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Yuta please make a video about the keigo of Itsuki Nakano from the quintessential quintuplets. Also what do you think of r/ItsUesugi ?
Merry Christmas happy new year and happy holidays!
That old lady who wrote vertical kana is practicing a vanishing form of calligraphy. Hard to read for normal people but it flows naturally, the way hiragana was intended for. It makes me awe.
Very similar to elders in US, when my 90 year old grandma writes us letters it's very hard to read I have to guess alot of it because it's cursive (which i learned to read and write in school) but super abstract
vertical (top to bottom) is 縦書き (tategaki) and horizontal (left to right) is 横書き (yokogaki)
It's a rather particular script that I saw once in a video about Japanese culture and nowhere else. My Japanese is well beyond beginner level but when I run into this specialized calligraphy I'm helpless.
My now deceased grampa from my father family used to write in cursive (I do too) but his calligraphy was so nice that it seemed that was written from the fathers of the nation from the Independence era...
@@tabby7189 I have just barely past N5 and this is beautiful and unreadable at the same time for me too...
¯\_༼ᴼل͜ᴼ༽_/¯
1:58 let's stop for a minute and appreciate how polite, sweet, calm, gentle and skilled that lady is. I really want all elderly people to be like her and become like her at the same age
Boo to all people being highly similar. We're different for a reason
@@tabby7189 Rocco only asks for basic human decency: polite, sweet, calm, gentle and skilled at what they do. Too much to ask for you think?
@@angrygopnik2317 "Polite, sweet, calm, gentle, and skilled"
That's not just basic human decency; most of that is a profile of a personality type both academic and clinical psychology calls agreeable. Factually, agreeableness is found to rise gradually as we age so Rocco will to some degree "by force of nature" get what he desires. But equally factual is that not all people are highly agreeable - comedians for example are often to be lower in agreeableness because otherwise they wouldn't be comedians. Going up on stage, taking all the attention to yourself (instead of sharing, which is more characteristic of agreeableness), and then mocking people or groups is not really any of Rocco's descriptors except for requiring skill so as not to be a straight up asshole. Being fierce and sufficiently aggressive in advocating against injustices in the world, especially those perpetrated by powerful politicians and businessmen (whether men or women) also requires a certain degree of disagreeable. I would like everyone to be skilled, but no I don't just want everyone else to be nice and soft. The West is losing its sense of what assertiveness is for, especially masculine assertiveness, and already it is rotting for this foolishness. Do you think it is for nothing that titles like "The Subtle Art of not Giving a F*ck" are selling in large numbers? Meanwhile Japan, its own ambivalences about masculinity aside (ambivalences not difficult to understand, I will add), has continued to honour both agreeableness and disagreeableness and thus avoids a number of the same problems on the rise in the West. So I repeat, Rocco's description isn't just basic human decency, which is why I advocate for welcoming an elderly population that doesn't fit his description.
@@tabby7189 I would be (genuinely) interested to hear about Japan honoring disagreeableness, I've always heard the opposite.
@@tabby7189 are u ok?
today I learned japanese writers hold the pen way back like a chopstick. English writers always hold the tip of the pen
This is mostly an extension of how Japanese is traditionally wrote with a brush which is used in the same way.
@@lvlupproductions2480 Thank you for that additional context. Makes a ton of sense considering Japan's extremely high literacy rate throughout history (In the West it was unfortunately far lower).
@@djackson4605 Through history? Since the addition of a national school system for everyone that's true, but before it was pretty much just scribes, merchants, and nobles who could read and write. For a long time it was only men as well since most women were not taught to read or write. The old system of Kanji only writing was very difficult to learn for those without access to expensive education.
I think that's mostly from writing on a whiteboard, you dont want your hand to smudge the letters plus you're writing way bigger so you don't need super fine motor control
its because theyre writing on a whiteboard... im japanese and i would hold the tip of the pen when writing on paper
I've been studying japanese for awhile and I take notes of everything by hand. I think it helps to memorize kanji and tell the difference between really similar kanji.
It would be easier if you study the Chinese first because half of the words in Japanese come from it, even though they are adapted to Japanese pronunciation. And, accordingly, a half of the written language is the same hieroglyphs. The issue is, however, the languages themselves are infinitely far away from each other, so it is a major complication.
@Stranger Happened I guess I'm doing it backwards haha, I plan on learning mandarin once I pass the JLPT2
yeah it's really easier to memorize when writing
@@StrangerHappened I definitely had a MAJOR advantage being fluent in Chinese because I got to N2 in 1 year and N1 in the next. I can attest to how many orders of magnitude it is easier to study Japanese with Chinese experience. The other way around... seems like torture to me 🤣 In Chinese both vernacular and classical forms of words and phrases are used in the modern language, while the Japanese kanji spellings preserve only the classical terms loaned from Middle Chinese. It's very easy to tell what 彼女 means in Japanese with no context with only Chinese experience but I pray for those who try to decipher what 她 means with only Japanese experience. And 其 vs 那...
@@LittleWhole Well, no wonder, since the Japanese learn only half as many hieroglyphs. The language loaned half of its common words from China. The other half they do not need and do not know. That said, even the Chinese now have "Simplified Chinese" and "adapted" versions of their classics -- be it Confucius or Journey to the West, among others. Just too many, too complex hieroglyphs. But they are beautiful, it is a pleasure just took look at non-simplified writing.
2:09 Omg, she's writing in the traditional way (top to bottom, right to left)! 😭🥰
Now I wonder as a foreigner. When and why did it change
really, just people getting used to digital stuff. it's still the standard format in books and stuff @@jesusdavis2941
@@jesusdavis2941 Actually this is not a traditional way.
It's still often used and anyone can read and write.
As someone who's second language is english, i can confirm that this world has started to follow western ways of writing and speaking, in India for example, people talk in english most of the time, in fact, we're taught english from the first class we studied in, just like for our mother toungue. I can also confirm that my english is better than my hindi, unfortunately. I'm scared if this is what's happening in japan too. Not a hater of western culture, but it's influencing the world so much. As a foreigner to japanese culture, I have realised that even some foreigners must be worried for my culture. So the main question here is why are people leaving their rich cultures and roots? I might not be completely correct though, I just wrote what came to my mind after reading your question. @@jesusdavis2941
3:56 I see what you did there, nice one Yuta
Isn't that a famous quote by Socrates?
@@justarandomgerman8853 It's a phrase for an anime series called Monogatari, specifically on the 1st episode of bakemonogatari
Yuta really likes to reference this in his channel
@@kinjoko Wow, that's amazing. You really are thorough. May I ask about the anime?
@@name3583 wdym by "may I ask about the anime"?
Love the oregairu reference at 0:43
And 3 : 30 from monogatari series ( hanekawa tsubasa )
That older woman's handwriting is mesmerising
Very lovely handwriting from her.
This makes me feel better about my Japanese handwriting, knowing that not everything has to be perfect.
Interesting to see how the older lady wrote vertically, from right to left but everybody else wrote the non-traditional/Western way, horizontally from left to right. I wonder if that's because back in her day everybody wrote the traditional way. I also wonder when people switched. Also, are books going to keep the traditional way alive, or are those also slowly switching over?
They've had several decades to switch over by now so I doubt they will all abandon the tradition now
vertical writing is common for letters and stuff and she said she writes a lot of them
For those wondering, what the old lady wrote is
ふしぎと
そうなることは
わかっていた。
or so I think anyways.
@@vance4532 it's くずし字. 変体仮名 is not a way to write, it's the name we give the kana that aren't in use today.
1:22 is this a « No Longer Human » by Osamu Dazai reference?
I don't know how I didn't get the reference xD at least I got the Monogatari reference.
Haha 🤣
It seems like most people who handwrite often do so either because they have to for school or work, or because they're older and grew up without technology. Not very surprising but still interesting. I feel like it's probably the same in most countries, or at least in the US (where I'm from). Thanks for showing us this Yuta!
I realized after typing this that your comment is about the frequency of people who handwrite often while mine does not, nontheless I think it can be a nice addition to the conversation so here it is:
As for being the same in most countries it ends up being much harder with a logographic system auch as the CJK languages in the case of kanji we've all heard the whole "THERE'S 50,000+ KANJI IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO LEARN" spiel before and while this is true there are radicals that pretty much every kanji has. There are 214 radicals (according to thought.co) and even completely fluent people generally don't know all of them so we'll go with an 80% knowledge rate for an average literateracy fluent person. This makes 172 radicals for the kanji characters, up next is hiragana and katakana characters (obviously exclusive to JP). There are 71 different hiragana multiply that by 2 for all kana characters 142... jk we obviously shouldn't include the characters that have dakuten and handakuten it's actually 46 each so 92 charcters combine that with the 172 radicals and you get 214 writing based things needed to be remembered (sorry don't know the technical name for this one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). I'd wager the higher this number is for a language the harder it is to learn to handwrite the language. I was gonna do the same type of calculations (not written down here) for English (since it's the current world's lingua franca) and Korean (to finish the CJK thing I mentioned earlier) hit a snag on English since couldn't find a list or table on the extra symbols fluent people know such as & % # best I could find was a list of common grawlix/obscenicon characters, and frankly I'm too tired to do the rest so I might come back to it after I wake up but likely not.
@@lvlupproductions2480 Interesting stuff! And yeah, the sheer volume of kanji definitely makes Japanese seem daunting but like you said, the fact that they all utilize radicals does make it a bit easier once you start getting into the rhythm of learning them, and it helps with guessing the meaning of kanji you don't know.
But then in terms of writing kanji by hand, that's a whole separate beast from just learning meanings and readings as you have to remember stroke order and... Well, I guess it's no surprise that even most native speakers don't really remember everything, lol.
3:28 it started with easy kanji and her handwriting was easy to read, so I thought I'll try to read it as she was writing. After the first sentence, I remembered that this is Yuta's video :D
I love Monogatari Series and the reference on your channel. Every time there's no Monogatari reference in your video, I'm kinda unsatisfied :P
It would be interesting to know how they feel about english writing aesthetically. A lot of western people find japanese script interesting looking and beautiful, I wonder if they feel similarly about us.
Roman*
I've just come across your channel and find it so helpful, thank you! I'm in Tokyo now and your videos are helping me with Japanese sentence structures. どうも有難う御座います! お疲れ様でした。
1:22 No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai
He's getting them to write such funny things
I agree. The old lady impressed me the most. Only one who wrote vertically in a cursive style. Nice!
Next video: Can Japanese people read the handwriting of other Japanese people
What a quick short awesome video! As generations go on with technology, I believe eventually no one will really know how to hand write. It was interesting to see all ages to see who knows and how they write! I really like the older lady writing in traditional format which you don't see as often as much! Loved this video!!!
I really like the oldies (3rd and 4th person) their handwriting look by far the easiest and fastest. Just satisfying how they perfectted their writingflow
i love u, guy who wrote the No Longer Human’s opening
Really cool to see that lady writing top down, right to left! Almost forgot that’s how Japanese is traditionally written
Ikr Japanese writing is difficult than speaking Japanese
I'd love to see more of this. I rarely see how big some kanjis are written in japanese notebooks. This helps me get some confidence in my handwriting and (most importantly) get better at gauging how big should I write a kanji. English notebooks doesn't feel good for kanjis or japanese in general.
When I took Japanese classes in college, our teacher was a Japanese woman who emphasized that all characters (kana and kanji) should take up about the same amount of space when writing. Similar to how they look when typed. She taught the textbook way that Yuta talks so much against, and I can understand why he does so. I was today years old when I learned that most regular Japanese people, when given a white board, do not make all the kana match the size of the kanji they write and vice versa.
Nice to see different styles.
Ah! I caught that quote from Osamu Dazai's book, Ningen Shikkaku! Excellent book!
1:45 (muffled) "No I don't, I just take notes on my phone" .. has the best handwriting so far
2:26 what is that? It looks so beautiful, but so special.
Is there a name for the way to write the kanas like this?
2:05... She has it down. :D
Happy New Year, Yuta!✨🎉
Yuta please make a video about the keigo of Itsuki Nakano from the quintessential quintuplets. Also what do you think of r/ItsUesugi ?
Merry Christmas happy new year and happy holidays!
Great series of how anime characters speak Japanese. Please do Itsuki Nakano from the quintessential quintuplets or any or all the 7 main characters in TQQ. how they speak Japanese I believe is very important to understanding the plot eg the honorifics, the lost in translation stuff (eg when they say things like tsurui, hatsukoi, uso, etc that are removed from the dub). I compiled a lot of the lost in translation stuff in r/gotoubun
Something to consider about Itsuki:
The Quintessential Quintuplets' character types are:
Ichika - Onee-san / ara ara,
Nino - tsundere,
miku - kuudere / dandere,
Yotsuba - genki
Itsuki - ??
- Tsundere like Nino?
- Eat-suki?
- Imouto?
- Someone who speaks keigo to their siblings, to Fuutarou and to Raiha and to everyone basically?
I have a theory as to what Itsuki's type is, but you're not gonna like it...
Please do more of this!
2:15
強い
Great video Yuta😊😊😊😊 Love from Brazil to you all japanese people, 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So interesting to see! Thanks
0:34 Oregairu
Nice video! I’m interested in remembering how to write kanji (I know its not super useful, but I would just like to have the ability) and was thinking. About how often would I have to hand write in order to remember? I was thinking that around 15min a day without trying to copy and instead writing from memory should be sufficient practice.I like to read novels as well. Would doing this allow me to remember how to write? Thanks for any tips 😁
Yuta, I saw you yesterday(january 3) in shibuya together with your camera man. I wanted to say hi to y'all but I'm running late with my flight in Narita that's why I just went to the train station for the shinkansen lol
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
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Thanks you for your video and channel
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The older lady's writing reminded me of English shorthand, that I learnt in Secretarial Studies class at school
Ay Yuta if you travel to the US come say hi in Salt Lake City, Utah! My whole state is named after you :)
How common is it to write in grass style like that elderly lady? How easy for natives to understand it?
老人は手紙などでよく使いますが、若い世代はほとんど使う事はありません。平仮名は読めますけど、草書で書かれた漢字はほぼ分かりません。
2:10 the confidence difference when writing on a steady board
3:56 Ararararararararagi-san
Hey Yuta Sensei, i was watching ima kara anata who kyouhaku shimasu and the protagonist's grandpa who she doesn't want to see got her to see him by sending someone to fetch her. When she arrived he said isashiburi dana for it's been a while as per the subtitles and how i understand it, but she replied "uh you brought me here" as if it invalidated the sentence isashiburi and that makes me think there's an etymological nuance I'm not getting, would be great if you could highlight it in a future video :3
2:35 is that a hand-drawn Nike logo??
Well, I didn't expect to see a Hachiman quote when she wrote at the beginning. Call me pleasantly surprised.
Thank you for giving knowledge about kanji, Yuta. By the way, Yuta and everyone, I have another question about anime. How did Yu Ishigami end up in Class A in his second year? Wasn't he always playing games and often around the bottom of the student rankings?
I had an inkling what she was writing midway and I wasn't disappointed to see it being Hanekawa's catchphrase lol
im loving the beard man
My Japanese writing is kinda similar them
Does the teacher ever narrates and you guys have to write it down as she narrates? I am curious cause it takes quite some time to write.
Has Yuta outsourced the street interview videos?
「何でも…」って書いた女性の字形は日本人らしい。外国人にとって、めっちゃ綺麗だと思われてる。
This is interesting. I've had Japanese people tell me the stroke order can never be changed. And, I've had Japanese people tell me stroke order isn't important. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
Some of them hold the pens a bit strange
Yuta can we get some videos on bright sides of Japan? The cancel culture and normalizing bullying thing sounds super sad, or videos about people combatting those
I guess this is great video.
Reminds me when I did some math problems back in school.
Easy or complicated math
so how is it called when they go from top 2 bottom instead of left 2 right ?
i prefer the top 2 bottom one it just looks cooler.
It's just called "vertical writing" I think, it's the more traditional way to write Japanese (and Chinese). Vertical writing is still very much in use today, notably in letters, newspapers, novels...
縦書き (たてがき、tategaki) is what they call vertical writing, and can be translated as literally that
横書き (よこがき、yokogaki) is horizontal writing.
@@matheuss886 ty for explaining, cheers .
意外と普段に使わない人は全然書けるよね！
The hanekawa quote with another appearance
"Mine has been a life of much shame."
I feel attacked🥴
I don’t get it, do Japanese write horizontally or vertically??
Yes.
Interesting
I thought Japanese is written from right to left and up down
i came to help , because i helped my country , so , 800 euro gross , 700 net salary , on 600 gross , 500 net , in my country for diferent works , minimals though , so if pay rent 400 euro one has left 100 euro other 300 euro of a diference from before of just 200 so is wrong right? so ur economy starting from 1 january is gone rogue see , so i came here to help you too.
I’m really bad at handwriting and Kanji. My character is like what a kid write. I’m a bit embarrassed when my nasty character is exposed to others😂
Aaaa kanji is still a long shot for me...!
こんにちわ。is this konnichiwa?
Yuta is so handsome
I thought Japanese was read right to left but everyone bar one wrote left to right, is this how modern Japanese is written and read?
No, Japanese is read left to right or top to bottom, but book pages are turned from left to right, opposite like in the west.
Depends if you're writing vertically or horizontally. When vertically, it's right to left. When horizontally, it's left to right. Before world war 2, even horizontal writing was generally written right to left. Today horizontal writing is only left to right.
I get the feeling younger Japanese people struggle to read their elders’ calligraphy, similar to how some young westerners struggle to read dense, flowery cursive?
*VERTICAL is the only "Kosher" way.*
This is wrong. This isn't the same as holding a pen.
Good to see that Japanese youngsters know that "youth is a lie, it is nothing but evil".
In Brazil, a writer was asked to give an advice to youngsters. He said: Get old.
like they defend of amoeba!
Old woman's shodō skills must be amazing but I feel bad I couldn't understand anything :Z
Does it even make sense to learn kanji at school if you won't use it later in life?
for reading and such
they probably forget it cause they dont use it often. Ive probably learned lots of words in school that ive forgotten because I dont use them often.
日本人は漢字をあまり書かないですが、漢字をたくさん読みます。
もし学校で漢字を習わなかったら、漢字を読めないでしょう。
@@sin-YA あ、ありがとうございます
@@sin-YA You're awesome. I hope you can teach us Japanese language like Yuta.
If you want to learn how to handwrite Japnese I will show you the Japanese that real life Japanese people speak :D lol
Ok let’s be clear here this is NOT how Japanese people handwrite Kanji. I thought this video was going to be a comparison of how Japanese people write out words like say on a resume, versus how they quickly scribble handwritten notes. If you see regular handwritten scribbles it is illegible for nonnatives, because it doesn’t look anything like the actual Kanji .I would actually like to see this on a video in the future.
1st viewer
Please ask the people you record to take their masks off for the videos. It is distracting and ridiculous and paints Japan in a very bad light.
evidence suggests mask wearing in japan might not be related to coronavirus specifically
have fun with that 🙄
why does it paint them in a bad light and who gives a shit?
Japan had always been wearing masks. What's bad about that?
Thinking that wearing masks put them in a bad light - well, that's another matter
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Granny took them all to school. Also, why were the quotes so damn depressing?
Review pimsleur I heard it's great