How to Install a Motorized Light Lift | All About Lights | Ask This Old House
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- čas přidán 1. 04. 2017
- Ask This Old House master electrician Scott Caron helps a homeowner install an electric lift to move her light fixture up and down, allowing easy access to the fixture for changing lights and cleaning
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Time: 2-3 hours
Cost: $700
Skill Level: Hard
Tools List for Installing a Motorized Light Lift:
Wire cutters
Jigsaw
Drill/Driver
Screwdriver
Wire nuts
Shopping List:
ALL200 Motorized Light Lift
Steps:
1. Before doing any electrical work, ensure that power is turned off at the circuit breaker. Use an electrical tester to confirm this before proceeding.
2. Remove the existing light fixture by disconnecting the electrical connections between the electrical box and the fixture. Remove the existing electrical box.
3. Place the new magnetic electrical box through the hole in the ceiling.
4. Mount the motorized electric winch to the access space above the ceiling. If the access space has open boards is in an unfinished joist bay, you may have to add structure to mount the winch. Use drill/driver and screws to mount it to structure.
5. If the old fixture did not have a source of constant power, you may need to run a new wire to the lift to supply it. Splice together the constant electrical source to the wire which controls the motor. Use wire nuts to secure the connections.
6. Splice the existing switch control wires to the wires that feed the light fixture.
7. Splice together the supplied low voltage wires from a switch box to the matching wires on the motorized electric winch. Use wire nuts to secure the connections.
8. Fish low voltage wire from the electric winch down to a new low voltage ring near the light fixture. This low voltage ring will be where the lift is controlled.
9. Connect the ground wires to the motorized electric winch using a screwdriver.
10. Place the cover on the motorized electric winch.
11. Use push connection to lock in low voltage wires and attach the key switch to the low voltage ring to the wall using screws and a screwdriver.
12. At this point, you can restore power at the circuit panel to lower the lift.
13. Use the key to lower the electrical box on the winch down to a workable area. Keeping constant downward pressure on the cable, carefully remove the weight.
14. Splice the corresponding electrical connections from the plate to the light fixture. Use wire nuts to secure connections.
15. Use the key switch to raise the light fixture. When the magnetic connection is made, the light will turn on.
Resources:
Scott installed the ALL200 residential light lift system, manufactured by Aladdin Light Lift (www.aladdinlightlift.com/). It’s capable of lifting 200 pounds.
The homeowner selected the Orb Chandelier in Bronze, which was purchased from Ballard Designs (www.ballarddesigns.com ).
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what a dream attic
Andy Lee it is to Scott 😂
It was a dream attic until that big motor got installed in the floor.
It's actually a 18 foot ceiling you peasant
I thought the same thing. Like she was pissed that he assumed she had only a 15' ceiling
She seems very unenthusiastic about getting a brand new chandelier lift.
That's because it's a little slow.
Hey, she's got 2 kids! She's too busy rocking the leather jacket to get excited about overpriced light fixtures.
a little motor change and that thing would be going up and down 200 feet per minute XD
modify it the Photonicinduction way!
Tim the Tool Man Taylor? More power
DrDman14 lol I watch home improvement
I like how you could easily you just reach over and pull it towards you to clean it without that slow expensive lift haha
True, but you would need scaffolding to replace the fixture, and she seems the kind of person that would change that fixture several times just because.
Look, at least she is grateful for what she has
Rich people's problem
Scott Caron, you are the man!
I've never seen that before. Pretty cool system, for sure. However, I think I'll stick to my old-fashioned ladder for the foreseeable future.
Is latter the old-fashioned way of spelling ladder?
haha, no -- just the idiot way.
MTLKEBEK he said ladder
He edited his post haha.
These are VERY common in luxury homes.
6 hours later she’s still lowering the damn thing,,, for 700$ that thing should go a little faster
I looked up the price for the Aladdin Light Lifts ALL300 - 300lbs max - Residential, the MSRP was $1033.
Yeah it should be quite slow for safety but man that is way to slow also the light fixture could easily be pulled over the railing and clean and change the bulbs
Pretty cool. That is what the exactly one our client needs.
300 on weight limit
I see kids hooking on to it, and lifting themselves up
I was quoted $600 in labor just to replace my old ugly chandelier so this would definitely be a smart purchase for me. My ceiling is over 25 feet high. If I have to pay that much for "2 men and scaffolding" it makes sense to get this installed instead, then installing a new light will not be a big deal and I can change bulbs and clean the fixtures easily also!
stop the lies you live in a box
Thank you for this video!
Looks like that large ceiling canopy should cover the paint chips on that brutal ceiling! Nice save!
this is awesome!!!
Yes freaking nice attic!!
The home owner is very pleasant.
If pleasant is a personality like that of ice lol 😂
scott does good work
In Aus we just stick a screw driver in to the roof and put the cables thru that no mounting needed
This is so cool 😎 never seen one of these
VERY nice!
Good job
the lamp was really nice
That is friggin cool...
Motorized chandelier lift($700) vs 16ft step ladder($30). I'd choose the latter. This could be an option for someone who wants to shine the crystals every year though.
Please tell me where you can buy this magical 16' ladder for $30.
@@agentzx3 I’ll sell you one for $28.
@@agentzx3 it's a form of magical spell called renting
Where does the low voltage connection hook up? Does it come from the motor?
Looking at those connections the center connection which I'm presuming is the earth does not seem to be able to make contact as the contractors on the line and neutral do not allow the metal rings to touch and there is no contractor on the earth.
Ottimo!
Awesome invention and awesome video. I need this to chnage my light bulbs. About how much does this cost?
Great video! Why do we need the switches in the Attic? Will the original switch be eliminated? Will the key be the primary means to turn the light on and off now?
The switches in the attic are just to service the light lift. they key only operates the up & down motion of the lift. your existing wall switch/dimmer controls the on/off of the light
- You go ahead lower it down. Pretty cool huh!?
- It's a little slow.
- It's suppose to be slow, they don't want you playing with it so...
...
TWO HOURS LATER
...
- OK a little bit more!
The new light fixtures seems easier to clean with a pole duster.
Can you come to Florida? I wanna install 4 led lights and a new switch or pull from one.
A NJ statewide electrical shop (GMS) told me this work was out of scope for their skill set. A new construction easily accessible attic with ample power sources. Provided area pictures and this video. Your thoughts?
So, I have pretty much have given up all TV except this show since buying my first house.
that lift realy should have been worked inside the floor he coeld have done much better on the attic
How to know if to run the 12 or 14 wires??
The lift kit you can't tap the motor off a lighting circuit in the Attic should be on its own
Can this lift be installed with no attic access?
"Somewhere here I've got to use some Madison straps like all the other projects I do for this old house"
Green wire ! looks yellow to me
It was yellow with a green strip
In the area I service people call an electrician once a year for any lights not working. What that means, besides the fact that they have money to burn, is they send out the new guy who makes a list of what bulbs are needed and then comes back tomorrow with the right ladder and a box full of new bulbs. Since this job is charged by the hour the owner can save money over time with this contraption. You think I am kidding, right? On the "gold coast" you will not see a hedge fund manager changing his own bulbs on a 10,000 sq ft weekend home. That's why they make the big bucks!
Good to see he was using insulated screwdrivers IOI....
If you really needed this and couldn’t use a ladder for some reason you could also install a mini come along or hand winch in the attic to save money
I see the key switch to lower the light fixture down but I don't see the on/off switch
It was a preexisting switch, most likely the one at 5:28
Just fished wire through the 2x4 cross board, I guess maybe old house isn’t backdraft code.
Scott: Let me show you what this whole contraption is.
Marybeth: is it safe?
Scott: Oh, very safe...
They have those (but a heavy duty version because the lights weigh HUNDREDS of pounds) in my church.
That's pretty nifty.
but wheres the sw that controls the light?
First name Over, last name Kill.
Heck yeah, why would anyone motorize that process with a complicated and expensive device like that. Imagine if he put a push connection in the wire that could be safely unplugged at the fixture by anyone, changed the mounting box so that the light fixture could be released/secured easily enough from above, and connected it to a loose cord with a stop or indication of how far to let it drop, so that it could be let down manually from the attic without hitting it onto the floor. Immensely cheaper, no silly switch on the wall, and I can't imagine even neat-freaks like those homeowners cleaning it often enough for the little extra work of going up to the attic to have any real significance.
relax
Right? Especially with LED bulbs rated for 50,000 hours... And a fixture that doesn't have glass or require cleaning. Does this woman have any emotions? LOL
What about the light switch? She has to go to the attic to turn on the light fixture?
I don't get it can someone clarify?
No
You still use the regular switch to turn on the lights. The electrical connections disconnects when the light is lowered. The house we live in now has 2 of these which is great for cleaning, changing bulbs and changing to new light fixture. We changed out to LEDs so hopefully won’t have to deal with bulbs for a while.
I really like that new light. And I don't normally have opinions about lights.
Having problems with mine not going up only going down
They’ve got meds for that
where can i buy this from?
who is the Manufacturer of this lift and where can i purchase this. nice presentation!
aladain is one that I keep seeing they have ones that lift 200lbs but their are a few companies that sell this. I have 26' ceilings I have been looking into this for a year. My fixture is dirty as heck they want 350 bucks to clean it.
Okay where to buy
but what if she wants to have the light off but not lowered like when she goes to bed she isn't just gonna keep it on
Watch the video again.. you'll find your answer at the 3:24 mark.
install quality leds and change the light every 10-15 years with a ladder or install this contraption which will also only be used once every 10 years.
Lights like that are often just used for decorative lighting, not actually putting out useful light. It's possible that there are not any LED bulbs in the style of lighting that they desire and in that particular bulb base type. I have had a few lights similar to that in houses that I've owned over the years and I hated them. They were enough of a pain to change that I usually waited until the very last one of the bulbs burned out before I broke out the ladder. One house had a 17 ft ceiling and the light was hanging down over the stairs. Putting a ladder on stairs is an accident waiting to happen. LED lights were not available for houses back then.
How about the dust? I guess none of you mind having dirty fixtures.
so now what happens when she is dusting the ceiling with the light switch on, but dropped? yes the fixture will be off, but the plate in the ceiling wont
Nick Dvorchak there are no completed circuits, when the fixture is lowered, so nothing will happen.
@@austinlindsay if she touches the hot, she completes the circuit
It doesn’t work like that. The hot will be in the ceiling in the attic covered by the lift cover. The connection will be complete when the plate connects the wires in the center. I have 2 of these which were already in the house when we bought it. They are great.
What’s the point of lowering it if it only turns on with the connection
To clean and or replace it it’s not for height adjustment
I mean the system is not really meant for those lights. It was supposed to be used for those heavy af chandeliers. Like those with bike chains or glasses that weight 300-600lbs. The system can hold up to 1000lbs and it cost for 1000 to 2500 depends on the weight limit
LED's ?
Wamfox Yes it are. That typical yellow inside the bulbs means it are LED's. Though i've dumped half of my LED lighting and got carbon filament bulbs. Much more athmosphere and screw mother nature :D
If there LED's then theoretically they should only have to be replaced once every 10 years? Negating the expense of this?
If you watch the beginning of this, she says it hard to clean and changed the bulb.
Switching to LED's will not fix the problem of having to clean it.
Fair enough, seems expensive tho
Never seen that before but most of attics don't look like that' , I would just gotten 16 ft latter way faster
Being an adult prevents a 200 lbs light falling on your head from causing injuries?
12 year old me when mom gets this
Heheheh my new toy
Wait a minute, no dimmer switch?
How about pay a contractor to install LED bulbs and be done with it?
Wait, it already had an LED bulb in the light.
very great idea you really have very beautiful mind .
He never talks prices of this stuff, but they're usually always so expensive it's not worth doing.
2023 $949 USD. I remembered this video, but it's not worth it.
lol. That new fixture is so long you can just pull it to the side from the balcony with a hook and change the light without lowering it.
Y’all know they sell dusters on poles right
Honestly it would be way easier to grab it from the ledge. It is clearly long enough to grab it and rest it on the rail lol
Where's the switch ? On new light
Hmm. Capable of lifting 200 lbs? I think it would get more use getting my grandmother upstairs
He said 300 lbs that's a couple grandmothers!
I like electric motors
Lmao bro she’s pissed
good luck using those ladders on stairs.
I had one of those.... the line snapped and the fixture killed my Chihuahua !!! My poor baby Lucy
Where are these customers where I sell them on a motorized light lift instead of a .98 cents LED light bulb?
There is a led bulb in the old fixture
She looks like she enjoys missionary and jello molds.
Why is she posing? 1:51
High maintenance
She’s trying to impress him before he gets his equipment out
Both of the two replies are correct.
oh look a crane for kids! it can hold 300pounds you say?
The nice thing about being an Electrician is that 99% of the population has no idea what you're doing or how electric even works. They know, however, that it's dangerous, that it can kill you, and it can burn their house down if not done correctly. All this was demonstrated by that woman.
Same thing being a Computer Technician.
Black to Write and lick all wires before you connect them useing duck tape right? Oh yeah and make sure bracker is ON.
Disclaimer do not do this, if you do this you're an idiot. You cannot sue me, my writing method was complete sarcasm and should be viewed as such and should not be tempted by anyone.
whats electricity?
whats a computer??
The attic seemed to be good accessable. Just tie a long cord and such a steel cable to the light and lower it manually that one time a year. I also like to spend a nonsense of money, but this really is just a waste of money.
But the power connections....
manorin long cord as i said..
Led or fluorescent bulbs would have saved this homeowner a lot money but this is a cool system and the convenience is great but only if you can afford it.
QuadroNVS The lamps in the video are LED. And there is no way such a 400$ machine is worth that one time a year moment.
Richard, let's see you lift a 50 pound light.
QuadroNVS, if you watched the whole show while it was on TV. One of them mentioned about the LED's. But LED's doesn't address the fact that it would need to be dusted.
you charge normal rates for your jobs>
The size of that shepherd's hook on that switch... you could hook your neighbor with that :|
I'm hard on Scott (mostly because he uses his pliers to strip wires) but he did a great job here. Every homeowner in a nicer home who has an expensive chandelier coming down a 2nd or 3rd story ceiling should consider one of these and they will save money in the long run if they every replace it because if an electrician has to rent a lift or set up scaffolding to reach your fixture in the future, it'll cost you money. You can also clean the crystals easily too. Biggest thing to watch out with these is to remind the painters NOT to paint the terminals. They like doing that for some reason.
I came in like a Wrecking Ball! Oops, wrong channel.
She is not happy lol
I see people on these comments talking about how they wouldn't get it they can use their ladder or a duster but I bet you if it was free they were headed in their house and you can't please everybody I know she's not happy when I first seen it when they first aired she wasn't happy about that it moves slow but if it was moving fast she will be complaining because it don't stop quick enough and I had to buy a whole new chandelier people just cry about the little things that don't make sense
That's what ladders are for
There are stairs in the way and I don't know of any ladders that can reach 18 feet safely in her situation.
It's 18 feet to the ceiling, not the fixture
Yes it is. I meant a ladder that you could be on and reach 18 feet. I guess I wrote it weird. Doesn't really change the main issue, which is there is no place to put a ladder. The light fixture seems to be directly over the railing. So the ladder would have to be off to the side which is not very safe.
Someone has to install that fixture too. Sometimes I see 3 story houses with stairways and there is no safe way to reach the fixture without renting a lift from a rental shop or having one of these.
Some people don't like heights.
Guy by a cheap switch operated motor string wire and what ever u want to go up and down.
It’s a little slow.
Even rich people need free help
Anybody that needs this in your life, why are you so unhappy with your life?
All that mother just to get your light down.....
$700 to clean a light? Has she ever heard of a ladder
Do it again in a house with no attic.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most expensive and pointless motor to have in an attic.