What to buy INSTEAD of the new MPCs
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- Redirect your GAS is back, in it's laser focused format, one piece of gear (or in this case, a product family) gets dissected and recommended against.
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MPC One is literally the best piece of equipment I’ve ever owned. To me, the price was a steal. The thing does EVERYTHING.
He said.. If you wanna be plugged into the wall with the MPC one... He doesn't know the hack 😂😂
You no wats boss wiv the mpc one ☝️
Behringer umc1820
It’s will give you 8 ins and 10 outs
And it’s got adat where you can add. More outputs and ins to you mpc one with another old sound card , just got to pick audio Chanel and select you inputs for the adat , which start from Chanel 12 inputs , just add a mixer
Never mind the tascam 12
The umc1820 will save you big money 💰
I don't like the reverbs and delays.. The overdrives are okay, I don't know why, but the filter overdrive is the best
@@user-tv7jx9pw1q I’m not picky with that kind of stuff, I tweak til I like it..but I hear you! Some people have a really fine-tuned ear for that, you are probably one of those people 😄
@@XBASS247 really?! That sounds dope thanks for the recommendation
I really, really wanted MPC Live II, but somehow ended up purchasing Koala Sampler app instead. Having an unbelievable amount of fun with it. And a grand.
I've only heard good things!
I'm thinking about selling my Live 2 because of Koala.
Although I'm learning to use them together pretty well.
Koala with it's new updates is in my opinion the most intuitive sampler out there. So easy to create a sample based synth. It can plug right into GarageBand now too making it super powerful.
How much is the hardware to run the koala sampler?
@@PorchBass it's an app on your phone. Literally $4 or $8 to upgrade to auto-chop and step. Crazy easy and fun.
Big difference tho
Such a conscientious, thoughtful approach for helping others, while sharing inspiring features, and recommending how to save others money. Plus your upbeat delivery; it’s no wonder your number of subscribers are skyrocketing!
I really appreciate that, means a lot to read. Cheers, thanks for sticking around.
@@JorbLovesGear I wish I would of not got the MPC, it annoys the hell out of me , everything about it. But I do think iOS devs have SPOILED the hell out of me. Apps like Gadget and Nanostudio2 are out of this world smart but MPC it just feels like maybe it is aiming at windows and android users or something, it feels archaic but without any of the benefits of being old.
@@JorbLovesGear and I realllly regret not just buying the damn MPC2500 and SP404 years ago. Those two are solid gold , when I got SP404mk2 it was instant love. I am often afraid to run my old gear ever since my KP3 died, and it was due to “dry solder” the chips just fell off 😱😰😹and my cat broke the pad twice from WALKING ON IT to take shortcuts to the warm spot by the speaker.
I just bought an MPC live 2 and am now selling a bunch of old gear that it replaced. Your videos helped me decide. I love all my old gear but it’s a job to use it and keep it ruining. It’s nice have a new piece of gear that is fully supported vs having to buy and install new LCD backlights and usb floppy drives on old stuff too.
cheers, thats high praise. Really does save a ton of work
Same here. My One replaced 3 other machines.
The new MPCs are amazing and a great addition. Built in Synths alone are great. Hype, Poly, Electric, Odyssey..
@@artisans8521 of course but it's a different experience entirely. if you wanna use software, that's totally fine, but MPC's are fun as fuck to get your hands on and play tangibly
@@iwillnevergetone5 agreed, I've been using software for 20 years and I STILL miss my MPC 2000.. so, I had to get an MPC One.. I am NOT dissapointed.. 11x11 inches and requires NO peripherals.. it's just a WAY better feeling than 'playing' a laptop with a pad controller and an audio interface connected.. that's a big footprint kinda requires a desk or a workspace. the ONE on the other hand, is literally a 'laptop' music production beast.. like, all you need is an MPC in your lap and you're all set.
@@artisans8521 it’s all software, really. MPCs are just boxes that run custom software, ultimately. To make music on your PC/Mac, you’ve got to have a decent mid-range computer, which isn’t exactly free. So it’s never “just” software. Comes down to personal preference, like so many things.
@@artisans8521 It's all software after you buy the PC and audio-interface hardware you would need to simulate working on an MPC Live.
MPC Live II is my first MPC, and I don't regret the purchase, I just regret not using it every day. I like how I can just power it on, sketch a loop or two, and then be done with it.
Thank you! I love this series and hope you do continue with it!
Honest and realistic presentation, I respect that the the presenter understands that many muso's are struggling
Cheers! I am high key in that situation myself
Nothing offers better VALUE than mpc one or live. You just end up with four seperate boxes and loads of cables.
Mpc and a case, hit the road
Very true, doing so much all in one is the big plus.
Thats because MPC One and Live are workstations. They contain mostly everything you need to start and finish a song. Nothing else in the video can offer the amount of features for the price of a $799 MPC One. When it was $699, it was routinely sold tf out. During that time, people on eBay were paying up to $1000 for them.
@@dianevrules i thought the ONE was so good that I got the live 2!
The laptop is over.
Good presentation bredren 👍🏾
Thanks for sharing
Your explanations of each device is a very different slant than the youtubers who show how to use them and I find it very useful to hear even more...
Well i can tell you i bought the mpc one, as the only piece of gear that could centralise anything music making.
I spend time with it, made some music, and figured yes this is for me the device, period.
Now im even hooking up my electronic drumkit, and i can tell you "when you know what you are doing" it is even the best drum module that exists. Yes even a drum module, and it is not even sold as one. Its insane how much you can do with the Mpc lineup. Im not the guy with much money, so even owning a akai mpc is still a thing like pinch me am i dreaming. I know GAS is a thing, and i dont need tons of gear. (Had tons tho). I have the MPC One, and each time i could think what if.. well the answer is already on my desk. BOOM
Great stuff! That was always my plan for stuff live, midi cable from the drummer back to the MPC. It does solve a lot of problems, doesn't it!
I have an MPC but I will never ditch the OG Circuit, a fantastic device with a great workflow, integrates well with other gear and my kids also love to use it standalone. Very cool indeed.
"It's hard to look at these as spec sheets". Very True! I was about to buy the MPC live mk1 for $850 on sweetwater last year. I spoke to a salesman over the phone and he recommended the digitakt. The digitakt made me think differently on how I approach making music.
Digitakt is super different, would definitely re-define some workflow stuff.
I love the squid. Sequencing the tr8s and a bunch of synths. Amazing piece of gear.
Love your channel! Watching from Australia
I really enjoyed this vid. I love my One& mc101! I actually just sold my key step pro on reverb yesterday. I got my MPC One in Dec and hadn’t touched my Keystep Pro since then. Tried to incorporate it with the one but I never got in to the flow of it.
Thanks for sharing. I have mpc one. I love it
I picked up a used mpc one a few months ago. No regrets. It’s my go to daw and my most favorite instrument of all time.
Well chosen!
Great rundown of a lot of gear I’ve been pondering about lately. I got that itch that needs scratched!
Same, theres too much good stuff out there
@@JorbLovesGear indeed there is.
Hey Jorb, love your videos!
I had a squid for 8 months. and i loved it! it is really powerful and once you wrapped your head around the possibilities of this gear, you can make a lot of great music. but in the end this was my problem with it--- it was too easy :D so i sold it and bought a very complex modular sequencer
Hey thank you! That's exactly what I want to hear lol, that it was actually dope.
First video of yours I’ve watched. I’m somewhat new to MPC, but have been making and recording music in bands and on my own for longer than I’m willing to commit to in a CZcams comment.
I was stuck between buying the Roland and the MPC One, probably because I have been using the iOS versions of both the Zenbeats and the MPC PRO2. As a drumming guitar player I have a need to reinvent the way I used to record in Pro Tools by integrating newer tones with contemporary technology that has exploded over the last 10 years or so.
I know a lot more about some stuff I’ve been looking at and totally appreciate your attitude. Good stuff.
This really isn't the exact same use case as an MPC, but a Keystep Pro + Volca Sample is what I use as my "brain". Keystep pro is an amazing piece of gear.
I want to try one, but don't have a reason to get one myself. The keystep is so fast and smart, im sure the pro just ramps it all up.
Especially if you have the V1 with Pajens firmware it really rocks! It was my secondary drum machine until I got my RX-5. Recorded quite a lot with it. Volca Sample still sounds so good. Just played with it this morning!
I also really love the Beatstep pro! Especially because I can't really play keys ;)
The Volca Sample is truly a love it or hate it gear --- and not just collectively, each individual goes thru stages of love and hate with it. 😂 Bottom line -- thoroughly capable drum machine emulator that can be a groovebox and sounds amazing (and yes, I can make it play back real stereo samples with a little bit of audio file manipulation).
For some strange reason- the Guitar Center by me had the Keystep Pro for $250- brand new. The website has 'em at 500, never had a sale. They actually had a sign posted with the sale price, otherwise I would have gotten the 37. I'm kinda wondering how much the GC retail stores offer deals like this, it really is under the radar. I highly suggest people check out their synth sections on a regular basis- that's a crazy discount.
I'll say: the Squid is fantastic. Also, I used an MMT-8 in the 80s when it was first released, and it *can* overdub (MIDI), since you can set it to loop, and hit record, and recording won't stop until you untoggle "record". BUT the MMT-8 has a notorious problem with buttons losing their conductivity, so a repair is almost a certainty after nearly 40 years.
Retrokits RK008. It's a calculator sized MMT-8+. It is awesome.
I had an MPC 500 but could not get my head around the workflow, so i traded it for an Alesis SR-18 and got a Novation Circuit Tracks, which is a lot simpler to understand than the MPC. The Alesis will serve me when I get back to folk-rock from electronica.
Yeah the 500 is sort of wack. SR18 is dope, span those genres, hell yeah
@@JorbLovesGear I hope it will. Good luck with your gear!
@@JorbLovesGear depends who ya are
The recently announced Roland sp404 mkII is my ticket. I’ll be keeping my MPCs, but I’ll be selling the MC-101 to get it. Stoked!!! #GAS
My main sampler is the PO-33, It is incrediblly lo-fi but with its four tracks and 40 second sample time I can make full tracks for its price of $89!
Very cool!
@@JorbLovesGear You should get a PO-33. They really are THAT amazing. As usual, what you get out of it is what you put into it but hopefully you will find its workflow to be as intuitive as I did. (and if'n you feel inclined check out my Live Micro Jam from 2020-09-29)
Me too. The PO flow is great. Just the sample time limit sucks sometimes. Do you ever record your PO? If so do you use a tascam?
@@17valley I record either directly into my DAW or onto my iPhone recording a video using the Roland GoMixer! Even though I don’t get to to clean up the finished product as much it’s such a fast way to record and film!
@@HazeAnderson BEST way to learn how to use the po-133? Want to get some for my lil seeds..
Another comment- my first midi sequencer in 1997 was the alesis MMT8, and while it’s a great machine- it has the flaw of using Panasonic style bubble buttons that require frequent cleaning that involves taking the entire unit apart every few months and scrubbing the contacts with a pencil eraser and isopropyl. After a year of doing this every few months, I bought a computer and cubase. Pro tip- eraser trick also works on many synths like the ob8 and polysix which also use Panasonic keyboard mechanisms.
Hadn't heard the term synthluencers, amazing :D EDIT: Really enjoying your stuff man, may the sub count continue to grow
Cheers, really appreciate that. I think the term is fun, but people sort of use it to talk shit.
I'd love to co-opt it, make it just fun.
For DAWless MIDI only sequencing (and a touch of CV) I recommend the Squarp Pyramid. :)
Good rec! I spend a lot of time looking into these, couldnt bite at the price, but they are really rad.
Before I’d gotten my Live 1, I was looking into the old Alesis MMT-8 to sequence all my gear in my studio, as that was what I was mostly after. They’re so simple, yet flexible. Then I decided I wanted a sampler too, lol. Unfortunately the prices have risen quite a bit, but those new Retrokits mini versions look very promising! I’d suggest pairing one of those new units with maybe a PO-33 or Volca Sample and BAM! MPC mini on the cheap and portable.
Great recs. I haven't tried any of the pocket operators myself, but can vouch for the volca sample any day.
On the note of the sp404, I got the mk2 after owning the mpc one for a year, ive had it for a month or 2 now and I have put days worth of hours on the 404,i absolutely love it, i still dont think it would replace the mpc by any means, but it is a unique device and it's got unique effects that are hard to replicate
And the volca instruments i love! You're making me see my bad addiction to new gear lol "hey I have that, oh I got that too, oh.. Yeah I have that.. Hmm" definitely all out of money at this point
Roland mv8000/8800
Killer machine with incredible features. Absolute bargains.
Yes Sir if you can find either one.
There is also the Roland Verselab MV-1, which is a really great option and also has vocal processing and mastering.
RIGHT. I forgot about that one. Haven't heard much since release, though
@@JorbLovesGearIt essentially has the same Zen Core engine as the MC-101 but has eight tracks with one of those being a bish track with associated effects. It also does mastering. Here is a coming out of lockdown song I made on mine: czcams.com/video/x_0_Dm-Rurc/video.html
The One is amazing. It got me to the Live 2 and I have no regrets whatsoever. It’s a fantastic tool. I travel so the speaker battery etc made me spend the extra. NOW if the One lost that wall handicap 😂it’s the BEST bar none. Great video.
Currently GAS'ing on new Benson Germanium boost .. don't even need a boost! (Digging the transistor's tone tho)
Honestly for pure MIDI sequencing the Yamaha QY700 is a beast of a machine. Of course the ROMpler voices are dated but *enough* are usable. But when it comes to being the center of a hardware setup that would have a tendency to grow it's certainly something that can keep up. Nice call-out to the Squid though. That thing is very intriguing.
I build on an SY85, dump to a QY700 when I want to structure it.
Yamaha's sequencers from the 90's are just fun to use once you get their job menu structure.
Yeah, I had a qy700 in 1998, absolutely loved it. But last year I swapped a laptop running Reason for an MPC one and have found it to be my best buy for years. I don't really suffer from gas, I tend to learn my tools thoroughly. For me, right now, the mpc has everything I want excluding the bugs lol...
Gabe Miller brought me here :D Subbed!
Bless him, what a good dude.
@@JorbLovesGear i am mostly a drum & bass producer / metal guitarist but i love grooveboxes and I’m always looking for the one that will best fit my workflow :D
I was so close to buying a new MPC when I saw you control envelopes with a finger swipe. Then I hooked up a tablet to my MPC 1000 via midi. Sample edits and midi control via sysex.
Would love to hear how this works
@@lukeburchell6134 I'm using a Microsoft Surface 1, because my usb midi is bus powered and the programs from the 1990s are more robust for a wide range of vintage gear. I use sample wrench to midi extract/dump samples. Basic edititing, amazing file conversion for any sampler. For midi control, I use a light version of my DAW. Android tablets have sysex apps too. I don't have a compliant midi to test.
If you don't have the jjos I would highly recommend this operating system for the mpc 1000
@@bfh1584 I think the kids that were born the year I got JJOS, are preparing for college now.
I really enjoyed watching this a lot of info thanks 🎼
I have a white MPC 1000 and Korg Volca Sample V.1. Even though I love them both,
they are rarely played. However, my jet black Korg Electribe Sampler gets played a ton
because the sound quality, sequencing options, effects and filters are all top tier. Plus
it has a screen which for me is just essential with 16 tracks even when I am only using 8.
Sometimes its just certain gear the clicks for a certain user, I totally feel that.
Just bought an MPC Live almost a year ago, because my computer is buggy and 10 years old now, even if it is still a good PC.
It was one of the best decisions. I can plug in my piano real quick and record samples, or plug in my vinyl player. Can create melodies and beats on the way. I am working on an album right now and collaborate with other people, some of them doesn't have recoding equipment. So I put the MPC Live II, my interface, a microphone and headphones in my bagpack and have a fully portable studio.
We also used it while hanging out in the garden in summer and did some freestyle sessions.
I really love that you can use the MPC an many different ways.
Anyway, my new PC will arrive soon, since the MPC is limited in certain ways, that I can only do with VSTs and I need a new PC for video editing as well.
At the beginning it is a bit difficult to learn to use the MPC if you come from a DAW like me. But now I don't want to miss my MPC live II.
The MPC One is a great deal and can be used mobile by using an external battery and bluetooth speakers if need.
Sometimes I am thinking about buying the MPC One and sell the Live II due to the form factor.
But the built in speaker in the Live II and the battery are pretty useful. I wish there was an MPC Live II in shape of the MPC One.
Great examples of strong use cases for the Live 2, oh yeah.
It is a different workflow, but it is fast once you get there. And I agree, I like the shape of the one so much. Reminds me of my 1000!
I just subbed because he recorded this video using a handheld dynamic mic…
🙏🙏😂
Speaking about the SP404 the new version SP404 MK2 has very interesting new features that really improves the workflow! And just like you mentioned the Low-fi flava is the main reason why we buy this machine which sounds dope by the way 😉
Yeah, I just missed the announcement of the mk2. High key, I want to try one just for the 303 vinyl sim. lol
Love my sp404mk2 to death. I also have the mpc 3000 and 60 but can't put my SP down.
Not at all a cheeper alternative, but worth mentioning is the Deluge. I've replaced my Circuit Rhythm and Tracks with the Deluge and gain a limitless existence (almost). Unlimited tracks, amazing synth and sampler/recording capabilities built in, literally a daw in a box.
Lovely to hear others now talking sense regarding synth/sampler hype, GAS, and other forces which influence us but usually not helpefully. I love gear too. I make complete tracks on Roland's 2002 MC-909 (512mb RAM, 2GB memory card, USB file transfer, the only reason I need to replace it eventually is that it wastes too much time not having a mulitrack digital audio output and having to solo each part and import one at a time over S/PDIF. Even better, the Roland MV8000 / MV8800 aren't considered easy to learn but they are known as the beasts of 2007, that was a weaker time for Akai. You can plug in a mouse and VGA monitor! Really enjoyed the video
Circuit Rhythm is a great choice for a sampler/groovebox. I just got one a month ago and it's pretty much all I really wanted in a sampler. I was considering an MPC, but it was too much of a workstation for me. Rhythm is simple and quick to sample, manipulate and get an idea happening.
The same reason why i keep volca Sample with Pajen’s firmware. Easy to use, tons of fun.
First beat machine I owned was a MPC 1k and i loved it but then went the mashine mk2, then mikro, than the studio, than teenage engineering op1 which i got for like 800.00 back in the day now those things are 2,000 now it's crazy lmao than roland with MC707 and SP404
NOW, i'm bouta get the MPC one plus. With all the gear i've owned ableton with a mouse and keyboard has always been there and I love the way the One plus is standalone but the link with ableton is looking pretty sick. Super stoked seeing how a newer MPC is going to work. Good video man, never sleep on the used section, hella deals and steals out there.
Love my Squid. I seem to be the only person in the know universe to use one...
The more I use it, the more I discover, 99% of things you want to do can be done without switching modes. It's a production tool and a magical performance sequencer too.
YES confirming my hype. I think I'm going to start hounding ebay for a really cheap one, I just know I would love it.
I love the Squid. Very powerful sequencer.
It’s great for keyboard parts. I’m trying wrap my head around sequencing drums.
I've had my eye on that for a while. I know Jon Sine uses one in his studio.
I agree. I have Maschine+, got bored, bought mpcLive2, then realized i haven't even scratched the surface of the Maschine yet.
Sometimes that's all you need, a little taste of another lifestyle.
The MPC One is the best music gear purchase I've ever made. I've never been more productive in one single box. I don't feel I need the DAW anymore. In my opinion, nothing offers better value today. The only thing I miss is true portability. I'm still eyeing the MC-101 for that reason because it's so small and can be powered by AA batteries or a USB powerbank. Plus, it has a really competent synth engine with 3000+ presets.
I agree, the modern mpc really do feel like game changers
Just subbed after watching this, hope it helps you hit 30k man!
🙏🙏 Thanks!
Cool video. Truly comes down to the person behind the machine and the desired workflow. I use the 2000xl, previously had the 2000, and enjoy the workflow of making it sound greater than it is less the effects and processors. Elektron Model Samples or SP404 MkII are on my list for a modern machine.
Well said, whatever an individual connects with is gonna be the best fit.
Polyend tracker all day, it beats everything hand's down! Closely followed by the Roland MC101, and the Verse Lab.
awesome vid!! needed this
Anything for you Goob
@@JorbLovesGear THANKS BRO \m/
Still loving my MPC Live 2..
Thank you for this man! I’ve been looking for a good groovebox and this will work wonders for my wallet
Cheers! Hope this gives you some ideas!
My wallet is going to love this series
😁😁😁Exactly what I'm aiming for
I have the 3000 and the 1000. I’ve used both for years. I recently borrowed a friends One. It was a giant jump into the future and fun to use. I thought it was dope and can see why they’re so hot but as much as I thought I’d find myself having to run out and buy one…I didn’t. I can move through my 1000 so fast and get the same things done. As far as accrual beat making there wasn’t much my old 1000 couldn’t do. I can jump on reason or use my minilouge for synth and track out to my daw for mixing. I still have the money I was planning to spend on the One, But think I’m going to go with a new mixer (tascam 16) or that sp404. Great video dude.
If you are looking for a retro style mpc workflow, screen, feeling, but you don't want to miss features like nondestructive choppimg and usb drive option, go for MPC 1000 or2500 with JJOS fullversion!
I feel like JJOS gets overlooked and excluded in mpc discussions, glad that you mentioned it at least
JJos is probably the only reason I love my 1000 so much.
But at that price point, youre close if not more than the price of a used MPC One, hard to recommend it there you know?
@@JorbLovesGear I hated my mpc1000 until I got the JJ OS. It made it usable. Granted, I play Rock and Pop..and really want more time flexing than the mpc world really can do. I just got the impression that if it werent for the JJ and others Akai would just release things half baked.
Good points all around!
Cheers, thank you!
The Electribe 2 Sampler could be a good under budget option as well.
It would be nice to see a mk3 version!
electribes rock man specially the tube versions🙈🙉🙊
I remember playing with one of the old tube models in the store way back in the day wishing i could afford it, shocked at how good the tube made little shop speakers sound.They held their $500 value throughout their lifespan to. It was sort of a gimmick but it did work to bring a warmth to the sound. The new ones look like shit compared to the old one.
I have an E2S and it could be awesome, but the inability to wipe the sample bank and preset songs totally nuked it for me. The work arounds are clunky and often superficial. Worst case of buyers remorse I’ve ever felt.. I’d rather have a midi controller without any sound engine at all
@@mendedarrows9394 How cool it would be a serious updated ES 3
@@BrancoArgenta yeah, I don’t think they would even have to change much. Just allow users to clear out some stuff and double pattern length. Unfortunately buying the 2 for $600 or whatever kind of soured me on getting gear in general. It had me reconsider the role my computer plays and I’m using Ableton lite now.
Just watched your video again, and I had remembered it. I think a lot of what you say is right on but the title? Your video effectivley proves what a great value a used MPC One is (or Live OG)! All the other "alternatives" that you suggest are far older, far less capable, and many cost almost as much. You're adamant that you can't recommend the MPC 1000 instead - and I HIGHLY agree. You make a correct point few ppl know at the begining - that there isn't almost anything new under the sun as far as electronic music making in years; the same sounds, techniques, classes of electronic music instrument, etc have just been improving in value, quality, and versatility. So you get to this same conclusion at the end of the video - I agree, I suppose, if you're not someone who needs a MPC (probably the case for most beginers) a Circuit or SP-404 (for lofi especially) could be even easier and same result for half the price.
yes thank you! The title is a bit sensational, mostly to keep it the same as the rest of the series. Just a way to reframe what a piece of gear lets you do
I own a squid and I like it. There are a few annoying things in the firmware that could be addressed, but overall it is nice so far. I am only making basic use of the squid right now though, not using a lot of the fancy performance features. I record midi tracks, make pattern sets and of course track mute a lot as well.
I also use another Toraiz you missed, the SP-16 sampler, which seems to have a lot more "MPC envy" than the squid. However as it is much more expensive than the MPC, it makes sense that it's not in your video. Still, the workflow is pretty nice and it's a fun little machine to play.
I use both the squid and the sp-16 together, with the squid sequencing all my synths and the sp-16 running samples and driving my other drum machines. I don't have enough physical instruments to need more than 16 tracks, but samples eat tracks like candy. having 16 tracks for sampler+drums and separate 16 for synths means I can have everything assigned in my "standing setup" and never re-route midi per project.
the AS-1 is cool too - it's much less 303-related than your video implies. You mentioned both the 303 and the prophet and it is much more a specialized 1-voice prophet, where all the knobs are dedicated to performance parameters. Hence you need to use menu-diving (or an app) to do sound design. The thing sounds amazing and everything you want to grab when playing is there. Funny I love my AS-1 but hate my TB-3, which is the same "performance focused" concept.
really the only dud in the toraiz line is the DJS-100 (which is an sp-16 in a CDJ body) and the reason it's a dud is pioneer chose to have differentiating software limitations in both machines. making good hardware and then intentionally crippling it with software is not a customer-friendly way to do business. these things would have sold better I think if they were just different body trims with otherwise identical features.
I've got alerts on for the SP16 as well now, great stuff.
So, Squid question - how do you work around the lack of pattern chaining (or song mode or whatever you want to call it)? Or is that even an issue for you and your production workflow? (I know that not everyone’s goal is to be able to produce a fully sequenced song within a machine).
It’s a limitation for sure, but mostly for production, because the squid is more aimed at live performance. I don’t understand why PioneerDJ left this out though, as chains can also be a nice workaround for sequence length limits too. Honestly I’m lazy so I spend more time muting than preparing and using pattern sets. A buddy and I are talking about recording in the future so I may change my workflow in a way that makes me miss songs/chaining more…
@@VoodooSage I get that, though I think I’d find it limiting for live, too. But, I envision my live workflow to be similar to the production workflow, where I don’t want to play the sequencer as much as play with the sequencer, but in a more interactive manner than would be possible just using tracks, if that makes sense.
Great video! a little bird told me that the Force is getting a lot of the features of the latest MPC update (more plugins, class compliance, etc) it’s just taking them longer to get the update out.
Good details, hope they keep supporting the force.
I got the mpc1, but it had a bit of a learning curve. I also recommend the sp-404sx or a. The only sampler I'm wanting now is the 404 mk2 whenever it's released. I miss my sp-202, but I don't really need it.
I agree, it can be a big learning curve.
I've considered a 0 prior knowledge, beginner friendly MPC tutorial, because of that, I think I can step through a lot of it at a base level pretty well.
Really like this series. Watching this for the second time and really missing timestamps!
Sorry about that! next time.
Great video man! Subbed 👍🏿 I used to own the mpc ren, then the mpc studio. It's certainly not everyone's favourite, but I love the mpc 500, I can make music with it on my bed as it takes batteries. It takes a while to wrap your head around it but once you do, it's actually a beast. Albeit there's no waveforms, you're just dealing with text, but it forces you to use your ears and push through limitations. I've had it customised too, a fun little unit.
Cheers, appreciate that. Dont hear much love for the 500, glad it's workin for you.
We've all heard it, limitations breed creativity. I think knowing your gear well is the most important thing.
If u can get your hands on an akai xr20 drum machine to go with that 500 midi , they are almost an un official pair of twins!!
Love that little 500 glad to see u still use one
@@waxphantomscousin8278 That's a good shout! do you know what would also pair up nicely? an Akai Z series sampler, Z4 or the Z8 that's the sampler built in to the MPC 4000. Glad you are too, love you can take it anywhere and play around WITHOUT a laptop and if you're near a shop, going in and buying batteries to keep it running. I find the whole experience therapeutic.
I managed to get an MC707 for 600 euro and absolutely love it. Only issue is that the midi track will take up a synth track. You can use 4 tracks for midi and still have 4 tracks onboard. Bit of a trade off but it's super powerful.
Worth mentioning, absolutely. MC707 has a layout that I love in theory for a sequencing instrument. I hope I get to try one sometime!
I have an MC707 and love it too. Great internal sounds, good at sequencing and I like the clip launching concept. Weak points are the sampling length and the fact that sequencing external gear takes up a synth track but it is really fun to use
you did a great jorb there hamstray
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I appreciate this video. Trying to decide on one, coming from someone who used a Maschine MK2 but not that much a fan of NI. I liked the controller, but I think I'd prefer something truly all in one. Thinking about the One.
Cheers, appreciate that. I dont know much about the maschine stuff, but it gets tons of praise!
S2400 Sampler! = MPC Alternative I'm soon to get mine, finally + Will video! (Deluge also great, does a LOT)
Super dope options, both of em
Great channel.
Glad you enjoy it, really appreciate that!
The only thing missing on the Model:Samples (and all of their lower-level machines) a proper song mode/pattern chaining function. Yes, you can chain, but your “song” will be lost when when you power down or change projects.
A cheap alternative is a Casio Xw-pd1. Very easy to use and has some good built in synth and drum sounds. It is limited on the number of samples that can be loaded at once.
Another sleeper: Korg Electribe Sampler
16 tracks
MIDI output (sequencer and knobs)
Immediate access of many sound-shaping parameters via physical controls
Ability to chain multiple patterns together to form a pattern set
Parameter lock means of inputting settings changes on a per-step basis
Ability export a set or an entire pattern chain as audio stems, Ableton set or stereo mixdown
Ability to load samples onto the memory card or sample directly into the unit via physical audio inputs
The onboard fx are great, too.
The only major downside is that the onboard sample memory is about 25mb max, so I convert samples to mono bfore loading onto the memory card, thereby doubling sample capacity.
But the fx are so good, that the mono thing has never been an issue for me - especially if I finish mixing a track in a DAW on my laptop, with additional stereo fx processing.
Great comment, this is what I love to see. I had mentioned the electribe in my first version of my outline, but realized I have know idea as to the different models and versions.
Great stuff!
@@JorbLovesGear Great comparisons!
I traded a used Electribe I paid $150 for, for a broken MPC1000. I repaired it, upgraded it, and now for $550 (including the value of the trade) I have a new case, new pads, new screen, internal battery, and new aluminum knobs. The ONLY reason I would recommend this approach is if electronics is your thing. Otherwise my money would have been better spent on an MPC one. The MPC1000 weighs more than a One. But it’s also usable as a flail +11 (in case you’re in a rap battle). So there is that.
i've been looking into buying an electribe sampler for a while now. the prices for used one's have come down quite a bit lately so I might pull the trigger on that soon. are you able to set a sustain loop points on instrument one shot's with it?
@@LdotSdot210 I’m glad that you’ll be able to buy one at a great price!
Yes - you can set loop points or use one-shot samples.
Great content!
Cheers, thank you! I quite like this one
lots of great stuff to get the mind thinking about different options. Yes, a Juno/Jupiter Alternative would be great.
Soon! Waiting on one more thing to come out...
Great overview for 2022, do you think it's time to shoot an updated version of this? 👍
I have multiple samplers and only paid full price for my Ensoniq ASR10..Oter than that,the JamMan,the E-Mu E6400,got rid of the Yamaha A4000,and I have the Roland MV8800,all of which I got under $700 each...I do want the Tracker and the MPCX,simply because I want that ultimate brain,and I use samplers for more than making beats with records,sample packs,etc.Computers are nice and all,yet they are definitely apt to crash,glitch,or get into your pockets maintaining them.Also,instead of new software titles,you can make music with older versions,and they all make music.Point being,you do not NEED to spend a lot of money nor get something new to be successful,creative,and make great music.oH,and yes,I saw the mention of the Yamaha QY700,and yes,it's a MONSTER,and I look forward to using mine again soon..
Great concept for a post and great detail. I also appreciate the perspective you bring and the honesty when you refer off to other content providers. I learned a bunch, thank you. You will hit 5000 in no time.
Cheers Brian, I hope so!
I have a Toraiz Squid. I think it's an incredibly slept on machine. It's not perfect. Wish it had a 'cntrl all' scenario, but if you have a few pieces of hardware...It's almost a must. It's also pretty nice with controlling software like Ableton and MPC Beats. I bought mine retail about a year ago. No regrets. $400 or less is no lose.
YEAHH im turning on ebay alerts, I'm in deal hunting mode.
I have a Roland TR-6S and I can’t help but feel like people are sleeping on it a little. I got mine for 250 planetary credits from Amazon Warehouse and I loved it as soon as I switched it on. It does take some menu diving to get the most of it, spend some time on that classic 2 line of text Roland screen to tweak your kit and it really shines. Down sides are not having separate audio outs (left and right only), but that TR pattern sequencing is so natural you can thrown down beats in seconds flat. Actually good onboard effects (individual tracks and master), flanger is really handy for synthwave . Built in compressor has a ton of options to really make it sound good. SD slot for loading samples. USB powered. Full size MIDI in and out. Faders for each sample track, parameter locks for each step… I could go on and on, it’s so feature rich. Despite its tiny foot print, I never feel limited by it. Maybe I’m gushing a little bit, but it’s absolutely my baby and I feel like it’s the centrepiece of my set up that can move with me in whatever style of music I want to make at any given time and with the 16 steps, 8 pattern, fill pattern and options as to when the fill is triggered, you can easily make a full song of drums on it. Don’t let the small size deceive you!
Didn't they come out with a software editor recently? Seems like it would easy some of that, if it works for you.
I would love to try one, maybe I should get in touch with Roland..lol
@@JorbLovesGear I would loan you mine for a video if we lived on the same continent :( Roland can surely send a review sample? There are hardly any videos of it on YT. Maybe I’m just not experienced enough with hardware to know the good from the bad and it actually sucks and I’m too stupid to realise it :/ but I really do like it, it sounds solid and is really easy to use and the fader per track make changing up the pattern on the fly real easy
I know this videos two years old but you get a lot more inputs and outputs on the MPC Live 2 You also have internal storage You can put a two terabyte hard drive in it The one doesn't allow that You can only use an SD card which are very slow. You also don't have a 6-hour battery or a speaker. Truthfully if you're going to go DAWless The MPC Live 2 is The only thing that makes sense, otherwise you might as well just use your computer and buy a cheap $100 controller to automate your VSTs. Why spend $700 to have something your computer can do 300 times better if you're stuck in the studio anyway? Live 2 or use your computer I say
Just buy that MPC. 😍
Honestly, that's probably the best option.
@@JorbLovesGear I finally bit the bullet, and the sheer amount of features it can do, and do well in one box, is just staggering, and I'm STILL finding new uses for it.
I JUST GOT THE MPC STUDIO 2 . I ALWAYS USE MY COMPUTER SCREEN SO THE MKII IS PERFECT FOR ME. AND I LOVE THE TOUCH STRIP. I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STAND ALONE VERSIONS THOUGH.
Studio is dope, best of both worlds!
I don't know you, but with your invention of the quite ironic but on-point term SYNTHFLUENCERS ("...like the PROS use..."), I like you already. You have a new friend and Subscriber!!!
Greetz from Germany. Chillwaker.
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So. With Wyste, Florian, Estelle, Espen, the Composer Chrisses and a view other finally some people stand against all the Rachels, Andrews, Claudios and other Vendor Marketingtools on this Plattform ;-)
I LOVE this series, such a fresh look at getting what we need without the pain, disappointment and discomfort of G.A.S.!
One Question: Where did you get those eyeglass frames? I LOVE that style, sorry, unrelated but dying to ask.
Thank you for helping us navigate the way to smarter more affordable music making!
cheers thank you. theyre from eyebuydirect, st michel
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The new superior drummer expansion fields of rock is also a good buy if you like to play drums. I have strike multipad I use to trigger my drums with it
I’ll throw the OP-Z in the ring as well, I got mine used pretty cheap and it is really fast to use once you figure it out. The killer feature is portability, you can take it basically anywhere.
I dont feel like i see the opZ ANYWHERE, nice to hear that its getting love somewhere.
@@JorbLovesGear Red Means Recording has some great stuff on it
@@bux77 I love my opz.. it is my favorite.. but you can't do serious work on it.. I use my live retro for that.. I can get a bit done on my digitone keys too but it just can't compete either.. but sounds better..
I can definitely get behind the Circuit Tracks. Not so much the rhythm. I have other samplers. But the circuit tracks just has such an all in one vibe to it.
I need to have more hands on time with em
Love my mpc one does it all
Next episodes juno based? Yesssss
Cooking on that soon, after the holidays ys
Of all gear, it seems odd to me to redirect GAS away from an MPC One. Because it's one of the best value pieces of music equipment I own, it does so much for me, for really quite little money. And probably the thing I would pick as my desert island item (with headphones and sample library). It so good in front of a modular too and allowed me to sell a bunch of modules. The timing is great. The pads are ace, much better than the competitors. I've added a cheap behringer audio interface to expand it with tons of I/O. Honestly, an MPC and a great flexible synth like a Peak, and I'm all set. If I want to add a better reverb, I can just setup a pretty cheap great sounding GFI Skylar on a send return. With more I/O added, there so much you can do with MPC as master, with pedals, tape machines.
The original 404 can use a 1g flash card. The sx and a use sd cards which is what most people use in their mpc one.. The sp do have their limitations. I like that you use all the banks without loading. That makes it easier for live performance. By live performance I mean by myself at home or in the car waiting for appointments 🤣
Live means you're playing it, audience optional. lmao
Sp404 mkii 😉
The Korg electribe sampler is a 16 part sequencer, with sampling and built in synth engine.
Tons of recs for these, i might have to investigate...
I would add the Polyend Tracker to the list. Its features seem to be rather limited (which was kind of a deliberate design decision by Polyend -> 8 monophonic tracks, but you can swap samples / MIDI events on a per-step basis, quite limited working memory) and the Excel-like tracker workflow is not something for everyone. Having said that, after having had an MPC 1000, which I never really got used to, with the Tracker I found a (for me) perfect sequencer / groove box / production studio, which absolutely matches the way I like to compose, arrange, edit and think. + In my opinion, with regards to sound design, it has a very streamlined and powerful workflow (ADSRs and LFOs for each sample/instrument routed to volume, pitch, cutoff freq, panning etc., it has two basic synth engines [wavetable and granular], delay, reverb and tons of automation FX [rolls, sample playback modes, probability, a random fill function etc.]). Furthermore I think it has one of the best song modes. It is more geared towards introverted studio work instead of live performances, yet it has a powerful Perform mode which lets you mangle and kind of remix your finished loops / tracks on the fly.
Squid is the bomb. The one piece that constantly stayed at same place on my desk. Highly recommend
Just got the mpc live 2 used, i decided on it mainly because its a true stand alone unit. It truly needs nothing to attach to. If you dont need the speakers and battery power, the Mpc one or live are the obvious next best options. Yes the workflow is complex and confusing at times. But so is everything related to daws or synths, they all have a learning curve. Once you start importing and cutting samples you will understand that these new Mpc's really have no limitations. The older ones really didnt have many but these new ones have literally none.
All very true. I love my Live 2. The center of everything I work on
The pioneer squid is amazing i have 16 ipad amazing apps connected and its insane. Evrything with just a usb cable and totally mobile. Its very intuitive and creative