The Story Of The Big Giulias: Alfa Romeo 1750 and 2000 Berlinas
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- #Arese 1968.
The new #AlfaRomeo factory is busy building the Giulias that Italians can't get enough of. To better attack the export markets, which favored larger cars, the company prepared a new model with an old name: the "1750".
The "1750", also known as the #Berlina in some markets, was a new model but not a new car. To save time and money, the "1750" was a close derivative of the Giulia, retaining its running gear and most of the underlying structure...
In 1971 the "1750" became the "2000", remaining in production until 1977.
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TO BE HONEST: I couldn't resist, came back and logged into CZcams especially to write you, that if I would have to choose between a new Mercedes C63AMG and a 2000 Berlina from the 1970s, I would choose the Alfa! Italy Design is unique - NEVER GIVE UP, ITALY!
Berlina 2000...my favorite...
I had a friend who worked at an imported car dealer in Texas. He asked me one day if I would like to take a TR6 to Dallas for a delivery with him. The TR6 was awful. We could not sit in the car together comfortably without leaving our outside arms out the window. The ride was rough and the engine was very kludge. Just absolutely the worst ergonomics in the world.
Luckily, we drove a 2000 Berlina back. Calm, smooth, comfortable yet responsive. Just such a relief. Really was not that much less performance than my 2000 GTV.
I drove a TR6 and found it huge fun but... No, not the best highway cruiser, by a long shot!
The only criticism I have is that they are too short and could benefit with a 30 minute programme, having said that, they are excellent. Bravo!
Thank you! Last week's video is over 8 minutes long, which is a lot for me!
Anyway, I've got a couple of small documentary projects in my mind, and I hope to make at least one before the year is out
I would say that the 1750/2000 look even better propotioned than the Giulia!
Congrats on how well you managed to tell the car story in just 3:26min! Short, concise and straight to the point! Not like those long CZcams videos which go on forever and tell you nothing!
Keep them coming!
Thank you very much! Keep things snappy and concise is something I've always strived for, as I am my own first "viewer". I make the videos as I'd like to watch them, with no "fluff" added to try get over 10 minutes... Over the 10 min of length CZcams lets you put ads into the video as well, but there's no point if people get bored and click away soon! :)
@@Matteo_LicataI i totally agree!
No, sir, the Giulia is unbeatable to my eyes, lower, gritty, sporty.
Anyway the Berlina sisters were gorgeous
Such great history in these little films 👌😷
Io l’ho posseduta la 1750 grande macchina, è ancora nel mio cuore ❤❤❤
I love these little history lessons. Every time I watch one of these videos on a particular model it makes me want one 😂
Happens to me as well, while I make them!
@@Matteo_Licata haha! Buffo
Greatly appreciated. Now I've a chronological history of my 1750 Berlina, which is about a month away from being roadworthy. Many thanks, sir.😉
Fantastic! Glad you like it, as it's been your comment about it, a few weeks ago, that gave me the idea for this video :)
@@Matteo_Licata I feel very blessed that you honoured my notion.
Your narration and concise information are a godsend compared with other YT motor vlogger's
My dad owned a dark blue 2000 Berlina years ago, what a wonderful car that was. When you look at a Berlina particularly the 2000 it does look sort of modern well to me anyway. Thanks for that lovely wee video.
Personally i think that the berlina and the 2600 bertone are THE most beautiful Alfas ever built.
This video is such an enlightening insiders view on the Berlina - who would have taught the Giulia and Berlina shared the same windscreen!
The images used in this video are beautiful. I never knew these cars were offered with an automatic transmission.
Really thanks for bringing back memories with this very interesting video! My father bought the Bordeaux colour Alfa Romeo 1750 probably in 1970 and we all liked very much this car! I remember very well that it was almost a status for owner that was showing off that he was quite successful in business! Of course he was very proud of his car and it never gave any problems. Now with the hindsight it had a boring design but then, when I was young, I thought it was a beautiful car with a cool interior. My cousin liked so much this car that he bought the Alfa Romeo 2000 and kept it for many years but I must say that the 1750/2000 has aged very badly in comparison with other cars, so nowadays it is extremely rare to see one around! Keep posting as I'm looking forward to see new footage!👍👍
Yes, the 1750/2000 was an expensive car in its day, certainly a status symbol. Alfa Romeo from the first Giulietta up to the 70s rode the wave of the Italian economic boom, as its cars were desirable status symbols for the wave of "new money" Italian small entrepreneurs had been able to create. Stay tuned, as I got big plans for future videos... ;)
@@Matteo_Licata wow, I am really looking forward with your new coming videos! 👍👍
I relate to your post very much because my father owned a 1970 Bordeaux 1750 berlina with tan interior for many years in the Dominican Republic. He was also very proud of this car. He became an Alfa fan and later bought a 1972 Giulia 1300 Super, and finally a 1966 Duetto. The Giulia was his daily driver and he preferred the Berlina for going on longer trips. I loved the Berlina as a child. It had this beautiful interior and special scent inside. I drove it during my college years. Fond memories. It's very interesting now to see that the Giulias are preferred over the Berlinas by the collectors.
@@Matteo_Licata by the way I just subscribed to see the very interesting videos that are coming 👍👍👍👍
My uncle drove a maroon 1750 and lived in Arese just across the autostrada from the factory. 👍
Alfa Romeo Berlina 1750 👍 my favourite.
Alfa Romeo invented scale of production before it became cool accountants mantra! 😄😄
Excellent video once more!
Thank you :)
Yes, for a brief moment in time, all Alfa Romeo models were based on the same platform and components, meaning the upper-end models were very profitable indeed. I don't think Alfa itself realized it though, as such economies of scale were never fully exploited again.
@@Matteo_Licataif only had pushed forward with such a plan maybe nowadays we might had an established adversary to 5 series...but let's not forget that 70s was a whole different (& craziest!)era!
@@chrtsi6912 Yes indeed. At the end of the 60s Alfa Romeo had the potential to be built into a BMW equivalent of today, had the right decisions been taken. Unfortunately, things went down a very different path.
@@Matteo_Licata we should consider it as a part of the heritage, i suppose! 😁😁🐍
The berlina was the best of all the 105 series cars. I had a 1969 Giulia Super 1750, a GTV 2000 and a Berlina 2000 over the years.
The Berlina was every bit as quick from A to B as the GTV. it handled much better than the GTV (no understeer) and didn't really feel much heavier.
Also it was of course much more useful and comfortable.
If I could have any of my Alfas back it would be the Berlina.
"It's Milan, 1968" said in a rich Italian accent is probably the coolest start to a CZcams video ever. I really love your videos Matteo, you manage to get so much into 4 minutes or less, they are just brilliant. Keep up the good work and please don't leave Twitter! Best regards - Al and Si from 2 Men In A Motor.
"È Milano, 1968", ha affermato che in un ricco accento italiano è probabilmente l'inizio più bello di un video di CZcams di sempre. Adoro i tuoi video Matteo, riesci a ottenere così tanto in 4 minuti o meno, sono semplicemente geniali. Continuate così e per favore non lasciare Twitter! Cordiali saluti - Al e Si di 2 Men In A Motor.
Thank you for your kind words! I've checked out your channel and I think the name is catchy and the format is promising! Wish you all the best for your channel!
@@Matteo_Licata thank you so much! We would love you to subscribe if you haven't already 👍
Love the videos. Lots of new info to learn from.
Awesome, thank you!
Uncle Jacob, had one, he was well in his eighties, a light grey 1750 like the 1750 in the video , the car was kept in his garage and when it was raining and he had to go somewhere he'd open the wooden garage doors and say 'it's no good weather for the Alfa and he'd call a Taxi TRUE ! In that light grey car my love for Alfa Romeo began, the interior with the two hughe dials (speed & tacho) in front of you and the dials for oil, temperature and benzina slightly turned to the driver, the gear lever, for me and our dull Renault 16 TL this was heaven on earth and it probably explains my deep love for the 159 JTDm I bought many many years later, the three little dials turned towards the driver, the two hughe dials in front of the driver, why don't they understand this at Alfa Romeo no more? The 159 JTDm has been sold, thanks to the criminal road tax you pay for a Diesel here in Holland and thanks to Mr Volkswagen for the Diesel scandal so "Green" politicians had a perfect reason to kill the Diesel , while the JTDm was the best Diesel I ever had !
Wow, what a lovely story. Thank you for sharing this memory with me!
Exactly what I was thinking too when my late bought the same car! Out of curiosity why did your uncle called a taxi when there was bad weather because I don't remember the 1750 had any particular vicious handling when raining or bad weather! It is true that the cars of that period with it's narrow wheels and long wheel bases required careful driving and of course driving more slowly!
You are right. The top for me they were the two sensual tits with big dials of the II series Gt with the classic central small dials looking at you (but the dashboard tits of the 1750 were sexy, too, unluckily changed with the later 2000).
Cars expressly designed for the drivers!
@@paoloviti6156 No, Uncle Jacob loved hat car so much he did not want it to get wet in the rain, he kept it in perfect condition but after he died his cousins sold the car and within 2 years it was gone, ruined from the salt in the winters in Holland.
I am so happy to have found your channel! I have a 1973 gtv 2000 and a 1966 Guilia 1600 Ti. Both are nut and bolt restorations with nos where appropriate. I’m also building a Guilia 1600 super with a 2000 fast road engine and sporty suspension, exhaust and brakes (not sure if upgrading the brakes is necessary, let’s see). Yay Alfa Romeo. Warm wishes from Kuala Lumpur!
Glad you enjoy my videos, and congratulations for your cool classic Alfas!
@@Matteo_Licata I enjoy your videos very much. Excellent content and presentation!
Nice review. I bought an Alfa 2000 Berlina 1973 and today was my first drive after long waiting due to Corona virus. Che gusto!
Fantastic film footage,thank you
Thank you!!!
Nice video! My 1750 has an initial registration of January 1, 1968.
Wow, very early one indeed! Cool! Thank you for watching!
My favourite Alfa that I owned (aside from the Alfetta GT 1800), my Berlina 2000 would accelerate calmly in 5th from 50kmh or so all the way up to the red line, and then cruise along on what felt like about a quarter throttle! It was easy to go well into the red zone in 5th, but I never over revved it (except by accident when running away from much newer performance cars!). 14km per litre consumption at 120, and a very dependable 10 in town, not bad for a 1974 2 litre car.
30 italian bank robbers from the 1970s liked this video .
Oh yes. These cars were very much "appreciated" by criminals back then.
@@Matteo_Licata In the film - IL cittadino si ribella they use a 1750 berlina as a getaway car . They were very fast .
Che meraviglie
2 Liters Berlina was a missile. 191 km/h of maximum speed and accelerated to 0-100 km/h in 8,7 sec.
Legend says that a 2L Giulia (many owners have been upgrading Giulias to 2L engines) is even faster, because of its better aerodynamic coefficient ;)
I think I never would try to drive that fast with an Alfa 2000 Berlina of 50 years old.
@@Matteo_Licata I think Giulia 2000 could be also lighter than Alfa 2000
Thank you for feeding us information on these great machines :).
I believe it is important to remember to glory, know-how and power of the Italian auto industry especially between the sixties and the nineties. Nowadays we see Fiat struggling, Alfa and Lancia becoming too little to survive, which is shocking for me who grew up in the eighties and nineties with great Italian cars. And then I found your channel to learn that earlier Italian cars were even cooler and more successful. What a shame where we are now...
One idea: you could explore the licence contracts of Fiat: all the Ladas, Zastavas, Polski Fiats, Seats and Tofas :) Who could think that a design from the end of the sixties (Fiat 124 and 125) could provide mobility for Eastern Europe and the Middle East for 50 years?
Thank you! Your idea of exploring licence-built Fiats is a cool one. Right now I have to admit I'll have to research that properly, given I don't know too much about all the various Fiats made elsewhere. But it'll happen!
Right. The lines of the 600/750 transferred to Serbia and many other countries then to others for a third life
Just 60mm more wheelbase, thought it was more. Thanks for this interesting video, always a pleasure to watch. Ciao 🙋♂️
In the video I didn't mention that both overhangs were also substantially longer than the Giulia. But yes, the wheelbase changed by only 60mm
@@Matteo_Licata Thanks. How about a "comparison" original Giulia vs. new Giulia? Talking about new Giulia, a video about the Ferrari derived V6 of the Quadrifoglio would be great. Ciao 🙋♂️
@@gearhead9828 You know what? It's a bloody brilliant idea! But I want to do it by shooting "real" cars in presence. Will try to organize it.
@@Matteo_Licata I'd love to come to Italy with my Rosso Alfa Giulia QV, but not possible these days. 😥 Ciao 🙋♂️
Had a 2.0ltr with velocity stack and a stage-6 racing engine, porshe flywheel, pannard rear, konis...was fast
I really liked the 1750. It was neat an understated and oozed class. I think the main problem Alfa had in the UK was their price and a very patchy support network. I seem to recall somebody telling me the cost of a differential back then and my jaw hit the floor.
Patchy dealer network continues to be a problem to this day for Alfa sales outside Italy. Probably now it's even worse.
Love it, thank you!
Glad you like it!
I love the little fibreglass versions that preceded these.
Question: back in 1982 my father both a Alfeta 2.0 diesel with a VM engine can you do a video on de history of the first Diesel engines?
The story of Diesel Alfas is an idea I hadn't thought about, but it's a cool one. It'll happen :)
A chi ci chiama nostalgici rispondiamo: potevate continuare a costruire macchine serie
Very interesting video! A very interesting car what I wopuld like to have since it looks fun to drive while good for long trips but as you said, style was nice but a bit boring.
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Berlina 2000 schönster Alfa ever!👍👍👍🥰🥰🥰
Wonderful video again Matteo, grazie. Però, pensavo che i carburatore fossero Dellorto e no Weber. Non importa ma solo una scusa per dirti Ciao!
In effetti hai anche tu ragione: i carburatori potevano essere Dell'Orto o Weber, ma su quel dettaglio mi sono concesso una piccola semplificazione.
Cool story
Berlina 2000 👍👍👍💋💋💋
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Have anyone suggested you to do the story of Alfa Romeo in Brazil, from FNM to the 2300?
Not yet. But It's a good idea and it's going to happen soon :)
Nice,@@Matteo_Licata!
Here is another video of an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV...made in South Africa.
@sAvc
Lovely engine but mine was thirsty. With a free flow exhaust, was the loudest car I owned.
I am currently restoring my 2000 Berlina. Wondering what colour I should paint it
In a restoration, the color it came from the factory is usually the way to go. But, alternatively, another color from the ones available for the model in period could be an idea. Lets you personalize the car a bit, but keeps it historically correct.
It’s going to have many performance upgrades. I’m leaning towards black right now
Never understood why for AR somehow it was cheaper to maintain the Berlina production for its 2.0 next to the Alfetta, and they could not finance to put the 2.0 into the Alfetta until late, even when there already was the Alfetta GTV 2000
It was not a matter of finance, but of corporate politics. The Alfetta 2.0 was scheduled to launch earlier, but the oil crisis of the winter between 1973 and 74 scuppered all manufacturers’ plans.
That’s why the old 2000 got to stay in production longer than it should have.
Ah clear. Thank you for responding! Love your channel
@@delahayenator My pleasure! I'm glad you enjoy my content, thank you very much for watching and commenting!
We have a dispute about who designed the Berlina. Most websites say Giugiaro but persons on my Twitterfeed are claiming Gandini. Do you know anything certain about this? Or who I could contact? I have an 1750 Berlina and always saying that that it is Giugiaro's. I'd love to know what you think.
I got nothing “certain” about this matter, but Giugiaro himself in a few interviews he gave here in Italy he mentioned an episode related to the design of the 1750 berlina. Given that he left Bertone during 1965, and given the period industry lead-times, I’m inclined to believe Giugiaro did the 1750.
@@Matteo_Licata Thank you. Good info. The wikipage for the 1750/2000 says GG as well but if people are starting to question it, I start to doubt as well.
There is a 1971 Berlina 1750 for sale near me should I go for it??!?!
It depends on its condition and what do you plan to do with it, I'd say
Biem. Carro
Great videos, but please, for the love of God, stop including those popping noises every time an annotation appears! It is incredibly annoying and distracting. Keep up the good work otherwise.
Noted!
Roadster Life I like the pops.
Le più belle berline mai costruite al mondo 😜👍♥️❤️💓❤️♥️🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹