You'll notice in every "new gold rush" it's only the guy selling the shovels and beans that gets rich. Some corporation takes everything else, and the guy who dug for his fortune leaves as broke as he came.
@@big0ben209 That's just common sense. It's usually very hard to make a profit actually mining. Way easier making a profit selling tools and equipment. Ultimately it's not capitalism, it's intelligence vs dumbness. It's calculations vs emotions. It's business vs gambling.
@@itsover9008 it’s literally capitalism to have one winner and a sea of losers. We cannot all rise together, capitalism only works when a business continues to have growth, which means raising prices and paying employees less. There will always be an uneven distribution of wealth in a capitalist society.
and the opposite, the self-proclaiming virtuous libkunts that have no problem using the products that mining produces. If done right, there is no shame in making a buck at any level of the mining process. Lets talk more about the manipulation/grift/graft at the highest levels of markets or in govt permits that says who may or may not get the bucks.
So, for anyone who wants to know the order of operations a prospector will do research, walk the ground, look in the history books, etc. if they think there might be a deposit there, they stake the claim to give them rights to any _potential_ minerals in that zone. after staking, the prospector must then actually survey the ground and *find* any mineral deposits there, figure out how rich they are per ton, etc. if they find anything, they will then shop around to different mining companies and sell the claim to mechanical mining operations. from there, the mine must further research and explore the deposit. this will mean drilling hindered or thousands of core samples, either from the surface or punching in an adit and drilling a fan pattern. Then their geologists need to look at the samples to asses if the initial prospect results hold up to deeper scrutiny and figure out if the ore can be extracted profitably. it does no good extracting $1m of ore for $1.5m. Then they need to actually permit and develop a plan to make a viable mine. If you didn't know, a mine has to pay the cost of reclamation into escrow up front before any work has actually been done, so if anything happens, we the people don't foot the bill.
This is also a process that is quite unique to the US. In a lot of other countries a large and specialised exploration company will do their due diligence, look at existing geological surveys, speak to experts in the field, do preliminary studies with geologists, hydrologists, etc. then if convinced, will bid for mineral exploration rights which are hugely expensive. That's when the real work begins with soil sampling, drilling surveys, ground penetrating radar etc., all to locate a deposit that can be exploited and the rights sold, given a whole host of conditions, government/community/regulatory consultation, additional purchase of land and access rights, acceptance of remediation plans, dozens of approvals and so on. There's definitely something more archaic about mining and prospecting in the US. Not the engineering and tech side, more how claims are staked and rights + access purchased.
So what's to stop me from pulling up those stakes, planting my own and just writing an earlier date on the paper I put in there? And I mean the hypothetical "me", I wouldn't actually do that but I'm sure someone would.
As pointed out in this video, electric cars aren't "green". They aren't sustainable. Public transit and train lines are the obvious and cost effective solutions for most of transportation.
@@ehrgeiz5649 "All" that is a key word. Because on East of the Mississippi, a good portion of the West coast, and central TX, we do live in high enough population densities. You can see it plain as day (snicker) when looking at the U.S. from space at night. That would be where the vast majority of of people live and where public transportation would be most effective. Anyone saying densities aren't enough in those areas is divorced from reality.
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I don't get this. Why wouldn't someone hire a group of interns to just go out and stake ALL the land in a week flat? And if there is no central authority of DB of the staked claims, what is to prevent someone from ripping out other stakes they find? Or maybe that is the point: there needs to be more regulation?
They research the landscape and when they feel they have a winner they ask the federal government for a permit to mine the land then EPA and BLM wanna make sure you know what you're doing and they themselves issue permits as well. It's costly so to just flat out purchase acres and acres of unnecessary land is not worth it.
in Canada there is a whole industry to deal with prospecting , plot claiming, selling claims , licensing for prospectors. etc etc Might be very similar in the United States and its generally a square of stakes at the maximum size that license/claim covers. not just a single unmarked stake.
The stake holders today have no intent on mining anything themselves. Their hope is a mining company comes in, and they get to sell their stakes. Or just selling 'investment' in their stakes, that never pay out. It is a complete joke of a system and why there is little interest world wide to deal with the mess here. So the U.S. gets left out. Of course that could be a good thing as other areas deplete their reserves, the untouched U.S. stake becomes more valuable.
I'm not against going green but there is a downside to this so called "new gold rush" and that's because this "new gold rush" is also targeting sacred Native American land which mining companies would love to destroy to make a quick buck for example there's a lithium deposit under the black hills which has a sacred spiritual role in the tribal religions of several Native American tribes located in the area and desecrating it would be a great offense to those tribes. Same thing with oil companies as well, like I said I'm not against going green but i want it to be done in a way that doesn't result in the complete destruction of sacred Native American land or otherwise the country would end repeating the actions of the past. In which horrible atrocities where committed against Native Americans to make way for gold mining.
I mean lithium sucks for a lot of reason, as it also needs a lot of water. Kind of problematic in the desert. That's why everyone tries to find alternative battery chemistries. I don't think lithium mining is a very durable business.
No one goes out of their way to destroy Native American land. Dealing with NA land is a headache. I have a good amount of NA in me and if the land isn't being used for something that benefits us all? Then put it to use... The spirits don't have to worry about living do they. They'll be fine. There is a lot more dessert out there and they can move in ways we can't. I'm sorry but pointing at a place and saying "This is spiritual" or "this is historical" isn't enough for any culture to stop development. We cannot live forever in the past . How to judge what is incredibly important or what isn't is beyond me.
Always focused on the unimportant parts of the actual issue. Typical American. You should be concerned because it is in no way sustainable this lie about going green. Only the gullible and naive still believe it. Unfortunately the gullible and naive tend to make up the bulk of America. It's why we were so easily turned into sheep and cows during covid.
Lithium should not be considered green energy. Lithium mining and extraction is highly pollutive, destructive to landscape and habitats, very energy intensive, and requires a lot of water usage. It requires about 500k gallons of water to extract 1 ton of lithium. It's just another finite resource that causes a lot of harm to extract, but it has a good marketing campaign lumping it in with other technologies that are not so destructive.
@@cybercraft5393 Sodium ion batteries are the simple answer. However if we actually want to keep the Earth livable we should be focussing our efforts on mixed use zoning, dense infrastructure by removing car parks and the installation of passenger rail and bike lanes. None of which require lithium mining and all of which would have a much greater impact than swapping car engines with electric motors.
My city has been installing bike lanes everywhere and the NIMBY pushback is astonishing. The slightest changes make them go nuts. We’re also adding ADUs (granny flats) to make housing denser and again, the pushback is deafening.
I definitely prefer the US oldschool method, instead of a huge corporation just saying, "aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're taking half of this" and with the click of a button it's theirs suddenly.
I moved to Tonopah a couple years ago. It's amazing how many people and companies past through this town with obvious dollars backing them looking for lithium. Some come and go quick. Others are more serious.
@@jedibane Empires go to die in Afghan. Why should the U.S invade a foreign country for their minerals? Just an excuse for the industrial military complex to make more contracts.
Lithium will soon be obsolete. It simply does not pack the energy density needed to fuel the green energy revolution. It's like investing in VHS tape technology when Laser CD's are already around the corner.
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Millions of tonnes of battery's available for recycling..that Tesla employee who made a start up is recycling 1% or less a day and gets 300+ tonne delivered daily .. I've got batteries coming out the wazzoo as I've been purchasing recycled batteries and breaking them down and testing them and refurbishing battery's and making power packs
Imagine not understanding that the federal government can take ANY piece of land they want.... there's no such thing as "federal government land"..... because of imminent domain, they own everything.
Excellent video! The only aspect I'm missing is how foriegn mineral claims are made compared to the US. You do a great job of explaining the US system, and it does seem antiquated, but without a comparison I don't understand the degree to which it's outdated.
@WestOfEarth Almost everywhere else on Earth a government owns all mineral rights, so there are no "claims". She wants to acquire mineral rights by bribing someone instead of competing against other market actors.
@@nospam3001 They US gov owns all mineral rights and sells them out too. It just gets its "bribes" back indirectly in the form of fees and taxes. Federal land is hardly "free for the (s)taking. Other countries also require competitive bidding. You aren't special.
@@obsidianjane4413 Wrong. The US government only owns mineral rights to Federal Land. Most mining, forestry, farming, ranching, oil production, etc. is done on private land. The only area where US resources are exclusively managed for political instead of economic reasons (like the rest of the world) is off shore. Taxation has nothing to do with who has the right to exploit the resource.
@@obsidianjane4413 You are just deflecting now. Anyone who gains income, from whatever source, pays taxes, and there are consequences if they don't. That is not a means of regulating who can open a mine.
*I believe the BIG challenge is to develop new "clean" ways to extract Lithium without trashing the rest of the environment in the process.* At some point, the American system will be dragged, kicking and screaming into modern times. America needs knowledgeable educated people to make laws to safely govern modern activities like mining and internet business.
The big challenge is actually to get laypeople like you to quit believing in fairytales and magical thinking. There is no way to extract minerals without either disturbing the earth or damaging the water supply. In situ mining is as close to "low impact" as you're going to get, but it is still very destructive to the water supply. Go read a geology textbook and inform yourself on the issues instead of hoping for the environmental equivalent of a free lunch.
The problem is, there's not enough Lithium nor Cobalt to go round to produce enough cells (over 7,000 Lithium/Cobalt cells per EV) to replace even 1% of Gasoline/Diesel powered vehicles. Some of the largest Lithium mines in Australia and China have already been depleted and have shut down. It takes 500,000cu yds of displaced soil to produce enough lithium for 1 EV, not counting the millions of gallons of fresh water used and contaminated. Plus, there will never be enough power plants to handle the load on the power-grids nor enough facilities to handle the excess coal-ash and nuclear waste that EV's will create. Battery-cell storage is and will ALWAYS be, the most INEFFICIENT form of portable power. EV's with the latest Cell technology only get a pathetic 900 power/efficiency score. Gasoline/Diesel scores a whopping 4500+. Don't even mention these so-called "new" Sodium cells nor believe their HYPE. First of all they weigh much more than the current Lithium cells, produce 25% less power, perform MUCH WORSE in cold conditions than Lithium cells and are especially more VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS, than even the highly volatile Lithium cells. Also, with knowing that the Electronics Industry makes loads more money per ton of Lithium, that's used to power our wireless devices (along with how many Lithium/Cobalt cells it takes to power just 1 EV), I estimate that in 5yrs with the depletion of Lithium/Cobalt deposits, there will be a WORLDWIDE BAN on using Lithium in any EV larger than an E-Bike.
All I know is I'm more interested in Toyota's future in hydrogen fueled cars than EV's. EV's are (in my opinion) an absolute meme and just a fun alternative. If EV's are ever actually allowed or forced unto people to become the standard, we're going to see so much pollution and chaos from spent batteries from the lack of recycling. Hydrogen is quite literally the only answer for mass adoption of an alternative from of energy for vehicular transportation, unless we stay with the modern combustible engine.
Hydrogen has many problems. Embrittlement, small molecules, costs more to isolate it than it’s worth. And hydrogen capable tanks are heavy. Scaling up is tough because the weight becomes prohibitive. It sounds cool at first, but doesn’t work in reality.
Agree, if Toyota is ditching EVs they are ahead of the curve. Lithium is dirty and outdated already. American car MFGs are a joke and always years behind the trends so if they are pushing lithium you know it's a bust. Cleaner and more renewable sodium ion cells will look to replace them soon in my opinion if something better isn't developed first. Everyone who jumped onboard with the lithium energy red herring is going to look foolish soon with their combustible paperweights and all the pollution and damage they caused because they had to have them.
Haha the well-to-wheel efficiency of Hydrogen Cars is an absolute meme. Like, why use the electricity you generated directly by charging a battery, driving a motor with 90% of the energy converted to momentum when you can fucking electrolize water with it, waste half of the energy creating Oxygen, then use energy to compress and cool the hydrogen to cryogenic temperatures, use energy to pump or transport the hydrogen miles on not yet existing infrastructure, then run a 70% efficient, expensive af fuel cell to drive the motor, while the 1/10th as dense as gasoline -250°C hydrogen in your cryogenic tank slowly boils off. Thing is battery tech can be improved upon. Hydrogen is as energy dense and difficult to handle as will ever be.
A better battery is coming this decade that does not use Lithium. Cash in and cash out while you can. Many next gen batteries are cleaner with common materials that have been tested, but none have reached scalability and production yet. When it happens, bigger + cheaper batteries are going to change transportation and mobile technology in big ways.
I much prefer the sodium battery. But because there is such an industry around it it might drag us all into its own market Ben if there is a better alternative. Thanks for the update.
You do know that sodium ion batteries are still being developed, and their proposed energy density is lower than that of lithium, right? They could still play a big role, and hopefully they do, but lithium will likely continue to be a big player for years to come at least. Particularly for scenarios where energy density matters the most, such as electric semi-trucks, small passenger planes, and luxury cars. The last 2 are less important, but obviously there's a big market for them.
I fail to see how an individual could possibly hope to 'get rich' by finding a new lithium sources. There are conglomerates and very large companies who are busy digging up lithium ore, and exporting it to China for refinement. These companies should, in my opinion, be exploring the option of domestic commercial refinement. It would be difficult given the huge difference in labour costs, but an analysis should prove whether or not this would be viable in the future, especially given the tensions between China and everyone else. These organisations, mining companies, also have the money, resources, equipment, to do geological surveys on a scale that an individual could never hope to match. Some *may scrape a meagre living by doing it the hard way, or through back-door channels, but I would envisage those few and far between, if they existed at all, and any gains would not make the endeavour payable. The best way to cash in on the lithium 'rush' is to go over old gold mining maps, and try to locate places where the old miners in the 80's abandoned an area because another area much richer had been found elsewhere, and not far away. :: Reading a report from a mining inspector who went all over every gold-field in Victoria, Australia, in the late 1800's, briefly touched upon one of these places. I will paraphrase it, as I cannot be bothered to get the book and type it verbatim: -- About 5 miles from [town], at Site A, the miners were digging down ~15' to recover the wash-dirt. 20 'buckets' (undefined amount) of such pay dirt then had to be carted to water, for a price, for gold recovery, and those 20 buckets yielded ~5 Ozs on average. A few miles away, another area, Site B, was discovered where similar, or better, pay dirt was found much closer to the surface, and as such the miners from Site A abandoned their digging, simply packing up and moved to Site B. The cost of carting the pay dirt from Site A proved to negate the ~5 Ozs they were getting per 20 buckets. :: Many years ago when I used to visit old gold fields, mostly looking for discarded artefacts, I also did my best to locate Site A, based upon maps of that time compared to modern maps. I believe I did find that place, which spans both local council and private land, and as such would take resources I simply do not have to try and exploit this area, even with modern machinery making digging at that depth child's play. But others continue to find sizable nuggets, both within Victoria's Golden Triangle, and in Western Australia.
It's simple, they find the lithium source and claim it, then sell the claim to said conglomerate or lease it. Same as the oil fields. If you find that your land is thick with oil and get a company to pump it for you you might not become John Paul Getty Rich but you can make 10k per month or more and that's nothing to sneeze at.
That is like when a foreign country visits your country plants their country's flag in the ground and tells you, "You are all American citizens now in the name of their country or King.
its weird but its very american like the guy said. its entrepeneureal spirit. however like the blonde lady said there needs to be federal level representation for mining workers also. its good money for both
This sounds like big companies trying to stop the little man making money to me. Think about it, under this law your grandad could go out and strike big. I'm not American, but that sounds like an American dream to me. They should keep this law
It will be a tragedy to see this beautiful country wrecked for mining in the name of green energy which will destroy the very type of wilderness we should be protecting.
Yea they did the whole online claims thing up north here. Huge swaths of land all claimed up, block after block around my area. I can't even load all the claim blocks in some areas before my phone freezes up. There could be someone in China click click click. Wish we still had physical staking here. Maybe it's old fashioned but it prevents bs like that from happening.
@@feelinghealingfrequences7179Nice try. I have a snapdragon 870 and 13G of ram so no, no I do not need a new phone. It should load everything just fine doesn't even max out the ram and the processor, while not being the fastest, is no slouch either. It's more like it's maxing out the capabilities of google earth trying to load all these foreigners claims blocks. Click n claim is a teeeeeerrible system ask any small time prospector up north. There's not much left to claim! When you had to get a guy go out in the bush and put up a claim post you didn't have the problems we have today. Great for big companies and corporations that I'm sure, especially chinese owned ones. So yea bring back the claim post and don't change that in the states or you'll suffer the same fate.
Lithium is mostly just for batteries. For sustainable energy batteries good to have, but not really big part of the solution. Electric cars are just not going to fix anything. What you need is robust and adaptable energy grid that can handle various energy sources and distribute it accordingly. Ofc main focus needs to be zero carbon energy sources. And you need to electrify stuff like heating and stoves for example. Then invest more in trains, metro and other stuff. Lithium is important, but it's actually quite small part of fixing our climate and energy issues.
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I e been saying this about Lithium mining for a long time. It’s just as destructive for the environment as oil and gas. I get in the long term it’s better for the environment, but barely. Not to mention your giant gas and oil corporations are getting into lithium business as well.
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The fact that the mining of lithium is just as bad as the usage of gasoline in vehicles for the environment has me skeptical. This is a fact that seems to go overlooked by many.
I love how people just repeat “isn’t that the American way” after people react- um, no… the American way is actually the ability to change and grow with the times, not remain stuck on stupid.
And yet all these overseas fetishists can't coherently explain why it's a problem. All those fancy European beverages won't make them be able to make a basic point
Its delusional to think the government won't change the law to benefit some billion dollar company who funds them politically thus making staking completely irrelevant. The only reason they haven't is because they have no mining authority and people are unsure if mining this area is even worthwhile but if they realise it is worthwhile the law will change.
Dude's asking those same profound questions I asked as a teen when I first started smoking weed lmao "What if we just, like, print a gazillion dollars and pass it out so then everyone on earth would be super rich??"
I wanna know more about the claiming issue. Like, they'll have to pay a certain sum to the Federal Government for their claim, right? And what if someone just comes around and removes the post to put his own, or moves their post like half a mile or something?
They're based on GPS locations now once you file the claim. Easy to tell if someone moves it or jumps the claim which is a serious crime. Same as with other mine and mineral claims.
when the geologist said there's a little more too it, he was right. that claim number he said that is assigned to the lot when its claimed also needs to have geological maps with it as well as the regular government ID credentials a person needs. there fore if someone does just come along and pull the stack out, you have documentation of the area registered with the govt under your name as the claim.
It is never owned by the individual... still federal land that BLM maintains and administers. The claim is simply granting access for mineral removal and you must pay a yearly fee. They rarely grant patented claims anymore (government wised up) so you can't live on the land either or build a dwelling. Public still has right of way access. You really are just renting a piece of dirt hoping to sell the claim in the future much like a land investment. Most of these grubstakers have no intention of actually mining...
You are actively on the internet while making this incorrect assumption.... take 5 goddamn minutes out of your day to use the magical device you typed this on and do a little research.
Cannot stake minerals in NY. Specifically gold. Even if you own the land and rights, it is stated that ANY gold found in NY State is the property of the state. This is complete Bulls**t in NY.
The issues have nothing to do with with "old" laws. It's as simple as someone prospecting areas they have a legal right to be on and "Staking out" a claim. Those stakes are nothing more than indicators of boundaries of the claim, so others do not "claim jump". The claim in fact does have to be turned into the government for recording and the land must be improved or maintained in order to keep your claim. It makes no sense to keep paying fees for a claim you will never use. I don't know where the idea came from there are no government agencies that deal with mining, where do you think you turn your claim into? As you can tell in the video, one person seemed completely angry over any discussions of mining and that was Patrick Donnelly, who is a member of a radical environmental group that no doubt will do everything in their power to prevent mining in the area. We don't know if there are enough lithium deposits in the area to make mining possible, but let's say there are. This is not the 1870's, NOBODY is going to be able to mine one grain of sand without endless lawsuits (see angry guy above) and government regulations being followed. There is a good chance that NONE of these claims are worth the time and money it will take to get past the lawsuits. The largest Lithium mine, if it ever actually starts is the Thacker Pass Mine in Northern Nevada, where serious prospecting was done in 2007. 16 years later it STILL is not running, as they have been battling radical leftist in court. The courts have just granted the mine another legal victor but you can expect another appeal.
I'm a big environmentalist and usually against electric cars and lithium mining. Anything made from crude oil can be made from algae oil without the environmental impacts. Algae oil is the only green energy that will completely replace crude oil
As someone who studies geology and economic geology, and is very familiar with the earlier Cenozoic and Quaternary geology of the Western Interior, I was interested to see that former oil exec looking at claims in relation to maps of the vast former (Pleistocene) pluvial lakes of the Great Basin. Follow deposits of the Mid-Tertiary Ignimbrite Flareup (and later silicic volcanism of the Great Basin, High Desert, and SRP) and ancient Pleistocene pluvial watersheds, and you find the lithium…
When you drive out there just one time, your tracks last for decades compacting the ground. Time almost stands still in the desert. Every change lasts near to forever. We will never get any of it back. Never.
so you can just drive around federal land claiming everything that isn't already claimed, then sit back waiting for a payday if someone finds something valuable on it? sounds f'ed up!
I mean what the girl in the green dress said about things being ran by outdated practices is far too common in America for many things, its not 1787 anymore and many things that need to be updated never are. You could go stake as much as you want, but once its proven the area is profitable some crooked politicians will use a loophole made in 1896 or whatever fits narrative X to screw people and fill their back pockets
remember when people wanted to regulate the internet using 19th-century laws meant for railroads? LOL. And all the late night talk show hosts pushed it ad nauseum?
You hit the nail on the head. What they do is designate it with some kind of federal protection then when everyone has forgotten years later they go in and start quietly exploiting the areas they've locked the public out of. Almost all of Nevada is public land ripe for the taking and the feds know it... they just designated the entire bottom 1/4 of the state a national monument!
What stop someone's from claiming most favorable lots and just sit on it until another party is interested to buy & invest ? It's literally free real estate
That is correct and can be done. But you need proof of purity and even deposit size and depth before ANY mining company will even talk to you on the phone.
Sometimes money is just not worth the destruction of our land. Let these countries make their money for 50 years and watch the repercussions they will face.
Yeah these are the “growing pains” of switching to EV instead of gasoline. As for the salton sea, that smelly ditch is already and environmental disaster, can’t get much worse.
All the time, money is just not worth the destruction our children will have to face for our short sightedness. If only we realized that it’s community and the Earth that we must cherish, not money.
You sound like you know very little about mining. It’s truly not as bad as you think. But you’ll never believe me. I recommend before judging go boot boots on ground at a modern mining site.
?? What is stopping anyone from driving around and just ripping out all of those red painted posts and throwing them in the back of their truck, (to be burnt or buried later) or putting those stakes in a different area, (a mile away) and then putting their own stakes in that spot... doesn't look like they have any cameras or drones keeping 24/7 surveillance of their claim. (The new guy that put his new stakes in that spot could just say there were no posts when he showed up.)
It make sme laugh so hard when the little guy gets a leg up over an entire industry so the entire industry must pretend as if that doesn't exist or is wrong somehow.. I'll bet that dude with the lithium land will be kept on the back burner til the end on purpose then they'll buy him out with next to nothing when his land is almost worthless, sad American dream going on.
Well so far we've seen a man put some sticks in the ground. That seems far from a win, especially if a big player can just go change the laws through politicians with money and power, or literally just go move the sticks lol.
If you're not willing to do what's required and get down and dirty and actually put your feet on the ground that you want to claim then you should be denied such claim. I suppose you want an app for that. The law keeps people from claiming everything.
Well, you pack up your things, you head out again Into some unknown spot where nobody's been You reach the spot where your fortune lies You find it's been staked by 17 other guys
That's green energy. It's never as green as people say. I saw dozens of acres of old growth forest cut down for a solar farm a couple years ago. No one wants to live like the greenest people in the developed world, the Amish. And battery powered cars are powered by the local system of energy production. So those cars are mostly coal-powered. But environmentalists don't want to give up flying and their cars, entirely, to live actual green lives. So we push for energies we stamp as "Green," regardless of the ethical considerations. The biggest lithium competitors have slave labor, lowering the costs to compete. Lithium mining will always be destructive, by it's very nature.
@@bl8388 its not environmentalists who don't want to give up modern convinance, its everyone. If we're serious about stoping our reliance on fossil fuels, we must make the transition away from them seemless. We need to make it so no one has to give up living normally. And for that to happen, we must dig and mine and build. It will be bad for the environment in the short term, but it'll be worth it if we can move on from fossil fuels
Why is the United States Government not claiming all that Lithium and then paying Nevadans for it like the people of Alaska each get a check for oil or the way Norway handles oil proceeds and gives that profit to its citizens? Also as a native Nevadan, I always heard Tonapah pronounced Tona-PAH, (heavy on the Pah.) Is that not correct?
It's so adorable the govt is pushing everyone to electric cars, but polls show most people do not want electric cars. It won't "save" the earth, it is just another ploy and involves lots of pollution in the manufacture of the cars and in the extraction of cobalt and other things needed for the batteries. Once the car batteries are done they are seriously dangerous and toxic. Another thing not often thought about is that electric cars weigh many times more than gas cars because the batteries are so massive. This makes an SUV electric car the same as a semi truck in weight, and it accelerates in mere seconds from 0-60mph. The amount of destruction that can be caused by a heavy electric driver speeding or driving like an idiot is really scary to think about, esp if they hit a gas car that weighs much, much less. It should not be government's place to nanny state us about cars we drive or light bulbs we use, especially when there are sound arguments about pros vs cons for both. The people and the free market should decide via their purchase choices. Also Americans are flat out strapped for cash. They are not going to go for expensive EV cars within 5yrs ish time. I also do not want a car that needs to be charged that cannot traverse very long distances. I live in a rural city and often take long road trips, and thus my little Honda Fit is where it is at. I like to buy a car cash and keep it for decades until the wheels fall off. I would contend that I care more for the environment buying a car and keeping it, rather than trading out for a different car every few years whether EV or not. The polluting and danger factor of EVs really are being underplayed, and like Thomas Sowell said, "There are no solutions in life, only trade offs". EVs are not a solution, they are just a trade off. The individual should be making the decision about what makes the most sense for them.
Technology advances. I am sure someone saw the first flight at Kitty hawk and claimed "I can run faster than that, cute gimmick but no one will ever want that". In the near future battery powered cars will be superior in every way even though right now they are only superior in some ways.
You'll notice in every "new gold rush" it's only the guy selling the shovels and beans that gets rich. Some corporation takes everything else, and the guy who dug for his fortune leaves as broke as he came.
That’s how capitalism works
@@big0ben209 That's just common sense. It's usually very hard to make a profit actually mining. Way easier making a profit selling tools and equipment. Ultimately it's not capitalism, it's intelligence vs dumbness. It's calculations vs emotions. It's business vs gambling.
@@big0ben209 Which the commies adopted because they wanted to have nice things
@@itsover9008 you just described capitalism
@@itsover9008 it’s literally capitalism to have one winner and a sea of losers. We cannot all rise together, capitalism only works when a business continues to have growth, which means raising prices and paying employees less. There will always be an uneven distribution of wealth in a capitalist society.
People acting like they care about the world and the population in the end what really matters is how much money they going to make it.
Always
exactly! all fukin hypocrites
Who cares about how expensive tomorrow is if today we can get rich!
Oh sweetie....
and the opposite, the self-proclaiming virtuous libkunts that have no problem using the products that mining produces.
If done right, there is no shame in making a buck at any level of the mining process. Lets talk more about the manipulation/grift/graft at the highest levels of markets or in govt permits that says who may or may not get the bucks.
So, for anyone who wants to know the order of operations
a prospector will do research, walk the ground, look in the history books, etc.
if they think there might be a deposit there, they stake the claim to give them rights to any _potential_ minerals in that zone.
after staking, the prospector must then actually survey the ground and *find* any mineral deposits there, figure out how rich they are per ton, etc.
if they find anything, they will then shop around to different mining companies and sell the claim to mechanical mining operations.
from there, the mine must further research and explore the deposit. this will mean drilling hindered or thousands of core samples, either from the surface or punching in an adit and drilling a fan pattern.
Then their geologists need to look at the samples to asses if the initial prospect results hold up to deeper scrutiny and figure out if the ore can be extracted profitably. it does no good extracting $1m of ore for $1.5m.
Then they need to actually permit and develop a plan to make a viable mine.
If you didn't know, a mine has to pay the cost of reclamation into escrow up front before any work has actually been done, so if anything happens, we the people don't foot the bill.
This is also a process that is quite unique to the US. In a lot of other countries a large and specialised exploration company will do their due diligence, look at existing geological surveys, speak to experts in the field, do preliminary studies with geologists, hydrologists, etc. then if convinced, will bid for mineral exploration rights which are hugely expensive. That's when the real work begins with soil sampling, drilling surveys, ground penetrating radar etc., all to locate a deposit that can be exploited and the rights sold, given a whole host of conditions, government/community/regulatory consultation, additional purchase of land and access rights, acceptance of remediation plans, dozens of approvals and so on.
There's definitely something more archaic about mining and prospecting in the US. Not the engineering and tech side, more how claims are staked and rights + access purchased.
Some states you can't file a claim
So what's to stop me from pulling up those stakes, planting my own and just writing an earlier date on the paper I put in there? And I mean the hypothetical "me", I wouldn't actually do that but I'm sure someone would.
@@bccsivxx-xxivvii this is my exact question
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As pointed out in this video, electric cars aren't "green". They aren't sustainable. Public transit and train lines are the obvious and cost effective solutions for most of transportation.
If you live in mega cities
@@tuckerbugeater Is Europe one big mega city? Apparently they have to be to support all the mass transit they have.
We don't all live in high enough population density areas for that to be ideal. Nice reach though.
@@ehrgeiz5649 @Tucker eats bugs most of human population does though
@@ehrgeiz5649 "All" that is a key word. Because on East of the Mississippi, a good portion of the West coast, and central TX, we do live in high enough population densities. You can see it plain as day (snicker) when looking at the U.S. from space at night. That would be where the vast majority of of people live and where public transportation would be most effective.
Anyone saying densities aren't enough in those areas is divorced from reality.
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I don't get this. Why wouldn't someone hire a group of interns to just go out and stake ALL the land in a week flat? And if there is no central authority of DB of the staked claims, what is to prevent someone from ripping out other stakes they find? Or maybe that is the point: there needs to be more regulation?
They research the landscape and when they feel they have a winner they ask the federal government for a permit to mine the land then EPA and BLM wanna make sure you know what you're doing and they themselves issue permits as well. It's costly so to just flat out purchase acres and acres of unnecessary land is not worth it.
@@listocastillo6453 ah ok thanks that makes more sense. Appreciate the reply.
in Canada there is a whole industry to deal with prospecting , plot claiming, selling claims , licensing for prospectors. etc etc Might be very similar in the United States and its generally a square of stakes at the maximum size that license/claim covers. not just a single unmarked stake.
The stake holders today have no intent on mining anything themselves. Their hope is a mining company comes in, and they get to sell their stakes. Or just selling 'investment' in their stakes, that never pay out. It is a complete joke of a system and why there is little interest world wide to deal with the mess here. So the U.S. gets left out. Of course that could be a good thing as other areas deplete their reserves, the untouched U.S. stake becomes more valuable.
"Federal Land" 😂 you don't own it 😅 😞😔
I'm not against going green but there is a downside to this so called "new gold rush" and that's because this "new gold rush" is also targeting sacred Native American land which mining companies would love to destroy to make a quick buck for example there's a lithium deposit under the black hills which has a sacred spiritual role in the tribal religions of several Native American tribes located in the area and desecrating it would be a great offense to those tribes. Same thing with oil companies as well, like I said I'm not against going green but i want it to be done in a way that doesn't result in the complete destruction of sacred Native American land or otherwise the country would end repeating the actions of the past. In which horrible atrocities where committed against Native Americans to make way for gold mining.
I mean lithium sucks for a lot of reason, as it also needs a lot of water. Kind of problematic in the desert.
That's why everyone tries to find alternative battery chemistries. I don't think lithium mining is a very durable business.
No one goes out of their way to destroy Native American land. Dealing with NA land is a headache.
I have a good amount of NA in me and if the land isn't being used for something that benefits us all? Then put it to use... The spirits don't have to worry about living do they. They'll be fine. There is a lot more dessert out there and they can move in ways we can't.
I'm sorry but pointing at a place and saying "This is spiritual" or "this is historical" isn't enough for any culture to stop development. We cannot live forever in the past .
How to judge what is incredibly important or what isn't is beyond me.
Modernizing our energy system is sacred for the planet.
Yes exactly THANK YOU!!
Always focused on the unimportant parts of the actual issue. Typical American. You should be concerned because it is in no way sustainable this lie about going green. Only the gullible and naive still believe it. Unfortunately the gullible and naive tend to make up the bulk of America. It's why we were so easily turned into sheep and cows during covid.
My suspicion is that emerging technologies will negate the usefulness of Lithium batteries with more available chemical compositions.
Hopefully man.....
only so many compounds to go around dude. plus 5-10 years to develop it .. NOPE Lithium is here to stay
This approach to mining rights is insane. In so many ways the US is simply stuck in the 19th century.
It beats paying corrupt politicians boxes of money.
@@Jack-ne8vm false dichotomy.
Filmed at the Salton Sea before. Gnarly beautiful visuals. Tons of lithium out there for sure.
Also an incredibly TOXIC place.
It’s crazy as kids we used to go boating and swim there ..
@Gigia wow and you're still alive ? 😅😅😅
Lithium should not be considered green energy.
Lithium mining and extraction is highly pollutive, destructive to landscape and habitats, very energy intensive, and requires a lot of water usage. It requires about 500k gallons of water to extract 1 ton of lithium.
It's just another finite resource that causes a lot of harm to extract, but it has a good marketing campaign lumping it in with other technologies that are not so destructive.
Respectfully, I do not disagree, but what do you see as a better electricity storage alternative?
@@cybercraft5393 Sodium ion batteries are the simple answer. However if we actually want to keep the Earth livable we should be focussing our efforts on mixed use zoning, dense infrastructure by removing car parks and the installation of passenger rail and bike lanes. None of which require lithium mining and all of which would have a much greater impact than swapping car engines with electric motors.
My city has been installing bike lanes everywhere and the NIMBY pushback is astonishing. The slightest changes make them go nuts. We’re also adding ADUs (granny flats) to make housing denser and again, the pushback is deafening.
@5:58... Have you never seen the look of desperation before?
I definitely prefer the US oldschool method, instead of a huge corporation just saying, "aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're taking half of this" and with the click of a button it's theirs suddenly.
How old school... Like when you buy 5 states for $20 from Native Americans... I'm Cherokee by the way before anyone gets their panties in a bunch. Lol
I moved to Tonopah a couple years ago. It's amazing how many people and companies past through this town with obvious dollars backing them looking for lithium. Some come and go quick. Others are more serious.
from the images ive seen tonopah actually looks like a city i would enjoy myself in, compared to other us cities.
My mom lived in Tonopah for about 5 years.
Nice little town.
lol its all inbreds and scary desert rats @@TomatDKProductions
ABAT/ABML will rule!
What a coincidence I just watch a video on here about how India has a Lithium mine rush
yeah lol, caspian report right?
@@crebspark yeah haha
Afghanistan has lithium and uranium
@@jedibane Empires go to die in Afghan. Why should the U.S invade a foreign country for their minerals? Just an excuse for the industrial military complex to make more contracts.
Wtf? Were you watching a different Caspian Report than the rest of us?
Lithium will soon be obsolete.
It simply does not pack the energy density needed to fuel the green energy revolution.
It's like investing in VHS tape technology when Laser CD's are already around the corner.
What's right around the corner then
Lead acid 😂
There is hydrogen.
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5:25 the dramatic pause, right before he says…..”everybody’s life” 😂😂😂
Rick sees dollar signs; I see uninhabitable earth.
In Australia they have a similar process for opal and gold grounds . Stake a square when previous claim expire
Good to see Randy Marsh moving on after the Tegridy Farm Fire
Millions of tonnes of battery's available for recycling..that Tesla employee who made a start up is recycling 1% or less a day and gets 300+ tonne delivered daily ..
I've got batteries coming out the wazzoo as I've been purchasing recycled batteries and breaking them down and testing them and refurbishing battery's and making power packs
I wish you luck. It is far better to 'mine' waste than to mine our last remaining wild places and turn them into toxic wastelands...
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My thoughts too !
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Imagine banking your whole existence on federal government land
Imagine not understanding that the federal government can take ANY piece of land they want.... there's no such thing as "federal government land"..... because of imminent domain, they own everything.
What do you even mean by this lmao
Excellent video! The only aspect I'm missing is how foriegn mineral claims are made compared to the US. You do a great job of explaining the US system, and it does seem antiquated, but without a comparison I don't understand the degree to which it's outdated.
@WestOfEarth Almost everywhere else on Earth a government owns all mineral rights, so there are no "claims". She wants to acquire mineral rights by bribing someone instead of competing against other market actors.
@@nospam3001 They US gov owns all mineral rights and sells them out too. It just gets its "bribes" back indirectly in the form of fees and taxes. Federal land is hardly "free for the (s)taking. Other countries also require competitive bidding. You aren't special.
@@obsidianjane4413 Wrong. The US government only owns mineral rights to Federal Land. Most mining, forestry, farming, ranching, oil production, etc. is done on private land. The only area where US resources are exclusively managed for political instead of economic reasons (like the rest of the world) is off shore.
Taxation has nothing to do with who has the right to exploit the resource.
@@nospam3001 lol Don't pay your taxes and fees on land use and see how much it has to do with it.
@@obsidianjane4413 You are just deflecting now. Anyone who gains income, from whatever source, pays taxes, and there are consequences if they don't. That is not a means of regulating who can open a mine.
That was a good and informative video I never knew anything about staking a claim before. I figured those days were long gone
*I believe the BIG challenge is to develop new "clean" ways to extract Lithium without trashing the rest of the environment in the process.* At some point, the American system will be dragged, kicking and screaming into modern times. America needs knowledgeable educated people to make laws to safely govern modern activities like mining and internet business.
So only the educated corporate people in life can play I say that's just plain b.s.
The big challenge is actually to get laypeople like you to quit believing in fairytales and magical thinking. There is no way to extract minerals without either disturbing the earth or damaging the water supply. In situ mining is as close to "low impact" as you're going to get, but it is still very destructive to the water supply. Go read a geology textbook and inform yourself on the issues instead of hoping for the environmental equivalent of a free lunch.
The problem is, there's not enough Lithium nor Cobalt to go round to produce enough cells (over 7,000 Lithium/Cobalt cells per EV) to replace even 1% of Gasoline/Diesel powered vehicles. Some of the largest Lithium mines in Australia and China have already been depleted and have shut down. It takes 500,000cu yds of displaced soil to produce enough lithium for 1 EV, not counting the millions of gallons of fresh water used and contaminated.
Plus, there will never be enough power plants to handle the load on the power-grids nor enough facilities to handle the excess coal-ash and nuclear waste that EV's will create. Battery-cell storage is and will ALWAYS be, the most INEFFICIENT form of portable power. EV's with the latest Cell technology only get a pathetic 900 power/efficiency score. Gasoline/Diesel scores a whopping 4500+.
Don't even mention these so-called "new" Sodium cells nor believe their HYPE. First of all they weigh much more than the current Lithium cells, produce 25% less power, perform MUCH WORSE in cold conditions than Lithium cells and are especially more VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS, than even the highly volatile Lithium cells.
Also, with knowing that the Electronics Industry makes loads more money per ton of Lithium, that's used to power our wireless devices (along with how many Lithium/Cobalt cells it takes to power just 1 EV), I estimate that in 5yrs with the depletion of Lithium/Cobalt deposits, there will be a WORLDWIDE BAN on using Lithium in any EV larger than an E-Bike.
How about we just make folks drive their cars for 10yrs before buying a new one?
I’ll take that over an all electric vehicle😂
@@davidmills9685exactly, that’s what people don’t understand.
All I know is I'm more interested in Toyota's future in hydrogen fueled cars than EV's. EV's are (in my opinion) an absolute meme and just a fun alternative. If EV's are ever actually allowed or forced unto people to become the standard, we're going to see so much pollution and chaos from spent batteries from the lack of recycling. Hydrogen is quite literally the only answer for mass adoption of an alternative from of energy for vehicular transportation, unless we stay with the modern combustible engine.
Hydrogen has many problems. Embrittlement, small molecules, costs more to isolate it than it’s worth. And hydrogen capable tanks are heavy. Scaling up is tough because the weight becomes prohibitive. It sounds cool at first, but doesn’t work in reality.
Agree, if Toyota is ditching EVs they are ahead of the curve. Lithium is dirty and outdated already. American car MFGs are a joke and always years behind the trends so if they are pushing lithium you know it's a bust. Cleaner and more renewable sodium ion cells will look to replace them soon in my opinion if something better isn't developed first. Everyone who jumped onboard with the lithium energy red herring is going to look foolish soon with their combustible paperweights and all the pollution and damage they caused because they had to have them.
Combustion vehicles are not an option either
Haha the well-to-wheel efficiency of Hydrogen Cars is an absolute meme. Like, why use the electricity you generated directly by charging a battery, driving a motor with 90% of the energy converted to momentum when you can fucking electrolize water with it, waste half of the energy creating Oxygen, then use energy to compress and cool the hydrogen to cryogenic temperatures, use energy to pump or transport the hydrogen miles on not yet existing infrastructure, then run a 70% efficient, expensive af fuel cell to drive the motor, while the 1/10th as dense as gasoline -250°C hydrogen in your cryogenic tank slowly boils off.
Thing is battery tech can be improved upon. Hydrogen is as energy dense and difficult to handle as will ever be.
Hydrogen is already dead.
A better battery is coming this decade that does not use Lithium. Cash in and cash out while you can. Many next gen batteries are cleaner with common materials that have been tested, but none have reached scalability and production yet. When it happens, bigger + cheaper batteries are going to change transportation and mobile technology in big ways.
Vince ramirez straight looks like he just trying to get rich.
gives a whole new meaning to the word stakeholder
No, that's the original meaning!!
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@@8w494 That's the point of the comment...........
It is what people like to call a joke
I much prefer the sodium battery. But because there is such an industry around it it might drag us all into its own market Ben if there is a better alternative. Thanks for the update.
You do know that sodium ion batteries are still being developed, and their proposed energy density is lower than that of lithium, right? They could still play a big role, and hopefully they do, but lithium will likely continue to be a big player for years to come at least. Particularly for scenarios where energy density matters the most, such as electric semi-trucks, small passenger planes, and luxury cars. The last 2 are less important, but obviously there's a big market for them.
@@marvellous9652 thanks Marvellous. Good point.
I fail to see how an individual could possibly hope to 'get rich' by finding a new lithium sources. There are conglomerates and very large companies who are busy digging up lithium ore, and exporting it to China for refinement. These companies should, in my opinion, be exploring the option of domestic commercial refinement. It would be difficult given the huge difference in labour costs, but an analysis should prove whether or not this would be viable in the future, especially given the tensions between China and everyone else.
These organisations, mining companies, also have the money, resources, equipment, to do geological surveys on a scale that an individual could never hope to match.
Some *may scrape a meagre living by doing it the hard way, or through back-door channels, but I would envisage those few and far between, if they existed at all, and any gains would not make the endeavour payable.
The best way to cash in on the lithium 'rush' is to go over old gold mining maps, and try to locate places where the old miners in the 80's abandoned an area because another area much richer had been found elsewhere, and not far away.
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Reading a report from a mining inspector who went all over every gold-field in Victoria, Australia, in the late 1800's, briefly touched upon one of these places. I will paraphrase it, as I cannot be bothered to get the book and type it verbatim:
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About 5 miles from [town], at Site A, the miners were digging down ~15' to recover the wash-dirt.
20 'buckets' (undefined amount) of such pay dirt then had to be carted to water, for a price, for gold recovery, and those 20 buckets yielded ~5 Ozs on average.
A few miles away, another area, Site B, was discovered where similar, or better, pay dirt was found much closer to the surface, and as such the miners from Site A abandoned their digging, simply packing up and moved to Site B. The cost of carting the pay dirt from Site A proved to negate the ~5 Ozs they were getting per 20 buckets.
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Many years ago when I used to visit old gold fields, mostly looking for discarded artefacts, I also did my best to locate Site A, based upon maps of that time compared to modern maps.
I believe I did find that place, which spans both local council and private land, and as such would take resources I simply do not have to try and exploit this area, even with modern machinery making digging at that depth child's play.
But others continue to find sizable nuggets, both within Victoria's Golden Triangle, and in Western Australia.
It's simple, they find the lithium source and claim it, then sell the claim to said conglomerate or lease it. Same as the oil fields. If you find that your land is thick with oil and get a company to pump it for you you might not become John Paul Getty Rich but you can make 10k per month or more and that's nothing to sneeze at.
chinese slave labor is cheap
This was the first time I’ve seen a one minute non-skip ad on CZcams
Same
It's how it's done here in Australia too. Just put a stake in the ground at least 1M high with your details on it then lodge it with the mining board.
So what stops me from packing up all my tools, driving out there and ripping up all the wooden stakes and replacing them with mine?
They're obviously recorded with the respective county before the claim is staked, see you in court.
Learned something new. Great video
Lithium extraction seems very destructive to an area….there needs to be a better option.
We got so much rain that people are slussing in the Sierras again, and I thought that this was the topic. I'm really glad it wasn't.
Lol 😆 😆 😆 wish I could do that, I got gold fever bad 😊
That mining convention was filled with nothing but Agent Smiths.
That is like when a foreign country visits your country plants their country's flag in the ground and tells you, "You are all American citizens now in the name of their country or King.
Imma gonna miss ya, Vice! :😢
Lithiom is a dead market once the nuclear battery takes hold.
its weird but its very american like the guy said. its entrepeneureal spirit. however like the blonde lady said there needs to be federal level representation for mining workers also. its good money for both
Remember kids, Water makes Lithium go BOOM!
It's nice to see the Heartland chasing an element besides fentanyl for a change.
Damn. Lololol
China doesn’t have lithium, they own the mines in Africa.
Socialize the mining industry and use the profits to pay for a universal health care system.
or just pay for it period like any other even reasonably civil society
@@jamesdrummond7684with limits so that rich people don't monopolize lithium
I'm sorry Sir, but I don't think you've met America.
no
You mean nationalize
This sounds like big companies trying to stop the little man making money to me. Think about it, under this law your grandad could go out and strike big. I'm not American, but that sounds like an American dream to me. They should keep this law
Sounds like the companies would prefer you buy the land and then be able to mine it. Blocking the little man from making his fortune
*Daniel Plainview voice*
Ladies and gentlemen, I consider myself a lithium man.
It will be a tragedy to see this beautiful country wrecked for mining in the name of green energy which will destroy the very type of wilderness we should be protecting.
Lithium in your blood can make you nuts, take a look around you. 😅😅😅
Notice the rich business woman wants to change everything to suit her agenda, while the poor old guy likes it the way it is.
Yea they did the whole online claims thing up north here. Huge swaths of land all claimed up, block after block around my area. I can't even load all the claim blocks in some areas before my phone freezes up. There could be someone in China click click click. Wish we still had physical staking here. Maybe it's old fashioned but it prevents bs like that from happening.
so you are saying you need a new phone with more memory?
@@feelinghealingfrequences7179Nice try. I have a snapdragon 870 and 13G of ram so no, no I do not need a new phone. It should load everything just fine doesn't even max out the ram and the processor, while not being the fastest, is no slouch either. It's more like it's maxing out the capabilities of google earth trying to load all these foreigners claims blocks. Click n claim is a teeeeeerrible system ask any small time prospector up north. There's not much left to claim! When you had to get a guy go out in the bush and put up a claim post you didn't have the problems we have today. Great for big companies and corporations that I'm sure, especially chinese owned ones. So yea bring back the claim post and don't change that in the states or you'll suffer the same fate.
6:15 dude is never gonna touch lithium
hes just a speculator nothing more,, trying to sell a dream
After they destroy the landscape, it should be required the area gets repurposed for massive solar farms.
Lithium is mostly just for batteries. For sustainable energy batteries good to have, but not really big part of the solution. Electric cars are just not going to fix anything. What you need is robust and adaptable energy grid that can handle various energy sources and distribute it accordingly. Ofc main focus needs to be zero carbon energy sources. And you need to electrify stuff like heating and stoves for example. Then invest more in trains, metro and other stuff.
Lithium is important, but it's actually quite small part of fixing our climate and energy issues.
Fun fact : Lithium accounts for less then 1% of all *efficient* car battery's, any batteries using more lithium is losing more of its efficiency. 😂 - Keyword _Efficient_
And the future isn't mining it ! - Its recycling all the minerals in the batteries per - *JB Straubel's Redwood Materials* Some people play checkers and some play chess !
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Ah, the iron clad law of 'finders keepers'...
I e been saying this about Lithium mining for a long time. It’s just as destructive for the environment as oil and gas. I get in the long term it’s better for the environment, but barely. Not to mention your giant gas and oil corporations are getting into lithium business as well.
I was waiting for the Biological Diversity guy to say " Look man I'm the dude man and all I want is to get my rug back "
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The fact that the mining of lithium is just as bad as the usage of gasoline in vehicles for the environment has me skeptical. This is a fact that seems to go overlooked by many.
lithium is a bridge to nowhere. Eletric cars cannot even be charged.
I love how people just repeat “isn’t that the American way” after people react- um, no… the American way is actually the ability to change and grow with the times, not remain stuck on stupid.
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What American history have you been reading? We went to war with ourselves over resisting change. Our history is littered with examples...
And yet all these overseas fetishists can't coherently explain why it's a problem. All those fancy European beverages won't make them be able to make a basic point
I'm Michael learmonth. Editor in chief of Vice news. Too often I shy away from lithium. But not today.
So nationalise it. We need to think long term. If 90% of the minerals can be recycled we don't need a free for all source fiding.
90% recyclable? Lmfao muppet
Let's be Venezuela
@@bluemeriadoc Sounds like you have more faith in an ideology than in your fellow countrymen.
@@TheMcgojoh Believing your countrymen to be inherently immune to the greed and stupidity that plagues the third world is pure ideology.
Its delusional to think the government won't change the law to benefit some billion dollar company who funds them politically thus making staking completely irrelevant. The only reason they haven't is because they have no mining authority and people are unsure if mining this area is even worthwhile but if they realise it is worthwhile the law will change.
Not only is it the same mining process as always digging up the earth but they can't recycle lithium yet
How about we just get rid of our dependency on cars??
Yea we should just use wagons and horses.
Teleporting dude. Teleporting.
i agree but we still need lithium for buses, ebikes and electronics
Dude's asking those same profound questions I asked as a teen when I first started smoking weed lmao
"What if we just, like, print a gazillion dollars and pass it out so then everyone on earth would be super rich??"
@@mikeygraves16 hahahaha
The corruption isn’t by accident it’s the main feature.
I wanna know more about the claiming issue.
Like, they'll have to pay a certain sum to the Federal Government for their claim, right?
And what if someone just comes around and removes the post to put his own, or moves their post like half a mile or something?
They're based on GPS locations now once you file the claim. Easy to tell if someone moves it or jumps the claim which is a serious crime. Same as with other mine and mineral claims.
when the geologist said there's a little more too it, he was right. that claim number he said that is assigned to the lot when its claimed also needs to have geological maps with it as well as the regular government ID credentials a person needs. there fore if someone does just come along and pull the stack out, you have documentation of the area registered with the govt under your name as the claim.
Pictures with GPS locations my friend.
@@imheretocausetrouble2156 blame vice for making it seem like random guys are planting wood stake to claim land
It's not a actually that simple
Lithium mining is one of the most carbon producing forms of mining on earth. For every ton of mined lithium, 15 tons of CO2 are emitted into the air.
If you go out there, be careful, a series of events will have you fighting for life
That can’t be true. It would be totally absurd to be able to claim land as your own simply by driving a stake into the ground.
It is never owned by the individual... still federal land that BLM maintains and administers. The claim is simply granting access for mineral removal and you must pay a yearly fee. They rarely grant patented claims anymore (government wised up) so you can't live on the land either or build a dwelling. Public still has right of way access. You really are just renting a piece of dirt hoping to sell the claim in the future much like a land investment. Most of these grubstakers have no intention of actually mining...
You are actively on the internet while making this incorrect assumption.... take 5 goddamn minutes out of your day to use the magical device you typed this on and do a little research.
Cannot stake minerals in NY. Specifically gold. Even if you own the land and rights, it is stated that ANY gold found in NY State is the property of the state. This is complete Bulls**t in NY.
The issues have nothing to do with with "old" laws. It's as simple as someone prospecting areas they have a legal right to be on and "Staking out" a claim. Those stakes are nothing more than indicators of boundaries of the claim, so others do not "claim jump". The claim in fact does have to be turned into the government for recording and the land must be improved or maintained in order to keep your claim. It makes no sense to keep paying fees for a claim you will never use.
I don't know where the idea came from there are no government agencies that deal with mining, where do you think you turn your claim into?
As you can tell in the video, one person seemed completely angry over any discussions of mining and that was Patrick Donnelly, who is a member of a radical environmental group that no doubt will do everything in their power to prevent mining in the area.
We don't know if there are enough lithium deposits in the area to make mining possible, but let's say there are. This is not the 1870's, NOBODY is going to be able to mine one grain of sand without endless lawsuits (see angry guy above) and government regulations being followed. There is a good chance that NONE of these claims are worth the time and money it will take to get past the lawsuits.
The largest Lithium mine, if it ever actually starts is the Thacker Pass Mine in Northern Nevada, where serious prospecting was done in 2007.
16 years later it STILL is not running, as they have been battling radical leftist in court. The courts have just granted the mine another legal victor but you can expect another appeal.
this video is funny because lithium will soon be old news as far as batteries are concerned
You forgot to mention DRC supplies 70% of global supply... Which all goes to China and what's happening there is just appalling 😢😢😢
I believe you're thinking of cobalt, not lithium.
I'm a big environmentalist and usually against electric cars and lithium mining. Anything made from crude oil can be made from algae oil without the environmental impacts. Algae oil is the only green energy that will completely replace crude oil
As someone who studies geology and economic geology, and is very familiar with the earlier Cenozoic and Quaternary geology of the Western Interior, I was interested to see that former oil exec looking at claims in relation to maps of the vast former (Pleistocene) pluvial lakes of the Great Basin. Follow deposits of the Mid-Tertiary Ignimbrite Flareup (and later silicic volcanism of the Great Basin, High Desert, and SRP) and ancient Pleistocene pluvial watersheds, and you find the lithium…
Hey , geologist, help me find some god ole gold in them thar hills 😅😅😅
Dont ever quote speed limits, we dont even follow them in the US 😂😂😂
hoping they don't use children as labor
No, just a doggo that will probably never be 18+
@@g3toutth3way it is actually so weird to think about the fact that in the US currently this is NOT a 0% chance...
This is usa not africa
@@BigTx281 a lot of states are relaxing child labor laws currently
Black slaves incoming?
When you drive out there just one time, your tracks last for decades compacting the ground. Time almost stands still in the desert. Every change lasts near to forever. We will never get any of it back. Never.
Good to see were being dependent on our own resources
other than that nothing has happened and it's likely unprofitable
@@jamesdrummond7684 hows that so other states have lithium not just Nevada
Good to see we are destroying our native ecosystems ❤ America first, right ?
@@roach2420 Have you seen Nevada's vast emptiness?
@@roach2420 it's in the middle of a hot ass desert what else do you have to cry about?
so you can just drive around federal land claiming everything that isn't already claimed, then sit back waiting for a payday if someone finds something valuable on it? sounds f'ed up!
I mean what the girl in the green dress said about things being ran by outdated practices is far too common in America for many things, its not 1787 anymore and many things that need to be updated never are. You could go stake as much as you want, but once its proven the area is profitable some crooked politicians will use a loophole made in 1896 or whatever fits narrative X to screw people and fill their back pockets
remember when people wanted to regulate the internet using 19th-century laws meant for railroads? LOL. And all the late night talk show hosts pushed it ad nauseum?
You hit the nail on the head. What they do is designate it with some kind of federal protection then when everyone has forgotten years later they go in and start quietly exploiting the areas they've locked the public out of. Almost all of Nevada is public land ripe for the taking and the feds know it... they just designated the entire bottom 1/4 of the state a national monument!
What stop someone's from claiming most favorable lots and just sit on it until another party is interested to buy & invest ? It's literally free real estate
That is correct and can be done. But you need proof of purity and even deposit size and depth before ANY mining company will even talk to you on the phone.
When Sodium ion batteries replace Lithium, he will have mining claims that are worth not much anymore.
We need great, gorgeous journalism like this, vice! Great piece!
lol just heard an hour ago that India discovered a huge Lithium mine
Sometimes money is just not worth the destruction of our land. Let these countries make their money for 50 years and watch the repercussions they will face.
Yeah these are the “growing pains” of switching to EV instead of gasoline. As for the salton sea, that smelly ditch is already and environmental disaster, can’t get much worse.
All the time, money is just not worth the destruction our children will have to face for our short sightedness. If only we realized that it’s community and the Earth that we must cherish, not money.
@@troypropes1182 agreed. Also people underestimate Nevada that is the land of unbelievable natural beauty and wild open country.
So we should use gasoline instread, ruin all of the planet instead of localized land?
You sound like you know very little about mining. It’s truly not as bad as you think. But you’ll never believe me. I recommend before judging go boot boots on ground at a modern mining site.
?? What is stopping anyone from driving around and just ripping out all of those red painted posts and throwing them in the back of their truck, (to be burnt or buried later) or putting those stakes in a different area, (a mile away) and then putting their own stakes in that spot... doesn't look like they have any cameras or drones keeping 24/7 surveillance of their claim. (The new guy that put his new stakes in that spot could just say there were no posts when he showed up.)
It make sme laugh so hard when the little guy gets a leg up over an entire industry so the entire industry must pretend as if that doesn't exist or is wrong somehow.. I'll bet that dude with the lithium land will be kept on the back burner til the end on purpose then they'll buy him out with next to nothing when his land is almost worthless, sad American dream going on.
The issue is despite there being lithium it’s not enough and not right geography that makes sense for it to mine.
Well so far we've seen a man put some sticks in the ground. That seems far from a win, especially if a big player can just go change the laws through politicians with money and power, or literally just go move the sticks lol.
If he dies his claim dies with him. Just sayin'.
So when they stake a claim... and put one of those poles in the ground... how many feet/ yard/ miles in circumference do they have ownership of???
You don't own a claim , people can still camp and fish on it
20 acres per claim... 185,00 per year to blm
If you're not willing to do what's required and get down and dirty and actually put your feet on the ground that you want to claim then you should be denied such claim. I suppose you want an app for that. The law keeps people from claiming everything.
Well, you pack up your things, you head out again
Into some unknown spot where nobody's been
You reach the spot where your fortune lies
You find it's been staked by 17 other guys
I sure do love watching other people get rich while destroying the environment 🙃
That's green energy. It's never as green as people say. I saw dozens of acres of old growth forest cut down for a solar farm a couple years ago. No one wants to live like the greenest people in the developed world, the Amish. And battery powered cars are powered by the local system of energy production. So those cars are mostly coal-powered.
But environmentalists don't want to give up flying and their cars, entirely, to live actual green lives.
So we push for energies we stamp as "Green," regardless of the ethical considerations. The biggest lithium competitors have slave labor, lowering the costs to compete. Lithium mining will always be destructive, by it's very nature.
@@bl8388 its not environmentalists who don't want to give up modern convinance, its everyone. If we're serious about stoping our reliance on fossil fuels, we must make the transition away from them seemless. We need to make it so no one has to give up living normally. And for that to happen, we must dig and mine and build. It will be bad for the environment in the short term, but it'll be worth it if we can move on from fossil fuels
Why is the United States Government not claiming all that Lithium and then paying Nevadans for it like the people of Alaska each get a check for oil or the way Norway handles oil proceeds and gives that profit to its citizens? Also as a native Nevadan, I always heard Tonapah pronounced Tona-PAH, (heavy on the Pah.) Is that not correct?
Your pronunciation is correct
It's so adorable the govt is pushing everyone to electric cars, but polls show most people do not want electric cars. It won't "save" the earth, it is just another ploy and involves lots of pollution in the manufacture of the cars and in the extraction of cobalt and other things needed for the batteries. Once the car batteries are done they are seriously dangerous and toxic. Another thing not often thought about is that electric cars weigh many times more than gas cars because the batteries are so massive. This makes an SUV electric car the same as a semi truck in weight, and it accelerates in mere seconds from 0-60mph. The amount of destruction that can be caused by a heavy electric driver speeding or driving like an idiot is really scary to think about, esp if they hit a gas car that weighs much, much less. It should not be government's place to nanny state us about cars we drive or light bulbs we use, especially when there are sound arguments about pros vs cons for both. The people and the free market should decide via their purchase choices.
Also Americans are flat out strapped for cash. They are not going to go for expensive EV cars within 5yrs ish time. I also do not want a car that needs to be charged that cannot traverse very long distances. I live in a rural city and often take long road trips, and thus my little Honda Fit is where it is at. I like to buy a car cash and keep it for decades until the wheels fall off. I would contend that I care more for the environment buying a car and keeping it, rather than trading out for a different car every few years whether EV or not. The polluting and danger factor of EVs really are being underplayed, and like Thomas Sowell said, "There are no solutions in life, only trade offs". EVs are not a solution, they are just a trade off. The individual should be making the decision about what makes the most sense for them.
Technology advances. I am sure someone saw the first flight at Kitty hawk and claimed "I can run faster than that, cute gimmick but no one will ever want that". In the near future battery powered cars will be superior in every way even though right now they are only superior in some ways.
Basically everything this guy says is nonesense