Does K-Pop Need To Give Black Americans More Credit?
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I'm not sure the two are really comparable. Ne-Yo mentioned in the clip about how kids are being raised into becoming idols from early childhood. That isn't a mechanism that's prevalent in the Western music industry. Koreans are manufacturing their talent from the ground up whereas in America it's a lot more organic where artists blow up by becoming discovered.
True. The kpop/jpop system is totally different from the US system.
Why don't Asians and Asian Americans ever receive credit for all of their contributions and influences????
I thought that was done with bruce lee with mma and the wiz kids in the 80s for their academia.
Asian Americans receive credit in the form of currency and having the highest socioeconomic status in the USA on average. We get compensated on dollars and not clout.
@@henrytep8884 Money does not equal dignity, respect, and credit. Stop deflecting.
@@chyeannevojet7664 ??? Math and martial arts only? Asians are more than that....we are the coolest, at this moment :)
@@SK-ql3yf money is a proxy for those things moron. Are you saying Asian Americans have none of those things?? And we have the best socioeconomic position in the USA arguably.
It's less about giving us credit and more about giving us RESPECT.
"Respect" as in SUBMISSION?😂
What respect when all the Asian hate crimes was done by black people
Black people don’t own music. 🤡
@@borednow5390do you need somebody to write out the definition of respect for you?
@@borednow5390y’all already seen as submissive lil mfs 🤷🏽♂️
I STAND with neyos problematic ass! Also didn't one of the bands get in trouble last year for being racist to black fans?? That is a HUGE problem in the k pop scene. all you have to do is youtube it. Giving credit is half of it BUT the racism is what asians do not want to call out OR address more frequently.
Idk if anyone noticed but JY Park has a new show called A2K where he's trying to find people in the U.S. to debut a K-Pop group from America, but in his new show, there's a clip where JY Park acknowledged Black artists. As of right now, JY Park is the only one to give credit/shout out to Black musicians on his influence to starting JYP Entertainment.
He is right though, we Koreans took alot from black american music styles, fashion, clothing, dance moves etc. Because Korean-Americans consumed it alot but also shared it with Koreans back home so it grew years and years and developed into what is now known as Kpop. But because its normalised its not often discussed the origens of Kpop in its diverse facets.
Also, there's an old video of JYP giving a tour of JYPE building. The meeting rooms are named after famous black musicians. JYP even has a photo of him and Stevie Wonder on his work desk.
It doesn’t even take brain or critical thinking to easily notice that K-Pop draws massive influence from hip hop. The dancing, the videography, the styles, the rapping…
It’s quite apparent and obvious actually
I got into K-pop in the late 90's thanks to this program on International Channel called Music Video Heaven (MVH). The hostess Sue Kim was such a hottie. Haha
Anyways, back then, I felt the music was much more organic, and even though the western influence and the "machine" was already in place, it still sounded and looked more Korean, or at least more East Asian. That's why many HK, Cantonese, and Taiwanese people I knew gravitated towards it, even though Korean culture at that point wasn't all that trendy yet.
Over the years, as K-pop became more westernized and as a result, more sexualized, less and less in my circles still remained fans. Among my peers, if we ever reference "K-pop," it's mostly stuff from the good old days of Gen 1 (SES, Jinusean, HOT, Shinhwa, Fly to the Sky, Drunken TIger, Sechskies, See U, FinKL, Baby Vox, etc.), and *maybe* Gen 2, (TVXQ/DBSK, Big Bang, etc.), but NEVER any of the new post 2010 groups.
Some groups of people just think they deserve everything
They do, so cry
No. We Blacks don’t need anything from others we just want to protect our Culture form others like others. Stop stealing Black Culture
@@Chi_06 they don’t. These groups are just mad that they are the losers of civilization and have never contributed to human development except looting and social welfare.
And now they wanna tell people they need to praised for their music which they don’t wanna share. Lemme tell you that music inspiration can’t be trademarked.
Most people who take from Black American culture need to give more credit. I get tired of culture vultures(including ones from the Black Caribbean and African community) who take from parts of our culture but then try to discredit or gaslight us as if they didn't take alot of influence or do other disrespectful things when they should be more respectful.
Hip Hop was created by a Jamaican immigrant in New York… Jamaicans are proud of their African heritage. Everything black is basically African. Give us other credit lol
@@Massacre2k11 The Jamaican Immigrant Kool Herc was imitating off Black American culture mostly Funk Music because Black Americans didn't want to hear Jamaican music and he mentioned this several times plus he wasn't the sole creator of Hip Hop either but yet simply off that fact the he was a Jamaican now we have Caribbean Black people trying to come up with lies that he had more influence on Hip Hop creation than Black American culture when he was mostly a DJ playing Black American music and the actual rapper there was Black American Coke La Rock at his parties and there was Black American rappers in the south before the ones in NY.
Why was there a Jamaican versus African problem for so long in the UK if Jamaicans are so proud of their African heritage and why do they say of "Jamaican heritage" instead of "African heritage"?
@@yodad723 still an immigrant created it and was essential in making it. It’s known he was the main guy so don’t lie.
Yes majority on the “Jamaicans” in the Uk are mixed raced and never been to the Caribbean so we’re ignorant when they were the majority. Now Africans are the majority & the mixed and black Jamaicans know wag1
@@Massacre2k11 Bruh I gave you credible names you can look up so there was nothing for me to lie about you must be Caribbean. All Kool Herc did was throw parties that helped bring Black Americans along with Black Caribbean and Puerto Ricans who imitated Rapping, dancing,etc from Black Americans together at his Block parties then he would play mostly if not all Black American music like Funk Music,Soul music especially James Brown then he used a DJing technique that may or not have come from Jamacai on the "Funk Drummer" song by James Brown which created one of the first breakbeats if not the first breakbeats and that's why they call him the creator of hip hop but anybody who actually knows the history would know that he wasn't as influential as whatever sources you read says. If a Black American went to Jamaica imitating off the Jamaicans adding little to no of Black American culture to help make dancehall then y'all wouldn't give the credit you want us to give Jamaicans..
The situation when many Jamaicans where against the Africans in the UK was when there wasn't as much mixed Jamaican plus the Jamaicans in the UK are more in touch with their culture than the ones in America and there was also an issue with Jamaican's and Africans in Canada and those tensions is still there at a lesser rate. The Africans I seen Jamaican praise the most are Ethiopians but they don't even directly descend from them unlike the West/Central Africans.
@@yodad723 you’re not going to rewrite history because you don’t like it. It wasn’t black Americans that made hip hop; they made hip hop culture popular tho.
And no it’s literally the mixed race ones back in the day and laughing at African names that’s all. But it’s not happening anymore if anything it’s the opposite but that’s rare. And I can’t speak for canada but the majority of Africans there are the East Africans so there’s a big culture clash for sure there as they are majority Muslim. And No it’s only the Rasta’s that are linked to Ethiopia as that’s where it begun and one of the kings there is an idol to the rastas but the Jamaicans are pretty much from Ghana or Ivory Coast
It’s really not about sharing or boring the culture for most black people. We’re proud that our music (jazz, blues, RnB, hip hop, rap, gospel, beginnings of country & rock) is loved and appreciated around the world. It becomes offensive when people borrow your music, style, dance, mannerism and are then racist and/or prejudice against you. I think Andrew’s suggestion of just treating people better and with respect will solve a lot of Black/Asian tensions.
Exactly. That's the main issue. We aren't asking for much but people are making it a lot.
@@Lonelyeco address black on asian crime pls
@@ThirsTDemon so u not gonna address it, that’s what I thought lmao
@@ThirsTDemon 🤡🤡⚫⚫so u not gonna address it, that’s what I thought
@@tha1necan you address the multiple chine uh supermarkets/other small business that tried opening up in different parts of Africa and saying “no blacks allowed” yeah they tried and found out quick we not like y’all quick to bow n submit.
Didn't Psy shout out to Bobby Brown big time?
Yeah, "nothing comes from nothing", meaning everything is inspired by something. The fact that everyone knows it comes from the American culture should be good enough. I haven't seen any Koreans claim it to be authentic Korean.
It’s a respect thing. There’s been several controversies involving k-pop idols that were disrespectful to black Americans… that’s pretty much it
Nobody demanded Backstreet boys or N'Sync to give recognition to the black community. But suddenly asians have to do it.
If only that was true. Boys to men was literally talked about this so much.
Not true, do your research first
@@Group.B me or him? Because boys to men talked about n’sync and backstreet boys
I agree.
People should know that the first girl groups were all white. See Wikipedia. The first black GG came a full 30 years after (The Shirelles). They were a direct copy of the white girl groups.
The Beatles were actually the very first big boy band. So did blacks appropriate whites for being inspired by them?
To say kpop copied blacks is slanderous. Alot of kpop is definitely not rap or r&b.Everyone inspires everyone. That's the music biz.
This whole discussion only causes anti Asian racism.
So there's a girl group called XG (Japanese girls singing English songs but developed by the K-Pop system) that has started to make waves because, frankly their stuff is pretty amazing. So they had a documentary vid of them being put together and in it they show the the main producer of the group in Atlanta at a studio with basically almost all black people. While there one of the guys there basically says the same exact thing as Ne-Yo, showing considerable admiration for the Kpop system and what they're doing, namely, having material ready for groups that aren't even finalized yet and looking far in advance. There was no jealously that came out of him. People with talent can acknowledge others without trying to claim their success for themselves. Is there influence? Oh of course and certainly there's the production itself that deserves credit. But someone put that all together and right now it's the K-Pop industry. Not any of the major American labels.
Why would he be jealous when he's likely getting paid more money than he's ever had.
Koreans aren't creative
Guys, do your research more. You are only reviewing what’s in the surface. J-Hope from BTS said his idol was J Cole. He said this many times. BTS released the song Hip Hop Phile where they shout out so many western hip hop artists such as KRS One, Snoop, 2Pac, Jay Z and Nas amongst others. They’ve collaborated with Niki Manji, Megan the Stallion and, as you mentioned, Latto. Look it up, BTS has given credit to western hip hop and R&B sooooo many times. I know you want to get out a lot of content fast but look this stuff up before hitting the record button.
Let's be honest here, Kpop is heavily influenced by American pop culture and American pop culture has many influences from black artists/ musicians. Therefore it is not stealing but inspired by/ inspiration.
True. But to be clear, those black artists and musicians are part of American pop culture.
Couldn't have said it any better
@GG-zb2fv. Bro whatever. Ya'll always wanna tell us it's raining outside when you know you're pissing down our backs. Black artists who influenced the K-pop Azn world are never given their due respect, a lot of them STEAL from Usher (like "Rain" used to do) and you know this. 🤷🏿♂🤷🏿♂ You wanna use words like "inspire" but Azns charge everybody with White washing or "cultural appropriation." when it's their culture. Just like they charged Rihanna that time (or Niki Minaj I can't remember) and the movie "Ghost n the Shell" and "Avatar Last Airbender"(remember that?) STOP.
The main issue is K-Pop uses our creations, but when we are being attacked and Blackballed, they side with the perpetrators. Some artists refuse to interact with Black fans or even artists. They do everything for the White community but utilitie Black music, dances and everything. Counter productive there. I liked the early 2000 K-Pop. They felt more true.
The whole argument is a waste of time
This conversation started around the time K-pop artist when several k-pop idols were in controversies that were offensive towards black Americans
As a black person who loves Korean culture…in the black community we have so many negative racial stereotypes. I think we just long for more positive street cred around the good contributions made.
Hot take warning: I know zero Koreans that does not know hip hop is from black American culture. Kpop collab with black singers, since seo taiji (first kpop band ever). Three questions
1. How can Koreans or kpop singers give thanks to the black community? Should they shout out to blacks in the beginning of songs? Should they give free tickets to blacks? Should they publicly denounce racism? What is enough gratitude for influence and what is not enough?
2. Why is it ok kpop copy or was influenced by white American music? Kpop is one genre of korean music, less popular is krock, khiphop, etc… even trot music (korean oldies disco dance music) is from Japanese Enka music. It seems this is only an issue if any culture use black American music. Baseball can trace its origins to cricket and rounders, British based sports, football was preceded by rugby union…. Yet few Americans acknowledge or show gratitude.
3. No one can deny “black music” (jazz, rock n roll, funk, disco, hip hop) got much of their influence from “white (European) music”. Many of the instruments used in blues and jazz are classical music instruments. There a study that the first humans to use chickens as livestock were Chinese. Should blacks and white give a shout-out to Chinese folks for discovering this delicious bird?
lol you know what they want.... Just look at what's been going on politically in the U.S. for a long time now.
“White (European) music”, which is called Classical, has a very distinct sound from jazz, rock, funk, etc. The influence is not heavy just because they use the same instruments. The addition of the drum sets helped set them apart as well. Even all the music genres just mentioned don’t sound that close to each other. But Kpop is closer to all of the black music genres. Stray Kids and Enhypen literally made Drill songs as a part of there albums.
Don’t get me wrong! I’m not one of those people that yell “appropriation”. I genuinely see it as appreciation because they are making music they like, but that wasn’t a good “got ya” moment.
In addition, the black people like chicken stereotype was used to make belittle us. Its sort of like the watermelon one if you do the research on that one. The black community never took pride in chicken. We were just the first ones to fry it apparently.
@@Tiana2cute1 I agree jazz music (and blues) is very distinct from classical music. In fact, when people say “America has no culture” we can point to jazz as perhaps the greatest example of American culture. Jazz music can trace its origins to New Orleans 100 years ago where black, French and southern cultures blend. Jazz came from blues way back when slaves sang gospel music during labor. It’s very distinctly American and very distinct from classical music. Many would say it’s a mix of European and African influences. Jazz was the beginning of modern music genres: rock n roll, swing, disco, pop, etc… if anything, i over estimate how influential black people were to all music post jazz including kpop. Black people don’t get the credit for rock also, Elvis Presley took rock as black folks music that’s sinful to mainstream American music. That being said, if there was no classical music, there would be no jazz (and by extension hip hop). So I wouldn’t agree that classical music didn’t influence black peoples idea of music. The harmonica is associated with blues but it’s not even from America but Germany, for instance. Just being honest koreans in general are white peoples trend followers, because hip hip was popular in mainstream white america…. It caught on in Korea. When hip hop was relegated as genre of funk in New York City streets back in the 70s, it would have never made its way to Korea (I believe).
My whole life being Korean growing up in the US and living in Korea as an adult…. In my observation Koreans eat more fried chicken than black Americans. I was not pointing out stereotype, although I am familiar with it. I was just making the point if Asians need to be grateful to black peoples contributions to Asian culture, then the opposite needs to be practiced. I personally think the whole thing is silly. Cultural influence is generally a positive thing yet it’s being weaponized to stir up people.
@@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer Black music was made/created "independent" of anything European (such as classical as you claim). We have created more genres than anyone else on the planet, that's because we were the "first" to create music (take it or leave it). I know you will say that's nonsense but all one has to do is some research. Second, Europeans only "created" the piano, every other instrument like the guitar, harp etc... they copied and made improvements on (because they were in the position to do so), but they are not the "creators." I see many Asians such as yourself make those arguments without knowing the facts. Do some research and learn real history and not his-story (European). Cheers🍸
Lol look at this ethnonarcissism
"you need to credit your success to my ethnic group"
The common denominator to Kpop's success is Koreans. if these guys made BTS then they should make another BTS, I'm still waiting for the next JayZ
On point!
@@SK-ql3yf But, you gotta admit that it's weird when you hate a people yet behaving like them. One thing you gotta admit about black people, they DON'T partake in other people's culture. They just don't.
Kpop, is influenced by western/hiphop buuut don’t get it twisted. What Korea did is fkn genius. Nobody in a million years saw Kpop hitting at this magnitude.Think about it, breaking the racial barriers,Asian men are benefiting I mean every Kpop party I ever hear of a fck ton of Vietnamese and Chinese take full advantage of it and try to get laid by so many women they never had access too before. You mf’s need to give more credit to Koreans because it has literally changed lives for the better. Black people ya’ll need to chill, we give ya’ll enough credit, get off social media and actually go to Korea, they’re not racist towards ya’ll so stop hatin’
The Ink Spots were a year earlier (1934) than the Jubalaires. They had talking in some songs like Boyz II Men did. The Golden Gate Quartet also began the same year. They sang No Restricted Signs which mentions Buddha!
I remember seeing a video back when the Korean wave first blew the fuck up in the early 2010s. Basically, they pointed out that these Korean firms were straight up hiring black producers and other folks involved in hip hop to make KPop what it is today. The line that stuck with me most was this:
The love everything black people make. The attitude. The slang. The music. The style. The colors. The presentation.
But they don't love the people and culture that actually makes the things they love. That, in a nutshell, is cultural appropriation. It is fundamentally disrespectful, like how European descended American artists ripped songs from black artists that were the actual creators of the Rock, Blues, and Jazz genres.
So taking this view on it, KPop is engaging in the very same nonsense we've seen in decades past.
Asians have no substance. They just imitate without soul
Word
@@heavenknowsimmiserablenow14 This isn’t “CRT” because you can definitely find it in the real world lol. Clubs and bars will play black music but deny the entry of black people (something I’ve personally experienced along with many other black people). I’ve known people who love anime, but have low opinions on Asian people. I knew this white girl in college who loved Mexican food, but would make fun of Hispanic people all the time.
@@heavenknowsimmiserablenow14 My friend from college, his roommate’s favorite sport is football (a sport where the majority of players are black) and his favorite team was the Pittsburgh Steelers (a team with a black head coach), but he apparently had a dislike for black people and he would where jerseys of black players lol… you do realize that humans are complicated and will compartmentalize things?
Amazing video really putting in that work…
lmaooooooo the Shannon impression
The current generation of Kpop groups are 25 ~ 30 years from the first groups. The current groups drew their inspiration from mostly the 90s and 2000s Kpop groups, so its diffciult to ask the current groups to acknowledge the black music. The OG Kpop artists like JYP, Seotaeji had acknowledged black music, it was just in Korean back in 90s.
bruv they will know about it they still dressed black till this day.
Very good point. But a lot of current kpop artists still take inspiration from current black artists and I see a lot more acknowledgement now
@@bigstunna2049 fax when afrobeat come out koreans was the first to use it
K pop is imitation
I hope people also realize that Kpop idols and Companies are still looking at what’s popular in the west to cultivate into their own sound. This is very much still a real thing. Koreans do love to listen to popular American music. Sometimes it’s a few years behind current trends but their stores and cafes play just as much foreign popular music as they play Kpop and ballads. Kpop isn’t really as popular in South Korea as it is outside the country. Mostly high school and middle schoolers listen to Kpop. Even with this being said, it’s sad that some of the people in this comment section kinda proved the point of the argument that was presented. You can’t make this type of ignorance up.
I dont think they (Kpop industry) needs to pay homage or shot out black influences, just having a better understanding of black culture would go a long way. It feels disingenuous, because they use our slang (Ops,swag,twerking etc) not in proper context, and only cause they think its whats cool. Or they wear black hairstyles when its a rap verse. I respect Korean artist who embrace who they are (korean) but sing R&B or rap.
Imagine going to Seoul and hearing hip hop in clubs but not being allowed because of the color of your skin. Imagine traveling across Asia and seeing art and music inspired by your people but no one understanding the impact of your culture on the modern day world. Imagine someone calling aspects of your culture dirty and derogatory but yet imitating aspects of your culture without having a solid understanding of where it stems from or what it means.
It takes a lot of hard work to become and artist and shoutout to all the kpop artists for the hard work they've put in. But from experiences I've had around most of Asia, I'd say most people don't understand the visual references, cadences and musical compositions that come directly from black hip-hop and r&b artists used in kpop. Those same people hold derogatory views towards black people and black culture and actively speak maliciously about it.
don't act like as if your race is the purest of all... u guys always like to blame on others but never admit your mistakes when guys did something wrong... its double standard...
@@ilhamsahin3295 No one said a single thing about their race being the "purest of all"... The comment is just pointing out a very real issue amongst cultures. Stop projecting and gaslighting.
The common denominator in kpop is that there is no originally. And yes , they are heavily influenced by black American r&b, soul, rap , pop , dance culture . They’ve even ventured out to Afro beats 😂😂
I enjoy the songs and even have favorite artists( who don’t really focus on the genre I’ve mentioned) but I can quickly pinpoint when a song sample/dance came from and it’s usually black /non korean inspired lol
Menudo boy band was formed 1977, all boy bands grabbed from them, or maybe It's The Beatles ?
BTS did a show called American Hustle Life in 2015 where they learned about Hip Hop from Warren G and Coolio because they originally started as a rap group. They've talk about their influences in interviews like J Hope being heavily influenced by J Cole. When Bruno Mars went to Korea recently more kpop artists were at his concert than their end of year award shows.
It also helps that it's been almost a decade since Bruno Mars performed in South Korea lol. Combine that drought and him being an international super star is gonna have big named Korean celebrities out in droves. It was cool seeing so many of them of all ages and background, Kpop or not. Also, Bruno Mars is pretty much a direct U.S. counterpart of Kpop idols and how so many Idols do cover songs from him. It'll be the same thing if Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Ariana Grande, etc are ever back in South Korea.
Koreans are fake blacks are real
It's not stealing. Did Wutang steal or appropriate Asian culture on Enter The Wu-Tang?
Come on man.
Wu tang showed respect and well to Bruce lee black people made Bruce lee famous they where his first students
If credit is not given, it stealing.
Not the same. 1) Wu-Tang always shout there influences. 2) Wutang is only influenced by the aesthetics of Asia not any particular art form.
If the Wu was performing a specific Asian music style then you'd have an argument.
Outside of the name what musical style did Wu-Tang take from Asians?
@@trenee23000 I'll let RZA tell you:
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In my opinion, Kpop right now is giving credit to Black Americans the best way possible, in the form of fat royalty checks. Black musicians are composing and producing tons of Kpop tracks (Look at Niles Rogers with Leserafim's Unforgiven) and are given the creative freedom to do the kind of hip hop and RnB that fell out of favor in America that Koreans still love. These songs are made much more successful than if they were released in the US because they are matched with performers and production values that nowhere in the world can match.
Music just like food has evolved. Just enjoy what was created. We all got different taste for a reason and don't feed the trolls. Trolls are what stop innovation.
The Korean pop/r & b scene is interesting. It's kind of, like Reggae/raggaeton and rap for people of the hispanic ethnicity regardless of if the hispanic person is black or white Prince father was hard on him (the artist formally known as Prince). We all borrow from each other culturally directly and indirectly. Boys II Men were my jam back in the day. Bruno Mars is kind of the go to dude these days. Props to Koreans (their city is called Seoul). White people redirect black people out of white neighborhoods into Asian ones in LA (historically it was a setup divide and conquer). Neyo 😆 🤣 😂 😹 P.F. Chang's has a CEO of African descent. I wouldn't say kind of racist when a Chinese woman dated a Jamaican Chinese guy, the family tried to send her back to China (there are a sizable amounts of things like this that occur). I don't see the black families doing that when its the other way around (generally they're welcoming but not always). I've met a sizable amount of people from China and Korean and there was this situation where the young lady brought her black friend over, the mother checked to make sure he wasn't stealing, etc. No one tries to send their kid back to China when a white guy comes into the picture regardless of him being poor or weathy. People sure are interesting at the end of the day (its not about caring if someone is a good human being or if he or she will treat that person well). I remember when I was at Columbia University, and my friend from Hong Kong invited me to come and eat, so I did (it was me, two of my friends, one from hong kong and mainland China, a korean woman and two mainland Chinese guys). The two mainland Chinese men had something ignorant to say in mandarin, I was told, by one of my friends while they were speaking in mandarin. Nonetheless, if people have issues with diversity in this country maybe they need to stay where they are that way the problem is solved (this goes for all groups). The scary part is how young they were at the time (starts at home and if ones family is a ignorant POS than the apple will probably not fall far from the tree). I use to be for immigration, but my perception has changed due to the anti things some groups bring with them once they reach the shores of the U.S. Its ridiculous. But props to the Korean artist (these are interesting times that we're living in). The U.S. is losing some of it's creativity to others these days (creativity keeps things fresh per se).
The thing that makes me sick is that people of color say black people want credit just bc they're black, which is hilarious. We give whites credit for stuff that we don't even know if it's their invention as a whole or theur invention at all. Also, people were not quiet and didn't want to not take credit for Asian literature turned into movies where the parts were given to white people when an Asian person should have been cast but was not due to studio and execs racism of believing an Asian lead would not make them money, which is malarkey.
K pop is gimmicks
Why is everything appropriation? Of course K-pop was influenced by Black Americans. So was American pop and rock. No need to call them racist or accuse them of cultural appropriation. Way too many woke folks out there!
I agree. Why can we use the phrase “drawing inspiration from” instead of “appropriation”?
Ño, kpop needss to give hong kong pop more credit as that was the first. Also its not true but even if this thing about kpop was true. Then do you see black people giving credit to white people for the nbs or nfl. Do you see white and black ufc fighters giving credit to asian martial artists for mma fighting. Also do you know bad bunny. Jlo. These are all hispanics and they are mainstream and marketsble household names in america, unlike bts. Bad bunny is known by everyone in america esp the youth, ask 10 random people about bts or kpop and maybe 1 knows if you are lucky. Bad bunny is literally an exact copying and culture vulturing of hip hop and black rap style and everything down to a tee. Yet you hear anything about black people asking latinos and spanish ppl to apologize, nope, because they have respect and deference for latinos even though all latin artists in america is an exact copy of black rap style. Asians esp east asians need to grow some cohunez or balls and start being respected. If you want respect you need to demand respect. The fact that any racists would even bring up that question about kpop is an absolute disgrace. Do you see camila cabelonir demi lavato whom are household names in america going around asking black people for approval and permission and forgivenessneven though their singing style is an exact copy of alicia keys and jazz and soul and r and b style. An exact copy but with some spanish words etc. These are household names that you could to any college football game in america in the south or west or east coast and ask them crowd and they know them, the vast vast majority would not know bys or kpop or they would say they dont listen to korean stuff. And remember this is the same camila cabelo who called black people ni*lets in her ig post when she was in high school.ndo you see demi lavoto grammy winners who talks like shes a black woman ever apologize or give snyone credit. Nope nope nope, or even J Lo whose style was basicslly a latinization of black r and b singing style from her hometown the bronx. Remember im still im still jenny from the block song. Or even fat joe a damn white puerto rican wannabe black rapper. To my asian friends. Start acting tough and acting in a way that demands respect. Then black people will respect asians more and stop picking on them and scapegoating them because it is the path where one can hate with the least resistance even though it does not merit any.
@lockiet7227 : Yes inspiration is the right term. Not appropriation!
@@Royal_G80 I think it’s just lack of credits due given
@@lockiet7227 Agree. It's called the USA-centric racist view, and we need to stop it. The world does not revolve around the USA.
As time goes on, & despite ppl having access to more information than ever, ppl are forgetting more & more where things come from. There are so many remakes & remixes now yet the younger generations have no clue where anything comes from. Kinda like how today's movies & shows borrow from stories from the past, or the cultural influences of China & India on the rest of Asia. There's no questioning the influence of Afro-Americans on modern music tho. Ne-yo is also part Asian btw.
This is a discussion that has been going on for years. This isn’t just a Kpop issue. Music from many different backgrounds took influences from Black music and never gave credit or it took people calling it out for credit to be given. People in this comment section really need to go read a history book. Black people invented not just Hip hop and RnB but country, rock, and other genres as well. It’s just that white people took credit for those genres when they didn’t actually create me them. The real reason this topic is really a discussion is because some South Koreans literally copy and paste the way black people sing, use slang, and choreography to enhance Kpop but at the same time continue in some aspects of their culture, to commit discriminatory actions towards people of darker skin tones. We’re talking south East Asians as well.. no one is saying that Koreans drive to out out the best quality out there shouldn’t be applauded however, it’s not hard to do a google search to see it’s somewhat problematic history. There’s tons of black producers and black choreographers who contribute to Kpop behind the scenes along with Korean producers. Pop in itself is a foreign concept to South Korea that was brought in through foreign influences. Many Kpop artists have shown respect to Black music and black people but these instances become soured when there’s companies like JYP who will take R.Kelly’s whole dance and pretend like he came out with it until black Kpop fans called him out and he had to admit it. Everyone being influenced by one another is a great thing. Passing something off as your own is not.
Also, only black artists know the answer . i do not expect you two to know the answer!
Yo Neyo is a spy? This is hilarious ❤😂
As an american, i've listened to K-pop dating back to 1998 and they always had this boy/girl band thing.
You guys should do a video on J-Metal. Especially the all girl bands like Lovebites, Band Maid, and Baby Metal. Serious talent in that scene!
Baby Metal's Megitsune is a tune 🙌🏼👌🏼
J-Metal been popping since 1999! I rocka with it
@@chilliam00
Megitsune is in my top 10 favorite metal bangers, right up there with Whiplash, Run to the Hills, Roots, Painkiller and Crazy Train.
Applying ancestor worship to pop music much! Let it go bros. Jezus!
Let's be honest hear I started listening to Kpop exactly two summers ago and I have had the opportunity to catch up I. The last 28 years of Kpop going all the way back to the mid 90's. So there were other male Korean groups in the 90's. But first let me say this people come down on black people but if we hate Asians and Latinos so much why are songs from Hiroshima and Spirogyra included in black people barbecues and dance parties. Just for starters. Black people bare always welcoming but people treat us like crap so yes we have backbone and stand up for ourselves as we should. So now that it is clear that I am open minded and yes I am aware that the two above-mentioned groups actually fall under jazz as well. But it's move on. So apparently, Jinyoung Park aka JYP worked with various black artists and other record exec"s in the 90's on top of being one the biggest fans of the Bobby Brown. So why would he meaning JYP go back to Korea and partake in blackface meaning he basically had dancer's in stage doing blackface as away of trying to perfect the feel of aesthetic of an African American boy band but without black people but instead Koreans in black face. So look it up . Also, by the way I did look at the Wonder Girls movie which is I believe JYP's first female groups and enjoyed it. So colorism is huge in South Korea BTS yes I saw the entire American special that they did but that does not erase the past colorism that the group members displayed to one another throughout the years. Yes it was an insult when RM said that when first met V and J hope he could not see them because they were too dark(black) tan or when Shin dong from Super Junior said RM was starting to look black when RM boasted that was an expert in English is he began to speak AAVE or blaccent which is quite unfamiliar to me and I'm black. That was a double whammy because I was digging both BTS and Super Junior. Exo, another South Korean group picking on Kai because he was Tanned skinned constantly. Red Velvet and Wendy who apparently group up in Canada making fun of how black girls supposedly behave. I have no issues with Koreans but it is truth to the thought that just like the rest of world.South Korea has no problem with using the black cultural aesthetic but will turn around in a heartbeat (2pm) my goodness even my favorite is not exempt and say something derogatory about black people. I have proof recently I was watching a very old Kpop show in which a group of Kpop artists were discussing what they were or had been working on as far as music projects were concerned. Two females that were perceived as being tanned mentioned that they were working on a project together since they quote on quote possessed soulful voice tones. Another lady on the panel was aware and stated that in fact she had advised the boss(JYP) to call the project iduo "Black". Then another lady on the show went on to say the name would be fitting since both ladies were tanned/dark skinned. This is absolutely disrespectful to express that because someone can sing well and has slight tan skin is representative or close to black without actually being black. Asia and Latin American tv still partake in black face like it's normal with no regard to the global audience whether large or small that is impacted by such bad behavior. In the past white people in America used black face to both humiliate and copy the black aesthetic but stopped once it became uncool to do openly. However, Asia and Latin America for some reason to this day refuses to refrain from this disrespectful behavior. Reggaeton that's a great history story and afrobeats are great reads. FYI, if there are any grammar errors please forgive me in advance but I am not making any corrections.❤💃🏾🇺🇸✊🏿
I'm surprised these guys didn't know that Neyo's father is half Chinese.
I did not know . i thought it was native or something.
Because I don't think it's a well known fact? Same way how some people might not know Keanu Reeves has some Chinese blood in him
@@jdm4087 Keanu Reeves is barely Chinese, he's mostly White and native Hawaiian, his Chinese Hawaiian Grandma? She's only a quarter Chinese which means that Keanu is only 1/16th Chinese at best. LOL
First, kpop artists DO respect black music. Alot of people do. Everyone knows rap and r&b is created by black Americans. Black music has inspired music all over the world, not just kpop. The respect is clearly evident. You hear that from BTS and the other major groups.
In music, everyone inspires everyone. You can't own musical styles.
The kpop system was a direct copy of the jpop idol system. Rap had very little influence on kpop in the beginning.
Black music itself was influenced by white music.
For example, the first girl groups were all white. The first black girl group, the Shirelles, came 30 years later. Black music was heavily influenced by white music. Now rap is definitely a new, totally black artform.
As someone who does not like rap or r&b, I wish kpop would stop these elements in their music. It never sounds good, which is why I stopped listening to US music long ago.
Videos like this only create more anti asian racism.
It's sad how a black person like Ne-Yo can't even praise the k-pop industry without it sparking some kind argument.
Niggas insecure as hell. This is what happens when "men" are raised by single moms
it doesn’t need to be an argument, yes. I’m with you. Keep in mind though, a lot of music derived from or is inspired from African Americans and credit is never really given. So he’s not wrong. Just the wrong time.
Isn't Ne-Yo half Korean ?
@@yungslickie15facts we need that credit
I like K POP! At least it’s clean, takes me back to the days where the music was fun, melodic, and wholesome.
You’ll see the typo on the thumbnail too, right?
no one owes anyone anything. the entitlement of this generation is out of control.
No they don't.
Does the Wu Tang Clan give credit to their local Chinese vendor? I highly doubt.
12:30 I think the difference is K pop doesn't acknowledge its roots and influences where the black and white chefs 9 times out of 10 will still acknowledge by the name of the resturant etc where the food is from (thai, korean bbq) etc. i don't think they can relate to the racial dynamics of america
Most Definitely! For a musical genre of American influenced music, it's unfortunate that South Korea today is still a racist society against foreign people and more specifically Black People.
I will say that Hip pop and R&B definitely influenced kpop Yet their hard work is still the formula of success. Also kpop is not just Hip pop R&B with Korean face. It Seems like so many people want credit with things they are only tangentially related. Appropriation? Blk culture incorporated Kung fu culture anime how much shout out is there? We can trace back culture, how do you show credit? Perhaps there's collaboration and create things we both can enjoy
Black culture shout out anime all the time… they show a strong appreciation for the genre even when they aren’t representing well in the genre/industry of anime.
No, it’s mainly seeing white skinned faces doing our music. That’s why it’s popular. There’s nothing hardworking about that. This has been a purposeful effort to whitewash to erase the Black Americans from their own music and art forms for decades. Koreans are NOT creative enough to have created K-pop on their own. So give me a break. That’s why their singing is soulless just like those half-assed dances they do. Their is no soul in it. It’s always rhythm-less non Blk Americans who think k-pop is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It’s just watered down Black American music. Which is seeing a bunch of pale stick figures trying to keep a beat. Which is not impressive to a group of ppl that created and inspired the greatest dance moves and dancers in world for decades. That’s why most of the popular dances are created by Black Americans, just look at Tik Tok. And I highly advise you to read “The Harvard Report: A Study of the Soul Music Environment Prepared for Columbia Group”. This book explains how non Black corporations are trying to make soulless music by erasing Black Americans musicians. And K-pop is one of those genres that lacks any soul.
And Black Americans always give credit where credit is due. We’re not white or Asian where we just leech off every one. We supported those Kung Fu movies of the 70s because white ppl weren’t. We PUT MONEY INTO THE ASIAN community. We didn’t just steal and leech off it like the Koreans do with us and K-pop. And just because you have some Black Americans that watch Anime doesn’t mean we’re appropriating anything. We’re still supporting Asian mediums financially. Asians go out of their way to boycott the Black American community. Here in America and in their countries. This how clueless you Non Black Americans really are about our culture that you constantly rip off.
Black Americans try not to take credit for literally anything: Impossible challenge.
Lol and we damn near made k pop need that credit
@@bootybanditforrest2396 You guys deserve nothing.
@@bootybanditforrest2396 Asian also made Jon Jones and all black MMA.
Appreciation is given on significant levels to 10 or 26.
There is a fine line between appropriation and inspiration. And this is definitely the latter.
No.
SOUTH KOREA SHOULD GIVE CREDIT TO CAPITALISM THATS WHY IT DEVELOPED VERY FAST., THE SECOND THING, I THINK K POP HAS EARNED ITS TITLE AS A GENRE OF MUSIC, BUT INFLUENCED BY BLACK CULTURE., LASTLY IN MY OWN VIEW THE K POP MUSICIANS AND GROUPS ARE DOING THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY DONE BY AMERICAN POP CULTURE "BLACK" WHERE YOU CAN EASILY CLASSIFY THE 70S BLACK MUSIC, 80S BLACK MUSIC, 90S BLACK MUSIC AND 2000S & 2010S BLACK MUSIC., AND THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT., BUT K POP TOOK ALL THAT AND MADE IT INTO ONE WHOLE BIG THING WHICH K POP ESSENTIALY ., NOW THEY HAVE STARTED REAPING OF AFRICAN MUSIC INFLUENCE AFROBEAT & AMAPIANO.
Boybands and the like never die, they just change forms to suit the times they are in. And the ideas for such come from not just America but Europe like the UK or Sweden... that's where the majority of 90's/2000's boyband stuff came from even if the people in the group were american. But yes, black music has a huge influence on boybands with the R&B and rap influences
Apparently anything that is main stream is black influence 😂😂
Well, it's hard not to think of black people whenever singing is involve. They're the embodiment of music. The Koreans literally created companies to copy African culture.
In the defense of K-Pop’s influence, most artist were influenced by pop and rock artist who hit it big.
David Bowie, Madonna, Prince. Hell, even Michael Jackson played a huge role in K-Pop.
Hip hop as well played a role
@@Chi_06a HUGE role
@@midnighteye2737 please not Michael Jackson.. K-pop doesn’t sound like him not even close
@@Chi_06 Listen to Red Velvet's "Look" and tell me that wasn't inspired by Michael Jackson.
@@keithmoh1 okay let me listen to it and get back to you
Neyo isn’t Chinese, his ancestry dna test was 0.2% East Asian lol.
As a black American man K- Pop artist have gotten their influences from black American R&B and Rap artist in America. Michael Jackson, Usher, Bobby Brown, Chris Brown the list goes on. As a black American man I like some K Pop artist because I see the black American influences in the K Pop culture.
They say the n word too
Many Kpop artists have given credit to black American music and many have sought to collaborate with black artists. Just because people take something and then improve or take it in another direction doesn't constitute appropriation. Do black artists appropriate white inventions by using microphones and equipment invented by white people? Do any black people have tattoos of Asian letters and symbols? Any black women wearing wigs made from actual Asian hair? Seems like selective outrage, as usual.
Kpop artists are putting out art that is like nothing ever seen before. Seems like some people can't stand to see Asians excelling. There is nothing in the west that can compete with the level of video quality, camera work, choreography, singing, dancing, fashion, and creativity. Kpop is leading the world in the combination of these qualities. To try to say that all, or even most, of Kpop is just a version of American music is bull sht. Watch 10 Kpop videos and you will see a huge range of types of music, not all or even most of which, have black music influences.
Well nowadays Kpop is very much American music just in Korean. Which is pretty sad because I've been into kpop since 2013 and even back then Kpop felt more unique, even with American influences, it was still very much a Korean production. Nowadays, most kpop is produced by non-Koreans, on top of that, the songs are getting shorter, the quality is dropping, everything sounds like its trying to be the next Tik-Tok hit which sucks. It's not even about the music anymore really. There are groups that sell over a million copies of their album on the first day but then the songs don't even chart in Korean charts because the fans just buy the albums to break records. There's literally pictures of landfills in Korea full of just kpop albums. Everything is about the competition and virality and not about the music anymore.
@@hyewonderfull In 10 years there is going to be someone that will say exactly the same thing you are reminiscing about the Kpop songs that are released now. Bet the house on it. No different from the baby boomer reminiscing about the songs from the 60's.
Guess you never heard of Motown. They just didn’t have the video technology and internet back then. What K-pop is doing is not unique. Music is just more global now.
@@kimleemoonbeing a singer is not unique, modern music is not unique.
We should give credit to the creator of instruments and tunes. Modern artists are all stealers...
@@hyewonderfullk pop is not American music
K pop is bleached blond Asian men mocking black swag
Kpop has evolved the art of popular music to the next level end of story. They work extremely hard as their American & Japanese predecessors from the past. As an active open format Dj i hear the argument all the time but these same artists find a easy target in Kpop but refuse to call out the same issues in afrobeats about music being stolen et all.
Evolved the art of popular music to the next level, how?
@flirt1diva Showmanship for one , the choreography is as good for pop music since MJ died to keep it real. The last three vocalists anyone gave a rats ass about in pop music were Mj /Whitney & Freddie Mercury.
American audiences are digging Kpop because it at the very least is refreshing in the aspect of dance.
How is music stolen in Afrobeats?
We can give them credit when they stop being the group most racist towards us Asians. Dialogues have to be two-way.
Ain't Neyo part Asian himself?
K-pop is taking over r&b and hip hop in America
Lol never
K pop is feminine imitation without soul
No
An interesting question. I actually think about this from time to time whenever I hear K-Pop songs with a heavy trap or reggaeton influence. Having said that, I'd be interested to know what the Hispanic & Latin community think .. Reason being is because modern Latin music e.g. Despacito, is only really intended for Spanish audiences, & their popularity in Anglo & international countries is only a "by-product" of the song's success. But I'd like to hear what they think of hearing their sound in Asian music - because this demographic is known to be fiercely proud & guarded about anything that's theirs being imitated by different cultures.
NO.
Doesn't black have to give back to Irish and English. Where do black culture came from?
Tell us oh smart one!😂
@@thesoulbrother8636year later he still ain’t ever tell us😂 & their supposed to be book smart? Wtf is he smoking
No Hip Hop RnB (western music) there will be no K-Pop also no J-Pop there will no K-Pop because Korean music in early 90s learn and adapted from Japan music industry with their label music companies (Johnny & Associates, LDH, Avex Trax etc). Avex Trax
have project called XGALX create Global GG XG all the member are Japanese (one half Australian) the producer Simon
(Japanese-Korean) make XG music more respect to Black American music with 90s 2000s Hip Hop and RnB vibes.
The boybands culture did not originated from Japan also the Johnnys groups been sexually abused by the founder for years its not even a serious music company to serve any inspiration instead, j pop need to Stop copying k pop
Man now this has nothing to do with the subject they are talking about but how the heck can they make so many videos this fast like i know tomorrow probably there is gonna be 2 videos or something and they are not even bad quility i hopes those two take care themselves they really be taking bullets with their sleep scadual to make videos
These videos are only 15 minutes. They probably film a month's worth of videos in a week.
Speaking on black and Asian relations modern day I think alot of it have to be mainly from two groups Koreans and Chinese following you around in the store acting like you gonna steal something happened to me and my parents are rich where nice clothes yet drive nice car but still think I’m stealing
Black people tend to get along with southeast Asians a lot better aka the darker ones specifically Filipinos Cambodians Thai Vietnamese and others not saying theirs no tension but get along better
It's because they had experiences of black people stealing from them? That's where it stems from. It's noticing a pattern and trying to prevent it from happening again. It's not right and it sucks but it's not like it comes from nowhere besides the color of your skin.
Bruh first off....
If you & your family rich, what da hell you doin inside HOOD Chinese stores??? 😂
What ya'll buyin 40 once beer bottles for da homies!
@@invisiblerevolution I have multiple houses some in white are and the other in black area it’s really a middle class black city mount vernon ny but some parts of it are bad
@@Revenger3rdUnit I been through multiple racist incidents with Asians does that mean I’m gonna judge them all no I had situations with Asian gangs in California does that mean they all dangerous no
No, why would or should they?
Everything is shared quit complaining.
I dunno, does Michael Jackson give credit to his style that was influenced by a lot of other dancers and artists?
Yes, Michael Jackson gave credit to James Brown, who was one of his influences.
MJ wanted to be a white woman!
No it's definitely about black culture just like with everything that's popular on TikTok. Dances, slang outfits, hair designs, shoes this is the same with Europe they even wear Laker and Brooklyn jerseys not knowing where in the hell they are.
I have no problem with any of this at all it actually helps black culture in my opinion. But the problem comes when you say we invented this culture as opposed to saying Kpop is Korean pop and it's roots actually come from black culture.
I saw someone mention it's not black music it's
"American pop culture"😂
Where do u think American pop culture came from? It came from AfroPop which is African. The king of pop is Michael Jackson. If your gonna argue at least use Facts😂
I can't wait for black folks to give credit to Europeans for using their instruments and basing dances and songs from them 🤩 oh wait they won't so with the same logic no Korea's shouldn't go out of their way to give credit to blacks they are just mad korean music is more relevant now days
European instruments?😂 Is that the same as European water?😂 You sound like a clown!😂
Cheers 🍷
Kpop sounds more pop than black american music. Theres some influences there of course, the rapping and the musical composition of some of the songs. However to always target Kpop and not any other music around the world is very narrow minded. Why not tell white people to credit black american culture? Black music also takes influences from around the world, so does any other pop music. Its just unfair targeting of asians again, jealousy and possibly racism.
The majority of popular music today and the past 100 yrs are derivatives of black American created music (rap/hiphop, rock, rnb, jazz, blues, funk, certain aspects of country and pop)
Why I see alot of Asians doing that queer ass ish on the internet. “Oh whyte people stole from black culture but when we do it we get called out” that’s lgbt behavior and ur foolish if you think we don’t call them out
& try again my queer pal. Black people set the trends, we influence not get influenced. Even try to reply back to this comment with any race/ ethnic groups you think even comes close to the influence blacks people have on westernized pop culture it impossible.
This is such a great conversation.
K-Pop was heavily influenced by Black American music Hip-Hop and R&B I'm pretty sure a lot of them will say they did get influence by these genres
Why would you call this exploitation if kids sign up to be idols on their own? That's their dream; they are willing to try it, and platforms exist. Let's not get confused about getting inspired vs. stealing. That's not the same thing. Global K-pop artists should give credit to their inspirations like BTS does. Finally, most importantly, let's give K-pop artists credit for being "talented," period.
Les artistes K-pop ont un réel besoin de côtoyer les artistes non K-pop pour évoluer dans leur carrière et perdurer, je pense.
Les artistes americains sont une source d'inspiration pour la créativité musicale de la K-pop.
Cry more . What about when black musicians use edm in their songs ? You gonna shout out tiesto ? Calvin Harris ? Thought so
Hip hop is not r&b and .. r&b it's not hip Hop
Lets face it ALL modern pop/ rock/ hip hop roots all trace back to black culture ultimately to Africa.
@@Jurk844 name some examples
Hip Hop was heavily influenced by Kung Fu, did they give us RESPECT and the CREDIT we deserve?
No it wasn't, but nice try. Cheers🍸
Fuck no
I'm concerned that vids like these could lead to more anti asian hate crimes.
You do know that most of those attacks were done by white people right
oh come on man, every time asian people are coming up a certain group always gotta dis smh every time no matter what it is music, fashion, fighting etc. they always gotta discredit and kick asians. that's why i dont follow that crap anymore, to me it was just something we did as teens and you grow out of it. but doesnt matter who started what, haters gonna hate. they seem to only accept spanish. maybe they feel threatened, when asians do it we do it well
They need to give credit to New Kids on the Block, they are the original boy band that started this craze for soulless run-of-the-mill boy/girl bands 😉
You need to learn history regarding boy bands (you must be young). Jackson 5 and Debarge were way before the people you mentioned. But I'm not surprised bc you're white washed as usual.
No, you’re wrong. New Kids on the Block were influenced by New Edition, a black boy band from the early 80s. NKOTB even acknowledged at a recent award show that there would be NO boy bands without the existence of New Edition. (Look up Battle of Boston on AMAs).
Honestly, New Edition was influenced by The Jackson 5. Then you have The Temptations, The Four Tops, & all the boy bands from the late 50s, early 60s that came out of Motown.
Yes, they does
@@mariaaballi-gonzalez3716 nope they don’t.
Why should they give them credit when they themselves don't give credit on the music and dances they base their moves on? Because they are black that doesn't mean they will get a special treatment let them give credit themselves frist and then have the guts to ask for credit from others
So much confidence, yet no common sense.
Be quiet clown and stop appropriating black music!😂
Hell yes!!!
who created music? nobody knows... i'm pretty sure not a a particular race created or invented music... its all mix up but people nowadays just want to say this thing owns by this and other owns by this... nonsense...
Melanated "so called black" African people created music first. This is a fact since they are the first humans on the planet.
Cheers🍸
K POP dont need to shout out nobody. Boy Bands and New Jack swing has been thrown in the dumpster years ago, they found the treasure.