God the surreal existential dread I just experienced from watching this video and in the middle of my viewing getting a news notification of another mass shooting that killed over a dozen people. It's moments like that that make me actually understand the inacation on this issue because how do people keep fighting for change through this absolutely paralyzing horror. I can almost sympathize with the people who'd watch this movie because obviously it's easier to watch an action fantasy where anyone can be a hero rather than confront the issue head on and let go of that imaginary world they'd rather live in.
which is why it found its way in your feed. Lots of people did, regardless of where they stand on the issue, regardless whether they are subbed to her and watch her regularly. Think about it.
@@kaleidoscopicvoid I literally started watching the video before the shooting occurred. It happened as I was watching the video. Trust me when I say the two things are only coincidentally linked
@@kaleidoscopicvoid Still, the so-called "criticism" of this movie is nothing else than deluded, ideologically fixated hate and harassment. Alsp, normal people know perfectly well that BOTH right- and left-extremists are responsible for the rampant mass shootings in USA, while your dear propaganda channel CNN lie like pigs about it every time the mass shooter turns out to be a left extremist. It is absolutely disgusting.
The joke at the end of the video is extra-funny two years later because Ben Shapiro's video about _Barbie_ was so cringe-worthy that some conservatives online accused him of being paid by "the Left" to make conservatives look bad
Ben Shapiro: "We're trying to make edgy and entertaining films that aren't trying to brainwash you every step of the way." *two seconds later "We can't win the culture war, if we're not competing for the people we are attempting to reach." Nice one, Ben. You maybe want to go back and do a second draft so you're a little less transparent? "Oh yeah we're not trying to brainwash you, we're just trying to get people to believe what we want them to believe."
THIS is what makes dealing with conservatives so frustrating. They constantly tell us what their intentions are but when they get called out on it they lie and we're all supposed to act like we didn't watch them say or do exactly what they said or did. It's maddening.
Imo the left and right uses different definitions for different things, they speak 2 different languages, when you hear a conservative like Ben speak and say what he did it’s contextually true to a conservative, he doesn’t want to influence you politically but change how things are culturally. What a leftist hears is they are hypocritical, out of touch liars. Well, the truth is somewhere in the middle. He isn’t making movies to push political ideals but culture and politics are closely intertwined. So what he says seems hypocritical. Conservatives are out of touch in the context of why some people insist on making things more complicated and nuanced yet can’t or will not be objective when applying the same nuanced way of thinking in what they say. As for them Being liars, everyone is to some degree from a politically bias way of thinking. The issue is when someone is being intellectually dishonest for their political views and I notice this on the left in terms of the way culture is going.
@@saltyark7564 I agree with the first in that Leftists and Conservatives have different contextual understanding of certain words. I can even agree that sometimes that means people on the left and right misunderstand each other's arguments and definitely agree that when two representatives of their belief's debate, both sides can leave thinking that one person "destroyed" the other in the marketplace of ideas. Just look at Chaya Raichik's embarrassing interview. This does not then mean that the middle ground is enlightened or that the truth lies somewhere between both of these positions. Middlegrounders are just indecisive, because it's also true that both the left and right could be wrong, and the middle ground between those two, is equally wrong. Rather than doing the labor of coming up with something outside of the conversation or picking a side, the middleground is a no-man's land in terms of an informed political stance at least if the middleground is indeed your general political stance. But no in this example, I was right on the money, because what do you think happens to politics if culture is influenced? If, culturally, we all consider abortion murder, and we have movies that depict it as such, how do you think people are gonna vote on that? I agree that Ben Shapiro doesn't think about the implications of the things he says and thus these statements probably don't ring as hypocritical to him. After all, he is the same person who said if your house floods due to global warming, you should just sell it and move, to someone who would want a flooded house apparently. But this doesn't change the fact that his statement, was a dumb one, or if you prefer, an ignorant one.
@@Tiny_and_Reese I pprecite tour well mannered rebuttal, I avoided saying my political,cvjews because fakes and cons can be found in either side, but tbh, I side with policies that will help America, we need a smaller government that uses resources to catch predators and high end drug dealers we don’t need more people in prison, we need the right people in there, like some kid in the corner selling rock, it’s not a good thing but it’s not always a black and white situation. The kid doesn’t need prison, he needs more resources to succeed and less incflunces in his life pushing the ideal. I can’t say I’m conservative because I do believe an Vortion at Serra in time periods are ok, I can’t say I’m a republican becauae many of them promote war, I’m not a Democrat, they push policies that sound good to get elected and I’m not a progressive, I’m not libertarian I’m an American who cares about America getting her chest together ya know? Middle ground a person. Ay say, but no I have sr Trang feelings on some policies, both liberal type and conservative Ypres. Not the wishy way some are portrayed.
@@Tiny_and_Reese I appreciate your response, I disagree the middle ground is indecisive though. I don’t find politics spiritually fulfilling. I know my beliefs but I try not to force them on others. Hence I’m considered the middle ground because I try to understand both sides of the argument, even ones I disagree with vehemently I try to understand their pov, it doesn’t mean I agree with them in any way, but I like to know their thought process ya know?
The most ironic part of this whole thing to me is that if this movie was distributed by the "woke left hollywood," they'd make fun of it for having a female lead who acts "badass" and "cringy." But since they made that movie, it's conservative and compelling
It’s ironic too that the left aren’t praising this movie as progressive for doing those things, just because it’s produced by ‘the bad guys’. Double standards are the cornerstone of almost any ideology
The goal of many Hollywood movies is for them to push leftist ideology onto people, and many of them don't hide that fact. So, why is it ok for them to do it, but then suddenly wrong when conservatives do it? Could it be that you don't actually care about the action whatsoever, you only care about whos doing it? And since its more of a whisper or not-so-secret secret in Hollywood, its easier to act like its NOT happening there? That, and the fact that you're probably a liberal/leftist yourself. so you support certain actions as long as the people performing the action are people you agree with, but then you put your hypocrite crocs on and act like the same action is terrible when the people doing it are people you DONT agree with.
“If we don’t get involved in the culture war how are we going to win the political war?” is such a tell. If we talk policies, the right generally loses. Medicaid is popular, public school funding is popular, less educational debt is popular, repealing Citizens United is popular…
The fact that they made the main character a woman with a black love interest to avoid accusations of sexism and racism all while bitching about "woke" Hollywood is so funny to me, this movie is ideologically indistinguishable from most action movies but Daily Wire viewers need to feel counter culture I guess
EXACTLY dude they complain about any type of representation in movies but then in a desperate attempt to prove they're not bigots they pull shit like this. "I swear our organization/community founded on bigotry isn't racist or sexist! We're definitely homophobic tho frick the gays"
It really is laughable. As another commenter pointed out, the problem with "wokeness" in modern TV isn't the politics, it's the pandering. It's totally natural for the main character's love interest to be black, but not when it's there to check a box, ESPECIALLY when those boxes were made by conservatives who would turn right around and criticize "woke" Hollywood for doing exactly the same.
That's what I was saying. It's still a misplaced Individualist War Hero story given the topic, & the cast being diverse doesn't make it more okay. They're still doing what woke producers do.
I think the way Shapiro talks about the film is the most telling thing. He refers to a "culture war" and acts like all films in Hollywood are made with an agenda, *because he can't conceive of any other reason to create something.* It's not about art for art's sake. And that's why his art sucks. There are so many creatives in Hollywood who make films because they *adore* the art form, and that love comes through clearly. there are also many in Hollywood who create for money, or are constrained by studio demands based on profitability, and that's how we get some truly shitty films. But Shapiro creates to "win the culture war," and that's why his art will never be anything but mediocre.
I think hollywood is more "Art for money's sake." People are encouraged to make are they care about, yes - but only so long as they remember that their artistic ambition is not the goal, merely a means towards that goal: Return on investment.
Conservatives always have to declar war on something. War on terror, war on drugs, war on crime, war on immigration, culture war... and the usual wars with other countries. It's never a dialogue, a sharing of ideas. It's a struggle, a battle, something they have to *win* or else they lose something in turn.
"Art for art's sake" is a statement of defiance against leftists pointing out that art is inherently political. The director basically paraphrases "art for art's sake" at 20:52.
4:01 I love that. Ben Shapiro accusing others of only judging movies based on their politics. He _only_ judges other movies based on their politics, constantly decrying holywood as being "woke", whatever he thinks that means
There’s such a weird tonal dissonance with the ‘serious’ framing of a movie about a girl running around the school fighting mini bosses like it’s a video game
"We're so sick of movies with all these politics in them..." "Btw, our entire goal is to convince people to be Conservative through our movies... I see nothing wrong when we do it at all."
That’s just the line they use in all their grifting. People like Ben Shapiro hate “Hollywood” because they couldn’t make it. It’s very interesting when you see how all these grifters all come from some failed creative background and lash out with … bad propaganda movies that are very unsuccessful.
@@SharkFishFace Yeah. Ben Shapiro used to try to make it into the writer's room of several shows, and he is also a mediocre classically trained violinist and singer. Obviously an abundance of people try and fail, and go on to do something different and that is completely fine, but it is truly peculiar that there seems to exist some kind of pipeline from failed creative to political pundit.
@@KattReen You know the funniest part about it? His parents were Hollywood big shots. Which means that he was so bad at screen writing that he couldn’t even keep a job with the connections he had.
As a flight attendant no one ever remembers me unless they have perceived me as rude. No matter how far and beyond I go - people only ever comment when things go wrong. Thank you for making me feel seen.
honestly that commentary made me want to check out clerks. i got a "real job" as a convenience store clerk just a few mo's ago. though it's not the type of job where i can sit around and waste time. but being one of many invisible blips on hundreds of people's radars every day, up to the point that you make life harder for them, is *such* an experience. there are quite literally millions of us yet i don't remember that part of our lives being discussed frankly like this in media
I still remember a convenience store clerk when I was about 12 years old. I don't know what was special about her but my father also said he should call the owner to tell how amazing she was. And that was 30 years ago
What I personally find bewildering is that the movie that arguably kicked off the hardcore 1-man-army style action movie genre as we think of it, Rambo: First Blood has the exact OPPOSITE message. Rambo, as a character, is ALWAYS considered tragic. He is someone who just wants to live somewhere by himself so he doesn’t have to use the skills he developed. He is haunted by the inconcievable number of lives he has taken, and even TO THIS DAY that remains true. Like, the entire point of those movies is that killing strips you of your humanity. It hollows out your very soul, and thats something that has largely been lost, I think, on the audiences that consume them.
And the other film that codified the tropes, Die Hard, is about a relatively normal guy who is repeatedly shown to be in way over his head, barely survives, and spends the vast majority of the film hiding and trying to get help from people who are more qualified to deal with this.
Rambo was the first American movie which taught me how messed up the country is. The dude got arrested for basically walking and having no home. Like, WTF? Country of freedom? What?
I get the impression that the film language these people were trying to draw upon by showing the protagonist being able to coldly kill the shooters is a transposed “final girl” archetype. But, like you said, they treat a child like a soldier, not a child.
It’s definitely a warped version of the final girl archetype. Specifically the third act badass where the girl has been through hell and back, and is now ready to fight to stay alive. Note that archetype is all about her just trying to get out of the situation by going through it, and only happens when literally everything else has failed. Also it’s usually the sign that the final girl has snapped so it’s not really the starting point for a character.
@@metronicmagician1816yeah, i actually thought that this schoolgirl's ridiculous willingness to shed blood pretty much at the drop of a hat was a really good character trait. a scriptwriter who actually knew what he was doing might have played it up as a character flaw on her part.
That and the fact that an interesting form of trauma is created + displayed throughout the movie. Most likely they just copy-pasted the character traits of a bitter and war-traumatized soldier onto a girl and called it a day (gag), but as a storywriter/scriptwriter myself I saw a massively interesting point they could've addressed but actively chose not to. A lot of Americans have been scarred by at least one major mass-shooting (mostly indirectly but for some directly). This can cause a lot of desensitization compared to onlookers who witness the current situation we're struggling with. Americans are much more willing to address violence with violence. So they show a child being forcibly put into an extremely dangerous and traumatic situation for her to react with violence. That makes sense. Yet, they never address how awful this direction she personally took is. Despite making her look heroic and satisfied, she's now going to deal with the aftermath of a life filled with PTSD and possibly derealization issues. A future aftermath they don't show. We love to glorify the moment where we stand victorious over adversity yet we never acknowledge the issues that come with the traumatic incident. The same issues happen with veterans. We love to praise them. We love to glorify. We love to thank them and bask in the riches we acquire from countries we wage wars with. Yet, we leave them homeless. We refuse to offer them adequate mental healthcare. We never address what comes after the return. It's awful. They COULD have addressed these issues with trauma/ignoring the downsides or traumas that come with fighting these issues yet they decided to follow the status quo. Glorify the person willing to sacrifice themselves. Feed them to the wolves when you realize they've been mentally destabilized by the incident. It's disgusting.
I think as far as school shooter movies go, "Elephant" (2003) really nailed it. It feels mundane, none of the vignettes result in any story lines. And this accomplishes something very important in terms of realism that makes a point - these are regular kids, doing their regular daily routine, and none of it goes anywhere or ends up meaning anything. It doesn't dramatize anything. It's just cold, almost "boring" tragedy. And I think that's how a film about such a horrific phenomena should feel. We shouldn't gain any sort of story-based satisfaction. We shouldn't deify the victims. It should make us feel empty because there's nothing about this subject that should make us feel anything but horror and how tragedy can strike everyday people in everyday moments.
I think I remember hearing shapiro and co. talk about elephant as not good, but I can’t remember if it was because it “humanizes the shooters too much” (which is wrong, I barely remember them being characters at all) or because it’s not fun enough; too much of a bummer. Either explanation reveals where their priorities are.
I agree. It was so weirdly Gus Van Sant. There was no glorification. Not really much drama at all. They're all just kids lost in their worlds. Then there's that spooky scene where you watch the shooter practicing with video games. We get to watch for too long. None of the juiced out Die Hard/ cigar choming machismo.
It’s a great movie and I thought it was about the kids and their lives and how all of their interesting and unique personalities and character arks that should have decades to evolve and grow are all cut short because some cringy losers were allowed by greedy politicians and cowardly libertarian gun nuts to buy guns on the internet. It’s really a beautiful tragedy that shows how extremely tragic school shootings are without any emphasis on the shooters or the violence just the tragic loss of potential and life experience.
Seeing the movie imply how her "feeling like she was in a war" was a good thing, gives me the same disturbing feeling as when a person I know who was in the military complained to a family member that I wasn't aware of my surroundings enough, and while in public I should always be watching out for someone who'll potentially hurt me. Like, I think it's fine to encourage having a few basic practices to help keep yourself safe, but shouldn't we be striving for a society where we can actually feel safe?
It almost makes too much sense though, knowing how they see gun control. The problem isn’t that the bad guys have guns, the problem is that the „good guys“aren’t alert enough to stop them.
We had an assembly for “Rachel’s Challenge” every year in elementary school, the first time the speakers came around the messaging was all well and good: “Rachel Scott was a victim in the Columbine shooting, she always encouraged people to be kind to others, you never know what someone’s going through” etc. I remember being really moved by the assembly overall, and i was looking forward to them coming back the next year …UNTIL they finally showed up that next school year. All of a sudden their messaging turned Into “Rachel was a devout Christian who was actually psychic. she knew something bad was going to happen and predicted the exact number of casualties in her drawing of a dead flower. God and Jesus spoke to her frequently. Oh and be kind I guess.” They then passed around photo copies of the dead flower drawing/prophecy that I guess predicted the whole school shooting a d total number of casualties…for us to keep?? For some reason??? I sat there as a first or second grader SO utterly confused
Yes, yes this exactly!!! I just saw this comment, I’m so happy someone else remembers this! I remember very distinctly that during one of those assemblies the guy said she had premonitions and told her whole family she was going to die young or some shit. I remember it really well because it was the first time in my life I realized adults could be genuinely deceitful, because even though I was 11 years old, guess what: no she fucking didn’t.
I love how he oscillates between thinking that his side is "non-political" and that they need to promote conservatism. It's weird because, while most conservatives will call themselves almost anything but conservative, Shapiro always seemed to be the exception to that.
Eastwood is 92 and Kevin Sorbo literally went on prageru to talk about how Hollywood kept telling him to shut up about being Christian. When he didn't he stopped getting work. Still only have Chris Pratt
Tristan is the name of a shooter from the Netherlands from 13 years ago. I still recall this because it was one of very few mass shootings here in the Netherlands. This 'movie' is just sick.
@@ulysses58599 the entire sequel trilogy sucks balls. Not because it's woke, but because it's poorly written, poorly acted, has a bad story, and the characters have no chemistry whatsoever.
@@DIEGOSHAY Luke made a single successful shot from a fighter - a type of shot he already had experience with previously, as noted when he banters with Biggs about having made similar shots like that when piloting ships back on Tatooine, and after demonstrating that he had skill with operating shipboard weaponry previously during the Millennium's engagements with Imperial forces - after he did in fact receive basic training on how to use the Force from Obi-Wan. Limited training, but enough so that he at least understood from firsthand experience what relying on the Force is like and how to do so. And that limited training is ALL that he used for the final shot in question. He wasn't pulling off any complex Force abilities or fancy tricks. He wasn't doing anything that was beyond what his limited training taught him. He merely relied on the Force to help guide him in being successful at something he was already experienced at. So he used skills that he was previously established to have, was shown learning new skills from someone experienced in using them, and then proceeded to combine those skills for a single feat that wasn't far off from something he described having done previously. Even then, he was only able to make that shot because his allies assisted him in the battle, particularly at the climax where Vader was literally one pull of the trigger away from killing him before being ambushed by Han. He only had "zero training" if you ignore everything leading up to that moment throughout the movie. And, of course, none of that is even even taking into account the second movie, which focuses far more on his shortcomings, or the finale of the trilogy, in which those shortcomings have been tempered but are still very much present. Even still, despite his increase in experience and skill in those films, he still just barely escapes in the second and ultimately still needs to be saved in the climax of the third.
I think your take on why "woke" Hollywood movies often suck was spot on. The problem isn't progressive political ideology. It's the cynical corporate pandering lurking behind that ideology.
@@Omnywrench Just noticed this (way old) comment. If you're still listening, I would love to know what you mean by "lib". I actually, honestly don't know what stereotype you're applying to me.
@@ahobimo732 well when I say "how do you do fellow libs" I'm making a reference to the "how do you do fellow kids" meme: like that meme, I'm making a satirical jab at how corporate "wokeness" is usually little more than insincere, shallow pandering to left wing ideals like racial equality and LGBT rights, like a company selling rainbow colored merchandise while at the same time funding anti-LGBT organizations. They don't actually care about these issues, they're just trying to appeal to a demographic to get more money in the laziest way possible.
Ya know, this movie pisses me off, I was in the building a fatal school shooting took place in, and even though I escaped unharmed and in a decent headspace, I still remember the terror I felt sitting in that classroom and reading the headline "2 injured one dead".
One time I was in class and we all heard what sounded like automatic gun fire. Our teacher told us to get under our desks and there was a couple minutes where I thought “what if somebody with a gun comes in here and mows us all down” and the terror/anxiety I felt has stuck with me to this day and I will never forget it. It was only after we all found out somebody set off firecrackers in the metal trash can outside our class’ door, that was when the anxiety subsided. That feeling of helplessness is traumatic to say the least
Learning about Shapiro’s failures as a screenwriter recontextualizes all his “Hollywood hates the Right” schtick. No Ben, they just hated you. You don’t have to make it everyone else’s problem too.
re: the warrior ethos - the iliad is one of my favorite books and i couldn’t help but think about it as you talked about the warrior ethos and zoe killing tristan. it reminded me of achilles killing hector in book 21, except the iliad doesn’t stop there. killing hector doesn’t “fix” achilles, it just means hector’s dead. it’s only when achilles finally properly mourns patroclus and lets go of his anger that he can find something like peace.
To add on to your point, killing Hector didn't just do nothing for Achilles, it made him arguably worse. He still had all the uncontrollable rage from the death of Patroclus, but no one alive to target it towards, and thus he began to parade Hector's corpse around the walls of Troy, calling out insults to the people behind those walls, aimlessly.
And replying to both of you: the Iliad was made literally thousands of years ago, yet it tells a more interesting and morally compelling story than Run Hide Fight ever tried to. I think it shows that civilisations actually accustomed to warfare and death in the public view take a much more sober approach when it comes to portraying its consequenses. I believe this movie relies on an utterly flawed understanding of what makes the warrior ethos an interesting story.
Is it just me, or does the message of this movie appear to be "Murder is actually good if the killer is one of the good guys"? That seems like the point of the ending to me.
its the idea that libertarians have (and hollywood is constantly reinforcing, as well) that vigilante jusctice is sometimes the only way. a complete disregard of the reality that if one were to ever enact vigilante justice where someone was hurt or killed, they would be absolutely an enemy of the state and hunted down. not given a handshake
I know I'm 2 years late to this video, but I want you to know how valuable and good your critique of film literacy is, and how insightful your research and thoughts are on film media. Media literacy is lost on a lot of "movie review" channels and I'm always thoroughly impressed with how much substance and care you put into your videos.
It still flabbergasts me that "Die Hard but it's a school shooting" was taken seriously enough to be put into fruition. What a horrible, horrible world we inhabit.
You just reminded me that Will Wheaton and Sean Astin once starred a film that was basically "Die Hard in a school" called _Toy Soldiers_ ... it was rightfully forgotten
What struck me was when this reviewer remarked on an "*obviously* bullet-proof window." What sort of country do you live in where school windows being bullet-proof is standard.
I can, off the top of my head, think of at least five other places I would rather have a "Die Hard but in an X" movie set. A bank. A casino. A secret underground vault. A vegan grocery store. A warehouse for a company that sells suspiciously spacious ventilation shafts. Literally *anything* that isn't "a school".
I'd actually be fine with that premise in a vacuum but when NRA-loving shitheels make the movie it kinda feels more like watching kids fight in the Colosseum they've created than actually showing innocent heroes triumphing over villains.
I dipped my toes into the "Shapiro Destroys Liberal [EPIC]" content-slop rabbit-hole and I got pretty freaked out when I stopped laughing for the right reason (read: irony). I 100% can understand how someone can get sucked into that culture, and I'm sure it wasn't easy getting out. Proud you man, and best wishes to you
I remember being told that if this happened to me- if a shooter was going around 1 by 1 killing children who answered yes to "Do you believe in Jesus" and letting the ones who said no live- that we students should all say yes and sacrifice our lives and go to heaven for Jesus. This we were told at the Catholic 'Sunday school' (CCD)
Well I mean ... Jesus did exist historically, so it's not really something you can just "not believe in". Whether or not he was literally god though is a different question.
@@parallax256 Probably. Can't be entirely certain because Jesus wasn't really well-known until long after his death, and the earliest texts are based on oral traditions. It's certainly plausible that there was a historic Jesus, a single man who started the cult that would one day become the world's most successful religion. It's even possible that he was condemned by Roman authorities after a show-trial and killed by crucifixion - such things happened quite often, first-century Judea was not politically stable and there were a number of revolts against Roman control. But there's no surviving direct record of that trial, so... who knows? Maybe, maybe not, doesn't really matter.
Bone Tomahawk is an incredibly profound movie. Like . . . the day I saw Bone Tomahawk was the last day I ate meat. I can't help but laugh when I think about the director's right-hand leaning . . . because his movie engendered in me a deeper understanding of empathy towards all living beings. It turned me into a soy-boy.
@@xBINARYGODxvegetarians definitely taste better than meat eaters. People don't eat carnivorous animals, usually only herbivores, or omnivores kept from eating animals. Eating people who eat meat can give you vitamin A poisoning.
@xBINARYGODx Probably! It's like how vegans are very tasty, that's the true reason we want others to go vegan. 100% vegan fed human, humanely raised, yum! :)
We need people, who aren't political, to make political movies with themes conservatives like. How does that man even function? He can't even speak a few sentences without contradicting himself.
That’s because you don’t understand what he’s saying. He’s saying that the content in Hollywood caters to a certain crowd which pollutes opinions in and out of the film Industry. We need people who are not motivated to prove a message, to instead apply a thought process equivalent to a logical perspective. We need people who are not politically motivated to make movies a bigger audience can enjoy. Does that make sense to you? I know he can talk a little too fast sometimes.
@darrenmorales3885 This comment is so old yet it still pisses me off so bad lmao. You're being so smug but you're literally saying nothing. Being conservative IS BEING POLITICAL lmfaoo you people are so aggravating. It's like you all just talk just to be saying something without even thinking about if what you're saying makes any fucking sense. Then try to make it seem like others are being illogical because they aren't suffering from the same level of cognitive dissonance that you all somehow categorize as "logic". It's asinine.
@@darrenmorales3885u mean ben shappy? oftentimes when someone is hard to understand when they are explaining something its because they aren’t explaining it well bc they dont know what they’re talking about. parroting info that someone else posted online actually makes it seem more so like you have no understanding of the system.
@@darrenmorales3885 If that is indeed the case then he failed. Because he would literally be doing the exact thing he's trying to fight against. Y'know, just that he's a conservative. And somehow it's okay when he does it? Lol, what does that say about you?
This is one of, if not the single best breakdowns of conservativism, Hollywood, propaganda, rhetoric, what have you I have ever seen. Absolutely outstanding work, thank you.
@@themorbidzoo I'm currently a senior in college studying these exact same trends in contemporary art and literature and the in depth analysis you give in this video is completely on par with the actual scholarship out there. This is the type of stuff I would expect from someone like Susan Sontag how are you not employed in academia?
I live in the UK, and the only time I ever hear about school shootings is when America has another one. I have to say that I agree with your assessment of the idea of making a movie such as this. It almost put me in mind of the South Park episode, where Sharon loses her shit over school shootings, and then when SP elementary has its own, she absolutely (naturally) goes bananas. All the other adults just assume she is on her period, and being over emotional. Through the episode, Sharon is continually trying to get people to understand the seriousness of the situation to no avail. Only to be finally resolved in accepting the 'mundanity' of the shooting, as if it's just another Tuesday in April. This is America, This is an American disease. No other way to put it really.
The UK hasn't seen a school shooting since 1996. Following that shooting the government passed a 1997 act which almost entirely prohibited the private ownership of guns and ammunition. And since than, not a single school shooting. And very little gun crime overall. Turns out that gun control actually works.
I find it funny how it's always the conservatives who complain about female main characters who seem to have superhuman capabilities for no reason but when it's THEIR movie it's suddenly a good thing
Atomic Blonde was nothing like James Bond. It was quite good, because of how visceral and real it portrayed a fight scene where someone actually runs out of breath, gets tired, gets injured and it affects how they fight, gets scared of loosing and needs to stop and assess the situation all during a fight where life and death is at stake, and the person they are fighting feels a similar way. I think it's one of the best films ever made in terms of a real fight being portrayed. She wasn't this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relatable.
@@No_Vax_Covid_Gift_Giver I'm pretty perceptive, and I've always been pretty confident in my English skills, and I'm still really struggling to figure out how this was what you took away from what they wrote. Have you been referred to as... "simple" before? Or maybe "dim?" That would go a long way toward easing my mind about this. You're an enigma.
"She wasn't this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relatable." Two ways to read this: She _wasn't_ [this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relateable] vs: She _wasn't_ [this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes] and _was_ [completely relateable] It's clear the anti-vaxxer guy read it the first way, and everyone else (correctly) interpreted it the second. But it _is_ ambiguous. For clarity, I'd simply add the word 'instead' before 'completely relateable'.
Its so funny how they say "nobody wants to see diverse main characters" and "Hollywood makes these movies to appease the woke" as if those statements don't directly contradict themselves
The first statement is a generalization that means 'The broad movie-going audience does not want to see *artificially-diverse* main characters'. As in, white producers/directors/writers making movies about POCs the way THEY want to portray POCs. Audiences love Jordan Peele's movies, despite them being full of black people, because audiences don't care about race; they want to see a well-made story with solid, universal themes. And, yes, Hollywood makes woke movies to appeal to the woke. Woke people tend to be wealthy white people who love to bitch about how bad _other_ white people are. Woke people make woke movies so they can pat themselves on the back and say, 'All of our opinions are right. We're the GOOD people.' Any time *anyone* makes fiction, and their focus is on politics more than story and character and craft, it's insufferable. No audience likes being nagged. Especially not by people who never examine their own morals. BTW, I'm not saying the right is exempt from this at all. I'm old enough to remember that, all this current woke stuff is a cultural response to the stifling, repressive 'family values' conservatism of the 80s.
It is a contradictory statement to us but also to be fair they don’t consider poc and other minorities to be people. I was going to say they don’t consider poc to be people worth catering to, but no, straight up, I think sometimes poc are just subhumans to them, as if we’re dogs who belong at the bottom of a food chain. Or a strict immutable hierarchy. This is why any attempt to cater to a minority audience is seen as ignoring what the people really want. There’s an unspoken bracket after “people” that says (the people who really matter, anyway). This is also why any advancement a minority can do in the hierarchy to better themselves, get an opportunity, or even just get the smallest win od finally getting movies that have them in mind as the target audience, MUST be artificial to conservatives, we must inherently be taking the place of someone more deserving of that spot. We have to be manipulating the way things SHOULD be. Because there’s no changing a hierarchy. A hierarchy is just nature (Or other times it’s put in place by god). (Seriously, realizing this is just how conservatives think and the often pseudo-religious logic behind this line of thinking has made everything so much clearer to me)
The concept of someone coming in from a van and going "Hey, we're here to shoot up the school." Just shows how unattached and deluded the Dailywire is on all of this. This isn't meant to be a drama. The elephant from 2003 nailed this.
It's because they either believe or want their audience to believe that "propaganda" is only posters of Lenin or like, Triumph of the Will. Americans have a very poor understanding of propaganda and as long as itxs kept that way, Ben and his friends can broadcast right-wing propaganda without anyone calling it out as such.
@@MegaFrog98 People have a very negative association of propaganda. America has made the whole "we're the good guys" thing super easy to not understand it at all, considering saying "we're the good guys" is in itself propaganda. Anything that influences a person to think positively or hold pride in it is propaganda. USA is a huge purporter of propaganda for itself. All countries do it to some extent, but some aren't as creepy or dogmatic about it. National Pride is a advent of propaganda at work. To have it at all in the way shows that it works. Speaking as someone who left the USA and now lives elsewhere. My current country has some nationalism, but not much. Tends to get worse when things get scary, as it always does. I have none. I want whatever country I live in to do better, to be as good as it can. I'm happy when it takes steps to do so and unhappy when it does not. I hold no pride in something I don't choose.
The movie was made beforehand without the Daily Wire, but DW distributed it afterwards. Them bankrolling the film itself is a bit of an exaggeration, although DW did allude to it as part of culture war marketing.
I also think that the word „propaganda“ is so loaded that he just hopes his audience won’t notice what it actually means. Every time I hear people try to redefine propaganda, there are two things I think of. The first is the shock I felt when I heard that the Nazis had a „Propaganda Minister“ because I didn’t realize that the word has only become so loaded because people became conscious of blatant propaganda. The second was my visceral reaction to seeing something I sort of agreed with on a subreddit for propaganda. I was very good at realizing that the things I disagreed with on the sub were blatant propaganda, but when I agree with the point it was trying to make, I no longer wanted the „persuasive poster employing narrative techniques to make a point“ to be just as much propaganda as the poster I could see a clear fearmongering. I learnt to reflect on these things. The daily wire has a vested interest in making sure their viewers don’t.
i hate how political in some peoples mind is "anything that i don't find normal" like a movie about a bunch of straight and cis people isn't political but for some reason a movie about queer and trans people is very political because apparently being a person is political if you dissagree with their personhood
Anytime anyone says “The world went Left and I stayed here” i feel a deep rage. I just will never understand the conservative urge to never progress, it makes these people out to be the biggest cowards in the world and yet they wear it as a badge of pride.
@@mst3kharris I actually want to know, I’m not trying to be insulting, it was a genuine question, but you guys prove time and time again that you can’t answer the question.
@@mst3kharris typical of the left, and typical of the right. Thats why I’m an independent, you are both assholes. And the majority of both the left and rights policies are just completely idiotic. But again, I didn’t expect much, this is the response I get every time and it is no surprise anymore.
The phrase “I’ve never seen local law enforcement brought to its knees by a house fire and a small brushfire” is the funniest way to word it I laughed hysterically. Subbed immediately
I baaaaasically came to the comments to share the same sentiment. I say, "baaaasically," because I didn't even make it THAT far into the video: just the fact that Law Enforcement Officers have wound up being depicting as inept by Back The Blue(/Thin Blue Line) TYPE people...was hilarious enough for me to pause the video and check the comments to see if anyone else had observed this partial dissonance. (I say, "partial," because who KNOWS what values/principles such folks TRULY hold within the core of their being?? I can at least ADMIT to having certain values that come into contradiction with others, to one extent or another, but such conflicts can be resolved because sometimes one principle should just be allowed to take precedent over another. Meanwhile, [rant redacted for time/length] they'll end up, as is the case here, not even factoring IN how several of their beliefs/principles (SHOULD) interconnect.)
Only a year later, we’d learn that the movie didn’t require the villains to a sleight of hand to distract the cops from the school. If the cops had been totally available, they’d still just hang out outside the school and let the events play out.
Yes, its baffling because of how different from the typicall Bond movie "Atomic Blonde" is. It would be more appropiate to compare it to Jason Bourne, and even then there's a lot of other very notable differences aside from "the main character is a woman". I think Ben Shapiro only namedropped James Bond because it is a recognizable spy character from "the good old days"
I'm a 4th year medical student. I was admonished by a patient the other day for not 'thanking him for his service.' It got me thinking. I have a personal chip on my shoulder against the DoD, and I find unnecesary (ie., invasion, starting one, etc) to be one of the most morally abhorrent aspects of the human condition. Did the man make me any safer, more free? I fail to see how invading Mogadishu, or Iraq, or Vietnam, for that matter helped me or any other citizen in the slightest. So the question is: do I behave inauthentically just to shmooze a broken solider? Or do I not? I can empathize with vets, but like I said, I have a chip. Killing people IS and SHOULD be abhorrent. I think it'd be a lot easier though if the killee deserved it for some reason.
Most ppl who I know who have served get uncomfortable when people “thanking them for their service”. I don’t think that you owe it to anyone to thank them for their service, especially someone you don’t know who hasn’t really done anything for you. I’m sure that person thinks taking a knee during our National anthem is evil too, although I’m sure he would say he fought for our right to freedom of belief/speech
my father is military, but hes always taught me to only thank the ones who actually did something for my wellbeing. he's worked with many men and women who used the fact they were in the military to basically flex on others in a twisted way, and he always told me to be wary of the ones who cant go a single conversation without mentioning how great they are and how thankful we should be for THEM. we dont treat vets well, a lot of them have gone through HELL and lost more than we ever could, and i dont think that being involved in war means ur a horrific person, because in times like that, a lot of the, were forced to go, but the people who use those horrible incidents to boast are 100% horrific. if you meet someone who boasts about their time in, lets say, iraq or vietnam, there is a huge chance theyre going to be the worst person you will ever meet, but that doesnt mean every soldier who had to go is that way.
Anyone I know who's served don't like when people thank them because they feel weird and don't know how to respond. They did it for tuition or for the money, not because they wanted people to thank them. Your patient sounds like a jerk.
I remember a British soldier who received a major medal from the King. As he stood there, a look of embarrassment on his face, feeling as though he really didn't deserve it since he was only getting the decoration there on the drill field because he was the sole survivor of his squad, the King gave him a look which seemed to say, "I'm only here as a stand-in for a lot of people, too, you know. Sometimes I find it embarrassing, too. We just have to get through this with dignity for the sake of all of them."
If this exact same film had been made in Hollywood, Shapiro would have complained about the fact that the main character is a girl, and she loves a black boy. He would have bashed it for woke propaganda.
I love the movie 1917 because I think it very explicitly creates a story which nothing can be learned from, the innocent idealist is killed and the already battle-exhausted cynic survives yet another horror show because war is an inhumane place. It recognizes that the static nature of warrior idealogy is the result of systemic dehumanization and glorified violence.
I really feel llke the "good guy with a gun" narrative died in Uvalde. This movie sneers at the idea that one deserves to live in peace even if they don't have the power to do so. "Oh, you're depending on the police to protect you? Sheep!" And I think this is why this makes so many people uncomfortable, as you pointed out: the average person can't murder. Most mass shooting victims are more likely to hurl themselves in front of bullets to protect others than attack a gunman. And especially when grade school children are involved, LIKE in Uvalde, the idea that someone could fight back is pure fiction. I've just heard a lot more "it's the price of freedom, libtard" more than "good guy with a gun" ever since.
They literally cannot decide on a narrative to push. It's either "If you want to defund them, next time you need help, call a crackhead not the police" or "Why would you rely on the police".
In the military, we have active shooter training at least once a year. In that training, we're explicitly told NOT to be a hero and go after the gunman unless under extremely specific circumstances. We're always taught to lock and barricade doors, turn off all lights and to hide, and if you're able to escape the building, use an exit that is unseen and take shelter in another building. So you're right. People fighting back during these scenarios is unlikely and definitely not smart and lowers your chance of survival.
More like people that think that can just live in peace are delusional, and there is always bad guys with a gun. Even if the government banned all guns that just means the government is the bad guys with guns.
@@vulpesmacrotis1990 Boy I got it from both ends in that thread. "You're from Texas and normalizing gun culture!? Fuck you!" "You believe in common sense gun control!? Fuck you!" I think the most amusing take was the guy coming after me about how Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have an illegal gun, despite being a MINOR. He kept moving the goalposts about how if Rittenhouse had filed off the serial numbers on his gun, oooh, boy, then he would have really been in trouble after killing two people!
This came out while I was in highschool, and watching that trailer IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL made my heart drop and my blood boil. I never saw the movie itself, but its EXISTENCE has sat heavy in my brain since it came out. Im commenting this before finishing the video so if you make this point I apologize, but the idea of a movie placing the responsibility of stopping a school shooting on a CHILDS shoulders is INSANE- we should not be telling kids to run back in the building and be a hero!! So many days I spent terrified after threats were made, comforting friends and younger students. To see that be made into an action movie made me want to scream
I’m watching this video after your discussion of The Sound of Freedom. The total whiplash I got from Ben Shapiro saying “there’s a reason why people look at you, if you don’t like these movies, as if your a bad person” and then realizing that that’s what Ben’s audience did for those who didn’t like Sound of Freedom is wild.
I actually liked the rachel's challenge assemblies as a kid, just because it was a good way to develop my incredibly late (autism, abuse, other shit) emotional development and empathy skills. Also, because it made it so whenever my admittedly very, very troubled kid brain wanted to do something like that at the school, I'd remember the rachel's challenge stuff and chill out. Glad it hadn't turned into weird christian soapboxing like another comment said, at least not while they still ran them at my middle school.
This movie honestly feels like the opposite fantasy I'd have where the fifteen year old Moondust would heroically save the school from the school shooters and be showered in praise. What a weird movie.
Two things about the movie that bother me are when the dad fires into the school and kills a school shooter, and the ending where the girl hunts down and tortures the big bad. First, the dad's part reeks of that power fantasy conservatives have after a mass shooting, where they would've put their plot armour on, drove over and effortlessly killed all the bad guys (which they say from the safety of their armchairs). None of them think about the ramifications of yet another random person with a gun rocking up to a mass shooting scene with warped ideas of what they're doing, not to mention that it's nowhere that easy to fight and take a life like that. Second, the girl's final scene is a huge waste of potential - just think of how psychologically scarred this girl is that she becomes as sadistic as he, albeit in a pay evil unto evil way. Now think about what could've been done instead, like her realising how far she's fallen, or that she went after the wrong guy because the big bad had already shot himself and she mistook another kid for him.
I know I'm very late to this, but as a historian of childhood in the US, I loved your conversation on reframing propaganda. It reflected a lot of what I do in my own work.
"Atomic Blonde was essentially James Bond." Yes, and James Bond is a representation of an archetype and role that existed before James Bond. The creator of James Bond didn't invent all secret agent / spy movies. A basic attempt at understanding what connects the human race would wildly flip this man's world view.
You would think that conservatives, people who like to continue doing the same thing over and over cause resistance to change is literally in their ethos, would not mock remaking the same essential story over and over. Oh wait. It has a woman as the lead instead of the man so now it's "woke". Not sexist at all. Also she did an AMAZING job on those fight scenes. I feel like I could watch them all day and just sit back and appreciate how well she does them. All idiots like Shapiro see is "woman fighting bad!"
James Bond was a massive development in spy/action stories, and it sparked a 'spy craze' in the 60's and everything since then, about a slick super-competent person fighting baddies, lives in the shadow of James Bond. There were precursors to Bond, but spy work was grubby and sneaky before Bond, rather than glamorous and larger-than-life.
Especially when Atomic Blonde is a lot more of a John Le Carre homage with action beats, and Le Carre is famously wildly different from Ian Fleming’s work in tone and atmosphere, something which becomes super obvious in how Atomic Blonde is written and filmed, its not just gritty Bond its an extremely brutal realistic cold-war world, but yeah John Wick, Bond, are inspirations, though funnily enough David Leitch directed both Wick and Atomic Blonde. Also its fucking hilarious that ATOMIC BLONDE is the big sticking point of ‘look how political these woke liberals are’ when that movie was seriously the opposite, without any corporate pandering, just awesome action by a spy, I mean he could’ve named star wars or any Disney property but he named one of the best action films of 2017
@@GuineaPigEveryday I hope they make Yasmin Finney the next 007 - Janet/Jamie Bond - a black trans woman! I would probably end up drowning in the huge amount of popcorn I would have to make to watch the Ben Shapiros, Matt Walshes, Jordan Petersons, Steven Crowders of this world melting in rage…..
i love how they go hard against the new charles angels, when all versions of charles angels were basically female james bond, but now women have colored shor thair, so it must be more woke than the previous movies@@GuineaPigEveryday
Oh I think I see. A takeaway I hadn’t considered. These people, listen far too much to their inner story teller. It’s the voice in all humans that says “man, I bet I’d do great in an action movie,if I got mugged, if I found a magic book, if a school shooting happened “. heck, I didn’t need this movie, IVE COME UP WITH THE PLOT. On my own. When I was little! I was always internally Embarrassed about it though, because I REALIZED it was inappropriate and not real. Do the Directors! Not have that filter?
I find that's one of the key points of how mature you can tell someone is: when they see an action movie, or a disaster movie, who do they see themselves in? The example I always use is the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan: I'm always leery of anyone who is absolutely convinced they'd be one of the guys making it off of the beach in that scenario, and not one of the people who dies horribly before reaching the cliffs. It's not unique to conservatives, but conservatives in particular seem to really suffer from Main Character Syndrome.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 no, but thinking you're above the odds or other people sure as shit is MCS. Besides, if your "yearning for meaning" means subscribing to the childish notion that you're somehow divinely favored, then MCS and "yearning for meaning" need not be mutually-exclusive.
I have never been so quickly convinced of a person's brilliance as I have been watching a couple of videos from your channel. Absolutely phenomenal work.
“We need to take liberals and allow them to see a conservative point of view!” I think having it forced down my throat several times a day while I just try to exist is enough, personally.
@@DimaRakesahI never used to watch youtube shorts but recently i started watching them more frequently and just got BOMBARDED with far-right podcasts being misogynistic when absolutely none of the long-form content I watch would indicate I'd want to watch that. I had to explicitly say "don't recommend this" like 15 times before they finally stopped showing up, and I still get the crazy right wing ads. It's honestly crazy how much social media platforms promote this stuff while people like ben shapiro are out here railing against the "liberal agenda" of all these platforms 🙄
I live in some random european village and I'm not into politics at all so I don't engage with political content. I just so happen to know the daily wire because my sister is really right wing for some reason and tells me all about it (and also because of ben shapiro's heavy presence in meme culture). I think you are absolutely terrifying. My only exposure to politics has been from a conservative perspective but then here you are just making good points and spitting facts for fifty minutes straight. TL;DR you're very well spoken and scary and your channel will get hundreds of thousands of views and subscribers like really soon
You don’t need to be scary to tear apart Right wing politics and Ben shapiro you just need a brain but I agree this content creator is exceptional and very badass
What’s crazy is that Zoe works as a Zahler character. In every one of his movies, she fits the unrealistic revenge archetype. And I can see why, at surface level, Dallas attached his name to this project. Zoe being a child doesn’t affect the rest of the movie. It’s the fact that rest of the movie is so grounded in reality. To really sell violence at this scale, you have to approach it with an insane level of absurdity. Like the final scene is the catharsis you would expect from an over-the-top revenge flic, but it feels too close to home the rest of the movie. You CAN make a school shooting action film, just as you can make a film highlighting the violent catch 22 we subject incarcerated felons to. BUT you have to make it a personal revenge story. There were so many other innocent victims in this film that were not related directly to the protagonist. And the villains, though one of them fits the proper archetype, were boring! Boo! And right-wing marketing inherently ruined this movie’s meaning.
A point (that I thought you were leading to) when you talked about how the lead girl seems to act like a burly hardened marine - she's a self insert for the films' target audience. In the same way that Bella in Twilight is a generic teenage girl trying to fit in, to appeal to all the teen girls trying to fit in that those books and movies appealed to, the lead girl in this movie is a burly hardened army shoot em up type, to appeal to all the grown adult men who like guns who will watch this movie.
And those who want to marry an "all American mini-marine" Highschool girl! Don’t forget that Matt Walsh insist that the only problem with Highschool girls getting pregnant is that they’re not married yet!
The Daily Wire isn't a person. It can't have a conscience. The people that work for it do. It would be silly to think otherwise. They don't think they are evil. That's the issue. They think they are the good guys.
The more you explained the way the main character is written, the more I realized they made one of those assassin high school stories I see on wattpad of edgy kids killing each other as a school assignment or whatver.
@@jdbruce?? Assassination classroom they're not trying to kill anyone besides their teacher? And also the teacher is an alien monster who is threatening to destroy the whole entire world. And the teacher actually teaches different School subjects like science, math and stuff like that. The only "assassination training" they get is from a government goun that uses gym time as training. That's something completely different than those stories. In fact the person that they're trying to kill actually wants them to succeed in their academics and cares for them as students. There is a whole entire plot point of one of the characters strapping a grenade to themselves to kill the teacher. If it was inspired by those stories the teacher would be proud but no, that's not what happens. The teacher actually gets incredibly furious that they would even think about doing something that reckless and stupid. It's not even an action anime, it's literally a comedy, where most of the attempts don't work and fail in funny fashion. It sounds like you just saw a few clips and heard the name and judged it just by that.
Did Benny Shap really just say "too much media is political" AND THEN QUITE LITERALLY GO "and because of this we're making the political decision to make movies too"????? Oh, and also - pulverising a movie with a clear passion, like in this essay, is what makes me subscribe. Your writing is very compelling!
liked and subscribed fr, this was an excellently written and researched commentary! what I love more than video essays is finding new video essayists on yt to add to my hoard
Not gonna lie... I had no intention of watching more than five minutes of this video. Thought I'd pop in, get the gist in the intro, roll my eyes at the movie, and call it a day. 46 minutes and 55 seconds later, I find that not only did I watch (and thoroughly enjoy) the whole video, but am genuinely likely to watch it again for further examination... Well thought-out, produced, presented... Well done!
This is a great vid! I think the only thing I disagree with is the title/description. You tore the movie apart from every angle, but I don't think you made the case for it being a comedy. Congrats on 100k! I'm so glad to have recently found your channel!
Thank you for mentioning that politics are inevitable in art. I could say both "Dirty Harry" and Taxi Driver" had a similar plot (vigilante with a gun), but from different perspectives. The former skews more authoritarian with the police officer who goes outside the law and cuts down on crime by being a singular judge, jury, and executioner. The latter is more of a character study of a deeply war-scared man whose violence is rooted by trauma and mental illness. Great job on this video.
I feel that even Dirty Harry is a bit of a character-study of a cop who uses extreme methods, rather than a two-dimensional action film advocating for teachers/security-guards to carry guns in schools. And even Harry Callaghan wasn't killing teenagers.
@@GregOrCreg You can make an argument that Dirty Harry is a condemnation of that kind of cop a different points too, but the film seems confused on what point it was making IMO.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone Which film? Dirty Harry, or this? I like Dirty Harry but maybe it helps that I was born after the film. Plus, the villain in the film seems relatively removed from reality, whereas school shootings are a common occurence, and, once again, involve *kids*.
Great video! I always thought that the main character felt so out of place and now that you mention shes written like a retired marine it is so clear to me. Cant wait for the sequel: 2 Hide 2 Fight
She will be a Liberty University student who either has to avert an antifa attack or discover that the new memer of the Christian Student Union who is helping them plan an attack on a pride parade secretly works for the FBI.
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That flick always gave me the vibe of, "what if Columbine, but politically useful... again!" The filmmakers aren't without talent, but ultimately their product just feels like a cynical, cowardly insult to people who have to live with the people the Daily Wire indulge in creating. ... anyway, great work on this! My first video of yours, and drove an instant subscribe!
It's very telling that the story has to tie up EVERY SINGLE RESCUE PERSONNEL FOR MILES AROUND with a distraction to justify why a CHILD has to save her fellow students from school shooters. It's such a god damn fantasy. It's like someone watched Rambo and said "Gosh you know... our kids should be like that at school." and didn't for one second stop to think about how INSANE that is. ALSO THE FIGHT SCENES IN ATOM BLONDE ARE FUCKING AMAZING AND ANYONE BOILING IT DOWN TO "oh they just made James Bond a woman" IS A FUCKING BLIND MISOGYNIST.
from the footage of the first three minutes alone i was thinking to myself "that is an awful lot of teenagers running around with guns" but considering this is a right wing movie it makes sense
I have so many things to say about this movie, so forgive the rant: One other thing I think they got wrong about shootings is the very specific kind of fear for people in them. Sure, teenage white boys acting as violent political zealots is scary, but so many of the perspectives from real survivors is about fear. The waiting. The randomness of the deaths. The fact that it could be your friend, your classmate, your lab partner, who's suddenly gone from your life. The mass herds of screaming, afraid people. Being hunted down in a place you already dislike, the idea that your high school could become your grave. That’s terrifying. But Run Hide Fight isn't about being afraid. Stories about real survivors saving lives are never about proving a political point. It's not like they wrestle the gun away from the scary conservative kid and then curb-stomp them while screaming "THIS IS FOR THE LEFT." But in Run Hide Fight it's exactly that. It's about sticking it to the bad guys and not about humans inherently wanting to protect other humans in life-or-death situations. I think another thing that lends to Zoe's characterization as a teenage assassin is her choosing to kill the bad guys with a gun. The "Fight" part of surviving a shooting is about using what you have around you as protection-- textbooks, metal desks, etc-- to the point of some school supplies being manufactured specifically in the case of shootings (like bulletproof backpacks). If they wanted a badass warrior protagonist while still having her be a kid, it would be a much better idea to have her use school supplies and tools. That, on its own, is so dystopian that if you didn't know that it's a real thing taught to children, it almost sounds like made up symbolism.
Fantastic video, reminded me a lot of Jacob Geller's video on Call of Duty, where the creators stated Call of Duty was not political. It's such a ridiculous statement, and if anything it makes the product seem less intersting to me. Are you saying your work wasn't trying to say anything? That there was no point to it? That's obviously not the case, unless you just flick paint at a wall your art is going to have meaning you have crafted, but trying to deny that in itself implies you're scared of criticism or scared of being associated with politics.
People only ever say their work is "not meant to be political" when they don't understand how much of daily life is political. Even having the privilege to afford a car is political. And every single piece of media out there is political. Some are just more neutral than others, but political nonetheless. They're just trying to avoid harsh realities and interesting conversations.
@@sebakisniesebakisnie6109 I hope I can explain it well: every part of life is politics. Even just saying "kids deserve food" is political. If you don't acknowledge that, then being "apolitical" is simply saying nothing at all about life. You don't have to say "vote for this specific party" to be political. Most interesting media has something to say. I've noticed people who insist that their media is apolitical don't understand how politics colors every viewpoint in their life, down to the characters they include (whether they have black, gay, etc characters), to the themes that unintentionally shine through their writing (even just including a scene wherein a bully gets punished for bullying, is part of anti-bullying politics). We can't escape having opinions or letting those opinions shine through in our media, why not embrace it and make sure you're telling a story that portrays the beliefs you're interested in? It's quite wishy-washy to claim that your work is apolitical and is often just a way to defend yourself from getting criticized about the things you include in the story.
@@ettaetta439You’re 100% correct, but as a thought experiment, I wonder if the attempt to be apolitical is in itself a radical pursuit. The intent to present any portrayal of life without including the ways which it has been molested by political interests specifically is interesting to me. Of course, I’m biased as someone who exists in an “intersection” of many politically targeted groups. I don’t like the concept of “everything is political” because people think I, a human, am political solely because I exist as I am. Everything I do, think, and say must have political implications; anything I am included in, excluded from, interested or disinterested in, so on and so forth. It’s almost as if I don’t have a right to my own existential condition because the external political circumstances are “inherent” to everything about me. Personally, I think that politics is separate from human existence, so it’s not a fact of life that everything is inherently political. I think it’s the goal of politics, for the purposes of maintaining and obtaining power, to make everything political. Existing shouldn’t be inherently political. And I think assuming everything is inherently political invites the state to have input where it deserves none. But, again, I don’t disagree that under the circumstances we live in, it may in fact be the reality. I’m just arguing that it may not HAVE to be the case, and in all likelihood it SHOULDN’T be. And I say that because I don’t know who gave anyone the right to make me political by default. I’m a person, not a talking point. Unpopular idea, but maybe de-politicizing certain things will actually allow us to tackle them more effectively, because they are human issues with practical problems and solutions. Not political issues with moral quandaries to be resolved with “beliefs”. For instance. People are hungry. Feed them. This is entirely logical. Homo sapiens has survived against all odds by forming cooperative groups which ensure the survival of everyone possible within that group. It does not need to turn into, “Do they deserve to be hungry? Is it right to feed them?” That, in my opinion, is how politicization ruins things. Now you’ve introduced meritocracy and hierarchy to a simple issue of group survival, under circumstances where there is no shortage of the necessary resources. Etc, etc. Personally, I think it would be a great experiment to see something that was deliberately apolitical rather than complacently apolitical.
@@wildersystem Of course. I completely agree with what you're saying, and I personally absolutely hate how literally all of human existence is politics. I personally, though, decide to lean into it to point out people's inherent privilege just through existing in certain ways. It's often the only way I can get my point across to people and explain privilege or how society disadvantages people in subtle ways to people who don't understand that concept or think that bigotry is solely limited to shouting slurs. I await the day we depoliticize human lives, but the people who use "I'm apolitical" as a way to avoid criticism of the beliefs they unintentionally put into their creation are not a good way to do it, so I criticize them for it. Thank you for such a long and insightful comment.
Can I just say that you are one of the best commentary channels I’ve found recently. You have all the reasonableness of some of the best left-wing channels but very little of the preachiness. Rock on!
@@themorbidzoo I mean, you do lecture, but a lot of left leaning youtubers tend to very liberal with the word “fascist” and tend to interpret people on the right through that lens. You’re approach, I think, gets to the heart of the issues with some of these guys. Your video on Trump not being a fascist but rather the epitome of an American individualist is a great example of that.
@@NotBizarro When trump started trying to silence the media is when I knew he was a fascist. He is a New York socialite who desperately wanted to be a dictator. He wanted to have police shoot protestors in the legs (yes that happened). Everything bad about him was "fake news" and the media was out to get him. Republicans who didn't agree with him are "RINOs" and to be fired and ruined. Whatever term you want to use for him, it should never be "stable".
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God the surreal existential dread I just experienced from watching this video and in the middle of my viewing getting a news notification of another mass shooting that killed over a dozen people. It's moments like that that make me actually understand the inacation on this issue because how do people keep fighting for change through this absolutely paralyzing horror. I can almost sympathize with the people who'd watch this movie because obviously it's easier to watch an action fantasy where anyone can be a hero rather than confront the issue head on and let go of that imaginary world they'd rather live in.
A review by morons, for morons. Of course the only reason for the "criticism" in this video is ideological paranoia and nothing else.
which is why it found its way in your feed. Lots of people did, regardless of where they stand on the issue, regardless whether they are subbed to her and watch her regularly. Think about it.
@@kaleidoscopicvoid I literally started watching the video before the shooting occurred. It happened as I was watching the video. Trust me when I say the two things are only coincidentally linked
@@aajc120 alright
@@kaleidoscopicvoid Still, the so-called "criticism" of this movie is nothing else than deluded, ideologically fixated hate and harassment. Alsp, normal people know perfectly well that BOTH right- and left-extremists are responsible for the rampant mass shootings in USA, while your dear propaganda channel CNN lie like pigs about it every time the mass shooter turns out to be a left extremist. It is absolutely disgusting.
Being able to say “my enemies are on Twitter” with a completely straight face is insane
Enemies defeated by not reading twitter.
Ive trapped my enemies within the twitter app
I've neutralized my enemies my renaming it to X
@@ma.paulacortez520 I'm an action hero, drawing Xs on the eyes of my enemies
I mean who doesn't have enemies on Twitter? So many people on there seem to exist to be assholes.
The joke at the end of the video is extra-funny two years later because Ben Shapiro's video about _Barbie_ was so cringe-worthy that some conservatives online accused him of being paid by "the Left" to make conservatives look bad
wait, really? i can't believe the irony lol🤣🤣 i guess it was bound to happen sooner or later but holy s-- i'm rolling laughing
Bro what planet are you living on there's a whole bunch Of conservatives especially of the populist variety who can't stand ben shapiro
That's hilarious 😂😂
@@riccardozanoni2531 even conservatives of his kind are done with his bs
Very clever advertising if so
Ben Shapiro:
"We're trying to make edgy and entertaining films that aren't trying to brainwash you every step of the way."
*two seconds later
"We can't win the culture war, if we're not competing for the people we are attempting to reach."
Nice one, Ben. You maybe want to go back and do a second draft so you're a little less transparent? "Oh yeah we're not trying to brainwash you, we're just trying to get people to believe what we want them to believe."
THIS is what makes dealing with conservatives so frustrating. They constantly tell us what their intentions are but when they get called out on it they lie and we're all supposed to act like we didn't watch them say or do exactly what they said or did. It's maddening.
Imo the left and right uses different definitions for different things, they speak 2 different languages, when you hear a conservative like Ben speak and say what he did it’s contextually true to a conservative, he doesn’t want to influence you politically but change how things are culturally. What a leftist hears is they are hypocritical, out of touch liars. Well, the truth is somewhere in the middle. He isn’t making movies to push political ideals but culture and politics are closely intertwined. So what he says seems hypocritical. Conservatives are out of touch in the context of why some people insist on making things more complicated and nuanced yet can’t or will not be objective when applying the same nuanced way of thinking in what they say. As for them Being liars, everyone is to some degree from a politically bias way of thinking. The issue is when someone is being intellectually dishonest for their political views and I notice this on the left in terms of the way culture is going.
@@saltyark7564 I agree with the first in that Leftists and Conservatives have different contextual understanding of certain words. I can even agree that sometimes that means people on the left and right misunderstand each other's arguments and definitely agree that when two representatives of their belief's debate, both sides can leave thinking that one person "destroyed" the other in the marketplace of ideas. Just look at Chaya Raichik's embarrassing interview. This does not then mean that the middle ground is enlightened or that the truth lies somewhere between both of these positions. Middlegrounders are just indecisive, because it's also true that both the left and right could be wrong, and the middle ground between those two, is equally wrong. Rather than doing the labor of coming up with something outside of the conversation or picking a side, the middleground is a no-man's land in terms of an informed political stance at least if the middleground is indeed your general political stance.
But no in this example, I was right on the money, because what do you think happens to politics if culture is influenced? If, culturally, we all consider abortion murder, and we have movies that depict it as such, how do you think people are gonna vote on that?
I agree that Ben Shapiro doesn't think about the implications of the things he says and thus these statements probably don't ring as hypocritical to him. After all, he is the same person who said if your house floods due to global warming, you should just sell it and move, to someone who would want a flooded house apparently. But this doesn't change the fact that his statement, was a dumb one, or if you prefer, an ignorant one.
@@Tiny_and_Reese I pprecite tour well mannered rebuttal, I avoided saying my political,cvjews because fakes and cons can be found in either side, but tbh, I side with policies that will help America, we need a smaller government that uses resources to catch predators and high end drug dealers we don’t need more people in prison, we need the right people in there, like some kid in the corner selling rock, it’s not a good thing but it’s not always a black and white situation. The kid doesn’t need prison, he needs more resources to succeed and less incflunces in his life pushing the ideal. I can’t say I’m conservative because I do believe an
Vortion at Serra in time periods are ok, I can’t say I’m a republican becauae many of them promote war, I’m not a Democrat, they push policies that sound good to get elected and I’m not a progressive, I’m not libertarian I’m an American who cares about America getting her chest together ya know? Middle ground a person. Ay say, but no I have sr
Trang feelings on some policies, both liberal type and conservative Ypres. Not the wishy way some are portrayed.
@@Tiny_and_Reese I appreciate your response, I disagree the middle ground is indecisive though. I don’t find politics spiritually fulfilling. I know my beliefs but I try not to force them on others. Hence I’m considered the middle ground because I try to understand both sides of the argument, even ones I disagree with vehemently I try to understand their pov, it doesn’t mean I agree with them in any way, but I like to know their thought process ya know?
The most ironic part of this whole thing to me is that if this movie was distributed by the "woke left hollywood," they'd make fun of it for having a female lead who acts "badass" and "cringy." But since they made that movie, it's conservative and compelling
The Double Standard is a cornerstone of the conservative worldview
It’s ironic too that the left aren’t praising this movie as progressive for doing those things, just because it’s produced by ‘the bad guys’. Double standards are the cornerstone of almost any ideology
With a white female lead and a black love interest. Isn’t that considered “woke”?
@@herrschneider5310Same thing could easily be applied to liberals.
@@dudebro91-fn7rz didn't say it didn't. idiocy is not political
"we're not gonna brainwash you" followed by him saying that the goal of his movies is to make people conservatives
He also claims that they will make 'non-political' movies. Sure buddy
Ben Shapiro wants people to conform to his views. I hate conformity!
The goal of many Hollywood movies is for them to push leftist ideology onto people, and many of them don't hide that fact.
So, why is it ok for them to do it, but then suddenly wrong when conservatives do it?
Could it be that you don't actually care about the action whatsoever, you only care about whos doing it? And since its more of a whisper or not-so-secret secret in Hollywood, its easier to act like its NOT happening there?
That, and the fact that you're probably a liberal/leftist yourself. so you support certain actions as long as the people performing the action are people you agree with, but then you put your hypocrite crocs on and act like the same action is terrible when the people doing it are people you DONT agree with.
if you educate someone, they become a conservative. you have to brainwash someone to make them a leftist.
“If we don’t get involved in the culture war how are we going to win the political war?” is such a tell.
If we talk policies, the right generally loses. Medicaid is popular, public school funding is popular, less educational debt is popular, repealing Citizens United is popular…
The fact that they made the main character a woman with a black love interest to avoid accusations of sexism and racism all while bitching about "woke" Hollywood is so funny to me, this movie is ideologically indistinguishable from most action movies but Daily Wire viewers need to feel counter culture I guess
EXACTLY dude they complain about any type of representation in movies but then in a desperate attempt to prove they're not bigots they pull shit like this. "I swear our organization/community founded on bigotry isn't racist or sexist! We're definitely homophobic tho frick the gays"
It really is laughable. As another commenter pointed out, the problem with "wokeness" in modern TV isn't the politics, it's the pandering. It's totally natural for the main character's love interest to be black, but not when it's there to check a box, ESPECIALLY when those boxes were made by conservatives who would turn right around and criticize "woke" Hollywood for doing exactly the same.
That's what I was saying. It's still a misplaced Individualist War Hero story given the topic, & the cast being diverse doesn't make it more okay. They're still doing what woke producers do.
it still manages to come under same lame corporate attempts at placating woke-ism that most anti-wokesters whine about.... what a bang up job
the fuck is this comment
I think the way Shapiro talks about the film is the most telling thing. He refers to a "culture war" and acts like all films in Hollywood are made with an agenda, *because he can't conceive of any other reason to create something.* It's not about art for art's sake. And that's why his art sucks. There are so many creatives in Hollywood who make films because they *adore* the art form, and that love comes through clearly. there are also many in Hollywood who create for money, or are constrained by studio demands based on profitability, and that's how we get some truly shitty films. But Shapiro creates to "win the culture war," and that's why his art will never be anything but mediocre.
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Ben Shapiro seems to think an "agenda" is something as innocuous as a film starring a black person. That was apparently why he didn't like The Batman.
I think hollywood is more "Art for money's sake." People are encouraged to make are they care about, yes - but only so long as they remember that their artistic ambition is not the goal, merely a means towards that goal: Return on investment.
Conservatives always have to declar war on something. War on terror, war on drugs, war on crime, war on immigration, culture war... and the usual wars with other countries. It's never a dialogue, a sharing of ideas. It's a struggle, a battle, something they have to *win* or else they lose something in turn.
"Art for art's sake" is a statement of defiance against leftists pointing out that art is inherently political. The director basically paraphrases "art for art's sake" at 20:52.
4:01 I love that. Ben Shapiro accusing others of only judging movies based on their politics. He _only_ judges other movies based on their politics, constantly decrying holywood as being "woke", whatever he thinks that means
He even goes on to talk about how he wants his movies and the media he wants others to watch to be inherently political, the hypocrite.
I feel like the conservative mantra is "it's only ok when I do it"
@@davidkonevky7372 The ole "conservatism is not propaganda because it's the truth" schtick.
There’s such a weird tonal dissonance with the ‘serious’ framing of a movie about a girl running around the school fighting mini bosses like it’s a video game
For the folks who made this film and people who really like there has got to be some paraphilia in the DSM to diagnose them with. ❤
Im pretty sure its the exact plot of one of onisions books
i was honestly thinking the same thing lmao@@maggieleslie4352
@@maggieleslie4352bro I think you’re right
@@maggieleslie4352I was thinking Metal Gear.
"We're so sick of movies with all these politics in them..."
"Btw, our entire goal is to convince people to be Conservative through our movies... I see nothing wrong when we do it at all."
As they say, "it's only political when I personally don't agree with its politics."
That’s just the line they use in all their grifting. People like Ben Shapiro hate “Hollywood” because they couldn’t make it. It’s very interesting when you see how all these grifters all come from some failed creative background and lash out with … bad propaganda movies that are very unsuccessful.
@@SharkFishFace Yeah. Ben Shapiro used to try to make it into the writer's room of several shows, and he is also a mediocre classically trained violinist and singer. Obviously an abundance of people try and fail, and go on to do something different and that is completely fine, but it is truly peculiar that there seems to exist some kind of pipeline from failed creative to political pundit.
@@KattReen Exaaactly~
@@KattReen
You know the funniest part about it? His parents were Hollywood big shots. Which means that he was so bad at screen writing that he couldn’t even keep a job with the connections he had.
As a flight attendant no one ever remembers me unless they have perceived me as rude. No matter how far and beyond I go - people only ever comment when things go wrong. Thank you for making me feel seen.
A flight attendant helped me not freak out when I hadn’t flown on a plane in over ten years. I think y’all are great.
@@wajmgirl This made my day.
honestly that commentary made me want to check out clerks. i got a "real job" as a convenience store clerk just a few mo's ago. though it's not the type of job where i can sit around and waste time. but being one of many invisible blips on hundreds of people's radars every day, up to the point that you make life harder for them, is *such* an experience. there are quite literally millions of us yet i don't remember that part of our lives being discussed frankly like this in media
i still remember really nice flight attendants i’ve had!
I still remember a convenience store clerk when I was about 12 years old.
I don't know what was special about her but my father also said he should call the owner to tell how amazing she was.
And that was 30 years ago
What I personally find bewildering is that the movie that arguably kicked off the hardcore 1-man-army style action movie genre as we think of it, Rambo: First Blood has the exact OPPOSITE message. Rambo, as a character, is ALWAYS considered tragic. He is someone who just wants to live somewhere by himself so he doesn’t have to use the skills he developed. He is haunted by the inconcievable number of lives he has taken, and even TO THIS DAY that remains true. Like, the entire point of those movies is that killing strips you of your humanity. It hollows out your very soul, and thats something that has largely been lost, I think, on the audiences that consume them.
And the other film that codified the tropes, Die Hard, is about a relatively normal guy who is repeatedly shown to be in way over his head, barely survives, and spends the vast majority of the film hiding and trying to get help from people who are more qualified to deal with this.
I cried at the end of First Blood. I felt really bad for Rambo.
Read the book. John Rambo is even more tragic. Hollywood cleaned it up for the big screen.
Rambo was the first American movie which taught me how messed up the country is. The dude got arrested for basically walking and having no home. Like, WTF? Country of freedom? What?
I get the impression that the film language these people were trying to draw upon by showing the protagonist being able to coldly kill the shooters is a transposed “final girl” archetype. But, like you said, they treat a child like a soldier, not a child.
It’s definitely a warped version of the final girl archetype. Specifically the third act badass where the girl has been through hell and back, and is now ready to fight to stay alive. Note that archetype is all about her just trying to get out of the situation by going through it, and only happens when literally everything else has failed. Also it’s usually the sign that the final girl has snapped so it’s not really the starting point for a character.
We in Somalia now
Treating children like soldiers instead of children is pretty par for the course for conservatives.
@@metronicmagician1816yeah, i actually thought that this schoolgirl's ridiculous willingness to shed blood pretty much at the drop of a hat was a really good character trait. a scriptwriter who actually knew what he was doing might have played it up as a character flaw on her part.
That and the fact that an interesting form of trauma is created + displayed throughout the movie. Most likely they just copy-pasted the character traits of a bitter and war-traumatized soldier onto a girl and called it a day (gag), but as a storywriter/scriptwriter myself I saw a massively interesting point they could've addressed but actively chose not to. A lot of Americans have been scarred by at least one major mass-shooting (mostly indirectly but for some directly). This can cause a lot of desensitization compared to onlookers who witness the current situation we're struggling with. Americans are much more willing to address violence with violence. So they show a child being forcibly put into an extremely dangerous and traumatic situation for her to react with violence. That makes sense.
Yet, they never address how awful this direction she personally took is. Despite making her look heroic and satisfied, she's now going to deal with the aftermath of a life filled with PTSD and possibly derealization issues. A future aftermath they don't show. We love to glorify the moment where we stand victorious over adversity yet we never acknowledge the issues that come with the traumatic incident. The same issues happen with veterans. We love to praise them. We love to glorify. We love to thank them and bask in the riches we acquire from countries we wage wars with. Yet, we leave them homeless. We refuse to offer them adequate mental healthcare. We never address what comes after the return. It's awful. They COULD have addressed these issues with trauma/ignoring the downsides or traumas that come with fighting these issues yet they decided to follow the status quo. Glorify the person willing to sacrifice themselves. Feed them to the wolves when you realize they've been mentally destabilized by the incident. It's disgusting.
I think as far as school shooter movies go, "Elephant" (2003) really nailed it. It feels mundane, none of the vignettes result in any story lines. And this accomplishes something very important in terms of realism that makes a point - these are regular kids, doing their regular daily routine, and none of it goes anywhere or ends up meaning anything. It doesn't dramatize anything. It's just cold, almost "boring" tragedy. And I think that's how a film about such a horrific phenomena should feel. We shouldn't gain any sort of story-based satisfaction. We shouldn't deify the victims. It should make us feel empty because there's nothing about this subject that should make us feel anything but horror and how tragedy can strike everyday people in everyday moments.
I think I remember hearing shapiro and co. talk about elephant as not good, but I can’t remember if it was because it “humanizes the shooters too much” (which is wrong, I barely remember them being characters at all) or because it’s not fun enough; too much of a bummer. Either explanation reveals where their priorities are.
I agree. It was so weirdly Gus Van Sant. There was no glorification. Not really much drama at all. They're all just kids lost in their worlds. Then there's that spooky scene where you watch the shooter practicing with video games. We get to watch for too long. None of the juiced out Die Hard/ cigar choming machismo.
We need to talk about Kevin?
It’s a great movie and I thought it was about the kids and their lives and how all of their interesting and unique personalities and character arks that should have decades to evolve and grow are all cut short because some cringy losers were allowed by greedy politicians and cowardly libertarian gun nuts to buy guns on the internet.
It’s really a beautiful tragedy that shows how extremely tragic school shootings are without any emphasis on the shooters or the violence just the tragic loss of potential and life experience.
So true and real. I absolutely love that movie, it's beautiful in a dark way and so well written I just adore it
How does Ben Shapiro squeeze sooooo much unintentional irony in just a few minutes of monologuing with his angry Muppet voice?
Seeing the movie imply how her "feeling like she was in a war" was a good thing, gives me the same disturbing feeling as when a person I know who was in the military complained to a family member that I wasn't aware of my surroundings enough, and while in public I should always be watching out for someone who'll potentially hurt me. Like, I think it's fine to encourage having a few basic practices to help keep yourself safe, but shouldn't we be striving for a society where we can actually feel safe?
It almost makes too much sense though, knowing how they see gun control. The problem isn’t that the bad guys have guns, the problem is that the „good guys“aren’t alert enough to stop them.
@@Guineapigsreadingbooks I think the problem as perceived by Shapiro's type of conservative is that the good guys aren't willing to shoot first.
Yes!
We had an assembly for “Rachel’s Challenge” every year in elementary school, the first time the speakers came around the messaging was all well and good: “Rachel Scott was a victim in the Columbine shooting, she always encouraged people to be kind to others, you never know what someone’s going through” etc. I remember being really moved by the assembly overall, and i was looking forward to them coming back the next year …UNTIL they finally showed up that next school year. All of a sudden their messaging turned Into “Rachel was a devout Christian who was actually psychic. she knew something bad was going to happen and predicted the exact number of casualties in her drawing of a dead flower. God and Jesus spoke to her frequently. Oh and be kind I guess.”
They then passed around photo copies of the dead flower drawing/prophecy that I guess predicted the whole school shooting a d total number of casualties…for us to keep?? For some reason??? I sat there as a first or second grader SO utterly confused
I read this and was like "How did she suddenly transform into an X-Man?"
Yes, yes this exactly!!! I just saw this comment, I’m so happy someone else remembers this! I remember very distinctly that during one of those assemblies the guy said she had premonitions and told her whole family she was going to die young or some shit. I remember it really well because it was the first time in my life I realized adults could be genuinely deceitful, because even though I was 11 years old, guess what: no she fucking didn’t.
Well, that's entirely telling of church influence in America
WOW that is some of the despicable propaganda of which I've heard.
@@themorbidzoo there is literally a movie about it, that I saw in middle school
Ben Shapiro ranting about how conservatives don’t get enough representation in media is the funniest thing ever
Lol he's such a dweeb. Thanks for the watch!
I love how he oscillates between thinking that his side is "non-political" and that they need to promote conservatism. It's weird because, while most conservatives will call themselves almost anything but conservative, Shapiro always seemed to be the exception to that.
Besides Chris Pratt can you name any openly conservative or pro-life actors/actresses?
@@stephenattwood1992 - Clint Eastwood, John Voigt, Kevin Sorbo, that Star Wars lady...
Eastwood is 92 and Kevin Sorbo literally went on prageru to talk about how Hollywood kept telling him to shut up about being Christian. When he didn't he stopped getting work.
Still only have Chris Pratt
Tristan is the name of a shooter from the Netherlands from 13 years ago. I still recall this because it was one of very few mass shootings here in the Netherlands. This 'movie' is just sick.
Kip is the name of the Thurston school shooter in Springfield Oregon, my "local" tragedy. I had a feeling there'd be a pattern.
You're a weird person.
"My enemies are on Twitter attacking me!" Oh you poor, fragile thing!
Conservatives will complain about Rey in star wars while creating the ultimate mary sue
Yeah but that doesn’t change the fact that Rey is a Mary sure.
@@ulysses58599 the entire sequel trilogy sucks balls. Not because it's woke, but because it's poorly written, poorly acted, has a bad story, and the characters have no chemistry whatsoever.
@@ulysses58599 Luke was a Mary Sue. He destroyed the Death Star with zero training.
@@DIEGOSHAY Luke made a single successful shot from a fighter - a type of shot he already had experience with previously, as noted when he banters with Biggs about having made similar shots like that when piloting ships back on Tatooine, and after demonstrating that he had skill with operating shipboard weaponry previously during the Millennium's engagements with Imperial forces - after he did in fact receive basic training on how to use the Force from Obi-Wan. Limited training, but enough so that he at least understood from firsthand experience what relying on the Force is like and how to do so. And that limited training is ALL that he used for the final shot in question. He wasn't pulling off any complex Force abilities or fancy tricks. He wasn't doing anything that was beyond what his limited training taught him. He merely relied on the Force to help guide him in being successful at something he was already experienced at.
So he used skills that he was previously established to have, was shown learning new skills from someone experienced in using them, and then proceeded to combine those skills for a single feat that wasn't far off from something he described having done previously. Even then, he was only able to make that shot because his allies assisted him in the battle, particularly at the climax where Vader was literally one pull of the trigger away from killing him before being ambushed by Han. He only had "zero training" if you ignore everything leading up to that moment throughout the movie.
And, of course, none of that is even even taking into account the second movie, which focuses far more on his shortcomings, or the finale of the trilogy, in which those shortcomings have been tempered but are still very much present. Even still, despite his increase in experience and skill in those films, he still just barely escapes in the second and ultimately still needs to be saved in the climax of the third.
@@VenathTehN3RD LOL
I think your take on why "woke" Hollywood movies often suck was spot on.
The problem isn't progressive political ideology. It's the cynical corporate pandering lurking behind that ideology.
It's also ideology. Being woke is like being an imbecile.
It's basically "how do you do fellow libs?"
A big ol' pander bear
@@Omnywrench Just noticed this (way old) comment. If you're still listening, I would love to know what you mean by "lib". I actually, honestly don't know what stereotype you're applying to me.
@@ahobimo732 well when I say "how do you do fellow libs" I'm making a reference to the "how do you do fellow kids" meme: like that meme, I'm making a satirical jab at how corporate "wokeness" is usually little more than insincere, shallow pandering to left wing ideals like racial equality and LGBT rights, like a company selling rainbow colored merchandise while at the same time funding anti-LGBT organizations. They don't actually care about these issues, they're just trying to appeal to a demographic to get more money in the laziest way possible.
Ya know, this movie pisses me off, I was in the building a fatal school shooting took place in, and even though I escaped unharmed and in a decent headspace, I still remember the terror I felt sitting in that classroom and reading the headline "2 injured one dead".
One time I was in class and we all heard what sounded like automatic gun fire. Our teacher told us to get under our desks and there was a couple minutes where I thought “what if somebody with a gun comes in here and mows us all down” and the terror/anxiety I felt has stuck with me to this day and I will never forget it. It was only after we all found out somebody set off firecrackers in the metal trash can outside our class’ door, that was when the anxiety subsided. That feeling of helplessness is traumatic to say the least
Learning about Shapiro’s failures as a screenwriter recontextualizes all his “Hollywood hates the Right” schtick.
No Ben, they just hated you. You don’t have to make it everyone else’s problem too.
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Meow 😂
This is the modern version of hitler getting kicked out of art school
Ben Shapiro doesn't understand that most people aren't of his sort.
He’s right though
I expect Ben Shapiro to handle the subject matter of school schootings with the grace, subtlety and empathy of a sledge hammer.
A drunk, inbred sledgehammer
re: the warrior ethos - the iliad is one of my favorite books and i couldn’t help but think about it as you talked about the warrior ethos and zoe killing tristan. it reminded me of achilles killing hector in book 21, except the iliad doesn’t stop there. killing hector doesn’t “fix” achilles, it just means hector’s dead. it’s only when achilles finally properly mourns patroclus and lets go of his anger that he can find something like peace.
To add on to your point, killing Hector didn't just do nothing for Achilles, it made him arguably worse. He still had all the uncontrollable rage from the death of Patroclus, but no one alive to target it towards, and thus he began to parade Hector's corpse around the walls of Troy, calling out insults to the people behind those walls, aimlessly.
And replying to both of you: the Iliad was made literally thousands of years ago, yet it tells a more interesting and morally compelling story than Run Hide Fight ever tried to. I think it shows that civilisations actually accustomed to warfare and death in the public view take a much more sober approach when it comes to portraying its consequenses. I believe this movie relies on an utterly flawed understanding of what makes the warrior ethos an interesting story.
Fantastic observation!
Is it just me, or does the message of this movie appear to be "Murder is actually good if the killer is one of the good guys"? That seems like the point of the ending to me.
its the idea that libertarians have (and hollywood is constantly reinforcing, as well) that vigilante jusctice is sometimes the only way. a complete disregard of the reality that if one were to ever enact vigilante justice where someone was hurt or killed, they would be absolutely an enemy of the state and hunted down. not given a handshake
I know I'm 2 years late to this video, but I want you to know how valuable and good your critique of film literacy is, and how insightful your research and thoughts are on film media. Media literacy is lost on a lot of "movie review" channels and I'm always thoroughly impressed with how much substance and care you put into your videos.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it :)
It still flabbergasts me that "Die Hard but it's a school shooting" was taken seriously enough to be put into fruition. What a horrible, horrible world we inhabit.
You just reminded me that Will Wheaton and Sean Astin once starred a film that was basically "Die Hard in a school" called _Toy Soldiers_ ... it was rightfully forgotten
What struck me was when this reviewer remarked on an "*obviously* bullet-proof window."
What sort of country do you live in where school windows being bullet-proof is standard.
I can, off the top of my head, think of at least five other places I would rather have a "Die Hard but in an X" movie set. A bank. A casino. A secret underground vault. A vegan grocery store. A warehouse for a company that sells suspiciously spacious ventilation shafts. Literally *anything* that isn't "a school".
I'd actually be fine with that premise in a vacuum but when NRA-loving shitheels make the movie it kinda feels more like watching kids fight in the Colosseum they've created than actually showing innocent heroes triumphing over villains.
@@Mario_Angel_Medina listen, I have NOT forgotten about the kindness of Archer, the Emissary of the Gorgonites.
As an ex ben shapiro guy, this is an absolute >banger< of a vid. People like you are why I became normal.
Welcome back! Society is glad to have you. :)
Welcome back. Being a normie isn't so bad. One of the biggest perks is not having to be angry at everyone with functional empathy.
Good for you brother, may you be a caring person and have a good time in this life. Take care.
im proud of you man, leaving that shit is hard
I dipped my toes into the "Shapiro Destroys Liberal [EPIC]" content-slop rabbit-hole and I got pretty freaked out when I stopped laughing for the right reason (read: irony). I 100% can understand how someone can get sucked into that culture, and I'm sure it wasn't easy getting out. Proud you man, and best wishes to you
I remember being told that if this happened to me- if a shooter was going around 1 by 1 killing children who answered yes to "Do you believe in Jesus" and letting the ones who said no live- that we students should all say yes and sacrifice our lives and go to heaven for Jesus. This we were told at the Catholic 'Sunday school' (CCD)
Well I mean ... Jesus did exist historically, so it's not really something you can just "not believe in". Whether or not he was literally god though is a different question.
Nope. He didnt.@@parallax256
@@parallax256 Probably. Can't be entirely certain because Jesus wasn't really well-known until long after his death, and the earliest texts are based on oral traditions. It's certainly plausible that there was a historic Jesus, a single man who started the cult that would one day become the world's most successful religion. It's even possible that he was condemned by Roman authorities after a show-trial and killed by crucifixion - such things happened quite often, first-century Judea was not politically stable and there were a number of revolts against Roman control. But there's no surviving direct record of that trial, so... who knows? Maybe, maybe not, doesn't really matter.
@@vylbird8014 Yeah, fair point.
Bone Tomahawk is an incredibly profound movie. Like . . . the day I saw Bone Tomahawk was the last day I ate meat.
I can't help but laugh when I think about the director's right-hand leaning . . . because his movie engendered in me a deeper understanding of empathy towards all living beings. It turned me into a soy-boy.
Helluva sentence there
More long pig for us
@@lorenzodicapo6305 do you think soy boys taste better than the other kinds of boys?
@@xBINARYGODxvegetarians definitely taste better than meat eaters. People don't eat carnivorous animals, usually only herbivores, or omnivores kept from eating animals. Eating people who eat meat can give you vitamin A poisoning.
@xBINARYGODx Probably! It's like how vegans are very tasty, that's the true reason we want others to go vegan. 100% vegan fed human, humanely raised, yum! :)
We need people, who aren't political, to make political movies with themes conservatives like.
How does that man even function? He can't even speak a few sentences without contradicting himself.
That’s because you don’t understand what he’s saying. He’s saying that the content in Hollywood caters to a certain crowd which pollutes opinions in and out of the film Industry. We need people who are not motivated to prove a message, to instead apply a thought process equivalent to a logical perspective. We need people who are not politically motivated to make movies a bigger audience can enjoy.
Does that make sense to you? I know he can talk a little too fast sometimes.
@darrenmorales3885 This comment is so old yet it still pisses me off so bad lmao. You're being so smug but you're literally saying nothing. Being conservative IS BEING POLITICAL lmfaoo you people are so aggravating. It's like you all just talk just to be saying something without even thinking about if what you're saying makes any fucking sense. Then try to make it seem like others are being illogical because they aren't suffering from the same level of cognitive dissonance that you all somehow categorize as "logic". It's asinine.
@@darrenmorales3885 except Ben is politically motivated, the fuck u talking about.
@@darrenmorales3885u mean ben shappy? oftentimes when someone is hard to understand when they are explaining something its because they aren’t explaining it well bc they dont know what they’re talking about. parroting info that someone else posted online actually makes it seem more so like you have no understanding of the system.
@@darrenmorales3885 If that is indeed the case then he failed. Because he would literally be doing the exact thing he's trying to fight against.
Y'know, just that he's a conservative.
And somehow it's okay when he does it? Lol, what does that say about you?
This is one of, if not the single best breakdowns of conservativism, Hollywood, propaganda, rhetoric, what have you I have ever seen. Absolutely outstanding work, thank you.
Thanks so much :)
I might have just misunderstood this comment but you’re not saying Hollywood spreads conservative propaganda are you?
@@themorbidzoo I'm currently a senior in college studying these exact same trends in contemporary art and literature and the in depth analysis you give in this video is completely on par with the actual scholarship out there. This is the type of stuff I would expect from someone like Susan Sontag how are you not employed in academia?
I live in the UK, and the only time I ever hear about school shootings is when America has another one. I have to say that I agree with your assessment of the idea of making a movie such as this. It almost put me in mind of the South Park episode, where Sharon loses her shit over school shootings, and then when SP elementary has its own, she absolutely (naturally) goes bananas. All the other adults just assume she is on her period, and being over emotional.
Through the episode, Sharon is continually trying to get people to understand the seriousness of the situation to no avail. Only to be finally resolved in accepting the 'mundanity' of the shooting, as if it's just another Tuesday in April.
This is America, This is an American disease. No other way to put it really.
The UK hasn't seen a school shooting since 1996. Following that shooting the government passed a 1997 act which almost entirely prohibited the private ownership of guns and ammunition. And since than, not a single school shooting. And very little gun crime overall. Turns out that gun control actually works.
I find it funny how it's always the conservatives who complain about female main characters who seem to have superhuman capabilities for no reason but when it's THEIR movie it's suddenly a good thing
Atomic Blonde was nothing like James Bond. It was quite good, because of how visceral and real it portrayed a fight scene where someone actually runs out of breath, gets tired, gets injured and it affects how they fight, gets scared of loosing and needs to stop and assess the situation all during a fight where life and death is at stake, and the person they are fighting feels a similar way. I think it's one of the best films ever made in terms of a real fight being portrayed. She wasn't this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relatable.
He's straight up just mad that they made an action movie with a woman. I liked atomic blonde lol
@@No_Vax_Covid_Gift_Giver That is not what I said. Perhaps you need to re-read
@@No_Vax_Covid_Gift_Giver maybe not vaxing affected your reading skills :D
@@No_Vax_Covid_Gift_Giver I'm pretty perceptive, and I've always been pretty confident in my English skills, and I'm still really struggling to figure out how this was what you took away from what they wrote. Have you been referred to as... "simple" before? Or maybe "dim?" That would go a long way toward easing my mind about this. You're an enigma.
"She wasn't this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relatable."
Two ways to read this: She _wasn't_ [this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes and was completely relateable]
vs: She _wasn't_ [this invincible protagonist who didn't make mistakes] and _was_ [completely relateable]
It's clear the anti-vaxxer guy read it the first way, and everyone else (correctly) interpreted it the second. But it _is_ ambiguous. For clarity, I'd simply add the word 'instead' before 'completely relateable'.
It's so weird watching anyone say that they KNOW their product is perfect and it's the consumers that are wrong.
My least favorite Action subgenre:
“Die Hard, but in [insert random location]”
Except now, it also is there to use real dead children as marketing
Its so funny how they say "nobody wants to see diverse main characters" and "Hollywood makes these movies to appease the woke" as if those statements don't directly contradict themselves
The first statement is a generalization that means 'The broad movie-going audience does not want to see *artificially-diverse* main characters'. As in, white producers/directors/writers making movies about POCs the way THEY want to portray POCs. Audiences love Jordan Peele's movies, despite them being full of black people, because audiences don't care about race; they want to see a well-made story with solid, universal themes. And, yes, Hollywood makes woke movies to appeal to the woke. Woke people tend to be wealthy white people who love to bitch about how bad _other_ white people are. Woke people make woke movies so they can pat themselves on the back and say, 'All of our opinions are right. We're the GOOD people.' Any time *anyone* makes fiction, and their focus is on politics more than story and character and craft, it's insufferable. No audience likes being nagged. Especially not by people who never examine their own morals.
BTW, I'm not saying the right is exempt from this at all. I'm old enough to remember that, all this current woke stuff is a cultural response to the stifling, repressive 'family values' conservatism of the 80s.
It's kinda like "woke" just means "anything that doesn't fit my conservative beliefs or that makes me feel uncomfortable"
It is a contradictory statement to us but also to be fair they don’t consider poc and other minorities to be people.
I was going to say they don’t consider poc to be people worth catering to, but no, straight up, I think sometimes poc are just subhumans to them, as if we’re dogs who belong at the bottom of a food chain. Or a strict immutable hierarchy. This is why any attempt to cater to a minority audience is seen as ignoring what the people really want. There’s an unspoken bracket after “people” that says (the people who really matter, anyway). This is also why any advancement a minority can do in the hierarchy to better themselves, get an opportunity, or even just get the smallest win od finally getting movies that have them in mind as the target audience, MUST be artificial to conservatives, we must inherently be taking the place of someone more deserving of that spot. We have to be manipulating the way things SHOULD be. Because there’s no changing a hierarchy. A hierarchy is just nature (Or other times it’s put in place by god).
(Seriously, realizing this is just how conservatives think and the often pseudo-religious logic behind this line of thinking has made everything so much clearer to me)
Then in this movie the hero is a teenage girl with a black boyfriend.
@@R0SE727 that makes so much sense omg
The concept of someone coming in from a van and going "Hey, we're here to shoot up the school." Just shows how unattached and deluded the Dailywire is on all of this.
This isn't meant to be a drama.
The elephant from 2003 nailed this.
that long Shapiro clip at the start was so genuinely painful to try to sit through
"School shooter Fan Fiction" is the best tern I've heard used to describe this tripe.
Great video.
Dude literally said "we need to make people more conservative" and then said the movie they bankrolled to achieve that isn't propaganda
It's because they either believe or want their audience to believe that "propaganda" is only posters of Lenin or like, Triumph of the Will. Americans have a very poor understanding of propaganda and as long as itxs kept that way, Ben and his friends can broadcast right-wing propaganda without anyone calling it out as such.
Good old doublespeak on their part. Again.
@@MegaFrog98 People have a very negative association of propaganda. America has made the whole "we're the good guys" thing super easy to not understand it at all, considering saying "we're the good guys" is in itself propaganda. Anything that influences a person to think positively or hold pride in it is propaganda. USA is a huge purporter of propaganda for itself.
All countries do it to some extent, but some aren't as creepy or dogmatic about it. National Pride is a advent of propaganda at work. To have it at all in the way shows that it works.
Speaking as someone who left the USA and now lives elsewhere. My current country has some nationalism, but not much. Tends to get worse when things get scary, as it always does. I have none. I want whatever country I live in to do better, to be as good as it can. I'm happy when it takes steps to do so and unhappy when it does not. I hold no pride in something I don't choose.
The movie was made beforehand without the Daily Wire, but DW distributed it afterwards.
Them bankrolling the film itself is a bit of an exaggeration, although DW did allude to it as part of culture war marketing.
I also think that the word „propaganda“ is so loaded that he just hopes his audience won’t notice what it actually means.
Every time I hear people try to redefine propaganda, there are two things I think of. The first is the shock I felt when I heard that the Nazis had a „Propaganda Minister“ because I didn’t realize that the word has only become so loaded because people became conscious of blatant propaganda.
The second was my visceral reaction to seeing something I sort of agreed with on a subreddit for propaganda. I was very good at realizing that the things I disagreed with on the sub were blatant propaganda, but when I agree with the point it was trying to make, I no longer wanted the „persuasive poster employing narrative techniques to make a point“ to be just as much propaganda as the poster I could see a clear fearmongering.
I learnt to reflect on these things. The daily wire has a vested interest in making sure their viewers don’t.
sometimes i think ben shapiro starts speaking and then forgets what he’s saying and just says “conservative” “liberal” “politics”
you speak so clearly i didnt even realize i forgot to turn on captions
i hate how political in some peoples mind is "anything that i don't find normal" like a movie about a bunch of straight and cis people isn't political but for some reason a movie about queer and trans people is very political because apparently being a person is political if you dissagree with their personhood
Anytime anyone says “The world went Left and I stayed here” i feel a deep rage. I just will never understand the conservative urge to never progress, it makes these people out to be the biggest cowards in the world and yet they wear it as a badge of pride.
But what is your idea of progress? Genuine question because I’ve never actually gotten a good answer.
@ulysses58599 oh you’re *definitely not conservative* you’re making a great case of that
@@dylantoney6971I want so badly to answer their question and yet I don’t dare.
@@mst3kharris I actually want to know, I’m not trying to be insulting, it was a genuine question, but you guys prove time and time again that you can’t answer the question.
@@mst3kharris typical of the left, and typical of the right. Thats why I’m an independent, you are both assholes. And the majority of both the left and rights policies are just completely idiotic. But again, I didn’t expect much, this is the response I get every time and it is no surprise anymore.
The phrase “I’ve never seen local law enforcement brought to its knees by a house fire and a small brushfire” is the funniest way to word it I laughed hysterically. Subbed immediately
I baaaaasically came to the comments to share the same sentiment. I say, "baaaasically," because I didn't even make it THAT far into the video: just the fact that Law Enforcement Officers have wound up being depicting as inept by Back The Blue(/Thin Blue Line) TYPE people...was hilarious enough for me to pause the video and check the comments to see if anyone else had observed this partial dissonance.
(I say, "partial," because who KNOWS what values/principles such folks TRULY hold within the core of their being?? I can at least ADMIT to having certain values that come into contradiction with others, to one extent or another, but such conflicts can be resolved because sometimes one principle should just be allowed to take precedent over another. Meanwhile, [rant redacted for time/length] they'll end up, as is the case here, not even factoring IN how several of their beliefs/principles (SHOULD) interconnect.)
Only a year later, we’d learn that the movie didn’t require the villains to a sleight of hand to distract the cops from the school. If the cops had been totally available, they’d still just hang out outside the school and let the events play out.
40:47 can't get over that shapiro used "atomic blonde" as an example of "bad woman movie womaning" while that movie is made by the exact same director
"atomic blonde is a response to james bond" Really threw me and my wife for a loop.
RIGHT!?
I think that she could kick Bond's behind. But the film was really an answer to John Wick. There were plans for a John Wick/Atomic Blonde crossover.
Yes, its baffling because of how different from the typicall Bond movie "Atomic Blonde" is. It would be more appropiate to compare it to Jason Bourne, and even then there's a lot of other very notable differences aside from "the main character is a woman". I think Ben Shapiro only namedropped James Bond because it is a recognizable spy character from "the good old days"
I'm a 4th year medical student. I was admonished by a patient the other day for not 'thanking him for his service.' It got me thinking. I have a personal chip on my shoulder against the DoD, and I find unnecesary (ie., invasion, starting one, etc) to be one of the most morally abhorrent aspects of the human condition. Did the man make me any safer, more free? I fail to see how invading Mogadishu, or Iraq, or Vietnam, for that matter helped me or any other citizen in the slightest. So the question is: do I behave inauthentically just to shmooze a broken solider? Or do I not? I can empathize with vets, but like I said, I have a chip. Killing people IS and SHOULD be abhorrent. I think it'd be a lot easier though if the killee deserved it for some reason.
Most ppl who I know who have served get uncomfortable when people “thanking them for their service”. I don’t think that you owe it to anyone to thank them for their service, especially someone you don’t know who hasn’t really done anything for you. I’m sure that person thinks taking a knee during our National anthem is evil too, although I’m sure he would say he fought for our right to freedom of belief/speech
He should thank you for your service of saving other people's lives
my father is military, but hes always taught me to only thank the ones who actually did something for my wellbeing. he's worked with many men and women who used the fact they were in the military to basically flex on others in a twisted way, and he always told me to be wary of the ones who cant go a single conversation without mentioning how great they are and how thankful we should be for THEM. we dont treat vets well, a lot of them have gone through HELL and lost more than we ever could, and i dont think that being involved in war means ur a horrific person, because in times like that, a lot of the, were forced to go, but the people who use those horrible incidents to boast are 100% horrific. if you meet someone who boasts about their time in, lets say, iraq or vietnam, there is a huge chance theyre going to be the worst person you will ever meet, but that doesnt mean every soldier who had to go is that way.
Anyone I know who's served don't like when people thank them because they feel weird and don't know how to respond. They did it for tuition or for the money, not because they wanted people to thank them.
Your patient sounds like a jerk.
I remember a British soldier who received a major medal from the King. As he stood there, a look of embarrassment on his face, feeling as though he really didn't deserve it since he was only getting the decoration there on the drill field because he was the sole survivor of his squad, the King gave him a look which seemed to say, "I'm only here as a stand-in for a lot of people, too, you know. Sometimes I find it embarrassing, too. We just have to get through this with dignity for the sake of all of them."
If this exact same film had been made in Hollywood, Shapiro would have complained about the fact that the main character is a girl, and she loves a black boy. He would have bashed it for woke propaganda.
That’s false and you know it.
@@concernedcommenter8258found the shapiro defender lmao
@@concernedcommenter8258 LMAO. he's done it before, bud.
@@concernedcommenter8258 You're a 60 year old virgin, I just know it.
'my ennemies are on twitter, attacking me 24/7' Yeah, that seems to be the average experience on twitter
I love the movie 1917 because I think it very explicitly creates a story which nothing can be learned from, the innocent idealist is killed and the already battle-exhausted cynic survives yet another horror show because war is an inhumane place. It recognizes that the static nature of warrior idealogy is the result of systemic dehumanization and glorified violence.
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Women have always been the primary victims of war
I really feel llke the "good guy with a gun" narrative died in Uvalde. This movie sneers at the idea that one deserves to live in peace even if they don't have the power to do so. "Oh, you're depending on the police to protect you? Sheep!" And I think this is why this makes so many people uncomfortable, as you pointed out: the average person can't murder. Most mass shooting victims are more likely to hurl themselves in front of bullets to protect others than attack a gunman. And especially when grade school children are involved, LIKE in Uvalde, the idea that someone could fight back is pure fiction.
I've just heard a lot more "it's the price of freedom, libtard" more than "good guy with a gun" ever since.
They literally cannot decide on a narrative to push. It's either "If you want to defund them, next time you need help, call a crackhead not the police" or "Why would you rely on the police".
In the military, we have active shooter training at least once a year. In that training, we're explicitly told NOT to be a hero and go after the gunman unless under extremely specific circumstances. We're always taught to lock and barricade doors, turn off all lights and to hide, and if you're able to escape the building, use an exit that is unseen and take shelter in another building. So you're right. People fighting back during these scenarios is unlikely and definitely not smart and lowers your chance of survival.
Hey you’re the guy that person got really mad at for no reason in the comment section of that video about the Columbine mom
More like people that think that can just live in peace are delusional, and there is always bad guys with a gun. Even if the government banned all guns that just means the government is the bad guys with guns.
@@vulpesmacrotis1990 Boy I got it from both ends in that thread. "You're from Texas and normalizing gun culture!? Fuck you!" "You believe in common sense gun control!? Fuck you!"
I think the most amusing take was the guy coming after me about how Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have an illegal gun, despite being a MINOR. He kept moving the goalposts about how if Rittenhouse had filed off the serial numbers on his gun, oooh, boy, then he would have really been in trouble after killing two people!
This came out while I was in highschool, and watching that trailer IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL made my heart drop and my blood boil. I never saw the movie itself, but its EXISTENCE has sat heavy in my brain since it came out. Im commenting this before finishing the video so if you make this point I apologize, but the idea of a movie placing the responsibility of stopping a school shooting on a CHILDS shoulders is INSANE- we should not be telling kids to run back in the building and be a hero!! So many days I spent terrified after threats were made, comforting friends and younger students. To see that be made into an action movie made me want to scream
I’m watching this video after your discussion of The Sound of Freedom. The total whiplash I got from Ben Shapiro saying “there’s a reason why people look at you, if you don’t like these movies, as if your a bad person” and then realizing that that’s what Ben’s audience did for those who didn’t like Sound of Freedom is wild.
I actually liked the rachel's challenge assemblies as a kid, just because it was a good way to develop my incredibly late (autism, abuse, other shit) emotional development and empathy skills. Also, because it made it so whenever my admittedly very, very troubled kid brain wanted to do something like that at the school, I'd remember the rachel's challenge stuff and chill out. Glad it hadn't turned into weird christian soapboxing like another comment said, at least not while they still ran them at my middle school.
This movie honestly feels like the opposite fantasy I'd have where the fifteen year old Moondust would heroically save the school from the school shooters and be showered in praise. What a weird movie.
the way my school went about it made it seem like Rachel had killed herself and that’s literally what i thought up until a year or two ago😀
Two things about the movie that bother me are when the dad fires into the school and kills a school shooter, and the ending where the girl hunts down and tortures the big bad.
First, the dad's part reeks of that power fantasy conservatives have after a mass shooting, where they would've put their plot armour on, drove over and effortlessly killed all the bad guys (which they say from the safety of their armchairs). None of them think about the ramifications of yet another random person with a gun rocking up to a mass shooting scene with warped ideas of what they're doing, not to mention that it's nowhere that easy to fight and take a life like that.
Second, the girl's final scene is a huge waste of potential - just think of how psychologically scarred this girl is that she becomes as sadistic as he, albeit in a pay evil unto evil way. Now think about what could've been done instead, like her realising how far she's fallen, or that she went after the wrong guy because the big bad had already shot himself and she mistook another kid for him.
I know I'm very late to this, but as a historian of childhood in the US, I loved your conversation on reframing propaganda. It reflected a lot of what I do in my own work.
Ohhhh the writing on this video is excellent
Thank you queen 🙏🏼❤️
"Atomic Blonde was essentially James Bond."
Yes, and James Bond is a representation of an archetype and role that existed before James Bond. The creator of James Bond didn't invent all secret agent / spy movies. A basic attempt at understanding what connects the human race would wildly flip this man's world view.
You would think that conservatives, people who like to continue doing the same thing over and over cause resistance to change is literally in their ethos, would not mock remaking the same essential story over and over. Oh wait. It has a woman as the lead instead of the man so now it's "woke". Not sexist at all.
Also she did an AMAZING job on those fight scenes. I feel like I could watch them all day and just sit back and appreciate how well she does them. All idiots like Shapiro see is "woman fighting bad!"
James Bond was a massive development in spy/action stories, and it sparked a 'spy craze' in the 60's and everything since then, about a slick super-competent person fighting baddies, lives in the shadow of James Bond.
There were precursors to Bond, but spy work was grubby and sneaky before Bond, rather than glamorous and larger-than-life.
Especially when Atomic Blonde is a lot more of a John Le Carre homage with action beats, and Le Carre is famously wildly different from Ian Fleming’s work in tone and atmosphere, something which becomes super obvious in how Atomic Blonde is written and filmed, its not just gritty Bond its an extremely brutal realistic cold-war world, but yeah John Wick, Bond, are inspirations, though funnily enough David Leitch directed both Wick and Atomic Blonde. Also its fucking hilarious that ATOMIC BLONDE is the big sticking point of ‘look how political these woke liberals are’ when that movie was seriously the opposite, without any corporate pandering, just awesome action by a spy, I mean he could’ve named star wars or any Disney property but he named one of the best action films of 2017
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I hope they make Yasmin Finney the next 007 - Janet/Jamie Bond - a black trans woman!
I would probably end up drowning in the huge amount of popcorn I would have to make to watch the Ben Shapiros, Matt Walshes, Jordan Petersons, Steven Crowders of this world melting in rage…..
i love how they go hard against the new charles angels, when all versions of charles angels were basically female james bond, but now women have colored shor thair, so it must be more woke than the previous movies@@GuineaPigEveryday
Oh I think I see. A takeaway I hadn’t considered. These people, listen far too much to their inner story teller. It’s the voice in all humans that says “man, I bet I’d do great in an action movie,if I got mugged, if I found a magic book, if a school shooting happened “. heck, I didn’t need this movie, IVE COME UP WITH THE PLOT. On my own. When I was little! I was always internally Embarrassed about it though, because I REALIZED it was inappropriate and not real.
Do the Directors! Not have that filter?
No they do not. Pretty common among conservative cis men and anyone else who was never forced to grow up lol
I find that's one of the key points of how mature you can tell someone is: when they see an action movie, or a disaster movie, who do they see themselves in?
The example I always use is the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan: I'm always leery of anyone who is absolutely convinced they'd be one of the guys making it off of the beach in that scenario, and not one of the people who dies horribly before reaching the cliffs. It's not unique to conservatives, but conservatives in particular seem to really suffer from Main Character Syndrome.
@@themorbidzoo :(
@@fanboy50seeing yourself as a survivor or as someone who achieves something isn't main character syndrome.
It's just yearning for a meaning.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 no, but thinking you're above the odds or other people sure as shit is MCS.
Besides, if your "yearning for meaning" means subscribing to the childish notion that you're somehow divinely favored, then MCS and "yearning for meaning" need not be mutually-exclusive.
They would know that Atomic Blonde is not just female James Bond if they actually watched the movie
I have never been so quickly convinced of a person's brilliance as I have been watching a couple of videos from your channel. Absolutely phenomenal work.
“We need to take liberals and allow them to see a conservative point of view!” I think having it forced down my throat several times a day while I just try to exist is enough, personally.
I got two extremely right wing ads while watching this video alone. I keep blocking them but they keep coming back.
Oh no, you gonna be okay sweetheart?@@DimaRakesah
@@DimaRakesahI never used to watch youtube shorts but recently i started watching them more frequently and just got BOMBARDED with far-right podcasts being misogynistic when absolutely none of the long-form content I watch would indicate I'd want to watch that. I had to explicitly say "don't recommend this" like 15 times before they finally stopped showing up, and I still get the crazy right wing ads. It's honestly crazy how much social media platforms promote this stuff while people like ben shapiro are out here railing against the "liberal agenda" of all these platforms 🙄
@@rediz5557 i recommend getting a channel blocker extension, it has made CZcams usable for me.
@@rediz5557 get over yourself
I live in some random european village and I'm not into politics at all so I don't engage with political content. I just so happen to know the daily wire because my sister is really right wing for some reason and tells me all about it (and also because of ben shapiro's heavy presence in meme culture). I think you are absolutely terrifying. My only exposure to politics has been from a conservative perspective but then here you are just making good points and spitting facts for fifty minutes straight.
TL;DR you're very well spoken and scary and your channel will get hundreds of thousands of views and subscribers like really soon
😂 To be “well-spoken and scary” is my only aspiration in life, thanks!
You don’t need to be scary to tear apart Right wing politics and Ben shapiro you just need a brain but I agree this content creator is exceptional and very badass
Best comment! :D
This is probably the best CZcams comment I’ve seen in a while
She's an intellectually handicapped person bud
It’s so incredibly funny in retrospect hearing you say you can’t wait to see what they put out next considering they later put out Lady Ballers.
What’s crazy is that Zoe works as a Zahler character. In every one of his movies, she fits the unrealistic revenge archetype. And I can see why, at surface level, Dallas attached his name to this project. Zoe being a child doesn’t affect the rest of the movie. It’s the fact that rest of the movie is so grounded in reality. To really sell violence at this scale, you have to approach it with an insane level of absurdity. Like the final scene is the catharsis you would expect from an over-the-top revenge flic, but it feels too close to home the rest of the movie. You CAN make a school shooting action film, just as you can make a film highlighting the violent catch 22 we subject incarcerated felons to. BUT you have to make it a personal revenge story. There were so many other innocent victims in this film that were not related directly to the protagonist. And the villains, though one of them fits the proper archetype, were boring! Boo!
And right-wing marketing inherently ruined this movie’s meaning.
A point (that I thought you were leading to) when you talked about how the lead girl seems to act like a burly hardened marine - she's a self insert for the films' target audience. In the same way that Bella in Twilight is a generic teenage girl trying to fit in, to appeal to all the teen girls trying to fit in that those books and movies appealed to, the lead girl in this movie is a burly hardened army shoot em up type, to appeal to all the grown adult men who like guns who will watch this movie.
lol masks
And those who want to marry an "all American mini-marine" Highschool girl!
Don’t forget that Matt Walsh insist that the only problem with Highschool girls getting pregnant is that they’re not married yet!
there's no fricking way Ben Shapiro doesnt think he's a mastermind of 100s of layers of irony
I really can't help it, every time I hear Ben Shapiro's voice, I wonder if it's been sped up. I can't believe that's really how he talks.🤔
The Daily Wire isn't a person. It can't have a conscience. The people that work for it do. It would be silly to think otherwise. They don't think they are evil. That's the issue. They think they are the good guys.
The more you explained the way the main character is written, the more I realized they made one of those assassin high school stories I see on wattpad of edgy kids killing each other as a school assignment or whatver.
Assassination Classroom, it’s an anime that probably inspired those Wattpads 😂
@@jdbruce?? Assassination classroom they're not trying to kill anyone besides their teacher? And also the teacher is an alien monster who is threatening to destroy the whole entire world. And the teacher actually teaches different School subjects like science, math and stuff like that. The only "assassination training" they get is from a government goun that uses gym time as training. That's something completely different than those stories. In fact the person that they're trying to kill actually wants them to succeed in their academics and cares for them as students. There is a whole entire plot point of one of the characters strapping a grenade to themselves to kill the teacher. If it was inspired by those stories the teacher would be proud but no, that's not what happens. The teacher actually gets incredibly furious that they would even think about doing something that reckless and stupid. It's not even an action anime, it's literally a comedy, where most of the attempts don't work and fail in funny fashion. It sounds like you just saw a few clips and heard the name and judged it just by that.
The entire fire department is called out over a fire in an isolated shed.
I suppose in a really small town it could work. But that's a pretty big school for such a small town.
Did Benny Shap really just say "too much media is political" AND THEN QUITE LITERALLY GO "and because of this we're making the political decision to make movies too"?????
Oh, and also - pulverising a movie with a clear passion, like in this essay, is what makes me subscribe. Your writing is very compelling!
liked and subscribed fr, this was an excellently written and researched commentary! what I love more than video essays is finding new video essayists on yt to add to my hoard
I'm a big fan of folding ideas, but I always wanted more content like his. I'm so happy I found your channel. gonna binge
Flattering comparison, thanks 😊
Not gonna lie... I had no intention of watching more than five minutes of this video. Thought I'd pop in, get the gist in the intro, roll my eyes at the movie, and call it a day. 46 minutes and 55 seconds later, I find that not only did I watch (and thoroughly enjoy) the whole video, but am genuinely likely to watch it again for further examination... Well thought-out, produced, presented... Well done!
Thank you ☺️
Me too
This is a great vid! I think the only thing I disagree with is the title/description. You tore the movie apart from every angle, but I don't think you made the case for it being a comedy. Congrats on 100k! I'm so glad to have recently found your channel!
Thank you for mentioning that politics are inevitable in art. I could say both "Dirty Harry" and Taxi Driver" had a similar plot (vigilante with a gun), but from different perspectives. The former skews more authoritarian with the police officer who goes outside the law and cuts down on crime by being a singular judge, jury, and executioner. The latter is more of a character study of a deeply war-scared man whose violence is rooted by trauma and mental illness. Great job on this video.
I feel that even Dirty Harry is a bit of a character-study of a cop who uses extreme methods, rather than a two-dimensional action film advocating for teachers/security-guards to carry guns in schools. And even Harry Callaghan wasn't killing teenagers.
@@GregOrCreg You can make an argument that Dirty Harry is a condemnation of that kind of cop a different points too, but the film seems confused on what point it was making IMO.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone Which film? Dirty Harry, or this? I like Dirty Harry but maybe it helps that I was born after the film. Plus, the villain in the film seems relatively removed from reality, whereas school shootings are a common occurence, and, once again, involve *kids*.
@@GregOrCreg Dirty Harry is what i meant. There are points that both seem like condemnation of that kind of cop and a celebration of that kind of cop.
@@Two-ToneMoonStone True, but I think that's what makes it more sophisticated than a piece of trash like this film.
This is the equivalent of Ben trying to fix the smell of a pile of shit by vomiting on it.
Great video! I always thought that the main character felt so out of place and now that you mention shes written like a retired marine it is so clear to me.
Cant wait for the sequel:
2 Hide 2 Fight
Run Hide Fight: Nebraska Drift
@@themorbidzoo Run hide fight and paul blart mall cop would make for an amazing crossover movie
Run 3: run run run
She will be a Liberty University student who either has to avert an antifa attack or discover that the new memer of the Christian Student Union who is helping them plan an attack on a pride parade secretly works for the FBI.
"Just Fight"
Whales are a kind of fish in a way, just like we are, because taxonomically speaking you can't evolve out of a clade. This means that all land vertebrates technically highly evolved fish
That flick always gave me the vibe of, "what if Columbine, but politically useful... again!"
The filmmakers aren't without talent, but ultimately their product just feels like a cynical, cowardly insult to people who have to live with the people the Daily Wire indulge in creating.
... anyway, great work on this! My first video of yours, and drove an instant subscribe!
dont joke about columbine
@@detective2221 I didn't?
@@BirdBrain1337 u did
@detective2221 alright. I'm just going to assume you're trolling, or have very poor reading comprehension. Either way, you're not my problem.
It's very telling that the story has to tie up EVERY SINGLE RESCUE PERSONNEL FOR MILES AROUND with a distraction to justify why a CHILD has to save her fellow students from school shooters. It's such a god damn fantasy. It's like someone watched Rambo and said "Gosh you know... our kids should be like that at school." and didn't for one second stop to think about how INSANE that is.
ALSO THE FIGHT SCENES IN ATOM BLONDE ARE FUCKING AMAZING AND ANYONE BOILING IT DOWN TO "oh they just made James Bond a woman" IS A FUCKING BLIND MISOGYNIST.
Only discovered this channel less than a week ago with that 'Sound of Freedom' video.
I absolutely love the analysis.
"my enemies are on twitter"
I....go to hell, sir. I am so tired of people like this
from the footage of the first three minutes alone i was thinking to myself "that is an awful lot of teenagers running around with guns" but considering this is a right wing movie it makes sense
I have so many things to say about this movie, so forgive the rant:
One other thing I think they got wrong about shootings is the very specific kind of fear for people in them. Sure, teenage white boys acting as violent political zealots is scary, but so many of the perspectives from real survivors is about fear. The waiting. The randomness of the deaths. The fact that it could be your friend, your classmate, your lab partner, who's suddenly gone from your life. The mass herds of screaming, afraid people. Being hunted down in a place you already dislike, the idea that your high school could become your grave. That’s terrifying.
But Run Hide Fight isn't about being afraid. Stories about real survivors saving lives are never about proving a political point. It's not like they wrestle the gun away from the scary conservative kid and then curb-stomp them while screaming "THIS IS FOR THE LEFT." But in Run Hide Fight it's exactly that. It's about sticking it to the bad guys and not about humans inherently wanting to protect other humans in life-or-death situations.
I think another thing that lends to Zoe's characterization as a teenage assassin is her choosing to kill the bad guys with a gun. The "Fight" part of surviving a shooting is about using what you have around you as protection-- textbooks, metal desks, etc-- to the point of some school supplies being manufactured specifically in the case of shootings (like bulletproof backpacks). If they wanted a badass warrior protagonist while still having her be a kid, it would be a much better idea to have her use school supplies and tools. That, on its own, is so dystopian that if you didn't know that it's a real thing taught to children, it almost sounds like made up symbolism.
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Home Alone style lol
This is the first video I’ve ever seen from you, but you’re such a well-spoken and thorough essayist. Well done, dude:) subscribed for sure
I'm a huge film buff and watch a LOT of film analysis. This has to be one of the best critiques I have ever seen. I'm humbled and feel stupid. Thanks.
Fantastic video, reminded me a lot of Jacob Geller's video on Call of Duty, where the creators stated Call of Duty was not political. It's such a ridiculous statement, and if anything it makes the product seem less intersting to me. Are you saying your work wasn't trying to say anything? That there was no point to it? That's obviously not the case, unless you just flick paint at a wall your art is going to have meaning you have crafted, but trying to deny that in itself implies you're scared of criticism or scared of being associated with politics.
People only ever say their work is "not meant to be political" when they don't understand how much of daily life is political. Even having the privilege to afford a car is political. And every single piece of media out there is political. Some are just more neutral than others, but political nonetheless. They're just trying to avoid harsh realities and interesting conversations.
why something being apolitical means it didnt want to say anything
@@sebakisniesebakisnie6109 I hope I can explain it well: every part of life is politics. Even just saying "kids deserve food" is political. If you don't acknowledge that, then being "apolitical" is simply saying nothing at all about life. You don't have to say "vote for this specific party" to be political.
Most interesting media has something to say. I've noticed people who insist that their media is apolitical don't understand how politics colors every viewpoint in their life, down to the characters they include (whether they have black, gay, etc characters), to the themes that unintentionally shine through their writing (even just including a scene wherein a bully gets punished for bullying, is part of anti-bullying politics).
We can't escape having opinions or letting those opinions shine through in our media, why not embrace it and make sure you're telling a story that portrays the beliefs you're interested in? It's quite wishy-washy to claim that your work is apolitical and is often just a way to defend yourself from getting criticized about the things you include in the story.
@@ettaetta439You’re 100% correct, but as a thought experiment, I wonder if the attempt to be apolitical is in itself a radical pursuit. The intent to present any portrayal of life without including the ways which it has been molested by political interests specifically is interesting to me.
Of course, I’m biased as someone who exists in an “intersection” of many politically targeted groups. I don’t like the concept of “everything is political” because people think I, a human, am political solely because I exist as I am. Everything I do, think, and say must have political implications; anything I am included in, excluded from, interested or disinterested in, so on and so forth. It’s almost as if I don’t have a right to my own existential condition because the external political circumstances are “inherent” to everything about me.
Personally, I think that politics is separate from human existence, so it’s not a fact of life that everything is inherently political. I think it’s the goal of politics, for the purposes of maintaining and obtaining power, to make everything political. Existing shouldn’t be inherently political. And I think assuming everything is inherently political invites the state to have input where it deserves none.
But, again, I don’t disagree that under the circumstances we live in, it may in fact be the reality. I’m just arguing that it may not HAVE to be the case, and in all likelihood it SHOULDN’T be. And I say that because I don’t know who gave anyone the right to make me political by default. I’m a person, not a talking point.
Unpopular idea, but maybe de-politicizing certain things will actually allow us to tackle them more effectively, because they are human issues with practical problems and solutions. Not political issues with moral quandaries to be resolved with “beliefs”. For instance. People are hungry. Feed them. This is entirely logical. Homo sapiens has survived against all odds by forming cooperative groups which ensure the survival of everyone possible within that group. It does not need to turn into, “Do they deserve to be hungry? Is it right to feed them?” That, in my opinion, is how politicization ruins things. Now you’ve introduced meritocracy and hierarchy to a simple issue of group survival, under circumstances where there is no shortage of the necessary resources. Etc, etc.
Personally, I think it would be a great experiment to see something that was deliberately apolitical rather than complacently apolitical.
@@wildersystem Of course. I completely agree with what you're saying, and I personally absolutely hate how literally all of human existence is politics.
I personally, though, decide to lean into it to point out people's inherent privilege just through existing in certain ways. It's often the only way I can get my point across to people and explain privilege or how society disadvantages people in subtle ways to people who don't understand that concept or think that bigotry is solely limited to shouting slurs.
I await the day we depoliticize human lives, but the people who use "I'm apolitical" as a way to avoid criticism of the beliefs they unintentionally put into their creation are not a good way to do it, so I criticize them for it. Thank you for such a long and insightful comment.
*Laughs in how these people think art can be apolitical.*
God damn this was a good analysis, I'm glad CZcams randomly recommended it.
"...and accidentally melted the character arc" killed me.
Congratulations to 100.000 subs! I only came back here because Run, Hide,Fight is on Prime now.
Can I just say that you are one of the best commentary channels I’ve found recently. You have all the reasonableness of some of the best left-wing channels but very little of the preachiness.
Rock on!
Thank you! That's surprising and relieving to hear given how much lecturing I do in this video. 😁
@@themorbidzoo I mean, you do lecture, but a lot of left leaning youtubers tend to very liberal with the word “fascist” and tend to interpret people on the right through that lens. You’re approach, I think, gets to the heart of the issues with some of these guys. Your video on Trump not being a fascist but rather the epitome of an American individualist is a great example of that.
@@NotBizarro When trump started trying to silence the media is when I knew he was a fascist. He is a New York socialite who desperately wanted to be a dictator. He wanted to have police shoot protestors in the legs (yes that happened). Everything bad about him was "fake news" and the media was out to get him. Republicans who didn't agree with him are "RINOs" and to be fired and ruined. Whatever term you want to use for him, it should never be "stable".