Behringer CRAVE vs Moog MOTHER-32: The definitive comparison

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  • čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
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    I was absolutely amazed at how close these were, considering I wasn't expecting them to be so similar. I never realised the Behringer CRAVE was basically a carbon copy of the Moog Mother32.
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    Intro 0:00
    Overview 1:15
    Main functions 3:25
    Oscillators 5:19
    LPF 12:00
    HPF 15:00
    Envelopes 18:37
    LFO 22:41
    Sequencer 25:06
    Ties and Gates 27:09
    Mutes (ghost triggers) 29:36
    Reverse pattern 30:24
    Assign CV 32:35
    Some Sounds 34:53
    Both Together 45:09
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Komentáře • 505

  • @RichardOlpin
    @RichardOlpin Před 4 lety +125

    In the update to 1.08 yesterday the Crave has got rid of the ghost triggering issue.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety +39

      Typical.. just after I upload this... :) pinned.

    • @TheErkkiNyrkki
      @TheErkkiNyrkki Před 4 lety +1

      Where did you find the update? I can't find it on Behringer site.

    • @klmberezina274
      @klmberezina274 Před 4 lety +1

      Thanx for the info!!! I ll try ASAP!
      ...It was my last request on this synth!

    • @TheErkkiNyrkki
      @TheErkkiNyrkki Před 4 lety

      @Bunty McCunty Thanks

    • @Jamick_Elektronika
      @Jamick_Elektronika Před 4 lety +1

      You have to be careful, after this update, when in Synth Tool 2.1 I sent one sequence to Crave, it deleted all of them inside; /

  • @MrBeen992
    @MrBeen992 Před 3 lety +257

    If I close my eyes while playing the video, both sound exactly the same. But if I open my eyes the Moog sounds better. Incredible !

    • @nym053
      @nym053 Před 3 lety +22

      I work in a Baker store and many customers eat with their eyes. For instance, if I placed a sign for a specific cake the wrong place by accident, some costumers would ask for what it says on the sign while pointing at the cake that the sign is placed in front of. But when I tell them that it's a different cake that contains something different than what the sign says, they don't hesitate and just says: "yesyes I want it anyways", like it doesn't matter what it contains, as long as it looks tasty. It's like with small children at the age 2-5. They judge by the color. If it's colorful they want it. Like when I worked in an icecream shop, no matter if it were boys or girls, they would almost always pick a pink colored icecream with rainbow springles.

    • @MrBeen992
      @MrBeen992 Před 3 lety +4

      @@nym053 That is not a good argument here because in that case the Behringer Crave would be the winner cause its more colourful. The Mother 32 is black and boring.

    • @nym053
      @nym053 Před 3 lety +14

      @@MrBeen992 that's not what I'm saying. Don't be so rigid ;) the point of my "argument" is just that some/many people eat with their eyes. I just came up with 2 different examples taken from my own personal life experience of how people could do so 😅

    • @MrBeen992
      @MrBeen992 Před 3 lety +1

      @@nym053 I dont know cause Ive had a different experience in bakeries. Usually what I look that tastes good, tastes good !

    • @nym053
      @nym053 Před 3 lety +3

      @@MrBeen992 that's cool. In my experience, just because something looks like it would taste good, doesn't actually mean that it tastes as good as it looks. Something could look less good and taste significantly better. But that's the cool thing about life. We're all different. If we were all the same, it would be god damn boring ;)

  • @MrBeen992
    @MrBeen992 Před 3 lety +47

    why people always criticize the clicky keyboard buttons on the Crave ? They are not for playing Chopin ! Theyre just to input notes !

    • @MSM5500
      @MSM5500 Před 2 lety +4

      "why people always criticize "
      Only few criticize then the rest just follow them like a sheep.

  • @johnkemp3592
    @johnkemp3592 Před 4 lety +12

    Great video, thank you. Currently have a Crave on order - It'll be my first new hardware synth in over 20 years!

  • @SNO-
    @SNO- Před 3 lety +16

    for certain... this was a rather epic side by side. electroconclastica aside i was amazed by the truly mirrored demonstration. i actually did close my eyes and was just dumbfounded. i love Moog and i appreciate Behringer so its really a treat to see a proper side by side.... thanks Starsky (thats a keeper)

  • @iqi616
    @iqi616 Před 4 lety +17

    Interesting comparison. Thanks for doing this.

  • @tablameister
    @tablameister Před 4 lety +4

    Thanks very much for this comparison. I had wondered what the Crave was a clone of and you answered that question.

  • @brownmoney27
    @brownmoney27 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for putting the actual juicy content from the start, good vid

  • @photicsonar
    @photicsonar Před 4 lety +4

    You already saved me a lot of money with your Videos, man! Thanks for this!

  • @KortKramer
    @KortKramer Před 4 lety +6

    Very informative - I really enjoyed this, thank you.

  • @floyd101954
    @floyd101954 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Your videos are always so thorough, objective and honest. I’m a retired recording engineer of 20+, years, Synthesizer owner and programmer since 1972 and a amateur drummer for a long time. With the support of my wife, about a year and half ago I started putting together a new Music Studio Production Room in our home to include a host of Synthesizers, both Modular as well as some new Synths recent to the market. Anyway I did initially start out with several Behringers, Model D, Pro-1, Neutron, K-2 and ARP 2600 Blue Marvin mainly because they replicated Synths I had owned or worked with. I also had looked at the Crave but not too closely. Now it was time to take another look at it. I didn’t realize just how close to the Moog Mother 32 it sounds and functions. Hey I’m a big fan of Moog (I own a Matriarch and Theremini) and understand why their products are priced the way they are. After watching your video I was sold. I just ordered mine today.

  • @christianthompson1473
    @christianthompson1473 Před 4 lety +45

    I love the yellow " danger! high voltage warnings" 😂

  • @saardean4481
    @saardean4481 Před 4 lety +3

    amazing and meticulous comparison. Thank you for that

  • @remowo_
    @remowo_ Před 3 lety +1

    In depth comparison so a rookie like me can really get a grasp of similarities and differences. Thank you sir

  • @danielcelion
    @danielcelion Před 3 lety +4

    This video made me buy a Crave some weeks ago and I love it. 🔥

  • @jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171

    My mother 32 has a filter that yields a sine wave that can track pitch even better than its normal VCO’s voices. THANKS FOR SHARING!!

    • @SNO-
      @SNO- Před 2 lety +1

      And that folks is Moogs forte… controlling that filter pitch to maintain a musical attribute was the preciseness Bob relished in. He truly was a master of sound precision… him and Alan of course… but Bob was all about precision. I read that in the book :) I think thats why the Voyager is so coveted as well… it was his last synth he worked on fully. I’ve heard so many artist talk up that particular synth for having a toolbox of choices as well. Its price is right up there too 😂

  • @justFUNdimples
    @justFUNdimples Před 4 lety

    This is the VS I've been waiting for. Thanks for doing this!

  • @Frozen_Smoke1972
    @Frozen_Smoke1972 Před 4 lety +33

    Great vid. I've been lusting after a M32 for the last couple of years but couldn't really justify the expense. The Crave is now on the shopping list.0

    • @BrantleyAllen
      @BrantleyAllen Před 2 lety +1

      Same. My Crave should be here next week!

  • @atomaalatonal
    @atomaalatonal Před 4 lety +11

    next level comparison like: screen shot the oscillators screens and blend layer over each other them to see the difference

  • @walkeracid
    @walkeracid Před 4 lety +37

    MIDI Thru on Crave, also act as a MIDI Out. I´m just playing some wonderfull sequences from Crave to my Model D :-)

    • @iqi616
      @iqi616 Před 4 lety +5

      walkeracid Thanks, that answers my biggest question. Having the Neutron I'd be buying the Crave primarily for the 32 step seq (as opposed to the 16 step seqs all my other gear has) so MIDI out is a big deal for my non-CV gear.

    • @kaitsu9608
      @kaitsu9608 Před 3 lety

      Yeah man, you could work around it with beatstep pro, as it acts as midi to cv module aswell.. perhaps regular beatstep even

    • @darrenringer9811
      @darrenringer9811 Před 3 lety

      @doksan The newest firmware adds a setting in setup mode (Page 8 option 2) to disable the auto start behavior of the M32 sequencer. That said, I've still had mine revert to the old behavior once or twice until I toggled the setting on and off again.

  • @bitbotrecords
    @bitbotrecords Před rokem

    Great video thanks, it helped me make my decision, it should arrive tomorrow 🎉

  • @nyelmyel8418
    @nyelmyel8418 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi what's the oscilloscope waveform viewer thingy your using to see the audio when doing comparisons between the two?. Looks really useful. Live your videos, nice to see British synth enthusiastic people. Love all your videos

  • @simaojoseph
    @simaojoseph Před 4 lety +12

    Moog finding it hard to swallow. I must add, I prefer the harder type of keys. If you can hear then, you’re just not loud enough.

  • @nodz007
    @nodz007 Před 3 lety +3

    I have a minitaur which I love, this video really helped me give the Behringer a shot and with the saved funds may purchase another one or 2 of these Behringer almost clones.

    • @paulmattle6683
      @paulmattle6683 Před 2 lety

      I have the Model D (mini Moog copy). I suggest getting one. It has 3 oscillators, which give you some Moog-like fatness. I bought an expander patchbay, that fits onto it perfectly, and gives you many more options for patching madness.

    • @comfortofmadness
      @comfortofmadness Před 10 měsíci

      @@paulmattle6683 what patchbay did you get ?

  • @chakko007
    @chakko007 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It's absolutely amazing what Behringer did with the Moog ladder filter. So close to the original.

  • @vprice509
    @vprice509 Před 3 lety +4

    Very cool! Until now I did not realize that I already HAVE a Mother-32.

  • @electrosonicnebula
    @electrosonicnebula Před rokem +5

    I think Behringer shines best when a synth is mostly their own creation, as in Neutron, although taking inspiration from the a classic in that case the oscillator section of the Minimoog. Also it was cool the Deepmind is inspired on the Junos and had all that power and sounds so awesome but then the interface is stupid with menu controls that should be hardware and vice-versa. But then I realize how fond I am of the Crave and VC340. Still think they should have enhanced + diverged a bit from the originals, giving them a couple of onboard effects. All these new analogs should have an analog delay and decent reverb onboard...

  • @funkmachine6420
    @funkmachine6420 Před 3 lety +20

    For the price the Crave would be great for anyone starting out and also a fun cheap extra sound source

  • @Gainn
    @Gainn Před 4 lety +19

    I think the Crave is a little more unruly.. Which is nice.
    I know I just slapped mine into an old Zoom 1201, fired up the RD-8 and had more fun than is probably legal.

  • @boriscat1999
    @boriscat1999 Před 2 lety +8

    what's weird about Crave's buttons is they are tactile buttons. Which to the best of my knowledge cost more in components and assembly than a silicon keypad. At least when doing the sort of volumes that Behringer. Tactile is usually considered a more premium choice. But I think they are too loud to use on drum machines, groove boxes, and modular synths.

  • @Rolf_D
    @Rolf_D Před 3 lety +1

    Great Demo, what program/app do you use to monitor the waves?

  • @magicdave93
    @magicdave93 Před 3 lety +6

    I have now got both and I must admit the crave’s controls are lade out better and also the firmware update is a breeze so quick where as the M32 can be a pain but I still love my M32, I really love this comparison as it must of taken ages to work out, thanks for sharing buddy!

    • @Methanol2000
      @Methanol2000 Před 2 lety

      For me the Behringer firmware update has never been anything but pain..just last month firmware update bricked my Monopoly.

    • @biggrime
      @biggrime Před rokem

      I got subharmonicon, dfam and matriarch. Debating crave or mother-32. What is your opinion?

    • @biggrime
      @biggrime Před rokem

      @@nebula393 thanks a lot

  • @jonkruth4157
    @jonkruth4157 Před rokem

    Cool Thanks for this work bro.. i decide for the crave ;)

  • @eldontyrellcorp
    @eldontyrellcorp Před 4 lety +5

    They sound surprisingly close !

  • @garethfox9272
    @garethfox9272 Před rokem

    Brilliant video! It's great to see someone taking an objective view and offering a direct, un-biased comparison of a cheap 'n nasty piece of gear head-to-head with a premium product.
    I can hear some differences when they're both pushed to extremes- the M32 wins in a pure 'synth tone' way when under severe LFO/filter load. For a muppet like me though, this was everything I needed to know about the Crave... Getting one sent out ASAP 😆

  • @TheNimasan
    @TheNimasan Před 3 lety

    starsky i can't connect the crave via kyb cv and gate to my key step pro ........ i don't get any signal at all. i mean you used the crave to control the mother via the patchpoints, too. do you have an idea why it doesnt work? it should work right?

  • @FluffyAnvil
    @FluffyAnvil Před 4 lety +2

    The crave may be one of the most fun synths especially at it's price point I ever bought. I just added one to my cart as it was relatively cheap and didn't expect much but IMHO it's one of the best purchases I made, even if I hated the synth part of it I could use the ladder filter with external audio but the synth is kick-ass.

  • @oracle-0018
    @oracle-0018 Před 4 lety +1

    Just bought one !

  • @atommachine
    @atommachine Před 4 lety +1

    Whats the cv output Volts per octave?

  • @Spherical_El
    @Spherical_El Před 4 lety +6

    Epic.
    Sounds exactly the same as the Mo...

  • @jayonbaby
    @jayonbaby Před 4 lety +1

    Great show!

  • @BrentODell
    @BrentODell Před rokem +4

    Holy crap, that's cool. I've played around with the Moog and thought it was really cool, but for the price difference, I could chain three Craves together and really go crazy.

    • @mw7851
      @mw7851 Před rokem

      Damn, I never even thought of that. That makes so much sense to combine multiple craves. I only wish it was in a eurorack compatible Format to stack them up efficiently.

  • @richardthayer5907
    @richardthayer5907 Před 3 lety

    LOVE THE CHANNEL!

  • @brandonspivey8020
    @brandonspivey8020 Před 2 lety

    \Good on you Starsky and good to hear your northern accent!!

  • @magmakum4628
    @magmakum4628 Před 4 lety +10

    My crave arrived a couple of days ago. Loving it. The only thing is that I wish it had the option of running on batteries, would've been my new traveling toy :)

    • @christianthompson1473
      @christianthompson1473 Před 4 lety

      Hmm, that might have added another 20 bucks to the price 🤔

    • @EverettVinzant
      @EverettVinzant Před 4 lety

      I got a Korg Monologue and a Behringer Crave. If the Crave had batteries.... You’re right. I’ve been playing the Korg a LOT more because it can go with me.

    • @fatgonzo
      @fatgonzo Před 4 lety +2

      Mine is coming today or tomorrow and I was thinking exactly the same since I spend couple of hours on a bus most days. But then I googled "12v power bank" and you can get ones that do 12v with a selection of plugs like in universal power supplies for around 20e. Here: tinyurl.com/ranlkwh
      That should run it just fine for a few hours..The cells are cheap, although the description isn't clear on whether that can actually charge them or not.

    • @valley_robot
      @valley_robot Před 4 lety +3

      You can get usb to jack converters for up to 12 volt , then you could use a USB power bank , that’s what I’m going to do

  • @MD_is_me
    @MD_is_me Před 3 lety +1

    A lot of folks don't appreciate how such seemingly subtle differences between digital and analog implementations are actually quite large when performing live: 20:52
    It's no small thing and it's enough for me to take it out of my cart.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety

      I agree... when gently tweaking and going for some subtle changes this makes a huge impact.

  • @GirlfightClub
    @GirlfightClub Před rokem

    Love the aggressive sound of the Crave tbh

  • @jedstephensmusic0001
    @jedstephensmusic0001 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi, love this video (and all your videos) will you be doing a similar video for the new Behringer Edge and the DFAM? it's another near direct copy from what I can tell, but the Edge has midi and USB so much more convenient to sync with a DAW (hopefully)

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety +1

      … if I can get my hands on one.. 😉

  • @maikvanrossum
    @maikvanrossum Před 11 dny +1

    Very nice comparison, as you’ve done with the Edge vs #DFAM, too 👌🏻 I was wondering why exactly #Behringer didn’t put a ladder filter into the Edge as they’ve done in the Crave…? 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @zpinkLondonBelow
    @zpinkLondonBelow Před 4 lety +1

    Cheers for another great video/revelation!
    But damn it, you may have forced me to get a Crave now... damn it! ;-)

  • @gilangakhirramadhan3900

    thank you very much!

  • @ciatangallaghe2485
    @ciatangallaghe2485 Před rokem +2

    It's up to Moog now to find. Way to reach the more affordable market..

  • @petercane6376
    @petercane6376 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Moog is Moog and of course is respected for quality.
    There are also Behringer Haters around and they make it known.
    I have some hearing loss due to age but I cannot actually hear any difference.
    So if the Crave is better laid out, sounds the same, more working space and a 5th of the price I would rather have the Crave.
    In fact I am going to the synth shop this morning for one.
    When Moog saw this video they must have been horror stricken with the Audacity of it.
    Thank you for having the Audacity!

  • @alphanumeric1529
    @alphanumeric1529 Před 4 lety +2

    Hey Hutch, recently picked up a Moog Grandmother. Absolutely love it. Our 4th analog synth , but our first Moog (well, except Animoog), and our first semi-modular. The GM has just been pure bonanza for inspiration. Love it, like next level. Question: How do you think the GM would play with the Crave? In Terms of patchability, as well as overall sound? Like do you think the GM and Crave could have a lot of meaningful cv interaction, producing new sounds and rhythms by sending cv back and forth? Think it would be better with M32? Thanks!

  • @electricmoon5402
    @electricmoon5402 Před rokem

    There's no pulse width in the Triangle wave on the 3340 VCO, correct? I don't hear a change in the waveform when switched to the right.

  • @BassBaseBerlin
    @BassBaseBerlin Před 2 lety

    Cool video! I'm an analog bass player and I'm just thinking to get some synth device for additional bass sounds. So there are some bass pedals - but I think it would be more "artificial" to take a real synth. And your video showed me nice stuff. So ... maybe I will get the "crave" just for having fun around christmas. Not sure, if it will get to a live gig - but I'm quite sure I will have fun with it. Thanks for the video, liked! Best regards, Stefan

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety +1

      Get it... have a play, and if you not get much use from it you'll never lose much if you sell it. I always think of things like this as losing some cash if I sell them on, but I've had the fun from them for a few hours, which was worth the money. Thanks for watching :)

  • @user-wo4xt7jx1r
    @user-wo4xt7jx1r Před 4 lety +2

    Excellent comparison! You sold me the Crave! ))
    Please tell - whether the sound settings can be controlled via usb on Crave from my DAW ? And whether an external sequencer(DAW) can be connected via usb? Thank you for your answer.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety

      The only thing that can be controlled via MIDI USB from a Daw is note on/off. Everything else is CV only, you can’t control the other parameters with MIDI.

    • @floherz
      @floherz Před 3 lety +2

      @@StarskyCarr probably that wasn’t there when you made the video, but now you can actually assign mod or pitch wheel midi CC to the assign out!

  • @NSW-ye3xw
    @NSW-ye3xw Před 3 lety +15

    I’m not a Behringer fan at all. Listening to this comparison, I think the question here is: is the subtle differences worth the £500 price difference? I think not. I would go for the Crave.

    • @Cristian-DanielCalinescu
      @Cristian-DanielCalinescu Před měsícem

      The Behringer sounds better. So you're asking if paying £500 more for a downgrade is worth it?

  • @djkurtstudio
    @djkurtstudio Před 3 lety +2

    I now look at Behringer as one of the most innovative companies out there and get excited when I see new products like these coming out. Years ago I used to think of them as studio junk. Obviously not run by the same team and engineers as it was many years ago! The company has taken a complete U-turn! I now think they're one of the best! Keep em coming guys!

  • @omarbonifacino3381
    @omarbonifacino3381 Před 11 měsíci

    Wow friend. Behringher Is a super sound wonderful sound

  • @eldontyrellcorp
    @eldontyrellcorp Před 4 lety +14

    I didn't know the crave was a clone in disguise... Interesting! I have a crave and always wanted to have a mother 32. I won't buy one then :)

  • @JDSoundsets
    @JDSoundsets Před 3 lety

    Great Video Starsky, I may get the Crave for the Money seems a no brainer (Just aswell I don't have..brain ).

  • @DBCisco
    @DBCisco Před 4 lety

    Thanks !!

  •  Před 4 lety

    Good Job!!

  • @doverbeachxyz
    @doverbeachxyz Před 3 lety +10

    I did a blind test. They are almost identical, but I always recognize the mother 32 and the crave. Crave is more "aggressive" in the low end but loses character in the higher range. There are also some subtle nuances (i.e. when pwm or changing the lfo rate) impossible to hear with the crave because it tends to distorce. Nuances that are instead audible with the M32.
    I'm not an expert (just passionate about modular) and my language is not appropriate, but that's what I hear.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety +6

      Same here... subtle differences but they are there. when you spend hours designing sounds and tweaking stuff the differences become clear. Most people will never do this and never care, but if you do.. it makes a difference. Behringer know this and it works great for them... and for their customers (including me) but sometimes the more subtle things are needed.

  • @6stringks
    @6stringks Před 3 lety +7

    No Crave without Bob.
    Have a Crave myself but will get some Bob stuff too when my funds allow.
    Moog is analogue fatness ;-)
    Thanks for your work!

  • @Quark.Lepton
    @Quark.Lepton Před 2 lety +1

    Enjoyed that-well done. If I had the money, I’d go with the Moog and maintain my black & silver motif rather than end up with Behringer’s lolly jar.

    • @andewprod
      @andewprod Před rokem +1

      yeah thats true, the orange panel and the funny "CRAVE" logo looks rather like a something would get for free with a magazine. But once you hear the sound all this doesnt matter anymore :D

  • @neon_one
    @neon_one Před 3 lety

    Hey can you please tell me what oscilloscope software that is on the right? assuming it's a vst

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 3 lety +1

      its the Meldaproductions oscilloscope - part of their free bundle

  • @mus0rmus1c3
    @mus0rmus1c3 Před 2 lety +1

    Seems I need a Crave. I'd like the M32 for the Euro compatibility, but it's not worth paying double or more IMO

  • @marsmediapro
    @marsmediapro Před 3 lety

    I have been enjoying your videos ever since I got my 1st Behringer synth. One of my friends is considering either getting a Neutron or a Crave- might you do a video comparing those two? It's likely similar to comparing melons to apples, but hey, you are my fave synth master- will you conduct a Crave VS Neutron video? Thanks.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel. I've not got a Neutron, but may get hold of one - it didn't appeal to me as I think I've got it covered in other synths. I buy these myself so tend to only get things that might be a good addition.

    • @marsmediapro
      @marsmediapro Před 3 lety +1

      @@StarskyCarr Fascinating- Thanks for your candid reply, and I concur.

  • @bruceqi8709
    @bruceqi8709 Před 4 lety +7

    Can you link 2 craves together and do the random self generating patches/sequences a lot of people were doing on 2 mother 32 ? I always wanted to have a go at that but couldnt afford a grand for 2 moogs.

    • @klmberezina274
      @klmberezina274 Před 4 lety +2

      I ve seen a crave using a Mother32 self generating patch on YT... it worked.
      So why not with 2 ? ;)

    • @Ar7an1s
      @Ar7an1s Před 4 lety +1

      You can but I think all the cables will be on your way a bit annoying to me. In that matter the moog one has the advantage to be stacked up with another unit :)

    • @Ar7an1s
      @Ar7an1s Před 4 lety +1

      Unless you put them next to each other ofcourse

  • @powermix24
    @powermix24 Před 4 lety +31

    I bought a Model D and a crave for $420, there is no justifying a Moog Mother 32 IMHO. Great comparison.

    • @scalebrain643
      @scalebrain643 Před 4 lety +4

      Darkice Presents Arguably repair/service would be one reason. Parts supply chains via Behringer are a nightmare vs getting a part direct via Moog/it’s suppliers in my experience. You pay more, but it’s for the piece of mind you will be taken care of when something goes wrong - nobody talks about it cause repairs suck, but it’s the reality with larger companies vs boutique/smaller companies.
      That said, I think the new Behringer units sound great while they work - but I’ve sent more back for repair/parts in the short time I’ve seen them on the market vs the Mother range of products.

    • @powermix24
      @powermix24 Před 4 lety +6

      @@scalebrain643 There are lemons in all things we buy,i'll take my chance with them. Moog is a classic American built and well made no doubt, but i can't afford a minimoog for 3500 used that's 37 years old. Certain things are worth the hassle.

    • @AshBashVids
      @AshBashVids Před 4 lety +2

      @@scalebrain643 The Crave just came out. Behringer's synths are also fairly well built too. Have little very little complaints or mentions of faults.

    • @Breakbeat90s
      @Breakbeat90s Před 4 lety

      @@scalebrain643 they shouldnt break that easily tho so it's definetly worth spending less than half the price on a crave

    • @scalebrain643
      @scalebrain643 Před 4 lety +1

      @@powermix24 Sure there are lemons in all gear from all companies - it is how those lemons are sorted afterward. I agree, the clones sound great and are an excellent/only alternative to the real thing (Odyssey sounds awesome) - just hope you have better luck with repair parts than I've had on a regular basis. I'm glad these synths have come out, but I also fix music electronics for a living and figured I would say my piece in this regard. There are several reasons the modern Moogs are so expensive and same goes for why the Behringers are so inexpensive - repairability/customer service being a large one IMO.

  • @SynthgodXXX
    @SynthgodXXX Před 4 lety +6

    Thank you for this video! You ROCK! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  • @sutusmihaly
    @sutusmihaly Před 3 dny

    ..to be fair, if behri nger cloned the moog mother-32, the design and sound of the crave is more my liking..even the orange colour fits to the palette of colours of the edge and possibly from the spice..cant wait to complete the trinity..I like behringer synths 🍀 🍄 🌻 ❤ great video by the way 🙂

  • @nebula0697
    @nebula0697 Před 3 lety +2

    The sound comparison is astounding. I prefer the Moog's interface but wow. As I keep saying in the Behringer clone-to-original comparisons, I hope most of the price difference is not attributable to factory workers' working conditions.

    • @Sycokay
      @Sycokay Před 3 lety +1

      Since the PCBs of Moog are also made in China there is no difference. With a Moog you support the US citizens that assemble the units I suppose. And pay for a name.

    • @fluim0102
      @fluim0102 Před 2 lety

      @@Sycokay If the Behringer costs like 40 bucks and the Moog maybe 70 or 80, then you could already arrive at such a huge difference in retail price... Also Moog probably keeps their prices intendendly higher to fit a higher end brand.. Fun fact Gibson guitars were a lot cheaper in the 80's or 90's and it ended up hurting sales, since people thought they would also be less good... so they quickly raised prices again ;)

    • @VestedUTuber
      @VestedUTuber Před rokem

      The different in price is partially due to Behringer not doing any significant R&D since their clones are directly reverse-engineered from the originals, partially due to lower wages and thus lower manufacturing costs in China, and partially due to the fact that Moog synths are fully hand-built with the exception of the individual electronic components and PCBs which have to be outsourced.

    • @brmbkl
      @brmbkl Před rokem

      @@VestedUTuber translation for the apologists: moog pays people to carefully conceive synth designs, pays their workers living wages in a democracy, and the synths are assembled by people, not robots, thereby providing additional employment in said democracy.

    • @brmbkl
      @brmbkl Před rokem

      @@fluim0102 moog is not Gibson.

  • @jenniferw8963
    @jenniferw8963 Před rokem

    Perhaps when doing the OSC comparison, it would of been better to use the direct output of OSC SAW and OSC SQR? Perhaps the difference between the two waves , one being smoother than the other, is the differences in the filters?

  • @cooloutcoexist
    @cooloutcoexist Před 2 lety

    Great comparison, thanks. Will you do the same thing for the DFAM and the Edge? :-)

  • @GB3770
    @GB3770 Před 4 lety +6

    they sound identical to me - at least the initial bit at 35 mins - i rly doubt anyone could tell the difference if blindfolded - id be well impressed if anyone could tell them apart - maybe there is some way to do so...
    Once in a track i rly think it might be impossible to do but you never know...maybe someone has magic ears out there...

  • @s3nsec0rruptr80
    @s3nsec0rruptr80 Před 3 lety

    So, after testing this and the behringer model d, which would you say is best for someone short on cash and space who wants that classic, fat, buttery moog sound?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 3 lety

      Without a doubt the Model D.

    • @s3nsec0rruptr80
      @s3nsec0rruptr80 Před 3 lety

      @@StarskyCarr thanks! If only I had room for the poly d, but model d it is!

  • @klmberezina274
    @klmberezina274 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanx, again...
    Nice work, and for me honest and unbiaised...

  • @dans.8198
    @dans.8198 Před 4 lety

    Great comparison. At 27:14 it is clear the devices are very out of tune from each other. But in other parts of the comparison, they seem in tune. What happened ?

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety +1

      Ha no idea. I’ll have been mucking about with them while making the sequence. I’ll have played around with everything to create the sequence I demo later, which uses a fair bit of modulation. Then come back to the start and demo what I’ve just been doing. I do this to make sure I’m going somewhere useful and not just making noises. But when doing these vids you’re concentrating on so much going on plus distractions... levels, timing, camera batteries, microphone getting in the way, telephones ringing etc etc it’s easy to miss the obvious!

  • @johnhorrobin8560
    @johnhorrobin8560 Před 4 lety

    Can the Crave be played from Midi Input from a more sophisticated sequencer without starting the seq as with the m32 instead of using the orrable clicky buttons
    Thanks
    John Horobin

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety

      you can play it via midi or cv with whatever you like. I think it records the MIDI input into the sequencer if you want (sure I've done this but would have to check!)

    • @johnhorrobin8560
      @johnhorrobin8560 Před 4 lety

      @@StarskyCarr
      thanks for the reply plse check and get back to me - thanks
      J Horobin

  • @WingHouseCup
    @WingHouseCup Před 2 lety +3

    Never considered how similar these two are. Wow.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety

      It came as a surprise to me. I had no idea until I stated to record this.

  • @leftmono1016
    @leftmono1016 Před 4 lety +8

    I could never mentally justify the price of the Moog with just the one oscillator. So I got Pittsburgh Modular SV1, no sequencer but two oscillators and a really useful midi to cv section.
    Until now I didn't realise the Crave was a Mother 32 clone! The buttons on the Crave look like those you get on Korg's latest keyboards, which I quite like, very positive and lighty uppy.
    Those ghost notes are strange, but they have that 303 style happy accident vibe. I like 'em!

    • @CommunityGuidelines
      @CommunityGuidelines Před 4 lety +2

      I did the same thing---- I was looking at the Mother-32 for a long time, and finally settled on a Lifeforms SV-1. Very happy with my choice, the SV-1 is an awesome synth, great filter and lots of sound design complexity.

    • @dkd0m23
      @dkd0m23 Před 4 lety

      The Buttons on the Korg Keyboards (Monologue for example) feel alot softer when you press them than the Behringer Buttons.

    • @leftmono1016
      @leftmono1016 Před 4 lety +1

      Orlando Pergamo - I'm not sure with the Crave but if you use the SV-1 as an example it can output 5 waveforms simultaneously, but this is still only the output of one single oscillator. You need two separate oscillators to allow for example playing 3rds or 7ths or that nice detuned thicker sound. Apologies if you already knew this, just wanted to make the distinction between multiple waveforms and multiple oscillators.

    • @leftmono1016
      @leftmono1016 Před 4 lety

      Orlando Pergamo - fair comment, SH101 is the king of bass!

  • @davidgoode7416
    @davidgoode7416 Před 2 lety

    Awesome!

  • @leetronix
    @leetronix Před 4 lety +2

    Buttons BUTTONS haha trying playing on an Elektron Click Click Clack Clack hehe...nice video by the way :)

  • @alexsmart5452
    @alexsmart5452 Před 7 měsíci

    15:06 What does he mean by "Notch"?..its almost like a notch.
    Ive heard him say that in other videos and reviews and have never understood the meaning(even after looking it up)

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 měsíci +1

      A notch is an indentation on a surface which is where the name comes from. The best way to envisage what a notch filter does is to imagine a straight line with a V shaped dip in the middle (the notch). The tip of the V is the cutoff frequency. As you sweep the cutoff you are reducing the frequencies in the mid range - as opposed to a high pass reducing the lows or a low pass reducing the highs.

    • @alexsmart5452
      @alexsmart5452 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@StarskyCarr So when you say "its like a notch" you are saying that it sounds like frequency is being cutoff at the midrange(since there is no actual filter) at some point in the sound being played(or note). That doesnt sound like a good thing..or am I not understanding that a loss of frequency real or perceived is a "good thing"(Where have you gone)?
      or I could just shut up and listen. lol. Im new and learning(kind of).

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 7 měsíci +1

      A notch filter is a thing - big with SEM oberheims and the like. It is a good thing 😀 I can’t remember why I said it in this - cutting the mid range can be great you get the beefy lows and the bright highs without the mud dunes of the mids.

  • @AlexFainDj
    @AlexFainDj Před 4 lety +2

    Incredible! I love my Crave.

  • @SpeccyMan
    @SpeccyMan Před 2 měsíci

    "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

  • @rorschach1
    @rorschach1 Před 2 lety

    The crave really sounds like a sequential filter!

  • @martywhiskersdoggity9392

    I sent my Crave to a furniture shop and they cleared off the lacquer on the wood panels for $300...... well worth it!

  • @Larry30102
    @Larry30102 Před 3 lety +1

    Not being able to rack Crave would be a deal breaker. Uncanny how similar they sound. I have a M32 and it kick but over any Moog software emulation imo.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 3 lety +1

      There’s someone on eBay U.K. that sells them for £20 a pair.

  • @commentingpausedtoprotectus

    I'd love to have one of these but I've played guitar all my life and I've absolutely no idea what to do to turn it from bleepy Mc bleep-bleeps and that white noise into music!
    Looks like a tonne of fun though!

    • @andewprod
      @andewprod Před rokem

      The crave is a very simple synth and you can have loads of fun using it without any patch cables. All you need is some patience and a few youtube tutorials. The good thing is that once you understand the crave you will easily understand any other analog synth
      It took me more than a year with the crave to discover its true potential.. at least for my use and taste. The crave is really good at leads and arpeggios and other "organic" melody sounds.

  • @CraftyOldGit
    @CraftyOldGit Před 2 lety

    I can't afford a Mother-32. I can stretch to a Crave, so it's an easy choice for me. Crave is less than a quarter of the price of an M32 at the moment. Thanks for helping me decide.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety +1

      I honestly never realised they were so similar until I started recording this :)

    • @CraftyOldGit
      @CraftyOldGit Před 2 lety

      @@StarskyCarr Although at the moment I'm bidding on a Behringer Model D which is a knock off of a Mini Moog at a fraction of the price. By the end of this year I intend to own both.

  • @drfluffy3983
    @drfluffy3983 Před 2 lety +1

    Cool comparison, i am not really interested in the Grave and also the mother 32 is not really on my wanted list atm. Subharmonicon looks much more interessting for me. But i would love to see a video like this about the comparison of the Behringer Edge that should come out soon and the Moog Dfam, i own the DFAM but would not mind to have a second one and a "travel DFAM" with midi. I only fear they go again with the 3340 Oscillator and even when that is for sure not a bad one, it will become hard to deliever the same power over the same frequency range as the dfam does.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 2 lety +2

      I’ll be doing my best to get hold of an edge

    • @drfluffy3983
      @drfluffy3983 Před 2 lety

      @@StarskyCarr nice, would be really interesting how close it becomes. When they released the Boog Model D i made a extra visit at the Thomann music store to test it next to a Minimoog and could was really impressed that it was near impossibel to say only by audio what is what, but there they had the original osc cloned working inside. But since the Neutron they are in love with the 3340 Osc, what is how is said an amazing osc, but not to mimic a Moog

  • @iantanner7579
    @iantanner7579 Před 4 lety +1

    Always felt the mmog oscillators were more fuller and loose, and the 3340 tighter but thinner, - but the way they're implemented here, there seems very little in it... another great comparison and demo

  • @gnarlysoundscapes7210
    @gnarlysoundscapes7210 Před 4 lety

    I never noticed how similar the Crave is to the Mother 32.

  • @marcmistermarc
    @marcmistermarc Před 4 lety

    I really like the transposable sequencer in the Crave. Not sure if the Moog can do it.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Před 4 lety

      A very timely comment.... I’ve just released on of my Virtual Moogfest videos showing the M32 with the MoogerFooger delay. In it I play a sequence and transpose it live while tweaking the M32 and delay
      czcams.com/video/SBEnlA6Kh7E/video.html

  • @stuartfirm89
    @stuartfirm89 Před 2 lety

    Bought this after watching video, got the d series the pro one and the crave now

  • @iamtrevorlang
    @iamtrevorlang Před rokem

    God bless Behringer 🙏🙏 amazing what they are doing, any business ethics aside…