No Concrete Fence Post Install!
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2016
- I decided to use expanding foam instead of concrete to install a new fence in my backyard. There's a few tips in this video that might help you out!
Some things used in this video...
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This video was filmed in August of 2016 and the fence has not moved an inch. Rock solid!
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We used this product to put up a fence for a small play area for our grand niece and it worked wonderfully... The fence is sturdy and holding up nicely to the goats that we wanted to separate from her.
Thank you Paton. After much research the building industry is catching up to the electrical providers that have been using this for years. Concrete has its place just not for fencing those who say otherwise are stuck in a rut.
I love the foam. I have used it twice now for my mailbox post & works incredible. A guy hit my post w his
truck cracked my post but the part in the ground stayed in the ground + the post stayed straight. I was
impressed. I replaced the broken post & used foam again,
BUT THEN,
I.m now building a tractor shed which has 3 posts. home Depot charges me $15 a bag for foam
while their post concrete is $3.50 a bag. Also, I have a small motorized concrete mixer which makes
the mixing a breeze so I used concrete on the shed posts but only because of the cost. If you have
a job far from water, foam would be the way to go.
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Good video and demonstration. Thank you. I've used post setting quickrete a lot but may give this a shot next time. Looks good and quick for a small job. I like the fast setting time. Fence looks good!
Check reviews for this product first.
Excellent recommendation and thank you for your clear instructions. Kind greetings from Cumbria in the U.K.
I did my 200’ of fence with this in 2014. I live in north east Indiana. Even with ground freeze, the fence still looks great!
What diameter and depth did you dig the holes?
Yeah I would like to know how deep.
How’s it doing now?
Good Job, You saved the planet
Very cool. Wondering if this would work for a mail box post. I was hating the thought of using concrete because when you have to replace the wood post, you have a hell of a time digging out the concrete. This seems like a good alternative. Tks for the video. Always good to see people thinking out of the box and alternatives. Can’t stand haters in this forum. Tks again
Love how the foam leaves a nice bowl around the post for water to retain. I’ve been a fencer for over 10 years... the bottom of the hole should have stones (allow water to disperse) then concrete to allow a heavy anchor in the ground. I’d be surprised if this fence is still standing up. It’s people like this guy that allow me to be able to be proud to call what I do, a trade 😎
There’s about 100 ways to install a fence according to all the contractors commenting here. Who knew different countries and completely different climates could have different building practices? The more you know 💫
Trim and caulk.
30 years ago they were installing the big satellite dishes with foam instead of concrete and Kansas wind never ever moved them, works good
Thanks for the informative video. It is probably an expensive solution but worth thinking about. You have an excellent presentation style so please keep up the good work.
Thanks. I have a troubles body and the thought of light weight foam instead of heavy cement is very appealing. I couldn't handle the ASRM affect of this video. It made my skin crawl!
Good stuff, I have seen it used and it does work!
I work for an electrical company and we use quickcrete.. it's a foam based pole setting material just like the one in this video. the poles we set are 40 feet tall and 2 feet thick at it's base. so if your worried it won't hold up well I know from experience it will.
Great Video! First time I’ve seen this. Thanks for posting!
Thank you for this video, it saved me a lot of trouble and money.
When I had my fence installed. ( I'm in a wheelchair and had to have my 6' fence professionally installed. I bought the foam product in gallon jugs for more precise measuring. It worked great! My contractor called a buddy in the same business to come and inspect it. Now both are using the foam most of the time. Oh yes, here in NW Texas we get very strong winds. No problem!
What foam product?
Great video. Foam works great on my ranch, where water is scarce. Minimal clean-up speeds up the process too. Nice final product on your fence. Looks great!
MERIDIAN HOPPER
This is a great how-to video! I need to install (2) sun shade poles and this video spells it out very clearly. I will borrow my BIL for a second pair of hands.
Fantastic, easy and simple. Good job
Good to see this system is available to the public now. I did this 35 years ago with a 2-pound density foam with an expansion rate of 20:1. It works great. It not only is quick but the foam also protects the post from rot down the road. The foam will rise higher if you warm the post hole before putting the two-part foam in. I used a propane torch, however, I have seen people pour a little gas in the hole and let it burn off. Not the safest thing to do but it works too. I replaced the fence in 2006 and only had to replace 2 posts out of 30. We didn't even have to stake the posts. The foam kicks so quickly we just held the posts in place with a level on them.
Warm the hole???LMFAO That's just too much!
How much more did it cost? Just because it works dont mean it lasts because foam breaks down much quicker in the environment. Plastic won't but foam sure does.
That's just stupid. Won't last. More expensive. Takes longer. Traps moisture next the the post so it rots faster. Environmentally screwed. Where's the benefit again?
George, the benefit is to the person selling this. What is that phrase...an idiot and his money will soon be parted?
Very interesting alternative to concrete! Glad I saw this video, thanks.
Thank you for sharing. Some people will prefer the foam and others concrete. I personally like concrete but, it does not mean that I will limit my learning curve and not trying to learn new ways to do bussiness. Great video thank you again.
Interesting way to put posts in . I may have to check this out. Thanks.
hope you do annual follow up videos. I’d be curious to see how the posts hold up over time
Responding to a comment you posted at least 5 years ago, this stuff is trash. Avoid, stay away from. The foam eventually contracts a little bit creating voids and wiggle room for the fence to sway in.
Wow! This is great! Didn't know they have all kinds of deals out there until i saw this video! Thanks!
This helped me out. Thanks for the video. ✌🏻 California
Well done video, thanks for posting...
Thanks for posting the video. I know it takes quite a bit of time to post these and they help us understand whether we want to use the product or not. I for one would not use the product after viewing your video and am glad I watched it. Thanks again.
Great Video! Very informative and interesting to see an alternative choice to concrete. 👍👌
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Cool..never knew they had such product..I will be using it..thanks
Nothing is better than proper tamping.
Nice foam, but it doesn't add weight to the pole. This means that it's only held by the soil around it, while poles set in concrete are gaining that extra 20kg, which makes them hard to move even if the soil becomes muddy.
Smieszek80 it's also hard to move a 8 foot 4x4 that is actually put into a 24" hole, a proper hole not a giant lazy digger hole.
Acts like pendulum in softer soils as well.
This.
YUP. Made this mistake myself and found out the hard way
Oooh thanks for the tip mate I don’t think I will use the foam for permanent things cheers
Would recommend anyone making a fence, to string line your fence before placing posts. This will ensure the fence will maintain the same level thoughout.
Not level but straight line
Why do you think he didn’t do that already? You can see his posts have been staked into place. And you can see his fence turned out straight and level. So I think your comment is a little misguided. Or at least misinformed.
Awesome. Used that stuff the other day. Great product.
Great information! Very helpful.
I found this very helpful. Thank you.
I've never seen it thank you interesting
Helpful video - thanks!
I used this to replace a mailbox post laast year. Still solid as a rock. I also used it on foundation posts for a bridge. Same result.
Totally worth watching to realize, concrete is easier to handle, and is all round better for post fixing :D
czcams.com/video/g2iYvyiJYsg/video.html wrong this is becoming the industry standard. It’s been used in the electrical field and with telephone poles for years.
janussQv while it rots out the post, NOPE
The industry standard has in many cases been really really bad....
You can't always trust the industry standards....
Fill the hole around the post with pea gravel, it drains well and works just as well as concrete w/o the mess.
I used for my mailbox. Worked out great! Way easier than concrete. No issues. Good product.
How is your letter box going now? Did the foam hold up?
Yes, no problem. A truck even backed into post and broke the upper half, but post is still solid after repair.
Thanks this has made my life a hole lot better 👍
got to say it looks pretty legit
Great video. Thanks for "posting".
Ha! How has this joke not been made already?!
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Your videos were very helpful thank you very much
Nice. Learned something new. I didn't know expanding foam existed, until now.
Thanks for the video. Now I know not to bother with expensive foam and just go with quick setting cement instead.
Don't mention it.
THANK YOU for a short, concise, polite reply!
I used this foam under my front porch to keep out burrowing wasps. The wasps dug the dirt our and moved gravel. The foam stopped them. Easy to use too.
I'm sure the researchers and engineers at Sika have done a little homework. They make great products for many different construction applications.
Hmmmm that looks ok and would most likely be good. My brother and i built fences for customers up in The Dalles OR for about 25 years. We used a auger like you with about same size hole. We used pea gravel, put a little in 1st so post would sit on it instead of dirt. Then we used more pea gravel around the post and tamped it down real good, filling the entire hole up with the gravel. Reason we did it this way was to make it like a dry well, The rain water would just go down the hole and NOT stay against the wood. Im 66 now and everyone of those fences we built that way are still standing with same post. Cement is not a good product to put around fence post. After awhile it will have a small area between the concrete and post and will hold water in that crack against the wood and rot it. As long as the foam STAYS glued to the wood it too should keep water away from the wood. We were building contractors and i always thought concrete was not the way to go with fence post.
I agree, I use a sharp gravel for extra friction. I think that it also behaves better than concrete or foam with frost. As frost can pull year after year the widening top of concrete out of the ground
Mr. Huteson, you are right on target.
My area has clay type soils, so I backfill and tamp in 6" lifts. The tamper is a steel rod, about 1" square with beat-down head on it, it really compacts the soil. I mound-up the top of fill around the post so that water drains away. Water in the soil is soaked up by the soil, and / or keeps the air away from the wood to prevent rot. Some of my treated posts have been in the ground over 20 years and still going strong.
Concrete retains a minimum of 7% moisture which is a good start to a 30% threshold for rot. Concrete shrinks, so it shrinks away from the wood to leave a small gap to hold water which soaks the wood.
Someone wrote that they thought the concrete helped by adding weight. It also makes the base wider so that the post has more bearing area against the soil to prevent bearing failure and enlarging the side of the hole. By tamping and compacting the soil, the bearing strength is increased and holds the post solid, even after 20 years and working in the wind.
The foam seems like an unnecessary expense.
Only useful thread of the lot. Sticking to the post makes sense to keep the water off, as does concrete causing a wider hole, etc.
The ground under my fences is clay, so I also used dug-up clay for tamped backfill. Seems to have held up well for the past 5 years.
No real need for the disparaging talk about lazy people or whatever, it's more like no one has ever put forth a definitive method with clear reasons.
I'm starting to think it might make sense to dip the posts in roofing tar before setting in tamped earth or whatever and maybe that would be the most effective?
Darren,
I don't recommend the tar. In one instance, the tar will hold moisture inside the wood, even as it keeps moisture out. In the other, the lack of tar will let moisture migrate out of the wood, regardless of how it got into the wood.
For this reason, I recommend (see above) that you tamp the soil / clay / sand / gravel around the post and let the moisture be pulled out as the soil dries.
Top the backfilled hole with clay as a cap, also mound up to let the water drain away from the post. In the bottom of the hole, set the post on a couple of inches of gravel (in pantyhose) to create a bottom drain.
If your soil has low shear strength, this method will not work.
Michael M fortunately, that's exactly what I had ended up doing. But why would shrinkage not be an issue with the clay?
Power companies have been using foam to set there power poles for years now. I’m glad it’s finally coming to the residential market.
Ray Wilson so that's why they are always leaning and fall over in high winds......
Ive worked with Ameren Ue numerous times in my 16 years in the field and have yet to see them fill the holes with anything but concrete or compacted clay and gravel combination. Whoever told you this took you for a ride. Epa would be all over there ass for using foam.
My first comment was a joke, I am a equipment operator and we do a lot of digging in for electric lines so we see a lot of poles set. Not one time have I ever seen the electric company use foam. Auger a hole in the ground, drive the post in and use a compactor around it. We have a lot of clay and rock here though, in the ozarks.
40 year service life.
if you want temporary, then it's the stuff for you.
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Very good technique It is impressive to see today's technologies.
Thanks! People helping people that's what it's all about.
Mike Holmes likes it so it must be good! Seriously, I am literally "on the fence" on using this.
F**k Holmes. He’s just a show man. Ask him if has a ticket in any trade. He has NO tickets
@@darrellsaturnbigfoot Holmes is cool, has great ideas but only if folks have bottomless pockets. Change a lightbulb....need the top bulb ever, replace the fixture for some energy compliance reason, the wire color of home is off so let's rewire the house, add a breaker, new switch . $1 fix now cost 20,000. LOL
I used this product for a large fence in my backyard and it’s vastly simpler than concrete and quicker.
BUT, the foam has zero weight to it. Something I wasn’t considering. So in the problem is that in wet areas where the soil never dries hard, the weight of the fence completely pulls down the posts.
So there’s your warning, don’t use in soggy soil
Thanks for the warning. I live in a wet area.
Excellent point!
maybe dig your holes deeper like 3 feet
I put in a new mailbox post recently and poured dry concrete around the post then poured a gallon of water on top per the instructions. Was inexpensive, fast, easy, and no mess. Dried quickly too.
Going to go with this idea,thanks.
Cling film is so much faster than bottles :)
I’d love to see how the fence performs in strong winds.
You can buy postcrete here in the UK 🇬🇧 already mixed, add water in the hole pour bag in, sets in 5 minutes.
Exactly I would never use foam.. The Scottish winds would blow the post down
Personally, I don't see how this is any easier than just using concrete. Interesting concept though, thanks for taking the time to make the video.
Great work...Great product..
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I build fences for a profession. I use 60 lb bag of high strength concrete at each posts , about $3 a bag. It becomes the footings for a wall. I use coated screws and never nails. Using this on my fences would be like spending $65k on a nice ride, and requesting hub cap covers.
roger drum
....EXACTLY.
Well said!
I live in a VERY high rainfall area in Scotland. Many places where I've put fences are waterlogged much of the time, and can flood for weeks. Then there's freezing, and high winds. I won't speculate how that stuff would cope here, but I would not expect it to compete with concrete footings.
church!
60 lb bag of conc mix for $3 ?
Seems amazingly low cost to me, & you'd need the strength of a gorilla to carry bags that weight.
I agree nails are nigh useless but would be interested to hear what screws you have decided on.
In frustration (I'm close to the ocean) I have ended up using 10G x 1.5" stainless sq drive. found it necessary to predrill with runners that are harder tan pine!
The stakes & braces are a great method thanks
Over here in the UK we have had it for over 30 years comes in airosol type containers and you can just about glue anything.SoI hope the fence stays true and can stand the test of time, brilliant presentation
Come on Mate foam is not going to hold a fence in the the British winds
thanks for showing another way of doing post, right or wrong, cost effective or not its just another way of doing it.
Wow! More work AND more expensive than concrete! Takes more time too! What a great idea!!
Cool. Nice demo thanks
I used that exact foam to fill the bulkheads of a small boat that I built. It is a closed cell foam and therefore water proof. Dont worry about the haters posting negative comments.
I've always used a bag of stone in the whole. You put some stone in the bottom to the whole, put in the pole then add the rest of the stone around the pole. I then fill the rest of the whole with dirt. By doing it this way you get good drainage making the poles last year's longer. When set in concrete, water gets trapped around the pole as it shrinks eventually rotting the pole.
Wow. That explains why my expensive wooden privacy fence is snapping off at the bottom. They are rotting. Love this information,. Makes good sense ..thanks
@@Lakelandcowboy69 I learned this several years ago from a coworker doing maintenance in a city parks department. We set metal poles in concrete. I've pulled a wooden treated pole out of my yard 10 years after I put it in. It looked like I'd installed it the week before.
didnt even realize there was a product like this. Thank you.
I used this stuff last year as directed. I did one post in concrete too to compare. This stuff still allows the post to wobble a bit. It is great for a birdhouse post, lightpost, etc. I would not use it for decks, foundations, etc.
Agree
Good idea, very nice video, thanks
This is a fairly neat idea. But usefulness depends on how much it costs. I'll have to look that up. Personally, I just use Quickrete fast-setting concrete. You pour the dry mix in the hole and then pour in your water and it's done!
Way easier to fill the holes with water and pour the concrete in afterwords.
@@marcusanthony179 how is that easier? You literally just reversed the order..
@@jonnyrotten9755 First of all, I've actually done both ways. Second of all, can you see how stirring concrete into water is easier because water doesn't build up resistance to the stirring until you have the right amount of concrete mixed into it.
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I tried that same method and same product. I followed the directions on the package. it's a good thing, I only used it only on one post .... where my mailbox was to be located. it's true it holds the post, that's definitely not stable enough for my fences. I can barely push and pull on my mailbox and it moves as much as 2". Believe me, it's far better to consider using Concrete for your fencing base instead of the foams.
videotracx that could be bc your soil is unstable rather than a bad product I’m sure you would use this in a sandy soil...my opinion of course
ok you two doubters, it is obvious you have never used spray foam or you would know that stuff does not have any strength to speak of. it is mostly a fill for air spaces as an insulator. it is easily compressed and once compressed it loses its ability to hold firm.
I used foam about 2 mos ago around foundation of house as a temp fix. Starting to concrete over it now. I literally kick it off the ground. It's really not a "great" product. Very limited and can cause fumes when temps rise when used indoors. Can't be used around any kind of heating this stuff is combustible. Foam anything is not the way to go when filling gaps. Use appropriate products. Fire Bloc around heating systems (caulk), cement for a tight bond. I use it for anything temporary on the exterior. Be careful of blown foam insulation not really a wise choice for insulation otherwise traditional insulation would be out of business by now.
This isn't a spray foam. It was made for this application and worked great for me and my posts. Having said that, I agree that foams may not be best for applications in enclosed living quarters.
Great Idea! Thanks
Enjoyed your narration and video. Interesting product. I will probably stick (no pun) with quick-crete since cost is a factor for me.
pole foam as its known in the utility industry has been used to shore up leaning poles for many years. when used in the commercial version it's very fast to use, very effective and efficient. it's longevity seems to be in the 20-30 yr range. but it should be used carefully as it can have "explosive" effects.
I've seen Motorway (Highway) crash rails almost always have expanding foam over ooze on the posts? Not sure if there is concrete below or just foam? They are designed to take a vehicle crash so maybe they are supposed to 'give' a bit?
Jamie I'll bet your an intellectual.
sounds you're a real wiz bang moron to me Jamie wood. it's clear you know nothing you little troll. just go back under your rock and leave the world to real people.
used once in awhile in the siren industry too depending on soil it is super expensive but on loose soils holds firm...
Jimmy Walker Wow someone gives you facts about the product you just saw used and you discard our like old garbage cause it's not the cool thing obviously the comments lol be smart and alone not stupid and follow.
Nice fence.
Taught to me by my SeaBee Father in Law how to quickly insert a deck/fence post using bag concrete. Insert post, poor in 1/2 hole of water, poor in concrete mix (dry), mix using post action, more water, more concrete mix, done in 5 minutes, next post....... Works every time and never had a fail.
Funny another guy commented moments before you swearing that pea gravel works even better! Seems like everyone has their own version of “the best way”.
I have never use this product before but I have installed a few fences and I think anything can work really as long as you have a good Tamp on the dirt around the post.
Love to know if it held up like crete since 4 yrs past. Thanks
It's holding up just fine.
Great video man, seriously good job! I doubt I'll ever use foam, but I will continue to watch your videos! Very peaceful, easy going and comprehensive 👌🏼
Save yourself the $ 13 a bag , as a small carpentry contractor i have occasionally over the years been asked to install some fencing , i used to fill every hole with a bag of post set or redi mix and used this product once when it was supplied by homeowner until a friend of mine who is the manager for the landscaping division of a large farm store chain told me to just backfill with the soil you removed ,tamp the shit out of the soil with the flat end of digging bar and check for plumb as your filling the hole up and keep poles linearly straight with a string line.They only set posts in cement where a gate will be hung off of a post and go a little deeper /wider maybe with hole to prevent leaning or gate sag . Works extremely well. glad i listened to him! Besides when it rains your posts wont pop out of the ground since they are now like a fishing bobber. I had this problem. do not buy this product any one who endorses it is paid too
3.9 million views ...wow ...dude bet u never thought it would do that ...good Video ..forget all the know it alls ..it looks good to me and it works
Great video. I think concrete would be cheaper.
Good video mate. Appreciate seeing a new product regardless of all the hate comments below. Thanks for sharing 👊
"hate" comments? jesus, take a spoonful of cement or something princess.
John Douglas
I am a princess and I find your comment offensive 😊
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Thank you for showing
The idea of the foam is cool. But just like concrete, it takes a lot of extra time and money. I only use concrete if I'm supporting a lot of weight with the post, to get a larger footing, like supporting a deck. Fences don't need anything but dirt. You can tamp dirt in in less time, and at NO cost. This foam costs between $11 and $17 per post. We have fences holding in horses and cattle that are made of hedge tree (osage orange) and put in the ground over 100 years ago, dirt tamped in around them, and they're still rock solid in the ground. Tamped dirt lasts longer than the posts do. Even with large livestock pushing against the fence on occasion. :)
the time you spend leveling screwing it... then pay 20bucks for a bag of foam which doesn't even do 1 post... instead put a post in, bucket of water, bag of postcrete for a fiver, level on, hold for a minute and job done..
I'm pleased you enjoyed the video so much! Feel free to watch some of my other videos and provide more of your insightful wisdom.
don't forget the gravel!
No gravel needed. Postcrete is mix already. Bag cost 4-5£. Fill 1/3 of the hole with water follwing bag of postcrete, level on, job done.. Didnt want to offend you man. You just end up double the price of you fence
Yeah I did the same, and it was about $5 US per bag here. But I did put a little bit of "drainage gravel" under the posts, although it may not do anything since the water I put in before the mix probably just filled in around the gravel.
Paulius Taparauskas not very cheep to use
Hello!
I was extremely cynical when I first saw "foam" and "fence post", but it appears that this has great potential. I've got questions though.
A) Cost per post relative to that of concrete, factoring labor time.
B) Longevity of foam in the environment (UV exposure, free thaw, etc)
C) Strength retained with constant sideways force (branch pushing against the fence, hobo constantly leaning on the fence)
Thanks!
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my life is complete now thanks
Great job!!
Thanks for the video. It was fun to watch, but I'll stick with fast cement concrete for 1/2 the price and not adding more plastic into the environment.
I will go with cement and concrete w hi ich has been used for centuries in construction successful and non chemical. This product can be easy damaged by cold and heat
I'm hearing that this foam shrinks in a short time "days or weeks "and the post become loose?
@@elizacathleen2916 Did you see my question mark?????? But thanks for calling me a liar.
@@bustinya2240 sorry I deleted the comment. I used the stuff for basement insulation. It’s fantastic. I hope it works for posts because I’m using it today. For my clothes line 🥺
I used this to put in the bottom of some really big planters that I have in the back yard. Well, one planter got the foam and the other two I just filled with soil. Guess which ones are all but impossible to move??? lol. The foam one, is of course, pretty easy to slide around. So yeah not just about the cost to the wallet, think of your back. it was kind of spendy but I love the results. and it sets up very hard. I made sure I put drain holes through the foam to the weep holes in the pot while it was sitll curing,
That's a good idea!
Thank you my friend 👍