Soprano Rosa PONSELLE: La vergine degli angeli (1928)
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- Soprano Rosa Ponselle (1897-1981) / La vergine degli angeli / La Forza del Destino (Verdi) / with basso Ezio Pinza (1892-1957) and chorus / Orchestra: G. Setti / Recorded: January 23, 1928 --
One of the greatest recordings ever. Listen also to Pinza singing with the chorus. Makes time stand still.
absolute, great the magnificant voice of Ezio Pinza, the time stand still, i have never better hear this duet
Ich höre es zum ersten Mal und bin sprachlos. Unerreichbar.
Grandissima... Con la Tebaldi...sono le migliori in quest'opera....Pinza grandissimo...
True
Rosa Ponssele E la la piu grande in prima meta da XXcentesimo . Non deve dimenticare ,questa signora non ha cantata dopo 1928. Ezio Pinza sublime !
so lucky to have this remastered recording from nearly 100years ago.i have never heard it done better than these two
Two of the most beautiful voices at their peak. Her first phrase, indeed her whole part, must be among the most beautiful notes that even she ever produced.
perfect Voices Ponselle and Ezio Pinza, the best Pater Guardiano oh God what for a Basso
One of THE definitive tracks in the history of operatic recording.
Oh God, such magnificent Pinza!
Maravilloso Pinza. Canta en su tonalidad, fuera del coro.Nadie hace asì. Que voz y prestancia. Nadie como èl.
Perfection. That is the only word coming to my mind when listening to this rendition. Great, great singers we cannot even dream to have these days.
Very true
Why voices are not natural today ?
Something has been lost. Why ?
Is there someone capable of teaching that Way to give great singers Again to the World ?
Thank you for this video
+Dominique Delair I only personally know of two teachers who teach the old way, myself (in London and Berlin) and Anthony Frisell (in New York). I was very fortunate to train with an old teacher in London who taught using 'Registration' ie. complete separation of chest and falsetto registers, strengthening the registers then co-ordinating them to create a unique and natural voice as in the above video. The problem is finding students willing to submit to the process as it does take time to get results. In the long run it is the quickest (and only!) way to obtain a superior instrument but there are so many teachers out there offering 'quick fixes' which ultimately destroy the natural singing voice. All my students make rapid progress but there is a period of time when it is inadvisable to perform so it can get quite frustrating. We have to remember that all the great composers wrote music for already perfected instruments. One wouldn't try to play a violin until it left the workshop. Likewise it is absurd for untrained voices to attempt to sing the great music of the past. That is the problem in a nutshell - we live in a culture of instant gratification so unfortunately great singing is unlikely to return any time soon!
only few teacher,that know whot is "bel canto
I know of a russian soprano who teaches the old way. She lives in Romania and I am so glad I've found her. It is not only the teacher, it must also be the student.
Non ho mai sentito.una vergine degli angell così bella
Another issue - apart from Rosa Raisa and Rosa Ponselle - there are so many listeners in the modern age who are blocked from appreciating the greatness of past singers because they can not get beyond the less sophisticated (and perhaps even harmful) recording techniques of the present age. A great appreciation to CZcams and all who contribute to making the artists of the past available to listerners -at least to those gifted enough not to care about the scratches on these historical recordings.
Pop singing and teaching has killed the old school opera style. This recording proves that.
What soppiness ! The world isn't going to end with opera.
Rosa Ponzillio
Incredible recording, Pinza is a luscious deep foil to the angelic sound of Ponselle. The non intrusiveness of the chorus makes the highest and lowest voices transparent.
Sublime,divina Rosa Ponselle
Ho iniziato questa bellissima avventura di opera lirica con soli cinque dischi a 78 giri quando avevo soli 8 anni. Li ascoltavo tutto il tempo. Uno di quei dischi era questo, con il Miserere del Trovatore cantato da Martinelli.
Just can't stop listening to this piece.
Thank you for sharing!
Most welcome... thank YOU!
Sempre la divina
Perfection. Very few sopranos sing this music so beautifully. Even the bass can be heard clearly.
Une voix oubliée, mais qu'elle divine voix... Une des plus belles soprano... Merci les anges
Gatti was mad not to allow Ponselle to sing Adriane; but then we would not have the Villa Pace recordings. The combination of Pinza and Ponselle is a match made in heaven.
No finer singers ever graced the stage of the old Met. Great photos! Thanks for this video.
Fantastisch mooier kan echt niet ....warme herinneringen heb ik en blijf ik hier aan houden
La Vergine degli Angeli is one of my favorite pieces of music in opera. I first heard this recording about 30 years ago and have always been haunted by it. No other recording really compares to it; Ponselle's voice and interpretation have no equals in this scene.
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Tebaldi is equally wonderful in this
Wonderful rendition 👏🌹very addictive and probably one of the finest performances ever.
There will never again be singing like this.
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Beautiful music. Both singers were so moving and expresive.
Welche unglaublich betörenden Sänger !!!!! und dies von 1928, fast hundert Jahre .....!
Non conosco la musica, ma all'inizio de "La vergine degli Angeli ....", è la prima volta che sento il basso emergere intonando, in controcanto, una nota ripetuta. E' un effetto che ho sempre gradito, insieme agli abbellimenti al violino. Bella tutta l'esecuzione.
Pietroventrella ,SI ai raggione !
I am speechless here.
J'ai déjà chanté pour mes concerts, merci pour cette belle version originale. Magnifique.
Deux voix superbes... Quelle découverte merci pour les anges
la perfezione.
divina.
bodiloto noi gi9iamo nel sentire queste voci. ....baci. Mari
tha was beautiful so controled rosa is a tsunami but she decides to become a wisper
Fantastic ! Pensso che il basso e Ezio Pinza in ruolo di padre Guardiano
Only Ponselle and Tebaldi could sing this with such perfection.
This is such an extraordinary rendition! In all aspects. Thanks for uploading.
Sadly, am told that not just today's young singers, but even their voice coaches have never heard of Rosa Ponselle, let alone the equally great Rosa Raisa.
Today's singers also know nothing about the art of singing or interpretation.
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo
Truly Great!!!
Magnificent beautiful music and wonderful singing, 🙂
Spaventosamente bellissimo
Back in 1978 I was priviledged to spend an evening with retired soprano Rose Bampton and her husband, Met conductor Wilfred Pelletier. Over coffee and cookies he casually mentioned that he had coached Ponselle and Caruso in La Juive. I was speechless!
+John Mitchell !!!!!
+SHICOFF1 I have both of his Ponselle books and the Tucker one as well.
+SHICOFF1 He was born in 1896, so he was 24 when Caruso and Ponselle performed La Juive at the Met. You can see him conducting Flagstad in Brunnhilde's battle cry in the movie. Big Broadcast of 1938
Beautiful singing! Thanks for sharing!
No wonder Beverly Sills listened to Rosa Ponselle's recordings for inspiration, just amazing! You can hear a bit of Ponselle in some of B. Sills' notes from time to time.
Please...no comparison as Sills was second rate
There's no comparison between Ponselle and a lightweight like Sills who over ornamented practically everything she sang to cover for her interpretative insufficiency.
Transcendent. All I know to say. And the recording is remarkably cleaned up. Thank you new technology. I share the same disappointment with the modern singers mentioned on other postings. There are complaints about the training, the culture, etc. I wish I understood it better. But then I just quit worrying and log on to youtube and there it all is.
The first phrase from Ponselle!
I've never heard her sound so much like the young Callas.
Ditto.... many thanks!
Just admit it - this is the greatest operatic recording ever made - even if it departs from the score (Ezio sings with the choir!).
how lucky we are to have this wonderful recording from 1928 !
I love your video. SO original & creative!! I found it most compatible with the music in a mysterious, satisfying way. And I found the recording, as others have expressed so well, devastatingly (wrong word?) beautiful. Thanks as always for your very fine work, Doug!
The tension & drama in a game of cards...
Many thanks!
Great 👍
PINZA FANTASTISCH UNERREICHBAR
Hello, Earl: And many thanks for stopping by, moreover with your kind and informative words. All Best. Doug --
La amo!!
Thanks to you too! As an "old dinosaur" - as my daughter likes to call me. I never heard Ponselle live, or Flagstad or Ghiaurov - but I still believe we should listen to these great interpreters in spite of the scratches on our LP:s. Many regards from VR
Renata sei una idiota ! Non conosce La Lirica !
DOUG ~
This is an ESPECIALLY nostalgic & significant recording for ME ~ my first opera recording, a gift from my Grandfather Rawn long ago.
Visiting us in California from his Virginia farm ~ his basso voice & dramatic personality were by themselves a major determining factor in my choice of a singing-career.
Then, at a key moment of a teenager's exploration of singing, Granddad handed me this VERY recording, Pinza's resonance glowing throughout & Ponselle's also unforgettable.
~ ANDY
divine
The definitive Leonora
Inderdaad een mooi stuk muziek.
Que du plaisir encore merci Madame!!
So glad I revisited this, Doug! Thank you again
Wonderful voice thanks .Chile 🇨🇱
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Pinza, of course, supreme. Ponselle, as usual, seems to be singing in her sleep, but her phrasing is smooth. Great music, indeed.
WHATTTTTTTTTTTT????????????
Dear VivaRenata:
Thank you... very much!
Regards.
Doug --
Perhaps the absolute best recording of this classic duet that I have heard. Both were in their prime vocally at this time but I read in a bio of Ponselle that she did not care much for Pinza compared with Jose Mardones who sang Guardiano at Ponselle‘s premiere. I wish there were an excerpt with them, out of curiosity. I have several arias with Mardones on a CD but these are acoustical recordings & although his instrument comes through well, I find that interpretively most of the selections are without great distinction & tend to sound much the same, impressive as they are vocally. Who else but Mardones recorded Fiesco‘s aria with a final 2 octave descent? Indulgent but those were the days. Pinza’s timbre & interpretive qualities, IMO, come through better & the then new electrical process has, I am sure, a lot to do with this.
I have spent 40 years trying to decide between Pinza, Mardones and Kipnis for the great bass roles - I am still no nearer finding the answer - whoever I have heard last seems to be my choice.
Haha... very well said... many thanks!
Her eyes full of saddness 😢
Time just stood still
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Funny... none of the children of my record collecting friends, including my own four (4), are fond of these sounds. Perhaps it is part of youth's natural aversion to immediate representatives of authority, aka their parents? Hopefully some day down the road they will see, nay hear the light. Until then... nice to meet you!
Die Reference Aufnahme dieser Opernszene. Schade das es keine Aufnahmen von Rosa Ponselle mit ihrem Förderer Enrico Caruso gibt.
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This was the role she sang at her Met debut. One critic said of her performance: "Of course she cannot be considered as great a singer as Rosa Raisa." RR? Who's she? Next to completely forgotten. When you read the old critiques of Ponselle you can see the critics making utter fools of themselves.
Ponselle spoke highly of Raisa in her autobiography.
I hope Patricia Janeckova will sing it some day …
Don't get distracted by the looks...
There's a decent enough wiki article on Rosa Raisa. Her accomplishments on stage and in the recording studio can not be so easily dismissed. Check out the Marston reissue.
Who disliked this? Are you kidding me?
anita cerquetti, maria callas e rosa ponselle! poi dopo molte hanno cantato più o meno bene questa aria eccezionale ..........
Maria Callas, Leontyne Price, Rosa Ponselle e le altre a molta distanza.
accetto la correzione che, dopo avere ascoltato la sua classifica, mi ha costretto a riascoltare quanto detto da entrambi. condivido in pieno.
ma la cerquetti che,come lei giustamente dice, non era un'eccezionale 'norma, almeno in quest'aria non riesce ad accettarla un pochino di più?
No,ha un accento "plebeo"...non mi e' mai piaciuta, non ci riesco.
ius libere sentiendi naturale
rispetto il suo 'sentire' ma.... continuo ad amare anche anita!
Federico, ma certamente, ci mancherebbe altro...comunque, detto tra noi, e' un brano abbastanza elementare. "Pace, pace mio Dio" o "Son giunta" sono altra cosa, li si impiccano parecchie.
Yummy - I am a sucker for Pinza :)
T.belle
Sorry, getting down to it, no one is talking about "the best" here. Moreover don't feel we're being too generous placing Raisa with Rosa (there are people I know and respect who can not stand the latter). No matter, listen to whomsoever you choose, and enjoy!
Nice to meet you too! My daughter, who is a young adult by now is very musical. She has a much better ear than I do, but simply does not like opera. It may well be that occasionally silly plots & the dramatic exaggerration of the art form prevents young people from appreciating the beauty of the music and the voices. Who knows?
((((( Thank You! )))))
"Classical crossover becomes more and more a gimmick rather than anything serious in its own right." is a direct quote from zamyrabyrd.
I post it to show the extent of zamyrabyrd's personal bias against a whole gerne of music, which contribute to zamyrabyrd's OTT obsessive attacks against Ms Evancho.
There are nearly 3 years worth of zamyrabyrd's irrelevant and inane remarks that prove the severity of her obsession, and explains why she still continue to plague Ms Evancho sites.
+Jay Jackson I wouldn't listen to much of Evancho with world-class singers like Ponselle (and many others) to hear, but she's a kid and she does pretty darn well for a kid. Haters should leave the young lady alone.
How the "H" did Evancho get into a discussion of the truly -- TRULY -- sublime singing of Rosa Ponselle????????? Not to mention Pinza.
I don't know why Ponselle is not up there on the same level as Callas. She was as great if not greater. Listen to all of the components of her singing art. Everything is here. Toscanini when he heard Callas in rehearsal for La Vestale, said I can't understand her Italian. She needs to sing AND articulate. Never that for Ponselle.
I find Rosa to be like Callas without the faults. Her voice is so pure.
"equally great"??? I don't buy that idea. Callas, Pavarotti, Schwarzkopf, Garden, Serafin and others have never said Raisa was the best to my knowledge, or even that she was equal to Ponselle. In fact they never speak of her at all. If she were as good as you say that would not be the case.
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...cantomaschile.....nonleggero-catarroso (...necessitagargarismi, prima di esibizione...).../ ok per sopran
She is fantastic but the best is Renata Tebaldi.
Ponselle was on a plane above all.
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Meravigliosa, la migliore di tutte
Meraviglioso brano interpretato magistralmente da voci sublimi!!!
É proprio vero negli ultimi 100 anni tutti i soprano hanno intinto e rubato da Rosa Ponselle