"Hackintosh" on RAID 0 SSDs
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Laptop Specs:
Gateway FX P-7801u
Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 @ 2.26 GHZ
4096 MB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
And some raid stuff now
Graphs!
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Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!:
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Speed Maximums of this drive(DS4E1S):
Blu Ray: 6x - 216.00 Mbps / 27.00 MB/s
DVD : 8x - 88.64 Mbps / 11.08 MB/s
CD : 24x- 24.57 Mbps / 2.93 MB/s
So copying from Blu Ray here is faster.
(This took me like 45 mintues to make wtf)
RAID Scores:
xbench disk score: 478.42 |
Max reported read: 800.65 | 402.40 MB/s (Sequential - 256k blocks)
Max reported write:1208.32 | 386.83 MB/s (Random, - 256k blocks)
“This guy has SSD wings.”
-Druaga, 2016
Yes! I love hour long videos. They're nice and relaxing to watch before bed.
Ayy same
You need to have a strip size of 420KB otherwise the installation isn't dank enough
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Syphist Prime or 420.00gb of hard drive space
Knackles Enchilada it never is too dank, it always is dank m8
wait.. why is there a ATI and Nvidia sticker? WHAT MADNESS IS THIS.
ATI sticker? Where?
with the sapphire logo
It's both that's why
AIO inc. but how?
***** probably a sticker but I would like to think it is something interesting
SSD wings, Radical man!
Yeah
Druaga, am I the only one that noticed you didn't use the 'Customize' button during setup? If you opened that menu, you'd be able to bring up the page for choosing which kexts you'd want installed based on your hardware and also If I'm not mistaken bootloader installation should be under it also.
You should /never/ go and install a Hackintosh without using the Customize button first. That's probably why your sound didn't work amongst other things. Also, You were using two SATA III drives hooked up to a SATA II RAID controller. A heavy bottleneck as I'll ever see it.
RAID is a complex beast to work with but in the end of the day you tried. Next time though, be sure to get a bootloader like Clover and do it that way. :)
Three years later.... You can make this happen with even better SSD's for less than $40. At this point, might as well just go all out if you really want to use this old computer. I am so high it took me a half of an hour to type this../
@@MaxUgly nice
@@MaxUgly xD
The point with the stripe size is this:
A Stripe is the smallest unit on a RAID. Think of it as the block size. Every read and write happens one stripe at a time. This means that larger stripe sizes can get very inefficient when you are dealing with lots of small files, like for booting an OS or compiling large programs. For mostly sequential access to large files, like videos or .ISOs, large stripe sizes are better.
Also, you should try to format the drive with the same block size as your stripe size.
For installing an OS, i would propably go rather low, something like 8k. For a data drive i would go with 64k or 128k. And then format the drive accordingly.
I've got a Gateway FX, looks exactly like yours. I found it used for pretty cheap. Running Linux Mint on it, works great!
for your next video you should put an ssd in a parking meter!
btw mush kin ram is terrible.
XD
You just made my day xD haha
I could put on my Washing machine... Maybe someday someone puts it in a vibrator
for your next video, you should install a scsi hdd in a parking meter
"And today we're going to continue the..glossy screen adventures"
*likes video*
Druaga, man, you make the absolute funniest, and most creative tech videos I've ever seen. Keep it up man, your content is golden!
Hey smokers, SSDruaga1 here
xdd that was funny
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Oh man you buy SSD's like I buy cartons of smokes. Kudos.
Yep, I agree with you. I like more when the SSD has the box, and it comes in antistatic bag.
I don't usually comment on videos (and this one is semi old) but I've used that distro and it saddened me that you didn't go into the customize menu. That's how you get it working "properly." You check what features you have or want and uncheck the unnecessary ones. If you try again I'd recommend doing that. Otherwise keep doing what you're doing.
My second Mushkin SSD died the other day. It was the RMA replacement for my first Mushkin SSD. They both failed for the same reason: controller failure; BIOS no longer detects them.
I WANT SSD WINGS!
Lel
What were they smoking to come up with that loool
@@joshuanorris5860 obviously weed
@@BetaMaster2 some dank shit then :P
That apple logo with the slash through it was used on the iPhone from the 2G until the 5 from iOS 1.0 up to iOS 7, when it was changed to the more modern flat icon.
45:40 When you see that bar come down, you *know* what's gonna happen :P
That off-centred trackpad makes me slightly uncomfortable.
Everything around me is tempting me to try Hackintoshing my PC again, damn you SSDruaga!!!!
1920x1200 on a 2008 laptop? Not bad.
"Hey smokers druaga1 here" and I'm like "but druaga1, I don't smoke!?!"
Me nether
I do not smoke because it is dumb
i dont smoke because im in neither (drug legaliser) canada nor (drug ruled) latin america
if you are here you are pro weed whether you smoke or not
I think you never saved hardware raid settings. Check 27:31
I never could get my audio to work on my hackintosh build, got everything else but the audio never would cooperate. I ended up getting a really cheap (but very functional and decent) USB sound device that works at BIOS level 100% without any drivers. It's so rad...!
Hey Druaga! I love your videos, I learned a lot about ssd-s and hard drives, OS setup and such things, you rule man! :D Greetings from Hungary!
The minimum amount of drive space used for small files depends on file system cluster size. It has nothing to do with the raid set at all. The raid controller makes the drives appear as 1 drive with virtual tracks and sectors, that are mapped accross the diffrent drives. How they are mapped depends on the stripe-size, but to the OS, each sector is still 512 bytes and the FS determines the cluster size, which is used for allocation of the drive space.
I think that apple logo was used with snow leopard (I think.) and I'm 90% sure they used it with devices like the iPhone 4 on its stock firmware
Yeah, all iOS versions lower than 6 used it on the boot screen
ios 6 did use it. when jony took over, ios 7 introduced the white and flat apple logo.
***** So does 8 and 9, which are just slower, buggier versions of 7.
Wrong. That logo was NEVER used for Snow Leopard.
You're right about the iPhone part though!
We already established this. You're very late to the party.
If the OSX installer was unable to see the first configured raid, that means that it was a fakeraid which is a software raid. (a cheap version of raid : the controller simply tells the OS "hey if you have the drivers, you can use theses disk as a raid")A true raid controller would hide the disks from the guest OS and only present it the raid as a virtual disk.
Soooo... this is fine. You had the choice between software raid made by the fakeraid controller or a software raid made by OSX.
I was going to sleep, and you upload this... Who cares, I'm sorry for my eyes of tomorrow but this is important.
www.cnet.com/products/gateway-p-7805u-fx-edition/specs/
Interface Serial ATA-150
SATA I (revision 1.x) interface, formally known as SATA 1.5Gb/s, is the first generation SATA interface running at 1.5 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 150MB/s.
I BEEN WAITING 4 A HACKINTOSH VIDEO FROM THIS GUY
If you want to install drivers and a boot loader onto the hdd, consider using multibeast. Only problem is that you have to signup to download.
He had most of the drivers on that dvd.He just forget to "customise" the install with them
Tfw new Drauga video at midnight.
Your timing is impeccable as always :^)
you can install a bootloader from the iatkos disk. right before you push install push options unchecked everything except the chameleon bootloader and it should work without issue! I did this many a time I'm my hackintosh attempts.
For about $25 you can pick up a 2.93GHz T9800 and get another 30-40% uplift in performance. 5-15% of that is from the 6MB of L2 cache. A 3.06GHz T9900 isn't worth the 50% price premium for a measly 66MHz.
I'm blown the hell away that your Hackintosh booted and functioned alright without having to hit "Customize" at the installer and fuck with the Kexts. Although, you might have a better working one if you did. Also, the reason the DVD is fucked up is because even though it detected your video card, hardware acceleration is usually off by default in Hackintosh OSX. You have to download a program to turn it on (I think it's called Quartz, but I can't remember.. I haven't done Hackintosh in YEARS.) But look into that. Also, if you installed a better sound card kext, it would fix the issues you're having with that too. You may even be able to get a fully working hackintosh out of it! Good luck with Wifi, though. You'll probably need a USB dongle unless you're very lucky. I actually bought a different laptop Wifi card so I could have native Wifi with hackintosh.
for raid you plug one of these extremely tiny usb 2.0 sticks (not much bigger than the plug itself, about the size of one of these "logitech unified receiver" thingies) in and leave that plugged in at all times. then in the BIOS select AHCI and the first boot device to be the USB. Then install OSX on a software raid you created via disk util from the CD. For the first boot, use the EFI on the CD. Then boot, set everything up. Then install proper chameleon to the USB from within OS X. I remember there being a fairly well-structured chameleon config wizard UI-thing you could find online. there you would configure it to boot from the raid and set a timer (5seconds is fine) to do so automatically.
You are so lucky you don't have to deal with KEXTs (drivers for the "custom" hardware that vanilla OS X does not have).
That Wall-E DVD satan edition with 64 GB on it. Wtf.
Some of the more advanced copy-protection mechanisms Disney have implemented include intentionally corrupting the disc to prevent DVD-ROM drives from correctly reading them, resulting in whacky scenarios like this.
Most of the modern burning software can bypass that protection.
What time in the video did you see it?
Ok I see it now...Are you stoned? That's a legitimate DVD isn't it? It doesn't say 64gb anywhere...
Jordan Anderson It says 64.36 GB on disk at 36:55. Druaga1 even points at it a few seconds later.
@Druaga1 you need to install the boot loader on the ssd using the hackintosh install disk in the utilities menu bar tab.
Looks like the SSDs are saturating the bandwidth of SATA II. If the RAID was working they should have two times the bandwidth of SATA II, as they are both taking up a SATA II "lane". Something tells me the soft RAID isn't working as it should.
The built-in RAID on that laptop is not RAID at all, it is a firmware on the board that requires a driver for the OS to conduct the RAID functions. So unless you have drivers for it on OSX, it will be ignored and show up as individual drives.
Heh. Love taking the weekend off to make hackintosh boot. Had a pc I set up for Windows yesterday and it just magically booted.
Man, I remember back when you had to use iATKOS if you didn't want to spend a week working out how to formulate your own DSDT to make your motherboard work.
Huh, it's still around. That blows my mind.
Niresh makes Hackintosh a lot easier to install with usually only a little bit of modification of settings.
i run RAID0 ssd for like 3 years now and i like it alot
I bought a Silicon Power 120GB SSD a year and a half ago and within less than 6 months of usage it failed. I was able to recover it from a completely damaged partition table. Now the problem is upon restarting, BIOS has a tendency to not find it and calls for another system reboot. Thankfully I have a whole box full of SSDs and HDDs I replaced it.
so glad I found you, you rock. Loved your iPod that wouldn't vid.
I have a 250 GB SSD I bought off of Newegg on sale for $50. I heard it was prone to failing and stuff a few months after getting it.
I've had it for 5 months and haven't had a problem with it yet :D.
They also said that my Mobo had a 50/50 chance of showing up DOA. Cmos battery still needs to be replaced and sometimes it won't turn of unless I take it out and put it back in but other than that it works.
I think tbh it was just some really unlucky people who wrote those reviews.
I miss my old laptop, it had two graphics cards and two hard drives.
Thats great that Quartz works OOB. Try to install chameleon on your SSD or use an inconspicuous USB stick as a booter.
Not sure if you mentioned this already, but you could forget RAID and use one SSD for OSX and the other for win 7. May just be easier to this.
main reasons i like druaga1 videos:
1. They are fun.
2. They are long.
Wow!! Thats really cool a Hackbook from 2008
Brings back memories when I did my tutorials years ago on iatkos and Ideneb. The frame rate drop is most likely due to of not having the correct drivers installed
just a fyi for next time i think vista and up has the Intel raid drivers built in so it would just detect it right away no drivers needed to install
Huh. Turns out my current laptop could become a 2008 gaming laptop with an eGPU.
40:00 that deduplication feature is a thing in Windows Server editions for a few years now
technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831602(v=ws.11).aspx
ayy u here ;3;
You can just ignore those brackets if you have an SSD.
Just duct tape the drive in place and you are ready to go.They are vibration-proof, remember?
Re: Strip/File size. That's true, that your minimum file size is going to be whatever the Strip size is. But there's another, more concerning number & that's whatever the physical 'Block' size is. Due to the way SSD's write/erase data, if you have a high number of small file sizes, the overriding Block size is what is written/erased & this is what produces wear level on SSD's. There's an interesting channel by "Scott Moulton" who does Forensic data recovery who talks in one of his videos about how SSD's store/manage data on an electrochemical level... I found it very interesting; 'Shmoocon 2008'
The number of cycles on modern (not 2008-2010) ssds is enough for any consumer use and frankly prosumer use. Outside of intel whose firmware puts ssd in read only recovery mode when it hits rated cycle limit you can use a ssd well past it's rated cycle limit.
+Sean Metivier Even if you were to select 4Kb sectors?
That was more where I was going with my comment (or certainly that's what I was thinking, although not specifically expressed)
***** techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
techreport.com/review/24841/introducing-the-ssd-endurance-experiment
They were copying a windows installation (lots of little files) that was 10gb total and they hit Petabyes on the good ones and hundreds of TB on the worst ones.
Druaga have you ever smoked weed?
no, he's never smoked weed it's just a joke on the channel.
@@cheezycool01 imagine
Druaga, The reason why it took forever was because it was creating the driver/kext cache.
I only but Samsung SSDs now because they seem to the most stable and do not tend to fail. I have never had a samsung drive fail. I have had musking, ocz, and kingston drives fail on me.
The only take away is "Oh fuck, here comes Wall-E".
still waiting on the g4 cube video
Maybe it is time to install the latest UBUNTU OS on top of the old OS and it does look a bit like OS X especially if you add the OS X Theme pack, It turns out that the RAID is actually for your data you know your documents,photographs,video and your music files and a separate drive for your OS X and anyway four 5TB western Digital drives would have been the way to go for in RAID I mode and a separate drive for OS X to install onto.
Three layers of nerdgasmic tech:
Hack OS X
RAID
SSD
Oh dios mio.
Great video druaga! if you REALLY wanted it to work i recommend you look for a RAID controller driver/kext. but i think the windows 7 or 10 would be logical as you already have a MBP.
Druaga motivated me to install an ssd with windows millenium on my microwave oven so i can play minesweeper while waiting for my meal.
Try to install 10.11 with clover on the laptop.
>try
You are correct. Trying to install 10.11 on my Desktop even fails miserably (even though I have 10.10 working perfectly)
+GeekBrony My 10.11 system went down this week. SIP problems, stick with 10.10 for as long as you can.
+Michael Ray so happy i stayed on 10.10, only seen problems with 10.11
Trial and error guys. i've got 10.10 to 10.11 working perfectly on my Haswell machine and 10.9 through 10.12 working on my Haswell laptop. All the functions working. Best bet is use the same Clover folder for your installations. Never fails for me.
+Seong Hong Oh, I'm running AMD & Chameleon, haha
It’s true, Wall-E has a huge folder size of 59.9 gigs
Wow druaga always calls stuff as weed, just like me
OS X will definitely read, play, and burn Blu-ray discs. No Macs came with a drive but you could put one in a Mac Pro a few years back. And external drives are a thing.
All RAID is software. It's just a matter of what is processing the software. With a dedicated RAID card there is a processor and some RAM on the card with a special RAID BIOS installed that handles the RAID array. "Software RAID" just uses your system processor and RAM to handle the RAID function, which only takes a tiny amount of processing power. Once upon a time offloading RAID functions to a dedicated card was noticeably different, but that hasn't been the case in a decade or more.
BTW, the built-in RAID in your BIOS? It's still using the CPU and system RAM to do the work, so really it's just "software RAID" anyway. Only difference is the RAID array is presented to the OS as a single volume. If your OS supports software RAID it's actually probably better because it can monitor the individual disks without the extra layer of abstraction.
The only case where you would need to use your BIOS RAID is if you want to install Windows on a RAID array. Windows doesn't do software RAID (unlike Linux and OSX) and therefore needs a single volume to install itself on. You basically have to trick it into installing by using that extra layer of abstraction. Outside of that scenario I would just use software RAID. It's way easier and doesn't really cost much in terms of performance.
Nice it brings back memories of hackintosh :)
can you put a downlode link for the mac ISO in the description(i want to setup my old Toshiba qosmio g20-105 AS an dual Boot Windows 7/OS x system
You're not right ! The Bootlloader is installed with the system !
It looks like the specs of this laptop could run El Capitan. Apparently, things like Unibeast make it very simple now. I will say on a MacBook5,2 (2.13GHz) El Cap is not incredibly smooth. In fact, I've stopped using Firefox because it was too heavy for CZcams.
You should do something with dial-up. Take us back! Take us back dammit!
If this computer has it, put your boot loader (Lilo or Grub should work, it worked on my 10.5 hackintosh years go) on an SD card.
Hey Druaga! If you want an SSD that feels substantial and is packaged very well, look for "Super Talent" SSDs. I've used one of their IDE (Yes, a native IDE SSD) SSDs and it has been great in my old Dell Latitude D610 laptop. Go ahead and blow more money!
1 dislike? WHO. SHOW YOURSELF.
I used to own the same laptop. served me well for 7 years!
Hey druagas, smokers here.
Hahahahah
I want SSD wings....
dude you not can't use full speed on this "SSD" drivers if your laptop not support "SATA3" may be that is your problem with the speed i don't know
hey druaga, mind i ask where you got your iATKOS install? i looked it up and they even seem to have El Capitan ported over, just $12 or $24 if you're impatient
If that was true hardware raid, no OS would ever see the individual drives. That must be one of those "WinRAID" controllers that does offload raid processing to the controller but still requires windows drivers for it recognize the RAID configuration. That's why you had to set it up again in your Hackintosh install, so really you probably could have just left it at AHCI and done the installation and you would have had to setup the software RAID in disk manager again. This is one of the reasons I really hate WinRAID controllers because they're not really hardware RAID but they look like it and it's often marketed that way. I've messed with these on Linux and they're called FakeRAID setups using mdadm and are just a mess, especially when a member fails.
Love the videos, Druaga. I loved L4D2.
Macs have the BD icon because there were external blu ray drives for Mac ps. You have the same watch as me
this man pioneered enginuity
Fun fact, since APFS and how it'll handle copies was brought up;
If you do symbolic linking (Windows: *mklink*; Else: *ln*) then those symbolic links do not take up any additional space, and can be used _as the actual file_. Use your imagination to figure out what stupid shit you can do with that.
Symbolic links are just low level shortcuts. You're thinking of hard links.
omg, I died because of your voice at the beginning of the video
How did you get the blu-ray drive for such an old laptop?
They used some weird ATAPI port at that time, and I can't find even a regular DVD drive for one!
At about 40 minutes in, you're talking about macOS' upcoming deduplication features.
Not trying to say it's better, but I thought I'd just mention that this is already possible in NTFS with Windows Server 2012 and up. It has some limitations, like not working on the host OS's boot/system drive, but it works on data/VM drives, and it works VERY well. We're averaging about 45-50% space savings on our file server. This deduplication also works not on a file-level, but actually parts of files. So if you have a lot of pictures that are very similar for example, it can do an amazing job of keeping space usage low.
More info here: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh769303(v=vs.85).aspx
Still waiting for 100 Layers of SSD Challenge
I'd like to see you internalize usb wifi and replace the mpcie wifi with a sata card to add two more ssds somewhere, or perhaps see a video of an eGPU setup
Awesome!!! IT'S RAIDCEPTION!! A RAID in a RAID!! X-HIBIT WILL RAID YOUR RAID SO YOU CAN RAID WHILE YOU RAID!!
You should use Yosemite zone as it has native Intel raid at the setup.. it did for me anyways it should work because it also finds all the next for your machine automatically and installs a bootloader.
I'm just a teen 14 and it was a pain for me to get the graphics card work
on my Mac book pro if you open just 1 application it poops itself but it's running elcapatan