FUN TIP: so with the red side clear u can do this with no leash and stay full hp. u hit the red run to raptors q them and then run back to red, this way ur talisman passive keeps procing on the raptors and u get the healing, at the same time the raptors will keep running to u because of the talisman burn so u can keep hitting them with Q and that keeps you very healthy.
@@uzi265 Yeah, at least he could have tried that lol. But Lilia had D-plate too. Probably the same result, imo, since as soon as she's out of cc she's going back to poke him out.
Lilia is an ap dps very agile spammable aoe burst auto targeting cc tank mage with a global skillshot and ult. Aphelios' hot sister: *sweating intensely*
New champions just keep getting more and more broken. Until Riot decides that pro play needs a shift in the meta and nerfs them into dust. This is why you don't see champions like xayah/rakan hardly anymore. Rakan specifically was nerfed heavily in season 8 and hasn't been viable since.
Warwick is a hybrid burst/dps very agile sustain aoe cc tank bruiser/assassin with a global bloodhunt and a long-range castable surpress on his ult. Jokes aside, I would seriously doubt that Lillia will become as strong as e.g. Sett on release. This is also partially because Riot said in their last post that, starting with Lillia, they don't want their champions to be broken on release anymore. Read more about that here: na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-balancing-new-champions/ and let's hope that Riot gets this right with the coming releases.
@@zeronothinghere9334 You say that, buddy, but, come on, we've been on this Earth long enough, since when is what they say, what they do? "We will no longer do light nerfs to champs, it'd be better to nerf past the frustration and then buff them where possible" (paraphrasing) -> *looks at Aphelios' 10th billionth nerf*
ArmoredPony Aphelios is still too strong. Like, he is the only ADC I always loses to as a Lucian main. Everyone else I can handle, only he out damages me at every single stage of the game, which is totally unfair because everyone else has significant weak stage of the game only he doesn’t
@@lyon9140 Yes I did actually, and it only takes about 30 games to get m5. I got lucky and got 5 S's in a row. I had three days off and work and decided to go for it.
@@lyon9140 i think they mean like, their play time duration combination thing for each mask is equivalent to 3 days aka they spent over 72 hours on lillia
Awesome guide, but I think you guys have overlooked conqueror Lilia :) Since her passive actually gives her extra conqueror stacks for every spell you cast (+ weaving in autos of course) it works really really well with her kit, since Lilia loves extended fights. This makes getting tanky items even juicier since you get so much extra damage from conq anyway, and it gives her healing which she otherwise lacks in her kit. Atleast in top lane, it's 100% the most optimal rune because it gets fully stacked so easily. edit: this means u only need 3 spells to fully stack conqueror lol
The good synergy with zhonyas comes with her ult - if you land a huge q into r and don’t wanna get bursted yourself your znohyas is short than the sleep you apply
This guide has been great for me. The camp is super fun and he is a 1v9 machine dealing tons of damage even with a tanky build. I just don't understand when to build Rilay instead of Mask, I think that Mask is really too good with her passive to pass on, I always go for it since you can kite everyone with ms and I've never felt the need of slowing people (your E slows if needed and sometimes I build Randuin that has a slow too)
I would like to take a moment to inform everyone that Lillia's outer edge Q hit gives you 4 stacks of Conqueror instead of just 2. It is very spammable and gets really stupid, lol. EDIT: The passive gives 2 stacks. Q+DoT = 4 stacks DoT can give a stack around every 4 or 5 seconds. Needs to be refreshed to do that since it only lasts 3s, but you spam Q anyway so refreshing is a non-issue. Q+DoT, AA, W, AA, Q and I had it fully stacked in 5s. Q has under 3s CD with 40% CDR. You're moving ridiculously fast and all your skills can be used within a minion wave, so you've got surpassing freedom to control the engagement.
ikrrr i've played lilia with phase rush then conq and i kid you not conq literally is the best rune for her... haven't tried DH tho but I still do think that conq is better
Much of this is wrong. Lillia gains conq stacks from her passive, which is a dot and gains stacks every 5 seconds and on the first time you apply it, so that's why she can use conqueror very well, mainly when laning. Also she is considered a ranged champion even if she doesn't have long range, just like rakan or thresh, none of them can wield the Hydra items nor gain benefits from being melee.
so to summarize: Her passive is a Brand passive, Her Q is a darius Q mixed with Sett W, her W is legit just Xeraths, her E is an inverted Zoe E (travels infinite in walls vs travels infinite until a wall is hit), her R is basicly Aphelios Gravitum Q meets Zoe Bubble...?
@@JohnSmith-ef6sv Her Q is 40%, but its doubled at the outer edge, making it effectively 80%. Thats a pretty high ratio on a spammable ability, and half of it is true damage. The 30% ratio on her W is increased by 200% if u sweetspot it, making it effectively 90%. So she actually scales really well with AP.
Especially with how playing around minion waves will straight up decide lane success. Kiting around the minion wave when it's in your favor is already ridiculously underrated and now your just doing it with a champion that built to run in circles, lol
Not to mention she has incredible wave clear with her Q + W. And she can stop them from going back with her E if she aims it right. She can also use her ult to setup a gank from her jg, and the sleep makes the enemy top lane a sitting duck. Lilia is going to be pure cancer until Riot nerfs her.
i've tried phase rush with mage build with lilia, its quite good but you need to be mindful on when you are going in and the next build i've tried is so far the best, conqueror ap bruiser build with her is literally unkillable i recommend you guys to try it
12 stacks is not that easy for her to stack early on. You usually hold your E and W, weave Qs, and mostly don’t even get a chance to auto. Q cool down is not spamming fast so conquerer is actually not so good. Also since she builds almost full tank, dark harvest’s extra damage will really help
I agree with Ken Chen. There maaaaaaay be some cases where Conqueror is good but overall she has what Conqueror has to give-sustain and damage. Also, I got a legitimate question: For mid range champions like Lillia, like, literal mid range auto attackers, are they treated as Ranged or Melee? Cus you know... Conq and Kayn...
If you're against a lot of tanks and need the tenacity too then maybe, but remember that you're going for precision tree with conqueror and it really isn't that good when you could be getting the damage and the healing from other, more reliable runes, while still having a keystone free.
good guide, only thing i am thinking is, that no matter what i feel like you gotta go sorcery runes no? for celerity and waterwalking? also i am not sure about runic ecos, i feel like its not a good offensive item, so i think i am gonna try cinder hulk instead for a little early tankyness
I think that lillia could perfectly play full ap, with a buildeo of items ap that give a good amount of life, such as liandry, rod of ages and include the zhonya to make synergy with your ulti. Since having a time for the enemies to fall asleep, you are very vulnerable at that time, especially if it is a TF. So the best thing would be to throw your q in the middle of all, use the ultimate once, along with the zhonyas, so when they fall asleep, you will be ready for battle without losing life. that without counting that when going full ap you will erase them from a Q.
Ger clear can be incredibly healthy if you use a q on raptors but don’t focus on them while you do red. In this way it’s possible to do a full clear totally leash less.
Extremely fun trick to red with Lillia If you kite red to raptors and q into both your passive will tick and give you regen from jungle item Aggro red Walk to raptors hit both camps with q and trot back to red spawn Raptors will try to walk to you but only up to right infront of red camp That lets you can get a second multi q just before they reset Bonus; time it right and your passive dot will stay until they get back to their camp and may make them walk toward you a third time You can take red alone while staying SUPER healthy and save your smite for possible full clear or 3-4 camps and invade enemy red side
So build wise, what do you think about going Stalkers/Skirmishers into Lyandris + Rylas, Then finish Cinderhulk into full tank items? You'll spike later but have more health at full build. Then again, this build is more of a scale from behind, than a tempo them out strategy. Maybe it would work as an alternate build when you fall behind early/get invaded?
one thing to keep in mind to is that kurgs have -15 magic resist level same with blue buff. so its better to smite red buff if youre primarily dealing magic damage
Played one game against Lillia with my main champ (Kha zix), I was having a great early game, 10th minute...about 70 farm and 6 kills. Lillia? Her KDA: 0/3/2.....her farm: 120....yes...120. Late game, Lillia had 240 farm and 23 kills while i have 12 kills and 150 farm. Rito please nurf Hecarim x Neeko child
Noob lol. I'm kidding but we all know that Neeko is going to scale great late game. And you're using a khazix, one of the cheapest assassins out there. As soon as you can no longer one shot carries, you're irrelevant. Lillia maintains her usefulness all game. Sucks to be you.
I usually play tank champs myself and I have to actively compete for farm because they're so slow. So i played Lillia today and i remember checking the scoreboard one game and was like "When the F did i get 200 farm??? O.O" It really be like that. Farm just happens on her. It just. Appears.
I'm guessing her top lane is going to work similar to Singed, but instead of hoping people are stupid enough to chase you, you can just space and get more damage out of it thanks to her passive. Sounds pretty fun to be honest.
Dark harvest honestly seems very bad , i think conqueror is the go too for Lilia , but i agree with her being a tank you're trolling if you don't go tank.
What about Aery's? I tried it while laning and is not that bad. It's a great poking tool and it gives you access to the sorcery runes (trascendence gives you quite the cdr you need) and the inspiration runes for second for the 5% extra cdr. I would like to know what you think about it
Aery sucks ass on her. Just get Grasp in lane for poke. Her burns should keep the passive building up longer than normal since the spell refreshes grasp for 3 seconds before stopping.
You should upload your version of LLA guides here for people who don't speak spanish, at least the last one about Josedeodo was very helpful for me since i realized i was wasting a lot of time in the jungle.
hey skill capped pls can you make best way to learn free camera mode (Y button) i mean i play in locked camera and for me its hard to use free cam mode pls ty:)
Just play with unlocked camera without ever locking it and it's pretty easy. An even better way is to play Starcraft and becoming good at it. Honestly, if you reach Master in Starcraft, all LoL macro and micro and camera work should be completely effortless.
@@ijuka i dont think so, Starcraft it's still a different game, so if you do that, you won't be learning lol, you'll just be learning starcraft, a friend of mine plays mor starcraft than lol, and when he plays lol he doesn't make the best choices in macro.
Conqueror tank on the toplane and jgl honestly felt pretty pretty strong on the pbe at least, do you guys think that could be an alternative to dark harvest? Thanks for the guide though, always interesting to hear views of advanced players onto new champs.
Been playing her today mostly with conquerer and ... it feels great, but i don't think the sustain is worth it. Supposedly her dmg got nerfed since the pbe, so that might play into your decision
Sorry if someone already wrote this, I couldn't read all the comments. So, if she should be bruiser like darius but AP (has the same role, sticks to her targets etc) wouldn't she benefit from healing from her spells. I was thinking conqueror might work wonders on her ( I'm yet to try that myself so idk) or maybe something like a Hextech Gunblade ( again, i know it sounds weird but it might work ). TL;DR She needs healing in fights if she's going to be a bruiser imo
Sounds fun, since she deals constant damage and kinda compliments the tank build since she could tank the damage and heal it right back up. Problem is tho, I don't know if she's registered as a melee or ranged champion, so stacking it could be a problem.
1- not a single champion in the game will benefit from using zhonia's hourglass in that scene you talked about. 2- most optimal keystone would be ( in my opinion ) either conqueror for lane or glacial augment 3- as for build you said it yourself her strength is her ms and how you have to kite and dodge skill shot which goes bit against your build ( tank ). I agree with the core items but i think you should go more of utility build with twin shadow and hextech glp-800.
@Aaron Roberts sorry had protobelt in mind when i said it has hp. But still. Liandry's and rylai's have quite some hp you can even have more hp with merelo if enemy has lot of healing
about the runes, i think that someone will try concueror and it will be meta because for whatever reason its broken and almost any champ can use it. i dont think that lilia will be an exeption
So she's truly an AP Bruiser at last. But I'm not sure of that build. I mean, if she works on Cooldown Reduction, the best items would be: *Runic Echoes (+10%)* Defensive Boots Rilay/Liandry Deadman's Plate *Spirit Visage (+10%)* *Warmog (+10%)* Looks a bit forced in the lategame tho.
Er no. Why would u build spirit visage? She has no self-healing. Her proper build would be: Runic (10%) Liandry/Rylai *ABYSSAL MASK* (10%) or Adaptive Helm (10%) Deadman's Plate Le Boots and controversially tested by my buddy in ranked: Trinity force (20%)
Good job there. Pro guides recomended full ap. This Is Wrong you Are right. Applause. Unfollow proguides follow you ❤️ Her pasiv + Liandry does lot of dmg And with tank items She can go in And use her q+ult to turn fight.
You mentioned Phase Rush as a rune option despite thinking it's not optimal, but no Conqueror? I get that she's ranged so it's weaker on her than a melee, but she seems to excel at extended fights and the healing would help a lot with her being midrange without much self-defense. She definitely seems capable of outputting the kind of damage needed to get significant healing from Conqueror, and she would be able to easily stack it up in many situations. I'm shocked you didn't mention it at LEAST to explain why you don't think it's optimal like you did with Phase Rush. I also think she's gonna be much more flexible with keystones than you claim, because there are really a lot of keystones that seem like they would work well on her.
When you say smite red buff that's pretty bad just kite it to raptors hit the raps for talisman healing and kite them to red so you don't lose aggro and if possible hit q on them again.
What do you guys think of using conqueror in the top lane? Lillia gets 4 stacks with just one Q because she classified as melee, and both her Q and passive proc conqueror.
Isnt zhonyas good for setting up big sleep combos for team fights? Thats usually how i play her run in q w r then zhonyas for a team sleep were they cant kill me before they fall asleep
Nice! Except for a few things: For example, Zhonya's lets you set up kills by going into stasis while you put the opposing team to sleep, so it isn't straight up useless or undesirable. This guide explains that and I also found it useful (and it's more recent, with Season 11 changes): www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/preseason-doubtfulls-challenger-lillia-guide-581881
FUN TIP: so with the red side clear u can do this with no leash and stay full hp. u hit the red run to raptors q them and then run back to red, this way ur talisman passive keeps procing on the raptors and u get the healing, at the same time the raptors will keep running to u because of the talisman burn so u can keep hitting them with Q and that keeps you very healthy.
I saw Kingstix do it, but it's pretty slow. The only time you'd want to do that is if your top laner refuses to leash.
@@dreamsmadeflesh1 you can actually do this trick and full clear by 3:17 leashless czcams.com/video/b1ltgDm2uz8/video.html
I do this with Amumu's W
wtf is a leash
@@Thruey When either the top lane or bot and support help the jungler with their first camp before coming to lane.
I had no idea that Red was faster, lol. That explains so much of my headaches kiting it, lol.
plus his aa goes further than Blues one
Red attack range is long that blue
Also red buff has more magic resist, making it harder to kill in general.
The way that Renekton got worked in that one clip was hilarious. He flashed out of pure anxiety.
Funny thing is that he probably could have bursted her if just flashed on her instead with botrk
@@uzi265 Yeah, at least he could have tried that lol. But Lilia had D-plate too. Probably the same result, imo, since as soon as she's out of cc she's going back to poke him out.
Lilia is an ap dps very agile spammable aoe burst auto targeting cc tank mage with a global skillshot and ult.
Aphelios' hot sister: *sweating intensely*
New champions just keep getting more and more broken. Until Riot decides that pro play needs a shift in the meta and nerfs them into dust. This is why you don't see champions like xayah/rakan hardly anymore. Rakan specifically was nerfed heavily in season 8 and hasn't been viable since.
@@Kushien they only care about money made new champ new skin for people to buy and their client still buggy
Warwick is a hybrid burst/dps very agile sustain aoe cc tank bruiser/assassin with a global bloodhunt and a long-range castable surpress on his ult.
Jokes aside, I would seriously doubt that Lillia will become as strong as e.g. Sett on release. This is also partially because Riot said in their last post that, starting with Lillia, they don't want their champions to be broken on release anymore. Read more about that here: na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-balancing-new-champions/ and let's hope that Riot gets this right with the coming releases.
@@zeronothinghere9334 You say that, buddy, but, come on, we've been on this Earth long enough, since when is what they say, what they do?
"We will no longer do light nerfs to champs, it'd be better to nerf past the frustration and then buff them where possible" (paraphrasing) -> *looks at Aphelios' 10th billionth nerf*
ArmoredPony Aphelios is still too strong. Like, he is the only ADC I always loses to as a Lucian main. Everyone else I can handle, only he out damages me at every single stage of the game, which is totally unfair because everyone else has significant weak stage of the game only he doesn’t
"She's primary a jungler"
Me: Sweating with my 3 day, m7, 70% wr Lillia mid.
did you actually get m7 in 3 days?
how is that even possible.
@@lyon9140 Yes I did actually, and it only takes about 30 games to get m5. I got lucky and got 5 S's in a row. I had three days off and work and decided to go for it.
@@lyon9140 I buy it. I have the feeling that when you get a high grade with the champion, you level up mastery faster than when you don't.
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@@lyon9140 i think they mean like, their play time duration combination thing for each mask is equivalent to 3 days aka they spent over 72 hours on lillia
"Lilia is very fast, Ferrari fast" guess who isn't up to date with F1 🤭
First thing that came to mind :D
What happened?
Ferrari is not just F1
She is Hamilton fast
reading this comment:
"guess whos not up to date with cars?"
Great video quality, I am impressed. WP guys :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm brazilian and in portuguese we don't have many videos about Lillia yet. So thanks for your guide. 😁
Awesome guide, but I think you guys have overlooked conqueror Lilia :) Since her passive actually gives her extra conqueror stacks for every spell you cast (+ weaving in autos of course) it works really really well with her kit, since Lilia loves extended fights. This makes getting tanky items even juicier since you get so much extra damage from conq anyway, and it gives her healing which she otherwise lacks in her kit. Atleast in top lane, it's 100% the most optimal rune because it gets fully stacked so easily.
edit: this means u only need 3 spells to fully stack conqueror lol
Skill Capped: She can be used as a top-laner, but is mostly a jungler.
Me, a support main: : >
you should try it man
@@ripbob1780 it works ok, if you have a good adc
@@ripbob1780 I definitely give all the champs a try as support, except Yuumi, that cat deserves to go the way Skarner went
I did it it was fun
@@senaakbarpour6598 Sadly, I'm gonna be flat out broke BE-wise
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And today we welcome LILIA in League, INTO THE BAN LIST
@Bronze Azir Wait for the next patch, buffs incoming!!
Not confirmed or anything, Im just saying
@@ldz771 nobody has banned her at all in my games yet so and doubt she'll get buffed
she isnt as op as pbe, she is very beatable, any cc just ends her
@Bronze Azir if she gets cc'd she is done. good if you can give the enemy team the run around
I love your channel, way better than any other channels of this type
The good synergy with zhonyas comes with her ult - if you land a huge q into r and don’t wanna get bursted yourself your znohyas is short than the sleep you apply
thanks for having this available right away
No worries!
7:15 I feel personally attacked
Lol meeeeeeeeeee too!
You should
This guide has been great for me.
The camp is super fun and he is a 1v9 machine dealing tons of damage even with a tanky build.
I just don't understand when to build Rilay instead of Mask, I think that Mask is really too good with her passive to pass on, I always go for it since you can kite everyone with ms and I've never felt the need of slowing people (your E slows if needed and sometimes I build Randuin that has a slow too)
I would like to take a moment to inform everyone that Lillia's outer edge Q hit gives you 4 stacks of Conqueror instead of just 2. It is very spammable and gets really stupid, lol.
EDIT: The passive gives 2 stacks. Q+DoT = 4 stacks DoT can give a stack around every 4 or 5 seconds. Needs to be refreshed to do that since it only lasts 3s, but you spam Q anyway so refreshing is a non-issue.
Q+DoT, AA, W, AA, Q and I had it fully stacked in 5s.
Q has under 3s CD with 40% CDR. You're moving ridiculously fast and all your skills can be used within a minion wave, so you've got surpassing freedom to control the engagement.
wait she’s melee?
yes, just like thresh and rakan
ikrrr i've played lilia with phase rush then conq and i kid you not conq literally is the best rune for her... haven't tried DH tho but I still do think that conq is better
SenKi yeah but thresh is ranged and rakan isn’t ranged
Much of this is wrong. Lillia gains conq stacks from her passive, which is a dot and gains stacks every 5 seconds and on the first time you apply it, so that's why she can use conqueror very well, mainly when laning. Also she is considered a ranged champion even if she doesn't have long range, just like rakan or thresh, none of them can wield the Hydra items nor gain benefits from being melee.
had a greatr ranked game today. top lane hovered lillia but our adc banned her. He played Disco Nunu and ran down mid after that... love it
I tried phase rush when she first came out and also thought it felt weak ayyye
hmmm i tried too but phase rush was kinda strong for me. (not as strong as conqueror)
@@itachiuchiha4838 Try it on live where people aren't wood 4 brained as pbe. You can never really tell how someone will be in the meta just from PBE.
@@treymtz well that's true XDD
so to summarize:
Her passive is a Brand passive, Her Q is a darius Q mixed with Sett W, her W is legit just Xeraths, her E is an inverted Zoe E (travels infinite in walls vs travels infinite until a wall is hit), her R is basicly Aphelios Gravitum Q meets Zoe Bubble...?
yea if you aren't building her tank you're crazy
Stoners Knight just had a full damage Lilia and she gets one shot by enemy every single time and does nothing in teamfights
@@kenchen704 Her highest AP ratio is 40% which means you're basically wasting half your gold by building full AP on her.
@@JohnSmith-ef6sv Her Q is 40%, but its doubled at the outer edge, making it effectively 80%. Thats a pretty high ratio on a spammable ability, and half of it is true damage. The 30% ratio on her W is increased by 200% if u sweetspot it, making it effectively 90%. So she actually scales really well with AP.
@@the1shrubbery The Scaling is well for a spammable Ability, but on Full ap you cant Spam Cause you die instantly
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I do think Lillie would be amazing in top lane. Her true damage and max health DoTs would ruin tanks up there
Especially with how playing around minion waves will straight up decide lane success.
Kiting around the minion wave when it's in your favor is already ridiculously underrated and now your just doing it with a champion that built to run in circles, lol
Not to mention she has incredible wave clear with her Q + W. And she can stop them from going back with her E if she aims it right. She can also use her ult to setup a gank from her jg, and the sleep makes the enemy top lane a sitting duck. Lilia is going to be pure cancer until Riot nerfs her.
Sadly it's not a tank meta so it woule be a situational pick
Redbubble not tank meta? My guy, in 8 of my 10 games I’ll see a tank in top lane. That’s what’s in top lane.
@@AceWolf456 same
10 of my 10 games i will see a tank in top lane
or a jax who kills all and solo wins the game
i've tried phase rush with mage build with lilia, its quite good but you need to be mindful on when you are going in and the next build i've tried is so far the best, conqueror ap bruiser build with her is literally unkillable i recommend you guys to try it
I think Conqueror on Lilya makes way too much sense, she stacks it really quickly and it has amazing synergy.
12 stacks is not that easy for her to stack early on. You usually hold your E and W, weave Qs, and mostly don’t even get a chance to auto. Q cool down is not spamming fast so conquerer is actually not so good. Also since she builds almost full tank, dark harvest’s extra damage will really help
I agree with Ken Chen. There maaaaaaay be some cases where Conqueror is good but overall she has what Conqueror has to give-sustain and damage.
Also, I got a legitimate question: For mid range champions like Lillia, like, literal mid range auto attackers, are they treated as Ranged or Melee? Cus you know... Conq and Kayn...
If you're against a lot of tanks and need the tenacity too then maybe, but remember that you're going for precision tree with conqueror and it really isn't that good when you could be getting the damage and the healing from other, more reliable runes, while still having a keystone free.
@@harokoujishou7888 Lilia is treated as a ranged champ, like Thresh for example.
It's not the worst rune, but remember that a good portion of Lillia's damage is true damage from the Q. Similar to Fiora, it has antisynergy.
good guide, only thing i am thinking is, that no matter what i feel like you gotta go sorcery runes no? for celerity and waterwalking? also i am not sure about runic ecos, i feel like its not a good offensive item, so i think i am gonna try cinder hulk instead for a little early tankyness
this helped a lot thanks
This is the best lillia guide ive seen so far
I have had a lot of success running runic echos, ROA, Liandrys, and rylais then a situation boots and last item
ROA isn't worth it unless its a first item though. Takes far too long to kick in.
I think that lillia could perfectly play full ap, with a buildeo of items ap that give a good amount of life, such as liandry, rod of ages and include the zhonya to make synergy with your ulti. Since having a time for the enemies to fall asleep, you are very vulnerable at that time, especially if it is a TF. So the best thing would be to throw your q in the middle of all, use the ultimate once, along with the zhonyas, so when they fall asleep, you will be ready for battle without losing life.
that without counting that when going full ap you will erase them from a Q.
Ger clear can be incredibly healthy if you use a q on raptors but don’t focus on them while you do red. In this way it’s possible to do a full clear totally leash less.
Her*
neat guide will definitely try it out :D
Nice video, as always, but... When the tier list will return? :(
Extremely fun trick to red with Lillia
If you kite red to raptors and q into both your passive will tick and give you regen from jungle item
Aggro red
Walk to raptors hit both camps with q and trot back to red spawn
Raptors will try to walk to you but only up to right infront of red camp
That lets you can get a second multi q just before they reset
Bonus; time it right and your passive dot will stay until they get back to their camp and may make them walk toward you a third time
You can take red alone while staying SUPER healthy and save your smite for possible full clear or 3-4 camps and invade enemy red side
Wow thanks for this advice!
I could see phase rush becoming a thing just for being able to take cosmic insight and transcendence to get 25% cdr from runes so she can cap out cdr
I have won my past 10 Lillia top games in a row, and it helps that she is super fun to play.
Thanks a lot for this amazing guide!
So build wise, what do you think about going Stalkers/Skirmishers into Lyandris + Rylas, Then finish Cinderhulk into full tank items? You'll spike later but have more health at full build. Then again, this build is more of a scale from behind, than a tempo them out strategy. Maybe it would work as an alternate build when you fall behind early/get invaded?
one thing to keep in mind to is that kurgs have -15 magic resist level same with blue buff. so its better to smite red buff if youre primarily dealing magic damage
Ty fot this tutorial
Respect to you guys this is a good guide
Played one game against Lillia with my main champ (Kha zix), I was having a great early game, 10th minute...about 70 farm and 6 kills. Lillia? Her KDA: 0/3/2.....her farm: 120....yes...120. Late game, Lillia had 240 farm and 23 kills while i have 12 kills and 150 farm.
Rito please nurf Hecarim x Neeko child
Well it was your and teams fault to let the game into late with such heroes
Noob lol. I'm kidding but we all know that Neeko is going to scale great late game. And you're using a khazix, one of the cheapest assassins out there. As soon as you can no longer one shot carries, you're irrelevant. Lillia maintains her usefulness all game. Sucks to be you.
hmmm no offense but you should have used your lead to abuse her out of the game or accelerate the game so it won't reach late game :>
I usually play tank champs myself and I have to actively compete for farm because they're so slow. So i played Lillia today and i remember checking the scoreboard one game and was like "When the F did i get 200 farm??? O.O"
It really be like that. Farm just happens on her. It just. Appears.
@@GerbilCakePants exactly XDDD
Thanks for the high quality video
7:50 for red buff without leash go and Q the raptors for healing
I'm guessing her top lane is going to work similar to Singed, but instead of hoping people are stupid enough to chase you, you can just space and get more damage out of it thanks to her passive. Sounds pretty fun to be honest.
I found some sucess with starting Raptor>Krugs>Wolves kinda like Kayn
That I can see. her single camps were a nightmare
Dark harvest honestly seems very bad , i think conqueror is the go too for Lilia , but i agree with her being a tank you're trolling if you don't go tank.
I was trying out glacial augment with domination as secondary runes on Lane lilia and had some pretty good success c:
What about Aery's? I tried it while laning and is not that bad. It's a great poking tool and it gives you access to the sorcery runes (trascendence gives you quite the cdr you need) and the inspiration runes for second for the 5% extra cdr. I would like to know what you think about it
Aery sucks ass on her. Just get Grasp in lane for poke. Her burns should keep the passive building up longer than normal since the spell refreshes grasp for 3 seconds before stopping.
3:15 the toxicity lmao
do you have to hit spell to make ur passive Q boost ms not starting to fade? Or doing dmg/beeing in combat is enough?
thank you for this video!
You should upload your version of LLA guides here for people who don't speak spanish, at least the last one about Josedeodo was very helpful for me since i realized i was wasting a lot of time in the jungle.
hey skill capped pls can you make best way to learn free camera mode (Y button) i mean i play in locked camera and for me its hard to use free cam mode pls ty:)
I'll make it easy for you. Unlock your camera, go in normal game, feed for 100 games and then you will be used to unlocked camera
just play with free camera mode and get used to it
Just play with unlocked camera without ever locking it and it's pretty easy.
An even better way is to play Starcraft and becoming good at it. Honestly, if you reach Master in Starcraft, all LoL macro and micro and camera work should be completely effortless.
Yeah just unlock it and bind key to lock camera on hold down, been using it for ages
@@ijuka i dont think so, Starcraft it's still a different game, so if you do that, you won't be learning lol, you'll just be learning starcraft, a friend of mine plays mor starcraft than lol, and when he plays lol he doesn't make the best choices in macro.
Yeah after my first game this was very much needed
nice partnership with the LLA!
If you like being 🅳🆄🅼🅼🆈 🆃🅷🅸🅲🅲, Cinderhulk Lillia also works. Hell I like it more than Runic Echoes because Big Health Energy.
oh my go u are so good guys
Conqueror tank on the toplane and jgl honestly felt pretty pretty strong on the pbe at least, do you guys think that could be an alternative to dark harvest?
Thanks for the guide though, always interesting to hear views of advanced players onto new champs.
Been playing her today mostly with conquerer and ... it feels great, but i don't think the sustain is worth it. Supposedly her dmg got nerfed since the pbe, so that might play into your decision
the gromp gives health in preseason. are the camps outdated ?
This guide is really good. My win rate with lilia went up
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potentially q'ing raptors during red leash with talisman for healthier clear?
what about flash q r zhonyas their whole team while ur team cleans up?
I've made a Electrocute build for her jungle build and use her as a quick burst assassin.
somethign you didn't mention - q raptors if you start red. Dont take them, just q, because you'll get a ton of healing from your talisman burn
Sorry if someone already wrote this, I couldn't read all the comments.
So, if she should be bruiser like darius but AP (has the same role, sticks to her targets etc) wouldn't she benefit from healing from her spells. I was thinking conqueror might work wonders on her ( I'm yet to try that myself so idk) or maybe something like a Hextech Gunblade ( again, i know it sounds weird but it might work ).
TL;DR She needs healing in fights if she's going to be a bruiser
imo
Phase rush. Nimbus cloak. Celerity. River walk. Frontline and second wind. Then core item runed echo.. protobelt. Liyandres.
What about conqueror on Lilia whats your thoughts on it?
Sounds fun, since she deals constant damage and kinda compliments the tank build since she could tank the damage and heal it right back up.
Problem is tho, I don't know if she's registered as a melee or ranged champion, so stacking it could be a problem.
@@ronashleyflores8591 her q is on a low cd so its similar to ez
@@ronashleyflores8591 The reduced stacking rate only affects the autos, so it wouldn't be an issue
will be good vs tank when you play on top
i love speedy champs: reksai hecarim kayn... and now lillia who can farm their jungle and gank two lanes in a heartbeat
Why don't we build both liandry and relay s scepter ? Both synergies really well with her passif which actualise each tik of her passive
I guess u can do that with ciderhulk
Ok well that's basically Lunara from Heroes of the Storm lol, crazy how Riot didn't even try to make it look like it was different ahahah
weird flex but never thought being multilingual would help in league, got another channel to get knowledge from. Thanks for sharing!
Why not take conq? Each of her abilities gives her 4 stacks of conq thanks to her passive.
I was totally playing her wrong, thanks a lot man
1- not a single champion in the game will benefit from using zhonia's hourglass in that scene you talked about.
2- most optimal keystone would be ( in my opinion ) either conqueror for lane or glacial augment
3- as for build you said it yourself her strength is her ms and how you have to kite and dodge skill shot which goes bit against your build ( tank ). I agree with the core items but i think you should go more of utility build with twin shadow and hextech glp-800.
@Aaron Roberts glacial for utility you press twin shadow and you slow the entire enemy team
@Aaron Roberts hextech glp has hp too . So does liandry's and you can get rylai's aswell on top of that . She just can't do much as a tank
@Aaron Roberts sorry had protobelt in mind when i said it has hp. But still. Liandry's and rylai's have quite some hp you can even have more hp with merelo if enemy has lot of healing
now we know who hector will spam in low elo
Red is such a fast boi 🎈😍
about the runes, i think that someone will try concueror and it will be meta because for whatever reason its broken and almost any champ can use it. i dont think that lilia will be an exeption
So she's truly an AP Bruiser at last.
But I'm not sure of that build. I mean, if she works on Cooldown Reduction, the best items would be:
*Runic Echoes (+10%)*
Defensive Boots
Rilay/Liandry
Deadman's Plate
*Spirit Visage (+10%)*
*Warmog (+10%)*
Looks a bit forced in the lategame tho.
Er no. Why would u build spirit visage? She has no self-healing. Her proper build would be:
Runic (10%)
Liandry/Rylai
*ABYSSAL MASK* (10%) or Adaptive Helm (10%)
Deadman's Plate
Le Boots
and controversially tested by my buddy in ranked:
Trinity force (20%)
Good job there. Pro guides recomended full ap. This Is Wrong you Are right. Applause. Unfollow proguides follow you ❤️
Her pasiv + Liandry does lot of dmg And with tank items She can go in And use her q+ult to turn fight.
nice englash
Yes, skilled capped is so much better than proguides
@@qpgamer2011 i dont rly speak english. BUT you do. 😆😆😆😆😆
@@rimmer62 i spek
I mean I would go liandrys then rylize then tank items
I think I'll wait for ULTIMATE YONE GUIDE :D
You mentioned Phase Rush as a rune option despite thinking it's not optimal, but no Conqueror? I get that she's ranged so it's weaker on her than a melee, but she seems to excel at extended fights and the healing would help a lot with her being midrange without much self-defense. She definitely seems capable of outputting the kind of damage needed to get significant healing from Conqueror, and she would be able to easily stack it up in many situations. I'm shocked you didn't mention it at LEAST to explain why you don't think it's optimal like you did with Phase Rush. I also think she's gonna be much more flexible with keystones than you claim, because there are really a lot of keystones that seem like they would work well on her.
strong and complex rewards mechanical knowledge, positioning, kiting, and map awareness. that right there is a formula for a good champion.
Can you make a farming jungle (Shyv , Noc , karthus) guide to high elo?
how many shoes should she collect?
"Go tank, you oneshot anyway". Seems like a healthy addition to the game.
You one shot squishies anyway. With 2 ap items and probably a level lead.
So you one shot people when ahead. It's not a new addition to the game.
Orn go brrrr
why not electrocute? She procs is basically from one Q + AA so its nearly always guaranteed when she goes in
That explains why the guide I saw from the LLA channel seemed very familiar to me.
When you say smite red buff that's pretty bad just kite it to raptors hit the raps for talisman healing and kite them to red so you don't lose aggro and if possible hit q on them again.
Red has mr so if you deal magic damage you wanna smite it for the fastest possible clear anyway
What do you guys think of using conqueror in the top lane? Lillia gets 4 stacks with just one Q because she classified as melee, and both her Q and passive proc conqueror.
Why not go with scorch rune ?
She is super fun to play!
Thank you skill capped
Isnt zhonyas good for setting up big sleep combos for team fights? Thats usually how i play her run in q w r then zhonyas for a team sleep were they cant kill me before they fall asleep
I mean i guess, but I think building tankier won't get you get killed right away either, you have sustain with your runes too.
Nice! Except for a few things: For example, Zhonya's lets you set up kills by going into stasis while you put the opposing team to sleep, so it isn't straight up useless or undesirable. This guide explains that and I also found it useful (and it's more recent, with Season 11 changes): www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/preseason-doubtfulls-challenger-lillia-guide-581881
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