They should make a sequel to Rush about the rivalry between Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi and both their tragic ends but nobody who didn't know about them would believe it was true!
Gilles Villeneuve: “ When I was behind Jody, in South Africa in 79, I overtook him only when he went into the pits. When I was in Monza, which was the last possibility for me, my last chance of becoming world champion, I stayed behind Jody without even trying to overtake him. When I was in Monte Carlo, when I was in Monte Carlo, my gearbox failed but, before that happened, Jody was driving slowly because he had the advantage but I never tried to overtake him. Here, instead it was different. When the slow down sign is out, I slow down, making the other drivers slow down too. And then, Didier overtook me and if you look at the lap times for Imola, every time that I’m in front I lap at 37.5 to 37.8 to save petrol and the engine also because I have a 45 second lead over Alboreto. When Pironi is leading, we lap at 35.5”. Obviously, the slow panel and the directives of the scuderia, Pironi had nothing to do with it.
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Gilles villeneuve uomo di valore di lealtà sincerità dimostrato a Monza 1979 tradito da ferrari poi diceva che era come suo figlio dimostrato dopo il gp Imola
Esatto, come si sarebbe comportato se non lo considerava un" figlio"...tutti traditori intorno a lui, gli hanno rubato il titolo 79 e regalato a Jody.....
Now I understand (somewhat) what my neighbor meant when he was talking bombing missions. "It was like going into the night before coming back out in the light and would be dark again and back into the light, it could be as little as 10 seconds between those times".
@@f1legends969 His comment was about the video cutting out every five seconds. I know you had to do it to avoid a copy right strike but most of the channels that have this have at least a 20 second period between face outs. I'm guessing my neighbor who watched this was referring to his air Force days. Flying over the smoke from recent bombing missions.
Gilles was a huge critic of the qualifying system back then. Probably the biggest critic. Cars going flat out to clock a fast qualifying time mingling with cars going slow after doing their qualifying lap - it was very dangerous.
@@hugodrax71 Yes, that was stupid. F1 was a bit too much liberal in some aspects back then even if I prefer in general that "free" gentlemen era, but there were some irrational "traditions" that should have been changed long before
Villeneuve was my favourite driver of all time but I think he massively overreacted to the situation. In retrospect, I think he behaved quite badly. Even at the time I didn’t blame Pironi. No F1 driver is there to finish 2nd.
Gotta agree. Plus Gilles had kids to consider and spectacular as he was I dot think he needed to take a lot of the risks he did. 3 wheeling at zandvoort was downright dangerous for everyone there...
Ne yazik ki birkac yaris sonra kendisi de kaza gecirip sakat kaldi ve esi kendisi oldukten birkac ay sonra dogan ikiz bebeklerine Didier ve Gilles isimlerini verdi...Hatta o oldugunde 12 yasinda olan oglu Jacques ile tanismalari haber olmustu videoyu izlemistim cok ilgincti...
They were going to run out of fuel that's why gilles started to slow. Pironi just stole the victory at the last chance at a overtake. What really bothered gilles I think is when the team did not back him up. Until much later on. They understood the slow sigh when the Renaults went out. Poor Pironi he was never going to out shine gilles. And never did. As for zolder. Mass should never have moved. Gilles saw mass long before mass saw gilles. And was going much faster. Gilles had it worked out the line he was going to make. This accident had nothing to do with pironi.
Mass saw Villeneuve bearing down on him so he moved off the racing line to let him through. Mass did what an experienced driver should of done in that instance. Unfortunately, Villeneuve made the wrong decision in that moment. It is possible that Villeneuve thought he was coming up on Mass's rookie teammate, Raul Boesel, and figured he wasn't using his mirrors and would keep on putzing around on the racing line. Gilles was coming in the pits that lap. Any other driver probably would have bailed out in that situation and live to fight another day. Not Gilles, not his style. I remember Villeneuve as a kid and he was a crazy daredevil, never give up no matter what. Took a lot of risks and trashed a lot cars. 1982 was shaping up to possibly be his year. Ferrari had finally given him a really good chassis, the 126C2, for the first time so it was pretty sad how it all ended. However, should anyone had been surprised that it ended the way it did for Gilles? He wrote quite few checks that he was able to cash but wrote one too many at Zolder that day.
Gilles Newton Then why was Pironi faster in the warm up at Imola, the race at Imola and practice at Zolder? Pironi may not have had Villeneuve’s raw talent but he was fucking quick. I know: I saw him.
+Gilles Newton No, the Ferraris had plenty of fuel at the end. At least, Pironi's car did - for the simple reason the first half of the race was run so conservatively. With several FOCA teams boycotting Imola that year, the Ferrari and Renault drivers made an agreement before the race - hold station for the first half, then race flat out in the second half. As for Pironi "stealing" the win - I've never bought that argument. Pironi was actually leading on the penultimate lap but Gilles overtook him at Tosa. Pironi merely returned the compliment a lap later at the same point as there was no team instruction for Gilles to win. If anyone triggered the dogfight at Imola it was actually Gilles. He took the lead when Arnoux retired but on the following lap he made a mistake at Rivazza, gifting the lead to Pironi. But Gilles refused to accept second, pushed hard and eventually overtook Pironi on lap 48. Lots of people tend to ignore this important fact.
El Indio This is what I have never understood and I’m old enough to remember the whole thing. I was the biggest of Villeneuve fans but I never held any grudge against Pironi, as so many do. When Villeneuve died I simply transferred my allegiance to Pironi. Going into this race, the two drivers had scored one point between them and it was Pironi’s. There were, in effect, no points to protect, no lead to defend and certainly no win by right of passage. No racing driver should ever agree to that. The other thing is that the concept of “team orders” in the sense that most people mean it, is anachronistic. It is a modern concept from the Schumacher era. Such things existed - Andretti and Peterson in 1978 - but were comparatively rare. There was a convention that team mates should avoid behaviour that would lead to damage in those circumstances but a pre race agreement between Villeneuve, Pironi, Arnoux and Prost had pretty much invalidated that convention. Enzo Ferrari, despite ultimately apologising to Villeneuve for the confusion, would not have agreed to a mere procession and certainly not at that part of the season. What racer would? He believed that internal rivalry was good for the drivers, though it had at least as many bad points as good. Ferrari’s Machiavellian meddling and subterfuge cost him whole championships.
@@thethirdman225 Even Harvey Postlethwaite, who designed the Ferrari 126C2 and who was well away from the Ferrari politics at Maranello, said Gilles' view - that he was entitled to win at Imola - had no basis, and Postlethwaite was very fond of the Canadian. There were many mis-truths told about this race and sadly, over the years, they've taken on a life of their own and are now stated as fact. I was depressed to watch a Peter Windsor tribute about Gilles here on youtube, hearing Peter talk about how Gilles was "betrayed" by Pironi - and this is Peter Windsor! Yet it's absolutely clear there was no team order for Gilles to win (it was only the fourth race of the season and Pironi had equal status with Gilles which people seem to overlook) and that Gilles showed as much aggression to win the race as Pironi by attacking his team-mate after that mistake at Rivazza.
Tendentious video. It goes in the direction of the drama that tifosi like. Why don’t you show when Villeneuve went off the track at Rivazza giving Pironi the ultimate opportunity to take the lead? He too had not slowed down and he fought until the end but he lost, he was just a bad loser
@@Mark-zk3gu That isn’t t true. As teammate to Depailler, Pironi was only in his first season of F1. He was at least the equal of Jarier and handily outperformed Lafitte, which is why Ferrari hired him. Suggesting he could have been one of the greats is probably stretching it though. We will never know. Dude.
@@thethirdman225 Handily outperformed Laffite? That's a joke right? Laffite was ahead 34-32 in points, and both drivers suffered 4 mechanical failures. The best you could say is that they were evenly matched, which doesn't reflect well on Pironi!
Gilles won 6 races. At a time F1 was already quite sophisticated. Stirling Moss won 16 times driving in far more dangerous times. Get over the Gilles hype already. If Montoya god forbid was killed in early 2000s I doubt anyone would be canonising him as much. He was a reckless driver. Disregarded his own safety first. Hardly a hero. Also people question why skirts and ground effect were banned. They were banned because certain drivers felt laws of physics don't apply to them any more to grave effect.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Literally one of the most gifted drivers ever. Your opinion is quite disrespectful, you should just keep that garbage to yourself.
Some people are driven by mind, others by heart. That's what changes between an driver and another, and that's why people loves Gilles. (But I understand your point of view).
Villeneuve, I remember him well and fondly. He was fast and exciting and people loved that. He also never gave up and tried to win every lap. That endeared him to fans. His car control was quite amazing, Ronnie Peterson level full throttle opposite lock slides through the corners. Always teetering on the edge. Unfortunately, his best chance in F1 was probably 1982. Ferrari finally had a super good chassis for him. The previous cars were not that great. The 312T4 in 1979 wasn't anything really special. The flat 12 and Michelins gave that car its main advantage. By the end of 1979, the Williams FW07 was the fastest car in F1 and T4 was near obsolete. The 126C2 was Villeneuve's best shot at a title. Wasn't meant to be. I would say anyone who won 6 F1 races in a relatively short career, such as his, was far from being overrated. Pironi won 3 F1 races in the same span as Villeneuve.
@@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401 A. Tomaini, car- engineer of GV, write in his book "Non la guiderò mai" a few words about Gilles: (I try to traslate better than I can...) "There are two kind of (great) driver: champions and phenomenons. The first kind may be continuously upgraded by new generations. The second kind, phenomenons, write their name in the history of motor races: Gilles belongs to this last kind". Regards
Firstname Lastname I saw Pironi drive in the Australian Grand Prix in 1980. This was not a World Championship race and while Alan Jones was there in his Williams and Bruno Giacomelli in his Alfa, the rest of the field was made up of mid and late 1970s Formula 5000 cars. Pironi was driving a car, the like of which he had never driven and on a track he had never seen before but he outshone all the locals. He was a very quick driver.
First off, your moniker suggests that you are a Senna supporter. Which nullifies your disturbed opinion of that reckless driver. Second, Pironi had no business being in F1. Monaco GP 1979, crashed into 3 other cars (Laffite Depailler and Lauda). Get your facts straight.
They should make a sequel to Rush about the rivalry between Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi and both their tragic ends but nobody who didn't know about them would believe it was true!
It was one race.
There's a documentary about it.
@@donnyannessa654nope, it was a friendship
Gilles Villeneuve: “ When I was behind Jody, in South Africa in 79, I overtook him only when he went into the pits. When I was in Monza, which was the last possibility for me, my last chance of becoming world champion, I stayed behind Jody without even trying to overtake him. When I was in Monte Carlo, when I was in Monte Carlo, my gearbox failed but, before that happened, Jody was driving slowly because he had the advantage but I never tried to overtake him. Here, instead it was different. When the slow down sign is out, I slow down, making the other drivers slow down too. And then, Didier overtook me and if you look at the lap times for Imola, every time that I’m in front I lap at 37.5 to 37.8 to save petrol and the engine also because I have a 45 second lead over Alboreto. When Pironi is leading, we lap at 35.5”.
Obviously, the slow panel and the directives of the scuderia, Pironi had nothing to do with it.
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
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So sad. Such a tragic loss of the two of them😭
Impossible to watch. The screen blanking out gave me a headache
Parabéns pelo resgate do vídeo. ...quanto a Gilles. .."morreu" neste grande prêmio. ..uma lenda na F1!!!!!
Gilles villeneuve uomo di valore di lealtà sincerità dimostrato a Monza 1979 tradito da ferrari poi diceva che era come suo figlio dimostrato dopo il gp Imola
Esatto, come si sarebbe comportato se non lo considerava un" figlio"...tutti traditori intorno a lui, gli hanno rubato il titolo 79 e regalato a Jody.....
I love Gilles forevver , but this history is more complicate . Thank you F1 Legend 👍
Just look the eyes at the end of race.....Gilles vive x sempre!!
Now I understand (somewhat) what my neighbor meant when he was talking bombing missions. "It was like going into the night before coming back out in the light and would be dark again and back into the light, it could be as little as 10 seconds between those times".
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@@f1legends969 His comment was about the video cutting out every five seconds. I know you had to do it to avoid a copy right strike but most of the channels that have this have at least a 20 second period between face outs. I'm guessing my neighbor who watched this was referring to his air Force days. Flying over the smoke from recent bombing missions.
@@jamesbraun9842 Yea it's to block copyrights so you can watch it.
If you ever want again to make/edit another documentary, please leave/keep the fade out for the moments where it counts the most.
The previous day Gilles complained about slower cars being in the way, calling out jochen mass,,,
Gilles was a huge critic of the qualifying system back then. Probably the biggest critic. Cars going flat out to clock a fast qualifying time mingling with cars going slow after doing their qualifying lap - it was very dangerous.
@@hugodrax71 Yes, that was stupid. F1 was a bit too much liberal in some aspects back then even if I prefer in general that "free" gentlemen era, but there were some irrational "traditions" that should have been changed long before
Gilles era la f1... L'altro.. Un nome
Villeneuve was my favourite driver of all time but I think he massively overreacted to the situation. In retrospect, I think he behaved quite badly. Even at the time I didn’t blame Pironi. No F1 driver is there to finish 2nd.
Gotta agree. Plus Gilles had kids to consider and spectacular as he was I dot think he needed to take a lot of the risks he did. 3 wheeling at zandvoort was downright dangerous for everyone there...
@@stuartwelsford8909I remember watching that with my stepdad. I think he used the word reckless.
Kids pretending they were there... 😂
@@tiagofernandes8389 I met Pironi. Did you?
No doubt....@@thethirdman225
❤❤❤❤gilles villeneuve
Did you know that he was a Quebec guy and that’s why he speak French because in Quebec we speak French
You should be in France that's where French people live
Never assume a competitor is going to give you a win.
Exactly.
DIDIER PIRONI - would be nice not butchering his name in such awful way !
Hey, what's The mame of that song ?
Witch song??
15:25 it's played several times
Hey its not a song its just a gutair loops but here it is czcams.com/video/-PK_mKCfIDE/video.html
Ne yazik ki birkac yaris sonra kendisi de kaza gecirip sakat kaldi ve esi kendisi oldukten birkac ay sonra dogan ikiz bebeklerine Didier ve Gilles isimlerini verdi...Hatta o oldugunde 12 yasinda olan oglu Jacques ile tanismalari haber olmustu videoyu izlemistim cok ilgincti...
They were going to run out of fuel that's why gilles started to slow. Pironi just stole the victory at the last chance at a overtake. What really bothered gilles I think is when the team did not back him up. Until much later on. They understood the slow sigh when the Renaults went out. Poor Pironi he was never going to out shine gilles. And never did. As for zolder. Mass should never have moved. Gilles saw mass long before mass saw gilles. And was going much faster. Gilles had it worked out the line he was going to make. This accident had nothing to do with pironi.
Mass saw Villeneuve bearing down on him so he moved off the racing line to let him through. Mass did what an experienced driver should of done in that instance. Unfortunately, Villeneuve made the wrong decision in that moment. It is possible that Villeneuve thought he was coming up on Mass's rookie teammate, Raul Boesel, and figured he wasn't using his mirrors and would keep on putzing around on the racing line. Gilles was coming in the pits that lap. Any other driver probably would have bailed out in that situation and live to fight another day. Not Gilles, not his style.
I remember Villeneuve as a kid and he was a crazy daredevil, never give up no matter what. Took a lot of risks and trashed a lot cars. 1982 was shaping up to possibly be his year. Ferrari had finally given him a really good chassis, the 126C2, for the first time so it was pretty sad how it all ended. However, should anyone had been surprised that it ended the way it did for Gilles? He wrote quite few checks that he was able to cash but wrote one too many at Zolder that day.
Gilles Newton Then why was Pironi faster in the warm up at Imola, the race at Imola and practice at Zolder? Pironi may not have had Villeneuve’s raw talent but he was fucking quick. I know: I saw him.
+Gilles Newton No, the Ferraris had plenty of fuel at the end. At least, Pironi's car did - for the simple reason the first half of the race was run so conservatively. With several FOCA teams boycotting Imola that year, the Ferrari and Renault drivers made an agreement before the race - hold station for the first half, then race flat out in the second half. As for Pironi "stealing" the win - I've never bought that argument. Pironi was actually leading on the penultimate lap but Gilles overtook him at Tosa. Pironi merely returned the compliment a lap later at the same point as there was no team instruction for Gilles to win. If anyone triggered the dogfight at Imola it was actually Gilles. He took the lead when Arnoux retired but on the following lap he made a mistake at Rivazza, gifting the lead to Pironi. But Gilles refused to accept second, pushed hard and eventually overtook Pironi on lap 48. Lots of people tend to ignore this important fact.
El Indio This is what I have never understood and I’m old enough to remember the whole thing. I was the biggest of Villeneuve fans but I never held any grudge against Pironi, as so many do. When Villeneuve died I simply transferred my allegiance to Pironi. Going into this race, the two drivers had scored one point between them and it was Pironi’s. There were, in effect, no points to protect, no lead to defend and certainly no win by right of passage. No racing driver should ever agree to that. The other thing is that the concept of “team orders” in the sense that most people mean it, is anachronistic. It is a modern concept from the Schumacher era. Such things existed - Andretti and Peterson in 1978 - but were comparatively rare. There was a convention that team mates should avoid behaviour that would lead to damage in those circumstances but a pre race agreement between Villeneuve, Pironi, Arnoux and Prost had pretty much invalidated that convention. Enzo Ferrari, despite ultimately apologising to Villeneuve for the confusion, would not have agreed to a mere procession and certainly not at that part of the season. What racer would? He believed that internal rivalry was good for the drivers, though it had at least as many bad points as good. Ferrari’s Machiavellian meddling and subterfuge cost him whole championships.
@@thethirdman225 Even Harvey Postlethwaite, who designed the Ferrari 126C2 and who was well away from the Ferrari politics at Maranello, said Gilles' view - that he was entitled to win at Imola - had no basis, and Postlethwaite was very fond of the Canadian. There were many mis-truths told about this race and sadly, over the years, they've taken on a life of their own and are now stated as fact. I was depressed to watch a Peter Windsor tribute about Gilles here on youtube, hearing Peter talk about how Gilles was "betrayed" by Pironi - and this is Peter Windsor! Yet it's absolutely clear there was no team order for Gilles to win (it was only the fourth race of the season and Pironi had equal status with Gilles which people seem to overlook) and that Gilles showed as much aggression to win the race as Pironi by attacking his team-mate after that mistake at Rivazza.
Gilles was outstanding. Pironi was amazingly fast. Simple as that.
Nice job spelling the man's name completely wrong!
The music is so loud impossible to hear what they saying
Karma Got Pironi a few years later
What a spiteful thing to say.
Grande uomo gilles vivrà sempre nei nostri cuori... Il 28 non esiste
Please don't be silly.
Karma did its Job.
Tendentious video. It goes in the direction of the drama that tifosi like. Why don’t you show when Villeneuve went off the track at Rivazza giving Pironi the ultimate opportunity to take the lead? He too had not slowed down and he fought until the end but he lost, he was just a bad loser
Maybe I just missed that part in editing but you get the jest of it he was a bad loser.
DILDER PRIONI LOL
Didier Pironi could have been one of the greatest Formula 1 driver...But instead decided to be a backstabbing politician..
Like most of champions. Prost, Piquet, schumacher, Senna...
You can't blame him for wanting to win. A driver who throws a race just because Gilles Villeneuve was in the other car doesn't belong in Formula 1.
Pironi was outperformed by depailler, jarier, and laffite in the same car. Please dude, calling pironi a great is a big joke
@@Mark-zk3gu That isn’t t true. As teammate to Depailler, Pironi was only in his first season of F1. He was at least the equal of Jarier and handily outperformed Lafitte, which is why Ferrari hired him. Suggesting he could have been one of the greats is probably stretching it though. We will never know.
Dude.
@@thethirdman225 Handily outperformed Laffite? That's a joke right? Laffite was ahead 34-32 in points, and both drivers suffered 4 mechanical failures. The best you could say is that they were evenly matched, which doesn't reflect well on Pironi!
Dilder Prioni was a fast bugger - Gilles just whine here...
Pironi was reckless. There, I corrected for ya
Oh and one other thing smart guy, read up about the 1979 Monaco GP sometime. He tagged 3 different cars in one race. That must be some kind of record.
Pironi was the c*** here. Everyone knows that. Villleneuve went to his death at Zolder still very pissed off.
Gilles won 6 races. At a time F1 was already quite sophisticated. Stirling Moss won 16 times driving in far more dangerous times. Get over the Gilles hype already. If Montoya god forbid was killed in early 2000s I doubt anyone would be canonising him as much. He was a reckless driver. Disregarded his own safety first. Hardly a hero.
Also people question why skirts and ground effect were banned. They were banned because certain drivers felt laws of physics don't apply to them any more to grave effect.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Literally one of the most gifted drivers ever. Your opinion is quite disrespectful, you should just keep that garbage to yourself.
Some people are driven by mind, others by heart. That's what changes between an driver and another, and that's why people loves Gilles. (But I understand your point of view).
Villeneuve, I remember him well and fondly. He was fast and exciting and people loved that. He also never gave up and tried to win every lap. That endeared him to fans. His car control was quite amazing, Ronnie Peterson level full throttle opposite lock slides through the corners. Always teetering on the edge. Unfortunately, his best chance in F1 was probably 1982. Ferrari finally had a super good chassis for him. The previous cars were not that great. The 312T4 in 1979 wasn't anything really special. The flat 12 and Michelins gave that car its main advantage. By the end of 1979, the Williams FW07 was the fastest car in F1 and T4 was near obsolete. The 126C2 was Villeneuve's best shot at a title. Wasn't meant to be.
I would say anyone who won 6 F1 races in a relatively short career, such as his, was far from being overrated. Pironi won 3 F1 races in the same span as Villeneuve.
@@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401 A. Tomaini, car- engineer of GV, write in his book "Non la guiderò mai" a few words about Gilles:
(I try to traslate better than I can...)
"There are two kind of (great) driver: champions and phenomenons. The first kind may be continuously upgraded by new generations. The second kind, phenomenons, write their name in the history of motor races: Gilles belongs to this last kind".
Regards
Firstname Lastname I saw Pironi drive in the Australian Grand Prix in 1980. This was not a World Championship race and while Alan Jones was there in his Williams and Bruno Giacomelli in his Alfa, the rest of the field was made up of mid and late 1970s Formula 5000 cars. Pironi was driving a car, the like of which he had never driven and on a track he had never seen before but he outshone all the locals. He was a very quick driver.
I hate Pironi.
Me too
Get a life.
He didn't belong in F1. Should have state in the WSC.
@@maxmulsanne7054 Looking for another way to hate?
@@thethirdman225
Just spreading the truth brother.
Пирони выиграл,Вильнев не прав
First off, your moniker suggests that you are a Senna supporter. Which nullifies your disturbed opinion of that reckless driver.
Second, Pironi had no business being in F1. Monaco GP 1979, crashed into 3 other cars (Laffite Depailler and Lauda).
Get your facts straight.