Soprano Rosa PONSELLE: La vergine degli angeli (1928)

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  • Soprano Rosa Ponselle (1897-1981) / La vergine degli angeli / La Forza del Destino (Verdi) / with basso Ezio Pinza (1892-1957) and chorus / Orchestra: G. Setti / Recorded: January 23, 1928 --

Komentáře • 153

  • @MirabileStupenda
    @MirabileStupenda Před 11 lety +50

    One of the greatest recordings ever. Listen also to Pinza singing with the chorus. Makes time stand still.

    • @franzbernasek4058
      @franzbernasek4058 Před 5 lety +5

      absolute, great the magnificant voice of Ezio Pinza, the time stand still, i have never better hear this duet

  • @TebaldusMr
    @TebaldusMr Před 17 dny +2

    Ich höre es zum ersten Mal und bin sprachlos. Unerreichbar.

  • @davideferrari5702
    @davideferrari5702 Před 4 lety +18

    Grandissima... Con la Tebaldi...sono le migliori in quest'opera....Pinza grandissimo...

    • @walpolenut5351
      @walpolenut5351 Před 10 měsíci

      True

    • @marcelpopa8018
      @marcelpopa8018 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Rosa Ponssele E la la piu grande in prima meta da XXcentesimo . Non deve dimenticare ,questa signora non ha cantata dopo 1928. Ezio Pinza sublime !

  • @suzannejarosh1494
    @suzannejarosh1494 Před 4 měsíci +5

    so lucky to have this remastered recording from nearly 100years ago.i have never heard it done better than these two

  • @Bivolari
    @Bivolari Před 13 lety +24

    Two of the most beautiful voices at their peak. Her first phrase, indeed her whole part, must be among the most beautiful notes that even she ever produced.

  • @franzbernasek4058
    @franzbernasek4058 Před 5 lety +16

    perfect Voices Ponselle and Ezio Pinza, the best Pater Guardiano oh God what for a Basso

  • @spatslondon3888
    @spatslondon3888 Před 2 lety +12

    One of THE definitive tracks in the history of operatic recording.

  • @princeandrey
    @princeandrey Před 6 lety +26

    Oh God, such magnificent Pinza!

  • @marielamagenta6231
    @marielamagenta6231 Před rokem +9

    Maravilloso Pinza. Canta en su tonalidad, fuera del coro.Nadie hace asì. Que voz y prestancia. Nadie como èl.

  • @ESilva-gw9ig
    @ESilva-gw9ig Před 4 lety +21

    Perfection. That is the only word coming to my mind when listening to this rendition. Great, great singers we cannot even dream to have these days.

  • @dominiquedelair6843
    @dominiquedelair6843 Před 8 lety +29

    Why voices are not natural today ?
    Something has been lost. Why ?
    Is there someone capable of teaching that Way to give great singers Again to the World ?
    Thank you for this video

    • @JussiPaul
      @JussiPaul Před 8 lety +10

      +Dominique Delair I only personally know of two teachers who teach the old way, myself (in London and Berlin) and Anthony Frisell (in New York). I was very fortunate to train with an old teacher in London who taught using 'Registration' ie. complete separation of chest and falsetto registers, strengthening the registers then co-ordinating them to create a unique and natural voice as in the above video. The problem is finding students willing to submit to the process as it does take time to get results. In the long run it is the quickest (and only!) way to obtain a superior instrument but there are so many teachers out there offering 'quick fixes' which ultimately destroy the natural singing voice. All my students make rapid progress but there is a period of time when it is inadvisable to perform so it can get quite frustrating. We have to remember that all the great composers wrote music for already perfected instruments. One wouldn't try to play a violin until it left the workshop. Likewise it is absurd for untrained voices to attempt to sing the great music of the past. That is the problem in a nutshell - we live in a culture of instant gratification so unfortunately great singing is unlikely to return any time soon!

    • @mariopietta5888
      @mariopietta5888 Před 3 lety +2

      only few teacher,that know whot is "bel canto

    • @blonda.bacoviana
      @blonda.bacoviana Před 3 lety +1

      I know of a russian soprano who teaches the old way. She lives in Romania and I am so glad I've found her. It is not only the teacher, it must also be the student.

  • @leniacoticoni907
    @leniacoticoni907 Před 2 lety +6

    Non ho mai sentito.una vergine degli angell così bella

  • @VivaRenata
    @VivaRenata Před 12 lety +21

    Another issue - apart from Rosa Raisa and Rosa Ponselle - there are so many listeners in the modern age who are blocked from appreciating the greatness of past singers because they can not get beyond the less sophisticated (and perhaps even harmful) recording techniques of the present age. A great appreciation to CZcams and all who contribute to making the artists of the past available to listerners -at least to those gifted enough not to care about the scratches on these historical recordings.

    • @DavidLevinEnt
      @DavidLevinEnt Před 4 lety +2

      Pop singing and teaching has killed the old school opera style. This recording proves that.

    • @DCBfanboy
      @DCBfanboy Před 3 lety

      What soppiness ! The world isn't going to end with opera.

    • @marcelpopa8018
      @marcelpopa8018 Před 8 měsíci

      Rosa Ponzillio

  • @zamyrabyrd
    @zamyrabyrd Před 11 lety +28

    Incredible recording, Pinza is a luscious deep foil to the angelic sound of Ponselle. The non intrusiveness of the chorus makes the highest and lowest voices transparent.

  • @leonardogiacobbe5422
    @leonardogiacobbe5422 Před 3 lety +6

    Sublime,divina Rosa Ponselle

  • @MrGennariello
    @MrGennariello Před 3 lety +5

    Ho iniziato questa bellissima avventura di opera lirica con soli cinque dischi a 78 giri quando avevo soli 8 anni. Li ascoltavo tutto il tempo. Uno di quei dischi era questo, con il Miserere del Trovatore cantato da Martinelli.

  • @AZyzk
    @AZyzk Před 9 lety +23

    Just can't stop listening to this piece.
    Thank you for sharing!

  • @ESilva-qv1uv
    @ESilva-qv1uv Před 3 lety +9

    Perfection. Very few sopranos sing this music so beautifully. Even the bass can be heard clearly.

  • @denismione2008
    @denismione2008 Před 3 lety +7

    Une voix oubliée, mais qu'elle divine voix... Une des plus belles soprano... Merci les anges

  • @davy91101
    @davy91101 Před 2 lety +5

    Gatti was mad not to allow Ponselle to sing Adriane; but then we would not have the Villa Pace recordings. The combination of Pinza and Ponselle is a match made in heaven.

  • @gmmix
    @gmmix Před 13 lety +10

    No finer singers ever graced the stage of the old Met. Great photos! Thanks for this video.

  • @theotijssen6061
    @theotijssen6061 Před 3 lety +5

    Fantastisch mooier kan echt niet ....warme herinneringen heb ik en blijf ik hier aan houden

  • @williammaddox3339
    @williammaddox3339 Před 11 lety +11

    La Vergine degli Angeli is one of my favorite pieces of music in opera. I first heard this recording about 30 years ago and have always been haunted by it. No other recording really compares to it; Ponselle's voice and interpretation have no equals in this scene.

  • @patrickwilenchik1718
    @patrickwilenchik1718 Před 3 lety +7

    Wonderful rendition 👏🌹very addictive and probably one of the finest performances ever.

  • @magnusjonsson1316
    @magnusjonsson1316 Před 8 lety +15

    There will never again be singing like this.

  • @Herur22
    @Herur22 Před 13 lety +8

    Beautiful music. Both singers were so moving and expresive.

  • @Olgaalwina
    @Olgaalwina Před 4 lety +4

    Welche unglaublich betörenden Sänger !!!!! und dies von 1928, fast hundert Jahre .....!

  • @pietroventrella6683
    @pietroventrella6683 Před 2 lety +3

    Non conosco la musica, ma all'inizio de "La vergine degli Angeli ....", è la prima volta che sento il basso emergere intonando, in controcanto, una nota ripetuta. E' un effetto che ho sempre gradito, insieme agli abbellimenti al violino. Bella tutta l'esecuzione.

  • @CommodusSPQR
    @CommodusSPQR Před 3 lety +5

    I am speechless here.

  • @levacquerosalie972
    @levacquerosalie972 Před 10 lety +9

    J'ai déjà chanté pour mes concerts, merci pour cette belle version originale. Magnifique.

  • @denismione2008
    @denismione2008 Před 3 lety +3

    Deux voix superbes... Quelle découverte merci pour les anges

  • @bodiloto
    @bodiloto Před 9 lety +14

    la perfezione.
    divina.

  • @callasexperience
    @callasexperience Před 9 lety +20

    tha was beautiful so controled rosa is a tsunami but she decides to become a wisper

  • @marcelpopa8018
    @marcelpopa8018 Před 9 lety +10

    Fantastic ! Pensso che il basso e Ezio Pinza in ruolo di padre Guardiano

  • @mrrkdino
    @mrrkdino Před 10 dny

    Only Ponselle and Tebaldi could sing this with such perfection.

  • @Herman6507
    @Herman6507 Před 3 lety +6

    This is such an extraordinary rendition! In all aspects. Thanks for uploading.

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety +6

    Sadly, am told that not just today's young singers, but even their voice coaches have never heard of Rosa Ponselle, let alone the equally great Rosa Raisa.

    • @vanzofaust
      @vanzofaust Před 2 lety

      Today's singers also know nothing about the art of singing or interpretation.

  • @fdawei
    @fdawei Před 10 měsíci +1

    Bravo! Bravo! Bravo

  • @johnareiter73
    @johnareiter73 Před 2 lety +3

    Truly Great!!!

  • @patrickwilenchik1718
    @patrickwilenchik1718 Před 3 lety +2

    Magnificent beautiful music and wonderful singing, 🙂

  • @pierluigiboccardi7576
    @pierluigiboccardi7576 Před rokem +1

    Spaventosamente bellissimo

  • @vanmusician
    @vanmusician Před 9 lety +5

    Back in 1978 I was priviledged to spend an evening with retired soprano Rose Bampton and her husband, Met conductor Wilfred Pelletier. Over coffee and cookies he casually mentioned that he had coached Ponselle and Caruso in La Juive. I was speechless!

    • @chessiepique9532
      @chessiepique9532 Před 8 lety

      +John Mitchell !!!!!

    • @vanmusician
      @vanmusician Před 8 lety +2

      +SHICOFF1 I have both of his Ponselle books and the Tucker one as well.

    • @vanmusician
      @vanmusician Před 8 lety +1

      +SHICOFF1 He was born in 1896, so he was 24 when Caruso and Ponselle performed La Juive at the Met. You can see him conducting Flagstad in Brunnhilde's battle cry in the movie. Big Broadcast of 1938

  • @MrGer2295
    @MrGer2295 Před 8 lety +5

    Beautiful singing! Thanks for sharing!

  • @kerryincolumbus
    @kerryincolumbus Před 9 lety +9

    No wonder Beverly Sills listened to Rosa Ponselle's recordings for inspiration, just amazing! You can hear a bit of Ponselle in some of B. Sills' notes from time to time.

    • @johnareiter73
      @johnareiter73 Před 2 lety +3

      Please...no comparison as Sills was second rate

    • @remomazzetti8757
      @remomazzetti8757 Před 2 lety +1

      There's no comparison between Ponselle and a lightweight like Sills who over ornamented practically everything she sang to cover for her interpretative insufficiency.

  • @GeorgeM1949
    @GeorgeM1949 Před 11 lety +3

    Transcendent. All I know to say. And the recording is remarkably cleaned up. Thank you new technology. I share the same disappointment with the modern singers mentioned on other postings. There are complaints about the training, the culture, etc. I wish I understood it better. But then I just quit worrying and log on to youtube and there it all is.

  • @allanhough8222
    @allanhough8222 Před 3 měsíci

    The first phrase from Ponselle!
    I've never heard her sound so much like the young Callas.

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 11 lety +4

    Ditto.... many thanks!

  • @neilpennington2035
    @neilpennington2035 Před 13 dny

    Just admit it - this is the greatest operatic recording ever made - even if it departs from the score (Ezio sings with the choir!).

  • @suzannejarosh1494
    @suzannejarosh1494 Před 5 měsíci

    how lucky we are to have this wonderful recording from 1928 !

  • @oakroom48
    @oakroom48 Před 10 lety +9

    I love your video. SO original & creative!! I found it most compatible with the music in a mysterious, satisfying way. And I found the recording, as others have expressed so well, devastatingly (wrong word?) beautiful. Thanks as always for your very fine work, Doug!

    • @CurzonRoad
      @CurzonRoad  Před 10 lety +3

      The tension & drama in a game of cards...
      Many thanks!

  • @rogalesi58
    @rogalesi58 Před 3 lety +2

    Great 👍

  • @AlfredBernasek-vm2jt
    @AlfredBernasek-vm2jt Před rokem +3

    PINZA FANTASTISCH UNERREICHBAR

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety +2

    Hello, Earl: And many thanks for stopping by, moreover with your kind and informative words. All Best. Doug --

  • @pao-ri-ro08
    @pao-ri-ro08 Před 2 lety +1

    La amo!!

  • @VivaRenata
    @VivaRenata Před 12 lety +2

    Thanks to you too! As an "old dinosaur" - as my daughter likes to call me. I never heard Ponselle live, or Flagstad or Ghiaurov - but I still believe we should listen to these great interpreters in spite of the scratches on our LP:s. Many regards from VR

    • @marcelpopa8018
      @marcelpopa8018 Před 8 měsíci

      Renata sei una idiota ! Non conosce La Lirica !

  • @andyrawn
    @andyrawn Před 13 lety +1

    DOUG ~
    This is an ESPECIALLY nostalgic & significant recording for ME ~ my first opera recording, a gift from my Grandfather Rawn long ago.
    Visiting us in California from his Virginia farm ~ his basso voice & dramatic personality were by themselves a major determining factor in my choice of a singing-career.
    Then, at a key moment of a teenager's exploration of singing, Granddad handed me this VERY recording, Pinza's resonance glowing throughout & Ponselle's also unforgettable.
    ~ ANDY

  • @rupertchristiansen5826
    @rupertchristiansen5826 Před rokem +1

    divine

  • @Operafiend22
    @Operafiend22 Před 5 lety +7

    The definitive Leonora

  • @joopkruup2910
    @joopkruup2910 Před 6 měsíci

    Inderdaad een mooi stuk muziek.

  • @ininacsot
    @ininacsot Před rokem

    Que du plaisir encore merci Madame!!

  • @oakroom48
    @oakroom48 Před 5 lety +1

    So glad I revisited this, Doug! Thank you again

  • @soniasalinas7034
    @soniasalinas7034 Před 2 lety

    Wonderful voice thanks .Chile 🇨🇱

    • @Herman6507
      @Herman6507 Před rokem

      Who's Chile?

    • @soniasalinas7034
      @soniasalinas7034 Před rokem

      @@Herman6507
      Respondo .Chile es un hermoso país hubicado al sur de américa del sur ,idioma español.
      14 millónes de habitantes aproximádamente .Saludos.

    • @soniasalinas7034
      @soniasalinas7034 Před rokem

      Where are you from?

  • @AulicExclusiva
    @AulicExclusiva Před 13 lety +4

    Pinza, of course, supreme. Ponselle, as usual, seems to be singing in her sleep, but her phrasing is smooth. Great music, indeed.

    • @mmjhcb
      @mmjhcb Před 5 lety +3

      WHATTTTTTTTTTTT????????????

  • @chessiepique9532
    @chessiepique9532 Před 8 lety +5

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety

    Dear VivaRenata:
    Thank you... very much!
    Regards.
    Doug --

  • @petergraham8681
    @petergraham8681 Před 7 měsíci

    Perhaps the absolute best recording of this classic duet that I have heard. Both were in their prime vocally at this time but I read in a bio of Ponselle that she did not care much for Pinza compared with Jose Mardones who sang Guardiano at Ponselle‘s premiere. I wish there were an excerpt with them, out of curiosity. I have several arias with Mardones on a CD but these are acoustical recordings & although his instrument comes through well, I find that interpretively most of the selections are without great distinction & tend to sound much the same, impressive as they are vocally. Who else but Mardones recorded Fiesco‘s aria with a final 2 octave descent? Indulgent but those were the days. Pinza’s timbre & interpretive qualities, IMO, come through better & the then new electrical process has, I am sure, a lot to do with this.

    • @neilpennington2035
      @neilpennington2035 Před měsícem

      I have spent 40 years trying to decide between Pinza, Mardones and Kipnis for the great bass roles - I am still no nearer finding the answer - whoever I have heard last seems to be my choice.

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 11 lety +2

    Haha... very well said... many thanks!

  • @nightwish5215
    @nightwish5215 Před 6 dny

    Her eyes full of saddness 😢

  • @keldaogg2157
    @keldaogg2157 Před 2 lety

    Time just stood still

  • @brendanmccann2455
    @brendanmccann2455 Před rokem +1

    🎭👏👏

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety +2

    Funny... none of the children of my record collecting friends, including my own four (4), are fond of these sounds. Perhaps it is part of youth's natural aversion to immediate representatives of authority, aka their parents? Hopefully some day down the road they will see, nay hear the light. Until then... nice to meet you!

  • @michaelzimmermann1958
    @michaelzimmermann1958 Před 4 měsíci

    Die Reference Aufnahme dieser Opernszene. Schade das es keine Aufnahmen von Rosa Ponselle mit ihrem Förderer Enrico Caruso gibt.

  • @TheKatchour
    @TheKatchour Před 5 lety +1

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • @saagua1953
    @saagua1953 Před 12 lety +2

    This was the role she sang at her Met debut. One critic said of her performance: "Of course she cannot be considered as great a singer as Rosa Raisa." RR? Who's she? Next to completely forgotten. When you read the old critiques of Ponselle you can see the critics making utter fools of themselves.

  • @georgesringeisen5365
    @georgesringeisen5365 Před 3 lety +1

    I hope Patricia Janeckova will sing it some day …

    • @Herman6507
      @Herman6507 Před rokem

      Don't get distracted by the looks...

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety

    There's a decent enough wiki article on Rosa Raisa. Her accomplishments on stage and in the recording studio can not be so easily dismissed. Check out the Marston reissue.

  • @nickbaritone
    @nickbaritone Před 3 lety +2

    Who disliked this? Are you kidding me?

  • @fedecastaldi
    @fedecastaldi Před 10 lety +6

    anita cerquetti, maria callas e rosa ponselle! poi dopo molte hanno cantato più o meno bene questa aria eccezionale ..........

    • @fabriziomariagarzi5534
      @fabriziomariagarzi5534 Před 7 lety +1

      Maria Callas, Leontyne Price, Rosa Ponselle e le altre a molta distanza.

    • @fedecastaldi
      @fedecastaldi Před 6 lety

      accetto la correzione che, dopo avere ascoltato la sua classifica, mi ha costretto a riascoltare quanto detto da entrambi. condivido in pieno.
      ma la cerquetti che,come lei giustamente dice, non era un'eccezionale 'norma, almeno in quest'aria non riesce ad accettarla un pochino di più?

    • @fabriziomariagarzi5534
      @fabriziomariagarzi5534 Před 6 lety

      No,ha un accento "plebeo"...non mi e' mai piaciuta, non ci riesco.

    • @fedecastaldi
      @fedecastaldi Před 6 lety

      ius libere sentiendi naturale
      rispetto il suo 'sentire' ma.... continuo ad amare anche anita!

    • @fabriziomariagarzi5534
      @fabriziomariagarzi5534 Před 6 lety +1

      Federico, ma certamente, ci mancherebbe altro...comunque, detto tra noi, e' un brano abbastanza elementare. "Pace, pace mio Dio" o "Son giunta" sono altra cosa, li si impiccano parecchie.

  • @cantorandopera
    @cantorandopera Před 13 lety +2

    Yummy - I am a sucker for Pinza :)

  • @asmakabbous7019
    @asmakabbous7019 Před rokem

    T.belle

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 12 lety

    Sorry, getting down to it, no one is talking about "the best" here. Moreover don't feel we're being too generous placing Raisa with Rosa (there are people I know and respect who can not stand the latter). No matter, listen to whomsoever you choose, and enjoy!

  • @VivaRenata
    @VivaRenata Před 12 lety

    Nice to meet you too! My daughter, who is a young adult by now is very musical. She has a much better ear than I do, but simply does not like opera. It may well be that occasionally silly plots & the dramatic exaggerration of the art form prevents young people from appreciating the beauty of the music and the voices. Who knows?

  • @CurzonRoad
    @CurzonRoad  Před 11 lety

    ((((( Thank You! )))))

  • @jayjackson8480
    @jayjackson8480 Před 10 lety +3

    "Classical crossover becomes more and more a gimmick rather than anything serious in its own right." is a direct quote from zamyrabyrd.
    I post it to show the extent of zamyrabyrd's personal bias against a whole gerne of music, which contribute to zamyrabyrd's OTT obsessive attacks against Ms Evancho.
    There are nearly 3 years worth of zamyrabyrd's irrelevant and inane remarks that prove the severity of her obsession, and explains why she still continue to plague Ms Evancho sites.

    • @chessiepique9532
      @chessiepique9532 Před 8 lety +1

      +Jay Jackson I wouldn't listen to much of Evancho with world-class singers like Ponselle (and many others) to hear, but she's a kid and she does pretty darn well for a kid. Haters should leave the young lady alone.

    • @mmjhcb
      @mmjhcb Před 5 lety

      How the "H" did Evancho get into a discussion of the truly -- TRULY -- sublime singing of Rosa Ponselle????????? Not to mention Pinza.

  • @GaryNReese
    @GaryNReese Před 7 měsíci

    I don't know why Ponselle is not up there on the same level as Callas. She was as great if not greater. Listen to all of the components of her singing art. Everything is here. Toscanini when he heard Callas in rehearsal for La Vestale, said I can't understand her Italian. She needs to sing AND articulate. Never that for Ponselle.

    • @neilpennington2035
      @neilpennington2035 Před měsícem

      I find Rosa to be like Callas without the faults. Her voice is so pure.

  • @saagua1953
    @saagua1953 Před 12 lety +2

    "equally great"??? I don't buy that idea. Callas, Pavarotti, Schwarzkopf, Garden, Serafin and others have never said Raisa was the best to my knowledge, or even that she was equal to Ponselle. In fact they never speak of her at all. If she were as good as you say that would not be the case.

  • @brunoiotti3522
    @brunoiotti3522 Před 2 měsíci +1

    (!)

  • @brunoiotti3522
    @brunoiotti3522 Před 2 měsíci +1

    ...cantomaschile.....nonleggero-catarroso (...necessitagargarismi, prima di esibizione...).../ ok per sopran

  • @arrassip
    @arrassip Před 6 lety +3

    She is fantastic but the best is Renata Tebaldi.

    • @johnareiter73
      @johnareiter73 Před 2 lety +1

      Ponselle was on a plane above all.

    • @mariabaldino7674
      @mariabaldino7674 Před 2 lety

      @@johnareiter73. Versione
      Meravigliosa, la migliore di tutte

  • @giuseppinascapparone5912

    Meraviglioso brano interpretato magistralmente da voci sublimi!!!

  • @kid926
    @kid926 Před 11 dny

    É proprio vero negli ultimi 100 anni tutti i soprano hanno intinto e rubato da Rosa Ponselle