When mimicking natural bait I agree with your drift approach. When fishing with a spinning lure, flash and vibration is key to success. Most streams I fish are swift and the pulled required to get lure action with the current seems counter productive. Going against I can significantly increases the action, and achieve a slower pull. For me, this continues to be very effective. Fishing, like life, is full of compromises and choices. Thanks for sharing yours so others can benefit.
I do it the other way around, I cast upstream and bring the lure with the current. It lets me get the lure down deeper and not skip on the surface. I also like to always be moving upstream so I don't spook the fish. It has worked for 50 years.
Rod/reel combo with fishing kit as an emergency setup czcams.com/users/postUgkxntWMOZsO1Zfv-pdn_XuffEtNkTYAYu4Z recommend but started to use this every day. The rod is thick and seems durable. I keep it neatly tucked into a regular backpack all the time with my fishing gear, and can grab it anytime, put it on my back and go anywhere. I just read in another review that the rod length below the reel is adjustable as well, so I will try that too for even more portability. Probably the best setup I've ever owned. I lost the cap for the eyelets, but no big deal since I still have the black cloth sheath that came for the pole and I use that. Very portable and high quality.
I am getting ready to head to Montana for a much needed vacation and some fishing with my Father-In-Law. I have never really been much of an angler but am hoping to change that. Of all the beginner videos I have watched, this is by far one of the most informative. Thanks for not just showing the fishing or just telling how. By telling how while doing it, I get a much better sense of what I will need to be doing. My Father-in-Law is very experienced and I'm sure I will have a great time. thanks for all the help! Wish me luck!
This guy got a 2lb tackle box wrapped around his neck and he's catching everything mean while I'm walking in with a 10-pound suitcase of tackle and Catching Jack shit. LMAO
I agree. I did not realize the wireless mic for my camera only fed one channel. I have since purchased a cheap splitter plug to push to both left and right. Hope you were able to enjoy in spite of my tech flaw. Rick
I've always found that casting from the downstream side, upstream is more effective because trout are always facing upstream to fight the current and therefore see your lure coming at them as opposed to it coming from behind them.
Thank you very much Patrick, you never cast downstream and reel upstream. Trout sit behind rocks and wait for their dinner to come "downstream" to them and then dart out to take it, they do not typically run "upstream" to catch their dinner. Sorry, but this guys instructions are not correct.
Yes, you guys should tell that to the several nice trout he just caught. Apparently they didn't get the memo, every one of them was caught on an upstream retrieve.
Nice, clean narrative. Very concise and informative. The underwater shots were extremely nice for me, as well. I didn't have to imagine what the spinner was doing, and now I can associate that movement with the feel through the rod. Overall, a really pleasant lesson.
I like the vid! It made me feel calm and serene. Something to note however. The gills of a fish are only designed to absorb oxygen with water flowing from mouth to tail so moving a fish backwards is detrimental to the fish. Also, moving a fish forward in the water can force water into the stomach of the fish. It is best to find a spot out of the wind and current and let the fish recover while you hold it upright. The fish will swim away when it is ready. These are things that I did not know in the past as well. There is a lot of incorrect information out there in the world of fishing and we just assume that what we were told by other people is true. With that in mind please share proper fish handling procedures with those you fish with. Protect our resources . . . one person at a time.
Nice video. Liket the tip about bending the barbs down. Been doing that for decades now. All my hooks are "barbless". Easy to keep a fish on, just keep your line tight!
That happened to me last night. I was at a tiger muskie seminar and they wasted two and half hours to tell me, 60 degree water temperature and follow the bait fish. UGH.
same here. I can't wait till spring. i was also a fly fishermen too. and just like you i enjoy spinner fishing more. i grew up as a spin fish men. see you on the stream.
mobiltec Right! Spinner fishing is excellent for covering water, as they have a large attraction radius, especially in warmer months when fish are more active. I try to work my way upstream, coming up behind fish so as not to spook them.
Mate well done. It is great to see folk like you having a go and sharing with the rest of us...unlike the assholes who simply offer negative and somewhat irreleevant commment. (i gave them some spot the bad spellung to keep them amused).
I have caught while trout fishing backwards (as shown in this video). But you will catch a lot more if you cast upstream and retrieve the lure with the current just fast enough to spin the blades.
I've been fishing all my life,I'm 46 and I usually use a Panther Martin #1 spinner with a bee looking fly..I have caught more trout with this spinning lure then any other spinner.It's really good when June arrive's but it's still my #1 spinning lure as well as everyone I showed..give er a try and you'll see what I'm talking about..And may you next fish be a trophy! Good Luck!
Approach the stream heading up stream Stay very low and quiet. Try to cast the lure into water that is rough or disturbed and then retrieve it past large rocks. This way the fish will not be spooked by your presence or the lure landing in the water. Wild trout are very wary.
bozokarl Right! My favorite trout spinner is a Panther Martin with a gold blade, black body with yellow spots. For summer steelhead, the 3/8 oz size is fantastic when ran through ruffles casting upstream. Most bites occur upstream down to even with you, rarely downstream as the spinner is effected by the current catching the line, bringing up and away from the strike zone.
Never revive a fish by pushing it back and forth, just point it upstream and let them water flow over the gills. Also cast upstream for a more natural presentation
I thought the EXACT same thing. Moving it back and forth forces to much water through the gill will damage the buccal cavity and tears the gill filaments. It also doesn't allow the fish time to constrict the muscle around the operculer cavity and this tears the filaments that run along the inside. You're literally killing the fish by doing this. This is the worst thing to do to a fish to revive them. They have a build in mechanism to trigger gill spasms so just hold the fish in the water (gently) and it will do the rest. For an outdoor expert, this was a pretty weak video presentation.
Great video, interesting you retrieve upstream, trout here in New Zealand will run a mile from a lure retrieved 'against' the current whereas retrieved 'towards' the fish from an upstream position will induce a strike as in my clips. There is however no hard and fast rules in this game! Some nice camera work, well done.
Great video. I sure wish someone would do a video on how not to hook your lures on the rocks. We are beginners to trout fishing with spinning reels and went to a well known stream in upstate NY and I lost so many lures getting hung on the rocks. So frustrating :(
Pretty sure it's just based on preference. But a disadvantage I can see casting with the current is the lure isn't in the water long enough which may mean the fish don't have time to get it.
Great video, one concern is that when you handle any fish moving the fish back and forth is forcing water back in through the gills and doesn't let the fish properly breath.
Awesome river and interesting photography. However, I would argue against casting and going downstream, especially when using spinners. Doing the opposite is arguably more effective (with rare exceptions), because of three reasons: 1) fish are less likely to see you coz they're usually facing upstream, 2) you can manoeuver the spinner more easily around rocks, logs, etc., 3) you can control the depth of retrieval and avoid the spinner rising to the top. There's also a fourth reason: if you're wading, the silt you raise from the bottom will not affect the fishing. But this is a rocky river, so that is probably not an issue. Of course, if that's your first or, I don't know, fifth trip to the stream and you do not plan to do it often, then maybe doing as this guy says is better, because casting upstream requires more practice to be effective.
Have never had a stringer; if I needed one I cut a forked twig. Prefer a small canvas bag which I can wet down for evaporative cooling or roll up and sink fish with a stone for later use. Though once a crow watched me and then waded in and robbed me in two feet of water!
I replace trebles with a single hackle hook and crimp down the barb. I like using an ultralight spincast reel with a short one-hand grip solid glass rod. I release all my catch because the trout grow bigger.
Parts were shot fishing on the Stanislaus river in Calaveras County, but most was shot on a week long backpacking trip with my son through the Emigrant Wilderness.
I am usually backpacking, so I do not typically carry a basket for fish, if that is what you mean. Perhaps others find it worth the effort. Thanks for watching
Switch to a single hook with flattened barb for catch and release fishing. Been twenty years since I fished California waters, but most states require it for catch and release fishing. Otherwise, Ok vid. Good info for small stream spinner fishing.
i too use to only fly fish..but as i fish more and more i just simply love to spinner fish. to me there is no skill difference once you learn how to cast a fly rod effectively. when i spin fish i take the same approach as when i fly fish. spinner fishing i also cover more water and i can put more casts out quicker. also i can change the depth of my spinner by just stop reeling which is nice when fishing a deep hole. i love tying flies and fly fishing but spinner fishing is more fun to me.
nice, but moving against stream would be better, because fish is tanding with head on stream, in this case you come from behind and fish dont see you. i`m jealous of river you have in USA. in Latvia rivers are slower and with less rocks, but still with great spots.
There's enough bad info on his video that the o.p. should consider taking it down. Back and forth will damage gills. Cast upstream so the fish don't see you. Bring a net.
IMO, use barbless hooks and DON'T HANDLE the trout at all. I use a small needle nose, just slip the hook. No need to "grab" the fish and handle it, gently or otherwise.
Casting up stream is better for fly fishing or when casting bait (worm, powerbait, etc) But when using lures its better to cast downstream and reel upstream because then you can use the current to help.
I've caught fish both ways. It is a matter of what the angler finds to be the effective method to catch fish. I usually cast up stream because that allows me to fish the opposite bank, the middle of the river, and the same side of the bank in one cast. Casting down stream restricts the amount of water fished per cast. That is the difference.
What fishing rod and reel setup are you using for trout? because I'm 13 years old and love to fishing and be out in the wilderness. Please respond to me Please and Thankyou. Sincerely Matt
This is a pretty good tutorial but couldn't you have went over what colors to use and what type of spinner to use. rooster tail, mepps, panther Martin etc
jerking the fish back and forth in the water (to get water in its gills) is actually bad for the fish, you want to push him forward, pull him out of the water, then repeat.
When mimicking natural bait I agree with your drift approach. When fishing with a spinning lure, flash and vibration is key to success. Most streams I fish are swift and the pulled required to get lure action with the current seems counter productive. Going against I can significantly increases the action, and achieve a slower pull. For me, this continues to be very effective. Fishing, like life, is full of compromises and choices. Thanks for sharing yours so others can benefit.
I do it the other way around, I cast upstream and bring the lure with the current. It lets me get the lure down deeper and not skip on the surface. I also like to always be moving upstream so I don't spook the fish. It has worked for 50 years.
Couldn’t agree more. Trout stage facing up stream to feed.
Rod/reel combo with fishing kit as an emergency setup czcams.com/users/postUgkxntWMOZsO1Zfv-pdn_XuffEtNkTYAYu4Z recommend but started to use this every day. The rod is thick and seems durable. I keep it neatly tucked into a regular backpack all the time with my fishing gear, and can grab it anytime, put it on my back and go anywhere. I just read in another review that the rod length below the reel is adjustable as well, so I will try that too for even more portability. Probably the best setup I've ever owned. I lost the cap for the eyelets, but no big deal since I still have the black cloth sheath that came for the pole and I use that. Very portable and high quality.
my left ear enjoyed this
ok so it wasn't just me.
AngrySloth ha! so true
It took me a few seconds.....LOL!
I am getting ready to head to Montana for a much needed vacation and some fishing with my Father-In-Law. I have never really been much of an angler but am hoping to change that. Of all the beginner videos I have watched, this is by far one of the most informative. Thanks for not just showing the fishing or just telling how. By telling how while doing it, I get a much better sense of what I will need to be doing. My Father-in-Law is very experienced and I'm sure I will have a great time. thanks for all the help! Wish me luck!
This guy got a 2lb tackle box wrapped around his neck and he's catching everything mean while I'm walking in with a 10-pound suitcase of tackle and Catching Jack shit. LMAO
Awesome, great stuff! I would love to go trout fishing in America one day!!
I agree. I did not realize the wireless mic for my camera only fed one channel. I have since purchased a cheap splitter plug to push to both left and right. Hope you were able to enjoy in spite of my tech flaw. Rick
This is such a amazing video welldone! I fish in my river for wild browns and its such a brilliant sport on light tackle:)
I've always found that casting from the downstream side, upstream is more effective because trout are always facing upstream to fight the current and therefore see your lure coming at them as opposed to it coming from behind them.
Thank you very much Patrick, you never cast downstream and reel upstream.
Trout sit behind rocks and wait for their dinner to come "downstream" to them and then dart out to take it, they do not typically run "upstream" to catch their dinner.
Sorry, but this guys instructions are not correct.
+Frank Blair Yea definitely not.
Patrick Hlavinka was k
Yes, you guys should tell that to the several nice trout he just caught. Apparently they didn't get the memo, every one of them was caught on an upstream retrieve.
I cast in all directions. If the fish are hungry, they'll hit. OSH :-)
Nice, clean narrative. Very concise and informative. The underwater shots were extremely nice for me, as well. I didn't have to imagine what the spinner was doing, and now I can associate that movement with the feel through the rod. Overall, a really pleasant lesson.
Mepps really are the best spinning lures! That's true!
Wow! Good job on explaining the barbless fishing!!!!
I like the vid! It made me feel calm and serene. Something to note however. The gills of a fish are only designed to absorb oxygen with water flowing from mouth to tail so moving a fish backwards is detrimental to the fish. Also, moving a fish forward in the water can force water into the stomach of the fish. It is best to find a spot out of the wind and current and let the fish recover while you hold it upright. The fish will swim away when it is ready. These are things that I did not know in the past as well. There is a lot of incorrect information out there in the world of fishing and we just assume that what we were told by other people is true. With that in mind please share proper fish handling procedures with those you fish with. Protect our resources . . . one person at a time.
Loved this video!!!!!!!!!
Nice video. Liket the tip about bending the barbs down. Been doing that for decades now. All my hooks are "barbless". Easy to keep a fish on, just keep your line tight!
Very well done! Exactly how I fish trout!
Love the underwater shots!
Wow, that water is clear!
Not quite like what we have here :) Nice video, and great underwater shots. Thanks for posting.
I always retrieve with the current, not against it.
Thanks for the info. Glad i didnt have to watch a 1 hour video for 4 minutes of info. great video.
That happened to me last night. I was at a tiger muskie seminar and they wasted two and half hours to tell me, 60 degree water temperature and follow the bait fish. UGH.
Except for the back and forth, god damn this video was a good quick tutorial
same here. I can't wait till spring. i was also a fly fishermen too. and just like you i enjoy spinner fishing more. i grew up as a spin fish men. see you on the stream.
Great video, I like the quality of video and good content. I am a trout fisherman with California and frequent Mammoth lakes often.
I always cast up stream first. I cast down stream just before I leave that spot and move on. I never spend more than a few minutes in one place.
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mobiltec Right! Spinner fishing is excellent for covering water, as they have a large attraction radius, especially in warmer months when fish are more active. I try to work my way upstream, coming up behind fish so as not to spook them.
00 Mepps , in small streams / creeks will out fish a panther marten all day !
Mate well done. It is great to see folk like you having a go and sharing with the rest of us...unlike the assholes who simply offer negative and somewhat irreleevant commment. (i gave them some spot the bad spellung to keep them amused).
Panther Martins and Rooster Tails
Very helpful - thanks
I have caught while trout fishing backwards (as shown in this video). But you will catch a lot more if you cast upstream and retrieve the lure with the current just fast enough to spin the blades.
I've been fishing all my life,I'm 46 and I usually use a Panther Martin #1 spinner with a bee looking fly..I have caught more trout with this spinning lure then any other spinner.It's really good when June arrive's but it's still my #1 spinning lure as well as everyone I showed..give er a try and you'll see what I'm talking about..And may you next fish be a trophy! Good Luck!
Great video thanks, I got some trout fishing books, but visual aid is good to help renforce any reading. Thanks!
what a clear creek. wow
Approach the stream heading up stream Stay very low and quiet. Try to cast the lure into water that is rough or disturbed and then retrieve it past large rocks. This way the fish will not be spooked by your presence or the lure landing in the water. Wild trout are very wary.
they are indeed but i have had trout hit a lure the moment it hits the water as well..
I like Panther Martin spinners better than Mepps or Rooster Tails. I think they spin better with a slower retrieve.
bozokarl Right! My favorite trout spinner is a Panther Martin with a gold blade, black body with yellow spots. For summer steelhead, the 3/8 oz size is fantastic when ran through ruffles casting upstream. Most bites occur upstream down to even with you, rarely downstream as the spinner is effected by the current catching the line, bringing up and away from the strike zone.
They are better, but bluefox is better yet
that river looks incredible
awesome video!
This is a great show and instructional video.
great video!!!
I used to always spinner fish, and now I am attempting fly fishing for trout(:
great vid!
beautiful river and nice trout
Awesome Sharing Here ! 5 thumbs up High :-)
This dude does it right.
Great video bro 👍🤗
I was glad it wasn't my headphones! Nice video, I live in the Berkshires of Western Massachusetts,,,,, LOTS of Rainbow trout here!
I've had so much luck with the silver colored Blue Fox #3 Vibrax for trout, especially rainbows. They're about 6 bucks each but work great.
amazing vid very helpful
Wonder where this is. Looks like an awesome place
Never revive a fish by pushing it back and forth, just point it upstream and let them water flow over the gills. Also cast upstream for a more natural presentation
James Trombetti truth!
I thought the EXACT same thing. Moving it back and forth forces to much water through the gill will damage the buccal cavity and tears the gill filaments. It also doesn't allow the fish time to constrict the muscle around the operculer cavity and this tears the filaments that run along the inside. You're literally killing the fish by doing this.
This is the worst thing to do to a fish to revive them. They have a build in mechanism to trigger gill spasms so just hold the fish in the water (gently) and it will do the rest.
For an outdoor expert, this was a pretty weak video presentation.
Where did you get the compact tackle box? I'd really like to know! Thanks! Good fishing!
Nice video! very nice.. Thanks for sharing.
Great video, interesting you retrieve upstream, trout here in New Zealand will run a mile from a lure retrieved 'against' the current whereas retrieved 'towards' the fish from an upstream position will induce a strike as in my clips. There is however no hard and fast rules in this game! Some nice camera work, well done.
Top ! 🌲🎣🎥
Thanks. The underwater parts are with my GoPro camera.
Great video. I sure wish someone would do a video on how not to hook your lures on the rocks. We are beginners to trout fishing with spinning reels and went to a well known stream in upstate NY and I lost so many lures getting hung on the rocks. So frustrating :(
ill try them. i just like spoons way more than spinners.
This is how i live, nice going
Good show , thanks
Pretty sure it's just based on preference. But a disadvantage I can see casting with the current is the lure isn't in the water long enough which may mean the fish don't have time to get it.
Great video, one concern is that when you handle any fish moving the fish back and forth is forcing water back in through the gills and doesn't let the fish properly breath.
How'd you fit pliers in your little tackle box tube? I thought you packed light?
Awesome river and interesting photography.
However, I would argue against casting and going downstream, especially when using spinners. Doing the opposite is arguably more effective (with rare exceptions), because of three reasons: 1) fish are less likely to see you coz they're usually facing upstream, 2) you can manoeuver the spinner more easily around rocks, logs, etc., 3) you can control the depth of retrieval and avoid the spinner rising to the top. There's also a fourth reason: if you're wading, the silt you raise from the bottom will not affect the fishing. But this is a rocky river, so that is probably not an issue.
Of course, if that's your first or, I don't know, fifth trip to the stream and you do not plan to do it often, then maybe doing as this guy says is better, because casting upstream requires more practice to be effective.
Great video. I really like the short rod you are using, with a short tail. What kind of rod is it, could you share
Just hold fish steady facing current. Done !
Have never had a stringer; if I needed one I cut a forked twig. Prefer a small canvas bag which I can wet down for evaporative cooling or roll up and sink fish with a stone for later use. Though once a crow watched me and then waded in and robbed me in two feet of water!
where are you fishing?
it looks really nice
I replace trebles with a single hackle hook and crimp down the barb. I like using an ultralight spincast reel with a short one-hand grip solid glass rod. I release all my catch because the trout grow bigger.
What rod and reel do you use? I'm looking for a great backpacking setup. Thanks
how can you not recommend casting upstream first the top of that pool looked amazing also no mention of fishing the far bank down and across style??
whitetrouter Right...I think he is targeting novice fishermen, providing just a few basic tips
@@williamcooke6056 well theres basic river tip number one for a newbie fish up stream
Parts were shot fishing on the Stanislaus river in Calaveras County, but most was shot on a week long backpacking trip with my son through the Emigrant Wilderness.
I am usually backpacking, so I do not typically carry a basket for fish, if that is what you mean. Perhaps others find it worth the effort. Thanks for watching
What brand of collapsible pole do you use?
Switch to a single hook with flattened barb for catch and release fishing. Been twenty years since I fished California waters, but most states require it for catch and release fishing. Otherwise, Ok vid. Good info for small stream spinner fishing.
do wild trout taste better than farmed?
i cast on an angle /..in a lot of cases I'll reel diagonally across the river, depends.
i too use to only fly fish..but as i fish more and more i just simply love to spinner fish. to me there is no skill difference once you learn how to cast a fly rod effectively. when i spin fish i take the same approach as when i fly fish. spinner fishing i also cover more water and i can put more casts out quicker. also i can change the depth of my spinner by just stop reeling which is nice when fishing a deep hole. i love tying flies and fly fishing but spinner fishing is more fun to me.
what kind of collapsible rod are you using in this video?
I'd like to know where you got that compact tackle box. i cant seem to find one anywhere. please reply soon.
Hi, please where do I find this compact tackle box? I cannot find them anywhere. Thanks
nice, but moving against stream would be better, because fish is tanding with head on stream, in this case you come from behind and fish dont see you. i`m jealous of river you have in USA. in
Latvia rivers are slower and with less rocks, but still with great spots.
Real men let people fish how they like, and don't judge others for doing what they enjoy more.
Nice video beautiful water where are yo fishing at?
If you are getting snagged in the rocks, you are retrieving the lure too slowly. Try a faster winding speed.
Could you use a silver spoon? my spinners never spin.
wow
Hey what kind of mepps do you use
There's enough bad info on his video that the o.p. should consider taking it down. Back and forth will damage gills. Cast upstream so the fish don't see you. Bring a net.
What rod are you using there?
Shit caster 3000
IMO, use barbless hooks and DON'T HANDLE the trout at all. I use a small needle nose, just slip the hook. No need to "grab" the fish and handle it, gently or otherwise.
Fly fish my ass. This is how real men fish.
No cast up stream cause the trout wait for food to go past them then they turn around and slam ig
Casting up stream is better for fly fishing or when casting bait (worm, powerbait, etc) But when using lures its better to cast downstream and reel upstream because then you can use the current to help.
Sterling Opsahl no. It makes the lure vibrate and move unlike it should
I've caught fish both ways. It is a matter of what the angler finds to be the effective method to catch fish. I usually cast up stream because that allows me to fish the opposite bank, the middle of the river, and the same side of the bank in one cast. Casting down stream restricts the amount of water fished per cast. That is the difference.
What fishing pole is that
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What fishing rod and reel setup are you using for trout? because I'm 13 years old and love to fishing and be out in the wilderness. Please respond to me
Please and Thankyou.
Sincerely Matt
Mathew left a message for you on your You Tube home page.
What about in a pond
I have been told not to let water go into the fishes gill backwards so as to not "overload" the fish with oxygen which can cause it harm
I've been told you can just hold the fish steady until it's ready to swim away, you don't have to move it about.
This is a pretty good tutorial but couldn't you have went over what colors to use and what type of spinner to use. rooster tail, mepps, panther Martin etc
jerking the fish back and forth in the water (to get water in its gills) is actually bad for the fish, you want to push him forward, pull him out of the water, then repeat.
What is your Rod and Reel setup?
Personal preference but when I fish the streams I like to keep back and cast out so not to spook the trout.