🌹 Which roses didn't make it through 2022 // Shovel-pruning
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- After caring, feeding, and pruning roses, it can be tough to decide when it is time to throw in the towel and dispose of a rose for not performing. In this video, I share how I make those tough decisions easier.
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Hello. I am a 30 plus year member and past officer holder of the Humboldt Rose Society in extreme coastal Northern Calif. Shovel pruning is a must. The cream always floats to the top. One of my rose hobby's is I have been hybridizing for over 30 years. I choose the best of the best in my garden and experiment with crosses. My goals: super strong disease resistance, unique color, prolific bloomer and fragrant. So far some of my seedlings have some of these properties but not the whole package. Two seedlings this year have beautiful stippling. They are out of (Pinkerbelle) which for me has some stippling. One is very disease resistant so far. Time will tell. Thank you for your videos.
@@TheRoseGeek Now I have to buy Bliss Parfuma. he he he. I'll ask around our society and see if anyone grows it. I only need the pollen, right? take care, thank you.
Love your videos! In my 16 years of gardening experience I have had many one cane wonders, unfortunately, a lot of them are David Austin roses. I started buying more Kordes roses and have not been disappointed! Olivia Austin is still my best performer in the DA rose world!
@@TheRoseGeek yes I planted 3 Bliss next to my Japanese Maple in my front yard last winter! I can’t wait to see how they do this year. They bloomed so well the first year so this spring should be so good!😍
LOL---I know you said "throw in the towel" in the description, but I think it should be "throw in the TROWEL" for us gardeners!!
EXCELLENT! I am getting ready to put together the next video for 2023 with at least 30 roses that have to go! Stay tuned.
I was thinking of this video yesterday and ironically it showed up in my YT feed today. I decided to shovel prune 8 underperforming roses to make room for some of my babies I added last year. Also adding dahlias to the flower bed.
There was a LOS (1 of 3) I considered to be dead. I was filling out a David Austin replacement form and needed to get a photo of the LOS cadaver. Imagine my surprise to see a bunch of basal breaks at the base. The little rascal must have known of my plans to stuff it in a body bag. 🤣 Thankfully it is own root. All the best to you and Ken! Gregory from the OC
Thank you for sharing. I love personal experiences and feedbacks like yours. They really help us less experienced rose growers. Looking forward to more wonderful videos from you. ❤
Same here with the At Last rose. In three years it barely grew but the canes are so thin that the couple of blooms break off from rain. It gave two flowers last year that broke from rain the next day, and I think that was about it. Yeap, it goes. Wish I could ask my money back .
So glad I am not the only one that couldn't get "At Last" to grow! Thank you for watching.
Love this. Needed this ❤
I always learn new things about roses from you. And it’s bringing great joy to life. Thanks
Insightful video Kimberely! This is a realistic and sensible approach to gardening. Depending on the rose I will give some mercy but poor performers simply must go. I just don't have the space and there are many up and coming roses AND old garden varieties I wish to try.
I liked this video alot. I try to explain this to my husband. Some roses just don't do well. I got a Mary rose sadly its just not doing well. I keep telling my husband it's poor rootstock and I'll have to pull it next season if it doesn't improve but honestly I don't expect it to. The canes are so thin and it hasn't grown alot since getting it last year. Mary was my first ever DA when I started growing roses back in 2015. I had moved so when I got to this house I wanted another. That first one i had was extremely healthy and didn't have blackspot at all. I only lost one rose this year so not doing too bad.
I love this woman; rose queen!
I love Comte de Chambord! Devine fragrance 🤤
Mine struggles with black spot here near Houston, and was near death. I’ve had her in a pot for a few years and she’s doing much better. 💕
Loved the information in this video 🫶
Try New Dawn climbing rose. It grows like a beast, fast, robust and healthy.
Its flowers are delicate and beautiful giving that old cottage image.
I admire and love strong plants that bloom without fuss and have a strong will of living and blooming.
I can't wait to see mine in bloom.
I bought bag $5 roses from Menarards and they did amazing!
Great video. Gives me more strength to get rid of those that aren't "bringing me joy". I only have so much room in my designated rose garden. I have 127 roses and all are only in their 2nd season. so next year will be their third years and I will be making some decisions. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject. It's empowering! Of course, I have a bunch of new roses coming next spring! lol
Very helpful information. I do have a one cane wonder and it’s been very challenging and discouraging thinking I failed but after watching your video it helps to know that some roses just don’t do well. So thank you!
I guess I've been lucky with Munstead wood- planted two this spring and have had 4 flushes-- they have loved the Texas heat.
I'm in zone 9A and this year only my At Last roses thrived during the summer. Bloomed for me all year long.
Munstead rose was still blooming in November. Lovely.
Have a The pilgrim from wayside, took 5yrs to see first flower this summer. I'm keeping it, for I invested so much time and patience in it.
Thank you for sharing I don't feel so bad that some of my roses didn't make it or are not thriving
Oh my! You're much more methodical in your decision-making process than I, and I will give them those three years if they're trying to live, but ultimately it comes down to how much work do I want to invest in a rose that isn't producing.
I've been growing roses avidly for about 30 years I'm in the mild Willamette Valley of Oregon, where roses thrive.
Here is my general list of failures here. I have never had good luck with striped roses, and roses that are considered "blue" or "lavender". I've lost Blue Girl repeatedly. I'm not a fan of Ketchup and Mustard due to how spindly the canes are and the ones I have tried almost look like miniature roses. I cannot grow a white rose no matter how many different varieties I have tried. My Heirloom rose is magnificent every year!
I live very close to Heirloom Roses and I have had very good luck buying from them. In one single growing season my two Eden Climbers that I ordered from them bare root last spring was able to completely cover my porch railings and produce the most magnificent blooms! It was a repeat bloomer for me.
I will be trying Lady of Shallot next season. I highly recommend a new rose variety "Love at First Sight". It has been the best addition to my formal rose garden! It blooms all season with the most stunning blooms.
I have a Fiji own root, that is still blooming and never took a break since spring.
My favorite Kordes roses are South Africa and Florentina (both own root of course). Both will eventually get some blackspot at the very last couple of weeks of the season, but it's easily taken care of by removing the leaves closest to the ground.
It's just my opinion that a grafted rose will never be as healthy as an own root rose.
Thank you so much for your assessment of the roses. I appreciate you sharing your successes and failures. It is a hard call sometimes because you want them all to succeed. I bought At Last from PW. A one gallon. It is so short, but it has the perfect location and I am hoping for success. How did Lady Emma Hamilton do for you? And your drifts? I lost my James Galway this year. 😔 I will probably replace with a different climber. I agree with you about Kordes roses. They all perform beautifully. My Savannah Sunbelt from Kordes is a grand performer. I am rooting her…so far so good. I am rooting St Swithun from two cuttings and they are growing. 🙌🏼 I tried rooting Evelyn from my plant. Fail. I will try again in the spring. Thank you for your wonderful channel. You provide such amazing content. ❤️
Thanks so much for the chat! This is perfect for me. I am going to try utilizing your spreadsheet idea, as my garden is very young at this new house. New build completed June 2021. It was difficult leaving our 5 acre property after 22 years, but having an empty canvas has been extremely cathartic for me. Thanks for all the wonderful content, both here and on the friendly FB group. I love the feeling of having "fellow rosarians" right along side of me on my gardening journey ❤️
Thank you, Kimberly 😊
Thank you so much for sharing. Some plants (roses) just don't make it. And, as a gardener I always think "it must be my fault." Good to know it happens to everyone.
I had a Kordes Soul Sister that just didn't make it this year. All my other roses have been fantastic
My Soul sister didn't do great either. I thought it was a goner this spring (after it's first winter) so I potted it and it sprung back to life. Now I have replanted it in the ground. Guess I will see next year if it stays or goes.
@@TheRoseGeek After planting my Soul Sister in the ground she just sat there and barely grew for a yr. So I did the same thing as you do, dig them up, pot it and give them one last chance. Well, it was a TOTAL turn around for Soul Sister, I now have a beautiful plant with gorgeous blooms, I'm going to move her location from her original one (too hot?) and plant her back in the ground with fingers crossed!! Iam so happy to have found you as my main focus is on roses, esp David Austin. You're a gifted speaker and educator, Thank-you for your videos!!🥰
I just ordered one, now I have my doubts. Is yours own root or grafted? Some grafted ones can be duds for some odd reason and some own roots just don’t do well on their own
Zone 9b right by coast. My friend calls me the “heartless gardener” cuz I don’t want a waste a year on a so-so rose plus I get room for new ones! I’m shovel pruning Radiant Perfume, Easy spirit (I have three) and Grand Amour. A few I’m giving one more year in another location.
I am so glad to hear I wasn’t the only one who struggled with Ferdinand Pichard. I was wondering what I was doing wrong that this old garden rose refused to cooperate in my garden, just shriveled up, almost overnight, without any warning. And I thought I had neglected it somehow or maybe I took too much care with it (some old garden roses do object to too much attention and pruning and whatnot). But then I read on helpmefind that it can be very temperamental, and this video seems to reinforce that. I’m giving him one more chance, this time in a pot this year, and if he doesn’t want to cooperate, he’s out. There are other striped roses like Variegata di Bologna that I can try out, and I ready have a Rosa Mundi growing… plus more modern hybrids. Or there’s the mottled coloring of La Park I could always try out instead.
This is very helpful for me. I am a newbie rosarian so it is helpful to understand that some roses just don't work in some areas. I am about to move to a very sandy coastal yard. I have so much to learn as I work to develop a garden that brings me joy.
@@TheRoseGeek thanks! I will check out the video and the links you suggested. I will keep you posted on my progress.
I have been growing roses since 2003. I started with Pickering, which grafted on multiflora, and 99% of their roses succeeded. Overwhelmingly, Austin Roses are a bust in zone 5a/5b/6a. The area around me is loaded with Dr. Hueys because Austin insisted on sending his grafted Hueys and they overwhelmingly died or reverted to Huey. The Austins that worked for me are Constance Spry, Glamis Castle (and, of course, he discontinued it). Heritage is a disease bomb. Bare on one side. I hid it behind a wall. Jude bloomed for one year and disappeared. The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild produced three flowers total for 5 years. Even obtained from own root providers, they fail. Peter Schneider is going to grow Fair Bianca for me. Peter's roses are always great.
The Dark Lady - I had two, both disappeared. Jean Rex, which was an Austin cross - died - both of them. Ann's Beautiful Daughter - one year. It has Heritage in its lineage. Tess is actually a good rose. And I can attest to Benjamin Britten. It was one of the few roses in The Chicago Botanic Garden to be healthy. An own root Winchester Cathedral didn't make it through winter. Garden center. Mature plant. I avoid Austins like the plague. They are simply not reliable in my zone, which didn't keep him from sending them here. He was moving to own root, but after his death his son discontinued the program.
The following are just SOME of the roses that have been great for me in zone 5ab/6a in high ph and neutral soil.Great roses.
I put At Last in a client's garden and it bloomed like mad. At one point 18 buds. So I got it from White Flower Farm (they have fabulous lilacs, peonies and roses) I got Tess. At Last and several peonies and lilacs from them. I have At Last it in a pot because I struggle with floribundas. Six Icebergs. They all died. At Last bloomed all season and got no disease. It's going into the garage.
GREAT roses in my garden:
Marie Pavie, the polyantha. I have had it for 15 years. Scented, clusterflowered, everblooming, scented. Marie Daly, a sport, is almost as good. Pickering and The Antique Rose Emporium, respectively.
Madame Hardy, two great ones from Roses Unlimited.
Gruss an Aachen, long flowered, disease free. I got the climbing version from Roses Unlimited and it knocked my socks off.
Marchesa Bocchella (Jacques Cartier). I had a fabulous one in my former home. I ordered one from Antique Rose Emporium last year, installed it in April, and it shot up to five feet and bloomed all season. I put in another one a few feet from it, also from ARE, and it is fabulous.
Quadra, the Canadian Climber. Zone 4 hardy. Beautiful, tough as nails, disease free. Another rose I had at home on a trellis. This one is climbing a light pole. No scent to speak of, but has gorgeous flowers and blooms all season. Pickering.
Stanwell Perpetual. It explodes into bloom and is still producing flowers here in November. Pickering.
Sea Foam, a great everblooming scented ground cover.
Perle d"or. I keep three in pots at the front of my house. Beautiful, scented, ever blooming. Roses Unlimited.
Zephirine Drouhin and Kathleen Harrop, both from Roses Unlimited. Mine get minimum blackspot I still have flowers on them.
A shoutout to hybrid musks. Sensational. I have four Ballerina, a Guerlande d'Amour.
Other sensational roses that bloom once: Felicite Parmentier and Parmentier Desiree. The latter is a gallica. From High Country Roses.
And a shoutout to Matt at High Country for Victorian Memory, Four Inch Heels, Navy Lady, and Burgundian Rose.
Kordes is, to me, all of the things Austin claimed to me and wasn't. I have two Bliss Parfuma, a friend has Jasmina and it rocks. I had Heidesommer years ago. Kiss Me Kate is waiting to be planted.
Peter Schneider recommended Oscar Peterson, one of the Canadian Artist roses, and it is ridiculously recurrent. And he got me Bouquet Parfait, by Lens. Absurdly beautiful. Kordes Kiss Me Kate came from Peter.
There are more. If I like a rose I try to get three.
I order only from Freedom Gardens (Peter Schneider), Roses Unlimited, Antique Rose Emporium, High Country Roses and occasionally from White Flower Farm. With the possible exception of the last, these are all family-owned, and you communicate with the owners. I avoid Heirloom because they do absurd things like offer Heritage, a rose you can get for about $20, for $60. It's been unpatented for a billion years. It has newer owners. The old ones were great. I know people like them, but I think that they are laughing at us.
I realize that some of my views, especially of Austin, won't be popular, but as a grower, master gardener, writer and presenter, I felt the need to speak up. 90% of the roses I shovel pruned, for me or clients, are Austins. I think they are fine in warmer climates, but they are real duds here.
@@TheRoseGeek You are very kind!.
I got started because my husband wanted a red climbing rose. Being compulsive, I went to the library, pulled every book on roses and settled on Dublin Bay. I ordered it from Edmund's when Edmunds was great, and threw in a Morden Blush. Then he wanted a red rose for another area. I went to Pickering and found Tess. That rose is terrific and I have another.
Then I found Antique Rose Emporium and realized what David Austin was trying to accomplish. After much indecision I settles on Rose De Rescht, Marchesa Boccella and Zephirine Drouhin. I purchased the latter because a rosarian in St. Loius (I am in the Chicago area) told me to ignore the zone stuff and buy it. It was a smash, and the canes bend over and peg themselves.
Then I found Pickering. At that time their roses were all $14 and shipping for 3 or 4 roses was $18!!!!! I went nuts, and I also went strongly with Joel's Picks. He steered me away from the wrong roses to the right ones. Katherine Zeimet? No, Heidesommer. My first Kordes. Morden Snowbeauty? No, Marie Pavie.
I found roses that are beautiful and bulletproof and not too large (Gruss an Aachen). I got a Madame Hardy from the great Sam Kedeem and the second from Roses Unlimited.
Pat at Roses Unlimited has been fantastic. I wanted another Zephirine Drouhin and she suggested Kathleen Harrop. It's sensational. It's bigger than Zeph (people who claim it to be less vigorous are wrong). I got two Perle D'or from her last year. She stated that it is a rose that she will not be without. I put them in pots in front of my house and the raves came in.
And then a Bliss Parfuma in a blue cobalt pot that blew me away, and I acquired a second. Three little White Pet (a blooming wonder, but you have to deadhead it).
I met Peter Schneider years ago and we hit it off. He suggested Kiss Me Kate. And I got Bouquet Parfait from him after looking unsuccessfully for 20 years.
And then there is Matt. Victorian Memory (Isabel Skinner) - WOW! Jeanne Lajoie. Four-inch heels. I usually put them in a pot for a year but then they soar.
If I find a rose in a garden center that I already own and know, I'll pick it up. I had two Morden Blush and a Pillow Fight, I pulled all of the grass out of my front bed and it is pretty much smaller roses, peonies and miscanthus.
There are so many fascinating roses. I have gotten very heavily into roses that bloom in partial shade, like Ballerina and other hybrid musks. I didn't get into hybrid perpetuals, except for Enfant de France, because I needed to know what they really look like. Some bloom in partial shade (Reine de Violettes) and I picked Felicite Parmentier and a gallica that Matt has called Desiree Parmentier. I thought it a disgrace that I woned no albas, and Felicite Parmentier is perfect.
And to continue my Portland passion, Roses Unlimited has SIDONIE! Spectacular. Coming this spring.
This is definitely an obsession. I love heirlooms. I have a small yard, and almost no grass, so I can have most;y heirloom peonies (20?) and lilies (hundreds). Who the heck needs grass?
Yes, I'm obsessed!!!!!
Thank you for your graciousness.
Donna
You're giving me the courage to dump a few roses this next spring. ;-) I've had them for YEARS and mostly keep them because they've been here for so long. I smiled at your pronunciation of "Alnwick." I got to visit that castle with a travel group and our guide impressed upon us how to pronounce the name "properly." It's confusing when you see it spelled ... so many dropped letters! :-P
The 'Wisley' rose is surely named for Wisley Botanical Gardens in England. When we visited, they pronounced that as "WISS-lee.'
Thank you!! Love your videos..Munstead wood is the one rose, I am so infatuated with. Mine is on fortuniana rootstock from k&m. It didn’t do all that much and sporadically bloomed first 2 years. But really hit its stride after, it blooms even when the other roses stop blooming in our VA hot and humid climes. Outstanding color, beauty, and fragrance
@@TheRoseGeek Thank you, Kimberly, I am excited to see your channel, as you have such a fabulous collection and similar weather. K&m sends great roses, but it’s most often short staffed so gets a little tricky putting that order through. Persist with those phone calls.: j
I have blue girl here in SW Florida, and it is the second year for her. I gave her some fertilizer and it started to flower more now, but the canes are so skinny that they flop. Also, the flowers get burnt at the edges, but smell so good, it reminds me of a play-doh kit of flowers that i had when i was a kid. I also have At last in a small pot. It flowers for me, and the flowers smell really good, but it hasn't grown so much. I know that I have it in a small pot but it doesn't go taller than a little over a feet. I have desdemona and it is an excellent performer.
Blue Girl has been a good rose for me in VA.
this was super helpful! thank you! i hope to see an update on the ones you removed and potted up in hopes for more basal breaks!
edit to say: i lost several roses this year( Neptune, one baby jude, and one koko loko), and a few others aren't thriving. but none have been here 3 years yet-- so i'll keep trying! I have tons of borer damage on two, and i had to hack them way down so I'll have to see how they do next year. In the meantime, i'm buying some cane sealer!
one more thing! i have a very DUMB question, that i should probably just google instead of asking like a weirdo, but can grafted roses produce new (basal break?) strong canes of the desired variety and not the root stock? or should i just give those up that look poor and reduced to one cane (grafted)
I bought a small golden celebration rose from a local vendor, Annie’s Annuals and Perennials and it grew and bloomed all year long. I have an Eden climbing rose and no blooms for me yet, not sure how old it is. Fingers crossed it blooms in the coming year. Gardening zone 9b California.
So sad to hear Wiseley 2008 didn’t work for you! I love the look of that rose.
And….20 Bliss 😮, if I ever see a standard of Bliss, I will let you know.
It doesn't surprise me about Wayside, they are owned by J&P. I have a 50% death rate with my roses from J&P. and half of the surviving ones are looking like they may not survive. I will not be ordering from them again, no matter how much I love a rose. I have lost 12 roses total out of 105-110 roses from several vendors and 3 years of being a newbie gardener, so not too bad. Sometimes they just don't work out for whatever reason. As far as shovel pruning, at this point the only one I'm considering is Blue Girl. She will probably go into a pot after next year if she doesn't show some growth. I am digging up a few roses in the spring to move forward in the bed, because I bought some taller roses to put in their current locations. And one I am digging up to put in a pot, just to see if it does a bit better. Most of my garden is still under 3 years so I need to remind myself to be patient.
yep, Ive got some poor performers too. The biggest disappointment has been Camelot from Tantau, it took three wasted years for Tantau customer services to concede that the plant ‘might not bloom’ because in some cases it reverts to behaving like one of its parents and just scrambles everywhere like a huge rambling rose with precious few blooms. They waffled at me the first two years claiming Id been somehow at fault in how Id been growing it. Crown P M has a terrible growth habit, like a gnarly thorn hedge and as soon as the sun hits the blooms ( and our Irish sun is pretty tame ) they wash out to a shade of white with pale peach tones.
Pilgrim for me has been a huge success, glorious trusses of lemon centred blooms and super long new canes each year which when ‘pegged’ flower freely. It happily blooms and thrives in a very shaded location.
Boscobel, desdemona, Poets wife all defoliated with rampant blackspot after the first flush with Golden Contamination being the worst offender, it is going in the bin.
Thanks for the feedback on Camelot! I will try to remember that it isn't a great rose if It is offered to us from vendors. I am getting ready to look at other poor performers for us in 2023. Stay tuned!
Hi Kim, Thank you for another great video about what rose plants works in a particular area. I do have a question I want to ask. Have you experience or have you discuss with other experience Rosarians about something call "Rose Replant Disease" I came across this when I was doing some research on Roses. Simply put - a new Rose plant will not do good on a previous spot where an old rose bush was dug up. I believe David Austin did mention it in one of his books. Another person that mention this is Jason from Fraser Valley. However not many people mention this when they replant new bushes on a spot previously occupy by another rose bush. Can you shed some light on this. Thanks
I think that there is a lot of wisdom in the idea that some roses that love heat versus roses that prefer cool weather. Wisley 2008 was glorious in the nursery pot even late in the season in the PNW. Tamora and Scentamental are blooming machines and nice bushes here. Almost all of the ones that died for you love, love, love the cool weather of the PNW. Of Course, Earth Angel which loves heat, needs to be babied and given the best seat in the house in order to have two flushes for me in the PNW. Sometimes you have to call it and sometimes the rose does it for you!
awesome video Kim, from my point of view.....your problems might be grafts...unless i absolutely can not find it any where else!, i will buy grafted...im a confirmed own root man!!!! i had to pitch a rose this spring...a grafted Peach Swirl ...i dont think it helped being a hybrid tea either...some of the roses you are giving a second chance to, bloom there heads off for me, esp Munstead Wood!...i bury all my grafted roses 4 INCHES!!! below the bud union so they can start growing on their own roots...ive had roses start growing well after planting like that and being on their own roots they sucker...esp. gallicas and rugosa hybrids....
Great luck next spring Kim....ill only be buying climbers next year as we are putting up fencing in 2023 and the budget for plants will be going to that and making the shed ready for some Easter Egger and Welsummer hens and arches for the climbers. Ill work on the shady sides of the house also with hosta and foxgove, so 2024 will be my big rose year and then done....well is anyone ever truely done when it comes to gardening?....NOPE!
Munstead is only good in Spring for me too. The rest are just going sickly and yellow leaves.
Very helpful. I'm afraid I hang on to poor plant performers the way I hang on to bad photos. I've paid so much for roses, mostly own-root, it's difficult to toss them, but this gives me some strength and the "permission" to do it. I have an Oklahoma that hasn't done well at all, has one cane, and has produced two or three roses this year. It's got to go. My Ebb Tide is small. I think I simply need to move it because it is covered by Molineux (a star performer for me). I'll know more in the spring about that one. Several others, including Lady of Shallot, Benjamin Britten and Golden Celebration-this next season may be their last. We shall see. Thank you!
I'm digging up At Last.
No ,I think sometime, the root ect. Is just not strong. Mine has been in the ground 5 years.
I have been waiting for this video, thanks Kim. Got my cup of coffee, I'm ready to share with you my experience. First, I eliminated Lady of Shallot, it was for 3 years in my garden growing like an octopus. Another one that I won't buy anymore is Paris d' Yves St Laurent, I love this rose but died during winter, got another one and died after winter and after doing a lot of research, I found out that is hardy in zone 7b, I am in zone 7a. A lot of vendors only specify the number and no the letter on zones...lesson learned. My Fiji and Hot Cocoa are own roots, have them for 3 years in full sun and doing great. I ended up moving my new Jude the Obscure rose from the ground to a container and now is happy! My Munstead Wood died, never woke up from dormancy, order a new one for next Spring, will see. Lady Emma Hamilton didn't make it last year but the one I got this year is doing great. Which roses are my superstars this season? Over the moon, Princess Charlene de Monaco, Neil Diamond, Lady Gardener, Olivia Austin, Double Delight, Koko Loko, Just Joey, Francis Meilland, Carding Mill and Moonlight in Paris.
Hi, I am in zone 7a too. I saw Yves Piaget is hardy to zone 7b and I am a little hesitant to order this rose.
@@sarmishthabanerjee1057 I’m more careful now to check the letter too. I need at least the rose to be hardy in zone 6 to get it.
@@jowalk80 Me too.
@@TheRoseGeek I always tell the same to other gardeners, plant what you love and makes you happy. I’m glad you did this video, people need to know that sometimes a rose won’t perform well NO because of lack of care but other circumstances and is OK to say goodbye to a rose or a plant that doesn’t bring joy.
Excellent video. My two Harlow Carrs are scrawny after four years, tiny blooms and is a thorn thug. I moved them to another location and no improvement. As hard as it is, they’re going to be shovel pruned in the Spring to make space for others. Isn’t it amazing how roses do differently depending? My first Munstead Wood was like your.s 2 feet in 3 years. Took it out. New one has done beautifully.
Hi Kim, My At Last is so healthy and prolific for me. I bought it last August from Proven Winners. In fact, it is still blooming. I wanted to ask you about the rose Yves Piaget. How is this rose performing in your garden? Is it prolific?
Your munstead wood-was it grafted or own root?
Hi Kim, Where from did you buy your Cathedral Bell rose?
Interesting. My At Last roses do very well and in heavy clay. But two of them do better than the other two. All Proven Winners. I think it's the soil, however. Now I have the Handel climber that for two years did absolutely squat so I moved it and all of a sudden I'm seeing much better growth. So, I'm crossing my fingers on that one for next year. I moved Garden Sun to a new location and forced a basal break and have seen a lot of new growth on it. Now I deal with juglaone toxicity due to a heavy black walnut tree environment so things get a little interesting around here, lol. I have been experimenting with fertilizing to force blooming and plan to do it more aggressively next year so see if it works. The rose that puttered along this year was New Dawn. I was surprised considering all the raves I've seen about it. But, it may be the location/soil/juglaone problem messing with me again. So, if it doesn't do well next year, I will move it. I get where you are coming from but since these plants are so expensive now-a-days, I would consider moving the plant before just tossing it. I have rescued several roses from people who just wanted them out of their gardens and so far (knock on wood) they are doing very well. The ones I have had the most problems with are roses I have purchased and sadly they are David Austins. What's funny is my Chicago Peace was a BEAST this year and produced amazing flowers. And, I planted it this year. I do love the Kordes roses, I totally agree with you on that.
@@TheRoseGeek I'm in SE Michigan, suburb of Detroit. Everything gets black spot here due to the humidity from the Great Lakes I believe. Re the black walnut issue, I don't know if I'm winning but I'm trying, lol. I keep adding purchased soil and amendments to the garden and it seems to help...sometimes. More work to do there. I have 4 DA roses coming this spring but after that, no more. Well, maybe Summer Song if I can ever get my hands on one, lol. You can see my garden madness on my channel if you like and if your daughter doesn't want the Chicago Peace, you are welcome to send it to me, lol. I love to try and rescue roses - several in my garden are roses that people just wanted out of their gardens and I try to bring them back to life. Your garden is much larger than mine but what I would do with your one cane wonders is find a spot and replant them, full sun if you can and really cut them back and feed them nitrogen primarily for a year and see if you can get them to rejuvenate. In mid-summer, start giving them more PK ferts if you want some blooms but I would concentrate on getting the green growth first. Again, you have so many roses, you may not want to bother but I'm finding some success with that type of treatment.
I have a Dark Knight rose that is a two cane wonder that will get that treatment next year and hopefully, it will help him. He's a black spot magnet as well. Dark Knight was bred by Meilland a long time ago so maybe I'll just have to deal with BS forever, but again, I think anything new (if I can find the space) is going to be Kordes.
that's why i hate how people price bareroots !!!! we get them as the rejects from their gardens lol and its just a let down cuz im not blessed with some of the money some have i make due lol but i hate when i put money into it and it dont work out. and i feel for them people who would love to do what you are and just getting tossed to the side
the DA roses you pulled out, did they come directly from DA?
Please try getting another Munstead Wood! I'm not far from you, and it is the BEST performing rose in my garden. It blooms continually and is healthy and gorgeous - mine forms a very nice 3 - 4 foot shrub. You had to have had a dud
I added three more! Fingers crossed I have the same success as you. I am having a meet here at my house in February. Maybe you are close enough to swing by?
@@TheRoseGeek Both fingers crossed for you! And sure! I'm right on the southeast border of PA - about 2 mins away from MD
Wise not to obsess on a rose that won't perform. I can see the value of buying 2-3 roses of the same sort b/c you can just get a dud, esp. when you're dealing with grafts. i had a Plum Perfect, dead. no sign of life, I threw it out, then I thought, Well, it's own root, I'll give it a chance." Grew like a maniac, bloomed like crazy , still trying. Guess I scared it! I have to say that so far, I haven't had but one totally dead rose (from Edmund's, don't get me started on them) but that's almost all new roses this summer. I'm potting up everything---nothing can go in the ground right now & I think it gives them a good start. I'm using fiber pots for the BIG ones so easier to plant when the time comes. But I have to say, the Heirloom roses I get cannot seem to wait to take off like crazy, with very few exceptions. They practically exploded in the summer, are doing well, even now. Worth the expense. I guess we all have our favorites & our Never-Agains! Your garden is epic---I could never manage 600 roses, but I sure wish I could. I'll be happy just to get these guys in the ground in spring!
Heirloom roses take their sweet time for me. I am not sure why. So are you saying that you pot all roses initially? I want to hear more about that. :)
@@TheRoseGeek It started with me not being able to afford to put in the rose garden I wanted this spring, but I'd already started ordering roses, & I sort of got obsessed & started ordering lots more roses. So it was pot or die! I think I read where someone said they always potted their roses before putting them in the ground, so when most of them did so well Iin their pots, I thought maybe this was actually one of those blessings in disguise! Also, I'm hoping to put in a little seating area nearby & I'd like some of the smaller roses in pots for that. Also I might possibly have overbought for the area I have available. And there are still 4 roses coming in January & 11 on my must-have list & a couple of discontinued Austins that I'm detemined to hunt down, so I kind of have to resort to potting up some of the roses permanently. Our climates are so different---mine is hot dry summer & unpredictable winter in 8b, that I'd expect different roses/growers to perform in our gardens. Probably doesn't hurt that Heirloom is about 100 miles north of me so when they ship I receive the next day!
My problem is I simply don't like certain roses even if they perform well. I'm about to get rid of French Lace, Julia Andrews and Prairie Princess, all are prolific but somehow I just don't like them...French Lace is pretty but so thorny, the others might be the colors. I feel very bad not to love them like my other roses ☹. Anyhow, about your "die prior to" pile, I wonder if you give them bigger pots or/and cover the bud union would make them grow better ? Mine did and what a difference it made ! (My 180 + roses are all in pots, though.) Just a thought to share 😉
I'm with you. I shoveled pruned the lady Gardner from David Austin. It bloomed prolifically all summer. And though I generally love peach roses this one faded to a dreary, dirty cream.☹️. She didn't even get three Summers
I never had luck with any Proven Winners rose. They are nice bushes with beautiful foliage, but they just don't throw off the blooms of other roses. I've given up on them. I wanted Sunorita to work out so badly. I have a thing for yellow roses.
@@TheRoseGeek Yeah. I'm debating ripping out my PW roses. They just aren't as floriferous as the pics in my experience. The search for a prolific yellow rose continues! The yellow KnockOut rose blooms like the tag photos, but the blooms fade to white so quickly that most guests think it's a white rose.
My PW Rise Up Amber is thriving.
I mentioned to you about my Lichfield Angel and the lack of petals. Since then, I have contacted David Austin and they said that their roses need a 10-8-10 rose fertilizer, which is not what I have been giving mine. I have been using Rose Tone which they suggest next season to double the feed amount each feeding and then send them pictures. I will do that in my last effort to get the beautiful pictured rose I was expecting. Hope it works.
I am wondering if you have experience with 'Veranda Cream'. I have thought of getting three of them to put around my sunny backyard near the front of borders to bring some frequent blooming till the hydrangeas are preparing for their show. I live in hot Boise, Idaho, zone 7.
@@TheRoseGeek If you'd like, I can let you know what happens with regards to my Lichfield Angel...
May I ask please why are all these roses that are failing to thrive in such tiny pots?
I have a question not about rose performance but about receiving a completely different bare root rose than what was ordered and the vendor is implying that is not possible. Do you abandon that vendor?
Hi Kim, I just wanted to know about the DA rose The Squire. Does it bloom well?
David Austin roses don't bloom as well, especially the older varieties, as Kordes.
@@TheRoseGeekThank you! ❤
Hi Kim, Is this a good time to trim down the roses which have grown 5.5 or 6 feet tall?
@@TheRoseGeek Thank you!❤
Those pots are way too small for them to thrive. Poor Mr Lincoln.
Just trying to keep the nutrients close to him to see if he wants to push new feeder roots.
So I am confused. Are you saying that 10% die on a yearly basis? Or are you saying that it is a combination of death, struggling and you just don't like?
My .. “ the pilgrim “… struggled from day 1.. then i didn’t help much by moving it to a pot from ground & it just disappeared from the whole collection..where de go?.. i wonder every yr. …it doesn’t appear
That is so sad. I am looking at a new yellow climber being offered from Palatine. palatineroses.com/product/better-times-rose/
@@TheRoseGeekI saw 100 rain for couple a days for -6-7 hrs. each .. so i played lazy & went to the 6 pots in which 2-3 rose bushes are in each one..sprinkled rooting hormone powder on it .. then checked them today after doing the same some 5 months before too..i’ve never seen “ life “ like that in those pots before.. the fresh leaves & liveliness..outstanding
100% rain
I have the opportunity to get clippings from many gardens all over the NYC area. I can get anything to root. I dont know names or types. dont really care I clip on color and form.and it they have a good scent.
I think I have about 40 roses over the last two years in a home made nearing tray . That does not count the DA's, Kordes and Meland tha assexual reproduction that are legally not allowed. Those shall be remained unnamed. Im not selling them. They are for my own gardens. The only rueles I play by are my own.
@@TheRoseGeek As a boiler tech i follow the same rules to the garden as I do for work. Since Im not doing it for a living like Jason. Whos input I respect greatly. Hes doing what he does cause thats what hes got to do to pay the bills. Im doing it for a hobby. But Ive figured out methods that may not give me volume but what I can get my hands on gives me a high rate of success . I have also found that many will not grow the same on own root.
I also have about 30-40 hips seeds that I strictly crossed with Iceberg as a seed mother this season. All with DA roses and a few from roses from the local church. I cant wait to see the frankenroses I create this year.
So much money goes to drain