Hollow Knight Vs Ori and the Will of the Wisps - Battle of the Metroidvanias
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- #hollowknight Hollow Knight was released on February 24, 2017, and Ori and the Will of the Wisps was released on March 11, 2020. Both of these games are popular Metroidvanias, but which game is best? In this video I compare and contrast these two games to figure out which game is the better video game. Enjoy ;)
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0:00 Intro
2:46 Platforming
3:56 Combat
5:22 Visuals
6:15 Bosses
7:48 Story
10:13 Originality
12:01 Soundtrack
14:21 Other Comparisons
15:33 Final Results and Conclusion
16:15 Thanks for Watching! - Hry
Ori's franchese is definietly underrated. It visuals and storytelling is something i haven't seen and something i really miss in other games.
There's truth to that. I just want more video games that combine fun gameplay with solid visuals and performance. I will say, some people have experienced framerate issues with the Will of the Wisps tho.
@@WyvrnOnYT Yeah, WoTW's requrements might be low to lunch the game, but to have smooth experience you need at least avarage gaming pc. Im still impressed that this game is going ~smooth on Switch tho.
Yeah let’s just talk about the overwhelming amount of “borrowed” content from hollow knight
@@amethyst997every metroidvania copies of eachother and that is not an overwhelming amount.
@@fawonthe 269€ xbox series s doest it in 4k 60fps or 1080p 120 fps. Very smooth
“Ori’s soundtrack is the best soundtrack in gaming history in my opinion”
“I’m going to give these two soundtracks a tie”
What?
Hollow Knight soundtrack is good too
Hollow Knight's music is the best
@@theanimationshow-fr-8516...
No
I prefer HK's, but I was confused by this too. I thought, for sure, he'd give it to Ori based on what he said about it
same with visuals. he said ori looks better and ends up giving both a point like wtf???
I'm not an emotional guy, but that moment in Ori shown at 2:45 is one the most brutal gut punches a game has ever made me feel. I was devastated. I'll never forget it. And Ori's bittersweet ending left me just... processing afterwards. Hollow Knight is my favorite game of all time, but Will of the Wisps is absolutely incredible as well.
poor moki
I felt the same with Quirrel in Hollow Knight
Ori's ending and Hollow knight's ending feel really similar (I'm not saying it is copied). With both Ori and the Knight sacrificing themselves to save the forest/hollow nest. Though I guess Ori will be reborn while the knight is completely destroyed
Both heroes represent well their respective environment. Ori full of life and love, Knight devoid of both, like the lands which they fighting for.
@@N_Tertainment7 HALLOWnest, not hollow nest
The thing about visuals is that Ori has more detail in art itself, but Hollow Knight's lore is in 60% taken from backround and the background also tells the story
I started Hollow Knight a couple of weeks ago, and am having a hard time getting into it. This surprised me because I've heard it is very similar to Ori and I loved Ori. But playing Hollow Knight, I often feel bored and unmotivated. I don't feel any connection to the character, and I often don't know where to go next. Part of that is because I keep putting it down to play other games. Ori, on the other hand, really drew me in. I stuck to it and completed it over the course of a few days. Like you said, the story was simple but emotional. Maybe if I watch that Hollow Knight lore video it will help.
How far into the game are you? I genuinely felt the same way because initially I struggled, the objectives weren't clear, and I was stuck on a certain part. I even dropped it for a year because I wasn't sure I would enjoy it. But after someone convinced me to return, I got past the part I was stuck on and it unlocked so much more all of a sudden. It genuinely gets so deep I felt dumb for not giving it the chance it deserved. I eventually over 100% it, so you might want to at least give it more of a chance (at least get to the 3rd boss of the mantis lords and you'll see how fun this game can be)
@@nandanvinjamury I haven't played for a while. I got wrapped up in the Yakuza series. The most recent thing I remember doing was unlocking the ability to wall jump. I'm definitely going to get back to it at some point. Maybe I'll watch the lore video first so I feel more of a connection to the story. And while I generally dislike consulting guides, maybe I'll make an exception for this game so I can spend less time wandering around aimlessly, and more time progressing. Thanks for the feedback.
@@Jayhawker2000while I advice not spoiling yourself on the story since discovery is one of the best thing about this game imo is the discovery, one advice I can offer is that buy pins to mark on your map or look at your map on places you havent been or couldn't get to because you didnt have certain abilities. HK is sorta linear up until you get the Mantis Claw (wall jump). The game lets go of you at that point and it's where players will have different paths depending on where they poke around. Most players tho will follow Hornet again to the right going thru this section that needs wall jump and into the City of Tears.
HK is not as straightforward in telling you where to go unlike Ori and it's something i like better about it. Neighbouring areas are connected in some ways and it's what makes each player's playthrough unique. One way or another, you will always come back to the area again and it's truly the metroidvania experience.
I'll back up that other comment. Struggled to get into the game and after unlocking the walljump and another upgrade, I put it down for around a year.
Someone pushed me to give it another try, and after just exploring for a while with an exploratory mentality everything clicked and that game became one of my favourites.
What happens it that before the walljump is unlocked the game is pretty linear in its route, but after it *really* opens up.
same I struggle to get into HK, nothing about it gave me the feeling that I want to play. I think the story is the reason, i cant stand hunting for story by reading like what ER is doing which i consider to be inferior way of story telling, this is like watching a movie instead of giving me the story, it forces me to look for little clues and figure what the F I am watching.
Love both games but Ori's art and graphics takes the cake, idk how anyone could say it's not the better game, it just puts it over the top
Although I love hollow knight as a whole, Ori still beats hollow knight when it comes to the movements. Exploring and backtracking in Ori is just so fluid and far from boring, its satisfying when you unlock all the movement skills and just zoom through the map
Yeah one of my favourite things I’ve done in a game was backtracking to get 100% map completion before doing the final boss in Ori and the Blind Forest. I’m assuming WoTW will be similarly satisfying but I haven’t finished it yet so I can’t really say.
@@notapplicable1112wotw is way better than the blind forest
Both of these games are masterpieces and a lot of these comparisons could go either way. I think Silksong will expand on the genre even more, and will be even better than both of these games in its own ways, which is why I’m looking forward to it so much.
i feel like silk song will end up being either one of the best games in history or it could be a huge disappointment. i’m convinced that it will be amazing either way
ori isnt a masterpiece
@@theagentbobo2162 You can have that opinion, but I will say that many people like it and it is critically acclaimed.
@@sirrylanknight39 Hopefully its great, Ill just play totk and wait and see
You still think Silksong exists?
I consider both of these games as masterpieces, I cant put one obove another when it comes to gameplay. Speaking of graphics and music I would choose Ori every while of my life. Don't get me wrong Hollow Knight theming and soundtrack is a masterpiece, but Ori... It's a level out of this world
gotta be honest, it kinda sucks that you didn't point out that everything in hollow knight was hand drawn and hand animated by one dude. ori has great visuals yeah but hollow knight's visuals are incredibly impressive for a 3 person team
impressiveness and quality are 2 different things. while a single person creating a 98/100 is more impressive then team of 100 creating a 99/100 it still means that the team of 100 created the better product
Who cares. Ori visuals are in a league of its own and better by miles than Hollow Knight.
Hollow knight looks good, but Ori is the Highest form of art.
Lol not really@@20puskinas1992
Then again, both are hand drawn.
Hollow Knight's visuals are better in my opinion, but even if you think otherwise you would still have to give Hollow Knight "the point" on visuals because they were made by one guy and Ori's were made by 80 people so you would have to think about the visuals like if Hollow Knight had 80 people on visuals would it be better than Ori's visuals and the answer is yes so Hollow Knight still wins on visuals@@20puskinas1992
You cant compare them. Each game has their own beatiful things. But there is one aspect that hollow knight has that ori 2 doesnt have is that hk is MUCH longer to play. Also, it has multiple endings and parts like the hall of gods, where you can just replay every boss.
holy crap I was litterally thinking the same thing
I prefer there only being one ending because I always get the worst ending on multiple ending games, and I don’t usually replay games especially with there being the risk that I do it wrong and get the same ending, unless I use yt tutorials which is just long
You can actually replay every boss I'm ori too, the fight against the spider was one of them. I believe you can also do every running passage again but I'm not sure about that
@@phl_2504you can!
@@felepaopinions997you can get every ending on a single file, after you get the first ending you can keep playing to get the requirements needed for the other endings without losing any progress, hope this helps!
I would add another category, something like, "world dynamic" or "characters" - and would give it to Hollow Knight, cause... well, the world and the characters feel more "alive" there, whereas in Ori they are more archetypical and don't have much depth. This feeling of the world was something very unique for me in Hollow Knight. To the point where I wouldn't even call it a game, per se, but something bigger. You almost have to be prepared and willing to live through Hollow Knight, which makes it hard to recommend it to casual players. And Ori is just a great game you can recommend to anyone. I guess, similar to how both Mozart and Michael Jackson are great, but in very different ways and for very different contexts. If you haven't played Outer Wilds - give yourself a treat (but don't look up ANYTHING about it)
Amazing video and I really like this style of content! I played blind forest and ori and the will of the wisps then played hollow knight and I can say ori and hollow knight are both metroidvania masterpieces. Ori has a lot less content than hollow knight but low content doesn’t make a game bad. They are both really fun and beautiful games. Keep up the great work (I hope your channel gets monetised)!
I loved both these games so much I had a local artist creat a beautiful acrylic painting for each one.
Awesome vid, you did a great job being subjective and fair. People play both these games and you won't be disappointed.
Nice video, i can’t say much because I’ve only played hollow knight, but I’m planning on playing ori and the will of the wisps soon, so far the game looks beautiful.
Also congrats on being so close to being monetized on CZcams, you deserve it
Try playing hard mode, normal mode is way too easy
in my opinion they feel like two completly games, with ori feeling cinematic, fast paced with a direct story, while hollow knight is thought out, and you can grasp the feeling of decay in the kingdom even though the story is mostly hidden
Hollow Knight didn't created bosses or swords, it's just a stupid point to say that they copied that
But great video
I mentioned that point in the video and make no attempt to accuse Ori of copying. In fact, I did the complete opposite.
@@WyvrnOnYT ohhh
Did u actually watched the video?
Can’t wait till we get a sequel of this with Silksong and Ori 3
There wont be an ori 3
@@TheDavianSea The final scene of the Will of the Wisps was hinting towards a new game. You might not play as the same Ori though.
@@TheDavianSea There are some rumors and leaks, there a couple articles on it.
@@TheDavianSea nah, pretty sure the devs aren't valve
the joke is in the fact that valve can't count to 3
Ori's music still gives me chills
You forgot: “which games development is more impressive?”
Ori: multimillion dollar major studio massive team release with decades of experience between them
Hollow knight: handful of guys doing their first real video game in their lives funded by kickstarter for under $60k
Hollow knight wins as the better game for this reason alone. Team cherry had next to no idea what they were doing, yet did it better than almost anyone has ever done and they made history doing it. another category could also be bonus content and cost.
Ori was like $60 when it came out and as far as i know didn’t have any real DLC. Hollow knight was $15 and team cherry released like two whole video games worth of dlc for FREE!
Hollow knight also wins as the better game for those reasons alone. Both ori games are masterpieces. but Hollow knight just set the bar so incredibly high it’s not really worth comparing it to anything else right now. or probably ever. Cuz other than silksong we’re never going to see a game of that scale with that much quality for that cheap ever again.
Ori's gaming pace can be used to practice for maneuvering in boss fights on Hollowknight they compliment each other.
Great review! Bought both based on your breakdown. Thx!
"Ori is my favorite soundtrack in the history of video games. So, it's a tie." LoL Sorry, had to take a dig at you on that one!
I wanted to talk a bit about the very different style of movement in these games and how it plays into the combat and platforming elements. A lot of people really like the tight control of HK and it's a big reason why those intricate boss fights work so well. By comparison, Ori has a much less precise and floaty acrobatic style to its movement that lends itself better to the creative platforming and dramatic escape sequences that replace boss battles in parts of the game. They feel so different that you're almost certain to prefer one over the other and they're also so central to the gameplay that this is likely to be as much of a deciding factor for the individual as elements like the soundtrack or visuals.
I personally prefer ori, i couldnt get behind the art of hollow knight, as well as the platforming after playing ori, who basically flies almost half the game, and the fact that my fear of underground made hollow knight make me feel trapped. So basically totally biased ori had pretty colors and art and, imo, better music for me ❤❤❤
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Okay, the music isn't true bro. 3/4 of Ori's song are forgetable (and 100% of Blind Forest). Don't get me wrong, I think the musics are "better made" than Hollow Knight, they just too much sound like wind. It enters one ear and goes trough another
@@christopherenegane5812 people like difderent types of music. Thats why i said imo, the music is better. I like it alot
@@christopherenegane5812 I found HK’s music much more forgettable than WOTW’s
I believe it is mostly due to personnal taste in music. Plus, Ori's music has a lot of leithmotif, wich maybe helps. Ori and the Blind forest is probably factualy forgettable, due to the mostly Orchestral instruments, that tends to sound like wind @@sigsqrl
Great Comparison, I would have given Soundtrack to Ori tho.What I also find exitcing is the fact that Ori and the will of the wisps was the "second part" of Ori and the blind forest and I they Made it perfect in every way. And still Hollow Knight Beat it. I think that Shows how crazy good silksong is going to be.
I feel like this is the case where they’re both so good that I can’t even be upset at either losing to another. Like god of war losing to elden ring, I’m just happy both these masterpieces exist.
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I really hate videos like that, because it only makes people angry and eachother. Ori fans will be angry at hk fans because you say hk is better, and hk will be angry at orin fans because they belive ori isn't better
Hollow knight is my favorite but i cant deny the INCREDIBLE movement, abilities, and art of ori. Its so smooth and fast paced that it is securely placed as a masterpiece. However, hollow knight takes my heart with the lore, soundtrack, and replayability. Its simply unmatched.
I absolutely love Ori and still choose that game over Hollow Knight. And even though I haven’t played Hollow Knight, I will absolutely admit that the combat is miles better than Ori. But that’s about where it ends for me. The emotional masterpiece of a story from Will of the Wisps, the level design, the heart stringing soundtrack, and the art of the entire game just blows Hollow Knight out of the water in those aspects. Just from the gameplay I’ve seen around CZcams, Hollow Knight looks very very fun. And I love that dark and ominous vibe it seems to have. But Ori had my jaw on the floor for 95% of my playthrough and not to mention I most definitely cried at multiple parts throughout the game. It really can’t be understated how amazing that game is, and it’s a shame that it’s not even that popular. Because if it was, we might’ve had a chance at an Ori movie which would’ve been so so so cool.
You can't just say that without playing hk, that's nonsense.. and also hollow knight's lore is far better than ori's and it's one of the best ever in video games, and hk soundtracks are not better but able to keep up with ori's. Next time play both before commenting
My differing opinions:
I think visuals is a pretty clear ori win. I mean, HK's artstyle might be unique in its own way, but the visuals in ori were just simply amazing.
I'd give story to HK. Even though they kind of did a shitty job about telling us the story in HK, thanks to our savior Mossbag we know the storyline. Not saying ori's story is bad by any means, it's just most of the characters in ori weren't that interesting to me and I oftentimes found myself wanting to skip dialogues since they felt kinda meh and generic whereas at HK that was never the case.
Soundtrack: Not differing but I just wanted to point out just how freaking brilliant the soundtracks were in both games...
Thanks for the video! In summary those are both amazing games and both are one of my favorite games for sure. Have a good one y'all
I dont get the same satisfaction from metroid and castlevania vs ori, HK and ender lilies. The adventure and visuals of Ori and HK are really special
Really good Video. If I May give you a litzle advice, that epuld habe made the "Story"part way easier. You already said that hollow knight has a better lore but ori the better Story. You should just separate them completly if you ever do such a Video again. Kepp going!
Thank you for making this video, it awakened me to understanding how good is mora the spider’s theme?
Oops i made a question mark
Hey brother - thanks for the video - Question. Did this channel become a career for you?
If we're talking about background elements influencing the story, the musical elements of Ori have to be considered. It uses of leitmotif like no other game, in so many ways. At the end of the game, it plays Ori, Lost in the Storm, which was the track at the very beginning of Ori and the Blind Forest, and that will forever hit like a punch in the stomach. Ori WotW is my favorite game of all time, but both games are great
I‘m not a fan of Metroid, but i LOVE Hollow Knight and Ori. Both are really masterpieces ❤❤
Hollow Knight is one the best games ever made. I love the way the player has to discover the story rather than being told everything. You gradually uncover more and more pieces and it just keep getting deeper and deeper until you finally reach the true end boss and it’s just a mind blowing experience when it all finally comes together. Ori is a great game as well, but you pretty much know the story by time the opening of the game is finished.
Totally agree. I've play hollow knight for 180 hours and still have alot more to do and just finished ori and the blind forest after 12!
Thanks for the amazing video!😀
9:55 The change was smooth!
I have a thing for a good score, so much so that despite never having played Ori and the will of the wisp, I've still listened through the entire 3 1/2 hr score at least three times now, and I've watched through the entire gameplay at least once. Love that score....
Did that maniac just call the path of pain "fun"?!
it IS fun
There’s absolutely no shot Ori beats HK
Ori 2 is my personal favorite game of all time, although i acknowledge that hollow knight is better as a game, but I played ori first so I just have more and better memories of playing it
I’ve only played Blind Forest and some of Will of the Wisps so I can’t exactly compare them to HK myself, but considering that they’re some of my favourite games ever I’d be willing to try HK at some point if it’s that good (although I don’t think the visuals in HK could EVER compare to Ori in my eyes just cause I absolutely love the aesthetic of nature in general and Ori does it so well)
At least you won't mistake a spike for bacckground lmao
Bro I played the will of the wisp and blind forest several times, and I have to admit, I really missed the story and talent tree and stuff from the first one in the second. I genuinely think ori 1 is underrated, everybody is talking about 2 but like the story of 1? The soundtrack? Both is (in my opinion) more emotional than in 2, there aren't any bossfights, that's right, but you really don't miss them in 1, and everything is handdrawn. If you asked me which one I would pick and retry from the start, I would always go with one. 😊
Both stories sucked, but I mean, yeah. Good if you enjoyed it@@phl_2504
So I think the only reason Hollow Knight fanboy hate Ori the second game is those spirit shards' UI and themself.
I never went all the way through hollow knight I lost interest maybe around 3-4 hrs but ori and the will of the wisps was the first Metroidavania I ever played I played it when I was 9~ but to this day is one of or my most favorite game I have ever played
Edit: every time I hear the song at the end of your videos I cry
I 1st saw the game around 2015 Jackcepticeye Playing I absolutely loved the game and obsessed over it.
2019 i bought the Sequel and got the Blind Forest definitive edition as well but i couldn’t play it at the time i only got to for a few mins
Fast forward to 2023 I finally got to play it and continued where i left off, I Absolutely LOVED the Game, from start to finish everything else was super enjoyable and it became my most favorite game of all time ever, still is now after 6-7 months or so that i kept playing it again after i finished it, i played the Original as well “Blind Forest” it was good, but damn the Sequel really made the game 10x Better.
I tried Hk after Ori blind forest and TWOTW, i was kinda part of the HK community at some point and also had knowledge about its deep lore already but never really got to play it, i enjoyed the game playing it blindly but a lot of my problems with the game on my 1st playthrough where progression and traveling, it became insanely tedious doing this things and doing it blind meant that a lot of it where me trying to figure out where i should go or what i should do that by the end i had to look things up just to progress because it got to the point that my whole run went from 26 hours which for me is long enough, the Bosses and Enemies didnt pose much of a problem tho i do loved the combat of it, it didn’t feel as good than i thought.
I played the game again which i bought from Steam a Week From now, around 16 hours of playing it and about to fight the Hollow Knight after finishing a lot of the Quests and sides first, the game was a lot more enjoyable honestly, i still did some wiki on things that i forgot just to avoid a lot of downtime, and i also did some Modding with the game before i booted it up the 1st time on Steam
With all of this Said Ori & TWOTW is still my Most favorite game of All time, the Combat is arguably not as good as Hk but damn its a lot more Satisfying for me, the Platforming is so damn good as well, The music… oh my god the Music is just THE BEST, the story was ok Oh and Progressing through the game Feels smooth as Butter and anything you do either it being sidequests collecting it all contributes to progressing and it never ever feels boring or Tedious AT ALL, and Finally the real reason why its my most Favorite of all Time its because of “Ori”, i cant stop obsessing about this Cute fella.
Thanks. I've been on the fence about playing hollow knight because I didn't want to be disappointed. My experience with Ori was a 10/10 except my fingers were tired from the escape sequences. >: So this one may have encouraged me to try and play it.
Hollow Knight is so popular that people think that Dracula from Castlevania stole movesets from Grimm lol
haha
Good Video 👍🏻
Hollow knight path of pain platforming is something else 💀
As someone who has played both to the complete full 100s of hours on each ive got to say i found ori wuite a lot more fun
Edit Here:
Hollow knights soundtrack is definitely better but no hate towards oris
Hollow knight is better in IMO but the story of ori is better and sweeter I guess you could say
I finished ori and the will of the wisps long ago but I will beat hollow knight and come back to this video
11:35, hollow knight is not close to dark souls, it’s only called 2D dark souls because of the lore and dystopian world
Interesting and well thought-out video. This is a hard pick and for me it's impossible to choose because they have such a different feel to them. If I *have* to choose I'd say Ori while playing Ori and vice versa.
My only critique is calling Ori a "he", but that's a whole other rabbit hole...
I even have ori and the will of the wisps as my wallpaper on my computer for school
HK is too complicated for me. Ori has better visual effect and gaming experience, such as the more convenient way to transport and the speed of action. Both are excellent games, but I will go for Ori.
You should have been talking about exploration more. It is what made Hollow Knight so incredible.
Me who have ori and hk: i dont care
Since you just got into metroidvanias you my friend need to play an Igavania try either Castlevania Symphony of the Night or Bloodstained Ritual of the Night
The first Ori was good but also very frustrating
The second one, omg so far I am in love, I think it's really amazing
That’s because it is…wait until you get to Luna Pools….
"Metroidvanias take a lot of inspiration from Metorid and Castlevania"
No way really I would have never guessed
i like both of the games and ori and the will of the wisps is my favourit game but i still see how people like hollow knight more
If you like soundstracks you need to try something like elden ring or maybe bloodborne. Those soundtracks are fire.
Not only that silk song is coming out After hollowKnight soon I don’t know when but there might be a new game of moon Studios
Good video, but there were some points that really baffled me. The "iconic" category was basically a popularity contest. HK is more popular, so more iconic, so it won. Huh. Also you said Ori had your favorite game soundtrack of all time but still gave a tie. And saying Ori copied boss fights and melee combat from Hk? What? That makes literally no sense. Dark souls has bosses and melee combat, does that mean Hk copied those? No, it doesn't. Same for Ori. Otherwise, great video. I personally think that they are both goddamn masterpieces and deserve all they praise they can get.
Edit: one more thing. I think one of the reasons hollow knight's combat is so amazing has a lot to do with how well designed its bosses are around said combat. If Ori had better bosses, it's combat would feel way better as a result. I would still give Hk the win in combat over Ori, but I think Ori's combat is hurt by it's just ok bosses. What I'm trying to say is, combat and bosses are very tightly linked. Bad combat, then bad bosses. Bad bosses, then bad combat. It's very much a dependant relationship.
That's why the iconic category only counted towards half a point.
I did also say Ori and the Will of the Wisps had my favorite soundtrack of all time, but I didn't give Ori the win in that category because it's impossible to make an objective argument based on my personal preference.
The Melee combat being added to Ori and the Will of the Wisps is still relevant to the discussion because of how drastic it is compared to Ori and the Blind Forest. It seems like the game tried to inch closer to Hollow Knight's gameplay. That's why I mentioned it, and I don't regret mentioning it.
@@WyvrnOnYT It is true that it is impossible to objectively say one thing is better than another based on subjectivity, and ori and Hk's ost's are no exception. I think the reason it tickled me the wrong way was because the whole video is all about deciding whether one this is better than another using subjectivity. What makes the ost's different? Not saying there isn't a difference, I just genuinely want to know why this decision was made.
As for the combat, there were a lot of complaints about Blind forest's combat being pretty bad (which are all warranted, it was bad) so I think revamping the combat was always a priority with the sequel. Mossbag makes the same point in his video. The bosses one could make a case for ori taking inspiration, but I still wouldn't say that their inclusion makes ori less original than Hk in that aspect. You can't confirm that Hk got its ideas from dark souls, so you can't really do it for Ori either.
Try not to take this as me just bashing on your video, I'm only voicing the negatives I thought which I now realize isn't totally constructive. There were a lot of points I agreed with, and it was a really neatly put together video. I really do love your content, I just really like discussing video games on the internet. Peace bro ❤
@@spoop7623 Yeah. I noticed I should have cleared this up in the video, but:
This video is my opinion, but I base my opinion on what I think is objectively correct. So in other words, I couldn't choose either soundtrack to be better than the other because I think they are both of the same quality. Ori's soundtrack is more of my "taste" which is why it's my favorite video game soundtrack of all time, but my opinion is that neither soundtrack is objectively better than the other.
So basically, this video is my subjective opinion, but based on what I think is objective, and I couldn't find an objective argument for either soundtrack, so that's why I settled that segment with a tie. I understand this comes off as confusing, and I should have done a better job at breaking it down in the intro
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@@spoop7623 havent played Ori, but if the shard system mentioned works exactly like the notch/charm system in hollow knight i think they did actually copy that, which isnt a bad thing. Because while Swords and Bosses are in a billion other games, the only other game that has a similar system for upgrades as hollow knights charm system is Star Wars Jedi survivor, which came out just recently.
I greatly enjoyed both games and I must say that Hollow Knight have an ambiance and great atmosphere I played it to know more and feel owsomnes of a design and atmosphere, while Ori have better platofrming gameplay for me especially in a secound game, but both games are great and awsome.
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honestly i love both games. i really do. but if it is a vs it has to be hk for me. ori is a amazing game. the platforming is fluid and just great and def is the better gameplay mechanic then combat. and platforming is way better then hollow knights by a long shot. though i do still love hk's platforming. the story is good if u want one that plays on your heart strings. the graphics are vibrant, colourful beautiful, i love exploring the world and i love the music. sure combat in my opinion was lacking. more so with content for it. but overall it's an amazing game. and sure has some hk features that could be ripped off but that's not here or there cuz honestly i don't really care about that much at all. could make the same argument for any game. but to me at least it does feel kinda shoved in with the combat and shard mechanics. but i love shards cuz most times i just put on stuff to make parkour more fun so i don't really care i had fun with it.
for hk it's def the one i played the most and the most rememberable out of the two for me. the decrepit dark cartoony artstyle works well and the music on top of it to me is godly. ori's story tugs on heartstrings a bit but to me doesn't hold a candle to the music alone. when i play hollow knight and hear the music god it makes me feel that it wants me to feel. if a game can do that u have done an amazing job. sure i like ori's soundtrack and it is good but honestly i can't really remember. any music of the game. which isn't to say it's bad. it just wasn't that rememberable. but more then that exploring it to me is more fun, fighting is more fun with rememberable boss fights and i remember all of it. and the content in it is so much it's crazy how this is the price it is. but more then that god the story.
these two games play on different themes so it just depends which one u like more but in my opinion hk is better. and i love both a lot. exploring the world and learning about it as u go with what u find on lore tablets or lore from npc's. u puzzle it together to make sense of what happened in this kingdom. what happened to these bugs who now attack u. and learning why the knight is here at all and learning more about the knight as we go on. the story isn't flat out told to us. and we as the player can make headcannons of the story of the stuff we learn. and it'll probably be accepted. it's like endings. there is no "true" ending. it's really whatever u like most. they give you the tools for a story and then u as the player can make it. and that is magical. i love stuff like that. there's nothing wrong with ori's story at all. i just like the way hk does it's story telling better and allows freedom into thinking what u wanna think it is. as long as it makes sense.
as npc standpoints go i like both but again i just like hk's better. more memorable. i also think exploring hk is more fun then ori. cuz i can't really remember much from ori's world at all other then a few places.
honestly both are amazing games and if u haven't played them u def should. and this is also my opinion too. it's fine if u like ori over hollow knight. nothing wrong with it at all. if ori is the type of game that hits u like hk does for me. that's great! just out of the two for me hollow knight was more rememberable and also more enjoyable and is just more of my game then ori is. i do think ori is way easier then hk. which to me ruins it a bit more so with the gameplay mechanic they put in it but eh. oh i also don't get the dark souls comparison to hk people make. the only thing they have in common is the shade where u lose ur money when u die and souls u lose when u die. and have to go back to the location u died to get it. and also it being difficult. but i just don't get it at all. i could go on and on but honestly i think i said all i needed to on this. if u read this all to the end then thanks!! i know it was long haha! anyway seeya!
I seriously don't see how Ori didn't win at the soundrack and visuals, this video was too biased towards hollow knight
In this video, I mentioned that Ori and the Will of the Wisps is my favorite videogame soundtrack of all time. However, both games have an incredibly impressive orchestra, and no soundtrack is objectively better than the other.
For the visual conversation, Ori and the Will of the Wisps is also one of my favorite games in terms of how beautiful it is, but you must understand that visuals are including graphics, performance, and art style. While Ori is the more "Beautiful game", Hollow Knight's art style is a lot more original and unique. Also, certain versions of the Will of the Wisps have framerate issues (The Switch version) Whereas Hollow Knight is absolutely rock solid across all platforms.
In other words; if there were any bias included in this video, it would have been in favor of Ori and the Will of the Wisps, because I actually prefer this game on a personal level.
@@WyvrnOnYT Comparing music can't be done objectively according to you, but somehow comparing visuals is an objective thing? that seems kind of arbitrary.
And what game looks like Ori 2? a lot of games did the cartoony look Hollow Knight did imo.
Both are also my Favorite if anyone compare its her choice but i Likes both Games.
Ori definately has the better soundtrack and it's visuals are far superior, I feel like using its performance on the nintendo switch as a factor in ranking visuals is a little bit of looking for an excuse to not lose hollow knignt a point. Also, personally I'd divide story into three sections: story, lore and characters, with Ori winning story, Hollow knight winning lore, and it'd be a toss up for characters, though I'd favor Ori because half of hollow knight's characters are designed to lack personality. Plus, the villains in both Ori games have really compelling stories and motivations, whereas the hollow knight itself is a nearly blank character being puppeted by a god who is, itself lacking in character.
Saying that hollow knight's characters lack of a presonality is the worst thing you can say.... hk world feels a lot more alive than ori's and every single character has a story behind him, the spirit's grave in resting grounds alone has more character than wotw and also the knight (the main character) is bland and mute because he's HOLLOW, if he talked or had any emotion it wouldn't make sense and you wouldn't concentrate as much on the story
@@user-kh3mt5oq5u that is subjective on how you categorise personality, I think Ori has more of that. And yes, I know the protagonist having no personality is purposeful, but that doesn't change the fact they still have no personality.
@@samaron8970 the protagonist ok, but there are way more npcs and with a lot of perosnality in hk, they're even making silksong because ornet was so loved in the first game they decided to not just create a dlc but a whole game
@@user-kh3mt5oq5u But there really aren't that many NPC's with much personality, I should admit that I haven't actually played the game, just watched a lot about it, my original comment was meant to highlight where the video was being disingenuous about Ori, and I certainly wouldn't want to do the same thing in reverse, but as far as I'm aware, most of what you encounter in hollow knight are infected, mindless husks, not to say there aren't plenty of NPC's, I know there are, but a lot of them do seem fairly one-note with noteable exceptions like Cornifer and (for better or worse) Zote. Not neccessarily saying Ori has more rich or memorable NPC's, but I do feel they're on fairly equal footing. My main point about characters was really based on the fact the Ori games have much more complex villains, the Hollow Knight is almost totally hollow as the name implies, and the Radiance is just a scorned god angry that the bugs stopped worshipping her. The DLC's may have added a good deal more, but if we include Hollow knight's DLC's then I'd say it's fair to also include both Ori games and at that point I still think Kuro surpasses Grimm.
@@samaron8970 hk plot alone makes him a better character than ori's villain, the pale king is easily better than ori's villain and also the hollow knight himself, you should try playing both games before deciding which one's better or else you'll be obviously influenced
Have you checked out the yt channel "Video Game is ART"? She does a very comprehensive analysis on the soundtrack of both franchises.
The Ori fanboys really want you to be aware of their presence in this comment section.
Well, to be fair, in ori you can take a screenshot at basically any point and frame it
I thanks to God for be able to play and enjoy both of this masterpieces
maybe I should play both games before comparing them but, I enjoy the ori games to bits. while I completely respect the hell out of the guys that made hollow knight, there is something about how readable moves are in the game. it's just really hard for me to tell what is happening in hollow knight. in ori it is very clear to me what moves are being done and when. both the player and the enemies need telegraphed with every strike and jump.
I feel like it's not the game, but the way I take it in.
I also really enjoy the spyro remasters for the same reason. it's really easy for me to understand everything that's happening
Exactly ! I tried HK. And couldn’t get pass the movement and didn’t understand shit. Ori is a 1000 times more fluent and open. Game is 10/10 . Best story , music , visuals , weapons.
I didn’t agree with the weapons parts. Ori has better weapons and better visuals.
@@smokeyb321 In my opinion, its the complete opposite. But, Ori is good too. I haven’t tried it, only Blind Forest.
@@smokeyb321 the movement is literally just walk, jump, forward slash, upward slash, downward slash/pogo and spells. how do you not understand that
I got ori first and played it a 17 hours in like 3 days but I spent over 60 hours on hollow knight so I think it’s a clear winner
Ive tried both games, but hallow knight just didnt stick for me, but ori and the will of the wisps is a different story, I loved the game, its probably the only game to make me bawl from its story, but also have fun platforming and combat.
hoohoohooooo Ori got steamrolled
i like this video, and uh, yeah, i forgot about how much the ori soundtrack... well it doesn't slap but it gives me the same emotions just with more swaying and less handbanging
I loved both Ori games. Super fun and emotional. Hollow Knight I played only once, killed the Hollow Knight and had no desire to play more. Cool game ig
POV : your too lazy to fight the radiance.
You mentioned Ori has your favorite soundtrack of all time but then gave it a tie, you also said Ori is your preferred type of game overall but gave the win to Hollow Knight. Its like you're trying to be on the fence but favoring the other side, your opinion doesn't seem clear cut which is conflicting.
Calling it a tie on visuals/graphics is where your Hollow Knight bias really started to show. Great video all the same
I thank you for the kind words, but I also disagree. In fact I'm not sure if I said this in this video, but I actually prefer Ori and the Will of the Wisps from a personal standpoint. Ori and the Will of the Wisps is my favorite Metroidvania.
The reason it lost this comparison was pretty simple: This wasn't a favorites comparison, this was an objective comparison. And objectively speaking, Hollow Knight is the better video game overall, without any bias.
So if there's any bias in this video, it would most likely be in favor of Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Why? Ori's visuals were obviously more complex to make, but complex does not automatically mean better. HK is aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes despite its simplicity.
Heard great things about Ori and the Will of the Wisps...then I played it. And it's one of the few video games I didn't like.
It's a beautiful game, but far too linear. The story is also lackluster. I ran into a bunch of bugs, which surprised me, considering the development team was pretty large, and that's unacceptable. The combat was okay, and I could see the amount of work they put into it, but it just didn't feel great. It seemed more for spectacle and lacked fluidity.
The music also wasnt memorable for me, either.
It's not a bad game, but certainly not in the same league as Hollow Knight.
I actually installed hollow knight cuz i thought it was an ori ripoff that can run on my device
But after trying both i still cant choose lol i just agree with ur rating in the vid
I think some of these you gave a tie should have gone to ori but you like ori less so you gave them both a point. I think graphically ori has so much more going on than hollow night how you gave that a tie is beyond me.
I loved hollow knight for it's atmosphere
I loved ori for its visuals and music 🎶
And I’ve played both of those games hollow knight and ori the will of the wisps plus the blind forest
might be weird but I liked blind forest over will of the wisps while both are really good games
for me hollow knight is the best game out of the 3 while ori has some cool stuff the combat is far too easy and even platforming I felt like it never challenged me a lot while it was still satisfying
subjective of course but for me challenge matters quite a lot in terms of enjoying the game as long as it is fair but ori was still a really enjoyable run with good story and fun journey for the most part
I absolutely hated the worm in will of the wisps tho
was genuinely about to quit after like 40 minutes of attempts as something about it just was very frustrating to me
also hollow knight was a far more replayable to me
I actually prefer Ori's bosses. Partially because you can style on them and you have way more options to switch it up
You mean cheese them?
@@legrandliseurtri7495 No, you still have to deal with the HP and hazards. There's no cheese except maybe stacking damage boosters, but Hollow Knight has the same kinds of things.
@@MarkerMurker It is way easier to demolish half the hp of an Ori boss in a few seconds than it is to do the same for HK. If you don't fight Kwolok and Mora(Correct me if I'm spelling their names wrong, it's been a while)immediately after unlocking the second half of the game, they get destroyed really easily, while the first two bosses of the game get destroyed easily no matter what. The final boss manages to stay relevant no matter what your equipment is mainly because you can die instantly in the last phase.
But even if you do fight all the bosses at your weakest, I think that Kwolok is the only good boss in the game. I would have happily replaced all of the others with escape sequences.
@@MarkerMurker That's still technically a cheese though, In my opinion Nightmare King Grimm > All Ori Bosses. Shriek is like the only good boss in my opinion due to the setting.
nkg, pure vessel and absolute radiance are better than every single ori boss, ori's bosses are great but it just cant get better than the ones I listed
I get that you wanted to give a tie in both graphics and music but come on its not even close. I get that hollow night goes for a much different art style than ori. But god. Both Ori games are some of the most beautifull games on the market EVER. And for the music part well its close like you said. But when i played Ori ( both games ) I got goosebumps like all the times. I Didnt get the same feeling with HN. But dont get me wrong I just finished my firts playtrough of HK and the music is very good. So in my opinion, Hollow Knight excels in the better categories to make a good videogame ( combat - bosses - level design and overall content) and ori excels in the artistic point of view ( visuals, music, emotions oh and platforming like you said. Its a tie Imo
Where is the metroidvania that I am making man?????' Also we are in a vc with 6 people and everyone is muted
I started playing Ori today, and I already love it.
But the bosses, Jesus Christ do they have way too much health, I died to the first boss twice, and Howl only needs to be only cut down to half health.
The main combat, it's alright, and the best part of the magic is how the healing heals for 3 relatively quick whereas Hollow Knight's takes more time.
The Platforming is wonderful, but I got stuck on a part with a pink/purple breakable wall right before the third area in the game, I have no idea how to break it.
skill issue
I have played both games and they are the best games in the genre imo.
Hollow knight has a godly fighting system with the nail and spells, but falls short on exploration and progress. Because you don't get significantly stronger in the game, your progress is kinda tied to your charms more than to your abilities.
9,5/10 in combat
6,5/10 in exploration. Cool game and silksong will be 10/10.
Ori on the other hand, has by far the best open world platforming of any game period. It just rewards you for thinking like no other game. But it lacks a little bit combat wise.
5,5/10 in combat
9,5/10 in exploration
you do get stronger, you get more powerful versions of the main spells and you can upgrade your nail as well as your health
@@infinitypeaches3329 i mean come on. Charms are really 99% of progression in hollow knight. Try doing p5 charmless vs every other binding. No nail upgrade of spell upgrade comes close
@@MouhibBayounes progression doesn't really matter in HK anyway, the discovery, scenery and satisfying genocide of the already dead is amazing enough.
@@infinitypeaches3329 true but lack of good progression harms the replayability of the game
@@MouhibBayounes the game is very replayable, exploration is very fun even if you know where to go and testing your skills on bosses at a ''lower level'' without any of the shade spells is also fun. you just can't get bored walking through the beauty that is greenpath, listening to its beautiful music, or sitting on the first city of tears bench next to quirrel, looking through the windows to a vast city with eternal rainfall while also listening to one of the best pieces in the entire game(and did I mention the soul sanctum organ is an absolute masterpiece?)
You made sense until you suspected that Ori took the idea of having bosses from Hollow Knight. Almost all games have bosses. In what way does the bossfights in Ori resemble the ones in Hollow Knight? They are not balanced the same way. Most bosses in Ori are massive. Most bosses in HK is not. HK have many bosses, Ori does not. Moon studios set out to do a great platformer with the Blind forest. For the sequel they instead wanted to do a great metroidvania. They had the experience of the first game. They knew what was lacking and what was missing. They knew what the fanbase thought of the first game. They knew the fighting wasnt great in Blind forest. They knew they didn't have proper bosses. They looked at several other metroidvanias and borrowed or stole ideas from them. Including bosses wasn't something they took specifically from HK.
Never accused this game of taking something from hollow knight. I addressed rumors and disputed them. I never said I believed this.
@@WyvrnOnYT I said suspected not accused. Why even bother to say something if you don't believe it?
@@johanandersson8646 you could simply just address it, can you not?. Also I think Ori needs more bosses.
@@N_Tertainment7 Yeah sure but why if it's stupid?
@N_Tertainment7 Also, I agree on the bosses. The game would benefit hugely by adding more bosses. A definitive addition like they did for Blind forest. They "stole" the shard system and another thing the should steal or be inspired by is the Colosseum of fools. There's lots of variety in how you can fight but you never really need to learn to master it.
the ori storys make you actually feel bad for the characters in game, i think that point actually belongs to ori^ but thats my opinion
ALL metroidvanias come from Metroid, they should be called METROIDLIKE, altho I love castlevania with all my soul, Symphony of the night (my fav ps1 game) it´s deritative from Super Metroid, without Metroid it wouldn´t exist, simple as that.
Ori wins in visuals. Every single frame in Ori is a wallpaper.
The score can end however it ends, both games are really good the only difference is clear, Hollow Knight is a very entertaining game, but Ori is a work of art.
Both games are amazing masterpieces but I will always see hollow knight as one of/as the best metroidvania to date. I wonder how great crowsworn will be.