VW Golf GTI MK2 vs up! GTI - DRAG & ROLLING RACE | carwow
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- It's Volkswagen vs Volkswagen for our latest drag race! But this time, we’re doing something a little different… It’s new school vs old school as the Mk 2 Golf GTI goes up against the new Volkswagen up GTI! They’re both packing similar horsepower, but can the new kid teach the old dog some new tricks? There’s only one way to find out… Let’s race!
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And how much horsepower did that mk2 actually have after 30 years
Got memes? Hp loss over time is a myth.
Tony Badivuk it’s Not. They loose hp over time. I just saw a comparison between a old 911 and a countouch. 911 lost a lot while the lambo just 20 hp or so
@@nikomoin7604 true!
There are numerous dyno test videos showing cars that have lost horsepower with age.
@@TonyEG6 no. The drivetrain goes through a lot of wear and tear, carbon buildup etc. Over the years and loses both power and efficiency.
When you're so slow and you have to race your grandad to feel like you're fast.
Fact
Lmao (XD)
Golf Mk2 still looks great.
R W my dad had one and he loved it. So much fun to drive! I agreed they still look great.
@POTUS I haven't seen your nans toaster. Does it look good?
Uh no? It's ugly as fuck. Old piece of shit
@@scoss2 same here, my dad got his in a magazine. Funnily thing was they called whilst my dad put it up on sale.
agreed. Old Golf's are still cool :)
The rolling start was like: 3, 2, 1, GO.... nothing happens 😂😂😂
No perspective on a racetrack, a Chiron would look the same....
That's the calmest drag race I've ever watched! 😂
bahahahahahahahaha
Watch a drag race of electric cars tho
@@ilyasovich Electric cars' immensely quick acceleration compensates for their lack of engine and exhaust noise, while this drag race was like two minivans having a walk in the park.
Rehaan Khan, but even with their immense acceleration they are still more boring to watch (and drive once the novelty wears off) than these two little cars. There is almost no visceral experience or enjoyment with EV’s unfortunately.
That's your opinion dude
UP! GTI vs Lupo GTI. That would be way better comparison :)
czcams.com/users/volkswiz...
The Lupo will annihilate the up stock for stock
its not about comparrison, just having fun
Can you please please do a drag race between all the gti generations
Mk1 vs mk2 vs mk3 vs mk4 vs mk5 vs mk6 vs mk7
And which one do you prefer
Pleeeeeaaase🙏🏻
@POTUS that ain't a gti
@UCn2cV8HErKpRdu8f9eHrsIQ that's not the point, the point would be to see by how much
@POTUS The Mk5 R32 is a heavy and slow piece of shit
I've had a mk5/6/ & now a mk7 gti pp..which is the best car by far, although i liked the mk5 too, the mk6 not so much....
@POTUS mk4 S3 225 😂
Up is a 1000kg car? It looks like it's 800kg or less...
Audi 80 weights the same lul
No way the up is over a ton 😂
Tech will drag (get it 😂) you down.
Its heavy cos Its full of hopeless dreams.
Gotta be heavy makes it safee
Do this test after 10 years, that vw up will be dead in a junkyard and that old vw 2 will still run smooth with that engine.
I think you'll find the UP will be fine lol. The parts will be around a lot longer than MK2 golf parts
Loundsify modern VW’s are shite, vw are simply trading on past glories, the up will be dead and forgotten, the Mk2’s will live on, the classic vw sceane will take care of that.
yes fkin down sizing cars i hate this trend so much
1.0 ltr engine with a turbo 112 hp fk this
stop talking out of your ass, stupid boomer
I rather have the Golf anyways, such a beautifull car!
I'd still rather have a stock Mk.2 Golf GTI than a goddamn Up
same
Not the same.
@Penguin Raining thunderstorms What a strange choice of insult.
Same
Preach.
Wonder why you guys didn't use a 16v mk2? 😆
The owner of that MK2 is very fortunate, that thing looks soo fresh😍
@TheCamshafter No shit bro. The price of that specific car goes up every year
BosnishMaffia This Mk2 is owned by VW UK as part of their heritage fleet. It has actually done less than 1000 miles.
Tom Banks believe you but can I get some proof?
Captain 69 Ring Volkswagen UK and ask them for a comprehensive spec sheet list of their heritage fleet 🙄
Tom Banks like I live in UK... surely you didn't call and asked them..
I drive a 60HP Up. It may be slow as hell but it holds corners really well and is superbly fun to drive. I may get the GTI one day, which I suspect pushes the envelope of what the Up chassis can actually handle towards the edge. The lower powered models don’t and you can throw them into corners at alarming speeds while still nailing the throttle.
Regardless of pace, one of these cars is so much more desirable. The beautiful, stunning, iconic, perfect, mk2. Always.
I think this shows what I thought as soon as the specs of the Up were released- it's a bit of a missed opportunity. Give it 140hp and let it compete with the Ecoboost Fiesta/ Swift. What a riot that would be.
@@fabers92 it has to compete with the Renault twingo RS first
comedyman112 I agree there’s the Polo for the Fiesta. Also my fav car of all time is GTI and I know that most GTI fans state that MK2 is the best, nothing is perfect
True, the Renault is apparently excellent in that tiny car segment. ^ talking about the 1.0 Fiesta, the 'warm' hatch segment, which Ford seems to have cornered now. They'll give you seats with some side bolsters too, unlike VW. For me the Mk1 and 2 in terms of pure aesthetic design are perfect, just spot on. Compared the mess of a blobfish here in red.
@@fabers92 They're classics
Hp loss over time can be very much minimized and considering that this was a pretty mint condition golf 2, im sure it was still rocking like 110.
I think you people underestimate what a 5 speed vs a 6 speed can do, not even considering that the golf pumps out about 150 vs the up!'s 200 nm of torque.
Now, technically this is the lowest version of the golf 2 gti, the 1.8 8v, vs the highest version of the up. If we were to use the golf 2 gti 16v or g60, that would have looked very different.
But i think its more about the "does the up gti really compare to an oldschool gti like the manufacturer says"
And having driven both myself, i can safely say: fuck yes, the up gti is a blast
Thank you, I don't get it what's with the hate on up. It's a great little car and with 110hp it's probably pretty punchy too. Golf mk7 gti weighs way more so if you want the feel of the old light hatchbacks up! Is the way to go
Golf MK2 is a true LEGEND !
AnimeOtakus it is true 😊👏
Put your pants back on
Not the simple gti, the g60 one
@@stamos9195G60 Limited 😀
I'd still have the Golf. I miss my old MK2 GTI 16v.
Who else would like to see Doug go through the quirks and features of the mk2 golf gti
LOL Doug QnF Demuro
A14 CTEL the annoying Doug Demuro?
Quark is a dairy product, I think you mean quirk...
nobody, fuck off
@@Maurice_Moss haha exactly 'quirk' and features
After all these years the old GTI lost compression for sure, so it is not a fair battle. What i can say is that that old car still looks awesome, and brought me a lot of memories.
Should have been the 16v GTI Golf
My thoughts exactly. The Up would'nt have stood a chance.
As the Up is dohc (12v). Yeah Golf needed to be dohc too
I mean G60 would demolish UP 😂😂
true
UP 200kph - MK2 16V 240kph^^
The 8v Mk2 Golf had 112 bhp (114 lbft), not 115. It was never a rocket ship even when new. However, on this video the Golf's launch was weak, looked like it bogged down, or the driver was being gentle - and given that it only had 1000 miles on it, I suspect it was rather tight. It may have been short shifted a little too - difficult to tell. 8v redline was 6,500 rpm or thereabouts. I suspect a more enthusiastic driver and a car with circa 60k miles on it would have given the Up a little more competition. That said, it's unlikely VW would want a 30 year old Golf to show up their current car, so a little creative directing was probably in play to make the Golf look worthy, but ultimately not quite so quick. ;) As comments below would attest, a 16v Golf of that era, or even one of the early K-Jetronic versions of the 8v (rather than this 'softer' digifant injected version) would have eaten the Up.
Also the up will have a six speed box so starting both in second is iffy too as the up will have lower gearing.
Yeah quite hopeless
Renault 5 Turbo & Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi were the motors to have for outright speed. The Golf MK2 falls about mid way between the 1.6 and 1.9 205 GTi's. The 1.6 would have put in about the same performance as this MK2 with a good driver.
The start off the line in this video was poor, the MK2 driver backed off after dumping the clutch where if he'd have kept it pinned it wouldn't have lost that much momentum from wheelspin.
Spot on
I agree with the k-jet vs digifant. As well, remember when Top Gear dragged a DX engined mk1 against the AGG engined mk4?
No braking test? Probably not good for the old Golf... XD
but i think 1000eu 30 years old Golf is better option than that expensive weird Up
PetrolHead BS I know, but the Up! is probably much safer
EuroNCAP did a test of an old Golf (Mk1 or Mk2, can't remember), a VW Beetle (original version, but built in the 80's, rather than a really old one), vs a Golf IV to show the progress in crash safety, and the old Golf crumbled up so badly! czcams.com/video/SeMrOQfliCs/video.html (there's no actual sound, just some useless music on the video, so feel free to mute it)
2000 pound golf stops quick.
Simnater Croc oh no bruh, euro cars can all cruise at over 160 km/h without building up heat. You could drive your 30 year old Gti at 180 km/h all day everyday for years and years. They’re not powerful but they’re able to do the autobahn.
After all these years, I still love the Mk2 so much! This specific one is so neat ;lucky owner.
Nice to see. But if the engine of mk2 has not been overhauled how do we know its not down on power.
Yep
Jesper very true, cars will increase in power initially as they loosen up then lose lose power over time, even with good maintenance, unless they regularly stripped down down the engine
You can see this was a promotional video for the new UP GTI. Here in South Africa i can give you at least 10 Mk2's in my area alone that would all smoke the Up. Looks like the person did not even try, and the Up GTI is hilariously slow.
I am sure those Mk2's will smoke most other sports cars on the road 😏
Charl Meyers Charl Meyers Lol no, The MK2 is just a little faster than the up. Did not even hear that one hit Rev Limiter.
0:44
Mat shifting into 2nd gear:
*Turns on Right Turn Signal*
Richard Hammond:
*He's a save and sensible driver!*
You should use the 16v mk2
no.. for a stock race the MK2 GTI G60 is better
16v is also stock, so what do you mean?
@@sphiwemashaba2661 i mean that if both are stock, the g60 is better than the 16v
Obi Wan Kenobi no
@@thomasmessner1450 dude ofc it is. why should the 16V be faster than the G60
And STILL the Mark 2Golf GTI is the most handsome generation of VW hatchbacks. Beats the up/down/shake-it-all-about
0:44 nice to see someone indicating for a change👍
Everything was happening , the old will remain in our hearths forever 🖤
So this was a bit of sales advertising for the Up......with the Golf GTI 16v Mk2 the result would have been different.
'Sales advertising'? As opposed to what other kind of advertising?
I have never been so sad in my life
Agreed
No brakes test 😂😂, I wanted to see the evolution of those as well :)
I love the UP GTI...
You forgot to mention that the new up is more aerodynamic. Beyond 50kmh aerodynamics are as important as horse power.
Tomoko Kishi "as important"? No...over 200km/h maybe. At 50 its importante, yes, but not as importante as power. Below 100km/h thats the weight that makes more effect after power and traction.
If you look my profile pic , can you see what choice i do
SaaS 97 👍😊
Luca Marzorati of course you pick the up
My mum
Still golf gti👌🏽
The 16v would of eaten the up ‘up ‘ lol they had to choose a 8v 🤦🏼♂️
Nah 8 v and 16 v both are slow
@@AndresV0182 lmao u have no clue
@@lowkey.5am725 i have a 16v 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@AndresV0182 and u find it slow 💀?
@@lowkey.5am725 of course not, it’s mad fun but I’m pretty sure that it’s not faster than the upi, last week I lost in a drag race v a normal stock civic coupe so it’s not that fast
I had a Mk2 Golf GTI many years ago. Was an "F" reg, was about four years old, had 56k on the clock and was fantastic to drive. The sound, the solid feel. One of the best cars ive had. Lets not forget that back in the late 80s there wasnt many fast hatchbacks on the roads like there are today, and 115bhp in a light car was quite a lot of power back then so it felt very quick. Not much could beat me. Happy days.
Rose tinted glasses mate. They are shit to drive.
@@Wargwarn maybe if you drive one thats thirty years old 🤣 and clearly you didnt own one that was only four years old way back in the day when there wasn’t many alternatives. Im guessing you’re one of them millennials that couldn’t even drive in the 1980s. Keep smiling and remember its now 2024 yeah not 1989 so obviously the car industry has moved on since then.
And if I was to be in an accident I would want to be in the Up! - there’s progress for you...🧐😂
To all the folk who've posted negative comments about the Up GTi. Ive got and it's a fun car. Didn't buy it to please anybody else. You're entitled to your opinion..
Try 120-200 km/h. I had a mk2 GTI engine in my Audi 80 (1.8E), i guarantee that it will still beat it.
I don't think they can reach 200.
More like 190-195
What does the torque has to do at 60 or even 80 mph, it's the aerodynamics which matter the most at high speeds, that's why the up won and probably because the golf lost some horses after 30 years
Yes aerodynamic drag is the limiting factor, but what do you need to overcome that air resistance? All vehicles face the same basic problem with moving through the air. You need power. Power is torque x RPM. So torque has an awful lot to do with it.
Ima call Boba on u :3
Lol the up would get smoked
Cwandin I think every car I’ve seen in here would, especially in the rolling race
i'd take that Mk2 over the Up in a heartbeat!
More of these old vs new, really enjoy watching these.👍
How about a drag between the Up Gti and the Polo G40 (1.0Turbo with 115hp against a 1.3 8v compressor with 113hp)
Very interesting idea, closer from the concept.
Should have pulled a Boba Motoring Golf mk2
Hahahaha duuuude,I was about to say the same thing!
@@georgestam1710 Hahahahaha
I wonder how a 16V would compare. Either way, you can stick your up, right up. I'll take the Mk2, thank you very much.
Fiat Punto GT or Uno mk2 turbo vs Abarth 500.
Given the Mk II was a very late model, I'd say it most probably had a cat. And with a cat, that model produced 107 PS (non cat version was 112 PS).
The weight issue is pretty interesting - although I would hazard a guess that a late Mk II like that was probably over a ton - especially a posh version like the one used here with lots of options.
I did drive a 1988 Mk II GTI back in the late 80s/early 90s and even back then it didn't feel overwhelmingly quick. It was adequate for the time, but compared to a Kadett/Astra GSI 16V, a Mk II GTI 16V or even a MK I GTI it was a little underwhelming.
Brakes test?
Frédéric RENAUD brake*
The Up would annihilate the Golf for brakes. Just having ABS alone would make a big difference (assuming the Mk2 is not one of the few that had ABS). Would have been an interesting comparison though.
Maybe not like you think....The Golf is lighter and abs does not necessary means u brake better. So...
That gotta be interesting... Lol,!
Do you want to kill the MK2? Damnation!
1.0 TURBO , and 1.8 pure atmo engine... stupid to compare it :/
Maki vw agreed
At least I’d still have my pride driving a golf 😂
Not a popular result. It just goes to show that acceleration isn't just a factor of power to weight, torque to weight is also a factor.
That said, I'd still love to have a Mk2 Golf again, especially as clean as that one.
1.0 Turbo and 1.8 without turbo. Torbo is very important and everybody who have a car with turbo knows it.
You didn't say how much power the Golf GTI 1.8 8V 112 HP or 1.8 16V 136 HP has. I am not talking about GOLF II G60 or VR6 anymore.
Mk2-beautiful
Up!-shit
Old is gold
Up is a good and mk2 you are fu ck hater
Put that Up! Against a MK2 GTI 16v and it would’ve been left for dead
What about G60 ? :) Not only simple GTI 8V!
LOL ... 16V G60 ---> 210 HP !!!
💪💪💪
MK2 power bro!
Mk2 GTI G60 Limited Edition is real legend
@@ivi1232 True bro, in that time, G60 same as flying car today...
I think it would be cool to put the Up GTI against one of the MKII Golf’s UK competitors: the MG Maestro EFI which was advertised to be a second faster than the golf back in the day
You remember as a child when you put two snails next to each other to see wich one is faster?
On that rolling race it was probably the aerodynamics that done it for the up...never started pulling till the high speeds
Love the up! GTI, shame we can’t get this over New Zealand
Sad, but not as sad as no Dacia.
It's a over priced piece of shit lol.
I'm also from NZ, only ever seen 1 up! for sale here but wasn't a GTI. I would also love one .
GinGER too bad. We don’t get too many Lupo GTI in NZ either, we need to import either UK or Japan for that special little car
GinGER we have Mahindra and Folton tho 😂
I prefer the mk2 GTI. Although i will hand it to the UP GTI it's amazing how a modern small turbo engine thats only a 1l can keep up with a older much bigger engine.
I'd still rather have the mk2 golf.
i would love to see the rabbit vs the mk 2 gti 16v vs the mk3 gti 16v vs the mk3 vr6 12v vs the mk4 gti etc to the mk7 Clubsport and eventually the golf R
Vw caddy vs Peugeot partners please❤❤
Good to see the comparison of some more 'normal' dare I say everyday cars. I wonder if the Up will be a classic? That Golf still looks modern and fresh. Great design.
The MK2 still looks timeless amazing opposite that Up shit.
Nostalgia is an amazing thing..
@@TheSpudlyMcgudly It's not always the case. A lot of people don't like the over bloated and heavy look of most modern cars. The visibility also suffer the fat design of today
My first car was used Mk.2 GTI, in 1995. Had it for 3 years, than dad of my friend bought it from me, and made a lot of repairs and mods, turning it into a fun weekend car.
That Mk2 launch was terrible.
I feel the pain with my old Bimmer... E36 328i Convertible, 2.8 Straigth-6 engine sounding better than most things on the road, yet any new mid-tier diesel or 1.6-2l petrol will smash me in family cars. Oh well.
ModHunter rebuild it and itll be better than before
Never thought I'd say that but that Up GTI looks really good
I want to see a drag race between the Polo G40, Fiat Uno Turbo, Renault 5 Turbo, Fiesta XR2i, Charade Gti, Swift Gti, 106 Rallye etc... that would be really cool, but probably also impossible
well, take the 16 valve version with 138 HP and the Up will be left for dead :)
That's not the point,it's testing cars of a similar weight and power
Does that golf still have all the horses though???
This is the slowest race on CZcams haha
boba motoring: me golf go brrr
The mk2 needs setting up. 18secs 1/4 is hopeless and definitely slower than the figures recorded back in the day. I tuned my 8v with a 2L block, big valve flowed head & schrick cam & that was good for 7.4 0-60 & sub 16sec 1/4m. Very good for its day
they both definitely beat new Tesla roadster
Great sarcasm!!!
Of course they will. They are both real cars. They can easily beat a fictional one.
A true petrol-head Yeah mate, electric cars are shit.
So shit infact that the new Golf GTE absolutely DOMINATES the Golf GTI in every way, shape and form... 😂
@@ThatsMrMaxHeadroomToYou golf gte is a hybrid. E golf is the electric car. And it loses to the gti in every way
@A true petrol-head I completely agree
So 30 years of development and newest Technology, and it’s only 0,3 sekunds faster. I thought the carindustry were better then that
Tbf the UP GTI is meant to be the most affordable GTI. It starts at around £14,000 new so you can't expect crazy power at that price point. If you want to look at more progress in speed then just have a look at the mk7 Golf GTI which is miles ahead in speed
Never disrespect a Golf 2 like this again! 🙁
Disrespect ? In what way ?
Awesome race. The cars were very closely matched.
I would love to see a collab with doug demuro
About the Years I drove 3 different Conti Tyres on the same car, from new to 10. Sport Contact (great wett grip), EcoContact (no grip but -1L/100km) and PremiumContact. It's as drive 3 different Cars. And I drive a old Car at this Time, with the EcoContact. Today the Tyres look ok, but they old, they lost grip.
So take your favorite car, make service all time, use good Tyres, and have fun.
Tell the driver of the mk2, to be more aggressive. 3.5k rpm. Jump off the clutch and mash the trottle...by by up.
Exactly how I used to launch mine, no need to back off the throttle with a bit of spin like this driver did.
Yeah, but thats is not is 30 year old GTI. Its from someone else who gentle give it for this litle test
The real difference is fuel consumption or better said efficiency. Keeping the up under 6 liters is not very hard, at the same time the GTI will consume well over 10 liters.
factory new the golf would have smoked that up
No it wouldn’t
slow drag races can be just as fun as the big showy ones with multi million pound cars!
But will the Up's engine last as long as the MKII's did?
Maintain and service it and it will last just fine, just like any other car (for the most part)
Dunno why there's this stupid myth about these smaller engines being unreliable junks. Just isn't true
Make this test after 30 000 km mileage... With this same engine in UP.. :)
Race a Renault 5 gt turbo :)
I had an UP! GTI in the family for a few months. People might say there’s no comparison but I could never judge it favourably against the panda 100hp I had not long ago. I just didn’t like it as much as I thought I would. The power was there, sure, but car didn’t feel as fun as I think it should have.
The Golf has lost some ponies over the years.
Doesnt matter nobody on earth would ever choose the up over the golf
Wtf is this even supposed to be a driving potato?
Daihatsu Charade gtti 1977 , 3 Zylinder , 101 PS 0 - 100 km = 8,1 Sekunden
Vw up gti 2018, 3 Zylinder, 115 PS
0 -100 kmh = 8,8 Sekunden
Schlapp VW Up
My gosh. You beat my high school dream car (16V) -- with what I can only describe as a big red box with a GTI emblem... 😆
They used the 8V in this because the 16V would have smoked this Up and they want to sell the car through their website.
Mat Watson please review SEAT Ateca 1.4 TSI
He already did
A lot of people have nostalgia over most things Cars, games consoles, sports stars. Fact of the matter is everything improves over time
Plz review Mazda cars 😏
Mazda messed up the Mazda cars... The MPS the last Mazda car that had fun... I drive a CX5 Akera now yet im not having fun... Service is crap
There'll always be space in my heart for the Mk2 👍