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- San Francisco 49ers HC Kyle Shanahan said that the 49ers taking the ball first in overtime was “better” despite losing Super Bowl LVIII. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, Kevin Wildes, and Greg Jennings debate whether or not this was the right decision.
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@johncbrown26 good choice.
To be fair, a big reason the Chiefs players knew about the OT rule was because of past / recent experience in the Pat's and Bills games. The Chiefs lived it in the recent past.The NFL would not change the OT rule until Bills Chiefs playoff match up 13 secs
Coach Shannahan takes the ball and rests his defense. They just came off the field when the Chiefs tied the game. If he elects to kickoff, he had to put his tired defense back on the field against Mahomes and company.
@Az-dc4nu to be fair, these players are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per season. Knowing the rules of the game seems like a pretty low bar to be aware of.
Nick is spot on, the worst mistake was not going for it on 4th down at the end of the 4th quarter. I'm an Eagles fan, we did the Philly special against the Pats/Brady on 4th down... to beat the best you need to take risks
That's all great to say in hindsight. It was 4th and 5 from the 35. If you get it great but if not the narrative would be that's the wrong call. The fact is we had the lead twice and we couldn't get the stop on D to win it. KC got the stops on D when they needed like stuffing CMC on 2nd and 4.
@mattewmock9366 your defense held them to 19 points in regulation, you can't possibly expect more than that... At some point you gotta go for the win instead of settling for 3 vs Mahomes
@@mattewmock9366purdy went 6 drives without getting a 1st down. Thats why yall lose. 49ers defense needed just a field goal from the offense.
@@Whitetooth1030this
The muffed punt honestly saved them and swung the entire game into KC's favor
Yup in a defensive struggle the slightest mistakes matter
@@agag2684 The ball hitting off his foot isn't the mistake, it's the reaction and failure to secure it.
Agreed
@@lumiereeclairthe ball hitting his foot was a mistake. I’ve been on special teams before, u have to be aware of where the ball is no matter who you are.
Nah, the blocked PAT decided the game
The fact that some of the 49ers admitted to not knowing OT rules tells you all you need to know about how large the coaching gap was
To me, that's just another in a long line of excuses! The new rules didn't actually affect them, the old rules still said that you couldn't win with a walk-off field goal, so the new rules never really came into play
@@CJStew06when I heard that is when I knew they would lose lol
Yeah lets just ignore all the other attention to detail items that Shanny is renowned for.
@@johncbrown26Right, they would've taken the ball under the old rules, so it would've played out exactly the same way
Shanahan is 44 years old dude.
Relax..
The young Andy Reid failed on multiple occasions too.
Btw,
Any clowns 🤡 anointing Majomes the greater ever now with only 3 SB wins?
You are a clown, delusional idiots, and outright doesn't know the history of NFL great quarterbacks thru the years..
The only way, I will put Mahomes over TB is ( IF? )...
I want to see how Majomes can win WITHOUT Andy Reid play calling once he retire from coaching.
That is THE ONLY WAY I will put Majomes over TB is Majomes can SHOW ME he can win it without the 2ND greatest offensive headcoach since Bill Walsh.
Andy Reid came from under Bill Walsh tree 🌳 remember that.
Shanahan also blew a 10 point lead to the Rams in the 4th Quarter in 2021 in the NFC Championship Game
I’ll keep that in mind.
And in Super Bowl 54 to the Chiefs, and he was the Falcons' OC in the 28-3 game against the Patriots... He's not good at coaching a team on how to keep a double digit lead and close out a game
@@johncbrown26shanahan is building a doc rivers like legacy bruh lmao 😂
@@halwa9528 he really is! 💯🤣
@halwa95😂😂
Never bet on a Shannahan team to win a SB
a *kyle shanahan team don't be disrespectful to mike 🤣
@@Slipknot5301Mike blew it a couple times too
@@Slipknot5301Exactly. Mike won with the Broncos
they stopped running the ball for no reason in the 3rd quarter
Time to give Billy b a call.
Wildes was right with the Pumkin Alert. If that was his plan in the OT, than he shouldve gone for the TD on his first drive.
Andy Reid is a pumpkin without mahomes. Let’s not forget he was also known as not being able to win the big games until he got bailed out by a generational QB. 2001-04 he loses 3 NFCC games and superbowl and is fired from Philly. 60 years old when he finally won. Kyle’s 44 and is doing it w people who are regarded as “game managers” at qb. His gameplan literally had Reid beat until a muffed punt gifted KC a touchdown and missed XP. I mean they couldn’t even get into the end zone until the end of the game and OT. Cmon now
Everyone is a pumpkin if they don't have a franchise QB. Since the rules changes have made QB the most important position - it is !
@@jonncockrell3606I've said it before Garoppolo, if Kyle can't get a good Oline together his passing scheme would get any QB killed. Idc if every skill position is ALLpro, his system leaves players unblocked and injury bound. That wont fly with a halfass Line.
Pumpkin adjacent is such an underrated line by Kevin Wildes 😂
Wildes is the pumpkin
Run that ball and play for a TD!
What on the 3rd and 4th play in OT?
Pete Carroll's ghost is haunting coaches in the SB. I'm running the ball 2nd & 4 & 3rd & 4. CMC was averaging 3.6 yards/carry. Give him the ball
I WISH!! CMC got stuffed on 3rd down, everytime. So credit to Andy Reid's defense, best 3rd-down defense in the League apparently.
You have the best QB in the league, run the ball. Purdy is already in the HOF. Pass that thing.
@@Josh.WDW. Thanks people forgot that the Chiefs defense wouldn't let them whatever they want on the field, they all say run that ball...like Sneed, McDuffy, Jones and the rest would just sit there and watch them do it
Great defences on both sides but Chris Jones was a beast 🎉
Beast? He literally went unblocked everytime lol
@@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821 The idea that he's not a beast because he was so beastly that he was "unblocked" is some crazy sauce. You really think the 49ers were just not blocking the best DT in football rather than him just being that good?
And mcduffie!
"Theres always a flaw in a plan." Or my favorite quote, "No plan survives contact with the enemy."
“Everyone has a game plan until you punch them in the face.”
Mike Tyson.
Should’ve gone for a td in ot
They needed 4 yrds. That's 4 down territory
Man I needed Coach here to see if he would still hate on Nick!
nick and coach watched the game together 😂 i need to know what happened
He actually did 😂😂😂
Greg and coach are changing for each topic
Tom brady has a top ten defense for 19 seasons. Just stop talking
@@derekhageman8537dude what’re you talking about?? Is your ADD ok?? No one even said anything about that 😂🤣😆
He would still hate on him for sure 😂😂
That chair so extra lol
Coming from a Niners fan POV, this loss lies solely with Kyle. The hubris in his answer to OT says it all. To assume he knew how OT would play out and he would get a 3rd possesaion says it all. He also abandoned the run in the 3rd quarter for 3 straight drives of 3 and out. He also contradicted himself by going for it on 4th down when down in the 4th but then kicks a FG in OT. He allowed time to run off at the end of the 1st half only to take a knee. Mr. Offensive Genius couldn't make adjustments to being blitzed repeatedly on 3rd down leading to numerous unblocked defenders. The Chiefs won but Kyle was outcoached by Spags and Reid.
agreed but your RT is a joke and got owned all night by whoever was lining up from him.
@javinc1 RT has been an issue for years. As great as our skill position players are, our OL is average at best. Without Trent, it's below average. Add to that the fact Kyle never made adjustments to the blitz, and it was disappointing.
They are a lot older too don’t forget Reid in Philly was a doughnut u know Ofer 5 times over
His gameplan literally had Reid beat until they were gifted a muffed punt and XP miss. Greenlaw strapped kelce down to 1 catch until he got injured. He supposed to jump on muffed punts and kick XPs? Andy couldn’t get into the end zone until the end of the game and OT. Kyle was on pace to win until the ball bounced the other way. He’ll be fine. This team will get their ring. Eveyone needs to calm down
@dylscot Kyle made no adjustments. Just because he had KC beat at the start doesn't mean they are going to sit there and take it. Once Spags started blitzing, he never adjusted his "genius" game plan. There were 9 different plays with unblocked defenders, and each of those plays was at a critical moment. To blame a muffed punt and missed XP is cap. The Niners still took the lead after each of those. He got outcoached. On 3rd and 5 at the end of the 4th, he dropped back to pass and never accounted for the blitz that everyone knew was coming. Because it led to an incomplete pass, the clock stopped just after the 2 min warning given KC plenty of time to tie. He could have ran the ball to burn more time or one of their timeouts. He could have gone for it on 4th to seal the game and not give them the ball back. He went for it on 4th down earlier that quarter, so why not again. Same thing happened on his last play OT when he again didn't anticipate the blitz that, even Romo was screaming was coming. That was inside the 10-yard line and left points on the board.
His arrogance about getting a 3rd shot never happened. Kyle has repeatedly shown an inability to adjust mid game. So don't say dumb stuff like he had them beat until something happened. Something always happens, and it's usually due to him not adjusting to begin with and snowballs the more he sticks to his game plan. Again, I'm a Niners fan and I have seen this man's arrogance and lack of accountability repeatedly. Good play caller, but average head coach.
Niners should’ve gone for it on 3rd&4 and on 4th down after that. I said the same thing as Nick. Worst case scenario they don’t get it an Mahomes gets the ball on his own 4 yard line.
I’m surprised no one is talking about the punt that went off that guys foot. I feel like that’s really what flipped this game, obviously Mahomes and the Chiefs still had to do their thing and the Niners has plenty more chances to put the game away but still🤷♂️
It 100% was otherwise Chiefs lose by 7-8 points. Both teams offenses and defenses were evenly matched, it was the Chiefs special teams that got at minimum 8 point swing in their favor, plus the 57 yard field goal.
Actually, listening more about the playoff OT rule, I begin to understand why everyone is criticizing Shannahan's decision to take the ball first. There is no upside to take the ball first with this new rule. You simply CANNOT win the game no matter what you do with the ball first under this new rule, even if you score a TD. If you put it as simple as this, there is no way an informed coach would choose to receive first.
The best reasoning I've heard for Shanahan's decision is that you wouldn't want to put pressure on your defense to get a stop and then if they allow a TD put even more pressure on your offense to answer
@@dominicpancella3012 exactly!! I'm surprised no one is mentioning this. Not even Nick!! They didn't want the ball first because they didn't want the pressure on Purdy. Imagine if Kansas score first lol it's over. It would too much pressure for Purdy to score a TD to just tie the game. I think that's how Shanahan saw it
I will grant that Mahomes and KC wouldn't be the team I would test out the new OT rules, but had SanFran held on either of the 4th downs during KC's OT drive then Shanahan taking the ball first would be seen as a smart move. Hindsight is 20-20, and San Fransisco had held KC for most of 3 quarters, At any time during those 3rd, 4th, and OT drives if San Fransisco had held KC from an answering score they would have won.
After the drama he had to juggle in Philly. Just happy for Andy Reid's success.
The 49ers defense were too gased to start OT.
Exactly. The defense needed the rest, it was the best call that could be made in the circumstances.
Mahomes was 8/8 in OT ran for another 20+ after that Niners D got to rest for almost 10 of game clock (probably 20-30 minutes real time). Don't think that was a good enough reason.
@javinc1 KC had the final Drive and the SF D held them to a FG. They were gassed, yeah I would not have given it right back to Mahomes
Who cares about the defense. You still go on offense regardless. It was a dumb choice to receive the ball. Always start on defense first to see what you have to do, then you have 4 downs to match Mahomes.
@@khaliyl21no 1 says dat every body wants da ball cmon
👀players didn’t know the rules
Did the coaches even understand it??? Appears they did not and used analytics to cover the mistake
The new rules didn't come into play... Old rules still said that you couldn't win on a walk-off field goal
49ers coaching staff was asleep at the wheel if the players didn't understand the OT rules.
@@johncbrown26 the new rules absolutely come into play just by simply knowing that no matter what you do on the first possession, the other team has a chance to match......changes the dynamics and the strategy big time
just because they didn't score a TD to start overtime doesn't mean the rule had no impact
Nick must have been losing his mind last night!!!
Unlikely since it was never a doubt
He was, they posted a short showing him in the final moments of the game
There is the Dude that Chose Miami over the Chiefs at Arrowhead in the opening round. He must feel like some kind of fool. LMAO
Shanahan doesn't trust Purdy enough to let him go down and score at the end of halves. He did the same thing vs Greenbay.
I would trust Purdy honestly
There were 3 secs left. Purdy, or even Brett GDam Favre, is not gonna chuck a 75-yrd TD for the Win vs a Hail-Mary defense
False narrative
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wwe is good too
The 49ers had the win until they decided to give Mahomes 2 mins in the 4th quarter....
Lol
🟥 The confetti in Brou's hair
SF players not knowing OT rules is an embarrassment to their franchise.
Our franchise is still the windiest in terms of playoffs wins I think we’re far from an embarrassment go sit down
@@RakeshSharma-xb4zny’all got the same amount of super bowl wins this century as a cowboys
They're an embarrassment
@@RakeshSharma-xb4zn he didn't say they're an embarassment, OP said them not knowing is an embarassment. However, I am saying they're an embarassment 🤣🤣
@@RakeshSharma-xb4znYeah but you guys haven’t won a Superbowl since 1994 over 30 years ago, LMAO😂
You don't take 3 down the stretch like that against Mahomes
You don't go 3 and out in the 3rd quarter against Mahomes. 49er fan here.
@@alejandrovasquez12043 and out 3 times even!!!
Losing Greenlaw was the biggest thing that helped the chiefs. More than the muffed punt. More than the missed extra point. Losing Greenlaw changed the defense which was dominant. The minute he came out, Reid and Mahomes started picking on his replacements and making things happen.
That suit Jennings wearing is fire
Who is Clark?
@@kaptainkush4351 thanks
The balloons and the throne and red suit the whole show is just amazing
Yes it was the wrong choice. You let mahomes play the whole field with a 4 down playbook.
Why are y’all saying that’s a disadvantage? They can play 4 down territory whenever they want they just choose not to.
@@Geej123 Because if they have the ball first, they're more likely to play conservative/punt in 4th down situations.
@@Geej123 yes. And when you take away that choice you garuntee they will always be going for it. Making that 4th down they converted on their own 30 have no chance of being a punt rather than a decision the chiefs have to make. Makes it simpler
@@jasonandrews1770 and if they would’ve failed everyone would say that was the right choice.
When it was only 10-6 at halftime I knew chiefs were gonna adjust. Credit to cheifs defense they balled out.
The referee during the coin toss explains the overtime rules so I don’t wanna hear it
Fans are just salty because they didn't explain everything in detail for OT, the ref just said, "We're starting a NEW GAME". That means 4 quarters of 15 minutes with some new rules for possession and scoring.
Most TV watchers were confused until Tony Romo mentioned the Chiefs weren't going to automatically lose if the first 15 minutes of OT ran out while they still had their first possession.
Not all the players were there
I want more credit for the niners after nick said it was gonna be a 14+ point blowout and the game almost went to double over time
Pretty sure he said 31-13 Chiefs and it was nothing close to that.
Nick is a Busta u know he ain't gonna say dat
Whatever makes you feel better.😂
He still doesn't wanna admit dat if da Raiders got n KC a b1n done
@@Onetwothreepeanuts I need something to make me feel better
“Pumpkin Alert” 😂😂😂
I don't care what either coach actually says about reasons. Taking the ball first there was not a bad decision. The only way the Niners win is they have to stop Mahomes. Going into OT their defense had just been on the field for an 11 play drive. Resting them was the best chance to stop Patrick, it just didn't work out.
this.
markula_4040
What about fixing the gas leak?!
Then we can talk about the wooden paneling, since it is the best feature….
Shanahan is the new Marty Schottenheimer. The look of glee when the Chiefs saw the niners take the ball in overtime says it all.
Thank gawd for Josh Allen fans for the rule change 😂😂😂😂
All this because of a blocked extra point. Shannahan coming out in the third and pretending Christian didn't exist wasn't the best move either.
That muffed punt was the reason. Gave them 7 points. The CMC fumble also contributed. They were getting at least 3 on that drive and could’ve been the difference.
For real! Like run the ball all for downs if you have the best running back, lol. It’s hyperbole but…you know
cmc had 30 touches how many touches do you want 40????
I think they took the ball because their defence was dead on their feet and needed the break
Yes, Shanahan fell on his sword to protect his D, so I give him props for taking all the hate
Maybe it's a good idea to take the ball first IF you play aggressively, for the touchdown, and don't settle for a field goal. Then you could hypothetically get the ball third, if both teams score touchdowns.
Bad prevent Defense. Timeout to tell Wilks not to have 5 backs in the secondary.
Fumble in the 1st quarter 1st drive, missed PAT, not going for it on 4th and 4 in the 4th, muffed 2nd punt. These are more important mistakes that cost the 49ers the game.
This debate is mind numing and it's EVERYWHERE today
No team will ever receive the ball first under the new rules again. It'll be seen as dumb as wanting to kicking off to the other team under the old rules.
Only thing that cost them the game was the blocked extra point.
Missing the extra point sure didn't help.
Tbh that would’ve been too much pressure on Purdy to HAVE to get a TD in OT
Shanahan is lobbying the NFL to make the coin toss a reviewable play next season.
Hey, the moment may get too big for Shanahan everytime, but that o-line has been an issue all year, and the kicker has been awful, Shanahan wasnt the worst performer or reason they lost. The moment was never too big for the Chiefs and they didnt miss their chances.
I’m a casual NFL fan, I love the NBA and watched it for years. I stayed up and watched the superbowl & googled the overtime rules just in case. How did i, a complete casual, know the rules but they didn’t 😂😂😂
49ers coach is on the hot seat starting next year
I’m not sure they talk about it before the coin flip but the ref told the 49er he wanted the ball after the flip.
I respect nick after this - purdy played well
It's "shore up" not "sure up". Just so you know.
cant blame the coach for the punt and missed extra point. That's what lost the game
Blocked extra point
nah. The 49ers had 2 opportunities during OT to win. Def couldn't pull through.
@@jeffholmes2459missed. He kicked it too low
Two rushes in the entire 3rd quarter cost them the game. Gave Mahomes one maybe two extra possessions to figure everything out because they had three straight drives to start the second half that lasted less than two minutes.
Lets not also ignore the sheer amount of luck that led to the game even going to Overtime.
Yessss keep schrager! But tell him that at FSF we don’t look at the camera lmao
The top 2 rushing teams in the league willing stopped running the ball against a subpar rush defense in back to back weeks….NOTHING suspicious about that folks, keep it moving…..
Tell me your casual.... Actually all 4, stop running the ball. Because when kansas city knows you are running the ball there are anything but sub par... That's chris jones in there son.... They abandoned the run because you have to pass to keep kansascity run defense honest... If they know you're running it, you don't have a chance. All four playoff teens had incredible running games there's a reason they abandoned it And it's not what you're tin foil hat is telling you...😂🧂🤡
That muffed punt is what lost the Niners that game
Being up 10-3 at halftime was a HUGE letdown as 49ers fan. That was the game. I didn't mind taking the ball first, but I was saying on 3rd and 4 that it was 4 down territory no matter what. It changes the Chiefs mentality when they get the ball.
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As a niners fan I don't even know why I'm watching this stuff right now
Bottom line it's the last game of the season. You gotta go all out. And that means going for it on 4th downs and letting your quarterback use his legs anytime the play breaks down.
The muffed punt. Just a MIRACLE for the chiefs
Pops fumble in the red zone just a miracle for the Forty whiners...🧂🤡
@@theafchefstable8284 it was.
I feel that SF thought the defense of KC was gassed, and so was the SF defense. So, in order to not give the KC defense any time to recharge SF chose to receive. That gave the SF defense time to recharge. But it also gave time for the KC offense to plan their game. And that was awesome.
I am here for pumpkin alert 😂😂😂
As a niner fan Kyle Shanahan is ordinary coach in the posteseason especially in SB
and yes of course a GENIUS in the REGULAR SEASON when it doesn´t matter
that 49ers defense was gassed two drives before OT. but you send them back out there anyway.
The blocked extra point was HUGE. Cheifs woulda needed a td instead of the tying fg. Bigger than the coin flip
There were a couple of errors he made-he was outcoached! He CHOKED and D can’t stop Mahome 4th & OT! So many missed opportunities! Played too safe-if you give them an inch-they’ll go for TD!
Nick made a great point about what Kyle did that as a Chiefs fan makes you happy
No way they should have taken second. They missed some details on 4th and 1 Bosa went for the runner instead of holding the edge. The Niners didnt block Jones at the end and had to settle for a field goal.
If the chiefs don’t recover that muffed punt, they lose. Mahomes capitalized, but let’s be honest he got bailed out. Just like Brady against the Seahawks.
What's funny is, no one has mentioned how losing Dre Greenlaw affected the game. Thats why they lost... Kelce held in check 1st half... 2nd half different story, Kelce goes off
Purdy going 6 drives without getting a 1st down cost them the game. The just really needed a field goal out one them drives.
Missed extra point was the difference.
I’m a chiefs fan but was surprised by purdy, he avoided a lot of sacks and extended a few plays that most qbs couldn’t, he got as much as our defence would give him .
I trusted our pass defence but I was worried about the rush D , but like the ravens before them, the 9ers for some reason didn’t run it enough .
I don’t get why they didn’t either, if they were cutting up the chiefs in the air then sure but they weren’t getting much ….
They were able to overcome patrick mahomes's silly interception that's now Over half a dozen turnovers in 4 super bowls- thank god for KC's defenses..
Should of went for it on 4th down in OT. Never let Mahomes have the last say
The best part of this game was the ending
1993 Jerry Stackhouse. Vince Carter. Elton Brand.
55% chance of the team taking the ball first to win the game in this scenario where both teams get to possess. Because the team who gets the ball third gets the advantage.
0:38 but if they went for 2 and didn’t get it now we talking about how they made a mistake and why wouldn’t you trust that defense
Shanahan is a top 3 play caller, but I wouldn’t consider him a top 10 coach.
He never called a Timeout for his defense to rest or reset
Can someone honestly tell me why and how Tony Romo knows every play coming but the coaches paid to make plays don’t?
Wilde's nuggets are awesome
Shannahan needs to stick to being an OC he’s not equipped to be a head coach.
Does anyone else not think is comic justice that the rule was created after a Chiefs win and lead to a Chiefs win. Hilarious.
It is definitely hilarious! To Chiefs fans anyway.
Sounds like they needed Dan Gamble
This was a well played ball game by both teams. The biggest mistake made in the game was the interception thrown by Mahomes.
But the real reason the 49ers lost was that they didn't prepare for the play that beat the Eagles last year.
Am I alone here? That 9ers Defense had 2 opportunities to seal the game. The first opportunity was n the 4th with less than 2 mins, second was n OT. If the D makes one of those stops. 9ers are getting ring # 6 !
It would have been nice for Georgie Boy Kettle to hold the Lombardi trophy
Wildes has been trying to tell us for months. Shanahan teams get tight when the clock strikes midnight.
Can’t believe no one in the niners coaching set up had the lack of detail to discuss the new OT rules and come up with a game plan. Impossible.
28-3 lives forever Kyle