This takes me back. Used to take the train from Tottenham Corner to Reedham back in the late sixties to go to the Orchid in Purley. Used to love those days. Really nostalgic.Great days and lovely memories! All my old friends must be in their 70’s now!
This is my daily commute (all the way up to London Bridge though)! I love this service and this train - always so clean and tidy too (well, up until recently as the line no longer goes fast from East Croydon to London Bridge, instead stopping at many stations in between). Although my commute is on the longer side, I have come to love it and this has been really cool to see it from another perspective! Thank you also for all the fun facts :)
Lived in Hartley Down for first 18 years of my life and Reedham was our closest station just off Old Lodge Lane - can still recall seeing the Brighton Belle dashing across in Cream and Umber - . Smitham and Coulsdon North were almost the same distance and the long concrete bridge is still there - I recall the last days of the gas lamps along the bridge being lit manually and my brother commuting to his school from Coulsdon North. Chipstead Valley was always a quick way to feel the 'countryside' and so good to see the regular 4 carriage service rather than the 2 that used join with 4 from Caterham. I went to Reedham School for the first year of infants! This was a lovely jaunt through Surrey.
Thanks for taking me back. Used to live on this line over 60 years ago and my first train rides were from Smitham. (I can't call it Coulsdon!) Blimey, all those new builds there now! I was an occasional visitor to Tattenham Corner if I'd had a few up in town after work and fell asleep! What used to annoy me was all the stops. My boss used to leave for work at the same time as me and would beat me in. He lived in Brighton!
I’m pretty sure most of us have overslept our stop at some point and ended up further down the line than intended! It’s a ponderous plod up the hill, so I guess I’m not overly surprised someone shooting to Brighton at 90mph would match a stopper to Tattenham
Despite all the speed restrictions, this seemed to be a lovely, smooth ride; maybe different when you're back in the train though. I love how quickly the railways find open countryside after leaving central London. Thanks for another enjoyable virtual day trip. 👍😁
Thank you!very interesting…I’ve never used this line and I was surprised how attractive it is. There are also some interesting and complicated civil engineering aspects…particularly when the route ends up running parallel to the Brighton mainline! Nice quality videoing too…regards from Rob in Bournemouth.
The bridge you go under just prior to arriving at Woodmansterne Station going towards Tattenham Corner has neither a footpath or a road running above and never has done. Presumably it was built to carry a road that was never built. Tattenham Corner used to have a lot more platforms than it now has. In 1993 a train over ran the buffers and demolished much of the old station buildings. The train driver was later found to be drunk, over three times the legal limit and was subsequently jailed. It was after this incident that British Rail introduced a much tougher drink and drugs policy nationwide.
@@emmo999 Epsom Downs station, like Tattenham Corner Station is a terminus. They are only about 25 mins walk away from each other, probably under a mille and a half apart. Just imagine if they could be linked by a through line how convenient that would be for people travelling in either direction by train between Sutton and Purley or anywhere in between and also using the line for onward journeys from those stations!
I've been down the Brighton line and the East Grinstead line (in cab rides), but I've never been down that way. It has the feel of a nice rural branch line, a feeling added to by the number of 30 mph restrictions.
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Absolutely! The area around Coulsdon Town (Smitham) is now unrecognisable. The biggest change would be the removal of Coulsdon North and the subsequent remodelling of the whole line between Windmill Bridge Junction and Stoats Nest (which didn't really affect the Tattenham Corner line itself). I used that line daily for years and the old layout is still imprinted on my brain! I know Coulsdon North was unnecessary but I still have fond memories of it.
The Tattenham Corner line was deliberately built for the Queen/King to come to the Epsom derby in the 19th century, so the royal train would come down this line, it survived the Beeching cuts in the 1960s cause she would still use this. Unfortunately now she comes in her Bentley 😂
As an Epsom boy I always knew this route but have never travelled on it always going by car for years and years. The original intention was to link Tattenham Corner and Epsom Downs in a circular route but the landowners of the racecourse would not allow it. Rather sad.
That’s a very recent change. When I filmed this in July, trains were still splitting/joining at Purley as usual. Hence starting halfway down the platform, and you’ll see when I upload the return journey we come up behind another unit at Purley
@@emmo999 It's my route into work, and I have to admit when not in a hurry I have got off the train to watch the coupling and uncoupling as I know it's not that exciting but it's interesting to see what all the pulling and pushing is about
It’s all very simply and automatic nowadays, the days of someone having to connect up all the hoses, etc are behind us. 455s only get split/connected in the depot now
@@emmo999 I’m not sure, I went to a Nicholas Owen thing in Tadworth village hall a couple of years ago and he said it was. I’m not sure what classifies a tunnel
@@TheMisterB2uIn the days of Brirish Railways, on the Western Region a tunnel was defined as being anything over 40 yards long, anything less was a bridge; I'm not sure whether that applied on other Regions though.
I suppose the reason for these weird and pointless increases in the speed limit is to provide more reference for braking points and stuff, but that's just a guess on my part.
@@emmo999 I remember the old MK1 suburban stock splitting and joining at Purley. There was a man to do it no automatic then. Big electrical jumper and the two air lines. To uncouple there was a handle attached to a chain. Then they did the brake test on both parts of the train.
Still my local line from Tadworth..A very scenic journey from after Woodmansterne to Tattenham corner A vital link as the local bus service is atrocious..I still remember the two long sloping corrugated roofed walkways from the booking office at street level to the platforms and the gas lighting,,,At present they have reintroduced a through service to London Bridge..Does anyone know of the private line that ran from Kingswood up to Sir Cosmo Bonsors house in Kingswood He was MP and later a Baronet and had a great deal to do with the sanctioning and building of the line
The GoPro records in 12 minute clips. Obviously I stitch these together. Obviously, what with cutting station stops, they’re not always 12 minutes apart, so presumably this is what you’re noticing. I’m not sure if there’s a work around, it’s a limitation of the GoPro I think
@@emmo999 I noticed a lot of artifacts, I think this can be fixed by upping the bitrate of the recording. In tunnels, you can't really do much about frame drops though since the camera sensor's quality depends on enough light in it.
Usually these are marks where the track has recently been tamped. The NR man supervising the works will mark up and spray up obstructions that should be avoided, such as cables, fishplates, track circuit cables, greasers etc
Am I correct in thinking they are still using the 5-car 377 Electrostars on this route. I am just curious as I hope to be travelling to Tadworth in just over a weeks time. It does sound like a high pitched AC motor as opposed to the low roar of the DC motors. The first time I used this line, about 10 years ago, they actually ran 2 x 455 units all the way through to Tattenham Corner because the Caterham line was shut for Engineering Works. Due to short platforms, they got all the passengers off the rear unit and onto the front unit at Purley before they locked all the doors on the rear unit. After I finished what I was doing at Tadworth, I had just missed a train heading back to East Croydon so out of curiosity, I decided to see what was would happen at Tattenham Corner. They made sure everybody was off before they locked the doors to the unit at the Tattenham end before unlocking the doors to the unit facing towards London. At Purley, they then unlocked the other unit.
Finally, I get to ride to Tattenham Corner; I've been wanting this for years !! What happens to the second driver/motorman when the two trains join at Purley ?? Does either the Tattenham Corner driver, or Caterham driver shuttle back and forth south of Purley ??? Is the Tattenham Corner train always at the north end, and the Caterham train at the south end of the platform at Purley ? If so, I assume that the Tattenham Corner driver is the one to shuttle back and forth south of Purley ? Aarre Peltomaa
I am not aware of all diagrams, but I know there’s one that, once he’s hooked up to the back of a Caterham train, he comes off, has a break and takes another to Tattenham and back
@@emmo999 There is a Southern service from London Bridge via Streatham; is that the same one that splits up here in Purley ? Do any of these splitting trains go via Norwood Junction ? Aarre Peltomaa
Just curious, what SWR area rides do you have recorded but not posted yet? I'm trying to research my route for Train Sim and having to use cab rides from 2004 and 2015 which is proving very tricky. Really looking forward to you posting some more up soon.
No indeed. All the stations from Chipstead down are all nice buildings. Obviously Tattenham Corner has a slightly chequered history, so that has a reason for having a modern building
Another nice video as usual. I apologise if this has been asked before but the third rail is always on the inside of two tracks in tunnels and at stations, is this for safety reasons or the logistics of cable runs in these areas.
In tunnels, I’d never noticed, but at stations it’s always the furthest side from the platform, just in case someone should fall off. It would also make sense in tunnels, as the safe refuges are within the tunnel side walls
The next video will be Tattenham back to Purley, and then I have mammoth journey recorded to upload. I will try and get Caterham done all the way from London
Because it is possible, and indeed regularly used, for trains to turn around at Coulsdon Town and head back towards London I believe it is only every second train that extends beyond Coulsdon to Tattenham Corner, thus giving a more frequent service from Coulsdon to London
@@emmo999 trains don't terminate at coulsdon town anymore unless there are delays, but even so wouldn't that be used for the other side of the platform? why would a signal facing down be used on the up platform when there are no crossings between coulsdon town and woodmansterne?
@@PGATProductionsThat signal is what’s known as a fixed red. It can’t show any other aspect. Trains could cross over on the pointwork before Coulsdon, and then terminate at the red in the platform. They are then on the right platform ready to head back to London. Trains turning back can use either platform. If you watch the video going the other way, you’ll see signals at the London end of both platforms for this purpose
just curious, how does the general public, young children, and the like keep off railroad properties and avoid the dangerouus third rail power lines ???? mostly used in the U.S. by Subway systems or elevated rail lines in the large cities carrying 600 Volts.....
UK railways all have fences around them. This obviously does not stop determined trespassers or vandals, but keeps the railway safe from casual wanderers
@@emmo999 hi .yes they were just as good and a lovely design.i seem to remember them running through acton central in the 80s and at Bromley North station doing the shuttle service
This takes me back. Used to take the train from Tottenham Corner to Reedham back in the late sixties to go to the Orchid in Purley. Used to love those days. Really nostalgic.Great days and lovely memories! All my old friends must be in their 70’s now!
I like the rides on the Branch lines on Drivers View. Thanks for the great Videos and the information you edit in, hope to see more.
Great video, I love seeing the drivers view.👍
Glad you enjoyed it! More to come soon
This is my daily commute (all the way up to London Bridge though)! I love this service and this train - always so clean and tidy too (well, up until recently as the line no longer goes fast from East Croydon to London Bridge, instead stopping at many stations in between). Although my commute is on the longer side, I have come to love it and this has been really cool to see it from another perspective! Thank you also for all the fun facts :)
Glad you enjoyed the video. I do plan to film the London Bridge part of the journey, when opportunity allows
So relaxing to watch. And Hoppity Tunnel made me smile.
Glad you enjoyed it. More to be uploaded soon!
I thought we might see rabbits around the tunnel - great name!!👍😁
Ahhh! Best way to relax on a Sunday morning with a coffee and toast and have a ride on a train! Thank you!
Haha! Well that sounds like a plan! 😃 Think of some of us who are up and out at work already. Home for a nice roast later 😉
A final ride today on a passenger train. Love them also.see you on the next! 🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸
Lived in Hartley Down for first 18 years of my life and Reedham was our closest station just off Old Lodge Lane - can still recall seeing the Brighton Belle dashing across in Cream and Umber - . Smitham and Coulsdon North were almost the same distance and the long concrete bridge is still there - I recall the last days of the gas lamps along the bridge being lit manually and my brother commuting to his school from Coulsdon North. Chipstead Valley was always a quick way to feel the 'countryside' and so good to see the regular 4 carriage service rather than the 2 that used join with 4 from Caterham. I went to Reedham School for the first year of infants! This was a lovely jaunt through Surrey.
Glad you enjoyed the ride!
Never been along that line so it’s good know the stations along the route
Great route did once commute this way from East Croydon to chipstead very often.
Once you get away from the urban sprawl, it’s pretty along here
Know this route. Haven't been on it for a very long time. Great Video.
Cheers thank you. Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for taking me back. Used to live on this line over 60 years ago and my first train rides were from Smitham. (I can't call it Coulsdon!) Blimey, all those new builds there now! I was an occasional visitor to Tattenham Corner if I'd had a few up in town after work and fell asleep! What used to annoy me was all the stops. My boss used to leave for work at the same time as me and would beat me in. He lived in Brighton!
I’m pretty sure most of us have overslept our stop at some point and ended up further down the line than intended! It’s a ponderous plod up the hill, so I guess I’m not overly surprised someone shooting to Brighton at 90mph would match a stopper to Tattenham
Delightful buildings. I used to visit relatives on Smitham Downs Road, Reedham was closest or Coulsdon North (Stoats Nest) before it closed.
Despite all the speed restrictions, this seemed to be a lovely, smooth ride; maybe different when you're back in the train though. I love how quickly the railways find open countryside after leaving central London.
Thanks for another enjoyable virtual day trip. 👍😁
It is a lovely ride, whisking you away into the rural landscapes of Surrey
Thank you as ever for the comments
Thanks, lovely little journey, love the English countryside.
Certainly very pretty once you get out of the suburbs
Interesting little commuter route, that. Thanks for sharing 👍
No worries. It gets quite rural once it gets past Woodmansterne
I love the transportation system.
This is awesome - thanks for upload 😍👍
Thank you!very interesting…I’ve never used this line and I was surprised how attractive it is. There are also some interesting and complicated civil engineering aspects…particularly when the route ends up running parallel to the Brighton mainline! Nice quality videoing too…regards from Rob in Bournemouth.
The bridge you go under just prior to arriving at Woodmansterne Station going towards Tattenham Corner has neither a footpath or a road running above and never has done. Presumably it was built to carry a road that was never built.
Tattenham Corner used to have a lot more platforms than it now has. In 1993 a train over ran the buffers and demolished much of the old station buildings. The train driver was later found to be drunk, over three times the legal limit and was subsequently jailed. It was after this incident that British Rail introduced a much tougher drink and drugs policy nationwide.
An old OS map I have shows it as being a right of way, linked to the next bridge alone towards Coulsdon. But I agree, it’s definitely a folly now
@@emmo999 Epsom Downs station, like Tattenham Corner Station is a terminus. They are only about 25 mins walk away from each other, probably under a mille and a half apart. Just imagine if they could be linked by a through line how convenient that would be for people travelling in either direction by train between Sutton and Purley or anywhere in between and also using the line for onward journeys from those stations!
Very enjoyable. Thanks for sharing. Richard from Australia.
That kind of explains why you're up in the middle of the night in BST!
I have a truly international audience! Glad the pair of you enjoy the journeys!
Remember smitham station before it got renamed,,used to pass it quite often in the 1990’s
great video many thanks jeff.
No worries, thanks for watching!
A great video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it. Next video will be soon!
The NYC. Subway System is a good watch if you like rail roads.
I've been down the Brighton line and the East Grinstead line (in cab rides), but I've never been down that way. It has the feel of a nice rural branch line, a feeling added to by the number of 30 mph restrictions.
The old station building at Tadworth is now a really good restaurant, would recommend it
It’s not particularly local to me, but if I’m ever in the area I’ll check it out
This line goes past my house between hoppity tunnel and Tadworth, can never work out where it is in the drivers cab 😂
Not knowing where you live, I can’t answer! Google Maps is probably your friend here
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Glad to hear he has recovered
@@emmo999 THANKS HE.CAN DO MOST THING'S NOW LEFT SIDE STILL DISABLED 👍
Really liked this....really liked it
Cheers. Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the ride
First I knew that they had re-named Smitham station!
Guessing you’re not local then! 😂
Great ride
Thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed it
Right past the bottom of my garden (50 years ago).
Wow, I guess things have changed a fair bit in that period (not just the rolling stock)
Absolutely! The area around Coulsdon Town (Smitham) is now unrecognisable. The biggest change would be the removal of Coulsdon North and the subsequent remodelling of the whole line between Windmill Bridge Junction and Stoats Nest (which didn't really affect the Tattenham Corner line itself). I used that line daily for years and the old layout is still imprinted on my brain! I know Coulsdon North was unnecessary but I still have fond memories of it.
See why chipstead is also known as chipstead valley as the line runs through the valley
I see my colleagues were in attendance at Stoats Nest Relay Room that day
This was filmed roughly around the time we did the work at Tattenham Corner, but I can’t remember the exact filming date
It’s good that the original building is still there and not demolished, must be a listed building?
The Tattenham Corner line was deliberately built for the Queen/King to come to the Epsom derby in the 19th century, so the royal train would come down this line, it survived the Beeching cuts in the 1960s cause she would still use this. Unfortunately now she comes in her Bentley 😂
The signalling is not conducive to lots of traffic anymore. Signal sections are pretty long
Used to drive this route many years ago...
It’s a nice break from the London urban sprawl
Lovely. Could you do a Purley to Caterham?
London to Caterham is on the list, hopefully on a 455
I Emigrated to Oz in 1970 ,would love to do that run
As an Epsom boy I always knew this route but have never travelled on it always going by car for years and years. The original intention was to link Tattenham Corner and Epsom Downs in a circular route but the landowners of the racecourse would not allow it. Rather sad.
Ah the 'new' complete journey for that train... Since Southern appears to have decided that going past Purley for TC folk MUST have a change now.
That’s a very recent change. When I filmed this in July, trains were still splitting/joining at Purley as usual. Hence starting halfway down the platform, and you’ll see when I upload the return journey we come up behind another unit at Purley
@@emmo999 It's my route into work, and I have to admit when not in a hurry I have got off the train to watch the coupling and uncoupling as I know it's not that exciting but it's interesting to see what all the pulling and pushing is about
It’s all very simply and automatic nowadays, the days of someone having to connect up all the hoses, etc are behind us. 455s only get split/connected in the depot now
The hoppity tunnel between kingswood and Tadworth is the shortest tunnel on the National rail network at 37 yards
I haven’t been that way for a while, but pretty sure Tanners Hill Tunnel at Lewisham is only 22 yards?
@@emmo999 I’m not sure, I went to a Nicholas Owen thing in Tadworth village hall a couple of years ago and he said it was. I’m not sure what classifies a tunnel
Begs the question ,when is a tunnel not a bridge?
@@TheMisterB2uIn the days of Brirish Railways, on the Western Region a tunnel was defined as being anything over 40 yards long, anything less was a bridge; I'm not sure whether that applied on other Regions though.
Rather like Tunnel Dum-Dum in Switzerland
Terrific acceleration
377s are pretty nippy, it has to be said
11:26 A sign to reduce speed to 45, just before an increase from 50 to 60????????
I suppose the reason for these weird and pointless increases in the speed limit is to provide more reference for braking points and stuff, but that's just a guess on my part.
It's interesting that I can hear the motor in the front cab but the motors aren't in that section of the carriage.
They are on the 377s
Great video emmo, lovely short journey, and great imfomation 👍😀👌
I had to start the video there, as arriving into Purley, this was a middle cab with only a view of the unit attached in front 😅
@@emmo999 I remember the old MK1 suburban stock splitting and joining at Purley. There was a man to do it no automatic then. Big electrical jumper and the two air lines. To uncouple there was a handle attached to a chain. Then they did the brake test on both parts of the train.
Still my local line from Tadworth..A very scenic journey from after Woodmansterne to Tattenham corner A vital link as the local bus service is atrocious..I still remember the two long sloping corrugated roofed walkways from the booking office at street level to the platforms and the gas lighting,,,At present they have reintroduced a through service to London Bridge..Does anyone know of the private line that ran from Kingswood up to Sir Cosmo Bonsors house in Kingswood
He was MP and later a Baronet and had a great deal to do with the sanctioning and building of the line
Wasn’t aware of another line at Kingswood!
The random frame rate drops really make this feel like a simulation.
The GoPro records in 12 minute clips. Obviously I stitch these together. Obviously, what with cutting station stops, they’re not always 12 minutes apart, so presumably this is what you’re noticing. I’m not sure if there’s a work around, it’s a limitation of the GoPro I think
@@emmo999 I noticed a lot of artifacts, I think this can be fixed by upping the bitrate of the recording. In tunnels, you can't really do much about frame drops though since the camera sensor's quality depends on enough light in it.
Good name for a tunnel.....hoppity
You went past my house !
You’re the third one to put something similar. Seems this is a popular line!
@@emmo999 I often used to got to Tattenham Corner as a young boy to visit the signalmen after Coulsdon North closed.
Brilliant! Bet it was a different place then, as the new housing wouldn’t have been built
At Coulsdon Town the fish plates & track circuit wires are painted white, assume something to do with PW renewals?
Usually these are marks where the track has recently been tamped. The NR man supervising the works will mark up and spray up obstructions that should be avoided, such as cables, fishplates, track circuit cables, greasers etc
@@emmo999 Thanks
Am I correct in thinking they are still using the 5-car 377 Electrostars on this route. I am just curious as I hope to be travelling to Tadworth in just over a weeks time. It does sound like a high pitched AC motor as opposed to the low roar of the DC motors.
The first time I used this line, about 10 years ago, they actually ran 2 x 455 units all the way through to Tattenham Corner because the Caterham line was shut for Engineering Works. Due to short platforms, they got all the passengers off the rear unit and onto the front unit at Purley before they locked all the doors on the rear unit.
After I finished what I was doing at Tadworth, I had just missed a train heading back to East Croydon so out of curiosity, I decided to see what was would happen at Tattenham Corner. They made sure everybody was off before they locked the doors to the unit at the Tattenham end before unlocking the doors to the unit facing towards London. At Purley, they then unlocked the other unit.
There are 8x455 that still do that down the Caterham line. But all the Tattenhams are 5 car 377s I think?
Could the Tattenham and Caterham branches benefit from conversion to light rail?
Seriously, Hoppity Tunnel?
That’s its name…! Presumably because the road it goes under is “The Hoppety” although the spelling is slightly different
Finally, I get to ride to Tattenham Corner; I've been wanting this for years !! What happens to the second driver/motorman when the two trains join at Purley ?? Does either the Tattenham Corner driver, or Caterham driver shuttle back and forth south of Purley ??? Is the Tattenham Corner train always at the north end, and the Caterham train at the south end of the platform at Purley ? If so, I assume that the Tattenham Corner driver is the one to shuttle back and forth south of Purley ? Aarre Peltomaa
I am not aware of all diagrams, but I know there’s one that, once he’s hooked up to the back of a Caterham train, he comes off, has a break and takes another to Tattenham and back
@@emmo999 There is a Southern service from London Bridge via Streatham; is that the same one that splits up here in Purley ? Do any of these splitting trains go via Norwood Junction ? Aarre Peltomaa
What time of day and which day of the week was this shot? Everything seems incredibly quiet.
I can’t recall exactly, but it was around 2pm ish I think. Between the peaks some lines are still fairly quiet
Nice video. Got any more coming? Any SWR/Wessex area stuff?
Yes - I’ve just been very busy of late, so not able to edit the footage together. I promise I will, it’s already recorded
@@emmo999 Brilliant. Looking forward to it!
Just curious, what SWR area rides do you have recorded but not posted yet? I'm trying to research my route for Train Sim and having to use cab rides from 2004 and 2015 which is proving very tricky. Really looking forward to you posting some more up soon.
Attractive station building at Kingswood (though that enormous footbridge doesn't help it any)
No indeed. All the stations from Chipstead down are all nice buildings. Obviously Tattenham Corner has a slightly chequered history, so that has a reason for having a modern building
Very nice. Sends me to Google maps to find out where we are!
Gotta love Google Maps for exactly that reason!
The caption at 5 minutes is wrong. The summit is close to Hoppety Tunnel then descends to Tat Cnr
So it’s a 6 mile climb, rather than 7. I’m not going to lose hair about it. The point it’s a long slow climb still remains
Another nice video as usual. I apologise if this has been asked before but the third rail is always on the inside of two tracks in tunnels and at stations, is this for safety reasons or the logistics of cable runs in these areas.
In tunnels, I’d never noticed, but at stations it’s always the furthest side from the platform, just in case someone should fall off. It would also make sense in tunnels, as the safe refuges are within the tunnel side walls
Can you do Caterham next time
The next video will be Tattenham back to Purley, and then I have mammoth journey recorded to upload. I will try and get Caterham done all the way from London
4:28 why is there a signal at the other platforM?
Because it is possible, and indeed regularly used, for trains to turn around at Coulsdon Town and head back towards London
I believe it is only every second train that extends beyond Coulsdon to Tattenham Corner, thus giving a more frequent service from Coulsdon to London
@@emmo999 trains don't terminate at coulsdon town anymore unless there are delays, but even so wouldn't that be used for the other side of the platform? why would a signal facing down be used on the up platform when there are no crossings between coulsdon town and woodmansterne?
@@PGATProductionsThat signal is what’s known as a fixed red. It can’t show any other aspect. Trains could cross over on the pointwork before Coulsdon, and then terminate at the red in the platform. They are then on the right platform ready to head back to London.
Trains turning back can use either platform. If you watch the video going the other way, you’ll see signals at the London end of both platforms for this purpose
@@emmo999 ah okay thanks
just curious, how does the general public, young children, and the like keep off railroad properties and avoid the dangerouus third rail power lines ????
mostly used in the U.S. by Subway systems or elevated rail lines in the large cities carrying 600 Volts.....
UK railways all have fences around them. This obviously does not stop determined trespassers or vandals, but keeps the railway safe from casual wanderers
Parents Lived off of chipstead valley road & woodmansterne was our local station, mum would stand on the drive & watch for us to leave or arrive
Memories like that forever remain!
its a pity the 2lavs and 2hals are not here anymore,they were far more exciting with the growl of the motors and compressors
I’m an EPB man, myself
@@emmo999 hi .yes they were just as good and a lovely design.i seem to remember them running through acton central in the 80s and at Bromley North station doing the shuttle service