GOLF: The #1 Problem In Putting - Good Putters Vs. Bad Putters
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- The #1 Problem In Putting
Good Putters Vs. Bad Putters
It was an honor to film with David Orr at his home course, Pine Needles Lodge and Golf Club in Southern Pines, NC.
David Orr is one of the leading putting coaches in the world. His teaching method is based on research, not on theory. ‘Never guess what you can measure’ is one of his key philosophies. David’s research and teaching protocol led him to the PGA Tour where he’s worked with world-class players such as Justin Rose and Suzann Pettersen. Check out www.flatstickacademy.com to get access to David’s personal, online putting academy and the absolute putting gold he shares there.
The best players (putters) have some specific tendencies and patterns when they MISS putts. Amateur and higher handicap players have their own unique tendencies for missing putts. In this video David takes me through the differences and how we can not only be aware of our personal tendencies when we're missing putts, but how to best correct.
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God sent me this video today. I’m currently a mallet putter thinking I go straight back straight thru and now I am practicing a natural arc and the feel is weird for now but I see the value. Thanks!
Hope it serves you well!
I love Eric's videos and I'm especially enjoying these collaborations with other teaching pros. Great details presented clearly and concisely as always. Makes me want to work on my game whenever I watch one. Thankfully, this one about putting mechanics is perfect for these winter months
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Thanks, Michael! Appreciate it my friend...thanks for being with us!
Great video. Have long heard of David Orr, but I’ve never seen him on video. He’s a very effective communicator. And he has the presence and confidence that one normally sees in a TV veteran.
Thanks! He's awesome...I agree. Great teacher.
Check out his site www.flatstickacademy.com to see more of this videos! Really good stuff!
I putted lights out for couple of months and during that time I feel I just use gravity for the forward stroke.
I like that!
Gravity being neutral forward or back???
@@aidenfogarty4952 i feel as if I am taking my putter back and stopping. The forward stroke is all gravity. Putter just falls on the ball.
Man. This is the video I was waiting for. It's feeling so much better on the living room carpet. I can't wait to try it on a practice green. My miss has been pulls and I have done exactly what David said. Open stance, left hand low, claw/pencil.
Excellent-hope it helps you, Nick!
Great information and video with David Orr. Would love to see more on this topic as it is not covered very often when compared to full swing.
Thanks, Joel! Appreciate it! David is awesome....more coming!
Great Video on how to diagnose your putting stroke issues. The Putting Board is a great training aide that I have begun using to work on the putting plane and putter face in the stroke and have found it very helpful.
Thanks, Chuck! David is great! We were lucky to be with him!!
Really enjoyed this video. I established that what I thought was trying to keep my club head square on my takeaway was closing it instead. Seems to be a bigger issue inside of 4ft. Appreciate the content and explanation.
You got it my friend-hope it helps!
Great video Eric! Keep up the good work chap! Adam
Thanks, Adam! Appreciate you my friend....hope all is well with you since we left. We miss ya!
Great video Obi Wan, I couldn’t figure out why I pulled my putts so often, but that little gem of starting the transition with the shoulders is HUGE! Thanks again!!
Thank you sir! Appreciate ya...David is awesome!!
Eric Cogorno Golf
He sure is, and so are you brother! Thanks again for all you do and share with us 👍👍
Man, that guy is really good!! I feel I should take a putting class or 2, or 3....
Lol yes you should! Check out flatsickacademy.com.....so much good stuff there from David!
If Mickelson putted more like he chips instead of changing his grip every few weeks...
Eric, try this and tell me what you think. Breaks all the "rules", I know.
Normal setup. Flex left knee. Left shoulder drops, shoulders tilt and putter moves back naturally. Extend left knee. Left shoulder rises, shoulders tilt the other way and Putter swings forward through the ball. A true putting swing. We use our feet and legs in a golf swing and MUST keep them still while putting. Never made sense to me. Crazy but works.
Hey Frank! Thanks!
Will give it a shot next time I'm on a putting green!
@@CogornoGolf I would love your feedback. I got nothing to sell here, just a guy who loves golf (and keeps hoping it will someday love me back).
If done right, the shoulders hands and arms "stay still" relative to each other. The "V" is maintained . They just move on top of the bending and straightening left leg and therefore tilting pelvis. No pronation, supination, too much right arm, too much left arm, too much inside etc. One key is to swing up and through the ball though. Swing it. Don't manipulate it.
It's OK if you don't like it (your welcome) but would love to hear you actually tried a few putts with it.
Love this video Eric
Thanks, Robin! David was awesome!!
So thats why a lot of pros use the Anser model putter. Cause it closes later.
The Plumber's Neck of the Anser and the Newport / Newport 2 also has more Forward Shaft Lean designed and built in, for Players who set up with Forward Shaft Lean at address and those Players who trigger their backstroke with a pronounced Forward Press.
Spieth is somewhat of a hybrid.
He will begin to Address the ball with a near Vertical Shaft, then at the very end of his Address he creates his FSL - has a momentary pause - and then initiates a "one piece" take away. There are a few Good videos of Spieth's Setup and Stroke.
Focus on his hands and the Shaft of his putter.
Toe Flow putters - Face to Path - *CLOSE on the Backswing* and *OPEN on the Forward Swing.*
David's methods are so 180 from other coaches. After watching a few with my putter in my hands i almost instantly became confident in my stroke and subsequently started making more putts but most important cut my three putts back dramatically. TY for this and many others like it!
:) Our pleasure! Thanks for watching!
I could watch 10000 hours of this
Get that thing on repeat baby :)
Orr is the man
Yes he is :)
Though I have gotten a lot better at putting, this is the very problem that I'm having and I'm very aware of it. Thanks for the great video.
Appreciate it!
Is the putt “swing” a micro version of a full swing then if one has to eliminate the 4 “horsemen from putting hell”?!
I wish it were that simple but I would say its really much a different movement-----because the outcome goal is different
@@CogornoGolf I stand corrected . Thanks for the reply
Excellent instruction.
Thanks, Bob! David is great!!
Eric Cogorno Golf Yeah, no tricks or contradictory lingo just sensible explanations. Very happy to have found the channel
big thx from 2022 : )
Love this guy David Orr... He made a lot of sense. I m in awe of his Eye opening lesson. Thank u Eric!!!
Glad to hear that, Francis! David is great!
What are the upgrade costs to go from core to plus and plus to pro?
So is David Orr advocating the "Open to Closed" putting motion versus "Square to Square" putting motion or neither?
Hey Paul!
I would say he is not advocating anything.
I think he's really good at looking at a individual person and giving them what THEY need.
Straight back and straight through is not really even a thing.....a myth.....so thats not an option.
But I don't think he advocates anything really....very good coach!
Hey Eric I am a left hand lower, putter. Do these principles still apply?
Yup!
"Transition with shoulders and not transition with right arm early" speaks loudly to me. Thank you for this video.
That speaks loudly to me as well, Sharon! Our pleasure...David is great!
Im still trying to figure out what Tiger meant when said he feels like he’s hitting a draw when he putts.
He talks a lot about letting the putter "release"....feeling the toe getting ahead of the heel on way through like opening and closing a door....
I'm assuming he's talking about that
A draw comes from an inside Path with a closing Face. All Putting Strokes are Arc Strokes, the differences are in the degree and amount of Arc in the Path.
Tiger is feeling a moderate Arc to the Inside, with a Release of the Face.
Eric please ask that guy in the back ground to be in the video. He just can't manage to stay out of it on his own. Great video Eic thanks for posting this.
Kevin O'Rourke
Yes he should be in the video. Looks like a very good putter. He's making a lot of them and if he doesn't he's lagging them close!
Thanks, Kevin! Our pleasure my friend!
I love the guy in the background, around 5 minutes.... Just draining em. He's probably thinking, blah, blah, just see the ball go in the hole and then do it.
:)
So how should i putt?
Work on
1. Hitting your start line
2. Correct Speed
3. Correct Read
you can go about that however you want really. I would suggest finding a great coach to work with to analyze what's going on and create an improvement plan
Excellent video. Very informative. Thanks!
Thank you! Our pleasure! David is great....was just trying to ask the right questions :)
really good vid as THIS is my issue (missing left). as you get older and your girth expands....it (girth) serves as an anchor for the trail elbow to rest upon. it is then just a simple rotation of the shoulders (assuming they are square to path) to move the head the same direction. but i liked what he said about the hands doing the twist thing. under pressure, that is the true enemy
Lol love it....one of the benefits of the girth :)
Eric Cogorno Golf i blame lemon pie
The problem I see with a lot of golfers putting is that they take the putterhead to far back resulting in the face being open! If you want good tips is how to putt - check out Phil Mickelson in how to keep the face square always! Short backswing and follow through to your intended line! Left hand below right helps to marry the hands when starting your back swing with the left - simple!
Thanks for the feedback, Alan!
I think too long of a back stroke can cause problems....but boy oh boy too short of a back stroke can cause AT LEASTY as many issues.
Best to get it reasonably close to same length back and through to start with so tempo can stay neutral.
Too short back is NOT better than too long.....nor vise versa.
I like this series with David Orr. My only critique would be a reasonably priced way to get feedback on putter path and face angle. He has access to Sam Puttlab and a Capto System, both costing several thousand bucks). One way I've found to check my face and see whether its square to the arc is with Visio's Mi Template (visioputting.com/mi-putting-template-face-lines/). You can get these for less than $50.
Thanks, Dennis!
Love the Visio as well! Always nice to have simple, cost-effective feedback!
But nice for us coaches to have the expensive stuff as well :)
Wow, Orr is amazing and you did great at restating and emphasizing key points for additional clarity. These traveling shows with other pros are really great. Would love you see you with Mike Malaska.
Who else was watching the old guy in the background?
Eric, you do a great job on your videos! Thank you for all the free advice and tips! I really appreciate your knowledge of the game. I do have a suggestion, I may be the only person who feels this way, but I think your videos are generally too long. Five to seven minutes should be long enough for most.
Thanks, Butch! Appreciate the kind words and feedback! Will keep that in mind!
The guy in the background at the beginning...doing exactly what they were saying not to do with the right arm. Lol.
:)
I think he (Tiger) means swinging the putter inside to out with the trail side
Could be!
Please ask David to address '2-thumb Putting.'
I guess the ones left of Nancy break their putters if they miss
:)
The old man in the background should be giving the lesson!
There is exactly zero truth to this guy's theories. To prove it to yourself build a wooden putter with a square shaft and ride that square shaft on a stairstep above to see what happens on the tilted plane. As an alternative, buy the clip-on device sold by the people who make "the Putting Arc" to discover the same thing. What happens to the putter blade on a tilted plane is EXTREMELY difficult for the average person to understand. That's why there are millions of golfers in the world and only a handful of people who can make a living with the game of golf. They have taken the time and effort to understand all of this. Once you understand what is happening, and is required, you can move on to the principles and practices of both Crenshaw and Tiger which are exactly the same. It is then all about the "release" which simply means to swing the club off of a very light grip. They then put the putter head into it's own inertia (by RELEASING it), where it has exactly zero propensity to twist. You have to give up control of the putter in order to gain control of the putter (as per Paul Azinger). You are in effect taking yourself out of the putt and thus making many to most other things relatively unimportant. This is the exact opposite to what Dave Pelz professed and why he is no longer relevant. A human being lacks the ability to control the face angle to the precision needed. So you take yourself out of it by releasing it. Tiger practices this by only using his right hand. He removes the ability to control.
Thanks for the feedback!
You seem highly ignorant
Always the words of a hack. Get your ass off the couch for 2 hours a day, every day for a year, and you will find out how ignorant you are. It's not an easy game.@@jaydonovan2155
Wow you wrote a lot of nonesense there...what a waste of your time for nobody to care...I got through like 3 sentences of that garbage..do you think anyone actually listened to you? Over a top 50 teacher? Moron
You’re making putting far too difficult.
It’s just back an THROUGH. Jeez Louise
Thanks again for your feedback on our videos, Scott!
This is taking way too long to explain, say it once and move on...stop repeating yourself
Lot of word salad there. A little more exact putting correct vocabulary would be better.
Thanks for the feedback, Gregory!