The First and Only Business Jet with an Afterburner
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This striking photograph captures the Garrett Falcon 20, a French business jet with a one-of-a-kind feature: an afterburner. In 1988, the aircraft served as a testbed for the United States Coast Guard. Known by the name, The Guardian, it was intended to be used in rescue and drug trafficking missions. The successful test flight used a Garrett TFE1042 engine. It also marked the first plane of its type using an afterburner.
The First and Only Narrator With an afterburner
Dude gives me a headache trying to keep up with what he is saying at 300 MPH
This channel has interesting stuff but the narrator ruins it.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dave Johnson It’s a computer generated voice reading off whatever they typed up for the video
😂😂😂
I've been in the aviation industry for 20 years and let me tell you this aircraft where years, years ahead of everyone else. They flew like fighter jets with great controls all push rods for redundancy and solid feel. They have variable geometry bell cranks that adjust the surface throws based on speed. They have artificial feel units to get a feeling for things when hydraulics are on. The fuselage skins were chemically milled to save weight. Main structural bulkheads were milled and pocketed. You never saw bad craftsmanship and quality was palpable. The electrical systems had removable PCBs to repair and replace complex circuitry. The landing gears were stout, certainly miles ahead of a citation even current generations. The early models even came with a drag chute for emergency purposes. The baggage compartment actually had a ladder you could use for maintenance or operations. Servicing was great and it didn't had a nasty skydrol based hydraulic system stripping the paint. The hydraulic system reservoirs were pressurized with bleed air to mantain a positive pressure in all attitudes. The avionics were all installed in the nose and due to the swing out design of the rack all the wiring was also accessible. They had a removable pressure plug to access the cockpit pedal areas as well. The cabin space was good and outfitters did a decent job on the interior. The window sizes were pretty good as well. The airplanes had a slat system for low speed operations that was also automatic and was seamless in its operation. Heavy inspections were intensive due to all the mechanical parts but flight controls had triple sometimes even quadruple safety in the moving hardware... simply unseen even in present times. I have the utmost respect for Dassault and his French team that made this product. They set the bar high and trust me, there's nothing out there like it today. I worked on F10, F20, F200, F50 and 900 series aircraft and hopefully in the future I'll be able to get my hands on later models to see the progress. Another aircraft that comes to mind when it comes down to systems is the Bombardier Challenger that has a nice redundant system. Gulfstream is what it is today thanks to its product support which is second to none. Hawkers are Hawkers, still there's something to be learned from them. Citations are flimsy but get the job done still. Learjets are fast little darts but very unforgiving for the mechanic and the pilot.
Wow
Epic
You're right dassault so make some Great Planes. I worked for falcon jet in Little Rock from the mid 80s through the mid 90s. The 10 series had very little composite material on the exterior. The 20 series was the same very little composite there. Another great feature about all of the Dasualt aircraft and that is they are all thoroughly acrobatic we had one test pilot that love to fly inverted with any model most especially the 50s. I started with the company 1986 in the fiberglass and plastic Department and soon worked my way into the job of troubleshooting are they Manufacturing Department which includes everything from paint play sheet metal cabinet shop wherever they had a problem I would end up working two or three 8 hour shifts because we had delivery time and date it was a great job as were most jobs out there but in about 8 years I reached burnout but I still think about that job to this day and they still pay me a retirement check every month!!!!
@@willsimpkins7278 awesome and I'm happy about your retirement pay. Companies nowadays are actually looking for ways how not to pay people and that is very dishonest. About the Falcons being aerobatic I did experience it myself on a 20....surely the pilots loved that as well👍
@@scavenom2008 yes sir that was a fantastic place to work as a Young Man. I sometimes wish I could have stayed there longer it just wasn't to be. But over the years I have kept up with the company. I really enjoyed your responses you obviously have a strong background in the subject.
Why is this guy speaking like he drank 10 cans of redbull consecutively
Or an eight ball of cocaine🤪🎸🎸
Far better then narrators that speak slow and pause to make the 10 min video
I seriously ran this video at .75 speed. I couldn't take it.
The Ritalin generation.
He prolly gunna end up shooting someone, reminds me of Hung Sui Cho
My dad worked at Garrett in the experimental engine department as an A&P and installed that engine on this Falcon 20. He has that very picture hanging in his house. Very cool!!!
North Korea wants to know your location
That's cool mate
Wow small world, Quite a coincidence.
Could you please ask him to write his recollections of that project down? How the Idea came to be, initial worries, early successes and final conclusions etc? Would be really awesome!
What was his name
“Hold onto your martini, were kicking on the afterburner.”
Hold my beer, watch this.
20 mm and your in the anti piracy operations . mount few hell fire missiles and you can take out aliens .
"Yeeeee Haaaaaaaaaa!"
"Ladies and gentlemen, be advised that the Global 6000 to your left is challenging us in a race... hold on to your asses, we are going full afterburner."
No, it’s Hold onto your martini we’re goin on a wild ride folks!
the narrator is talking like he has an afterburner on his mouth
Hahahhahahahahahahahahaha for real
@@mwengengona [3 Seconds PAUSE][0,5 Second BLABLABLABLABLA]
It's appreciated actually...I watch most videos on 1.25x or 1.5x anyway
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Timothy Lalli what is wrong with you
“The costs outweighed the benefits”. US fighter jet jocks: what cost?
Fuel cost
Us military: what benefits?
They cant fly as slow or as long as a turboprop though.
Most likely just couldn't carry enough fuel to make much use of the after-burner's option.
Still pretty cool though.
@@joesel85 And fuel quantity!
Haha my wife heard me listening to Dark Docs and without knowing the subject material she remarked: "That person's voice sounds perfect for videos about government conspiracies and black ops projects." I laughed quite heartily afterwords and informed her that I was indeed watching such a program.
Cory Stephen , you are not a conspiracy theorist , you are a conspiracy “analyst” lol
That, or voice weird medical complications and deaths
Redacted
DATS A REEALLY SMART GIRL U GOT FOR URSELF !!! :D
you are a conspiracy wackist
Literally, "business in the front, party in the back".
C.V. Lindo Parado we’ve got a winner here folks.
hahahha EXACTLY
Mullet 😂
So cool how this video included the beginning of the Dassault Falcon Business Jet program. Still an active program today.
The 900 is a sweet ride
@@leefithian3704 that thing, with it's 3 engines, takes off like a *rocket!*
The 2000EX is a sexy looking bird, with those curvy winglets.
@@davecrupel2817 Seconded. The 2000EX is alot quieter than the 900, too.
@@ObsidianShadowHawk bahhh.
Give me a noisy 900!
I'm the complete opposite of people when it comes to noise abatmeent.
The louder, the better.
A few years ago, i saw an old Saberliner 40 take off. Not too many of those old.jets around anymore. That puppy had it's original *turbojet* engines on it. 0 sound insulation :)
Thundered like Thor Himself was flying that plane.
No jet has been able to match that yet. :/
I see the dassault falconX tristars every day and they sound soooo damn good
What in the f*** is everybody hating on his narrating, it sounds good to me. Conscisive, straight to the point.
And what you think is what you know
I must run fast you're running slow
Agreed. No need to knock this narration.
I've always heard people from the south talk slower, and they think northerners talk too fast, I wonder if that's what it is, let's do a survey.
I'm from Pa. and I think he talks fine.
Yeahitsalsofinewithme
Fiejwithme
It’s pretty bad this time.
Executives: “What kind of tunes do you have?”
Pilot: **Slides danger zone into a cassette**
The first jet I ever flew. Handled like a fighter. Loved it
I flew this model with the Coast Guard, although I must have left the service (in late ‘87) before the afterburner test was conducted,. I have no knowledge of such a program. I would think such a modification would have little practical real world use. The plane’s normal endurance of about 5 hours would have been greatly reduced with the use of the afterburners due to greatly increased fuel burn (and added engine weight). I don’t seem to recall that the plane’s short field takeoff performance was that much of an issue, certainly not to the point that afterburners were sorely missed. The plane was plenty fast as delivered....about 350 kts on the surface up to about .78M at altitude. More useful, in my mind, would have been the addition of thrust reversers to the Garrett ATF-3 engines. Instead, we had to rely on a drag chute in short field landing situations. The plane was well-built, fast and fun to fly. I and my crew managed to save a few lives with that plane.
Could this have been at all helpful in an interdiction mission? How many times did you guys miss the suspect airplane because you couldn't get there in time for the drop or landing? In any event, they never did follow through with anything more than the test.
operator0 I’m skeptical of this from the very beginning. I never heard of any such tests. Furthermore, the plane depicted with the red racing stripe is not one of the planes delivered to the CG as it lacks the many modifications performed by Grumman once the airframe arrived in the US, most notably the very large search windows on each side of the fuselage.
Further down in the thread, another poster reveals that this was a Garrett test platform, done at their PHX plant with one of their own airframes. I don’t think the CG had anything to do with this.
Wow! Very cool.
I am an avgeek btw :)
As a long time employee of Dassault here in the US I have worked on every model including the HU-25. One thing the company does is encourages the learning of the companies heritage. Marcel Bloch (Dassault) was an interesting figure in aviation history and a treasure to aviation as a whole. It would be very cool to see a modern video depicting both him and his company’s achievements
Could you fill us in on the real facts about the afterburner. I doubt the Coast Guard had anything to do with it.
I can dig further but part of the agreement with the coast guard was that they maintained full control of the aircraft and improvements after delivery. When they did ask DA for help it was more for structural substantiation for various weights and loads of their modifications, and aerodynamic review in the Merignac wind tunnel. Sad there is only 2 HU-25’s left, operated by NASA. All have been scrapped or made into artificial reefs.
First, thank you guys for making a solid airframe. We had no serious mishaps.
The Coast Guard airframes were worn out due to the numerous presurization cycles each mission demanded. Some rivet seams were weeping black oxide; this was front top forward well away from engine exhaust. Then there was the bag of potato chips in my box lunch that was about to explode on a high altitude ferry flight. It saved us all from being a smoking hole in the ground.
A poster from Garret stated that the after burner had nothing to do with the Coast Guard and happened out West. Wish I could point to the original post.
The plane in the photo does not have a Coast Guard Stripe. It is just a plain diagonal red stripe. The plane is also missing the large crew search windows on the side. At first I thought it was just bad photo shop work.
We wore those Falcon 20s out.
I started working for AiResearch in 1968 and retired not quite two years ago. As Tim mentioned, the 1042 was tested on a Falcon because AiResearch had a couple of bizjets that they used to fly back and forth from LAX (the little terminal on the south side), so it was a relatively simple matter to use one of them as a test bed. There was never any plan to put the 1042 on anything but the IDF (Taiwan fighter). The Coast Guard continued to use the ATF-3 and was the only customer for that extremely complicated engine that was originally developed for a high-altitude government mission -- the Compas-Cope I think it was called. Either way, it was interesting to see this. I made 22 trips to Taiwan between '86 and '93 to support my pieces of the IDF program -- the APU/EPU (IPS) and the AMADs. Good times.
Although we had a number of Falcon retrofits we used for business travel, this was a dedicated Experimental Category Test Bed. I suspect that is your employee number ;)
And I too was in Taiwan a lot in that time period.
Flawless French pronunciation without missing a beat, am impressed.
When you're sipping champagne and you hear "Fox 3!"
Funny you should say that. It was either Iran or Iraq that put missiles on a falcon 50.
"The First and Only Business Jet with an Afterburner"
Hold my beer....
And?
This is so cool to find out, I’ve worked with Falcons for like 5-6 years now, wonderful aircraft!
I worked on this program and also have this picture on the wall. The engine was tested for the Taiwan Indigenous
Fighter. The hopper tanks would let you light the burner, but the fuel lines could not keep it fed
Hey man my dad has the same photo signed by the pilot! What years did you work cause my dad did corporate auditing and process engineering at allied form like 87-95
@@daniellkirkland1553 I was there 85-95 before I went back to Learjet Flight Test
And on to glory with the likes of Darden Hamilton who became state senator ;)
Falcon 20....what a plane. Built like a tank. The nose gear seemed to be milled from a tree trunk sized piece of metal.
A cargo Falcon 20 had a dual engine flameout right after takeoff due to birds in Ohio....landed in a field....pilots walked away.
Cessna would just crash XD
The narration is a perfect speed. Why do many people want this 'dumbed down'??
if they want to slow the narration down they could just slow the vid down to .75x
“It served as a test-bed for the US Coast Guard.... ... it was intended to be used in rescue and drug-trafficking missions.”
Drug trafficking? Is that how the US Coast Guard is funded, these days ?
It's insane haha
Since all the tax money goes to the Air Force, the other branches of the military are being forced to find new sources for their funding...
Its how the CIA has always been funded- at least the illegal programs they don’t want congress to ever find out about.
Haha. He must've meant "Anti drug trafficking missions".
Marcus Langendorff - Yes. I would be inclined to agree but I thought it was amusing.
You and Mark Felton should have a channel called War Nerd Central. Love this stuff!
Wouldn't that channel be Dark Felton?
Bart Foster darth felton
Yessss
They are peers no doubt. 2 of the best on these type of channels on these subjects. They put the history channel to shame.
Mark is a legend
Worked on falcons, and a few 20,s (all with 731’s) for a time as an A/P. Definitely the best French built thing I’ve ever seen. There manuals for the 900’s and up are spectacular, not a bad plane to work on either.
I used to work for Garrett Aviation back in the late 90's as an aircraft mechanic.
Worked on mostly Learjet, Gulfstream and Falcons. Falcons were some of the hardest aircraft to work on.
They were built like tanks though.
Nearly all screws were of a curved-slotted type even the fairings. Its like a curved-flathead.
Took longer to take apart and put things back together. Screw driver would slipout and dance along the surface scratching the paint.
Many screws stripped easily.
Engine mounts were over-engineered according to many of us Aircraft Mechanics.
As a testament to its design we had to repair bird-strike damage to the leading edge of a wing. It went through the leading edge and put a big hole in the forward spar but the wing still operated safely.
The CG didn't fit the 1042 for testing this was done at the Garrett Airesearch plant in Phoenix. The aircraft used was a flying testbed and was used in testing the engine performance in various flight profiles.
The fuel system and afterburner was a Garrett product with pumps and controls by Dowty.
I worked on the afterburner spray bars and fuel nozzles.
Eugene Cupps was the company photographer that took the picture of the ac in burner. N200GT registration has been decertified.
Correct!
“The plane was later modified and renamed falcon 200” *shows a Falcon 2000*
Phillip Starnes Did you see the Gulfstream? lol
@@VoluntaryPlanet This channel is notorious for inserting random footage/pictures totally unrelated to the topic.
@@UnknownUzer That is one of the reasons I can't subscribe. The channel has as much misinformation as it does good information. Some of the footage and tech is really interesting, but the glaring errors make it unwatchable at times.
@@patrickneale7378 I hear ya. I'm subbed but i know not to take the images, or information for the matter, as gospel. Most people would not know the difference either way and I think they rely on that.
No, that's not a Falcon 2000. The 2000 was developed in the early 1990s and was powered by the CFE738 which was a joint venture engine between GE and AlliedSignal. I was the Manufacturing Director for CFE Co.
If i were Elon, I'd buy a business jet with an afterburner.
Elon would just -make- that shit.
Or just buy a fighter jet from Lockheed or the black market
If I were him
*I would go all out and buy a Concorde*
Elon buy *Blackwater* and do what he wants
He should have his own design built.
When I was twelve I put rocket engines on my bike , 4 - D6’s .
I put some on my skateboard and tried it out on Sepulveda Blvd. In LA and got busted by the police. I was 13 or 14 years old. My parents were extremely angry and I was scared shitless but, it was worth it and I'd do it again if I was young!
4 - D6s would take a model rocket pretty high
Roll 4d6 for top speed
I put a B-6-4 on a plastic army truck it went everywhere.
when i was 9 i attached a sugar rocket on an rc car. haven't found it to this day....
Noise control:Imma ban you for being loud
No one:
Coastguard: No problem imma just retrofit my plane with afterburner
What's really wild is the production engine fitted to the Coast Guard's HU25. Garrett's one-of-a-kind ATF-3 engine was completely closed at the back and exhausted halfway down the side of the engine into the fan duct. The enclosed cone on the back of the engine was taken up with accessories.
You made that up for the unknowing didn't you.
Exactly right! The airflow went forward and then back. I worked on these and overhaul was a filthy job.
@@flycatchful No. It's just really jarring to see a Falcon equipped with an engine with no apparent exhaust duct. CG aircrew loved watching folks try to figure it out.
Mark out West I believe that the ATF3 was originally designed for high altitude drones.
Was used for the Tacit Blue project also
"Intended to be used in drug trafficking operations..."
Shhhhhh that
I remember when the coast guard station in san diego had some of these, the station was separated from the airport by a very busy main road, and they would actually stop traffic like you were at a rail crossing allowing these jets to taxi from the station, across the road, and onto airport property so they could take-off. Definitely do not see that much anymore
Hey, they do that every day at Gibraltar. The runway of the international airport crosses the main north-south road and they use RR Xing type gates to allow pedestrians and cars to cross the runway in between landings and takeoffs. As I understand it, the British are building a tunnel to bypass the runway, but it's way behind schedule and way over budget, currently on year 5 of construction.
Heathrow airport has traffic lights on the perimeter road that stops.traffic to allow jets to cross from one of British Airways maintenance hangers onto the airport. Once when out jogging I had to wait at the lights as Concorde crossed. I had to cover my ears as they also had a deafening siren running to make sure everyone was aware of what was happening. Also on Gibraltar the main road crosses the runway and I also had to wait there at the traffic lights as a jet took off.
The Coast Guard used to love them
Even without afterburner, this aircraft is really nice to fly and such a beautiful design !
6:18 The engine looks too small to fit the afterburner from an RM 8B because it is f***ing huge.
Edit: Ok, so it wasn't the afterburner from Viggen, just an afterburner from Volvo Flygmotor who were part of the project initially but then left to focus on the engine for Gripen.
The last time I saw a Falcon was on a dirt road in Columbia.
Next to a burning Gulfstream.
You sure it wasn't a King Air?
Phenomenal bird. The Coasties also fly the French H-65 Dolphin. This is most certainly a plane of fame. Great job.
Not only is this channel bringing stuff to the table that i never had any imagination ever took place but the way he narrates his stuff gives it an even more authentic and mysterious vibe to it. Well done you just earned another subscriber sir.
Captain to first officer:
Chewie turn on the hyperdrive
Content is fine, I just cant abide the breathless, portentous commentary.
Described it better than I ever could. Thank you.
Agreed.
Ikr man speaking hella quick
I had to put the speed at 0.75x and it’s perfect
Lmao he's trying his best.
Idk what yall are talking about. This guy speaks as fast as all these youtubers should. Only facts. Straight to the point. No time wasting.
TSMT
(Note : Thats an abbreviation for "This, so much this")
I worked at Garrett at the time of the prorgram and afterburner test. The test purpose was to demonstrate the afterburner and engine combo for the IDF program. My division was responsible for the afterburner actuation system.
You worked with Malia Leach at some point then...
'For those times when the drug deal has gone bad and it is really time to go'.
So is this where Disney got the idea for the elastigirl’s jet for the 1st The Incredibles movie?
The movie takes place in around the same year, so yeah
The narrator is speaking so well that I didn't even need to play this at 2x speed.
I can just imagine the warning system spamming overspeed.
Imagine a current Falcon 900 with 3 long afterburner plumes ... would look like Battlestar Galactica Vipers!
That would be a sight to behold.
It’s so refreshing to hear someone speak at a decent rate. If he talks too fast for you, it’s because your brain sucks.
I see a lot of people complaining about your voice speed but I just want you to know that I’m thankful for how much information you can convey in such little time and I don’t have any problem understanding
The aircraft depicted in the thumbnail is N200GT (S/N: 137). This is a Falcon 20 that was operated by Garrett/AlliedSignal/Honeywell as a flying test bed primarily for business jet engines. The after burning engine shown in the very dramatic photo is the TFE1042 which was designed originally for a Taiwanese indigenous fighter program. The right hand engine is a Garrett ATF3. This particular airframe was used exclusively to test propulsion systems such as the TFE1042, TFE731-5, -60 and -50. The test engine was installed on the left hand side. I believe there is an earlier comment posted by the son of one of our outstanding A&P mechanics, Terry Dillon. N200GT was a very highly modified Falcon 20. For instance she had 5 hydraulic pumps (two on the No. 2 engine and one on the No. 1 engine [test engine]). There were two electric hydraulic pumps as well. One of the first projects that I was involved with (FTE) on the aircraft was an evaluation of nacelle acoustic modifications in conjunction with NASA. This was one of the first applications evaluating nacelle chevrons. We also tested a variable area exit nozzle.
Someone has to set the record straight ;)
As a coast guard veteran all I have to say is go coast guard
I never imagined that the Coast Guard would undertake such an experiment - fitting what is originally a business jet with an afterburner! I mean, the Air Force, Navy or Marines, but the U.S. Coast Guard, with its severely limited budget!?
The rest of the US military has real jets. This was a lot cheaper than actual military aircraft.
I don't think the Coast Guard did... if you look at that photo, there are no CG markings, and the airframe carries a civilian registration, not military. At any rate, the entire project was to test the engine, not a plan to equip Falcon with it. Rewatch the video...
@@BKD70 It has the coast guard racing stripe on it and may not have been fully decaled as it was a test bed.
@@BKD70 Could be. In any event, the video raises more questions. For instance, who funded the project? What thrust was achieved? What was the potential speed? What was the real speed achieved? In any event, it is sad that the USCG put the Falcon to pasture, in favor of a much slower turboprop plane.
FWIW: I was in the Coast Guard, and worked on Falcons at Air Station Miami {at Opa Locka Airport} for most of 1988 - 1995.
I have seen the thumbnail photo for this video. AFAIK, the USCG had nothing to do with test flying a Falcon with afterburner equipped engines.
I may have known at one time MORE about this research, but after 24+ years I do not remember anything else.
Listened at 1.5x like all other videos, could hear fine. Keep up!
Well it has the distinction of being only the third civilian aircraft to have an afterburner, after the Concorde and TU-144
Ewan Douglas do you know whether this plane is able to go supersonic?
@@blueorange8532 Possibly, although since the falcon isn't designed for the forces of that level of flight, I doubt they would try it.
I think I have found my way back to the good side of the internet.
You have
The picture of the 1042 mounted on the falcon 20 was only running the pilot core of the after burner. The plane belonged to Garrett and not the coast guard it was commonly used to test engines on the left side matter of fact that was the planes sole purpose. Running full afterburner would have torn the plane apart they were only testing flight worthiness of the pilot core section. The atf3 was developed for the coast guard as a fuel efficient engine using three compressor core. Unfortunately it had a bad habit of the third core stalling something pilot’s kinda got used to.. I worked for four years on the 1042 project training the Chinese on the electrical and EEC systems. Your misinformed reporting has lead people to believe the coast guard wanted a plane with an AB engine on it. I’m also a coast guard veteran that would appreciate accurate reporting.
It was actually a fuel flow delivery limitation that limited the afterburner light off to high altitude only.
This made me smile as soon as I saw the thumbnail.
Still flying our second "vintage" 20-5BR and will continue to operate with that aircraft for another 4-5 years.
I never knew that. Interesting!
Ummm I want an afterburner on my Cessna 172, alas the speed would destroy the airframe :(
You can have an afterburner on a 172, fit a turbo and an antilag system 😂
I dunno, a few titanium patches....you might get away with it.
Negative. Confirmation needed. A prototype is called for 😃👍🐦
I suppose you could strap on some JATOs. You might need an extra wing strut and some structural work, but I bet someone could make it fly :)
Just eat Taco bell. Thats some after burn
this music is so uplifting
I got to see one of these in a demonstration at an airshow a few years before they retired.
I also got to see one make a high speed, low altitude pass over my house headed out into the gulf
Interesting story. Except that the image shown at 5:09 right after the caption "Testing" is not that of a Falcon 20. It's an image of a Grumman Gulfstream.
This hurt me. I despise large cabin Gulfstreams. Such an uncivilized brute.
You are correct.
As well as 1:59 mentioning a Falcon 200, when the picture shown is a Falcon 2000.
@@MOTO809 Yes, there are actually a number of instances of research and production laziness evident here, where visuals inconsistent or untrue to the theme subject were used, apparently as background "filler" for the narrative. Such production techniques detract from the integrity of the facts presented by the narrative, and I only pointed out what I thought was the most egregious example of this.
A Falcon 2000 shown when you should be showing the Falcon 200 that you were talking about, 2000 and 200 two completely different aircraft.
My Grandpa flew a Falcon 10 towards the end of his career for MoPac. Much earlier in his career he was the Chief Mechanic on the Bell X1 which Chuck Yeager flew to break the sound barrier for the first time.
That's really cool
“How fast do you want your private jet to go?”
Me: Yes 🛩
The aircraft that almost sank USS Stark with two Exocet missiles was a Falcon 50
I don't believe this to be correct. If I recall correctly, the aircraft was an Iraqi Mirage F1. Both, the F1 and the Falcon are build by Dassault but are still very different jets.
Eric L. .... that’s what I read. I haven’t researched it
Eric L. I’ve read two different accounts of this incident, and one states it was a Mirage F1, while the other states it was originally identified as a Mirage F1 that turned out to be a modified Falcon 50. There’s newspapers that say it was a Falcon, but it all seems mixed. I’m just going to say no one seems to know for sure at this point.
Eric R .... reportedly the pilot was executed. I do recall the government of Iraq quickly accepted responsibility for the attack
Another video described how a mirage nose cone was fitted to a falcon as part of the missile system installation, so said the internet....it sounded plausible
The Coast Guard recently replaced those with the C-144. Looks like a two engine mini C-130. More practical for their needs.
The C-144 is way more practical but with the 4 hour duration of the HU-25 we were always home for dinner.
They have been retired also?
Awesome! Thanks for condensing this video into the first 27 seconds for us. Saved me a ton of time.
First woman to "break the speed record". WHAT speed record. The amount of research that goes into these vids could fit in into a wineglass. Un petit verre à vin.
0:50 very good pronunciation of "Breguet Mystère XX" (I am French), although at 1:15 the name is Jaqueline Auriol (along the lines of "oreo" + "oil")
I always find your videos interesting, but I should point out that although your information are always (generally) correct, you often, very often, do not put pictures or video clips that are exactly related (for example a Gulfstream at 5:08); maybe a caption with the credits or description would be helpful to distinguish documents that are directly related to the subject of the video from documents that are only an illustration?
In the description of his main channel it says, "As images and footage of actual events are not always available, Dark Docs sometimes utilizes similar historical images and footage for dramatic effect," but in this case it's this channel.
lxndrlbr If he doesn’t pronounce the “r” right there is absolutely no reason for him to pronounce the “au” right
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At 05:08 in this video: That is DEFINITELY a Gulfstream 3 {G3} or later jet, NOT a Falcon.
The G1 was a twin turboprop. The G2 was a jet {with turbojet or turbofan engines} but no winglets. AFAIK the G3 was the first version to have wingtip winglets {and I PRESUME turbofan engines}.. I am NOT that familiar with Gulfstreams to visually identify G4's or later versions....
Interesting, but factually flawed regards the "Coast Guard" and any interest in the TFE-1042. The F-20 that is pictured did indeed fly with the TFE-1042 but while featuring a similar paint-scheme, the airplane was a Garrett owned test-bed, not a USCG "Guardian" and was based out-of Garrett's Phoenix, Arizona flight-test facility. The USCG F-20 application (and, later the civil Falcon 200) were powered by the Garrett ATF-3 turbo-fan, (incidentally test flown on the same Garrett F-20 during development). The ATF-3 was itself a somewhat unique three-spool engine.
Chad Haring?
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I am retired USCG and worked and crewed on the HU-25 as a Dropmaster and Structural Mechanic for the last 7 years of my 21-year military career and this is the first I have ever heard of this program. Wow
Criminal minds must have this jet, traveling nation wide weekly!
Great video!
Was just thinking that. The CZcams algorithm strikes all of us at the same time. The comments are minutes apart but nobody searched for this video!
@@bluenessaja for reals. One people under the All Mighty Algorithm!
One of the pics was actually of a Gulfstream 4.
Gulfstream III, not a IV. NASA has IIIs.
@@chuck7299 Correct. Another way to identify is the skinny nacelles compared to the fatter ones on the G IV.
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Yep, I'm aware. I've worked in aviation since the GIII was new on the market lol.
@@chuckgray8867 That's really cool man! I've been in the industry for almost 11 years. Had the pleasure of seeing a G1 a few times.
It’s a “sleeper” jet plane!
I understand using afterburner for commercial and business jet is inefficient, but damn seeing this plane blasting the afterburner is so SEXY!
Can you imagine walking down the isle when the sign says Stay Seated, as the afterburners ignite?
Between the Guardian and the Dolphin, the USCG learned a hard lesson about buying French.
Sure did - the Falcon's only flew for 30 years and Dolphins ain't going anywhere after 30 years as well.
why is the voice accelerated ? It's hard to listen too.
It's not accelerated, the guy had a Falcon to catch ...
If you do accelerate the voice by changing the playback speed, he sounds like a South Park character.
@@greecoboost I think that's what he's actually doing: He has a deeper voice and plays back accelerated. Sound like he's trying to swallow his tongue...
Because
Afterburners
Because of Cocaine Hydrochloride.
The black and white photo of the MYSTERE 20 at 0:58 has 2 Pratt and Whitney JT12's on it. you can tell by the souring eagle painted by the inlet of the engine. It is not the engine that PAN AM went with for there builds, but that is the engines installed on that plane.
It just looks so damn good.
I suddenly have a strange idea: small country will buy an afterburner-equipped Dassault business jet and carry Exocet missiles as navy patrol aircraft...besides Iraq during Saddam period..
There are so many holes in this report, I had to stop watching. I'm having a hard time believing some of the things I didn't know about. The U.S. Coast Guard never operated the Falcon 20. They took countless deliveries of 200's. I've got blue prints for almost every single one.
These comments are “outrageously” awesome and sometimes quite entertaining! “Thanks” (Elmer Fudd)
Steven, you're right. I even had the fortune of seeing a wrecked CG Falcon 200 nearly 10 years ago when I first started working in the aviation industry. It sat on our ramp for several months after the nose gear collapsed during landing.
The may have been 200's but even the Coast Guard would informally call them Falcon 20's. My brother was a member of the Coast Guard team that designed and implemented the avionics during the later half of the 1970's, the work was done on airframe(s) based at the US Air Force base in Little Rock, Ar. The Coast Guard had at least one craft for about seven years before they went into full service.
@@robertkohler4173 Those things were so modified they had a passing resemblance to a 20 & 200. They were not able to be sold on the commercial market after they were retired because of the mods. I still have a closet full of these special models that were made for the Coast Guard.
These “comments” seem to come from people who “really” know what is going on! These videos are good to watch though, even if there is a little “propaganda” in them!
As the son of a retired Dassult employee .....WOW , there was several times in the vid where I went I remember my dad telling me about this one, and this one , the FedEx one....laughs , we spent 20 minutes in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum talking to passerby's about how it was made, and several of the other ones I would lay $$ on him knowing things that no one else would know, all in all good vid and will share it with him shortly!
I seen one of these coast guard Falcons in the early 1990s zipping by at low altitude at Coney Island..... BADASS!
The Americans fitted a Dassault Guardian with afterburners
The Irakis fitted a Dassault Falcon with Exocet anti ship missiles (they eventually struck a US Navy ship with it, by the way).
If a Dassault bizjet can do this, fear what a Dassault Rafale can do.
1:58 shows a Falcon 2000 not 200, big difference. 5:10.... Gulfstream III not Falcon again, big difference! Good video aside from the technical mistakes and weird digital voice.
That’s not a computer generated voice,my dude!
I was gonna say the same two things but knew there'd be someone else here with a discerning eye. 👍
Yep, that's a 2000EX.
LOL! The Falcon HU-25. We used to call it the chicken because it sat on the ground broken more than it flew. There was a picture going around the Coast Guard of an H-53 helicopter sling loading a Falcon jet with the caption "The only up Falcon in the Coast Guard". The plane did have a good avionics package but what good was it when it could not get off the ground.
As someone fascinated by the HU-25, this is really cool to see.
"it was intended to be used in rescue and drug trafficking missions"
That was the CIA-owned planes.. 🙄🤫
GTA AF
Coast guard is CIA’s favourite branch
why do you have to speak so fast and eat your words at the same time?
I think it's actually sped up slightly
I love the narration speed! Please don’t stop being you
This inspired me to install a Scram Jet on my Lawnmower
One thing missing from the vid: what were they attempting to achieve with this? I don’t think the Falcon could break the sound barrier, and and fighter-level acceleration is not really needed here, so apart from the massive fuel burn..... why?
They might have wanted it for acceleration and climb rate, seeing as how these things were used for drug interdiction. I could envision a scenario where these things would be scrambled from a base when a violation occurs.
Agreed. This video was short on substance. A 6 minute breakdown of the Falcon 20 and 10 seconds about the plane that used the afterburner.
Sorry mate, I like your videos, but I feel this was a bait and switch. Down voted.
Ya gotta admit though, you'd want one if you had that kind of dosh. I know I would. A supersonic business jet would be pretty cool. Maybe not a Falcon cos they're pretty old now, but imagine fitting a LearJet or a Gulfstream with a couple of F119s from an F-22. Now THAT would be cool. "Helm - take us to Warp 9". Imagine a couple of F18 Navy pilots - "Wait what? Was that a LEAR JET?" LOL.
Most of the good business jets are capable of Mach 0.9 and higher, so supersonic wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them anyway. They're mostly built to stay under Mach 1 for noise reasons, not lack of capability. Belting across the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans at Mach 2 could certainly have it's advantages, from a business perspective. Jet engine tech has improved hugely, a few are now capable of supercruise, with more to come. Mach 1.8 and sips fuel? It'd a big hell yes from me.
The Falcon was not supersonic.
Please tell me they dubbed that particular plane The Millenium. . .
The cadance of the narration is so god damn grating. Never been able to make it through one of these even on my favorite topics.
Let's not be late to that meeting ever again!