American Reacts French Monarchs Family Tree | Charlemagne to Napoleon III
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Technically, the French monarchy started at the beginning of the 6th century with Clovis I, king of the Franks
yep the first king of the Francs, 481. France started his history as a "country". His kingdom were mostly in actual Belgium at the time
Not eh, the nephews of Charlemagne
Franks are not french, but where you study history?! 😂😂
@@riccardosebis5333, in a better place than you obviously. France consider Clovis 1st as his first king and his foundation with his reign.
@@MedusaLegendwell france is cringe if you really think clovis and the merovingians dinasty was anything remotely french is like saying William of normandy was english 😂😂😂
I'd like to add that Charlemagne is not considered the first "king of "France. He's one of those illustrious "kings of France" but this award goes to Clovis three hundred years before (a Merovingian). Also, he's the reason why so many French kings are called Louis, because "Clovis" became "Louis" over the centuries.
And Carolingians and Caroleans are two different things lol.
You've confused Sicily and Sardinia.
I went through the French education system.. I did not express myself very well. French schoolkids do not know much at all about the complex line of Monarchy back to Charlemagne.. They know about some notorious kings/queens, but the system focuses upon the post-Monarchy of the revolution, and what it brought (and still brings) to France. I don't think I confused Sicily and Sardinia.. It is as you can see it is a hugely complex line of succession, with many twists and turns. (By the way, most French people literally adore the British Queen Elizabeth)
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Do you feel alright ? Need some help maybe ?
@@lahire4943 I am well thankyou. My education in France was a very long time ago. I am recounting my impressions from this time. My impression of French students at schools today doing their Bac is that they know little of their Monarchical history. That is what I was attempting to say. Their historical learning focuses more upon the period of the Revolution and its aftermath. I am fully prepared to defer to your greater knowledge on this regard.
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I don't understand what you're talking about and why you're talking to me.
@@lahire4943 My apologies, I replied to you in error... the texts I sent you ought to have gone to another subscriber. Again my apologies for the inconvenience.
They jumped From King Robert to his son-in-law because the kingship was elective, and not automatically inherited. Hugh was a bit younger than Rudolph and maybe didn't have an independent powerbase at the time.
Hugh was never interested in the crown. He'd rather stay Count of Paris. That's because at the time the king had little to no power (it was peak feudal era). But his sister Emma wanted the crown, so he agreed to support his brother-in-law.
Fun fact, Robert was considered to be an illegitimate king, so for the longest times kings didn't even wanted to recognize him as king, even though they were his direct descendants. You can look at books about French kings from the reign of Louis XIV and in it, Robert would be a footnote, while Robert II would simply be called Robert.
The nicknames were invented before regnal numbers. It was easier to give them a nickname so that when you said:
"Hey you remember King William?"
"Which one?"
"the Conqueror"
"Oh, him! Yes, I do."
Also with nicknames that were disrespecting, few used those in front of the Monarch. For example William I of England was also known as William the Bastard as his mother was commoner who was not married with his father, but you can be sure no-one called King William that to his face, as he obviously preferred to be known as "The Conqueror" rather then as "The Bastard"
Also some of those disrespecting nicknames were something the Monarch came to be known as after their reign.
In case of Charles the Fat IIRC that name was given to imply he was rather lazy and not a very good king by his enemies, though I could be wrong here.
@@SampoPaalanen actually is true name was Guillaume the bastard but then change his name for a more british name.... And is normal seem he become king of England.
@@angellove91150 Well obviously a French person will use the French version of that name, but people are more familiar with "William" then the original name.
@@SampoPaalanen Yes totally agreed but i think it was right for him to do it to show in a way respect to british peoples.... Cause i imagine that it was hard to accept on the throne a man that didn't even belong to the country.
which one ?
the second !
o,h the fat one ! yeah i remember him
Before Charlemagne, what is now France was under the rule of another dynasty, the Merovingians. The first kings of that dynasty were legendary and were supposed to rule in the IVe century. Clodion the Hairy is the first king we have proofs of his real existence. He was the grand grand-father of Clovis, the first Frank king who united the Frank kingdoms in 481. They lost the power because of their tradition to create separate kingdoms when the king died to make of all his sons a king. With time the real power ended in the hands of a rich family who ruled effectively the lands as a kind of prime minister. Chilpêric III was the last merovingian king. his prime minister sent a message to Rome saying "Hey pope, the king has a crown but no power and my family has the power but no crown. Isn't it a bit unfair ?" The pope : " well, better for the one having the power to have a crown. But do whatever you want dude, it's not my concern." The prime minister then took the crown and sent the former king to a monastery. He then became the founder of the second dynasty, the Caroligians and his grand son was Charlemagne. They lost in turn the power in 987 for good. Today, the Merovingians are fully extinct.
I discoverd your channel recently and, as I'm french I really enjoy seeing your reactions to our history haha
on the subject of French royalty, did you know that Catherine of Valois (who was married to Henry V of England and great grandmother to Henry VIII) lay unburied for over 400 years and was for a time seen as some sort of tourist curiosity in which people would pay to view her corpse. In the 1800s students were even stealing body parts and when she was finally laid to rest - all of her teeth, all bar one rib and various other bones had been stolen. She had been embalmed upon death and her legs were never viewed / touched etc so when Queen Victoria arranged for her final burial physicians noted that he legs still had flesh and were supple.
Napoléon III and his wife Emperess Eugénie had a son who died in Africa by local tribes. Today the Bonaparte candidate for the imperial throne of France is a descendant of Napoleon's younger brother Jérôme Bonaparte, King of Westphalia (1807-1813). He is name Jean-Christophe Napoléon Bonaparte, aka Napoléon VII. His mother is a Bourbon from Sicily and his wife is a Habsburg.
As for Louis XVI mother she was a german noble Marie-Josèphe of Saxony.
La emperatriz Eugenia, era una dama de la nobleza española de Sevilla, Eugenia de Montijo.
El heredero a la Corona Francesa legitimista, descendiente de Luis XIV, es el español Alfonso de Borbón y Franco.
Cada año se celebra una fiesta en su honor en París .
Sardina is the Italian island near corsica not sicily Connor
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Aside from the fact that these names were likely given to them after they died, at that time "fat" wasn't really an insult.
In fact, for a long time, at least in Europe, being fat was seen as attractive as it was a testimony to the wealth of a person (as in "They had the wealth necessary to, you know, not starve and instead live a lavish life at a time were food wasn't as over abundant as it is now").
Being fat was indeed seen as a symbol of wealth but was not seen as being attractive, there's a nuance.
Plus, you have to consider that in htose times a lot of important people had the same name. So there were a lot of different Charles' and Louis' so to differentiate between them the people gave them those added names like "the fat" or "the bald" - obviously the kings and emperors didn't give themselves those added names...
France was not following Salic law until the death of Louis X.
When he died, his daughter princess Jeanne should have been crowned the queen of France.
But the 3 daughters-in-law of Philip IV have been caught with their lovers in a tower called Nesle Tower (the affair of the Tower of Nesle). So nobody knew if Jeanne was the daughter of Louis X or the daughter of the lover.
So they found an obscure law from another part of the Frank empire and decided to deploy it in France: only sons could inherit the throne.
Therefore, Jeanne didn't become the queen but her uncles became kings. When both of them died without any son (only daughters), they crowned the next boy in line for the throne.
But they had all forgotten one thing. Philip IV also had a daughter Isabelle who by then was the Queen of England and had a son. Isabelle didn't accept really well that her and her son were passed over because her sisters in law were unfaithful and her brothers decided to adopt the salic law. She declared that her son should be king of England and king of France. So the one-hundred years war began.
This mess would never have happened nowadays with paternity tests.
You are right, but just a few corrections, even if women were still allowed to rule and Jeanne II of Navarre was excluded, Isabella would still not be the first in line, as the daughters of Philippe V would have a better claim. Also Philippe V rested his legitimacy over Jeanne by an assembly of the Estate Generals, the Salic law was only pulled out of history as a way to add legitimacy to the Valois during the 100 years war.
yep and that's what started the 100 years war later.
Napoleon III did have a son, named Louis-Napoléon, (and his godmother was Queen Victoria). Louis-Napoléon fought with the British soldiers in Zulu, where he died in 1879.
13:24 - Why? Because of shift in Geopolitical and Socio-Cultural. They were King of the Franks before it's split into West Frankia and East Frankia, then West Frankia developed into French identity while East Francia developed into Germanic identity.
15:00 Under Corsica there is Sardinia. Sicily is further down. I suggest you to react the history of Sicily especially the Norman Conquest. Anyway good video👍
You are my Comfort CZcamsr, watching you watching this giant family tree is just relaxing.
The island you were thinking of (below Corsica) is called Sardegna (which fun fact is one of the healthiest and least polluted places in the world). Sicilia (or Sicily in English) is that bigger island that's right beside the southern mainland.
The British line of succession is another fun Usefulcharts video! I prefer the older one to the updated one
carolingiens dinasty name come from Carolus Magnus aka Charlemagne which mean Charles the great, not a swedish name but a latin name because as an emperor, he must be appointed by the pope who was at this time considered as the ruler of Rome so the last splendor of the roman and last empire. While mérovingiens was first descendant of Mérovée which mean famous in battle in frank language.
"bold" as in he is bold to do that risky thing.
"fat" = the only people that could afford to be fat at the time were super rich (no corporal labor, much heavy food).
So its a more subtle way of saying "Yoooo I'm rich, bi*ch!"
5:39 well technically Louis I is not the original one since Louis is a deformation of Clovis
Napoleon III had a kid...
he died fighting with the British against the Zulu
Male line inheritance was actually better than the alternative. If everyone agreed you get the throne through your father, your sister's children would have a harder time gathering support for their claim. Although once the male line died out the person with the best claim usually won out and, in that caseythe best claim was if you were a nephew/grandson of the king through his sister/daughter. Generally the closer you are to the the last monarch the better
You should check out the Danish monarchs. The current monarch, Queen Margarete II, is a descendant from the first king to rule all of Denmark, Harald Bluetooth, more than 1000 years ago. It's not a straight line, but there is a demonstrable blood-line going all the way back.
Also, for 500+ years, the names of the Danish kings have alternated perfectly between Frederick and Christian. The only two reigning queens have been named Margarete.
it is refreshing to discover a young American man hungry for knowledge of European History --- this the story of your roots buddy. ;) all my thumbs are up for yaah !
30:10 It's been a year or so, but only the Kings' wives (thus Queen Consort of France) are shown on the chart. That's why Louis XV's mother is not shown (the crown skipped a generation). But his mother was Marie-Josèphe de Saxe, House of Wettin. One of its branches gave British monarchs. But nowadays only the royal family of Belgium is linked to that house.
Also, "Dauphin (of France)" was the title given to the heir to the French throne. In 1349, the Kingdom of France acquired the "Dauphiné" (a territory around Grenoble, in southeastern France) and part of the deal was that the heir to the French throne had to the be the one in charge of the "Dauphiné", therefore getting the title of "Dauphin". Btw, dauphin also means "dolphin", and the animal was the symbol of the heir (dolphins can be seen on the crown worn in 1825 by Louis-Antoine de Bourbon, last dauphin of France)
@18:40 note that Edward III is linked to the House of Valois through Joan of Valois ---- whereas Philippe VI was from a strict Man-only lineage.
this is why in France they did not recognise Edward III as legitimate monarch. as the presenter said: in France they still used the Salic Law whereas in England they used the Saxon Law.
And this difference of law caused the 100 year war --- or was it the 1000 year war ?
Basically how monarchy work is that you have the principal family and like a secondary family....If the principal fail on thwe lane the secondary is called and then if the principal get back then the power go back to them not always but actually happen a lot.
Before charlemagne you have clovis, he is considered the first french king
Was he really french tho??
17:00 I think the curse of Jacques de Molay, the last great master of the Templars, on the line of the Capetiens worked ^^ A lot of crisis followed after that.
Corsica and Sardinia, Sicilly is the one at the tip of the Italian peninsula(the one that the Italian boot seems to kick on the map)
It is not very precise to say that Philippe Il was the first to use the title "king of France" ("Rex Franciae") instead of "king of the Franks" ("Rex Francorum"). Many of his predecessors, dating back to the Merovingians, did it occasionally. Hé was the first to nearly systematically use it, and also initiated the patrilinear succession : up until then, nearly every king (except Hugues Capet, Raoul I, Eudes I, Charles III the fat, and Childeric III, the last Merovingian king), including Philippe Il himself, had been associated to the throne by his predecessor, usually his father, basically becoming a co-ruler until the death of the former. But Philippe Il did not assiciate his eldest son Louis to the throne, instead designating him heir to the throne.
We don't know why, some historians argue that could be because Louis had a claim to the throne of England, having been elected by the English nobles before they decided to go back to king John I. If Louis had been able to get back the throne of England, he of course would not be able to be associated to the throne of France, but he could inherit it after his father's passing.
Nevertheless, whatever the reason, Philippe II initiated the patrilinear succession which was closely associated with France in later times, and that plus the more common usage of the title "Rex Franciae" than his predecessors made historians decide to make him the first king of France, whereas previous uses of "Rex Franciae" by his predecessors were translated by historians as "king of Francia" instead of "king of France".
Hi Mcjibbin Will you react yo te spanish monarchy tree?
What I read is that Charles II was lay abbot of Saint-Denis. In 877, on the day of the consecration of the Saint-Cornelius Abbey (Abbaye Saint-Corneille de Compiègne) by Pope John VIII, he shaved his head as a sign of submission to the Church. It was remarkable at the time since Frankish Kings usually kept their hair long as a symbol of strength. He probably never was called that way by his subjects, since he died the same year.
During a certain period, the King wasn't chosen in the son of the deceased King... There were a period of "elective" King... King Robert 1st had a daughter Emma then a son Hugues (Hugh) ... Emma was married to a strong Lord of the Kingdom : Rodolphe (Rudolf, I apologise, but it's a french dynasty, then I am using french name the way we write it, BTW I am enough Gentle to write it in Anglo-saxon as well :D ) ... The assembly of Lords and of the Clergy, chose Rodolphe as King in 923... but he died in 936 and the Lords chose Hugues, Grand Comte (great count ;) ) of Paris, but he denied the title and pronouced his wishes in favour of Louis the son of King Charles III ! easy ! LMAO :D
You have to udnerstand that French language is based on female/male system, no neutral here... The Franks in english is also written Francs in french... The Franc is male.... France is female noun... In french langauge, most male may become female and to become female, we put mostly a "e" at the end... Un Franc (a frank), une France (a frank woman) ... most of countries are female in french : l'angleterre (England) --> female, because la terre ( the land) is "la" (female) and not "le" (male)... L'Allemagne (germany) is also female in french... L'Espagne (Spain), L'italie (italy) are female in french. la suisse (Switzerland), La belgique (Belgium); L'Amérique (female), L'Afrique (Africa), female.... but, in french there is always a "but" or a or several exceptions even : LE Portugal (male)... and no i duinno why Portugal is male... LE Brésil (Brazil) --> male too.
On the issue of "other cultures" you might want to review "Learning Languages Ruined My Life" ... is the most based I have ever seen on the issue of cultural enrichment.
Napoleon the third's son was killed by a zulu while fighting in the british army
What about Clovis 1rst frank king 481-511 right after the fall of the Roman empire ?
I again recommend the video "America never stood for freedom" by Hakim.
There is an island between Corsica and Sicily... :)
The Pope at the time of Charlemagne had little influence in the Christian world and were nominally Byzantine vassals (just like Venice, Sicily, Calabria and Apulia)as Bishop of Rome equal in rank to the Bishops of Constantinople(the Ecumenical Patriarch) and the Bishop of Antioch. Originally there were also similar Bishops in Alexandria and Jerusalem but as the Empire lost the two cities they were left with the three Bishops under their direct vassalage. However it might look the Pope on crowning the a western emperor was shifting power from Constantinople to Rome and thus begun the schism between the two bishoprics of Rome and Constantinople. The Bishop in Constantinople had direct access to the imperial government unlike the one in Rome who from time to time had sought Roman(Greek) aid against invaders like the Lombards was met with inaction. So the Bishop of Rome fell on the laps of the Franks who were close and more reliable.
You should checkout 'Napoleons Greatest Foe' it is a great history lesson, very well presented.
3:26
Ha! Fool on you!
I'm watching this one a phone.
El Rey Luis, San Luis de Francia, su madre era Blanca de Castilla hija del Rey de Castilla Alfonso VIII. Y sobrino nieto de Ricardo Corazón de León.
The female at the beginning was the Queen of the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine Empire so the part of the Roman Empire that didn’t fall.
Charlemagne wasn't french, but the nephews
13:20 Because the other parts of Francia were *politically too divided* or re-mixed with non-frank kingdoms through multiple *inheritances* or *wars* to succeed in continuing to claim to be part of the Frank empire.
Each barony, fiefdom or kingdom rebuilt its own legend and culture (national identity wasn't yet a thing of the past, but it is similar), while Philip's subjects found nothing more convincing than their alleged Frank heritage to *unite them against the invaders.* As a result, they were *the only ones left to claim this heritage AND use it for political propaganda.* And to this day, even though I know it doesn't make much sense genetically or politically, the French like to think of themselves as Franks, which is a way of proclaiming their *freedom* and their determination to defend it, including by *speaking openly* (speaking *_frankly_* ) if they still dare.
I think you should also get to know the Polish family tree of monarchs. It's not big but has a few flavors ':v
Marie-Josèphe Of Saxony was the mother of His Majesty King Louis XVI.
With the tree we can see every wars in Europe was a Family dispute :O
All them all have a link with the royale French family and vice versa, at Lisbon to Moscow, very interesting.
In fact and in France we have four fundamental kings.
Clovis the first.
Charlemagne.
Hugh Capet.
Louis XIV The sun King.
Fun Fact Louis come from Clovis' name and all french Kings who took this name was a reference for Clovis.
King Henry VI of England was also crowned King of France due to his French mother & French King grandfather.
because he was french💀💀💀
nice
It's not we like democracy. It's we had kings before, and we remember.😂
I'm not sure if this is 100% legit but I heard Charles the Bald got that name because originally his brothers wouldn't let him get his share of the empire. So it's a bit of a joke because he originally didn't get a crown aka he was "bald". Carolingian names are funny (Charles the Simple means he's like rly straight forward with things and not "dumb simple")
What I read is that Charles II was lay abbot of Saint-Denis. In 877, on the day of the consecration of the Saint-Cornelius Abbey by Pope John VIII, he shaved his head as a sign of submission to the Church. It was remarkable at the time since Frankish Kings usually kept their hair long as a symbol of strength. He probably never was called that way by his subjects, since he died the same year.
@@Xerxes2005 I guess we'll never know which, if any, of those stories are true.
Yeah I'm pretty sure none of them were called by their nicknames (pretty sure they got them latter). Though I do know that Charles the Fat was called "the Great" 💀(though I'm not sure if it was on coins or in his documents
En primaire on apprend tous que les 3 premiers rois sont : clovis, charlemagne et Hugues capet
Bald used to have a second meaning, meaning your hair isn’t absent but it’s white. Think about bald eagles and how they have white heads, not bald heads like vultures
In todays term it's "The GOAT" lol
Mcjibbin The GOAT
Where is clovis 1st king of franc, 300y before.
the first Louis is Clovis, Clovis=Louis in frankish language
13:37 "Francia" in Latin mean "Country of the Franks".
Franc means "free men"
@@wertyuiopasd6281 it was a germanic tribe
@@wertyuiopasd6281 actually france is an free mason republic ruled by jewws
Sicily is the heel and toes of the boot that is Italy...You are thinking of Sardinia...
Its actually Sardinia and Corsica Sicily is far more south
As a Québécois myself... believe me... French is loosing ground very fast. Nevermind the policies of assimilation by the British Crown and later the Canadian Federal Government, Hollywood, music, culture... English being an easy language to learn... it's slowly grinding up French as a language.
The first king of france is Clovis
23:51 If they were from Québec, it's very possible that they learned to understand spoken English, to read written English, but also to be very careful never to write or speak English under any circumstances. 🤡💩
Why not? Well, you know, French ancestry, French trolling, etc.... 😂
L'histoire de France est mille fois mieux que games of throne
et 1 000 000 de fois mieux que la sale angleterre
Error in grammar: rose to power, not rise to power in the context given.
You dont choose your name its the people who decide if youre the fat or the bald ^^
Merovingian = Merovee father of first frank king CLOVIS !
France =country of Frank's in French.
West francia = France
Sharlemain vs Charlemagne
You're partly wrong... Many many Quebecers are bilingual (Fr and Eng)... if you go to Montreal most of french canadian can speak english pretty well. French Canadians are mostly in Quebec, right, but there is a big minority of french Canadians in ontario as well.
Also I am soon 50 y.o and when i was 11 y.o in french teen college (school from 11 to 15 y.o), as every french collegians, I was OBLIGED to learn english... Now, since about 20 years, french kids are obliged to learn english at 6 y.o. ... But I agree, only 1 third master english... it doesn't come we are not good to learn another language, it's because, French have truly a problem with authority and they don't like to be dictate the language they have to learn... then instinctively, the French "resist" to elarn english... it's less true for the young actual French... more and more french under 25 y.o speak well english, maybe 60 to 70 % because they are born with internet and mobile phones ina global world and english is a necessity.
i have to trace back eveyones bloodline!
Et c'est pas " John " mais " Jean "
Charles = Carolus in latin... so Carolingiens
It puts enormous strain on our relationship as allies when you sympathise with 'old Boney'.
Sardegna not Sicilia 😊
Louis XIV et le roi qui a régné le plus longtemps sur le trône de France
Le roi qui a le règne le plus long d Europe si ce n est pas du monde
I must say that starting with Charlemagne is a big mistake for the History of France.
Starting with Clovis is 100 times more important in everyway.
Il faut remonter plus loin avec l'installation des Celtes en Gaule, la conquête de la Gaule par Jules César, l'empire romain et la fin de l'empire romain avec les invasions des Germains et des Francs entre autre, jusqu'à la conversion de Clovis au christianisme. Et puis après, bien sûr; Charlemagne et ses successeurs.
En tout cas, merci de vous intéresser à l'histoire de notre pays. C'est aussi une occasion pour nous de réviser nos bases.
@@andrefava1028 Je suis d'accord.
Mais de façon purement dynastique on peut commencer un peu avant Clovis, cela suffit en général.
Mais évidemment, je suis d'accord.
The Merovingians are thought by many to have been direct descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary of Bethany, according to the Book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', published in the 1970s. This same idea is the basis of the Da Vinci Code. The thesis is that to have been called 'rabboni' (which he was) Jesus must have been married, which is one of the qualifications for that title and was also more or less compulsory for any Jewish man at that time. According to the theory, all direct references to his marriage and any children he had were later edited out of the Gospels so that only traces remain, such as the way Mary of Bethany greets him when he returns from a journey (ie; like a wife) and the story of the Marriage of Cana, which the book says was Jesus' own wedding (thus his mother Mary worrying about the wine running out, which she wouldn't do if they were merely guests at another house).
Mostly bullshit though. Those were debunked myths IIRC. But even if Jesus had any children, any link to the Merovingians is 100% ficticious.
@@roidrannoc1691 I don't disagree.
Hey cool guy - chance to look cooler - a nice haircut? bravo
Connor, I am a hybrid 50/50 Brit and French together. Let me tell you something important: all of what you have gone over today, vis-à-vis the French monarchy from Charlemagne, is totally unknown by virtually 100% of French people. You probably know more than they do. It is so damned complicated they tend to ignore it. French kids usually hate French history (as you can see).
This comes mainly from the Republican Freemasonry school.
Otherwise, it was something that all Young French people learned before.
That's a big exageration. Let's say 90% of people don't know about most of those monarchs, but almost everyone know Louis XIV, Louis XVI, Francis I, Hugh Capet or even Henry IV. Not even mentioning Napoleon. And most kids everywhere in the world dislike how they learn history in school, from my experience I wouldn't say France is special at all in that regard.
Republican school is an anti-France propaganda system to make you accept replacement.
@@xenotypos 90% of "French people" but there's not many French people anymore in France.
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