navigation it works well.
@@Big-Si2253 that could work. I’ll give it a try. Thanks
Every bike has its pluses and minuses. The goldwing dct is no exception. Unbelievable comfort and technology that comes to forefront especially on trips. Going for a morning coffee or going around cones in a parking lot are IMO two of its compromises.
looks more integrated than version before, love it
First of all get a protection plate for the oil filter stud on the gearbox. The casting is really thin there, and a stone shot up by the front wheel will break off the stud, and demand a whole new engine case costing $17,000 to replace... That's the biggest problem with GW from 2018 to 2022...
Would like to own the newest gen Wing but oh the $'s. Appreciated your review!!!
Only Motobo could make me want to actually ride a Goldwing 😅
I don't see any changes between my 2018 DCT and the 23 model. The software was upgraded at the last service so am I missing anything else?
I personally love the "sled" profile but then I never have a pillion.
How beautifull is goldwing without that tower on the rear.
There are hwy peg options but not cheap.
We’re in the market for a touring bike. Just spent an entire day checking out EVERY brand. Long day but well worth it.
Wife’s perspective as the passenger, hands down GW the most comfortable.
6’1” 34” inseam ‘driver’ w/ long arms…bars are WAY forward and WAY low.
$800 for new bars will fix the bars issue.
Going with the GW.
;)
I like my new goldwing! Good choice
I wonder if you can buy the flat 6 decal that’s on the side of the engine?
I bought a 2019. Driven for two years and I sold it. Very ordinary. The reputation is well established.
Very. Nice. Jusr got a 2005. Honda GoldWing. 1800 and love it!! Alan. From. Iowa
Sorry it's a 2006
Which Quadlock mount are you using? I've only seen RAM mount hybrids that put the phone way too high.
We always have our mind on Number 3 😎
Absolute beast of a bike, If you enjoy riding at speed, mine is manual, reviewer is spot on.... If all out comfort is a priority you will need to get a better seat. and some foot pegs. Year 2 for me and 6K later.
I like the speedo and tach being analog gauges with the TFT in the middle. Works for me…but it’s expensive. Guess I’ll keep my 2011 Harley Ultra Ltd.
Amazing machine.
It seems like the 7 speed DCT tour is the way to go.
More then enough bike for 300M weekend getaways.
I plan to buy dc version as my first bike ;)
MB .. what crash helmet is that , you are wearing ?
Enjoyed the review ,👍
i would like to see it stacked up against the k1600 GA Bmw..
😊 Safe riding
In indonesia this goldwing price is around 1 billion rupiah, i wonder how much price of goldwing dct tour if its release in indonesia
I like the Goldwing. I would not buy it, but I like it.
The silhouette of engine and chassis looks amazing. I want a naked version
I’ve had my 2019 since 2020 and would say you have most correct, I would comment that 220-250 miles is a more realistic regular range, which is what I see from mine
The only criticism I can give is the luggage volume for such a large motorcycle and the price, otherwise it’s near on touring perfection. , and easily the finest motorcycle I have ever owned or ridden.
Nothing else gets close
You must be riding in sport mode only...
@@nickaleksandrov6613 hardly ever use sport mode tbh, it’s just too much, I do use manual mode in twisties or mountain roads
@@UltimateDazzle « Nothing else get close ».
The K1600 is the sporty big Touring motorcycle while the Goldwing is the most confortable.
So, yes an other motorcycle get close or do better in a different way.
definitely a reverse mode should always be present in a big bike category, because of there enormous weight not that easy to push back...
Great bike, especially ther 'bagger'. I have a proper reverse on my trike, a Can-Am F3-S. I also have four two-wheelers. Ridiculously expensive sunglasses in that advert. Nick J
They need to offer it in some nice metallic colors.Those matte finishes make a beautiful motorcycle look cheap.
The bags/cases are stuck on the bike so you can’t take them into your motel room so naked trips out to the bike to get your clean undies are something you have to get used to
I’ve a K1600 GTL and took my cases in my room until the rain came up and the cases were totally dirt. So I bought the inner bags and do not remove anymore the cases on road trip. Even in camping mode.
I want a goldwing so bad but I know it will ruin any other motorcycle for me. I've been putting a lot of miles on my ADV390 but I'm always tinkering trying to make it a little more comfortable and suitable for distances
i have an ADV160, also my first bike and i dream of riding a goldwing
Perfect touring bike... Would like to complement my Crossrunner when I tour with wifey
here in my country you have to pay USD$95K.. the tax is 200% from the original price so its become so more expensive
Where'd you bought your helmet?
One day 🙌🏿
song at 00:40?
A Honda version of the Tracer 9 GT+ with the DCT would be awesome.
They make one, but only available in Europe - NT1100. It even has CarPlay
The K1600 GT have the Shifter Pro and is sporty as the Tracer 9 GT.
Thank you so much for this video you did. Can you help me get my message below to Honda Motorcycles? Reaching them has proved shockingly impossible for me though I'm still trying.
While I'm not yet a GW owner/rider...yet, I'm certainly in love with the GW, especially the DCT-Tour. Recently I've come across two problems that unsuspecting GW riders have been contending with and I want to know if Honda can mitigate these two problems through future design modifications.
Problem number one is the eventual premature failure of the DCT clutch system experienced by riders who continuously ride the GW DCT-Tour at low enough speeds to have the clutch engage/disengage (and what lies in between this) actuation repeat itself too frequently to its early destruction. I hope Honda will educate future buyers of the GW DCT-Tour about this type of clutch-wrecking riding style since such damage will not be covered by warranty. What I would like to know as a potential buyer is "Can/will Honda be able to modify the DCT system to overcome this inherent weakness of being overworked at the slow speed regimes involving the engage/disengage engine speeds of 1,000 to 1,500 rpm range (am I correct about that rpm range)?"
Problem number two is the premature wearing-out of the front shock absorber's bumper due to how close the shock absorbing strut gets/stays when weight (of rider or more) is placed on the bike...there just isn't any useful strut-travel space left. I see too many complains about the shocks being too soft and hitting the bumper too much, too frequently unless the roads are blemish-free.
I'm worried that in my part of the world (Nigeria) where tarred roads of developed urban areas are 90% riddled with bump-rich blemishes and heavy, crawl-pace traffic jams are a daily challenge, owning a GW DCT-Tour will be incredibly costly in terms of repeated front strut bumper and clutch replacements. What is Honda doing about these unresolved issues?
I need to know if anyone knows whether the NeoWing is gonna be made, and made for the US markets.
it’s June of 2024, and i’m about to trade in my 2006 for a 2018 DCT Tour Airbag, and I can’t wait to get it !!!!…thx for the video, but you didn’t have to sell me
That's a bike you buy if you stay at Hilton Hotels when you go touring. Not really a bikers bike. It's a two wheeled cruise liner.
here in my country, IDR 1.050.000.000 or 62.707 euro only for basic variant 💸
so it's basically honda goldwing or honda civic. the latter has 2 extra wheels for stability and a roof. the first is kinda fun. tough choice.
Stretching the legs , killed this bike for me
As an American watching this video it is just stressful seeing you on the opposite side of the road all the time. I keep having to remind myself you are supposed to be there and aren't in danger of being smashed by an oncoming truck at every corner lol
The big question is.. how is the low speed handling/sharp turn maneuvering on a DCT version according the non-DCT version? Did he mention it? If yes, sorry did not pay attention then 😊
About android auto, dude. Very important, don't leave out.
I've owned the GW Tour model for 2 years now. It is the best bike I have ever owned, ride wise... That being said I HATE the DCT and wished I had not purchased the DCT model. A full on Slipper Clutch setup would have been much better. I have wrecked the bike 3 times and all due to no clutch... I have ridden the bike from GA to VT and Back as well as other extended rides. I am so used to the Clutch (and own other bikes) that I am gun shy when it comes to taking out the GW. This DCT is very dangerous IMO... all it takes is a mistake like wanting to rev the engine and your done for. When I come to stops I have to actively remind myself to take my hand off of the throttle... on long rides where you are used to a clutch it is just second nature to pull in that clutch and when it's not there and you are tired... well it's a problem. I've had issues where it jerks when I am slowing down due to bumps or whatever and you speed up as it throws you back in the saddle and there is nothing you can do. Overall bad design.. .there should be a clutch.
Second biggest issue with the GW is its AirPlay or Android connectivity.. its garbage... I dont even use it as it requires a headset which I never use. Tried everything to trick it into thinking I had a headset and nothing works. Even tried using a headset and it just connects and then disconnects and then connects again... it's just not worth the aggravation of connecting it to anything.. I just use my phone in a cradle. It's one more thing you're going to spend 30 minutes on trying to get working prior to leaving on your trip.
Third... It's not as comfortable as everyone says. I'm 5'11" 210lbs. and find on long rides that due to the tilt of the seat my balls are crushed up against the tank and eventually I find myself sitting on them, which is very uncomfortable. If they would have leaned the seat back a little I dont think this would happen. The seat is also not plush or comfy in any way... It's a Motorcycle Seat and your ass is going to get sore after an hour, no matter what. I've watched a ton of videos on replacing the seat and not one has convinced me that a 1 to 2 grand upgrade on the seat is worth it.
But like I said, overall it's a great bike and I will probably sell this one and pick up one with a clutch.
Go to a harley
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I can not believe, how did you manage to get only 200 miles from a fuel tank? What were you doing? Racing at top speed or what? This is a touring bike and if you are riding normally, you can get an easy 300 miles... This is my 3rd Goldwing and this is the most fuel-efficient bike ever made. I've even managed to achieve 3.9 liters per 100km...520 km from a 21-liter tank... Riding this within the speed limit is unmatchable with any bike with half of its engine capacity and weight...
GoldWing for bikes is what Rolls-Royce is for cars.. no need to explain why or compare it with anything else. When you think of touring bikes, everyone says GoldWing. It's ridiculous to call it a "great touring bike", it''s THE touring bike.
A Rolls Royce 😂😂😂
I really love the GW, but it’s way far to come close to a Rolls Royce finition. I will more likely say a Mercedes Classe E, and the K1600 an Audi RS6.
And for sure, Trail bikes are more comfortable for long ride with a better legs position and long travel suspensions. I hate to admit that as I don’t like Trail motorcycle and prefer the GW or the K1600 with a little advantage for the GW.
@@cyclotronbxl Well its not close to RR in prestige, price, finish etc., I'm just saying that if its the most comfortable tourer than it represents in bike world what RR is in the car world..
How tall are you? When you're sat on it it doesn't seem the massive bike my mind has made it out to be. I'm 5'10.
Had a 2021 Goldwing Bagger from new, covered 12k miles. I agree slow manoeuvres can be tricky, use rain mode makes it easier. You can do full lock slow turns with it. In sports mode it’s fantastic with 170nm torque at 4800 revs. Off the mark your an feel the front wheel very neatly lift. Not much can keep with it off the mark. I completed Rospa Gold and IAM 1st on this bike so is capable. You can get it over around bends and it is planted. This is a one off bike nothing like it, not even a K1600 which feel agricultural compares to the Wing. I never could see me buying one, but love the bagger version as it’s like a sports tourer. The main grip is no auto suspension available for the bagger version. You need to manually turn the very restrictive pre load by hand that has 34 clicks. Comes standard set to 11 clicks which is for a 11st person I am 15st and got it set to 22 for a more performance setting which doesn’t bottom out over bumps. I am looking for a second bike, my current bike makes it a tough tasks because it’s so good. Safe riding 👍🏼
I wish the bagger had a heated seat. Where I live we get if we are lucky a 6 and sometime 7 month riding season and both ends of it can be quite cool. Most of my riding is by myself and have not the need for the trunk plus I do not wish to pay for something I do not need in order to have a warm caboose. Otherwise I have demoed both the bagger and the tour, with and without the DCT and both are very nice - I'd buy the DCT and the bagger (with a heated seat)....were it available. Currently ride a challenger but at 71 I really could use a reverse hear to help manage the mass which the challenger does not have.
« K1600 which feel agricultural compare to the Wing ».
This is clearly a cognitive biais. It’s like saying: the Audi RS6 feel agricultural compare to the Mercedes Classe S.
Very true, it depends what you want in a tourer. If you want ultra confinement and smoothness go for the Wing, if you want a bit more of an aggressive tourer to go faster than 115mph go for the K1600B. Following the test rides I went for the refinement, but is of course subjective
The prices of these touring bikes absolutely astound me
Have you seen the price of a HD CVO £38,000 PLUS
These have been made almost 50 years.
You can find them used around $3k too.
Does it come with reverse?
Did you watch the video?
Got bored in less than 2 minutes?
How is this bike for short riders? I'm 5'3.5
I'm 5'8" and the wide seat means I'm almost tippy towing at the lights. The weight is super low so you can balance with one foot but 5'3.5" might be a stretch. Once moving it is obviously a dream so you would be fine but sit on a stationary one and balance it. It is great but it is also one hell of a lump.
21 liters that's turns out to be 5.5 gallons that's a lot for a bike. My 06 SV 650 has a 4.5 gallon tank and I love it and my 2019 grom has 1.45 gallons.
I have only been riding for 18 months, but I want to start touring.
Am I too green to ride a beast like a Goldwing?
YES
@@Frank-xo7zj Thanks for your honesty.
My dream bike.....
I don't care what people say...
But why Honda not make the new CTX 1300 ????
That blue screen is so "DVD player from early 2000"
Bike is great but panniers/hard bags are laughable and seen bigger handbags so bit pathetic for 2 up long tours. Suspension is great but makes the ride a bit stale as it doesn't give the feedback so is trade off for being smooth. On sport mode is good and can hustle along but not impressive if your used to maybe sport tourers. Is a great bike but a bit flat line as does it all good but just a bit vanila or plain I thought. The dash is great though and loads of information and easy to see what you need.
I do laugh everytime I think of the pannier bags and trying to get 10 to 14 days worth of touring essentials for 2 people on it though. Honda really dropped the ball with that for me, but each to own :)
Great review. We happen to like these bikes alot. ;)
40 years of riding and yet I still loathe these bikes with a passion. The folk who ride these ( and I’ve met many) don’t seem to really get motorcycling.
😂😂😂
The space on the 2018-2020 is the worst. My aftermarket Givi luggage on my Zero is better. I jumped from 1988 to my 2019 so the power increase was definitely substantial and noticed. But the luggage on the 1500 is like comparing a tugboat to the RMS Titanic.
Do you get benelli trk 502 in UK
Steady manageable creep. Think I've been described as that before
Luggage Top case was updated in 2022 not 2021. GPS Sucks, I've replace the factory Windscreen with a F4 Customs Windshield that is far better. The Rest is just superbe. Oh! the lightning on this at night. WOW!
Why would use Honda GPS if you can use Carplay or Android Auto with Waze? I am using it and there is no better option. Here in Australia GW comes without the GPS and nobody is missing it... Most of the car's GPS's are rubbish... My wife has a Mazda CX5, top of the range and to use the GPS... is #$@%^!
@@nickaleksandrov6613 Yup! I use Car Play 100% of the time
If you can afford it, just get it. The best full size touring bike on the planet, bar none.
Just joking good video 😁
The Goldwing is not only grand, it's 29 grand.
You missed the rear suspension
If the money is the same, at this point I'm buying the used Honda b4 that thing. without mentioning the early Kia styling.
"Listen to it sing" ... never stops talking..
I've had mine for 3 months / 4000km now. Buying it was a mistake. Feels like a big scooter. Supreme comfort with zero emotion. Wish I had bought the K1600 or R1250RT that I also tried.
I hate the DCT and went to the K1600 GTL, which is also more sporty.
How you can ride with that helmet I’ve owned ruroc 2/3/4 and all they are crap, never going back to this brand.
I thought about getting one of those gold wings Honda won't let you test ride one. So I bought the Harley instead