3 Underplayed Board Wipes You Should Run in Commander!
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- There are a ton of cards in Magic's history, so let's talk about 3 awesome board wipes that don't see a ton of play in commander, but maybe belong in your EDH decks. These range from weird to crazy powerful, but let's talk about how these cards can throw your opponents off to help you win games.
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Rout is 7 open mana if you want to deploy after casting it on the opponent's turn.
Very hard to justify and telegraphes a lot
I feel like at that point just running Leyline of Anticipation would be a better option if you were running UW.
might be better (more playable) if run in a deck that untaps lands at the end of turn, or on opponent upkeep or something,...no telegraph...
@@skandragon586 good point
No more than Cyclonic rift
So is cyclonic but that's still one of the best cards in the format
Wash out has been my budget cyclonic rift since I started playing edh years ago. That card is bonkers good
It’s also all permanents not all non lands
@@everitthesketh3856 yeah, but you have to find a way to give lands a color if you want to bounce them with this. Still awesome though
Funny part is I actually play expel the interlopers in my arcades the strategist deck since all my creatures have power 2 or less.
I was just about to say that it does Legendary Work in Arcades
I've got a Doran deck and it's one of my favorite cards to play
I just realized this myself as I have an arcades deck 😎
You absolute madman genius. Why didnt i think if this
Tragic arrogance is really slept on
It and mythos of snapdax are my personal favorites
I like by invitation only
Slaughter the strong is another great boardwipe, and for 3 mana
Especially in my arcades deck
i use expel the Interlopers in my Doran siege tower Treefolk edh deck.
Wash out can be quite the awesome card, i play it in a couple of decks and it usually performs well. The only issue is it completely misses colorless permanants
Agreed this is a really good card it's better than that one from a while ago was it evacuation I think I like this better this card man in my mono blue Sphinx deck it just crushed people
Promise of loyalty is awesome too cuz its sac not destroy
Expel the interlopers is one of my favourite control pieces, but if im in blue i would choose Flood of Tears bc you can bounce everything, then get a free Jin-gitaxias, then flip it with all the cards that you bounced.
I discovered Expel the Interlopers while playing against a defender deck.
Heck of a card 😂
That last thing, most people not knowing the power until it resolves important but often if playing with friends, not the case because you’ll read it naturally by saying the number, and then will counter
Love rout. Aetherize is also okay as a budget card.
Yes! More niche cards, either budget or old and forgotten. You usually find good shit that I’ll have overlooked. I can go look at the price and list of new card sets, but being reminded about old/niche ones and your insights into which cards may become valuable in the future are always my favorites to see be posted
And then there's Farewell....SoB card.
washout is a table full of green players worst nightmare
Just a reminder lands are usually colorless
If you're in green, you should try running The Great Aurora. It's very fun, especially if your deck goes wide with tokens. One of the few board wipes where you want MORE on your field to get rid of
Another underated board wipe is Vanquish the hoard. From innistrad midnight hunt. Its costs 6 and 2 white but it costs 1 less for every creature on the battlefield. So really every time i use it, it only costs the 2 white.
wash out is actually insane since it basically just forced 1 player to discard most of their board on their next cleanup step, its particularly horrific for mono-color players
I like the great aurora great choice for mono green decks that have a hard time dealing with overwhelming non flying boards
Expel the interlopers is my wiper of choice. Saccing your own critters is almost impossible to prevent. Gets rid of indestructible as well. Only does not work against people going really, really wide.But perfectly fits my own token decks. Sure, Lemme sac 9 tokens while you sac your army of synergizing monstrosities.
Expel the Interlopers is one of my favorite board wipes, the only one I really hate is farewell, legitimately you can have the most beautiful turn and have a board state that's impossible to stop unlesssssss we have the farewell... Especially because one of my favorite commanders is Sythis, Harvest Hand and they can just call enchantments and ruin my entire day
Wash Out + Painter Servant, that thay's a deck I can get behind
Wash out seems great in my ninja (umezawa) deck. Returning ninjas to my hand to then trigger umezawa again is nice
For blue green oversimplify is fun. Everyone gets an X/X and exials all creatures where X is the total power and toughness of your creature's
Hallowed Burrial is also underrated. In my opinion.
I have expel the interlopers in a "wall" deck, works well
Been running Expel the Interlopers in my walls deck. Very nice when most of your creatures have 0 power
I use wash out in my merfolk deck and it does pretty good when playing against color token spam decks
Wash out also returns lands. Don't think my pod would be down for that.
I play Expel The Interlopers in my Arcades deck, since almost all my creatures are gonna have 0 power due to them being Defenders, it's a very easy boardwipe
I prefer fell the mighty to expel the interlopers since although it’s not as flexible, it’s one white less. Not a huge deal though and expel doesn’t require you to have a creature with low power out
No; with expel the interlopers, you casting the spell must make your choices of things on the card before you pass priority. Same as anyone choosing targets for a spell before you pass priority.
Been running wash out since it first came out!
I am using Expel the interlopers in my Mr. House deck cause I can always keep him safe since he has 0 power and just call 1 if I need everything else gone.
Last one is good for wall decks
I like ritual of soot can be onesided if your opponent is platying chep creatures and you play 4+ mana creature
while I understand why you might think this there is a good reason for all of these. There are simply better options for all 3. Wash out isn't played because it isn't instant speed, Rout isn't play because Fated return is just better(though people rarely even play that because mono white is rare and better options exist in blue red and black), Expel the interlopers isn't played because the few decks that run these like arcades run board wipes that force players to sacrifice creatures above a certain power or cost less mana and effective do the same thing it's the fourth best option and people don't generally run more than 3.
All half decent in casual play as “budget” options when there are just better cards you can be running even in a casual space
Everything Comes to Dust. Easily the best Doctor Who card. With Convoke its the premiere tribal removal
Mix painter servant with wash out for better results
But then it just goes back to being a reset board wipe
There is a reason they dont see play in many decks
I really like wave of vitriol.
I considered Wash Out for Merfolk, but sadly it doesn't hit artifacts or Eldrazi.
i know im too deep into the mono white rabbit whole when i knew all of these but wash out
Washout into a wheel lol
Combine washout with persecute and you could end games right there
There are many things you can do for 8 mana and one card that would be more effective and reliable and also wouldn’t make you look like a jerk to whoever you targeted with the spells.
Wash out Eldrazi. Oh wait.
Jokulhaups sees less play than any of these according to edhrec and has won me the game every time I've resolved it.
With eldrazi on the rise I think wash out is a bit weak compared to the other options
I washed out a Citadel today!
I literally play rout and wash out in one deck
Those are definitely good cards
I run wash out in my niv deck. It’ll put a hurt on a commander game. Slow everything down.
I use wash out, I did a one sided board wipe with my dimir deck and ended up winning the game (I chose green and wiped my buddy who was winning)
Expel the Interlopers can't even kill Char-Rumbler :/
I play wash out in my talrand deck
I agree with you on wash out. The other 2... nah those arent underrated, theyre just stone cold bad cards that could only ever possibly see play in limited or super low power decks. White has better options, theres never a single justifiable reason to play those two
Love expel!
So does wash out also hot lands? I never really had to think of it but I always thought lands were also the color it produces
Nope. Lands are colorless.
Isn’t wash out also land return?
Rout being as low as it is while cyclonic is a staple is odd. I get that cyclonic bounces indestructible creatures and all non-land permanents, but the difference in play percentages still seems way too high.
There's two major differences though:
1. Cyclonic Rift is asymmetrical, while Rout is not. That inherently gives CycRift a huge advantage.
2. CycRift is in blue while Rout is in white. Blue doesn't have very many options for board wipes, while white has tons.
@@Waffletigercatalso three cyc Rift hits ALL nonland permanents. Rout only hits creatures.
Any mono white deck i make as rout in it lol
lol, I play ALL of these. :P
I feel like they only updated mantis because it was selling poorly and they wanted up the sales. Unfortunately black suit tobey is probably selling well so there’s no incentive for them to fix it.
1st one hits lands too. Diabolical
Lands are colorless so Washout doesn’t hit them.
@@Leviathan894 nah lands are the color of the mana they produce
@@justinholmes-kh9cs Yeah everybody thinks that when starting the game, but no they're colorless
Damn, wash out can bounce lands?
Nope. Color is dictated by the colors in the mana cost. Lands don't have costs, so they are colorless
I won my last game with farewell🎉
I’m sure many would because the card is dumb in how much it does.
@@Leviathan894 you don’t have to be so mean about it I killed my opponent with the planeswalker. Chill man
Tragic Arrogance. End of the debate
I think I’d rather just play Final Showdown over Rout. Cheaper to cast at instant speed, and way more versatile
I like invitation only better than these these are good spells though I do use these spells but I think invitation only is better
Wash Out + Painter's Servant to bounce all lands
It bounces everything. Including Eldrazi with Devoid as Servant's ability is stronger than Devoid
Route is an excellent example of a card that seems good until you actually try and use it. 5 mana for a simple board wipe is already ridiculous for white, which has many cheaper options. Trying to justify paying 7 mana to just destroy creatures is ludicrous. You pretty much skip your turn and are telegraphing hard that you're probably gonna do something.
Wash Out with Painters is great for face punches
But you bounce your own stuff too... Lands included.
@@DUxMORTEM yes. That's why it's great for face punching. That was the joke
Wash out is worse river rebuke
Eh, yes and no, Wash Out costs less, it hits more than one player, and it’s just less mean so it’s less likely to make someone have a grudge against you.
@@MTGRecon TBH if you river rebuke someone they kinda deserve it
I think the problem with more niche board wipes like these is that most commander decks only want 2-5 board wipes total, and it's really hard to beat out the really powerful ones like Farewell, Cyclonic Rift, Final Showdown, Tragic Arrogance, Blasphemous Act, Toxic Deluge, and Vanquish the Horde. Past that, you have to then justify them over the less popular or more restrictive but still powerful ones like Ruinous Ultimatum, In Garruk's Wake, Damnation, Supreme Verdict, Merciless Eviction, Sunfall, Evacuation, Damn, and good old WOG. This might be one of the most competitive slots in a commander deck.
I really dislike most board wipes that just fully reset the board and give you no advantage. Commander, to me, is not a super competitive format, so I’d literally rather lose the game than just wipe the board and pass. That’s why I like board wipes that can be asymmetrical and are played to help you win, not reset the game or bring it to a halt. But that’s just how I feel, and I understand some people don’t.
I play rout in almost all my white decks
Final showdown is a much better instant speed board wipe
Yes, but what if you wanted two instant speed board wipes? Or what if your group doesn’t play with it proxies and you don’t want to spend $8-10 on the card?
What I personally love about commander is that you don’t have to play the most optimal thing to have fun and that allows for a lot more cards to get played.
@@MTGRecon thats true 2 is better than one
Rout is god tier
How? There are numerous cards that accomplish what Rout does. If you’re a mono white deck, you have many ways to interact with other peoples creatures before Rout becomes the better option.
@@Leviathan894 nah, instant speed board wipe is better because you can let your opponents over commit and think they've got an opening to win the game then you wipe the board. Instant speed interaction is always better than sorcery speed.
There are a lot of board wipes in your that are cheaper or clear the board on other ways, but this is the best instant speed board wipe (easier to cast than fated retribution by a {w} at instant speed, and is cheaper to cast at survey speed by 2)
Stupid question here, but does Wash Out also bounce lands of the chosen color? Normally these kinds of cards have “nonland” in their text, but this one doesn’t. It just seems really powerful to me (maybe even too powerful) if it targets lands too.
Lands are colorless, unless a card makes them a color (like Painter’s Servant). So thankfully it doesn’t bounce lands.
@@MTGRecon Oh, I see! Thank you for the explanation! I have that card in my collection, but didn’t dare to play it in my friend group to test out! 😅😂
If younsre running some mix of temporary lockdowns, wraths, depopulates, settle the wreckages, supreme verdicts ect rhen i feel like a 4 mana wrath only reallynjustifes itself if it does something weird and good (read sunfall for example)
All of those cards are unplayable chaff
Why is something like Expel the Interlopers “unplayable?”
Ok Ok so lets do this again....
Wash Out is Crap because 1) It Only Hits Colored Cards, making it useless vs Artefacts, Eldrazi and basicly 80% of the Things which make the Core of a Commander Deck. 2) Wash Out is utterly useless if someone plays the Same Color as yourself, because outside of very specific Decks/Combos(which use this card) you lose mostly more as your Opponent.
Expel the Interlopers basicly is the Same, just instead of color it "checks" Power of Creatures, making it even more restricted. Therefore requiering even more of a spcific deck.
First, while this video is about board wipes, I do think of Wash Out more as a multi-targeted removal spell. I never expect it to fully “wipe” the board. It’s best in either lower color decks or higher color (with low multicolor count) decks that can use it to remove 3+ good permanents all at once, with you most likely casting the spell to get rid of 1 or 2 in particular. It’s especially good against token decks, and while it can bounce your board if you choose one of your colors, that’s really a “press button in case of emergency” option that still isn’t the worst in the world since blue often has lots of ETBs or is more spell based. It really depends on how your deck is built, and what your meta looks like. (Also I don’t find commander to be that much fun when everyone’s decks are built on a colorless core that could be in any deck, as I like restrictions in deck building that make each of my decks feel different. I’ll run a couple of the big ones like sol ring/arcane signet, but that’s about it. Although that’s just me.
As for Expel, I really like Expel the Interlopers because it always has the mode of “destroy all creatures” in essence, because you can choose power 0 or greater. I personally love it in token decks where most of the time I can choose 2 or 3 and get all of the big threats leaving my tokens alone, but if I need to get rid of a bunch of my opponents’ creatures i can choose 0 in that moment too. Even in non token decks you may just be in a situation where a number works out really well for you, and leaves you with at least something while dealing with the problematic creatures.
@@MTGRecon Yeah thats Fine. And in such Situations or Decks the Cards can work good, even Great. But this is Basicly in Specific Decks. I mean you basicly Name such Decks yourself in your Response. So it makes sense that these Cards only Used 1% or so, of all Decks. Thats basicly the Whole Argument here ^^
Wash out includes lands by the way
Lands are colorless, so unless you make them a color, they’re safe (thankfully).
Wash out also targets lands, so be careful of the 🧂
If you don't have something better to do with 7 mana in white than wrath at instant speed, that's on you. Rout is played as much as it should be.
The intention is that you can cast it that way if you have the mana, but it can also just be a normal board wipe for 5.
Exactly! It's a mid-on-a-good-day card with the option to cast it as an even worse card! Versatility at its finest.
Those are all trash
I find them all to be very modal, and focus more on winning the game rather than just saving yourself, which is what I value in a board wipe.
@@MTGRecon washout problematic if your opponents are running similar colors to you. Rout is over costed and instant speed is hard to make useful unless you have away to make creatures also indestructible so it non symmetrical and expel the interlopers is over costed and only tokens decks and smaller creatures decks.