"Angry" Dave's Adult RC: ESS Dual has no sound
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- We did a ton of scale detailing on the UDR, we even added an ESS Dual sound kit from Sense Innovations. The problem? I doesn't work. Let's see what we can do to get some sound out of this bastard. Enjoy!
So I got a ess dual for my Losi LMT, hooked it up and nothing! Watched this vid, spent a few hours searching and so on. I swapped out the rtr radio it came with and put my DX5C with an SR310 rx and wham bam it works like it should! It has issues with the combo of SMART esc and SMART rx. Thank you for this video because it sent me in the right direction and not raging the damn thing. I only use SMART batts in my planes so im losing nothing including my mind.
2 recommendations. First, I see you have a tiny lipo up front. For lights? Try using it to power your ess one. Next, I wired my traxxas sound to be powered by the extra servo port on the receiver. Bottom line, 11v is the max power the ess one can handle. I hope you get it to work, or just install the Traxxas oba. Those work great.
The tiny battery is for the ESS, the lights run off the ESC. The OBA is the next step if the software update doesn't work. I have PLENTY of other rigs I can throw the ESS in. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
For anyone having trouble with spektrum esc.
You can can use this sound box but you need to have a Dx5 and set it up to run mixing between the throttle channel and a spare AUX channel. The esc smart technology doesn't send the signal you need out through the throttle y splitter because of this the box won't work but if you assign the box to a aux channel that is mixed with the throttle channel the receiver will send the signal to the sound system and you can keep your stock spektrum electronics. Hope this helps some of you.
I have some good news. I wrote back to Sense Innovations, this time I included the manuals to my radio, ESC and receiver. They sent me email back a couple of days later saying they studied the Smart Throttle (telemetry) problem and figured out a way hopefully solve it. They sent me a new firmware version 3.0.7 to test out with directions on how to upgrade. It worked great. Sound works the way it's supposed to with no interruption to the telemetry going to the radio. I asked if they would be posting the new firmware on their website. Waiting to hear back. BTW, the same problem exists with many of the light kits that use the throttle for reverse and brake lights. Hopefully those folks can take a lesson from Sense Innovations to get their stuff up to speed :)
Awesome! I'll look into that for sure. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
No Way!! Great news. I emailed them and never heard a response ha ha I was just about to write to everyone to let them know I got around to replacing the stock Spektrum receiver with a Flysky FS-A3 basic 3 channel receiver, and the ESS works great with it.
@@frozenfist3360 Great! Good to hear more than one way around the problem. Can't wait to tackle this again and WIN! -"Angry" Dave
Did they happen to reply with information regarding the firmware update thru their website? I got it to work with aftermarket rx/tx but would prefer to have stock electronics back in there.
You don't happen to have the update file do you?
I’m feeling your frustration man. I have a TRX4 with the ESS Dual and I get noise coming through the speakers when I steer. I can’t figure it out.
That might be from the digital servo, but at least you're getting sound at all. It's looking like the only way will be an in-line component that cleans the signal (which as far as I know doesn't exist) or a new ESC. Thanks for the comment man. Don't forget to share with friends. -"Angry" Dave
Dave’s Right Could be Digital Servo or Try Reading My Recent Comment on Video Cause Could Be too Much Power Going Through ESS Ok?.
Hope This Helps? Cool.
I ran into the same problem. I hooked it up to a Spektrum SR515 and couldn’t get into calibration mode. What i got back from Sense Innovation was that this receiver has sbus similar functionality, and that doesn’t seem to cooperate with the ESS Dual. So i connected it to a Futaba R617FS and it fired up directly.
So i think the issue is in the Rx protocol. So now i’m searching for a Spektrum receiver without bus functionality...
I'm just going to run a second cheap ESC to control the ESS. I can use a separate battery to run the ESC and the ESS so I'm not sucking down run battery. This set up won't work in everything due to space, but the UDR is huge and there's plenty of internal room. Let me know what happens with yours. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC i have a few more options to try, if they work out i’ll let you know 👊🏼
Hey Dave
Get a low voltage receiver- Traxxas
You will loose the gyro feature but the motor will work.
The UDR receiver puts out high voltage because of extra features .
The low voltage receiver is
Not recommended for beginner drivers with UDR.
It drives in pro mode no gyro assistance or telemetry access.
Hope this helps...
Happy holidays🙏🏽❤️💯
Perfect for oval racing.
The Traxxas Rx hasn't given me any trouble, it works great with the ESS. It's the ESC that won't play nice. If I use a Traxxas XL5 and a Traxxas Rx it works as designed. My UDR has a Radiolink RX and that got it working partially, it's still not right. If yo watch my Radiolink Tx/Rx review you can see how it works, I'll just have to get another ESC. Thanks for the help, Merry Christmas! -"Angry" Dave
I just buy one for my udr and work like champ sound good nice ess dual
Nice! -"Angry" Dave
Yup tried it on the SBR 2.0 and nothing! Threw it on my Tamiya Pro (Hobbywing) ESC etc it works fine now... I messaged sense as well so yeah...
The 2.0 has the 160 amp ESC and it won't even recognize it...
Thanks for the video. I just got the ESS dual sound unit to put inside my traxxas UDR. I'm using a RadioLinkRCx8 controller. My problem is that when I give throttle I hear nothing but when I go in reverse the sound is there as if I'm going forward. When I got my radiolinkrcx8 I had to reverse channel two in order for car to move forward when pulling the trigger towards me and visa versa. I solved that problem however the dual sound unit only works in reverse [ no sound when truck is moving forward // sound of throttle when going backwards. I've gone through calibration a dozen times, factory reset, ect. Any help would be greatly appreciated
I've heard of dozens of "fixes" for this. None of them work, they're all bullshit. You need to replace the ESC. The stock Traxxas unit doesn't play with the ESS. Thanks! "Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC God such bullshit. Wish they would mention this prior to purchase.. 🙄🙄
@@DanielHamel-iz5db It would be nice, but there are dozens if not hundreds of ESCs on the market and they can't test with them all. A "may not work with some systems" warning would be good, but it doesn't tell you if your stuff is one of those systems. I'm thinking a Traxxas OBA system would work and sound correct for the vehicle. You can just use the ESS in another rig. Thanks, "Angry" Dave
I was pretty pissed too!!!
Hell yeah! I'm stubborn as hell. That thing is gonna sit silent in the front of that truck until I burn up the stock ESC. Then I'll get one that's known to work and make that bitch sing! Thanks for watchin'! -"Angry" Dave
Hey Dave I have a new UDR I’d like to slap one of these on. I read on their description that they now work with traxxas TQI protocol. Do you know if it all works as it should now?
I'll have to do a software update on mine and try it again. I was just about to do some stuff with the UDR so thanks for the heads up. I'll do a video if it works. -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC it works great. I accidentally pinched the Y splitter so the sound would stop randomly especially when I’m making hard turns or off-road. Tomorrow I’m fixing it and will show how I have it wired up and secured.
I tryed the combination too, but also didnt work.. i think the problem is, that the ESC and RECEIVER is communicating with each other (telemetry stuff), so the ESS soundmodul doesnt get a "clean" PWM throttle signal. thats also the reason why you cant enter the menu of the ESS, once connected and fired up in the rig (like connected to the programming USB dongle).
Im using a TURNIGY remote system, so i use 2 receivers... one for the car and one for the sound module. not nice, but it works
I suspected something along those lines. The traxxas receiver works as long as I use another speed control. I thought about rigging it with a second ESC, but that requires another battery. I may try a second receiver now that you say that. If it doesn't work, I will probably just change the ESC. It costs more, but is less bull shit to do. Thanks for the comments. -"Angry" Dave
On my TURNIGY GT5 i can use the 6ch receiver (with GYRO and telemetry for the rig) which is store in a model and use parallel a 4ch receiver (without telemetry). Maybe the TRAXXAS stuff dosent work that way. I think, changing ESC would be the best solution if you want to use the TRAXXAS remote.
Very likely. I'm going to try powering a second receiver from the battery port on the main one and binding both receivers to the same transmitter. This way the signal from the esc isn't getting there, but the throttle signal should come out of the 2nd receiver clean to the sound box. I can even eliminate the signal wire in the cable to ensure the 2nd receiver isn't getting signal, only giving it. This is the theory anyway. If it works, I'll do another video as I have seen other people with this issue and there is no clear fix. If it only takes a 2nd receiver and some creative wiring that could definitely be cheaper than anything else I can imagine. -"Angry" Dave
I was having the same problem but then I decided to press and hold the "-" button to change to the 2nd option sound and it fired right up
Also I'm using a hobbywing 1080 esc and radiolink TX with RX so shit ain't that cheap
Also I forgot to mention to make sure to setup the battery configuration through rc plus on your speaker to what you have...
@@MrRick1303 I have the Radiolink stuff too. The 1080 is known to work pretty well with the ESS. I went through all set ups and made sure the most recent software update was in. This system just doesn't work with smart ESCs. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave"
Hey Mate i Know How You Feel.. & idk if you Fixed the Problem or Not? but I’ve had an ESS on a Similar System & I Found Out the Problem was with the Positive/Signal Wire Coming From the Esc to The ESS or It Was Positive/Signal Coming From the Receiver to the ESS (Sorry my Memory.. It’s Been Awhile Since I Did it..) But Anyways Check with a Multi-Meter the Voltage through those Wires & I Think You’ll Find There’s a Difference in Voltage, For Me There Was Just A Little Too Much Voltage Going to the ESS.. Anyways I Was Planning on Getting a Better Transmitter & Receiver So I Installed Them & Finally All Worked Fine! Because the New Receiver Put Out the Same Maximum Voltage the ESS Could Take Even Tho My ESC Was Running a Slightly Higher Voltage But That’s All it Took to Make it Annoying!.. Anyways Hope This Helps!. Take Care my Fellow Hobbyist & Keep the RC Hobby Alive!
Oh I did Change the ESC at a Later Date too.. But if You Want to Keep ESC Then You’ll Need Ether New Receiver that Limits Voltage Output to Channels Or a Voltage Restrictor Cool?. Good Luck & All the Best!.
A voltage restrictor sounds like a nice easy thing to try. I'll have to look into that. I may pull a receiver out of something non-Traxxas also and see what happens. Keep the suggestions coming, we'll figure it out eventually. -"Angry" Dave
im having the same the same problem it only seems to do it with brushless
Works fine in my brushed Element RC Enduro Sendero, won't work in the intended vehicle a brushless Losi LMT for anyone out there who may be wondering about either of those vehicles.
Thanks for the info. Maybe we should start an FB group dedicated to what works and what doesn't, lol. -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC I found another video out here from someone else with the Losi LMT which are equipped with Spektrum electronics, they found that just changing out the TX and RX worked. They cited using the Futuba 3PV radio, unsure of the exact receiver, but assume it to be Futuba as well. Also, I emailed Sense Hobby the other day to find out what exactly could cause issues with these units, no response yet.
@@frozenfist3360 Yeah, I tried that and it didn't work with the Castle stuff that's in this. It seems like the ESS likes cheap simple ESCs. Anything too fancy causes issues. I could run a second ESC and small Battery, but that's ridiculous. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
I've run into this problem as well. I'm using Spektrum smart 3, 5 and 6 channel receivers in my trucks and they work fine with the sound module. Where I've run into the issue is with smart ESCs that send telemetry through the throttle port on the receiver. It seems to mess with the ESS Dual's ability to get what it needs. I got this cryptic message back from Sense Innovations, who makes the ESS Dual: "There are some special mode in the transmitter. Please the special mode or S-BUS and it will work." If anyone can decipher what they are talking about, please let me know.
LMFAO. That probably makes sense in Chinese before piss-poor translation, lol. That's exactly what I suspected and have heard several times at this point. The ESS doesn't like the complicated signal for lack of a more technical way to phrase it. I've accepted the fact that if I want it to work, I need a new ESC. Thanks for watchin'! -"Angry" Dave
For anyone having trouble with spektrum esc.
You can can use this sound box but you need to have a Dx5 and set it up to run mixing between the throttle channel and a spare AUX channel. The esc smart technology doesn't send the signal you need out through the throttle y splitter because of this the box won't work but if you assign the box to a aux channel that is mixed with the throttle channel the receiver will send the signal to the sound system and you can keep your stock spektrum electronics. Hope this helps some of you.
I feel you anger dude, I am trying to put an ess dual on my super Baja Rey and I can't get it to work, I got some sound out of the speaker but it was crackling until I turned volume all the way down, so low I can't hear it over sbr motor and esc fan, but when I give it throttle speaker crackles then shut off until it's at idle sound, the sound is quite laggy compared to trigger pull, tire spin, then the sound comes till it crackles and shuts off, I tried on cheapo, 1/16 scale esc, same thing, used, 2s and 3s, nothing really made a difference, I was sound excited about this thing and now I can't get it to work, I got a jumper cable, and I'm gonna try a inline deans in my sbr with ec5, if that doesn't work I might try this ess on a hobbywing 1060 and see if it works, I will double check y cable for ess dual, I'm so f'ing pissed right now and I seen your video and I'm glad it's not me
It seems like the ESS Dual needs specific ESCs to work. It needs an ultra clean input signal with no other interference. It works like crap with Traxxas stuff cause the ESCs talk to the receiver on the signal wire. That communication dilutes the throttle input signal so it works like shit or not at all. I see a lot of success with the Hobbywing 1080, and I'v seen success with high-end stuff like Tekin. Castle makes a lot of Traxxas' stuff so I'd be cautious. It's too bad cause when it works it's a wicked sound kit. I might just put Traxxas OBA on this truck and put the dual on a trail rig. Thanks for watchin'. Stay safe. -"Angry" Dave
Tampon tech support sucks the worst. They stone wall me on every question, every time i call. I swear they tell their employees to just say "huh", "never heard of it" and "no" waste of time bothering with them on texh stuff. Foumd your video because my tampon stock audio system wont shut the fick up with its blinking bs. No sound, just Grrrrrrrr blinky blinky. What a pain
Yeah. They want you to use their OBA system, which would work. But I already have the ESS, so I'll just replace the Traxxas ESC with a Hobby Wing or something similar. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
Dude did you ever figure figure this shit out? I have 3 of those kits. The only one that gives me fuckery is in the Axial and the only way to turn it on is to hit fucking reverse. WTF? But once you do it works fine in forward. It's a crap shoot but if you haven't tried reverse which I doubt ehh. That blows dong. I have it on Traxxas, Castle and Axial ESCs and use it on Red Cat which is hobbywing. Well I hope you fixed it cause this makes no damn sense.
I honestly don't remember if I tried reverse, but I'll try it now just to sure. That would be fuckin' sweet if it worked. If it does I'll do a video. -"Angry" Dave
Did you get it fixed. I’m Having the same issue with a scx10 III
The ESC needs to be replaced. Thanks for watchin'! -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC which ones have you found that WONT work?
@@kint8516 So gar just the Traxxas VXL-6. -"Angry" Dave
Well I figured it out, for my situation at least. Cut that JST battery wire that is connected to the ess dual and reconnect it to a JR connection (or use a JR to JST adapter) just like the rest going into your receiver . Plug that directly into the battery slot on your receiver . Problem solved.
So you'r saying that the separate power source is the issue? Did you mean battery slot on your "ESC" or "servo". -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC sorry I just edited my original response. I meant receiver.
The issue was that red JST connection that is used to power the device just needs to be changed to a JR connection and plugged into your receiver. The one that comes with it takes up 2 slots in your receiver And you want it to take up only one with the JR. For whatever reason it wasn’t providing the right amount of power with JST. The other option is to use that adapter it came with and run it to a separate small 7.4v
@@TheBrownNinja408 Mine uses a separate 7.4v batt. But I'll try getting power the way you're describing and see what happens. I'd like to ditch the extra battery anyway. I'll hit you up if I have questions. If it works I'll do a video. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC that’s strange that it didn’t work being powered by the 7.4. Did you use that adapter with the dean’s connector to power from the 7.4?
@@TheBrownNinja408 No, I have a small LIPO with the JST connector. So it just plugs straight in. -"Angry" Dave
To late but you have to conect the ess dual to car battery one + and -- my work nice channel 2 the Y and all good
Got the TRX4 Defender (brandnew) with an ESS Dual+ (brandnew) installed as per instruction manual (micky-mouse as it is) and not a $#%^$ sound from it!!! Will try Dave's suggestions!!
That's odd. Everyone says it works in the TRX4. It still won't work in my UDR. I have another radio and receiver that I'm about to try. Thanks for the comments. -"Angry" Dave
My mistake.......it works great!!!! Was a faulty Y-lead they supplied and I did not check continuity.........#@$% stupid of me!!!
@@careloberholzer3719 LOL. Good to hear it's working. Changing my receiver got it to kind of work. It comes on, but not until half throttle or more. It won't idle, it's always got some rpm. And it doesn't react properly to input or shut off. The issue is the ESC. I had an XL5 that I used to test the system and it worked just fine. The VXL6 simply will not run that sound kit. Guess I need an ESC. -"Angry" Dave
Yea just went through that BS too
Same result
Sent it back
I'll make it work, eventually. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
Iknow just tried it on my DBXL-E 2.0 sod all put it in a small kyosho 1st time away it went fed up.
It's a nice sound kit, but's picky about where it works. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
I had my ess dual in my truck for 20min and blew a speaker out WTF.
WTF indeed! Thanks for watchin'! -"Angry" Dave
I need help no device on the pc all plug in usb port
Can you be more specific? -"Angry" Dave
Its all good need up date srry all good
@@myhobbyQc It needs a new ESC. Thanks! -"Angry" Dave
Hey Angry Dave I never trusted anybody that didn't cuss. God has nothing to do with it. But did u try max whites idea or did u get it to work some other way?
Me too. If you're too good to swear, stay away from me, lol. I changed the RX and TX and it got better, but still not right. It works AT ALL, which is an improvement. It takes more throttle input than it should to "start the engine", and the rpm response is obviously not quite right (won't go full throttle, won't always return to idle, doesn't react at all sometimes). I had it working perfectly even with the Traxxas RX, but with a different ESC. I think the problem is partially with both components AND inconsistent. Some people only have to change the RX, some have to change the ESC, some have to change both. I think I'll try Max's idea of "throttling" the voltage so that it's the correct level. If that doesn't work, I'll install a Traxxas OBA system that works with their stuff and put the ESS in a trail rig. Thanks a shitload for watchin'! -"Angry" Dave
of course traxxas doesnt acknowledge the ESS Dual sound device, why would they, its not produced or sold by them, they have nothing to gain by helping you with a product that they make no money on.
You're right. But they'd be smarter to make sure the list of cons for new buyers is as short as possible. "Doesn't work with best sound kit on the market" is probably a deal-breaker for many people. -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC a very large % of people change the stock electronics on their traxxas rigs, so the number of people with this issue is small enough that i dont think its hurts the brand. Also i would think itd be smart to take the time to do the research about an aftermarket item such as the ESS Dual and how will it works with your model before buying and installing. Proper research and diligence saves time, money and anger over issues such as this.
Agreed, but I did that and came up with nothing. So I bought it. It even comes with TRX4 specific brackets. It is obvious now that the only way around is to buy another brand of ESC. That's unfortunate, because aside from this I have never had a problem with Traxxas electronics. My Traxxas vehicles all still have their original ESCs and receivers (servos are a different story). I guess that eliminates Castle also, because they make the ESCs in question for Traxxas. I guess it would be good to find out if they're spec-building Traxxas' stuff or just reskinning. If they're spec-building, the Castle branded stuff might be OK. Thanks for the comments, keep watching. -"Angry" Dave
BTW it’s ‘E-S-S one’ not ‘esss’….
Who gives a shit. That takes longer to say. BTW, you used apostophes instead of quotation marks. If you're going to correct people, be correct yourself. -"Angry" Dave
@@AngryDavesADULTRC ha ha ha, those are not apostrophes they are single quotes
Fuckin A.