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Fence End Assembly Showdown! Steel Stay Vs Timber Box Which is Best for your Farm? How to Build Both
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2023
- Stay Vs Box Showdown! Which is best for your farm and how to build both. You will be surprised at the difference in time skills and tools required for the two types of assembly!
This week I compare Steel Vs Timber Fence End Assemblies for ease of construction, time and tools required. I also go through some great tips to help make your job easier regardless of the end assemblies you choose.
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When I was young, I always had the job of cleaning out the base of the hole with an old dog food can.
Steel is definitely quicker and easier, but the timber wins for looks every day of the week.
Seems I’ve seen that “spare hands” trick before on one of your vids lol 😊😊 I now use that idea
The great thing about the steel setup you used is you can straighten the post after you tension the fence with the threaded rod.
Totally.
My grandad always had an old broom handle with a baked bean tin wired to the end as a scoop for cleaning out holes.
Great idea!
What is the diameter of those steel posts? I haven’t seen such a big post rammer here in nz, but I guess the one I use for Waratahs/star pickets wouldn’t be big enough.
Thankyou Tim great video brother❤
Brilliant Tim, thank for all your videos
Good video Tim,
I use a hybrid design for end assemblies. Instead of a plate kit I use a half length post and an extra clamp. It's a bit cheaper and you get twice as much post in the ground.
Tip: use a post clamp as a guide to cut the peined end of the post off with your angle grinder. There's no way you got that cap on top of the post by tapping it with your claw hammer. 🤔
Thanks Tim, that was a brilliant video. I have been there with the timber posts and have broken plenty of my fingernails scrapping the post hole clean of rocks. If I ever do another fence, it will be with Steele posts.🤣
That ratchet getting mighty close there Tim! around 2.55
Thank you
Great tips mate
Man, I wish I could pound posts like that, just by watering them! Our ground here in BC Canada, has a LOT of rots and gravel...
Thanks for this video, Tim!
You’d be surprised at the effect water has. But yes, useless on rocks.
Id love to see a review of some of the different metal assembly brands compared. Some big gaps in price it's hard to tell what's real value for money.
I’m thinking….
Thank you so much for this updated video on box end assembly Tim. It's been extremely helpful and I think I am finally ready to start my goat fencing project😊
Remember the bucket of water test…. If water can get through then so can goats….
@@FarmLearningTim So I've herd, lol🤣 One UK fencing guy recommended an 8ft fence to keep them in... I am hoping an electric top line will help but only time will tell, I suppose🙄🐐🐐🐐
How is that flat piece of metal anchored into the ground? If it’s not anchored, how does it hold the post in place?
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Around here the soil is sandy and many fencers use a double box to try to prevent the strainer post being jacked out. I wonder how well the steel assembly would go after 10 or 15 years?
Good thing about steel is depth. Go a 3m post
If the wood is not treated its going to go pretty quick? I have gal star pickets in water still going strong with supposed iron bark being held up by the mud and termite spit binding it all together.
Depends on where you are. Some areas, like the Hunter Valley still use a lot of hardwood. Down here in the Yarra Valley, the posts are doing really well too.
👍. Can use concrete posts for end assemblies?
Absolutely. One of my sponsors, Australian Concrete Posts has great box and stay kits. Avoid concrete posts with the heavy ground anchors. They fail.
The steel end assemblies usually have the cross rail on an angle. Why don't you do this with the timber posts as well? We found them much more stable compared to the typical H assembly.
Depends. I'm planning a video on testing end assembly weak points. The timber stay end assemblies can be OK, but there are tricks. A good well driven Box assembly is one of the strongest timber designs there is. It'll be a while till I get it done as what I'm planning is a bit complex.... Wish me luck.
Hi Tim, have you done any reviews on FSP pvc star pickets? If not would be great to see one, been after an alternative to steel to eliminate shorts with electric fences and the need for insulators. Also i believe there is someone distributing Timeless pvc T posts in oz now, a comparison between the two would be interesting. Cheers
I’ll keep my eye out
Hi Tim, another great video but when I look up whites rural end assemblies. They are different on there website to the one you have ,and not as good. Where did you get yours from?
Have you tested out all the different models of end assemblies?
They would be hard to top that steel one for quick and ease of use.
Cheers
They have a couple of different kinds. It’s definitely a product that they sell. Your local whites stockist should be able to order them for you. whitesrural.com.au/posts/end-assembly/stockpost-end-assembly-brace-kit-details.html
Hi fantastic thank you,👍
I've never used steel as I keep thinking it will rust. I know its galvanised but how does it hold up over the decades?
The cap is the key. Think about non galvanised steel posts, they last ages. Often longer than the fence.
Gday Tim, curious about the tension of the wire on the box end assembly. To what rating (kN) did you strain the wire? I tend to use gripples to allow extra straining if needed. Love the extra set of hands! My go to is an f clamp or similar.
2.2kn. I find that gripples only last a few years then let go. That’s why everyone ties off the wire around them, making them non adjustable anyway.
Hi, big fan! Where did you get the post driver from? The ones I've gone to look at only big enough to fit the tiny y post/waratahs.
Hi Meg. I got the square tube one from Whites Rural. It's a Stockpost End Assembly Driver.
@@FarmLearningTim thanks! Hopefully I can find one here in NZ ✌️
@@mrsmeganwilson Let me know how you go. There are some other guys too.... Or you could just get one made. It's just 120X120 square tube with a plate welded at the top and some handles.
Hi, I'm using 100×100 hardwood post for chain wire. Fence sections are around 30m long. I am intending to use another 100×100 post on an angle concreted into the ground for the end assembly. In my lack of experience, do you think that single brace will be ok or I setting myself up for problems when the wires are strained. should I do a box end assembly instead?
In this case, do a box.
Far out, wish I could drive strainers by hand here, it's hard enough with a driver here 😳
There was a lot of swearing and bar work off camera while digging the holes for the box end…..
Quick question, with all the work needed to put up the end strainers, what would be your minimum run for stock fence? I’ve just done a 5m run, and it strained up ok, but when tied off and released, looked like I hadn’t even tried to strain the wire. Ended up using gripples to tighten it. Should have used rails?
5m or 50m? Typo?
Great video, but which one is stronger? I've seen plenty of end assemblies ( h-braces in the USA) fail and lean with the pressure of the wire.
Very hard to test. I have a couple of videos on this in the can already that I have not released. The reason is complex, soil type, location, situation. All these play a part. I am doing a third test video soon with John Pickard that will hopefully sort a few things out. My leaning at the moment is to steel. Then stay for some situations, box for others. Hopefully I can deominstrate why well enough to finally release a video on this topic!
It would be interesting to know the price difference
Timber typically cheaper, but highly variable and depends on prices and location. Also depends on how you measure your time. That’s why I avoid prices like the plague. Out of date quickly and regionally irrelevant.